Wednesday Forum: December 20, 2017

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  1. Stimpson J. Cat

    We starting getting suspicious when he employed a mentally ill Filipina as an ‘assistant.’

    Of course you did you racist.
    Mentally ill Filipinos need jobs too.
    Assistant is a great job.
    They can’t all be in call centres or prostitution.

  2. Makka

    Congratulations to Miss Makka.

    Cheers, Gab. I’m pacing myself for what looks like a 6 Rum arvo!

  3. pete m

    johanna – great comment on the smoking ban. I know some of these nurses and agree it has made their job 10 fold worse.

    makka – the only thing unsafe when m0nty is around is the 4% left on his plate.

    carpe – thanks for the LOL – too rare these days.

  4. Gab

    Make it 8, Makka so you’re having 2 for me 🙂

  5. Makka

    That’s terrific, Makka.

    Sure is Dr BG, thanks. Uni offers come out during Jan,18. Should be interesting.

  6. Gab

    2 is my limit, mind so don’t have any more for me.

  7. Geriatric Mayfly

    Now US Senate passed business tax cuts reducing US business tax rate to 21%. It’s crucial now for Australia to act swiftly, to protect investment, growth, jobs and future wage rises for 9 out of 10 working Australians working in a private sector business.

    Is he even so bold as to suggest, that those on the public teat should not even think about it? Doomed be he!

  8. cohenite

    Svensmark’s latest paper on Cosmic Rays and cloud formation. CR variation directly impacts on cloud levels. Clouds are the dominant climate factor.

  9. Makka

    My measuring goes quite wonky after 4, Gab. I’ll keep your limit in mind though.

  10. Baldrick

    Mathias Cormann‏Verified account @MathiasCormann
    Now US Senate passed business tax cuts reducing US business tax rate to 21%. It’s crucial now for Australia to act swiftly, to protect investment, growth, jobs and future wage rises for 9 out of 10 working Australians working in a private sector business.

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals. We live in a country with the highest price for fags, booze and electricity and now the Yanks have got the jump on us for business tax.
    And if all that isn’t bad enough, one look at the hoops Adani has had to jump through, why would anyone want to invest in Australia.

  11. Delta A

    Gab, we’ve missed you lately. Have you landed a fabulous new position?

  12. cohenite

    Speaking of sheilas here’s that nancy-boy trudeau and his blond bimbo climate minister dressed up as superheroes; You just have to conclude humans are some sub-species of Lemming:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159700890080134&set=a.10152345057805134.942210.884335133&type=3&theater

  13. C.L.

    Police boss interviewed on Ten News about horde of Africans destroying and terrorising sleepy Melbourne suburb last night. Police had to retreat, he said, because they were concerned about their safety. No arrests made. Total homos.

  14. OldOzzie

    Tony Abbott insists PM is worried about Newspoll losses

    Tony Abbott has taken a pointed jab at Malcolm Turnbull, accusing the Prime Minister of being “worried” about losing 30 Newspolls as old leadership tensions resurfaced just days before Christmas.

    In a frank assessment, Mr Abbott also admitted he was the “last person” Mr Turnbull wanted in his cabinet after the announcement of a sweeping ministerial reshuffle on Tuesday.

    Mr Abbott warned last week that he would respond to Mr Turnbull’s admission that he regretted citing the loss of 30 Newspolls to partly justify toppling him in September 2015.

    While apparently reluctant to “add to anyone’s woes at Christmas time”, Mr Abbott told 2GB radio: “I suppose what he (Mr Turnbull) was worried about was that he might fail the test that he himself set and obviously he now wishes that he’d never said anything about 30 Newspolls.

    “Honestly I can sympathise with him there because when I was opposition leader and then prime minister I always refused to comment on polls, I never made too much of them publicly or privately because I thought if you governed well the polls would eventually come good.”

    Mr Abbott said a more concerning comment from Mr Turnbull was that the Abbott government “lacked an economic narrative”.

    The former prime minister insisted he would have polled strongly at the 2016 election if he had been allowed to remain in the top job.

    He was more complimentary towards Mr Turnbull’s new cabinet, saying Liberal colleagues Dan Tehan and Michael Keenan would make fine ministers in the portfolios of social services and human services.

    “It’s a stronger cabinet today than it was a week ago,” Mr Abbott said.

    “The point here is that at least in the Coalition who is in the cabinet is entirely the responsibility of the Prime Minister and it’s not whether I would like to be in the cabinet, it’s whether the Prime Minister would like me to be in the cabinet and he’s made it pretty obvious ever since the election that I’m the last person he wants to see there.”

    Mr Turnbull was also pressed on 2GB over why he had no room for Mr Abbott in his frontbench but said there was more ministerial talent in the partyroom than he could include in the ministry.

    “Everybody has got people they think should be in the ministry but I always focus … that when the opportunities come for a reshuffle to bring in new and younger talent,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “It’s important to bring the new talent through, that’s part of being a Prime Minister. It’s similar to being a chief executive of a big company in the sense that you’ve got to manage talent, you’ve got to bring the younger, new people through. You’ve got to make sure you’ve got women coming through as well.”

    Mr Turnbull has lost 25 consecutive Newspolls since the July 2016 election.

  15. Geriatric Mayfly

    Police boss interviewed on Ten News about horde of Africans destroying and terrorising sleepy Melbourne suburb last night. Police had to retreat, he said, because they were concerned about their safety. No arrests made. Total homos.

    You obviously missed the latest advance in modern policing as enunciated by a chap of rank called Kelly. JB’s after a night of pillage and rapine can report their misdemeanours to the police the next day.

  16. Boambee John

    Since both m0nty and test pattern are here, I am reminded to offer two contributions for the Catictionary.

    Nazi: Anyone who disagrees with m0nty on politics.

    Racist: Anyone who disagrees with test pattern on indigenous matters.

  17. Tom

    “Total homos”.

    Correct, CL. It’s very reassuringly to Victoriastan’s citizens that the leadership of Dickhead Dan’s Keystone Kops are craven fucking cowards. I’m sure Brian of Moorabbin is embarrassed.

  18. calli

    Did Testpattern just tell us that one of his went over 99 too? Congratulations if so. You must be walking on air.

  19. testpattern

    A seal my arse. This is the southern cousin of Darwin’s Umpitji of which i’ve written before.

    ‘Hawkesbury River boasts a rich history of odd creature sightings to the point that some speculate that it is home to a ‘monster’ along the lines of Loch Ness.’

    https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/legendary_australian_river_monster_spotted

  20. zyconoclast

    Hi Australia, I’m a transgender Pakistani refugee who has always dreamed of becoming a Greenpeace lawyer and playing for the Australian cricket team. Please take me in, no rapeys, promise!

    Not quite there yet. Need to find some abo bloodline.

    Easy to do.
    Most of the Afghan cameleers in the outback were actually Pakistanis.
    The Brits hadn’t got around to redrawing the lines on the map yet.

  21. stackja

    Lady Flo Bjelke-Petersen dead at 97
    The Courier-Mail
    5 minutes ago

  22. Empire GTHO Phase III

    The DoD mislead congress because a Defence Intelligence Agency researcher incorrectly assumed there was only one comms cable to the island. Or maybe the General’s kids were enrolled at flash schools in England.

    Between May and July 2015, DISA and DIA employees researched the number and capacity of SFOCs serving the Azores. In addition DIA personnel visited Lajes Field to create a rough order of magnitude cost estimate to determine what would be needed to upgrade the Lajes Field communication infrastructure to the current standards of RAF Molesworth. The DISA and DIA personnel believed there was only one SFOC serving the Azores, and included that information in the July 2015, assessments titled “DISA Azores Telecommunication Feasibility Report,” and “DIA Azores Communication’s Cost Estimate.” However, we found that the personnel who conducted the research were not well versed in the actual SFOCs which traverse the Atlantic Ocean and did not identify that the Continent Azores Madeira (CAM) SFOC also connected the Azores to the Atlantis 2 SFOC. If, in July 2015, EUCOM, DISA,
    or DIA personnel had fully researched and validated their information with communication experts or their commercial or industry counterparts, we believe the correct number of SFOCs serving the Azores would have been identified sooner.

    The report is heavy going. There’s a trove of fraud, corruption and fuck-ups at oversight.gov for deep state scholars and Yes Minister fans.

  23. The point here is that at least in the Coalition who is in the cabinet is entirely the responsibility of the Prime Minister and it’s not whether I would like to be in the cabinet, it’s whether the Prime Minister would like me to be in the cabinet

    In other words Abbott is admitting that he, and he alone, was responsible for appointing “Friends of the ABC” Turdball as Minister for Communications, Gaia worshiping Hunt as Minister for the Environment, Sissy “Safe Schools” Pyne as Minister for Education, and “Staples” Hockey as Treasurer, amongst other monumental own goals.

    Would the “Bring Back Abbott” crowd please remember that the next time they want to tell us what a fantastic PM he would have been, if only he hadn’t been stymied by his own Cabinet.

  24. stackja

    LADY Flo Bjelke-Petersen has died at the age of 97.

    The former Queensland senator and widow of controversial former Queensland premier Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen died at 3.46pm today at Lutheran Services Orana Aged Care Service in Kingaroy, where she had lived since August 2014.

    The service said she had died after a short illness, and was surrounded by her family and loved ones including her sister Margaret Gilmour.

  25. Atoms for Peace

    Well done with ATAR. Grade 11 and 12 are like a marathon for all concerned. Now the fun part is picking a career that isn’t part of a Uni sausage machine with no job prospects at the end of it..

  26. Tel

    In other words Abbott is admitting that he, and he alone, was responsible for appointing “Friends of the ABC” Turdball as Minister for Communications, Gaia worshiping Hunt as Minister for the Environment, Sissy “Safe Schools” Pyne as Minister for Education, and “Staples” Hockey as Treasurer, amongst other monumental own goals.

    With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, there might have been better options.

    Seriously though, it’s hard to find anyone good in politics. It’s more a matter of survivors than achievers.

  27. Makka

    Their Hussein Obama has the legacy …

    … of harm done in his determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, which included derailing a law enforcement campaign targetting drug trafficking by Hezbollah, even as it funnelled cocaine into the US.

    That article is quite shocking. Obama hated the US with a passion.

  28. Now the fun part is picking a career that isn’t part of a Uni sausage machine with no job prospects at the end of it..

    Pack them off overseas for at least twelve months before they even start to think of uni.

  29. testpattern

    ‘You must be walking on air.’

    Nobody will let me. I had to drag him away from computer games to drive him down. I tried to sneak in the photo session, I brought a tie and blazer and they still kicked me out.

    WA ALP Inc don’t seem to realise if we cut edu funding at the base, the State Primary schools and GAT program which feed into the Mod selective and Independent State schools, we only harm future outcomes. Having established Independent State schools to compete with the Privates, somebody now wants to prevent them from becoming truly independent. The experiment is working, the results speak for themselves and the lesson to draw is to deliver more funds to what works not political/ideology driven cuts. Ellery is Missos so this this is Kelly not McGowan.

  30. C.L.

    Legendary Queensland rugby enforcer, prop Stan Pilecki, dead, aged 70.

  31. testpattern

    ‘Racist: Anyone who disagrees with test pattern on indigenous matters.’

    And Rohingyas.

  32. Gab

    Hi Delta, yes I’m employed again. Define “fabulous”. 🙂 It’s challenging, which I like, but just a 6 month contract and that’s fine for now as it will increase my experience in a new area. So I’m working in a Commonwealth-funded not-for-profit, in the healthcare sector (no, not NDIS). Given I’m now a semi-public servant, I expect you proles to work harder and pay more taxes so I can get my contract extended. Ta.

    In the meantime, I went for a job interview today. Didn’t do too well but I might try again.

    You can too – it’s “the most interesting job interview”, link here http://www.morehumanintelligence.com.au/

  33. Makka

    somebody now wants to prevent them from becoming truly independent.

    Unions. They have McGowan by the shorts.

  34. Farmer Gez

    Congrats testpattern on the offspring’s ATAR.
    I didn’t know you’re Asian.

  35. Pickles

    McAllisters Reserve Blended Scotch Whisky. $40/l at Woolies. It’s fast becoming my favourite and it can be yours.

    I wonder if a McAllister Reserve is the same as a Aborygynal Reserve ? Where they drove the scotch people in the clearings ?

  36. zyconoclast

    “Staples” Hockey

    Love it!

  37. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, there might have been better options.

    Fair shake of the sauce bottle Tel. He’d been in Parliament with all of them for over a decade, including four years as Leader of the Opposition. If he hadn’t sussed out who was what in all that time, he was never going to.

  38. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I tried to sneak in the photo session, I brought a tie and blazer and they still kicked me out.

    Try wearing pants next time.

  39. calli

    Good stuff, Gab. I wondered but sometimes asking can be tedious for the job hunter.

    Enjoy it while it lasts, and hopefully it leads to bigger and better.

    As your employer….get cracking, slacker!

  40. zyconoclast

    Pack them off overseas for at least twelve months before they even start to think of uni.

    And the where to list?

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Barrister Lloyd Rayney has been awarded more than $2.62 million in damages against the West Australian government in one of the largest defamation payouts in the nation’s history.

    The Oz were allowing comments, some of which were getting rather close to the knuckle. For some reason, “comments” have just gone down the memory hole…

  42. calli

    Pack them off overseas for at least twelve months before they even start to think of uni.

    I disagree.

    Let them go to uni, drop out in disgust, work their backsides off in a menial job and then get a trade.

    They can then pay their own b##### way overseas.

  43. min

    Turnbull’s primary vote is 36% did Abbott’s ever get as low as that ?

  44. Makka

    And the where to list?

    US and Switzerland.

  45. calli

    35% in Feb 2015, min.

    Chuckle. No wonder the Turnstyle recanted.

  46. Gab

    Thanks, Calli. Fortunately my boss is intent on changing the “culture” of the organisation in terms of how money is spent and increasing accountability for various budgets so that taxpayers’ money is better spent giving more value.

  47. And the where to list?

    Doesn’t really matter – anywhere where they are not likely to be in harm’s way.
    The Australian cultural cringe is as alive and well as it ever was.
    A year overseas automatically shunts a resume to the top of the pile.

    In my observed experience, three years working for a bank or insurance company in the City of London or New York, is of more value in the employment stakes back here at home, than any local degree, outside of the pure STEM areas.

  48. Robber Baron

    Climate science is to science, as Scientology is to religion.

  49. calli

    Nobody will let me.

    You need to ask permission? Seriously?

    Man up and celebrate.

  50. notafan

    Is anyone surprised that a selective entry high school topped out the list, and that most of them were boys and well, not necessarily a strong indigenous background.

    Congratulations Makka.

    16 WA students with perfect ATARs 9 at government schools were where the other 7?

  51. Rae

    They can then pay their own b##### way overseas.

    You have a problem saying “bloody”? Really?

    I worked with a Chinese Christian fellow for a while. He was always fighting brushfires, lurching from one unfinished disaster to another. When he got really angry/ frustrated the best he could do was “Bloody, bloody”.

  52. Given I’m now a semi-public servant

    Gab – stop posting and get back to work.

    On a serious note have you ever thought of working offshore?

    Plenty of opportunities in the Pacific Rim.

  53. calli

    Triggered by a surfeit of hash!

  54. Neil

    In other words Abbott is admitting that he, and he alone, was responsible for appointing “Friends of the ABC” Turdball as Minister for Communications

    I think malcolm did a good job with the NBN considering what he was handed. He stopped the rollout of FTTP and changed it to FTTN. FTTP would bankrupt the country and never be finished. We are stuck with the NBN because LABOR signed unbreakable contracts

  55. Gab

    I’d like that, Carpe, just don’t know how to scout out the jobs and determine which ones are real and fake, Any hints?

  56. Rae

    Plenty of opportunities in the Pacific Rim.

    “Robots here. I love my job”

  57. And Rohingyas.

    You mean the Arakanese Indians, AKA muslims.

  58. Anne

    Given I’m now a semi-public servant, I expect you proles to work harder and pay more taxes so I can get my contract extended. Ta.

    Gab, I’d prefer to leave out the blood sucking, carpet bagger, rent seeking middle man.

    How about we just send the money to you?

    It’d change the dynamic wouldn’t it. 🤔

  59. We are stuck with the NBN because LABOR signed unbreakable contracts

    It’s funny how these “unbreakable contracts” are only a problem for incoming LNP governments, and never seem to be an impediment to Labor governments. What am I missing?

  60. Pickles

    Stan and Flo. Two outstanding Qld and Australian front rowers. Hats off.

  61. Gab
    #2589342, posted on December 20, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    I’d like that, Carpe, just don’t know how to scout out the jobs and determine which ones are real and fake, Any hints?

    Just Google (et al) overseas recruitment agencies, (specify region of choice) and ring them personally.

    It was how i got started offshore.

  62. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2589334, posted on December 20, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    And the where to list?

    Doesn’t really matter – anywhere where they are not likely to be in harm’s way.
    The Australian cultural cringe is as alive and well as it ever was.
    A year overseas automatically shunts a resume to the top of the pile.

    In my observed experience, three years working for a bank or insurance company in the City of London or New York, is of more value in the employment stakes back here at home, than any local degree, outside of the pure STEM areas.

    You would think so wouldn’t you?
    Your experience must be old, my niece works for one of the biggest bank in the EU in Vienna, in the most dicey job, compliance, has masters in accounting works on her PHD (Oxford), when she came home last year for a holiday she asked, her old bank ANZ tentatively, for a position and they offered her a junior position. Of course she told them what to do with it.

    So much for using talent and experience. She doesn’t even bother to visit here anymore, my sister had to go there for this Christmas to see her.

  63. calli

    It’s funny how these “unbreakable contracts” are only a problem for incoming LNP governments, and never seem to be an impediment to Labor governments. What am I missing?

    Depends whether you want to part with billions for nothing or buy nothing for billions.

  64. Neil

    It’s funny how these “unbreakable contracts” are only a problem for incoming LNP governments, and never seem to be an impediment to Labor governments. What am I missing?

    Some truth in that. Howard signed contracts with Optus/Opel to bring broadband to the bush but Conroy broke the signed contracts. Opel sued the govt.

    Perhaps Coalition politicians are more law abiding and not as nasty as ALP politicians

  65. Anne

    It’s funny how these “unbreakable contracts” are only a problem for incoming LNP governments, and never seem to be an impediment to Labor governments.

    Vault, you know the game. And the name of the game is, Let’s screw the taxpayers.

    How soon before there’s a critical mass understanding that the 2 party system is a scam?

    Seriously, how soon?

  66. Rae

    There is no such thing as an “unbreakable contract”. Everything is negotiable. Everything. And it’s surprising how well discounted cash flows work in determining settlement amounts.

  67. Delta A

    yes I’m employed again.

    I recall you saying that you were on the lookout, and I had no doubt that you’d land something. Well done!
    And all the best for future advancement.

  68. Gab

    Thanks, Carpe.

    Anne – send the money to my soon to be established off-shore account 🙂

  69. notafan

    East West Link contract was broken, only cost Victorian taxpayers around 1.3 billion.

    Bargain.

    I did so enjoy my time on Cemetery West Rd again this afternoon.

    Again.

  70. It’s funny how these “unbreakable contracts” are only a problem for incoming LNP governments, and never seem to be an impediment to Labor governments. What am I missing?

    I have done construction work for both State and Federal Government in Oz about 6 years ago.

    One thing that is important when dealing with them, they think they are clever but they aren’t, they think they are building Guru’s, they are not, we screwed them in the contract stage, wrote vetting notes that were totally in our favour to maximise return, hit them with liquidated damages for contract delays because they could not respond to an RFI (Request for Information) in a timely manner and nailed them with variations during the life of the projects.

    They like to think they know what they are doing but the good operating PM’s will tear them to pieces, happy memories.

  71. Neil

    There is no such thing as an “unbreakable contract”.

    OK how much would it have cost for Turnbull to break the contracts Rudd/Conroy signed to build the NBN before they lost office in 2013?

  72. Anne

    Anne – send the money to my soon to be established off-shore account 🙂

    I was thinking car park, small bills but sure, off shore works. No problem. 👍

  73. Makka

    Best of luck in the new salt mine, Gab. Mind our pennies please!

  74. my niece works for one of the biggest bank in the EU in Vienna, in the most dicey job, compliance, has masters in accounting works on her PHD (Oxford), when she came home last year for a holiday she asked, her old bank ANZ tentatively, for a position

    What can I say. If neither you nor your niece can work out the problem, then it’s sad.

  75. Tom

    Just Google (et al) overseas recruitment agencies, (specify region of choice) and ring them personally.

    Believe in yourself, Gab. No-one else will if you don’t.

  76. calli

    they think they are clever but they aren’t, they think they are building Guru’s, they are not,

    You get them on the varies, Carpe.

  77. Gab

    So I wonder how many of you tried the job interview link I posted above? It’s for a job with ASIS. I didn’t make the first round cut but did better second time around.

  78. OK how much would it have cost for Turnbull to break the contracts Rudd/Conroy signed to build the NBN before they lost office in 2013?

    No idea, but not nearly as much as it ended up costing by proceeding.
    And who made the decision? Brandis as AG? Inquiring minds need to know.

  79. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2589365, posted on December 20, 2017 at 7:49 pm
    What can I say. If neither you nor your niece can work out the problem, then it’s sad.

    The problem is not with us MV and quite frankly I and she is happy to work where we are.

    I only tried to point out that overseas experience is not as widely appreciated in OZ as you remembered.
    How many expats are employed in top jobs here, instead of overseas imports?

  80. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Homeowner who killed a drunk burglar by stabbing him 50 times after catching him stealing his TV is cleared of murder

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5197493/Homeowner-killed-drunk-burglar-cleared-murder.html#ixzz51n1OLPc6
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Given the name of the burglar, I’m surprised the householder wasn’t sentenced to be hanged.

  81. Gab

    Seek has Pacific Rim jobs, Carpe. Here’s one that looks interesting:

    Chef de Partie
    This is a featured jobFeatured at Muri Beach Resort. This is a Full Time job

    location: Asia PacificAsia Pacificarea: PNG & Pacific IslandsPNG & Pacific Islands
    classification: Hospitality & TourismHospitality & TourismsubClassification: Chefs/CooksChefs/Cooks
    A new 4.5 star beachfront resort that is Rarotongas premier resort
    A leader in innovative and contemporary cuisine cooking
    Embracing the use of organic, healthy produce to create gourmet Pacific cuisine.
    Be a part of a team at Cook Island’s top luxury beachfront resort and keep evolving to create new and innovative menus.

    I’m not much of a chef but I can certainly partie with the best of them 😀

  82. Rae

    There is no such thing as an “unbreakable contract”.

    OK how much would it have cost for Turnbull to break the contracts Rudd/Conroy signed to build the NBN before they lost office in 2013?

    Give me access to the documents, the financials and the people and I’ll tell you.

    But why would you want to break the NBN contracts? They should have proceeded to implement FTTH Australia-wide. The problem with the NBN was (is) not the contracts. The problem there was (is) control of the project and what it was (is) expected to do. It needed (needs) a Project Manager who knew (knows) what to do with it.

  83. calli

    It wants me to update my browser, gab, so I told it to #### *off.

    No “Intelligence” job for me then.

    * avert sensitive eyes

  84. Gab

    Here’s another one:

    QA/QC, Techinical Writer, Mill Maintenace (SAP)
    Listed eight hours ago8h ago
    at TKI Limited
    This is a Full Time job

    location: Asia PacificAsia Pacificarea: PNG & Pacific IslandsPNG & Pacific Islands
    classification: Mining, Resources & EnergyMining, Resources & EnergysubClassification: Mining – Engineering & MaintenanceMining – Engineering & Maintenance

    Perhaps they need a spellchecker instead.

  85. Rae

    You get them on the varies, Carpe.

    If the client is foolish enough to allow you to. The variations game is so old. Any PM worth his/her salt knows how to prevent it being played.

  86. Gab

    Pilots – Minimum 1,000hrs TT – Various positions within fleet available.
    Listed five days ago5d ago
    at Tropicair Limited
    This is a Full Time job

    location: Asia PacificAsia Pacificarea: PNG & Pacific IslandsPNG & Pacific Islands

    I’ve had more than 1000hrs flying as a passenger – does that count? The “Various positions within fleet available” sounds dodgy as – but that could just be my naughty mind!

  87. You get them on the varies, Carpe.

    Always Calli, and on the extras too, mainly because most government building plans either didn’t or had minimal benchmarks on their drawings (Construction TBM, FFL Datum points, levels for civils, TBM for road subgrade and bitumen etc), we just used to see dollar signs.

    I do miss those contract bonuses.

  88. calli

    Haven’t worked for government for years Rae. Anything else you want to pick me up on? Go on, you know you want to.

  89. Gab

    B2 Avionics LAME

    location: Asia PacificAsia Pacificarea: PNG & Pacific IslandsPNG & Pacific Islands
    classification: EngineeringEngineeringsubClassification: Aerospace EngineeringAerospace Engineering

    I’m LAME at avionics so I’d surely get this job easily 🙂

  90. Neil

    But why would you want to break the NBN contracts? They should have proceeded to implement FTTH Australia-wide.

    Because FTTH would never be finished and bankrupt the country. Only 100,000 people were connected when Labor lost office with 12 million connections to go

  91. stackja

    2GB sound bite from Pocahontas unhappy with tax cut.

  92. Rae

    Nothing I want to “pick you up on”. Just putting in my 2 cents worth on an area where I have some expertise. I thought Carpes comments, before and after, were unsubstantiated braggadocio.

  93. Rae

    But why would you want to break the NBN contracts? They should have proceeded to implement FTTH Australia-wide.

    Because FTTH would never be finished and bankrupt the country. Only 100,000 people were connected when Labor lost office with 12 million connections to go

    How many do you reckon should have been connected in that short a time span on a new major infrastructure project. And why that many?

  94. Gab

    Just got a robocall announcing “This is a survey about Victorian politics …” at which point I hung up.

  95. If the client is foolish enough to allow you to. The variations game is so old. Any PM worth his/her salt knows how to prevent it being played.

    Rae – are you sure you want to enter my world, when the client is government their PMs aren’t worth the steam off a good turd.

  96. Mark A

    Rae
    #2589378, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    You get them on the varies, Carpe.

    If the client is foolish enough to allow you to. The variations game is so old. Any PM worth his/her salt knows how to prevent it being played.

    You haven’t got a clue.
    And Baldrick to you.

  97. Mark A

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2589390, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    If the client is foolish enough to allow you to. The variations game is so old. Any PM worth his/her salt knows how to prevent it being played.

    Rae – are you sure you want to enter my world, when the client is government their PMs aren’t worth the steam off a good turd.

    My brother is a builder, even in private contracts, there are always variations. It depends on the agreement before signing as to how to handle them.
    If you want a good relationship and recommendation you are gentle.

  98. Neil

    How many do you reckon should have been connected in that short a time span on a new major infrastructure project.

    Well more than 100,000. Give it a miss. Digging trenches for 12 million premises to give them FTTP would bankrupt the country and never be finished. And something like that should never be built by the govt anyway

  99. Rae
    #2589387, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    Nothing I want to “pick you up on”. Just putting in my 2 cents worth on an area where I have some expertise. I thought Carpes comments, before and after, were unsubstantiated braggadocio.

    Numbers tried the same shtick when the BER was in full flight, i beat him harder than a red haired stepchild.

    Share with the group your expertise and we will see who is the Senior PM and who is the wannabe.

  100. Rae

    even in private contracts, there are always variations

    I didn’t say there were not. What I said was that a PM worth his or her salt does not play the variations game.

  101. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Nothing I want to “pick you up on”. Just putting in my 2 cents worth on an area where I have some expertise. I thought Carpes comments, before and after, were unsubstantiated braggadocio.

    It’s unlike you to miss an apostrophe. Are you OK?

  102. cohenite

    Is the ABC suggesting that the Islamic state religion is not Islam

    Of course they are; apologists for islam simply say any Islamic outrage is not really islam.

  103. Rae

    Well more than 100,000.

    OK. How many more that 100,000?

    Give it a miss.

    Why? Are you out of your depth already?

  104. candy

    I think malcolm did a good job with the NBN considering what he was handed.

    I remember when Malcolm Turnbull began his portfolio work and I very interestedly listened to his plans.
    After 10 minutes I was confounded by his manner of expression and could not make heads or tails of anything he said. It seemed like waffle. I presumed it was because I’m a bit stupid and the new minister so intellectual that whatever he said was right, and TA was right in picking him. Just believe. I did.

  105. I didn’t say there were not. What I said was that a PM worth his or her salt does not play the variations game

    Really?

    A PM who doesn’t seek payment with the builders margin on top for a contract variation (that is, work outside the terms of contract and detailed scope of works), shouldn’t “play the game”, so you think the Principal Contractor should work for free.

    This is going to be interesting.

  106. Tel

    OK how much would it have cost for Turnbull to break the contracts Rudd/Conroy signed to build the NBN before they lost office in 2013?

    Nothing because neither Rudd nor Conroy signed any contracts related to the NBN.

    I keep telling you guys, at least spend a moment to understand what a Pty Limited corporation actually is before continuing.

  107. Rae

    Share with the group your expertise

    Why would I want to do that? You’re the one bragging about pulling the wool over your client’s eyes.

    I just don’t play your game. There or here.

  108. Mark A

    Rae
    #2589395, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    even in private contracts, there are always variations

    I didn’t say there were not. What I said was that a PM worth his or her salt does not play the variations game.

    I’m not sure why I bother conversing with you to be honest, you know less than a beetle about construction and such.

    Do you know what variations are?
    If I contract to build a 3 bed weatherboard on stumps and half way through he client wants a 2 story solid brick on a slab with a swimming pool, then a good project manager will persuade me to do that?

    You mate, are not only a pest but a stupid one at that.

  109. cohenite

    unsubstantiated braggadocio.

    When is braggadocio substantiated?

  110. Boambee John

    test pattern at 1859

    Having established Independent State schools to compete with the Privates, somebody now wants to prevent them from becoming truly independent.

    Teachers’ Union?

  111. RobK

    I do miss those contract bonuses.
    Cost plus(percentage) is always a handy catch all on those variations.

  112. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    Tamil refugee set to be deported from NSW

    Tom Rabe
    Australian Associated Press
    7:40PM December 20, 2017

    Refugee advocates are pleading with the Australian government to reconsider deporting a young Tamil man who says he could face torture, interrogation or death if he is sent back to Sri Lanka.

    The man, known only as Rajah, arrived in Australia by boat after fleeing persecution in Sri Lanka in 2012, according to Refugee Advice and Casework Service (RACS) lawyer Sarah Dale.

    Rajah, who is expected to be deported on Wednesday night, missed the October 1 deadline to file for refugee status and was moved from his western Sydney home to the Villawood detention facility.

    Ms Dale said Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has the power to review the man’s application and keep him in Australia.

    “He fears for his life, he fears interrogation, he fears significant harm returning to Sri Lanka,” Ms Dale told AAP at Sydney Airport just hours before her client is scheduled to be deported.

    “He is petrified of what he’s going to return home to.”

    Breaking from the Oz. I would have thought the prospect of torture, interrogation or death would have been a very powerful incentive to observe the deadline, to apply for refugee status?

  113. Rae

    I’m not sure why I bother conversing with you to be honest

    I wasn’t aware that we were “conversing”, but if you think we are then I’m not sure either. “to be honest”?, that’s a laugh. Why don’t you just sit this conversation out?

  114. Why would I want to do that? You’re the one bragging about pulling the wool over your client’s eyes.

    I just don’t play your game. There or here.

    But you said you had “some expertise” in these things, please share with us your deep insights into project management and variations.

    Then we can move on to ‘Extras’ and liquidated damages under contract terms.

    Fish, Barrel, Shotgun – this doesn’t get any easier.

  115. Mark A

    Rae
    #2589408, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    Can’t bring myself to tell you to Baldrick, just not in my vocabulary.

  116. Rae

    Fish, Barrel, Shotgun – this doesn’t get any easier.

    It surely doesn’t.. No doubt you clients would like to know that’s how you look at them

  117. RobK
    #2589406, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    “I do miss those contract bonuses.”
    Cost plus(percentage) is always a handy catch all on those variations.

    I was on the project team on a job in 2003 that did a cost plus on 1200 linear metres of curb and channel on a business park, labour alone was $65/hr per man.

    Thank fvk i was the OHS manager back then, dodged a bullet.

  118. Rae

    Kerb and channel? Wow, you do have expertise.

  119. Leo G

    Having established Independent State schools to compete with the Privates, somebody now wants to prevent them from becoming truly independent.

    It’s that “compete” that’s at the root of it- anathema it is to public sector bureaucrats.
    I was visiting at Sydney’s Westmead Hospital today and couldn’t help noticing signs justifying their pigeon eradication program. The most prominent criticism of the pigeons:
    “They compete with other birds”
    Competitive patients be warned.

  120. It surely doesn’t.. No doubt you clients would like to know that’s how you look at them

    Building contracts are set up with a specified scope of works you dim bulb, anything outside the SOW becomes a variation.

    What i think of a client is irrelevant, i build what the client has specified in the scopes, anything outside of that has a dollar value attached, plus margin.

    You really have never worked for a profit making business.

    No, mopping the floor at McDonalds doesn’t count.

  121. Infidel Tiger

    Don’t worry GrigRae, you are still our go to guy for matters on auto-erotic asphyxiation and making a skin suit.

  122. Rae
    #2589413, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    Kerb and channel? Wow, you do have expertise.

    You do realise everyone in construction and civils spells it curb.

    This must be your “some expertise” coming to the fore again.

    You wander in wearing your floppy clown shoes and fail again

  123. Stimpson J. Cat

    It surely doesn’t.. No doubt you clients would like to know that’s how you look at them

    Oh Grig you were doing so well too.
    Why do you do this to yourself?
    You never learn.

  124. Neil

    Nothing because neither Rudd nor Conroy signed any contracts related to the NBN.

    What about this?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-23/telstra-signs-11b-deal-with-nbn/2768546

    Telstra has confirmed it has signed an $11 billion deal with the NBN Co to allow the new high-speed broadband network to use Telstra’s existing network and infrastructure.

    Sounds like a signed contract to me and it was dated June/2011

  125. Peter Castieau

    Gargooly trolled me yesterday on Twitter. What a fuckwit!

    Pleased to say she was my first blocked account.

  126. Nick

    Don’t worry GrigRae, you are still our go to guy for matters on auto-erotic asphyxiation and making a skin suit.

    And in pool animal ramps. Don’t forget the animal ramp.

  127. Rae

    Next time I’m looking at a kerb and channel spec I’ll alert the client if I think you might be involved.

    You do floor cleaning at Maccas too? Not surprised. I’ve met hard to employ guys who do that between contracts.

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Gargooly trolled me yesterday on Twitter. What a fuckwit!

    I thought the Doomlord was going to have Grogarly drawn, hanged and quartered for using a carriage service to harass or annoy?

  129. Gab

    True, Zulu but if Sinclair doesn’t know that grig is back as Rae and the others, then he can hardly boot him/them.

  130. Rae
    #2589423, posted on December 20, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Next time I’m looking at a kerb and channel spec

    What was the last curb and channel ‘spec’ you looked at and what was the lead in?

    Spoon, barrel, subgrade , velocity mitigation, or straight to stormwater, now, if only stormwater what was the drainage system outflow and rate of fall?

    3 degree off Centre line on road, 2 degrees off spoon drain or maybe 5 degrees on high volume drainage from grated pits?

    All the Cats are breathlessly waiting for your deep insights and “Some Expertise”

  131. Gab

    Mind you, the pasting grigrae is copping is funny to watch.

  132. egg_

    The outgoing Attorney-General George Brandis says he was picked as Australia’s next high commissioner to the United Kingdom because he’s — politically speaking — “a big beast”.

    Not his trousers talking?

  133. Peter Castieau

    egg_ has just reminded me of Tinta’s correct description of Brandis.

    Jelly jowl …or something.

    Tinta are you lurking?

  134. Rae

    What was the last curb and channel ‘spec’ you looked at and what was the lead in?

    Curb your enthusiasm. I like to spell kerb correctly, not my fault if others can’t do so. Why are you now so keen on discussing kerb and channel specs? That is your level of expertise, isn’t it? Maybe you’d be better off driving a cab.

  135. rickw

    Pilots – Minimum 1,000hrs TT – Various positions within fleet available.
    Listed five days ago5d ago
    at Tropicair Limited
    This is a Full Time job

    location: Asia PacificAsia Pacificarea: PNG & Pacific IslandsPNG & Pacific Islands

    Surprised that Tropicair is advertising, usually there’s about 20 Safa bush pilots in the queue.

  136. pete m

    Gab
    #2589369, posted on December 20, 2017 at 7:53 pm
    So I wonder how many of you tried the job interview link I posted above? It’s for a job with ASIS. I didn’t make the first round cut but did better second time around.

    Hi Gab,

    Managed to get a “some skills we’re looking for” in first go.

    Took me a while to figure out the lift question.

    Hopeless at listening to ompeting voices though – all guesses.

    Did you get a code to give them when you apply?

    Interesting work – my brother has done a little bit similar in more uniformed way – now works privately and loving it.

    Some news:

    From yesterday I became a sole business owner.

    Corporate credit card great, except I own the corporate!!

    I get into full swing from 2 Jan – should be an interesting year trying to get enough work to justify myself continuing. I think I’ll be ok to make a living, big issue is whether it can be made worthwhile above that.

    merry xmas folks.

  137. egg_

    The Grigbot must have gone full fvcktard tonight?

  138. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    True, Zulu but if Sinclair doesn’t know that grig is back as Rae and the others, then he can hardly boot him/them.

    Indeed. I bear Grogarly no individual ill will, but, if anyone is to be torn from limb to limb “pour encourager les autres” , and lift the standard of trolling on the Cat, it may as well be him/her/it.

  139. Delta A

    Mind you, the pasting grigrae is copping is funny to watch.

    Grig the minnow against Great White Carpe.

    I hope Baldy hangs off a bit before dispatching the mouthy dweeb.

  140. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tell us some basement construction tips Grig.

  141. rickw

    The outgoing Attorney-General George Brandis says he was picked as Australia’s next high commissioner to the United Kingdom because he’s — politically speaking — “a big beast”.

    This fucking politician to diplomat shit needs to stop. Our fucking politicians need to be driving liquid waste trucks when they’re done, all they’re worthy of.

  142. Delta A

    Best of luck in your new venture, pete m.

  143. rickw

    Tell us some basement construction tips Grig.

    Step 1: How to dig it so no one knows it’s there.
    Step 2: Building a concealed entrance.
    Step 3: Sound proofing installation.
    Step 4: Drainage and waste disposal.
    Step 5: Skin drying racks and other delux accessories.

  144. egg_

    Gargooly trolled me yesterday on Twitter. What a fuckwit!

    Über* f-wit.

    *Correct spelling

  145. Curb your enthusiasm. I like to spell kerb correctly, not my fault if others can’t do so. Why are you now so keen on discussing kerb and channel specs? That is your level of expertise, isn’t it? Maybe you’d be better off driving a cab.

    Stop trying to divert away from the subject at hand and share with us your “some expertise” in contemporary drainage systems into storm water systems.

    Or would you like to move onto slab on ground or framing in metal stud?

  146. Snoopy

    Grigs didn’t do gutters. He did hospitals for the NSW health department. That’s why they always came in on budget.

  147. Makka

    Must we make the psycho the centre of attention?

  148. egg_

    Don’t worry GrigRae, you are still our go to guy for matters on auto-erotic asphyxiation and making a skin suit.

    And in pool animal ramps. Don’t forget the animal ramp.

    What about petting zoo construction techniques?

  149. rickw

    Police boss interviewed on Ten News about horde of Africans destroying and terrorising sleepy Melbourne suburb last night. Police had to retreat, he said, because they were concerned about their safety. No arrests made. Total homos.

    Didn’t the jungle bunnies just get a good lesson.

    Will take average Joe lighting them up before they learn some manners.

    Then the Police will swing into action and make one arrest.

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Must we make the psycho the centre of attention?

    It’s livening up what may have been an otherwise dull evening on the Cat.

  151. Nothing because neither Rudd nor Conroy signed any contracts related to the NBN.
    I keep telling you guys, at least spend a moment to understand what a Pty Limited corporation actually is before continuing.

    Thank you Tel. Now we move closer to the truth. The reason I made my comment about the LNP apparently not being able to break contracts that pose no problems for Labor, is because I suspect in many, possibly most cases, these LNP “unbreakable contracts” simply don’t exist. Instead they are a convenient excuse rolled out by the LNP to not do something they don’t want to do anyway.

    Case in point, Ross Ward’s Safe Schools program. When it was first introduced LNP members, led by Sissy Pyne, fell over themselves singing its praises. It wasn’t until well over a year later that people started asking how such an abomination could be approved and financed by an LNP government. Only then did we learn of alleged “unbreakable contracts”.

    Well, I went looking for them. They don’t exist. They never existed. It was BS from start to finish.

  152. Makka
    #2589448, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    Must we make the psycho the centre of attention?

    Sorry Makka but this is too much fun for me

  153. Makka
    #2589448, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    And in my defense i did give fair warning.

  154. Rae

    share with us your “some expertise” in contemporary drainage systems into storm water systems.

    God no. I ‘d like to hear more about how you cheat your client on kerb and channel works, or toilet cleaning at Maccas, or even cab driving (if you’ve actually graduated to that level). Forewarned is forearmed, I want to protect my clients from you.

  155. Makka

    Oh ok. If you must make a complete fool of the scaly creep then go ahead. Have at him.

  156. Neil

    Thank you Tel. Now we move closer to the truth. The reason I made my comment about the LNP apparently not being able to break contracts t

    I posted this earlier

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-23/telstra-signs-11b-deal-with-nbn/2768546

    Telstra has confirmed it has signed an $11 billion deal with the NBN Co to allow the new high-speed broadband network to use Telstra’s existing network and infrastructure.

    Tel said nothing was signed. Well that is wrong. NBN Contracts were signed in 2011. They might not have been unbreakable but i am sure Telstra would have sued if the signed contracts were broken

  157. Only then did we learn of alleged “unbreakable contracts”.

    Well, I went looking for them. They don’t exist. They never existed. It was BS from start to finish.

    MV – Government contracts are written by people in government who have no idea what they are doing.

    An “unbreakable” government contract is a licence to print money.

  158. Oh come on

    OCO, you have been watching too much Murder She Wrote. Get your hand off it, Jessica Fletcher is not a GILF. These things don’t wrap up in 48 minutes in real life.

    This is not going to go the way you think.

    Poor m0nty really is that heavily invested. He just can’t let go.

    And now that Keith Olbermann’s quit, where is m0nty going to get his cues from? Resist. Remove. Peace.

  159. Nick

    I want to protect my clients from you.

    Lake Macquarie Cemetery and crematorium ?

  160. Gab

    Pete m

    Yes I got a code.

    Best wishes and congratulations on your new venture. Hope it’s a smashing success for you!

  161. Makka

    I want to protect my clients from you.

    Big demand for skin lampshades, Gaggory?

  162. Geriatric Mayfly

    Forgotten the author already; but just recently, we had the language exquisitely abused by some loser, which these days would be accepted as a “text” and put alongside the great contributors to the English canon. Well, here’s another one, with some freshly minted prose, bound to stand the test of time and the most profound analysis in academe. Author: Eminem. (Who he? Ed.)

    But dog how the f*ck is Ivanka Trump in the trunk of my car.
    Gotta get to the bottom of it to try to solve it.
    Must go above and beyond, ’cause it’s incumbent upon.
    Me, ’cause I feel somewhat responsible for the dumb little blonde girl.
    That motherf*ckin’ baton twirler that got dumped in the pond.
    And f*ck Ann Coulter with a Klan poster.
    With a lamp post, door handle, shutter.
    A d*mn bolt cutter, a sandal, a can opener, a candle, rubber.
    Piano, a flannel, sucker, some hand soap, butter.
    A banjo and manhole cover.

  163. Rae

    An “unbreakable” government contract is a licence to print money.

    As I said earlier, there is no such thing as an “unbreakable contract”. That applies to both government and private contracts.

  164. God no. I ‘d like to hear more about how you cheat your client on kerb and channel works, or toilet cleaning at Maccas, or even cab driving (if you’ve actually graduated to that level). Forewarned is forearmed, I want to protect my clients from you.

    Stop trying to divert away from the questions i posed and share with us your “some expertise” in these matters.

    All the cats are breathlessly waiting for your deep and probing, professional insights.

    Go on, i must be an amateur compared to a construction master such as yourself.

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Woman who married her lesbian lover overseas last year is ‘ordered to pay back $6,600 to Centrelink after it retroactively acknowleded her same-sex marriage and cut her benefits’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5197241/Centrelink-makes-woman-pay-overseas-lesbian-wedding.html#ixzz51nRcM4eC
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Be careful of what you wish for, cherubs.

  166. Infidel Tiger

    Who hurt you GrigRae?

    How did you get this way?

  167. Oh come on

    Perth Mod’s recipe for success isn’t exactly rocket science. Be the only school in the state permitted to exclude all but the most capable students and – surprise, surprise! – Perth Mod does well in the ATAR rankings.

  168. Tel said nothing was signed. Well that is wrong. NBN Contracts were signed in 2011. They might not have been unbreakable but i am sure Telstra would have sued if the signed contracts were broken

    Neil, all I can suggest is that you go back and read what Tel wrote, then re-read the very first line of the news item you linked to. Who knows, maybe the penny will drop the second time around.

  169. As I said earlier, there is no such thing as an “unbreakable contract”. That applies to both government and private contracts.

    WOW – Rae is now not just a master of building but also a CA and CM. You must be doing a side gig as a quantity assessor, which would explain your “some expertise”.

  170. Makka

    Woman who married her lesbian lover overseas last year is ‘ordered to pay back $6,600 to Centrelink after it retroactively acknowleded her same-sex marriage and cut her benefits’

    Priceless!

    Now we’ll see the twitter head explosion linking the cost of the survey with this clawback.

  171. calli

    Good luck, Pete m. It’s all-consuming as you build it up, but worth it.

  172. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2589468, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    Who hurt you GrigRae?

    How did you get this way?

    According to Netflix’s Mindhunter, at least one of the parents is unbelievably cruel. Then the neighbors pets go missing and it graduates from there.

    As an aside, I read that total Netflix subscription in the US is bigger than the entire cable subscription market now.

  173. Neil

    Neil, all I can suggest is that you go back and read what Tel wrote, then re-read the very first line of the news item you linked to. Who knows, maybe the penny will drop the second time around.

    Rather than playing games just spit out what U want to say because i have no idea what U are talking about

  174. Mark A

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2589472, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    Don’t waste your time on the fool, I made a mistake tonight, for the first time, as I though he was serious.
    Big mistake, will never happen again.

  175. Rae

    Good luck, Pete m. It’s all-consuming as you build it up, but worth it.

    You want to help Carpe out. He seems to have got lost with “how to diddle the client” on kerb and channel work.

  176. Rae

    Big mistake, will never happen again.

    Sure. Till next time. You were smart to take my advice and sit the “conversation” out tonight. Probably what you should make a habit of.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    There’s no doubt that GrigRae was molested by both his parents, but particularly his mother. She was an unusually cruel woman. She hated GrigRae.

  178. Mark A
    #2589477, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2589472, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    Don’t waste your time on the fool, I made a mistake tonight, for the first time, as I though he was serious.
    Big mistake, will never happen again.

    I can’t help myself, when fools enter my sphere of expertise and pretend they know what they are talking about, it will always end in tears for them.

    The same as if a fool enters the world of specific knowledge that many of the cats have, either finance, trading, farming, logistics, guns etc.

    It will end in tears.

  179. C.L.

    I kid you not …
    Was listening to science chat on ABC FM when panelist argued that some things are axiomatic and science communicators had to go out hard insisting that alternative views are baseless.
    OK.
    His examples?
    Evolution/creationism, Brexit and the election of Donald Trump.
    Like I said, I kid you not.

  180. Rae
    #2589478, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    Good luck, Pete m. It’s all-consuming as you build it up, but worth it.

    You want to help Carpe out. He seems to have got lost with “how to diddle the client” on kerb and channel work.

    GrigRae – can you point on the doll where the bad person touched you, mmmkay

  181. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    You wander in wearing your floppy clown shoes and fail again

    He thinks he can hide behind the big red nose.

  182. Rae

    my sphere of expertise

    You still haven’t demonstrated what that is. Unless you are talking about dudding your client on kerb and channel works.

  183. Boambee John

    Neil at 2147

    Rather than playing games just spit out what U want to say because i have no idea what U are talking about

    I haven’t read your link, but from the title, I suspect that MV is hinting that the contract was between Telstra and NBN Co, two (allegedly) commercial companies, not between the government and NBN Co.

  184. Rae
    #2589480, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    Big mistake, will never happen again.

    Sure. Till next time. You were smart to take my advice and sit the “conversation” out tonight. Probably what you should make a habit of.

    GrigRae – Does Uncle Daddy still make you play the doctor game with Cousin Sister?

  185. egg_

    Rae
    #2589480, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    Lisbeth ‘no-phone’ from Tamworth just called – thought she saw someone do a drive by in an XR6 Falcon wearing a skin suit.

  186. Rae
    #2589487, posted on December 20, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    my sphere of expertise

    You still haven’t demonstrated what that is. Unless you are talking about dudding your client on kerb and channel works.

    Does being in the foetal position in the corner embarrass you after a beotch slapping.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    GrigRae – can you point on the doll where the bad person touched you, mmmkay

    Curse you, Carpe – that’s a large Abelour you owe me.

  188. I haven’t read your link, but from the title, I suspect that MV is hinting that the contract was between Telstra and NBN Co, two (allegedly) commercial companies, not between the government and NBN Co.

    Not “hinting” John. As Tel pointed out earlier, the broadband network is being implemented by a propriety limited company, the NBN Co. ALL contracts are between the various parties (like Telstra in the linked article), and the NBN Co. The government has no liability at all.

  189. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The same as if a fool enters the world of specific knowledge that many of the cats have, either finance, trading, farming, logistics, guns etc.

    I’m going from memory, but wasn’t Grogarly trying to give Mater a lesson on weapons handling, at the time the coroner’s report was released into the Lindt Cafe siege?

  190. egg_

    They should have proceeded to implement FTTH Australia-wide.

    “Don’t argue with an idiot”.

    Even Aunty is belatedly saying universal FTTH was a bad idea, as high bandwidth uptake wasn’t high enough to sustain its rollout.

  191. Neil

    I haven’t read your link, but from the title, I suspect that MV is hinting that the contract was between Telstra and NBN Co, two (allegedly) commercial companies, not between the government and NBN Co.

    Thanks for that. But Tel said nothing was signed therefore there was no contract to break. There was signed contracts

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-23/telstra-signs-11b-deal-with-nbn/2768546

    Would it have been possible for Abbott/Turnbull to break a $11B signed contract without being sued?

  192. JC

    Ronery loves pile-ons. It’s in his DNA.

  193. Rae

    I’m going from memory, but wasn’t Grogarly trying to give Mater a lesson on weapons handling, at the time the coroner’s report was released into the Lindt Cafe siege?

    Don’t know. I wasn’t here. What does that have to do with Carpes bragging about his ability to dud his clients on kerb and channel works?

  194. egg_

    the broadband network is being implemented by a propriety limited company, the NBN Co. ALL contracts are between the various parties (like Telstra in the linked article), and the NBN Co. The government has no liability at all.

    Precisely.

    With the prior HFC* rollout, Telstra was to pass 4 Million homes, but only passed 1 Million and paid out Leightons.

    /Old News.

    *DOCSIS Engineer here.

  195. Would it have been possible for Abbott/Turnbull to break a $11B signed contract without being sued?

    Okay, I give up.
    Time for some more Midsomer Murders.

  196. Don’t know. I wasn’t here. What does that have to do with Carpes bragging about his ability to dud his clients on kerb and channel works?

    I am now living in GrigRaes head and renting out the spare rooms to Trump supporters.

  197. Boambee John

    MV at 2202

    Not “hinting” John.

    I was trying, obviously too hard, to be subtle.

  198. Neil

    Okay, I give up.

    Mate i am not that smart. Just spit it out. I thought NBNCo was a govt company. It should not be difficult. Instead of giving up just say in one sentence what U want to say instead of playing games

  199. Rae

    DOCSIS Engineer here.

    You’re over-qualified for kerb and channel work. But then, everybody is except Carpe.

  200. feelthebern

    I find I lose hours sometimes watching Gordon Ramsay kitchen nightmares on youtube.
    Geez he goes to some places where the staff just don’t give a shit.

  201. feelthebern

    Peta Credlin just said on PM Live that Trump was her winner of the year.
    Bramston said the frog with the mother-wife was his winner of the year.

  202. egg_

    You’re over-qualified for kerb and channel work.

    Aren’t I on teh ‘Elf Dept IT Helpdesk?

  203. squawkbox

    ##18701##squawkboxbot##[email protected]@grigory-rae-dipshitdetect!catallaxyfiles.com#agent.trollfind##!#!

    Fuck off Grigory

  204. Instead of giving up just say in one sentence what U want to say instead of playing games

    The NBNCo is a separate legal entity from “the government”, and “the government” has no liability with regards to legal obligations, including debts and contracts, incurred by the NBNCo.

  205. pete m

    thanks ladies for your well wishes!

  206. Neil

    The NBNCo is a separate legal entity from “the government”, and “the government” has no liability with regards to legal obligations, including debts and contracts, incurred by the NBNCo.

    Separate? Then how come the Commonwealth has given NBNCo billions of dollars? And are U seriously saying Abbott/Turnbull could have broken signed contracts between NBNCo and Telstra plus Optus with no legal problems?

  207. Mike of Marion

    If your car catches fire

  208. Rae

    Carpe, been fun chatting but gotta go. Couple of investment properties to inspect tomoz. Both nearing practical completion. C U.

  209. And now that Keith Olbermann’s quit, where is m0nty going to get his cues from?

    Pfft, it’s all about Ben Shapiro, whoever he is.

  210. JC

    Egg

    There is an implicit government guarantee otherwise the NBN would not be able to operate or borrow at the rates it does.

    If it came to a crunch, the government would step in. Everyone knows that.

  211. Then how come the Commonwealth has given NBNCo billions of dollars?

    Interesting question many of us have asked ourselves. Only a politician could answer though.

    And are U seriously saying Abbott/Turnbull could have broken signed contracts between NBNCo and Telstra plus Optus with no legal problems?

    Basically, yes.

  212. Infidel Tiger

    Carpe, been fun chatting but gotta go. Couple of investment properties to inspect tomoz. Both nearing practical completion. C U.

    LEGO is fun, but it’s not really an investment when you take them out of the box, sweetheart.

  213. JC

    God luck in the new enterprise, Pete m. I’m sure you’ll make it work.

  214. Snoopy

    Crime of the century. Wombinoo station in NQ had a permit to clear 2700 Ha of bush over prescribed areas. The Queensland government maintains 132 Ha was cleared outside the prescribed area.

    No reports I have found claim that more than 2700 Ha were cleared. Owners ordered to pay fine and replant 132 Ha. One can only imagine the replanting conditions when natural regrowth would do just as well or better.

  215. Do we have the stats for who played more golf in the first year?

    This stat is hard to quantify because Trump often tries to hide his rounds, but the Trump Golf Count site puts the likely margin at 65 to 24.

  216. Rae

    Never really been a LEGO person, sweetheart. Nite.

  217. Snoopy

    Hey Monty, how’s that Trump idiot’s stupid tax plan going?

  218. Neil

    Basically, yes.

    I find that hard to believe. So NBNCo signed contracts worth billions with Telstra and Optus and Abbott/Turnbull could have broken them with no problems? I think U are insane

  219. Snoopy

    Is Obamacare without a mandate worth a pinch of shit?

    Apart from a nuclear Iran and the destruction of Libya, Syria and Yemen just what comprises Obama’s legacy?

  220. Snoopy

    It’s amazing! Trump can play golf for a year and simultaneously obliterate Obama’s legacy built over 8 years.

  221. Fisky

    Obamacare will fall apart without the mandate. It’s done. GOP will return to healthcare sometime before 2020 if nothing else because premiums will go up when people pull out of the exchanges.

  222. Hey Monty, how’s that Trump idiot’s stupid tax plan going?

    Democrats are on course to take over the House and the Senate next year in a massive wave election because the tax bill is the least popular bill in the history of federal American government.

    It’s as elitist rentier bill written by swamp creatures to vote themselves massive loopholes. So, pretty much standard mainstream “conservative” policy these days.

  223. I think U are insane

    Do you have the slightest concept of what “propriety limited company” means?
    In a way the dobber was right.
    People just assume the government will just step in and pick up the bill, regardless.

  224. egg_

    NBNCo signed contracts worth billions with Telstra and Optus and Abbott/Turnbull could have broken them with no problems?

    One for the Corp Lawyers.
    If NBNCo breaks contracts, they’re liable under corporate law methinks.

  225. Fisky

    I don’t say that to gloat, because the reality is, GOP are incoherent on healthcare. They will probably end up partially reconstructing Obamacare. But the ACA is cactus in its current form.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Carpe, been fun chatting but gotta go. Couple of investment properties to inspect tomoz. Both nearing practical completion. C U.

    LEGO is fun, but it’s not really an investment when you take them out of the box, sweetheart.

    Two hotels.
    On Mayfair if you don’t mind.

  227. egg_

    CSIRO has likewise been broken up into CRCs (Co-operative Research Centres) complete with Corp Secretary, etc.

  228. Fisky

    The GOP might (most likely) lose the House but can’t see anything much happening in the Senate. The tax plan guarantees a massive war chest as donors come on board like never before.

    Trump needs to get straight onto either immigration or infrastructure now!

  229. Fisky

    Oh God monster is predicting both the House AND the Senate flipping!! You know what that means….

  230. Joe

    There is an implicit government guarantee otherwise the NBN would not be able to operate or borrow at the rates it does.

    Govt. invests in NBN co. like any other investor. They get equity (shares) in return. The value of the shares can deteriorate to zero or less, however, the investor IS NOT LIABLE for the companies debts. They just lose their existing investment if the company goes bankrupt. The debt holders take a bath and may also lose their shirt, but that does not affect the investors in the company – they have already paid the price by losing their investment.

    Borrowing rates are set by the lenders perception of the possibility of default etc – that’s their risk. There is no obligation for the govt. to pay the debts of NBN co. The govt. can borrow at govt. rates and invest in NBN co. providing NBN co. with cheap capital – in return they get more shares in NBN co. In practice this is not necessary as the govt. is the sole shareholder of NBN co.

  231. squawkbox

    Never really been a LEGO person, sweetheart. Nite.

    ##18703x!0^4pi()##squawkboxbot##[email protected]@grigory-rae-dipshitdetect?&canttakeahint!#&incrediblyboring#&wanksofftopolpot#catallaxyfiles.com#agent.trollfind##!#!

    You’re not fooling anyone, Grigory.

  232. The GOP might (most likely) lose the House but can’t see anything much happening in the Senate.

    Hey Fisky, did you not catch the Alabama result? That kind of changed the game. If Alabama isn’t safe for Republicans, nobody’s safe.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Immigration is all that matters. If he doesn’t address that his base won’t give a fuck about the coming.

  234. Pickles

    A yarn about Stan told via Alan Jones as it were.
    About 1985 I got invited to a charity doo in Dubbo. It was black tie at a time when black tie was BnS and if the battle dress last two doos it was a miracle. Along I went on my best behaviour. The Coming Out. A young blokes dubut absent copping one up against the fence outside the civic centre. Alan Jones was the speaker and piss and flashest feed for $50 all in. Due to a number of cancellations I got a bait.

    The Wallabies had not long returned from winning the Grand Slam and Jones was riding high as it were. At the time I think he was being touted if that be the correct term as a future Liberal PM.
    He told 500 of Dubbo and surrounding areas upper echelons that on arriving in London for the tour a big night on the piss was traditionally had. Stan had pulled a root, an effort which would these days be described as unprecedented like a 30c day in summer.

    Anyway, the tour went on with some success. Some months later the tour party came back to London before flying home. Waiting for them at the Ritz was the lass that Stan had met on the first night. As a gentleman, Stan took her out to dinner. On the way home as the taxi sped across the night she told Stan that as a result of their meeting those months before, she was with child and if Stan would not make an honest woman of her, she would kill herself.

    As the Parrot told it, Stan reaches across the girl, opened the door and said “not only are you a good root, you are a good sport as well” and booted her out.

    Blokes n the crowd laughed like drains. Women wet themselves. I have no idea if the yarn was true. Either way hats off for the parrot for telling it and I hope, hats off for Stan for doing it.

  235. Fisky

    Perth Mod topped the ATAR rankings last year too
    Happens a fair bit if you are the most elite public school in the state!

  236. Leigh Lowe

    It’s amazing! Trump can play golf for a year and simultaneously obliterate Obama’s legacy built over 8 years.

    Ha, ha.
    2018 … golf, golf, golf, golf, build the wall, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, kill Obamacare, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, attend Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s funeral, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, appoint Baron to the Supreme Court, golf… put up the Christmas Tree.
    Golden days.

  237. Ubique

    It dawns on the Pope that the Western World is is committing demographic suicide.
    Germany has been reduced to importing young people from the Middle East to make up for the missing generations of young people who suffered abortion in State-run and funded clinics.

  238. Fisky

    Hey Fisky, did you not catch the Alabama result? That kind of changed the game. If Alabama isn’t safe for Republicans, nobody’s safe.

    The GOP took Ted Kennedy’s seat at the start of 2010

  239. Oh God monster is predicting both the House AND the Senate flipping!! You know what that means….

    Dude, you predicted 4.5% GDP growth for the US today. That is a-craze-balls.

  240. Fisky

    Immigration is all that matters. If he doesn’t address that his base won’t give a fuck about the coming

    Luckily, Paul Ryan has a plan to spend all of 2018 trying to cut Social Security and Medicare.

  241. Andreas

    I could be wrong, but given the NBN co is a wholly owned subsidiary of the government I would think the government would be ultimately found liable if it broke contracts and became insolvent. The government is basically a holding company for the NBN.

    I really doubt Abbott could have simply torn up the NBN co’s contracts at no cost.

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