Wednesday Forum: December 20, 2017

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  1. Rae

    <blockquote

    >65 years of age should be the cut-off for compulsory retirement of currently elected politicians…

    And none should be eligible until they reach 50 years of age.

    I’m ok with 35. The same as eligibility to be President of the United States.

  2. Roger

    The aptly named The Dumb panel discuss terrorism and safety in our cities without once mentioning Islam but do manage to complain about the very visible presence of heavily armed police in London & Paris.

  3. Rabz

    26 degrees and sunny in Sydders.

    This is summer!

  4. Joe

    All exposure of obvious LIES by the state exposes the nature of the state. In a “democracy” LIES rule supreme. The whole exercise is a cynical lie to the voters to guide them to think they have the power to change things when in fact they have no power at all.

  5. Geriatric Mayfly

    TAMINA PITT: INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIANS ARE THE ORIGINAL ENGINEERS. WHY ARE THERE NOT MORE OF US?

    That bark suspension bridge across the Murray has now faded into the Dreamtime. But if oral history is to believed, it survived flood and fire and was one of the seven wonders of Terra Nullius, before the arrival of you know who.

  6. Farmer Gez

    TE, forget these soft bastards giving you their Indian horror stories.
    A great place but avoid Delhi and Old Delhi. Get out in the jungle, hills and highlands. The place has lots of wildlife and Indians are keen on parks and gardens.
    Eat at the good hotels and you will get great food and very good service.
    PS. There’s lots of good cheap boooze to be had.

  7. Stimpson J. Cat

    ‘Hey, it’s all white dudes who are running things.’

    Even Lord Keanu does not talk like this.

    You are a disgrace to Bone and Sicilian Grail.

  8. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Several Muslim massacres ago, I noted that after each new attack the media scramble to find a brown hero. And sure enough …

    Humble first responder to Flinders St rampage ….

    As much as Mr Davidraj is being shamelessly paraded as the token brown, his considered response and humility is to be commended.

  9. Baldrick

    He and his partner are livid about the obfuscation and squirrel mustering so prominent in this police investigation …

    Good to hear Delta. He must have been brought up with a good helping of common sense.

  10. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just my opinion.

    Tell us about the punishment for harming a Grey Nurse shark.

  11. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2591607, posted on December 22, 2017 at 6:32 pm
    Just my opinion. No doubt the baby boomers will think differently.

    Here’s another of your ‘nobody cares’ opinions:

    Grigory M
    #1758933, posted on August 6, 2015 at 2:38 pm
    Anyone who kills a Grey Nurse shark should be fined the maximum of $220,000, gaoled for the maximum of 2 years, and publicly ostracized.

  12. Baldrick

    Whoo, page podium 😸

  13. Stimpson J. Cat

    Very cunning plan Baldrick.

  14. Empire GTHO Phase III

    He was terrific in the Dark Knight Rises, Emp.

    Patrick Bateman in a latex muscle jumpsuit.

    Just imagine Batman with Huey Lewis blasting at 11 on the Batmobile sound system. It’s hip to be danna na na na na na na na na –

    Bale is a single application homosapien. Some people are just born that way.

  15. H B Bear

    Shouldn’t Googlerae be boiling his Aldi salmon in a bag around now? Piss off Graeoogs.

  16. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Grigory M
    #1758933, posted on August 6, 2015 at 2:38 pm
    Anyone who kills a Grey Nurse shark should be fined the maximum of $220,000, gaoled for the maximum of 2 years, and publicly ostracized.

    Sociopath.

    Good taste in classical singers, but.

    I’m basically unoffendable, but the optics of IT teabagging the gimp is edge of the envelope stuff for me.

    Tiger – where can I buy the vid?

  17. JC

    What do you mean, Emp. I don’t think Bale is a homo 🙂

  18. Boambee John

    TAMINA PITT: INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIANS ARE THE ORIGINAL ENGINEERS. WHY ARE THERE NOT MORE OF US?

    Too busy maintaining the vast structures they built in Australia before white settlement?

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Shouldn’t Googlerae be boiling his Aldi salmon in a bag around now? Piss off Graeoogs.

    Just did our escargot salmon for Christmas.
    Well, it was meant to be just cured salmon but there were a couple of snails living in the holes in the brick I used to weigh it down.
    I guess they’ll slow down even more after a day in the Kelvinator.

  20. Rae

    As a sop to those baby boomers who fall on hard times I’d be happy for the politicians compulsory retirement/eligibility age to be reduced by the same number of years as any increase by politicians in the age for age pension eligibility. On current arrangements that would mean that the oldest politician in parliament by 2023 would be a sprightly 63.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat

    Bale is a single application homosapien. Some people are just born that way.

    No he’s not.
    Bale can act.
    Empire of the Sun, The Machinist, The Prestige, Rescue Dawn.

    He just has unfortunate personal beliefs like most Hollywood Commies.

  22. Mindfree

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

  23. Herodotus

    Was it the Germans who came up with Daylight Saving?
    Adenauer or Subtrachtenauer.

  24. Delta A

    The whole exercise is a cynical lie to the voters to guide them to think they have the power to change things when in fact they have no power at all.

    So what do you see as the alternative?

  25. Bron

    Nach Vorne Spingen and Zurückfallen.

  26. Mindfree:

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    The only test pattern I know is the one the ABC shows at the close of programming to allow TV Engineers to calibrate their cameras.
    You mean there are others?

  27. Herodotus

    He would have been better in dark thrillers. Hence “baleful”.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    When I need a laugh.

  29. Empire GTHO Phase III

    What do you mean, Emp. I don’t think Bale is a homo 🙂

    Have you read American Psycho, JC.

    There’s a whole chapter devoted to Huey Lewis.

    The latex? Actors wear costumes and make up. Bale is no fruit.

  30. nemkat

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?
    Yeah, he reminds me of comments Legend Steve from Brisbane, without the ragey interludes.

  31. cynical1

    I’d wager that Molan at 67 would be fitter than the average 47 yo parliamentarian.

    I’d wager that Molan at 97 will be fitter than fat fuck Laundy.

    The bastard has more chins than a Chinese phonebook.

  32. Rae

    Was it the Germans who came up with Daylight Saving?

    Adenauer or Subtrachtenauer.

    Someone else thought of it first. But Germany and Austria-Hungary introduced it in 1916. Thirty three years before Adenauer became Chancellor as an old man.

  33. Empire GTHO Phase III

    No he’s not.
    Bale can act.
    Empire of the Sun, The Machinist, The Prestige, Rescue Dawn.

    Patrick Bateman.

  34. Delta A

    Good to hear Delta. He must have been brought up with a good helping of common sense.

    I’ll admit, I despaired for a long time, Baldy. He was so aggressively greeny/lefty – we even had one of those famous Christmas stoushes that people talk about.

    Then Cologne, the concealment, and enlightenment. He has even apologised, as I believe recovering alcoholics do, for the grief they have caused their family.

    Leftism is as destructive to young people – and to families – as any other addiction.

    (Btw, thanks for your nightly patrol, Baldrick. The troll is still here, but you keep calling out the BS, making this site safer for everyone.)

  35. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    Occasionally.

    He’s very angry and a little unhinged.

    In amongst the ra, ra, gimme, gimme is the odd useful link.

  36. Delta A

    “Does anybody here read Testpattern?”

    Same as Grigory; only by accident.

  37. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Then Cologne, the concealment, and enlightenment. He has even apologised, as I believe recovering alcoholics do, for the grief they have caused their family.

    Leftism is as destructive to young people – and to families – as any other addiction.

    Great outcome, Delta.

    I would argue leftism is a mental illness, not an addiction. A recovering leftist doesn’t have to swear off collective action of any kind the way a soak has to nix the juice.

  38. Baldrick

    As long as he’s seen the light Delta, that’s the main thing and come to those conclusions by his own processes.
    Be proud Delta, you have every right to be so.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    “Does anybody here read Testpattern?”

    Not really.
    He promised me an award for pointing out how much cash the Abernidgerees hoover up, but so far I have seen nothing.

  40. Bruce in WA

    “Lexophile” describes those that have a love for words, such as “you can
    tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish”, or “To write with a broken pencil is
    pointless.” An annual competition is held by the New York Times to see who
    can create the best original lexophile.

    This year’s winning submission is posted at the very end.

    ​……​

    No matter how much you push the envelope, it’ll still be stationery.

    If you don’t pay your exorcist you can get repossessed.

    I’m reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can’t put it down.

    I didn’t like my beard at first. Then it grew on me.

    Did you hear about the crossed-eyed teacher who lost her job because she
    couldn’t control her pupils?

    When you get a bladder infection, urine trouble.

    When chemists die, they barium.

    I stayed up all night to see where the sun went, and then it dawned on me.

    I changed my iPod’s name to Titanic. It’s syncing now.

    England has no kidney bank, but it does have a Liverpool .

    Haunted French pancakes give me the crepes.

    This girl today said she recognized me from the Vegetarians Club, but I’d
    swear I’ve never met herbivore

    I know a guy who’s addicted to drinking brake fluid, but he says he can stop
    any time.

    A thief who stole a calendar got twelve months.

    When the smog lifts in Los Angeles U.C.L.A.

    I got some batteries that were given out free of charge.

    A dentist and a manicurist married. They fought tooth and nail.

    A will is a dead giveaway.

    With her marriage, she got a new name and a dress.

    Police were summoned to a daycare center where a three-year-old was
    resisting a rest.

    Did you hear about the fellow whose entire left side was cut off? He’s all
    right now.

    A bicycle can’t stand alone; it’s just two tired.

    The guy who fell onto an upholstery machine last week is now fully
    recovered.

    He had a photographic memory but it was never fully developed.

    When she saw her first strands of gray hair she thought she’d dye.

    Acupuncture is a jab well done. That’s the point of it.

    Those who get too big for their pants will be totally exposed in the end.

    Forwarded by email. No attribution.

  41. Zyconoclast

    There are some days I’m so loose!’ Sonia Kruger says she’s surprised that Today Extra is ‘still on air’ due to her unfiltered antics… after THAT crude comment about sitting on a vibrator

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4742302/Loose-Sonia-Kruger-surprised-s-air.html

  42. Joe

    So what do you see as the alternative?

    From the English/Europeans:
    Hierarchy of roles/responsibilities – King for foreign affairs, duke for state, baron for city etc.

    From the U.S.A:
    Severely limited roles for govt. and bill of rights to allow citizens to sue govt. when govt. exceeds it’s role.

    From Greece:
    Sortition – randomly chosen citizens to fulfil govt. positions.

    From experience of current democracies:
    Fixed once off terms (10 years max) – to prevent dynasties.
    Correct age of office holders – 50-60 years of age – must live before governing.
    Shoot all lawyers.

  43. Rae

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    I agreed with him that Molan is too old at 67. And, as I said, so too is Alexander at 66+, and I agreed with Candy that he is showing it. There are likely others who are similarly too old.

  44. old bloke

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2591582, posted on December 22, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    hence European colonial powers were to be forced out of SE Asia.

    Which is why, at the time of the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu, in May, 1954, the U.S.A. was spending a billion dollars a year – 78% of the cost of the war – funding the war there. Odd way of forcing out one of the major colonial powers.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt was very anti-colonial and he wanted the European powers out of Asia when WWII came to its end. He was supportive of Ho Chi Minh taking control of Vietnam even though he was a communist as Ho’s focus was more nationalist rather than internationalist, the same with Tito. Ho was reporting on Japanese troop and shipping movements to the OSS (CIA forerunner), and Roosevelt had promised him that he would prevent the French returning when the war ended.

    Roosevelt died before the end of the war, and Harry Truman didn’t share Roosevelt’s foreign policy ideas. When the war ended, the French asked the USA for ships so they could send their troops back to Indo-China, and Truman supported their return. Truman was suceeded by Dwight D. Eisenhow and then began the “domino theory” which drained the US treasury, saw the defeat of the French, and ended with the needless loss of American, Australian, Vietnamese and other nation’s soldiers.

    All this loss would have been avoided if Truman had followed Roosevelt’s plans.

  45. Tel

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    I was thinking of a javascript module that recognizes the magic ID in the gravatar and then minimizes that comment to a thin strip with an icon to expand it out in the unlikely event that you happen to be interested. Saves time, less wear on the wheel, no doubt very environmentally friendly too. Do you think it would be popular? Worth the effort?

  46. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2591664, posted on December 22, 2017 at 7:57 pm
    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    I agreed with him …

    Well colour me surprised!

  47. Zyconoclast

    Empire of the Sun is only one of 2 Spielberg movies I really like.
    The other is Duel.

  48. Rae

    From experience of current democracies:
    Fixed once off terms (10 years max) – to prevent dynasties.
    Correct age of office holders – 50-60 years of age – must live before governing.

    House of Reps – maximum of two 3 year terms.
    Senate – one single 6 year term.
    No transfers between the Houses.
    Age of office holders – min 35, max 65.
    Australian Citizenship – 15 years min.
    No dual citizenship.

  49. Roger

    Empire of the Sun is only one of 2 Spielberg movies I really like. The other is Duel.

    Not Saving Private Ryan, z?

  50. Joe

    Rae, in case you missed it. NO house of REPS, NO Senate, NO representative so called democracy. Just closely defined roles at each hierarchy level randomly appointed for a fixed term ONCE only during the life of a citizen. And that includes King.

  51. Bruce in WA

    Not Saving Private Ryan, z?

    Shaving Ryan’s Privates?

  52. Mark A

    Baldrick
    #2591667, posted on December 22, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    Rae
    #2591664, posted on December 22, 2017 at 7:57 pm
    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    I agreed with him …

    Well colour me surprised!

    You are getting soft Baldrick, is it the Christmas spirit?

    Happy Christmas to you.

  53. Leigh Lowe

    I was thinking of a javascript module that recognizes the magic ID in the gravatar and then minimizes that comment to a thin strip with an icon to expand it out in the unlikely event that you happen to be interested. Saves time, less wear on the wheel, no doubt very environmentally friendly too. Do you think it would be popular? Worth the effort?

    I’d buy that.

  54. calli

    Men in Black and The Lovely Bones.

  55. Rae

    Rae, in case you missed it. NO house of REPS, NO Senate, NO representative so called democracy.

    Joe, I didn’t miss it. I just stated my own view on it.

  56. Delta A

    The other is Duel.

    I loved Duel. The scariest part, imo, was at the truck diner, when the tooled boots walked across the pavement to the Peterbilt: personification of the threat.

    My nephew declares it was the saddest film he’s ever seen. A truck tragic, he cried his eyes out when the rig went over the cliff.

  57. nemkat

    All this loss would have been avoided if Truman had followed Roosevelt’s plans.

    And, in breaking news, if the Queen had balls, she’d be the King.
    The dopey Frogs were paid proxies for the Yanks in IndoChina until 1954, when the cost in blood became politically unbearable for the Socialists.
    That they continued the pointless War in Algeria for another 8 years is a testament to the deathhold the Yanks have over them.

  58. zyconoclast

    Not Saving Private Ryan, z?


    It’s good, just not one of my favorites.

    I have not seen nor intend to see the kinky pr0n version suggested by

    Bruce in WA
    #2591673, posted on December 22, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    Shaving Ryan’s Privates?

  59. Slayer of Memes

    Does anybody here read Testpattern?

    Who?

  60. Joe

    Joe, I didn’t miss it. I just stated my own view on it.

    Ok. but the question was in response to my statement that “democracy” was a lie perpetrated by those in power on the rest of us. The alternative sought was to “democracy”, not a rehash of the same failed system.

  61. Rae

    At the risk of re-hashing what I said, I just stated my own view on it.

  62. The alternative sought was to “democracy”, not a rehash of the same failed system.

    The only possible alternative is a benevolent dictatorship, and that rarely works out well, either.
    Besides, it’s pointless discussing “solutions” that haven’t got a hope in hell of being implemented by/within the current set-up. Therefore the first order of business has to be breaking the stranglehold the current major parties have on the system itself, from within the existing system.

  63. Empire GTHO Phase III

    All this loss would have been avoided if Truman had followed Roosevelt’s plans.

    Roosevelt was a communist stooge.

    The Cold War was often fought timidly in the West because the free world governments were riddled with subversive leftists.

    By rights, every communist on the planet should have been terminated by about 1994.

  64. Arky

    “Does anybody here read Testpattern?”

    ..
    I don’t read any of you deadshits.
    I just scan for keywords.
    Otherwise it’s like looking for diamonds in a septic tank without scuba gear.

  65. Arky

    There are no good Spielberg movies.

  66. nemkat

    Clicked on that link to Cape Fear, and then on Edward [Chief] Platt’s picture’
    He died young, only living to 58.
    His son later confirmed that the cause of death was suicide, not a heart attack, as reported at the time.

  67. Boambee John

    Rae
    #2591669, posted on December 22, 2017 at 8:05 pm
    From experience of current democracies:
    Fixed once off terms (10 years max) – to prevent dynasties.
    Correct age of office holders – 50-60 years of age – must live before governing.

    House of Reps – maximum of two 3 year terms.
    Senate – one single 6 year term.
    No transfers between the Houses.
    Age of office holders – min 35, max 65.
    Australian Citizenship – 15 years min.
    No dual citizenship.

    I would allow an extra three year term in the Reps for ministers/PM, but no ministers from the Senate. Return it to being a genuine states/review house.

  68. Delta A

    I don’t read any of you deadshits.

    Go tidy your room, Arky. And get Stimpy out of your long drop.

  69. sdfc

    The only possible alternative is a benevolent dictatorship, and that rarely works out well

    Lee Kuan Yews are few and far between.

    House of reps terms should be fixed four year.

  70. stackja

    zyconoclast – shotgun as I remember wins.

  71. How do you go to Christmas lunch as a queer person when your family voted No in the same-sex marriage postal survey?

    Don’t stay for the full lunch, tell them you’ll mince pie later.

  72. testpattern

    Curtin’s War

    It’s 1942 and WA is preparing for Japanese invasion. Two men, Mitchell and Longmore, are training indigenous men on Liveringa for guerilla warfare but the racists don’t like it. One of the men, Cyril Longmore, had worked for Curtin on the Westralian Worker and wrote to him asking for support to stand up a Native Auxilliary in the Kimberleys. He had to send his letters via Curtin’s wife to prevent others confiscating them. Curtin agreed, but the army didn’t. Blamey and Bennett wanted Aboriginals removed instead –

    ‘The first enforced removal of Aborigines in wartime followed the early attacks on Broome in March and April 1942, when “the townsite of Broome was declared a prohibited area for natives not in lawful employment”. The town’s Aboriginal population, some 300 persons, was evacuated to Beagle Bay’

    ‘Early in June 1942, the Army’s Western Command initiated a unilateral policy of rigid control of the movement of all Aborigines in the area of WA south of Geraldton, within 160 kms of the coast’…Army policy clearly reflected the view that Aborigines were likely to be “subversive in the event of invasion” and
    should be regarded as “possible potential enemies” ‘

    ‘By mid July 1942, the Army had formulated a plan or the Evacuation and Military Control of Natives in Coastal Areas south of Northampton…an excerpt from a Military Intelligence Summary was referred by the Prime Minister, John Curtin, to the Minister for the Army. It was reported that: natives and half-castes in the Mulleva [sic], Yalgoo, Mount Magnet, Cue, Bigbell [sic], Reedy, Meekatharra, Wiluna Areas are definitely sympathetic to the enemy …. it is considered that they would be prepared to help the enemy’

    ‘the Army issued a further directive for the control of all Aborigines within an area extending some one hundred kilometers north of Geraldton, from the coast eastwards to the railway line between Mullewa, Goomalling and Northam, then as far south as a line from Clackline to Midland Junction’

    ‘March 1943, the Army formalised plans for the “Evacuation and Military Control of Natives in Coastal Area south of Northampton”. In the event of an invasion, the Army determined that all Aborigines between Northampton and Gingin “must be removed.” The plan called for their “collection and escort” by the V.D.C. assisted by Police Officers to nominated assembly points, then to be transported by rail or road to Goomalling, and finally to be “removed by rail to Malcolm” ‘

    https://westerlymag.com.au//wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WesterlyVol.40no.4.pdf

  73. stackja

    Empire OSS helped Ho. Truman faced disloyalty in DC. Stalin agents were every where. Canberra was infested too.

  74. entropy

    I don’t read any of you deadshits.
    I just scan for keywords.
    Otherwise it’s like looking for diamonds in a septic tank without scuba gear.

    that explains your facial expression Arky.

  75. stackja

    TV static picture rewriting history? Westerly blowing!

  76. testpattern

    Curtin’s War, undermined by racism cont

    ‘Army was determined to proceed with the planned evacuation…for the immediate removal of unemployed, aged and infirm natives from the coastal areas…A total of 4,082 aged, infirm, nomadic and unemployed Aborigines between Shark Bay and Derby would “be moved at once back from the coast to points at least 100 to 150 miles”, where they would be congregated at “feeding stations”. All Aborigines
    working on pastoral stations were to be registered and “not be allowed to move from [the particular] Station without a permit from the Station owner or manager…The plan also called for all employed Aborigines to be removed to the ‘feeding stations’ in the event of an enemy invasion.’

    One dissenter wrote –

    ‘there is the possibility of “a greater risk with renegade whites”. One such alleged ‘renegade white’, Henry Herbert Colvin of the Onslow District had been reported earlier by Bray to the Military Security Service but no action had been taken.’

  77. Tel

    Senate – one single 6 year term.

    Put the same 6 year limit on all Commonwealth employees as well, otherwise they will start to feel senior to the Senators.

  78. entropy

    House of Reps – maximum of two 3 year terms.
    Senate – one single 6 year term.
    No transfers between the Houses.
    Age of office holders – min 35, max 65.
    Australian Citizenship – 15 years min.
    No dual citizenship.

    I would allow an extra three year term in the Reps for ministers/PM, but no ministers from the Senate. Return it to being a genuine states/review house.

    looking good. I would probably up things to three terms in the reps, and the only other change is I would reduce the number of senators to two from each State and none from a Territory. The Senate is the State’s house of review. They review all legislation together, they do not have committees on this or that, They not go off on magical fact finding tours and investigations. They review leg. Nothing more.

    Also, any politician appointed to a committee doesn’t get any extra dosh just because they are on a committee. Their travel allowance is the same as the APS, and as for salary, it is the average annual wage. That way they will realise what their endless regulation does to ordinary people.

  79. sdfc

    sdfc – Franco?

    Getting a foreign military to bomb Spanish citizens probably excludes him.

  80. Shy Ted

    Scanning through the channels, ABC24 Planet America with the odious and unfunny Chas and John – A Very Trumpy Christmas. At least they’re not Adam or Wil and being an ABC comedian is rather like admitting you’re just not funny.

  81. testpattern

    ‘the “domino theory” ‘

    The Communist threat to SE Asia ended in 1965 with the slaughter of the PKI, the third biggest Communist Party in the world. After that there would be no dominoes. The war in Vietnam was unnecessary.

  82. sdfc

    <Curtin’s War, undermined by racism cont

    You can’t change the past. All the wallowing is holding Aboriginals back.

  83. zyconoclast

    The only possible alternative is a benevolent dictatorship, and that rarely works out well

    Lee Kuan Yews are few and far between.

    LKW was ethnic Chinese and I think at the time Signapore was 90% ethnic Chinese.
    Combine this with small geographic area, some British influence, hard work, high IQ, unashamed nationalism and no welfare state it may work.

    Here in OZ we have at most 2 of the attributes.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He was supportive of Ho Chi Minh taking control of Vietnam even though he was a communist as Ho’s focus was more nationalist rather than internationalist, the same with Tito.

    That was the great victory Ho Chi Minh had – convincing everyone that he was a Communist, in support of the Vietnamese Nationalist cause. In fact, Ho only saw one model for an independent Viet Nam – a Communist dictatorship, preferably with himself at the wheel. There was no room for any coalition of Nationalist movements – any other contenders were either betrayed to the French, or had quietly ceased to exist by 1949 or 1950.

  85. sdfc

    Nationalists like Ho, pretty much always only see one model.

  86. Top Ender

    Interesting:

    America’s drug overdose crisis accelerated last year, contributing to a historic fall in life expectancy.

    More than 42,000 Americans died of opioid overdoses alone, a 28 per cent increase on the previous year, government figures showed.

    Largely due to opioid abuse, last year was also the first time in more than 50 years that US life expectancy fell for two consecutive years. The US had not recorded two years of declining life expectancy since an influenza epidemic in 1962 and 1963. In 1993 there was a single-year drop during the Aids epidemic. Sustained drops are more usually seen in countries ravaged by war.

    The number of Americans fatally overdosing on fentanyl, a synthetic opioid 50 times more powerful than heroin, and other closely related drugs more than doubled, from 9,580 in 2015 to 19,413 last year.

    For the first time fentanyl, which is often produced in rogue laboratories in China before being trafficked through Mexico and Canada, claimed more US lives than any other drug. Deaths due to heroin were up nearly 20 per cent, at 15,500. Deaths from opiate analgesic pills such as hydrocodone and oxycodone also increased. The figures suggest that the US opioid crisis is deadlier than AIDS was at its peak in the US.

    A baby born last year in the US is expected to live about 78 years and seven months on average. An American born in 2015 was expected to live about a month longer and one born in 2014 about two months longer than that.

    The total number of drug deaths was 63,600, up from about 52,000 in 2015, a 21 per cent increase. The overall figure includes deaths from cocaine, methamphetamine and benzodiazepines.

    – The Times

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    UN criticises Aust for deporting Tamil
    Australian Associated Press7:11PM December 22, 2017
    The United Nations has criticised Australia for deporting a young Tamil man to Sri Lanka in what it says is a breach of Canberra’s international obligations.

    Bugger off busybodies ! There are 39 floors of cocktail lounges on the East River HQ, that’s your day job.

  88. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Actor Danny Masterson has been accused by an ex-girlfriend of ‘raping her repeatedly’
    Because the first time was so terrible she kept coming back for more. These nutter women should face some sanction for these blatantly false accusations.

  89. sdfc

    The UN needs to up stumps and come to Perth. See ya later NY.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The United Nations has criticised Australia for deporting a young Tamil man to Sri Lanka in what it says is a breach of Canberra’s international obligations.

    IIRC, this was the lad who claimed he would be facing interrogation, torture or death if he was deported, yet didn’t lodge his application for refugee status by the due date?

  91. Gab

    Nikki Haley is brilliant. Expertly smacks the idiots who got all upset because Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. Vid 7mins

    https://www.facebook.com/ABCNewsPolitics/videos/10156697972693812/

  92. John Constantine

    Godless commo fentanyl from China will be our strength soon enough.

    Cheap as chips, a thousand times more concentrated and powerful than Meth or heroin.

    Decimation of the rednecks with ten buck elephant tranquilizer will be greeted with a cheer from their millionaire socialists of their ABC, all wealthy enough to afford safe quality cocaine.

  93. Gab

    Don’y know why but this guy is the African version of our dear IT. his comments after reading some internet posts are priceless. https://www.facebook.com/monchichi.tara/posts/1888593761170720?notif_id=1513933368569765&notif_t=notify_me

  94. Roger

    Interesting:

    America’s drug overdose crisis accelerated last year, contributing to a historic fall in life expectancy.

    Disturbing, rather.

    And coming our way. Heroin mixed with fentanyl, aka ‘drop dead’ is already here.

  95. Monty, Please can you explain how this works?
    Use simple words & logically connected steps please – as I’m so dumb that I at first believed that a massive tax cut would have:
    Allowed me to pay mortgage quicker (so my lenders can lend more money to someone else)
    Allowed me to meet a higher payroll (there’s always a few jobs need doing around the place)
    Given me more some actual discretionary income, so I may spend on things I currently don’t, eg Hairdos, Shoes, Clothes.
    After those few things are out of the way, I’d have money to start some serious business development, which would;
    Allow me to employ more people, in both capex/construction stage and ongoing.
    Allow me to provide more amenity & choice for the general public to avail themselves of.

    You say it will not work out that way.
    I look forward to your comprehensive and logically jointed dots explaining how a massive tax cut to me would make people poorer.

    Okay Serena, I now have a bit of time to address your question with a bit more depth.

    You’re a business owner from the sounds of it. I don’t know how big your business is, but I’m assuming from what you’ve said that it’s not a mum-and-dad operation. People like you in America get a big tax cut under the GOP bill (unless they’re in blue states in which case they get screwed due to the scrapping of deductions for state taxes).

    What you’re alleging is that Reaganomics works, that the tax savings will trickle down from people like you to regular workers. But history has shown that this is just not true, especially in America. Check out the second graph from this blog post. When do you notice that the two lines for productivity and wages diverge? Yep, right about when Reagan was elected and those permanent tax cuts were passed, leading directly to the inequality that Piketty complains about. The third chart on this page looks very similar, tracking the share of income rises between the top 10% and the bottom 90% in the US.

    Supply-side economics is a sham. The money doesn’t trickle down. Maybe it used to before globalisation hit, but it certainly doesn’t now in western countries. A tax cut to you of that massive size makes you richer, and it makes other people poorer because they will pay for it now or later with increased taxes on them, or paying through the nose for services like health that the government used to subsidise.

  96. Boambee John

    The total number of drug deaths was 63,600, up from about 52,000 in 2015, a 21 per cent increase. The overall figure includes deaths from cocaine, methamphetamine and benzodiazepines.

    – The Times

    What was the number of gun deaths in the same period? How many of those gun deaths were the result of gang fights, using illegally acquired, un-registered weapons (it goes without saying that gang members generally don’t have firearms licences)?

  97. Boambee John

    And what are the equivalent numbers for Australia?

  98. stackja

    Top Ender Drugs are Darwin prizes.

  99. Boambee John

    m0nty at 2200

    (unless they’re in blue states in which case they get screwed due to the scrapping of deductions for state taxes).

    So why does this change impact so heavily on blue states?

  100. Zyconoclast

    Earlier ther were comments about term limits for politician. Fair enough.

    What about term limits for senior fat cats in the public service?
    With the pollies are in and in a predicable manner the public servants end up running the show even more than they do now.
    How do you propose we sort that out?

  101. So why does this change impact so heavily on blue states?

    Blue states have higher state taxes to fund better hospitals and schools etc. I pity the Republican fool in California, New York or Pennsylvania who wants to keep their House seat next November after voting for this bill. They will be the first to drown in the wave.

  102. sdfc

    You’re a business owner from the sounds of it.

    That’s not a bad thing Monty. Business drives employment and growth.

  103. And what are the equivalent numbers for Australia?

    If that was directed at me about real wages versus productivity, thankfully we don’t have nearly as big a problem here. We can mostly thank John Howard for that, he loved pumping up middle class welfare.

  104. Nick

    He promised me an award for pointing out how much cash the Abernidgerees hoover up, but so far I have seen nothing.

    He’s waiting for the Government to pay.

  105. That’s not a bad thing Monty. Business drives employment and growth.

    I know, I run one as well! Not a huge one, but I do employ some casuals. I don’t pretend to have any great insight on that score.

  106. sdfc

    Come on Monty. The private sector dominates employment. If business is is thriving, employment is thriving.

  107. Geriatric Mayfly

    Driver ‘rambled about Allah, ASIO’ The Oz

    Did ASIO run this past the Hunchback and the Top Cop first? Seems a bit out of order to me and straying from the narrative.

  108. Come on Monty. The private sector dominates employment. If business is is thriving, employment is thriving.

    We’re not talking about employment sdfc, we’re talking about wages.

  109. stackja

    How much ‘public service’ of today is Gough legacy?

  110. JC

    Blue states have higher state taxes to fund better hospitals and schools etc. I pity the Republican fool in California, New York or Pennsylvania who wants to keep their House seat next November after voting for this bill. They will be the first to drown in the wave.

    You’re just a lesbian, Monst.

    Please provide evidence that New York hospitals are say better than Texas or Florida hospitals where there are no state income taxes.

  111. Geriatric Mayfly

    A Festival of Carols on All Classical Portland, if you have access to Internet Radio. Totally at odds with shopping mall blare. Even the traditional carols are getting a makeover, which all makes for pleasant listening.

  112. Leo G

    Former Obama official Ben Rhodes- who manufactured a media “echo chamber” to sell the Iran deal- is now spearheading an effort to discredit a left-leaning Politico expose as a right-wing conspiracy.
    The Politico report described how the Obama administration defeated its own Drug Enforcement Agency’s operation against Hezbollah’s global narcotics syndicate.

  113. stackja

    News Corp reports earphones create deafness.

  114. Robber Baron

    Watching PM Overtime. Chas Lichardello is on. He is not only illiterate but also inarticulate. He is not witty; he is not funny; he is not intelligent. He is a crushing bore.

  115. Leo G

    News Corp reports earphones create deafness.

    And hearing aids?

  116. Robber Baron

    Can’t stomach any more of Chas. Switching to watching anything else!

  117. stackja

    GM will bookmark Portland.

  118. JC

    This is one of the worst examples of your lesbian ideology Monster.

    What you’re alleging is that Reaganomics works, that the tax savings will trickle down from people like you to regular workers. But history has shown that this is just not true, especially in America.

    No one from the right has ever described supply side economics as “trickle down”. It was always a leftist derived term meant to convey derision.

    Broadly speaking supply side economics are a parcel of policies that are meant to increase the supply of investment capital which in turn is meant to increase the capital to labor ratio. It is only through an increase in this ratio that we see a rise in living standards. Even Paul Krugman admits this.
    Let me repeat .. only through an increase in this ratio are we able to see living standards rise.

    Now STFU and stop posting the day’s Salon talking points you big fat lesbian.

  119. sdfc

    We’re not talking about employment sdfc, we’re talking about wages.

    So you are keen on higher wages rather than higher employment Monty? Real Median personal income is at record highs.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

  120. cynical1

    America’s drug overdose crisis accelerated last year, contributing to a historic fall in life expectancy.

    Meh.

    Only for the morons taking the shit.

    That’s the sort of headline I expect from climate scientists.

    This is better.

    Idiots overdose in record numbers, average IQ increases.

  121. JC

    We’re not talking about employment sdfc, we’re talking about wages.

    You can also see a rise in aggregate wages without a rise in wages. As a fat, lesbian leftist imbecile, you should be applauding a rise in aggregate wages as more people are working, which means more people are enjoying higher living standards.

  122. Please provide evidence that New York hospitals are say better than Texas or Florida hospitals where there are no state income taxes.

    Hmm you’re right JC, I should have said more hospitals, not better ones. American has some of the best hospitals in the world, if you can pay for them. Which a large chunk of America couldn’t before Obamacare with its Medicaid expansion which funded new hospitals in states that took the federal money. Red states, not so much.

  123. JC

    So you are keen on higher wages rather than higher employment Monty?

    It appears our lesbian commenter prefers the old French model, which Macron is dismantling due the it’s unworkable nature. Only hire the most productive people and the rest can go fuck themselves ending up with 30% unemployment in the youth segment.

  124. JC

    Hmm you’re right JC, I should have said more hospitals, not better ones. American has some of the best hospitals in the world, if you can pay for them. Which a large chunk of America couldn’t before Obamacare with its Medicaid expansion which funded new hospitals in states that took the federal money. Red states, not so much.

    It’s a myth, only credible to Australian leftist lesbians such as yourself that Americans cannot afford hospital. American poor are on medicare/medicade. Also, it is illegal for emergency departments to turn away people.

    Listen, you fat lesbian fruitcake. If you’re involved in say an accident or life hazard illness an ambulance picks you up and takes you to the nearest hospital for treatment. Stop creating myths.

  125. cynical1

    News Corp reports earphones create deafness.

    More climate scientists.

    News Corp reports earphones create deafness. IF YOU HAVE THEM ON TOO LOUD.

    FTFY.

    Is there a fucking uni somewhere doing a degree in “The Obvious”. Or a BSC in “Common Sense”.

  126. So you are keen on higher wages rather than higher employment Monty?

    Why not have both? That doesn’t have to be a trade off, it’s not as simple as ideology suggests.

  127. Broadly speaking supply side economics are a parcel of policies that are meant to increase the supply of investment capital which in turn is meant to increase the capital to labor ratio. It is only through an increase in this ratio that we see a rise in living standards. Even Paul Krugman admits this.
    Let me repeat .. only through an increase in this ratio are we able to see living standards rise.

    You can repeat it all you like JC, that doesn’t make it true. Productivity and technological progress are not zero inputs.

  128. It’s a myth, only credible to Australian leftist lesbians such as yourself that Americans cannot afford hospital. American poor are on medicare/medicade. Also, it is illegal for emergency departments to turn away people.

    Mm hmm JC, so you’re saying no Americans go bankrupt due to hospital bills? Oh look…

    Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year—making health care the No. 1 cause of such filings, and outpacing bankruptcies due to credit-card bills or unpaid mortgages, according to new data. And even having health insurance doesn’t buffer consumers against financial hardship.

  129. JC

    Why not have both? That doesn’t have to be a trade off, it’s not as simple as ideology suggests.

    We do generally otherwise we’d still be stuck at the same living standards as when the industrial revolution began. Legislative wage increases above the clearing rate is basically a legislative increase in unemployment. The only way to living standards is by increase the capital to labor ratio. There is no other way as Venezuela proves, you oversized lesbian.

    But the US is a great example of aggregate wages increases at a very healthy clip while real wages remained static. The reason of course are the 12 million illegals crossing the border and impacting the bottom third of the US working population.

    Here’s the St Louis Fed chart showing aggregate wages. It’s titled:

    Gross domestic income: Compensation of employees, paid: Wages and salaries

    Straight up with only a couple of blips during recessions. In other words the wages pie in the US has most certainly risen. If you would like to see a hefty increase in real wages for US citizens then deport the illegals. But of course you, Monste,r wouldn’t support that, because you’re a fat leftist lesbian.

    Are you fucking done now?

  130. Bale is a single application homosapien. Some people are just born that way.

    Bale could make the fucking Gallagher brothers blush. At least the Gallagher brothers have red-pilled somewhat.

    Personally, i’d trigger Bale to go full retard, while recording it in all it’s gory detail.Full popcorn for me.

  131. sdfc

    You need to put the link in dickhead.

  132. JC

    Bankruptcy as a result of medical bills myth was started by Pocahontas Warren in a “research paper”, which has been totally discredited.

    In any event , how can you have this situation in the age of Kenyancare?

  133. By magic hey Monty.

    Reaganomics is dumb. The theory goes like this:

    1. Goverment gives rich people more money.
    2. Rich people give poor people more money.
    3. Poor people spend the money to grow the economy.

    In reality, it goes like this:

    1. Goverment gives rich people more money.
    2. Rich people keep the money.
    3. Poor people die of treatable diseases, economy tanks.

  134. JC

    You can repeat it all you like JC, that doesn’t make it true.

    Yes it does, because it most certainly is true. It even applies on Lesbos where you come from.

    Productivity and technological progress are not zero inputs.

    Who ever said they were, you fat fruitcake?

  135. cohenite

    m0nty

    #2591780, posted on December 22, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    By magic hey Monty.

    Reaganomics is dumb. The theory goes like this:

    Even by your abysmal standards that is abysmal.

  136. notafan

    Saeed Noori latest.

    ‘might be a terrorist’

    Ranting about ASIO

    Ice addiction sill rolling around.as an excuse, which is probably exaggerated, as he looked pretty well/ healthy for someone with an addiction problem.

    Twitterati calling Miranda Devine every thing under the sun

    Apparently the real problem is her.

    Okay.

  137. JC

    sdfc
    #2591778, posted on December 22, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    You need to put the link in dickhead.

    Here I was thinking you went to charm school.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A4102C1Q027SBEA

    Happy now, doofus?

  138. Arky

    1. Goverment gives rich people more money.
    2. Rich people give poor people more money.
    3. Poor people spend the money to grow the economy.

    ..
    What’s stopping the poor people making their own wealth?

  139. sdfc

    Nice dummy Monty, but how are you going to orchestrate higher wages and higher employment?

  140. But the US is a great example of aggregate wages increases at a very healthy clip while real wages remained static. The reason of course are the 12 million illegals crossing the border and impacting the bottom third of the US working population.

    Bullshit, JC. Economic benefits from rises in per capita productivity have meant an increase in wealth above and beyond population growth, a lot of which should have gone back to labour as those workers are more productive than the equivalent worker in the 1970s. And who has gained about 100% of the wage benefits since then? The rentier rich.

  141. JC, you can’t say capital deepening is the only way to increase living standards when productivity and technological progress are also relevant inputs. Don’t be so stupid.

  142. Nice dummy Monty, but how are you going to orchestrate higher wages and higher employment?

    Clinton managed it. Obama managed it. Reagan and Dubbya brought on massive crashes and recessions following bubbles.

    Turns out you have to elect a Democrat.

  143. JC

    Bullshit, JC. Economic benefits from rises in per capita productivity have meant an increase in wealth above and beyond population growth,

    Lesbianism has fried your brains. Take another look at the St Louis Fed. Aggregate income has risen relentlessly since 1950.

    a lot of which should have gone back to labour as those workers are more productive than the equivalent worker in the 1970s.

    It most certainly has , but it much more dispersed.

    And who has gained about 100% of the wage benefits since then? The rentier rich.

    A CEO is a also a worker, you fat lesbian. S/he only has his or her brains for sale which these days we describe as human capital. What you’re arguing against is some workers not being allowed to earn as much as they can. Fuck off.

  144. JC

    JC, you can’t say capital deepening is the only way to increase living standards when productivity and technological progress are also relevant inputs. Don’t be so stupid.

    How the fuck else can you pay your workers more in wages if they aren’t more productive? Moreover, how else can you increase productivity without an increase in capital investment, which in turn is all derived from savings.

  145. Take another look at the St Louis Fed. Aggregate income has risen relentlessly since 1950.

    Yeah, and so has the population. Give me the same graph per capita using real dollars.

    What you’re arguing against is some workers not being allowed to earn as much as they can. Fuck off.

    No, what I’m arguing against is CEOs (or the executive class in general) taking 100% of the benefits of productivity from all workers. I’m not saying they deserve zero, but come on, 100%? That’s just too cheeky.

  146. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie – have you posted part 4 of your Cruise? If you have, I’ve missed it. Let me know.

    Back home, a few wines the better. Gab, Part Three had a para at the front which was Part Four. We crossed back over the ditch, slid through the heads at 6am to the Quay (sad, made me think of past years, as a young girl in from the Western suburbs, aged 17, living in Sydney’s northern harbor share flats, or alone; finding my feet in the big city). We went home in a cab, crashed for a couple of hours, and then went to a carols party in the late afternoon in a friend’s beach house. The singing was wonderful, people doing little extempore songs, often unaccompanied, themes from old Welsh, Cornish and Scottish Gaels, with harp and pipes, as well as some good old Anglican tub-thumping carols to piano accordion. For musical folk, about fifty invitees there, and yummy food. One woman said I had a sweet singing voice; ex-chorister Hairy politely said it lacked training. He won’t allow that I might be musical.

    Thanks for being interested, Gab.
    I post a travelogue because I know a few enjoy them, although many scroll.
    I really do take pleasure in writing them, bearing in mind what sort of things interest Cats and Kittehs.

    Hairy has just said he’s ordered me an Ancestry Package for Christmas (plus some other stuff). He says we can then really see what I am made of. I’ve said it all depends on the size of their database. 🙂

  147. JC

    Clinton managed it.

    The only thing Clinton did was getting his dick sucked in the oval office. All else was done by the Republican Congress putting a gun to Clinton’s head demanding he sign the legislation.

    Obama managed it.

    The economy grew pathetically despite the Kenyan created headwinds.

    Reagan and Dubbya brought on massive crashes and recessions following bubbles.

    LOl

    Turns out you have to elect a Democrat.

    Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas would be great for the US economy.

  148. JC

    Yeah, and so has the population.

    Eggactly, you fat lesbian. US population increases has been derived from two sources. Legal and illegal immigration. Americans on there own has been static to a slight loss of population. That’s eggsactly my point!

  149. How the fuck else can you pay your workers more in wages if they aren’t more productive?

    They have been consistently more productive, as shown in those graphs I linked, yet they have enjoyed almost zero of the benefits.

  150. Arky

    They have been consistently more productive,

    ..
    In a globalised economy absolute productivity is irrelevant.
    How productive are they compared to Chinese or Mexicans?

  151. US population increases has been derived from two sources. Legal and illegal immigration. Americans on there own has been static to a slight loss of population. That’s eggsactly my point!

    You have no point JC. You are trying to say that the near-150% rise in productivity since 1970 is fictional, since the population rose. But the productivity figure they all quote is per capita, you big galoot, so they have already taken the population increase into account.

    No wonder your only successful investments are in rent-sucking monopolies like Sydney Airport, you’re terrible at economics.

  152. JC

    No, what I’m arguing against is CEOs (or the executive class in general) taking 100% of the benefits of productivity from all workers. I’m not saying they deserve zero, but come on, 100%? That’s just too cheeky.

    JP Morgan earns around $US28 billion a year, roughly. It has 230,000 employees. The CEO , Jamie Dimon earns around US$30 million annually. To suggest he takes all the agreagate increases in wages over the years he’s been CEO is a truly laughable proposition. You stupid lesbian.

  153. Top Ender

    Have just finished off the season of “the Night of” on Foxtel – recommended.

    Turned on Paul Murray Live, which we copy, so it isn’t, to fast forward through the ads. Some tall thin hipster making no sense whatsoever.

    Waiting for Mrs TE to give up in disgust and go to bed so I can run a special Christmas movie: Scrooged.

    In the meantime:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgiQD56eWDk

  154. JC

    You have no point JC. You are trying to say that the near-150% rise in productivity since 1970 is fictional, since the population rose. But the productivity figure they all quote is per capita, you big galoot, so they have already taken the population increase into account.

    No wonder your only successful investments are in rent-sucking monopolies like Sydney Airport, you’re terrible at economics.

    You really are a dunce, Monster.

    Stop confusing economic terms. This is the point, so read it carefully and see if you’re able to understand it.

    The US income envelope has increased in aggregate terms steadily and relentlessly since 1950 ( as per the St Louis Fed chart). The increase in income has been spread over the population growth. We saw this during 1880 to 1920 in the US as its industrial base grew exponentially. There was a very large population increase due to large scale immigration, but real wages saw very slow increases.

  155. JP Morgan earns around $US28 billion a year, roughly. It has 230,000 employees. The CEO , Jamie Dimon earns around US$30 million annually. To suggest he takes all the agreagate increases in wages over the years he’s been CEO is a truly laughable proposition.

    Hahahaha you’re using JP Morgan as an example to refute accusations of rent-seeking economic vampirism! You really are tone deaf, JC.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender
    #2591801, posted on December 22, 2017 at 11:40 pm

    Top Ender, thanks for pointing out the reason why the Australian submarine wasn’t likely to be wrecked for scrap. Relatives of mine served on HMAS Perth, and relatives by marriage survived the sinkings of the Dutch cruisers, so I get a bit savage about what is a war grave, being ripped apart for scrap.

  157. JC

    Hahahaha you’re using JP Morgan as an example to refute accusations of rent-seeking economic vampirism! You really are tone deaf, JC.

    That’s fine. Use Coca Cola then, you imbecile. The point still applies.

  158. JC

    I like JP Morgan Monst, just I like Bank of America.

    JP is 108 bucks heading to $150 and I reckon BofA is $30 bucks heading to $45.

    Trump is God, Monst.

  159. In the meantime:

    Thanks for the gentle blast from the past, Top Ender.
    Meanwhile, back here at Chateau MV, it has been a good day.

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In the meantime, the memsahib is about to retire, so I’m putting on “Medici’s, Master’s of Florence.”

  161. Top Ender

    Sure thing Zulu, maybe you and I could operate a watch over HMAS Perth.

    The problem is that it would need 24/7 over the top of it and we would need sleep and a few days off for Scotch and relaxation two days a week.

    Plus can we get away with firing .50 cals at pirates for ever?

  162. They have been consistently more productive . . . yet they have enjoyed almost zero of the benefits.

    Didn’t an ABS Report released in the last week or so show a similar result here in Australia?

  163. The US income envelope has increased in aggregate terms steadily and relentlessly since 1950 ( as per the St Louis Fed chart). The increase in income has been spread over the population growth. We saw this during 1880 to 1920 in the US as its industrial base grew exponentially. There was a very large population increase due to large scale immigration, but real wages saw very slow increases.

    Ah yes JC, the Gilded Age. There are certainly a lot of parallels there in the corruption of the current administration. Trump is the quintessential modern robber baron, he even named his kid Barron.

    There will be a backlash, as there was after the Gilded Age when the crash happened. Such inequality can’t go on forever, eventually the tumbrils are constructed.

  164. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Even the adventurer (Lizzie) Beare insist on at least a 3 star accommodation in Africa.

    Five star, matey, five star. A standard I maintain in most other places too these days.
    I did live in Sri Lanka for a year without any stomach issues (the hygiene was very deficient where we lived, but I have excellent immunity to most bugs). Not so my then husband (not Hairy), who came down with a form of typhoid. Cholera was also endemic at that time; probably still is. I boiled everything my baby touched though, and all of his food except the breast milk. Wasn’t going to hot poultice my boobies. 🙂

  165. JC

    Ah yes JC, the Gilded Age. There are certainly a lot of parallels there in the corruption of the current administration. Trump is the quintessential modern robber baron, he even named his kid Barron.

    There will be a backlash, as there was after the Gilded Age when the crash happened. Such inequality can’t go on forever, eventually the tumbrils are constructed.

    Reduce immigration and real wages will rise.

    Sure, there can be a backlash. The voters could elect someone like Pocahontas and try to do everything she can to make the US look like Venezuela.

    By the way, Monster. How do you feel about Ven?

  166. Reduce immigration and real wages will rise.

    Reduce immigration enough and the economy will tank as demand stalls, then we’ll see what happens to employment and wages. In our current environment where antitrust is completely toothless and innovation gets squashed immediately by the BigCos, immigration is the only thing stopping a downward spiral.

    By the way, Monster. How do you feel about Ven?

    Economies built on resource extraction are always unstable. Sucks to be them, poor bastards.

  167. JC

    Economies built on resource extraction are always unstable. Sucks to be them, poor bastards.

    Australia and Norway are in depression? Who knew.

  168. Norway was smart, they built a sovereign wealth fund. Australia has come close to recession but we have got a endless cubic buttloads of resources, it usually tides us through. Imagine if our Future Fund was like Norway’s! US$1 trillion! Awesome.

  169. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sure thing Zulu, maybe you and I could operate a watch over HMAS Perth.

    I get a bit savage. One of my relatives, by marriage, was on the Dutch cruiser “De Ruyter.” With his ship torpedoed, and sinking, and his force annihilated at the battle of the Java Sea, the Dutch commander, Karel Doorman, went to his cabin and shot himself. This deserves far better then having a war grave ripped apart to supply scrap metal, FFS.

  170. OneWorldGovernment

    Monty,

    How would you ‘fix’ Australia?

  171. OneWorldGovernment

    This is at Powerline

    Those greedy, churlish capitalists are foiling Democrats again

    Remember a few years ago when Democrats and the mainstream media were moaning about how businesses were hoarding cash and buying back stock instead of investing? The economy had recovered and business was starting to boom, we were told. Yet, corporations weren’t expanding and/or investing, and this was preventing the Obama recovery from being glorious.

    Why were corporations being so churlish? For most on the left and in the mainstream media, it was down to greed. There was also the suggestion that corporations wanted to deny Obama his recovery.

    In reality, the explanation, was caution coupled with, and fueled in part by, concern about excessive government regulation and taxation. Yet, these considerations formed little or no part of the left’s narrative.

    Now, corporations seem poised to expand and invest with a vengeance. Steve noted yesterday that, with the passage of the tax reform bill, Comcast NBC Universal, Boeing, Wells Fargo, and Fifth Third Bancorp have announced major spending and investment plans on account of the bill.

    Moreover, there is good reason to believe that business expansion and investment had already increased due, in part, to the realization that the Trump administration is serious about getting rid of many burdensome regulations and passing tax reform. The spike in overall economic growth and the stock market boom likely are, in part, reflections of this phenomenon.

    Leftists are probably gnashing their teeth at the disparity between how corporations behaved under Obama and under Trump. What could possibly explain this obvious unfairness?

    It’s called incentives or, more broadly, economic reality.

  172. max

    Six on SBS, late Friday nights is excellent.

    SEAL Team Six troop leader Rip Taggart makes a questionable decision while on a mission in Afghanistan. Two years later, Rip is captured by Boko Haram and it’s up to his former SEAL Team Six brothers to locate and rescue him

  173. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2591741, posted on December 22, 2017 at 10:10 pm
    So why does this change impact so heavily on blue states?

    Blue states have higher state taxes to fund better hospitals and schools etc. I pity the Republican fool in California, New York or Pennsylvania who wants to keep their House seat next November after voting for this bill. They will be the first to drown in the wave.

    So blue states raise their state taxes, then deduct them from the Federal taxes.

    This reduces the funding available for Federal programs in all states, impacting disproportionately on the poorer states? Sounds fair!

  174. Boambee John
    #2591736, posted on December 22, 2017 at 10:04 pm
    What was the number of gun deaths in the same period?

    Approx 5,000 IIRC.
    A huge discrepancy.

  175. rickw

    Norway was smart, they built a sovereign wealth fund. Australia has come close to recession but we have got a endless cubic buttloads of resources, it usually tides us through. Imagine if our Future Fund was like Norway’s! US$1 trillion! Awesome.

    Wealth extracted from the people for pork barrelling by politicians. Sounds great.

  176. Roger

    Wealth extracted from the people for pork barrelling by politicians. Sounds great.

    Not quite…wealth derived from North Sea oil revenues, expenditure in the country’s budget limited to 4% of annual yield. Not having the fund would have led to more pork barreling and wastage.

    Nice problem to have, eh?

  177. Roger

    Predictably, VicPol have had to take back their denial of an Islamic terrorist motive.

    Are they incompetent, liars or both?

    Do they believe their lies or are they trying to deceive the public in order to protect the Muslim community from scrutiny?

    And what threats have Muslim community leaders made to VicPol about withdrawing cooperation if the “no link to terrorism, mental illness” line is not promoted?

    What is the relation of mental illness to jihadism and how safe is our Muslim refugee intake?

    Do we have curious journalists in this country prepared to ask these questions?

  178. John Constantine

    Blackamoors first emerged during the Middle Ages when Europeans first encountered the Moors, dark-skinned Muslims from North Africa and the Middle East who came to occupy various parts of the continent.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5204907/Princess-Michael-Kent-wears-racist-Blackamoor-brooch.html#ixzz522ZUSRdE
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    Came to occupy various parts of the continent.

    The caliphate that invaded, conquered, raped, pillaged and enslaved to the very Gates of Vienna is dismissed as ‘came to occupy various parts’.

    Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  179. Arky

    Do we have curious journalists in this country prepared to ask these questions?

    ..
    We have bi- curious journalists in this country preparing their arses for gerbils.
    Is that close enough?

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