Wednesday Forum: December 20, 2017

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  1. Fisky

    I think 4.5% is a little on the low side. I’m being very conservative!

  2. JC

    In a way the dobber was right.
    People just assume the government will just step in and pick up the bill, regardless.

    In case anyone doesn’t know, Memoryfault reckons

    1. I sent him to him to hospital. He egged people on, to look into his past and when we did and began to discuss it here, it caused him chest pains.

    2. He reckons I dobbed him into the cops because a member of his family applied for a gun license causing a police raid on his home. How I was supposed to know anything about someone in his family applying for a gun license was left unresolved. Later, someone here explained to the crank that previous police interventions, such as family violence, would trigger a raid if an application was made with his home address.

    3. This also morphed into…. I dobbed him in because he claimed his kid was doing magic mushrooms.

  3. Joe

    Western World is is committing demographic suicide.

    The Western World has made it impossible to raise kids. Both parents have to work to buy a house. Both parents have to work to provide for their offspring. What used to take one man to provide for his family, now requires the man and his wife to do. Welcome to the world of female work.

  4. Zyconoclast

    Trump needs to get straight onto either immigration or infrastructure now!

    Build the wall.

    Other infrastructure will be viewed as local and no one else will care.
    The wall is for the entire USA. It has the adantage of being both practicle asnd have great optics.

  5. Jimf

    https://youtu.be/ZY5bWuJ3ong
    Love the way big bro George does the school kid get up as a piss take to little bro Angus in this one .

  6. Snoopy

    But the ACA is cactus in its current form.

    Another election promise met.

  7. squawkbox

    I really doubt Abbott could have simply torn up the NBN co’s contracts at no cost.

    Good point. There really should be some legal provision that no government should be able to make contracts for a duration beyond the existing government’s term. Anything else is allowing government to govern beyond the grave.

  8. Snoopy

    I suppose with the mandate gone only registered Democrats, academics and journalists (BIRM) will stump up for an Obamacare policy?

  9. Zyconoclast

    Sorry for the bodgy spelling.
    Its the thought that counts. 🙄

  10. Fisky

    I wonder if there is a way to roll the DACA amnesty into the Wall. Maybe force the recipients to build the Wall before they get permanent status, or something. Either that or sign up for military service to take out Rocketman.

  11. JC

    Good point. There really should be some legal provision that no government should be able to make contracts for a duration beyond the existing government’s term. Anything else is allowing government to govern beyond the grave.

    I believe the federal government only can walk away from a contract without redress/ compensation. What stops this behavior are the potential reprecussions in terms of sovereign risk.

    Joe

    The government has not offered the NBN any explicit guarantee and the market also knows the chances of the government walking away from NBN debts are about 2% (implicit guarantee). Check and see where NBN debt is trading, if the NBN has issued private debt (I don’t know). Compare that to the government bond rate of the same duration and that will tell you what the market risk assessment is.

  12. Snoopy

    Have you said a prayer for Sinc and his magic wipes lately?

  13. Infidel Tiger

    Hey Fisky, did you not catch the Alabama result? That kind of changed the game. If Alabama isn’t safe for Republicans, nobody’s safe.

    If they continue to nominate horse riding perverts, then yes.

  14. In case anyone doesn’t know, Memoryfault reckons

    I’m glad you’re still around, dobber, coz I’ve been meaning to ask:
    Do you have the Crimestoppers Anonymous Dob-In number on speed dial, or did you memorise it?

  15. If they continue to nominate horse riding perverts, then yes.

    The GOP is full of them, especially in leadership.

  16. JC

    I’m glad you’re still around, dobber, coz I’ve been meaning to ask:
    Do you have the Crimestoppers Anonymous Dob-In number on speed dial, or did you memorise it?

    It’s always with the malicious crank fakenews. Always.

    Tell us crank, what’s that secret federal chamber up these days? You fucking clown.

  17. Fisky

    If either immigration/infrastructure go nowhere then Trump simply has to take out Rocketman this year. Maybe it can be the October surprise!

  18. cohenite

    The GOP is full of them, especially in leadership.

    Noone outslimes our bill; except Hillary; and that weird thing with the Indian head-dress; and Pelosi; and that black bint who wears the 10 gallon hats….

  19. Zyconoclast

    Charlottesville police chief retires after criticism over rally response
    https://wtop.com/virginia/2017/12/charlottesville-police-cheif-retires-effective-immediately/

    Too bad the fake nationalists dont join him in retirement.

  20. JC

    Can someone remind me. What’s Memorycrank’s secret parliamentary chamber called where he reckons they meet in secret and pass laws? I forget the name.

  21. Snoopy

    Monty must be disgusted and disappointed with Franken.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Joe MacDonald, union dinosaur, presented with some sort of recognition by the State Labor Party, on the front page of the Oz, wearing a T – shirt commemorating the “Wave Hill Walkoff.” F.M.S., you couldn’t make this shyte up, if you tried.

  23. JC

    Monty must be disgusted and disappointed with Franken.

    For threatening to resign and then not doing so?

  24. Zyconoclast

    I wonder if there is a way to roll the DACA amnesty into the Wall. Maybe force the recipients to build the Wall before they get permanent status…

    After they build the wall, then deport them.
    Its only fair.

  25. Snoopy

    For threatening to resign and then not doing so?

    After admitting to sexual abuse. Somehow I don’t believe he’s particularly contrite.

  26. Tell us crank, what’s that secret federal chamber up these days? You fucking clown.

    I dunno, dobber.
    Maybe we could ask Brian of Moorabbin.
    Oh, sorry, I forgot. Some dobber scared him away.
    I wonder who that was?

    While you’re here, what was the number for the Sergeant in Charge at Moorabbin Cop Shop again?

  27. Steve trickler.

    Nice to discover this.



  28. nilk

    We are stuck with the NBN because LABOR signed unbreakable contracts

    @Neil (7.24pm)

    Rubbish, Neil. No contract is unbreakable, especially one signed by the previous grubberment. Just ask Dear Leader Comrade Andrews of Victoriastan. He knows all about breaking unbreakable contracts.

  29. Fisky

    Compare Trump’s astonishing first year to the Dubbya trainwreck. It started with the dumb No Child Left Behind boondoggle which he signed with Ted Kennedy, moved onto reducing “racial” profiling at airports in order to chase the Arab vote, then 9/11 happened (totes unrelated!), then he declared Islam to be a “religion of peace”, then started and failed to win a war with the Taliban, and then he got the ball rolling on taking out Saddam and replacing him with some Khomeini sockpuppet.

    Obama was a little more successful than that in Y1, but his legacy has already been erased permanently as we mentioned before.

  30. JC

    Hey Fault, honest question…..
    In 1991 Crank turned his attention to other matters. He warned of the dangers of child immunisation and advocated ‘quack’ medical treatments. His own strident ……. views were combined with LaRouche propaganda. In the November 1991 issue of his newsletter, Crank somewhat disturbingly featured a bold headline declaring President George Bush Snr. to be the world’s leading homosexual child abuser. By this time, the diverse nature of Crank’s conspiratorial allegations suggests a failing grip on reality and the increasing influence of LaRouche. This link is most obvious in Crank’s and LaRouche’s attacks on public figures on spurious sexual grounds.*

    Do you still believe Bush snr was the world’s biggest pedo? You fucking clown.

    Australian Journal of Social Studies discussing the crank.

  31. Hey Fault, honest question…..

    I see. The Cat’s most allegedly right wing capitalist demands I answer accusations made about me 30 years ago in a communist portfolio. Good one dobber. But how about we stick closer to home.

    Do you deny you phoned the Sergeant in Charge of the Moorabbin Police Station about comments made by one of his constables on this blog? A simple yes or no will suffice.

  32. Fisky

    Hey JC, you know who else was promoting the George H.W. Bush peedo-file line in the early 90’s?

    That’s right, Lyndon LaRouche!

    http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1991/eirv18n49-19911220/eirv18n49-19911220_059-australian_newsletter_asks_is_ge.pdf

  33. Police boss interviewed ….[blah blah blah]… Police had to retreat, he said, because they were concerned about their safety. No arrests made. Total homos.

    This “officer safety” is a phrase one hears more of all the time.
    Police will not conduct a walk-through of a pub in my town unless the bar staff will first guarantee “officer safety.”
    This has not had the outcome Police had intended.

  34. JC

    Fisk

    I have to say that the police raid discussed in the research paper is really disturbing.

    I’ve never seen such a natural crank as the Fault.

  35. Zyconoclast

    Schoolboy is ‘beaten by Pakistani men for dating a girl from their family who told him “Don’t mess with our blood”‘

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-beaten-pakistani-men-dating-11702237

  36. JC

    Interesting link, so the Fault has always claimed here the Social Studies Journal was smearing him and then there’s a link with LaRouche quoting The Fault’s accusation about Bush. Quoting directly from Fault’s “revered” newsletter.

    It’s fucking hilarious stuff. The Fault tells people to research him… eggs them on…. and when they do, he goes nuts and claims it caused him to end up in hospital. I’m guessing there will be another claimed hospital stay this evening.

  37. C.L.

    This “officer safety” is a phrase one hears more of all the time.
    Police will not conduct a walk-through of a pub in my town unless the bar staff will first guarantee “officer safety.”

    The reason for this is as obvious as a third ball on a greyhound.
    Women police officers.

  38. I’m guessing there will be another claimed hospital stay this evening.

    Nah, dobber, you and your sycophants have done your worst. It won’t happen again.
    That just leaves us with the unanswered question:

    Do you deny you phoned the Sergeant in Charge of the Moorabbin Police Station about comments made by one of his constables on this blog? A simple yes or no will suffice.

  39. Zyconoclast

    https://www.rt.com/news/413558-malmo-police-retract-rape-women/

    Swedish police retract safety advice to women despite 3rd gang rape in 1 month

    Published time: 18 Dec, 2017 17:54Edited time: 19 Dec, 2017

    Police in the Swedish city of Malmo have retracted advice given to women in the city following the brutal gang-rape of a 17-year-old girl. The force advised women not to go out alone after dark following the vicious attack.

    Officers issued the warning over the weekend following the assault, which occurred on Saturday, and marked the third such vicious rape committed by unknown perpetrators in the city in less than a month.

    The original warning, reported by various Swedish media outlets, said that women should avoid venturing out after dark without someone for company. Considering it gets dark quite early in Sweden at this time of year, that would mean women should avoid being in the streets alone after approximately 3pm local time.

    However, following criticism, Malmo police issued a formal statement on Monday retracting those remarks, describing them as “unfortunate and unclear.”

    “My advice is to behave as usual and not act on fear,” said police spokesperson Mats Karlsson, as cited by SVT.

    So far, police have not linked this most recent incident to the previous two but are also not ruling out a connection. In this latest case, there is no CCTV footage to analyze but police are attempting to recover footage from surrounding areas in a bid to catch the attackers.

  40. Crime of the century. Wombinoo station in NQ had a permit to clear 2700 Ha of bush over prescribed areas. The Queensland government maintains 132 Ha was cleared outside the prescribed area.
    No reports I have found claim that more than 2700 Ha were cleared. Owners ordered to pay fine and replant 132 Ha. One can only imagine the replanting conditions when natural regrowth would do just as well or better.

    Snoopy: In a previous life I was mixed up in a similar incident. It got quite ugly.
    The landholder stoutly maintained that he’d cleared 6,000 acres (which’d be a slightly smaller area than the above) the claim against him was that he’d cleared quite a deal more, and it could “be proved” he had.

    It all ended when the landholder produced his idea of the area of pulled country. It happened that the Surveyor-General dept had turned up at the time (as they do) & surveyed the cleared area for him – with the landholder working as the chainman.

    Being as if the matter was prosecuted, the Surveyor-General would have been called on to survey the pulled area to determine if it exceeded 6,000 acres.

    Case.Closed. Major red-faces all around – except for the boss & the surveyor I suppose.

  41. Ubique
    #2589546, posted on December 20, 2017 at 10:53 pm
    It dawns on the Pope that the Western World is is committing demographic suicide.

    He must have missed the 2006 warning by Mark Steyn.
    (America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It)

  42. Roger

    The Western World has made it impossible to raise kids. Both parents have to work to buy a house. Both parents have to work to provide for their offspring.

    As well as the offspring of the children of the sexual revolution.

  43. squawkbox

    The reason for this is as obvious as a third ball on a greyhound.
    Women police officers.

    Thinking back to Sir Robert Peel who founded the original police force.

    His police officers were only armed with a truncheon, at a time when anyone could carry a knife, a swordstick, a sword or a revolver. However, there his police officers were also subject to a mininum size (and I suspect for practical purposes membership of the local rugby league/union team). It’s a matter of recruiting people who will not instantly either pull out the taser or run away and wet themselves when opposed.

  44. The reason for this is as obvious as a third ball on a greyhound.
    Women police officers.

    There’s something in that.
    It is not limited to women though. A couple of years before, the O.i.C of the Police Station told a forum of the town’s liquor licencees that “his boys” will not be doing any walk-throughs of a pub late at night as the public “may throw ice from their drinks, at police“.

    I-am-not-making-that-up.

  45. JC

    This is fucking madness, Fisk. This shit was swirling around in his head?

    For instance, Crank first blew the whistle on the true role of the Deakin Center in the nation’s capital of Canberra. The Deakin Center was alleged by the government to be a telephone exchange, but it turned out to be a massive comput­er center with centralized data on all Australian citizens and satellite links to the U.S. National Security Agency. In anoth­er article, Inside News exposed the now-defunct National Safety Council as a CIA-funded private political police force

    Crank was swearing balck and blue has wasn’t involved with LaRouche groups and looks what Google finds.

  46. As well as the offspring of the children of the sexual revolution.

    Therein lies the problem, Roger.
    We have made single motherhood a lifestyle choice.
    In fact, a lucrative choice, which just gets better with the number of children spawned.
    Traditional couples are required to pay for it, as well as provide for their own children.

  47. JC

    Do you deny you phoned the Sergeant in Charge of the Moorabbin Police Station about comments made by one of his constables on this blog? A simple yes or no will suffice.

    Of course I do, Crank even though I don’t need to. Brian confirmed I never did any such thing It was fakenews created by you and some others.

    Are you still denying association with the LaRouche groups even though they quote you?

  48. It’s a matter of recruiting people who will not instantly either pull out the taser or run away and wet themselves when opposed.

    Police in my town would do at least one retreat each fortnight.
    (Exactly like the retreat last night by Vicpol in Werribee)

    The message has been received by the hooligan element as thus:
    1/. Move in numbers of 20 or more.
    2/. Immediately upon sighting police, throw missiles (e.g. empty beer cans, stubbies, etc – if no empties, full ones will work even better).

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    SATP at 11.42;

    PLEASE tell me that tidbit was a little white lie. Armed coppers wanting a 20 year old barmaid to guarantee their safety before they walk in the door?

    Oh God. That is the entire purpose of walk-throughs – to look for trouble. No trouble, no problem. If there is trouble – well, the coppers were in the right place.

    Officer safety has its place. Its place is NOT running away from teenage African gangs and it is certainly not asking bar staff if they will be safe coming in. Christ, I’ve had night shifts on King Street where my whole crew was missing bark and claret from various incidents. The crooks were well worse off, however, and in the cells to boot. In my view ‘officer safety’ is achieved by removing trouble from the streets you are paid o keep safe for use by normal people. It’s your JOB.

    You want a safe job, go be an accountant. No offence to accountants. Your job is to run towards trouble while everyone else is running away. I suspect a great majority of the younger coppers are made with frustration at the current setup, made and maintained by those at the highest levels to reduce compo claims and to look better in the papers or somesuch.

    I left a big southern jurisdiction well over a decade ago because of this mindset among the top. Thanks, Christine – I am glad to report that in some parts of the country at least, police work is – as it should be – a contact sport.

  50. You keep dodging the question, dobber.
    I wonder why that is:

    Do you deny you phoned the Sergeant in Charge of the Moorabbin Police Station about comments made by one of his constables on this blog? A simple yes or no will suffice.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Paid TO keep safe’

    ‘Mad with frustration’

    The only downside to several decades in this line of work can be excessive mileage on the chassis if you do your job properly. Still not as bad as shearing or labouring, though.

  52. squawkbox

    Police in my town would do at least one retreat each fortnight.
    (Exactly like the retreat last night by Vicpol in Werribee)

    Cannot imagine Vicpol recruiting a 6’+ white male in the last 15 years, unless the recruit was either wearing fishnets or reciting the Quran during the recruitment interview.

  53. KnuckleDragger: That is God’s own truth.
    None of us could quite believe what we were hearing.

    PLEASE tell me that tidbit was a little white lie. Armed coppers wanting a 20 year old barmaid to guarantee their safety before they walk in the door?

  54. JC

    Fault

    Stop creating fake news about me and focus on the crank bullshit you were involved with. You haven’t stopped, have you, you cranked up sack of shit. Just like you were writing utter nonsense like the Deakin Center and the National Safety Council being fronts for the CIA etc.. you tried to peddle nonsense here about the Federation chamber just recently about it being some sort of nefarious operation.. You found out people here won’t put up with that bullshit.

    You have not stopped peddling fake news, you crank bullshit artist.

  55. Of course I do, Crank even though I don’t need to. Brian confirmed I never did any such thing It was fakenews created by you and some others.

    Fascinating, dobber, because about a year or so ago you admitted to it. Here on the Cat.
    Of course you included the obligatory whitewash as to why you weren’t really dobbing anybody in.
    Have you forgotten? Tomorrow I will dig up a link for you – to refresh your memory.

  56. JC

    There was more to the story about the Werribee incident that I saw on TV this evening.. The original cops did retreat, but they also called in the riot cops to deal with attackers as they were throwing rocks and shit at night.

    I don’t think thart’s entirely unreasonable.

  57. JC

    Fascinating, dobber, because about a year or so ago you admitted to it. Here on the Cat.

    Of course you included the obligatory whitewash as to why you weren’t really dobbing anybody in.
    Have you forgotten? Tomorrow I will dig up a link for you – to refresh your memory.

    You’re lying as usual, you sad sack of dishonest shit.

    More to the point, you’ve claimed the Social Studies piece was an attempt to smear you, but the more important claims have been pretty much corroborated by the LaRouche links found in Google.

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    PLEASE tell me that tidbit was a little white lie. Armed coppers wanting a 20 year old barmaid to guarantee their safety before they walk in the door?

    The Law, in the country town I grew up in, was kept by a certain Sergeant “Stan The Man.” His method of enforcing the law, on pub walkthroughs was to seize any vocal drunks by the nearest ear, and rumble “Make that one your last one, then you’re going home.” At a time when hydraulic wool presses were rare, and the woolpresser of a shearing team was the biggest, most hulking individual on the team, he broke up a brawl by throwing the ringleader – the woolpresser of the local team – through a pub window, and telling him he could pay for the window.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    Female police officers are like red headed women. They come in two categories only – excellent and shithouse.

    I’m reluctant to lump all the ‘peewees’ into the basket containing those who jump into the company car at the first sign of trouble and lock the doors from the inside, leaving you posted (although that sometimes does happen) because I’ve been in some pretty dire situations back to back with policewomen who fought just as hard as any bloke. Try throwing ice or anything else at these peewees and see how far you get.

    I’ve been sprayed by them a couple of times (fairly confident it was accidental), but contrary to popular opinion if you know what you’re doing you can fight through it.

  60. Knuckle Dragger: If you’ve a spare hour or so, I’m well able to recount a considerable litany of similar anecdotes, chronicling pretty much Police officially abrogating their role.

    It drives the capable & energetic younger coppers up the wall, it frustrates the living daylights out of the brighter ones, who’re well able to see where is all heading.

  61. Slayer of Memes

    So, Senate Dems tried to torpedo Trump’s tax cuts by introducing an amendment to repeal a specific Corporate Tax deduction relating to ‘hush payments for sexual assault’ (a deduction used by Weinstein’s company several times after making payouts to Harvey’s many and varied victims) in the hopes Republicans would reject it..

    They didn’t.

    Which means anyone who voted against the Tax Bill is FOR a provision that allows sexual harassment hush funds to remain tax deductible.

    All Democrats voted against the bill with the amendment.

    Now the go into the midterms with Franken and other alleged abusers in office (assuming he decides to do as the Party Leadership is now asking and NOT resign) , AND having supported hush funds remaining tax deductible by rejecting their own amendment.

    Nice.

  62. Knuckle Dragger

    ZK,

    I don’t think I’d get away with Sgt Stan’s method in this day and age. Drag a bleeding baddie out by the ankle – yep. Through a window – nope. Shame though, I love it. Most decent country towns had a copper or two of the same ilk.

    It’s simple enough – start fight in pub = being thrown through a window and out of pocket.

    No fighting = not being thrown through window, plus more money for beer later.

    Easy peasy Japaneasy.

  63. Just like you were writing utter nonsense like the Deakin Center and the National Safety Council being fronts for the CIA etc..

    Utter nonsense, dobber? When I first wrote about CIA spying on Australian citizens in accordance with the UKUSA pact, it was news. It took another year for its name to surface – Project Echelon. That Project Echelon became PRISM once the internet was incorporated, is a matter of history. Eventually PRISM became Five Eyes, which is currently in the news because of monitoring of President Trump.

    That the Deakin Centre is the base of CIA monitoring in Australia, has been public domain knowledge for at least the past decade, despite claims to the contrary back in the 1980’s.

    As for the National Safety Council of Victoria, the alleged John Friedrichs committed suicide by allegedly shooting himself in the back of the head a few times, while allegedly being guarded by two ASIO agents. What more can I say?

  64. Fisky

    MemoryVault, all of that is not exactly a convincing way to disprove the allegations that you worked hand-in-glove with LaRouche up to around 1992, even though you claimed that you had nothing to do with LaRouche during the Queensland by-election.

    Publishing op-eds in LaRouche’s magazine AFTER the alleged takeover is a weird way to distance yourself from him!

  65. JC

    You make shit up as you go along, Fault. It’s laughable. The Deakin Centre and the National Safety Council were not CIA fronts. George Bush Snr was not a pedo. The Federation Chamber is not a secretive body running the country.

    You’re mentally disturbed crank.

    You’re now trying to peddle the crank idea that you were the first to discover the genesis of various US government operations monitoring Trump. Get the fuck out of here.

  66. C.L.

    The Western World has made it impossible to raise kids. Both parents have to work to buy a house.

    That’s hardly the main issue.
    Virtually nobody in the Western world owned their own homes in previous centuries.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Most decent country towns had a copper or two of the same ilk.

    Try this one as an exercise in keeping the law, in a country town. I’m posting from Western Australia. The place where I grew up, had an Aboriginal , sworn, police officer posted there. The local Aborigines were kind enough to inform him that, “if you arrest any of our mob, we’ll get together and burn your house down.”

    This was at the same time that the indigenous were telling the local cops that “Mabo means we don’t have to obey “whitefella’s law.” and “All of us are part of the Stolen Generation.”

  68. The Deakin Centre and the National Safety Council were not CIA fronts.

    The Deakin Centre is the HQ of CIA monitoring in Australia. That’s now official – no secret.
    The National Safety Council Of Victoria was a highly secretive organisation.
    I say it was a CIA front. You say it wasn’t.
    Shall we compare info and let Cats decide?

  69. Joe

    That’s hardly the main issue.
    Virtually nobody in the Western world owned their own homes in previous centuries.

    True, but in those days the Man went to work to support his family, which the Woman stayed home to guide and manage. Try doing that today.

  70. The local Aborigines were kind enough to inform him that, “if you arrest any of our mob, we’ll get together and burn your house down.”

    Please tell us that was followed three seconds later by him arresting the speaker for “threatening Police”.

  71. JC

    The Deakin Centre is the HQ of CIA monitoring in Australia. That’s now official – no secret.
    The National Safety Council Of Victoria was a highly secretive organisation.
    I say it was a CIA front. You say it wasn’t.
    Shall we compare info and let Cats decide?

    No, the very first claim, that you’re not going near, was the George Bush snr. was the world’s most important pedo.
    Discuss this one first.

  72. Bruce in WA

    We had a fabulous copper in Broome back in the 70s when I lived there. Built like a keg with arms and legs. Was having a beer with him in the Conti one night; he’d just returned from leave.

    Next minute there was a kerfuffle outside, with a few fellers having a go in the drive-in. He put down his beer, literally rolled up his sleeves, and said: “Welcome back to f***ing Broome!”.

    He went outside and within a few seconds, after bodies flying through the air, had the whole deal sorted.

    And he was a nice bloke as well.

  73. Zyconoclast

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-review-turnbull-government-will-allow-companies-to-purchase-foreign-carbon-credits-20171218-h06zia.html

    The Turnbull government will reverse course and allow businesses to buy overseas carbon credits to meet Australia’s emissions reduction targets, a policy long questioned by climate experts and once labelled “dodgy” by Tony Abbott.

    Backed by industry and some climate change observers, the move allows big businesses to purchase emissions reductions in other countries – most likely at lower prices – to offset their own carbon production.

  74. Fisky

    Fascinating interview by Miranda Devine with a former Manus Island security guard. Everything he says about the Iranians is spot on. He describes them as “middle class partyboys” who “got into a bit of trouble back home”, and whose “rich families weren’t going to bail them out anymore”.

    He also says that they “intimidated” local staff and made “threats” towards them, and were at the “core” of the “unrest” there. This is completely in line with what a relative of mine observed on Nauru. The Iranians basically spat at the feat of the locals and insulted them all the time.

    Anyone who believes the country shoppers is a complete moron.

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/miranda-devine/miranda-live-with-luke-foley-and-mark-latham/news-story/619fa8cba6467dbb3578d00ad9c3b0d3?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=DailyTelegraph&utm_medium=Twitter

  75. JC

    Here’s your problem, Fault. You have made claims that the piece in the Social Studies Journal was a smear job. Yet mere Google searches to various links offer the Journal piece even stronger support.

  76. C.L.

    Fascinating interview by Miranda Devine with a former Manus Island security guard. Everything he says about the Iranians is spot on. He describes them as “middle class partyboys” who “got into a bit of trouble back home”, and whose “rich families weren’t going to bail them out anymore”.

    What used to be called “remittance men” in old Australia.

  77. You’re now trying to peddle the crank idea that you were the first to discover the genesis of various US government operations monitoring Trump. Get the fuck out of here.

    No, I was the first to disclose that certain countries, including Australia, had an agreement, called the UKUSA Pact, whereby a country would monitor the citizens of another country, and feed that information back to the monitored country, thereby circumventing laws about countries monitoring their own citizens.

    The fact that it has only just become public knowledge with revelations about monitoring Trump, is neither her nor there. It has been going on since the early Eighties. And yes, despite the fact that it galls you, I exposed it first. Live with it.

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Please tell us that was followed three seconds later by him arresting the speaker for “threatening Police”.

    No, but when a certain “tribal Elder” was howling “excessive force” in being arrested, I had a certain sadistic satisfaction in declaring “No, I didn’t see any excessive force, in fact, I would say the arrest was carried out with minimum force…”

  79. JC

    The fact that it has only just become public knowledge with revelations about monitoring Trump, is neither her nor there. It has been going on since the early Eighties. And yes, despite the fact that it galls you, I exposed it first. Live with it.

    Get off your soap box, you crank. You have nothing of the sort. Of course you’re not going near the Bush accusation, you lowlife.

  80. Fisky

    This is the book that is coming out soon on Manus Island –

    http://www.connorcourtpublishing.com.au/MANUS-DAYS–The-Untold-Story-of-Manus-Island_p_134.html

    We must promote this book far and wide, and confront the country shoppers on Twitter with it!

  81. JC

    I exposed it first. Live with it.

    Just like this exposition.

    To the Crank the world was full of conspiracies including a secret society of dentists
    who worked toward a One World Government. 25

    25 The Crank did not reveal why dentists had formed such a group.

    Dentists.. lol.

  82. JC

    In quotes:

    To the Crank the world was full of conspiracies including a secret society of dentists
    who worked toward a One World Government. 25

    25 The Crank did not reveal why dentists had formed such a group.

  83. No, the very first claim, that you’re not going near, was the George Bush snr. was the world’s most important pedo.

    You want to tackle things in chronological order?
    I first wrote about the UKUSA, the Deakin Centre, and the CIA in 1987.
    The claims you are quoting from your communist manifesto, are from over five years later.
    So, before we move on, tell us your understanding of the recently reported “Five Eyes” and its history.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.connorcourtpublishing.com.au/MANUS-DAYS–The-Untold-Story-of-Manus-Island_p_134.html

    I’ll do my usual – a copy to the local public millibar, a copy to be passed around my cronies, and a copy for my library shelves..

  85. JC

    Fault

    You’re a dishonest crank with no appealing qualities. You disgust me. You haven’t changed one bit.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You’re a dishonest crank with no appealing qualities. You disgust me. You haven’t changed one bit.

    J.C. of the Cat. Busted as a liar on 22nd June, 2015, saying I claimed to have served in Viet Nam, where I’ve never made any such claim. Why should anyone believe what he said about Brian of Moorabbin, about the same time?

  87. To the Crank the world was full of conspiracies including a secret society of dentists
    who worked toward a One World Government. 25

    Actually, dobber, I have written laughingly about Delta Sigma Delta – a “secret society” of dentists, more than once here on the Cat, as an example of conspiracy theories gone mad. But you keep digging, son. The more of this garbage you quote from this communist journal, the more you exonerate me.

    In the meantime, I’d like to go to bed.
    Are you sure you want to stick with the tale that you never phoned the Sergeant at Moorabbin?

  88. JC

    Keep sucking cock, Rones.

    You’re in the same canoe as your pal, the Crank accusing me for ages that I had told on Brian when everyone knew it wasn’t true. Like him you’ve been creating fake stories, you worthless piece of shit.

    But sometimes you let the cat out of the bag, thinking your boasts about you grandfather would be taken well here. Like this one:

    …..grandfather Two Alpha was reputed to be able to make a dozy blackfellow, jump his own height with a well placed swipe from a stock whip.

    Scum, right through the line.

    Keep talking your crass uneducated talk about how much you hate blacks, you filth.

  89. Fisky

    MemoryVault, I hope you’re not setting yourself up to be rumbled again for lying!

  90. JC

    MemoryVault, I hope you’re not setting yourself up to be rumbled again for lying!

    Ronery begs him to write a biography. Can you believe it.

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m throwing it all in as well. Given his record on the Cat, and what I remember as well, JC doens’t have any credibility about not phoning the Sergeant at Moorabin. June, 2015, IIRC. Somewhat stunned that someone, on a blog, would take such a step.

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Keep sucking cock, Rones.

    That the best you can do? Cheesy little schoolyard nick – names? Just so gay? Give it away, JC, you’re just past it all.

  93. JC

    I’m throwing it all in as well. Given his record on the Cat, and what I remember as well, JC doens’t have any credibility about not phoning the Sergeant at Moorabin. June, 2015, IIRC. Somewhat stunned that someone, on a blog, would take such a step.

    Incredible. Ronery was taken down a peg when Brian commented it wasn’t true. Ronery saw the comment but keeps spreading fake stories. This from the military man. Mr Integrity. What a disgusting worm of a man.

  94. JC

    That the best you can do? Cheesy little schoolyard nick – names? Just so gay? Give it away, JC, you’re just past it all.

    This is gay:

    …..grandfather Two Alpha was reputed to be able to make a dozy blackfellow, jump his own height with a well placed swipe from a stock whip.

    Unreal. It was supposed to impress people here.

  95. I had told on Brian when everyone knew it wasn’t true.

    Yeah, yeah,we all know your motives were as pure as the driven snow. The question is:
    Do you deny you phoned the Sergeant in Charge of the Moorabbin Police Station about comments made by one of his constables on this blog? A simple yes or no will suffice.

  96. JC

    No wonder your first wife cheated on you rones. You have no redeeming qualities. None, you cuckold.

  97. JC

    Yeah, yeah,we all know your motives were as pure as the driven snow. The question is:
    Do you deny you phoned the Sergeant in Charge of the Moorabbin Police Station about comments made by one of his constables on this blog? A simple yes or no will suffice.

    Perhaps you can also explain this found in the Social Studies Journal, Fault.

    The Crank , however, had his own problems in this respect.When
    members of the Queensland Counter Terrorist Squad executed a search warrant at
    Sawyer’s property, they found images of child abuse and child pornography, material
    for which Sawyer was charged.75

    75. Sunshine Coast Daily, 1 June 1996.

  98. Perhaps you can also explain this found in the Social Studies Journal, Fault.

    So, can we take that as another refusal to answer the question, dobber?

  99. Brian of Moorabbin

    FOR THE LAST TIME

    JC DID NOT phone my superiors, nor did he send a letter to them.

    The phonecall was made by a FEMALE (which JC most definitely is not), and the caller ID pinged the phone as being from a university in Queensland.

    The letter was stamped with a Queensland Post Office stamp.

    Please cease all further commentary on this matter, lest I make a formal complaint to the DoomLord requesting that people engaging in slanderous behaviour be banned from this site.

    Go brawl with each other over some other issue… do NOT drag me into it!

    Enough is enough, ffs…

  100. JC

    Anyone want to read up on the link someone sent me about the Crank, you can find it all here. Warts and all.

    Journal of Australian Studies,
    Vol. 32, No. 1, March 2008, 135146

  101. JC

    Brian

    Thanks, but it’s unnecessary. Both these aresholes know this but they are creating a fake story to try and get at me. Everyone knows this.

    However, I’ll keep it on file and present it the next time these two dipsticks try it on.

  102. Fisky

    Thank you Brian of Moorabbin, for confirming that Memoryvault and Zulu are lying yet again! Terrible liars, very dishonest!

  103. JC DID NOT phone my superiors, nor did he send a letter to them.

    Trouble is, Brian, JC has previously admitted to a phone call.

  104. Fisky

    Oh my God you really are addicted to lying and fabulism aren’t you Memoryvault!

  105. Brian of Moorabbin

    Every fucking time this issue has been raised over the past few months, I get a phone call from my (now former) colleagues asking what the fuck is going on, and why are they getting more calls complaining about me months after I have retired from the job…

    I have fucking HAD it with having to explain to them, over and over, that some dipshit or other refuses to believe the categorical truth that I have posted here.

    NO.
    MORE.

    I fucking mean it.

  106. JC

    lest I make a formal complaint to the DoomLord requesting that people engaging in slanderous behaviour be banned from this site.

    At the very least it would finally get rid of Ronery’s incessant attacks on people with darker skin.

    confirming that Memoryvault and Zulu are lying yet again! Terrible liars, very dishonest!

    Just comment vermin. That’s all.

    The funniest thing is that whenever Ronery tries to do a pile on against me, he ends up on the receiving end of the serious hiding.

    Oh my God you really are addicted to lying and fabulism aren’t you Memoryvault!

    He’s just shocking.

  107. Fisky

    You are right to be annoyed, Brian, that lunatics are trying to run down your career. Memoryvault has often been in trouble with the police so he has a clear motive for smearing people.

  108. Brian of Moorabbin

    memoryvault,

    Behold the farm in which I grow my fucks…

    I do not care what the fuck you think JC has, or has not, admitted to here.

    I am telling you, CATEGORICALLY, that he DID NOT make any such phone call.

    Now, if you wish to call me a liar…?

  109. I have fucking HAD it with having to explain to them, over and over, that some dipshit or other refuses to believe the categorical truth that I have posted here.

    And yet the dobber has STILL admitted to a phone call to your boss.
    Sorry Brian, but thems the facts, and tomorrow I’ll go looking for the link.

  110. Brian of Moorabbin

    Thanks mv

    Email sent.

    I.
    Am.
    Done.

  111. JC

    See, if you had gone to bed earlier when you had said you were, most of this wouldn’t have occurred, Fault. This also applies to Ronery. If he hadn’t got himself drunk again and tried to imitate a pile on, he wouldn’t have received the thorough hiding he thoroughly deserves. Now look at you both.

    Both of you are an embarrassment to this site and I’m not saying it lightly.

  112. Fisky

    Memoryvault, you are strongly advised to have the link ready BEFORE you make the claims. I mean one might still make the claim first and hold back for a bit – that is after all how you were trapped into lying about the Aboriginal Revolution saga – but you still need the link at hand. Advice!

  113. JC

    And yet the dobber has STILL admitted to a phone call to your boss.
    Sorry Brian, but thems the facts, and tomorrow I’ll go looking for the link.

    No they aren’t. You’re lying and continue to lie about me. I never ever complained about Brian.

    I too will be sending an email to the blog owner about your slander. And Ronery’s.

    You dishonest swines.

  114. Fisky

    Disgusting behaviour! Vault should have been locked up in Graylands mental hospital at least 30 years ago, and Zulu probably belongs in The Hague.

  115. No they aren’t. You’re lying and continue to lie about me. I never ever complained about Brian.

    More bending of the truth. Whoever said you “complained”about Brian?

  116. JC

    No kidding, this is a passable comment at the Cat by this swine.

    …..grandfather Two Alpha was reputed to be able to make a dozy blackfellow, jump his own height with a well placed swipe from a stock whip.

    He’s fucking boasting about it! Sure, I know people mostly ignore his relentless swill but still.

    The other one is unstable. The crankery doesn’t stop with the latest nonsense about the Federation Chamber being a secretive enclave where lib/lab parliamentarians meet to run the country. I tackle him on these sorts of garbage and he keeps coming back with the Brian bullshit. Incredible.

  117. Knuckle Dragger

    You people (not you Brian) do realise you’re making baby Jesus cry, don’t you?

  118. Fisky

    You are not not even a very competent liar, Memoryfault. You claimed JC made a “phone call” to BM’s boss but now you are trying to hedge on whether you meant it was to “complain”. What a pathetic dodge, as if the subject of the phone call would be to recommend a pay rise! You are an even bigger fabulist than ever.

  119. Brian of Moorabbin

    Keep digging mv…

    Keep digging

  120. JC

    You people (not you Brian) do realise you’re making baby Jesus cry, don’t you?

    You people? Are you nuts with the pox on all routine.

    You have a shameless, slanderous crank posting crap here and you have the other swine doing the same and posting boastful, lowrent comments like this:

    …..grandfather Two Alpha was reputed to be able to make a dozy blackfellow, jump his own height with a well placed swipe from a stock whip.

    Great company here, right?

  121. JC

    Ronery

    Don’t think that by running away and hiding from this that you can return here tomorrow or a few days and it will all be forgotten. That’s just not going to happen, you irredeemable swine. No more Mr Nice Guy with you.

  122. Fisky

    Lovely people, the Two Alpha clan. Real salt of the earth types.

  123. That’s just not going to happen, you irredeemable swine. No more Mr Nice Guy with you.

    This, from the Artful Dobber.
    Give me a break.

  124. JC

    Lovely people, the Two Alpha clan. Real salt of the earth types.

    Wonderful, the very best nature can come up with. Landed gentry.

  125. JC

    This, from the Artful Dobber.
    Give me a break.

    Fault has no sense of shame. He doesn’t know what it means.

  126. Makka

    This, from the Artful Dobber.

    Unless you have evidence refuting Brian, you need to pack it in MV. This is looking fking awful.

  127. Unless you have evidence refuting Brian, you need to pack it in MV. This is looking fking awful.

    I’m going to bed, Makka. I have nothing to “refute” Brian, nor would I want to.
    However, quite some time ago, when this came up in conversation, JC admitted to having phoned the Sergeant at Moorabbin. I intend finding the link and posting it here.

  128. Sinclair Davidson

    Gentlepeople – I am on vacation. I do not want to get involved in adjudication of threadster hostility. So here’s the deal – the very next numpty who raises this gets banned.

  129. Tom

    I spoke too soon: four days before Christmas, the cartoon universe has spluttered back into life.

    Mark Knight #1.

  130. Tom

    Paul Zanetti is running a year on review. Today: mainland Tasmania.

  131. johanna

    Joe
    #2589553, posted on December 20, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    Western World is is committing demographic suicide.

    The Western World has made it impossible to raise kids. Both parents have to work to buy a house. Both parents have to work to provide for their offspring. What used to take one man to provide for his family, now requires the man and his wife to do. Welcome to the world of female work.

    I do wish that this stupid meme would die. It is based on nothing.

    Fact – people in countries which are much poorer than ours have a lot more children. It has nothing to do with having enough money to buy a house. People who live in mud and straw huts on someone else’s land have more children than we do.

    Indeed, the converse is the case. The richer people get, the less children they have.

    Compared to even our grandparents, the State now offers immense incentives to having children by way of childcare benefits, free medical cover and the like. It’s not about that.

    And, please don’t drag out that ‘children are the old age insurance policy’ thing. It is true in some circumstances, but you don’t need ten children to make it work.

    And, it’s cross-cultural. Rich women in Saudi Arabia don’t have ten children as their female ancestors did.

    The reasons for declining birthrates are much more complicated than government policies and rising real estate prices, FFS. Get a grip. During the post WWII period, finding a place for a young family to live that they could afford was very difficult indeed. Much more difficult than it is today. But, babies were born in record numbers.

    We need to machine-gun all of these distraction squirrels and start trying to find out why rich (in historical terms) couples don’t want big families.

  132. johanna

    squawkbox
    #2589557, posted on December 20, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    I really doubt Abbott could have simply torn up the NBN co’s contracts at no cost.

    Good point. There really should be some legal provision that no government should be able to make contracts for a duration beyond the existing government’s term. Anything else is allowing government to govern beyond the grave.

    Well, leaving aside that it is unable to be done, since nobody can predict how long a government will last, what a waste of money that would be.

    Every single government contract would come up for renewal on the same day, the day after the election resut is announced.

    Anyone see a slight problem here?

  133. rickw

    We need to machine-gun all of these distraction squirrels and start trying to find out why rich (in historical terms) couples don’t want big families.

    They don’t have to have big families, they just need to have two, and most do.

    The only time this is a problem is when you flood the joint with third world goat herders who work towards having ten.

    The wealthy indigenous population is then rapidly outbred, while becoming significantly poorer thanks to the parasitic nature of the goat herders and their government sponsors.

    The ultimate driver here seems to be a couples sense of security, if there is a lack of security, then there is an innate drive to have a lot of insurance, lots of kids.

    I think this is very deep rooted in the psyche of men and women, for instance there was a mini baby boom in western countries after 911.

  134. Gab

    Quick read of the overnight thread was hilarious. Sinclair comes along and then silence befalls the thread. LOL.

    When the Doomlord speaks, people scatter!

  135. rickw

    Cannot imagine Vicpol recruiting a 6’+ white male in the last 15 years, unless the recruit was either wearing fishnets or reciting the Quran during the recruitment interview.

    I tend to agree with this, last time I had anything to do with them the male officer was 5’6”, the five women were 5’4’, at 6’+ I got a big thanks for being so cooperative.

  136. johanna

    No, I was the first to disclose that certain countries, including Australia, had an agreement, called the UKUSA Pact, whereby a country would monitor the citizens of another country, and feed that information back to the monitored country, thereby circumventing laws about countries monitoring their own citizens.

    Oh, get over yourself.

    In the history of espionage, this is like kids learning their ABC at school. It is the equivalent of putting on a false moustache and glasses as a disguise.

  137. johanna

    C.L.
    #2589634, posted on December 21, 2017 at 1:12 am

    Fascinating interview by Miranda Devine with a former Manus Island security guard. Everything he says about the Iranians is spot on. He describes them as “middle class partyboys” who “got into a bit of trouble back home”, and whose “rich families weren’t going to bail them out anymore”.

    What used to be called “remittance men” in old Australia.

    For those who don’t scroll up.

    You bewdy, C.L. !

    Iranians are a world away from ignorant goatherding savages from places like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia. I’m not saying that is a good thing, but we need to recognise the difference.

  138. Gab

    Trump to withhold funding to any countries that vote against recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Love it!

  139. Geriatric Mayfly

    Written on the back of a beer mat: “Would you like to come back to my place for a shag after the next drink?”
    YES
    NO
    Sign Here ——————————————–

    New Swedish Consent Laws Could Require Written Permission For Sexual Relations
    The left-wing Swedish governing coalition is looking to drastically tighten the country’s sexual consent laws which will require prior verbal or written consent from both partners in the near future.

  140. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sign here…

    New Swedish Consent Laws Could Require Written Permission For Sexual Relations

    The left-wing Swedish governing coalition is looking to drastically tighten the country’s sexual consent laws which will require prior verbal or written consent from both partners in the near future.

    The government has said the new laws, which will go into effect in July of next year, will require both partners to have explicit verbal or written consent in order to engage in sexual activity, or be open to potential rape charges Die Welt reports.

    Presumably they will print the forms in Arabic as well as Swedish. And heaven help you if you tick the “I will use a rubber” box then don’t. You could get stuck in an Ecuadorean embassy for years.

  141. Tintarella di Luna

    Tom, thank you so much for all you’ve done, it’s cheered me up no end all year. Wishing you and all those here at the Cat blessed Christmas and a happy New Year it is my haven of sanity because out here it is really crazy, that’s why my mamma used to say “manicomio e scrito di fuori” roughly translated — lunatic asylum is written on the outside indeed these days most of the crazies really are out and on the loose.

  142. Bruce of Newcastle

    Scary how much GM and I think alike…

  143. Anne

    Is it possible?

    Is this what ALTAirport was all about?

    Dare we dream that filthy old, war mongering, child eating vampire, Soros is being water boarded at Camp David as we speak?

    Also heard that 3000 children rescued in the Saudi raids.
    Anybody here been following QAnon?

  144. johanna

    Here’s a cheery, short, poppy little number for Cats who want a charge of music in the a.m.

    Driver’s Seat.

    Bop along!

  145. johanna

    Alternatively, for those who like a bit of hard rock for brekkie – Ted Nugent’s Strangehold.

  146. Geriatric Mayfly

    Gloom! It’s all downhill again from tomorrow. Make the most of the +0:05 today folks.

    Sun in Melbourne – Next 7 Days
    2017 Sunrise/Sunset Daylength Solar Noon
    Dec Sunrise Sunset Length Difference Time Mil. km
    21 Dec 5:54 am 8:41 pm 14:47:23 +0:05 1:18 pm (75.6°) 147.175
    22 Dec 5:54 am 8:42 pm 14:47:22 −0:01 1:18 pm (75.6°) 147.164
    23 Dec 5:55 am 8:42 pm 14:47:19 −0:03 1:19 pm (75.6°) 147.154
    24 Dec 5:56 am 8:43 pm 14:47:12 −0:07 1:19 pm (75.6°) 147.145
    25 Dec 5:56 am 8:43 pm 14:47:01 −0:11 1:20 pm (75.6°) 147.137
    26 Dec 5:57 am 8:43 pm 14:46:46 −0:15 1:20 pm (75.5°) 147.129
    27 Dec 5:57 am 8:44 pm 14:46:28 −0:18 1:21 pm (75.5°) 147.122

  147. johanna

    Gawd, you lot are picky.

    Here is Andre Rieu’s lot doing the Halleluja Chorus.

  148. notafan

    MV

    Did you put in an FOI request for the safe schools contract that Shorten/Wong signed just before the 2013 election with who was the mob Youth Australia? or their subsidiary, or was your looking confined to Google?

    I’m be shocked and appalled to find out that the Australian government doesn’t conduct it’s business entirely on the internet.

  149. johanna

    If you want a less glitzy, but powerful version, here is the Mormon Tabernable Choir.

    What a sublime piece of music it is.

  150. johanna

    BTW, here is the Mormon Tabernacle Choir doing the glory, glory Hallelujah song. Very impressive.

  151. Bruce of Newcastle

    One for M0nty.

    Mueller’s little surprise (4)

    Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson has now responded to Presidential Transition Team (or Trump for America) attorney Kory Langhofer’s December 16 letter to him by letter to the Administrator of the General Services Administration. Senator Johnson has posted his letter online here. This is the text of the letter with footnotes omitted

    “Please provide the requested information no later than 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, January 2, 2018. Thank you for your attention to this important matter. “

    The clock is now ticking. I bet they don’t ante up though. The FBI has been ignoring such letters for a year.

    Since no subpoena has been mentioned by Mueller it is reasonable to infer the alleged request to GFA was just that – a request. Which means both will be reamed a new one. Mueller for making an allegedly illegal request, then being in receipt of alleged illegally received emails, and GFA for allegedly illegally turning over confidential information.

    Bradley Manning went to the Big House for 35 years for such crimes.

  152. johanna

    Brian of Moorabbin
    #2589663, posted on December 21, 2017 at 2:11 am

    Every fucking time this issue has been raised over the past few months, I get a phone call from my (now former) colleagues asking what the fuck is going on, and why are they getting more calls complaining about me months after I have retired from the job…

    I have fucking HAD it with having to explain to them, over and over, that some dipshit or other refuses to believe the categorical truth that I have posted here.

    NO.
    MORE.

    I fucking mean it.

    Sinc and others, enough is enough. Kill switch, please.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    Hey Rae, if you’re out there, can you give us a heads-up on what happened on the Cat overnight?

  154. zyconoclast

    Fascinating interview by Miranda Devine with a former Manus Island security guard. Everything he says about the Iranians is spot on. He describes them as “middle class partyboys” who “got into a bit of trouble back home”, and whose “rich families weren’t going to bail them out anymore”.

    He also says that they “intimidated” local staff and made “threats” towards them, and were at the “core” of the “unrest” there. This is completely in line with what a relative of mine observed on Nauru. The Iranians basically spat at the feat of the locals and insulted them all the time.

    Many of the traits displayed by Dastardly. Except his parents came with him.

  155. Tom

    It is my pleasure, Tinta, and your feedback makes it all worthwhile. Thank you.

  156. struth

    Yeah, good on you Tom.
    I think I have thanked you before, but just in case I haven’t…………………………

    Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and yours.

    I don’t seem to need a lot of sleep (interstate truck driving for many years) and often find myself about four in the morning looking at your posted funnies on the phone, while in bed and a half asleep Mrs Struth complains about the light from it.

  157. Tel

    Every single government contract would come up for renewal on the same day, the day after the election resut is announced.

    The government did not sign any contracts related to the NBN.

    How can there be a bunch of moderately educated people who have such difficulty understanding the basic design of a modern business? What do you guys do all day?? I thought you worked and stuff.

  158. John Constantine

    Australia, remember when their ABC used to lecture the proles that generous socialism spending was required because:

    “We are such a wealthy country?.”

    In yarragrad we are now so wealthy that rural open road speed limits on gravel are to be cut to seventy kilometers an hour from a hundred.

    Cheaper than fixing the roads.

    Our ability to force the proles to drive slower on broken roads is our strength.

    Comrades.

  159. Boambee John

    MV at 2223

    The NBNCo is a separate legal entity from “the government”, and “the government” has no liability with regards to legal obligations, including debts and contracts, incurred by the NBNCo.

    Such organisations usually have “nominal” shares, again usually held by a couple of ministers. In the case of NBN Co, the nominal shareholders are likely to be the Treasurer or Minister for Finance and the Communications Minister. The “shareholders presumably have the same influence on the board as shareholders in other companies? I don’t know, just asking.

  160. johanna

    Notice that my link to the Battle Hymn of the Republic didn’t work.

    Here it is.

    Dem Mormons sure can sing!

  161. zyconoclast

    johanna
    #2589711, posted on December 21, 2017 at 6:42 am
    Here’s a cheery, short, poppy little number for Cats who want a charge of music in the a.m.

    Driver’s Seat.

    Bop along!

    johanna
    Try this.

    Hook N Sling – The Best Thing

  162. zyconoclast

    Notice that my link to the Battle Hymn of the Republic didn’t work.

    Here it is.

    Dem Mormons sure can sing!

    I think this one is better.
    Battle Hymn of the Republic – The United States Army Field Band

  163. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Against revelations of egregious prosecutorial misconduct, and withholding Brady evidence from the defense, Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro has declared a mistrial in the federal case against Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/20/breaking-due-to-prosecutor-misconduct-judge-declares-mistrial-in-fed-case-against-cliven-bundy/#more-143646

  164. Boambee John

    m0nty at 2241


    It’s as elitist rentier bill written by swamp creatures to vote themselves massive loopholes. So, pretty much standard mainstream “D’rat” policy these days.

    Fixed that for you!

  165. The Moribund Barking Toad

    And a big +20 to Tinta’s comment too Tom.

  166. Tom

    WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump on Wednesday threatened to cut American aid to countries that back a United Nations resolution faulting the recent U.S. decision to declare Jerusalem Israel’s capital.

    “We’re watching those votes,” Mr. Trump said at the start of a meeting of his cabinet on Wednesday. “Let them vote against us—we’ll save a lot. We don’t care.”

    U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley on Monday vetoing a resolution calling on the U.S. to rescind its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. The question will be addressed anew in the General Assembly on Thursday.

    The U.N. General Assembly will meet Thursday in emergency session to vote on a measure the U.S. blocked earlier this week at the Security Council, which called on the Trump administration to rescind its decision to move the embassy and recognize Jerusalem as the capital. The measure had the support of all other members of the Security Council, including U.S. allies France and the U.K.

    U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley said Tuesday evening that the U.S. “will be taking names” at Thursday’s General Assembly vote.

    “We don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us,” Ms. Haley said on Twitter.

    In Thursday’s vote, the U.N. resolution, sponsored by Egypt, is expected to pass with a majority of 196 nations voting in favor, according to diplomats.

    Ms. Haley sent an email to ambassadors of U.N. member states on Tuesday saying she would report to Mr. Trump about any countries voting in favor of the resolution.

    “We will take note of each and every vote on this issue,” Ms.Haley said in the letter to diplomats. “As you consider your vote, I want you to know that the president and the U.S. take this vote personally.”

  167. Boambee John

    Malmo Does m0nty has really energised the doughnut king! He was absolutely frenetic last night.

  168. Zatara

    Germans Fear Tax Cut Will Spur US Investment and Growth

    German investment in the US is expected to rise by €39 billion because of lower US corporate taxes.

    When considering the changes in US outbound FDI [Foreign Direct Investment] and US inbound FDI, total investment within the US will increase more than in Europe once the tax reform is implemented. This means that despite the overall expansion after the US tax reform which is expected to foster FDI in all countries, the US will benefit disproportionally by additional inward FDI.

    Funny how everyone can see it except the Democrats.

  169. johanna

    Here is one of my favourites about about luv and all that.

    Tim Buckley, much betteer than his son, IMO.

  170. Gilas

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2589708, posted on December 21, 2017 at 6:37 am
    “manicomio e scrito di fuori”

    Hello Tintarella,
    Nark alert here:
    it should be “manicomio e scritto di fuori”

    Enjoy your Christmas festivities, as should all cats (yes, including our perennial nocturnal favourites).

  171. Leigh Lowe

    “We will take note of each and every vote on this issue,” Ms.Haley said in the letter to diplomats. “As you consider your vote, I want you to know that the president and the U.S. take this vote personally.”

    And what will Skeletor do?
    Side with Hezbollah/Hamas of course.

  172. Tel

    Such organisations usually have “nominal” shares, again usually held by a couple of ministers. In the case of NBN Co, the nominal shareholders are likely to be the Treasurer or Minister for Finance and the Communications Minister. The “shareholders presumably have the same influence on the board as shareholders in other companies? I don’t know, just asking.

    From the Statement of Corporate Intent 2012 to 2015:

    NBN Co Limited (NBN Co or the Company) was established on 9 April 2009 to implement the NBN policy initiative. NBN Co is a Government Business Enterprise (GBE) incorporated under the Corporations Act and operated under the Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997. NBN Co is wholly-owned by the Commonwealth of Australia, represented by two Shareholder Ministers­ the Minister for Finance and Deregulation and the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.

    So there’s two nominal “shareholders”, but anyway it’s clearly a Limited Liability company, so those shareholders are not liable for either contracts or debts.

    The executives of a Limited Liability company can (rarely) be held responsible if they trade while insolvent, however if the Commonwealth just declared “no more new funds for NBN” then very quickly the executives would figure out they were insolvent and declare the need for liquidators and bankruptcy court. Of course the Commonwealth would be unlikely to get anything back out of it — they would blow their investment, but we all know that’s going to happen anyhow. Temporary money pit, vs perpetual money pit.

  173. John Comnenus

    All the corruption from the Obama era is slowly oozing out. Congress is investigating this and that, but the DOJ won’t investigate anything except Trump.

  174. johanna

    Here’s one for anyone who has ever worked in a cubicle.

    When I worked in PM&C, this summed it up.

    GM, you are not the only one watching the solstice. As we know, it only gets hotter in the aftermath.

    Grumble.

  175. struth

    Exactly.
    Skeletor, Trump is watching.

    Aren’t our sickening integrity resistant, foul U.N puppets the most embarrassing filth there is.

    Australia, owned by the Saudis (U.N) and China directly, via Traitors.

    Now I thought Australian pollies might get forced to do something good for Australia economically once Trump shows the way and their hand is forced (to do up their pants) and straighten up.

    But it’s even worse for them.
    He’s calling them out as to what side they’re on.
    Global socialism or the west.
    Bets anyone?

  176. Tintarella di Luna

    Against revelations of egregious prosecutorial misconduct, and withholding Brady evidence from the defense, Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro has declared a mistrial in the federal case against Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/20/breaking-due-to-prosecutor-misconduct-judge-declares-mistrial-in-fed-case-against-cliven-bundy/#more-143646

    When it comes to Government cowboys and overreach the US has some rather dark history – this year was the 25th anniversary of the incident at Ruby Ridge

  177. nerblnob

    johanna
    #2589742, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:06 am
    Here is one of my favourites about about luv and all that.

    Tim Buckley, much betteer than his son, IMO…

    You linked the Mormons again.

  178. 132andBush

    Wow!
    The Cat had it’s very own Voldemort moment overnight.

  179. lotocoti

    Potential greatness.
    Only time and the Doomlord will tell.

  180. struth

    What are you doing Johanna?
    Check your links.

  181. Tintarella di Luna

    Gilas
    #2589743, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:09 am

    Of course, thank you Gilas – my Italian grammar is slipping – I blame the madness brought on by lack of sleep

  182. Rabz

    I blame the madness brought on by …

    … modern life (which is rubbish).

  183. John Comnenus

    Zatara our senior public servants, like Dr Martin Parkinson couldn’t see the effect US tax cuts will have on US FDI. The USA is the biggest FDI in Australia. I’d expect Aust investment to go significantly backwards due to 10years of economic lunacy from successive Australian Government including Abbott’s disastrous regime.

    Trump always had an excellent economic policy. People were just blinded by the name Trump and their certainty that he is a know nothing idiot.

  184. Leigh Lowe

    The producer of the ABC’s hatchet job podcast “Trace” has died of cancer.
    I wonder if they’ll be able to link that to a Catholic priest as well.

  185. struth

    As I stated when Trump won and everyone was talking about “winning”.
    WE haven’t won anything.
    It’s this basic.
    Socialism loses out to countries with less government control and tax.

    We are a socialist country.

    That’s why it’s so sinister for our education system to be brainwashing our kids on the failure of capitalism and the free market.

    Our kids have never experienced it.

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Trouble in Paradise.
    Solidarity is evaporating before our eyes.

  187. Baldrick

    The producer of the ABC’s hatchet job podcast “Trace” has died of cancer.

    Sad for the family, but on a side note, TheirABC likes to keep things in the family:
    Walkley Award-winning ABC radio producer Jesse Cox dead at 31
    Cox was husband to ABC TV executive producer Que Minh Luu
    Longtime friend and ABC personality Benjamin Law said he and partner Scott befriended the couple

  188. johanna

    FMD. I blame

    (a) society and

    (b) W10.

    Anyway, here’s the gorgeous Judith Durham as originally intended.

  189. Des Deskperson

    ‘And what will Skeletor do?
    Side with Hezbollah/Hamas of course.’

    Speaking of Skeletor, there is a picture in this morning’s print edition of the Canberra Times – and possibly in other Fairfax publications – of Skeletor slobbering over the hand of one of Kelly O’Dwyer’s kiddies at the new Cabinet swearing-in.

    I can’t find it on line and maybe just as well, as vomit is bad for keyboards.

    As I have posted before, DFAT the department is traditionally and viscearlily anti-Israel and that is how it will brief Skeletor.

  190. struth

    Johanna, you can check your links before you post them.

    Are you just having a laugh?

  191. stackja

    struth
    #2589765, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:32 am

    Socialists never experience socialism.

  192. Boambee John

    Tel at 0814

    NBN Co Limited (NBN Co or the Company) was established on 9 April 2009 to implement the NBN policy initiative. NBN Co is a Government Business Enterprise (GBE) incorporated under the Corporations Act and operated under the Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997. NBN Co is wholly-owned by the Commonwealth of Australia, represented by two Shareholder Ministers­ the Minister for Finance and Deregulation and the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy.

    Thanks for that, I wasn’t aware of the specific details for NBN Co, just going on previous practice.

    Further question: Does NBN Co hold an AGM? Can the shareholder ministers raise and vote on matters at such an AGM? What actual influence do the shareholder ministers have on the operations of NBN Co?

  193. Rabz

    The producer of the ABC’s hatchet job podcast “Trace” has died of cancer.

    The ALPBC – another cancer(ous) cluster, as well being a hotbed of domestic violence.

    Yet more evidence, if any was needed, that it needs to be shut down, toot sweet.

  194. stackja

    Des Deskperson
    #2589772, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:41 am

    DFAT ALP legacy.

  195. Baldrick

    A commercial radio station scores to ire of the taxpayer funded TheirABC for not towing the line:

    Dan Bourchier ✔ @Dan_Bourchier [ABC reporter]
    I’m a little unclear by TripleM’s decision to have a Hot100 countdown on Jan26 – knowing this is a fractured and uneasy space for so many. Your decision reeks

  196. stackja

    squawkbox
    #2589557, posted on December 20, 2017 at 11:00 pm
    I really doubt Abbott could have simply torn up the NBN co’s contracts at no cost.

    Good point. There really should be some legal provision that no government should be able to make contracts for a duration beyond the existing government’s term. Anything else is allowing government to govern beyond the grave.

    ALP created Medibank, NBN, NDIS etc.

  197. stackja

    Baldrick
    #2589780, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:50 am

    ABC hates competition.

  198. Rabz

    I simply cannot articulate in words how much I despise these monstrous sanctimonious hypocritical vermin.

  199. Boambee John

    stackja
    #2589778, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:47 am
    Des Deskperson
    #2589772, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:41 am

    DFAT ALP legacy.

    And yet, at least in his early days as PM, Hawke was strongly pro-Israel.

  200. Boambee John

    Rabz at 0852

    Not very diverse are they?

    Do as we say, not as we do?

  201. min

    Snowy pumped hydro feasibility study states that it can be done with cost increased by 50% . That will make it 3 billion I believe . What will that make the energy cost considering it will only produce a small amount?
    Turnbull will be crowing about this but who has done a cost benefit case?

  202. stackja

    Boambee John
    #2589784, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:53 am

    Bill Hartley comes to mind.

  203. notafan

    UN should rename itself

    United (against [email protected]@s) Nations

  204. johanna

    struth, those Charlie Danieles sounds are amazing.

    It’s like being in a slow moving stream, maybe in Lousiana, or something. Astonishing.

    I expect that it will bore many other Cats, but thanks for posting it.

  205. Baldrick

    Snowy pumped hydro feasibility study states that it can be done with cost increased by 50% . That will make it 3 billion I believe .

    The extra costs will mean it’s more likely to be between $3.8 – $4.5 billion.

  206. Bruce of Newcastle

    I blame the madness brought on by …

    … stress.

    Eight in 10 Americans Afflicted by Stress (Gallup via Drudge)

    Bookmark this study for when you next need an excuse. Maybe some bikie gang could start remanufacturing Bex.

  207. Zatara

    All the corruption from the Obama era is slowly oozing out. Congress is investigating this and that, but the DOJ won’t investigate anything except Trump.

    Not exactly. There is a division of the DOJ quietly burrowing its way through the swamp investigating the FBI and DOJ shenanigans during the election. It is called the DOJ Inspector General’s Office or IGO and their report is due out early next year.

    No leaks, no fanfare, the way a proper investigation is conducted.

    But one suspects that the explosions when it is finally released are going to be well worth the wait.

  208. stackja

    min
    #2589786, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:56 am

    Governments don’t do cost benefit?

  209. Leigh Lowe

    Boambee John

    #2589785, posted on December 21, 2017 at 8:55 am

    Rabz at 0852

    Exactly.
    Not a dusky visage or a slanty eye anywhere in sight.

    Not very diverse are they?

  210. John Comnenus

    DFAT is proof that the internationalist swamp is all over the Western world. Someone in Australia needs to drain the swamp by massively slashing the public service. But alas no one in Australian politics will do that.

  211. notafan

    Hey Mr Trumdill

    How much would a new coal fired plant cost?

  212. Dr Faustus

    Snowy Hydro 2.0 could actually cost as much as $4.5b — more than double the initial price tag

    Snowy Hydro Limited will release a feasibility study into the expansion today, claiming the project is both technically and financially able to go ahead.

    The company’s chief executive, Paul Broad, says the costs have increased from the initial $2 billion price tag, to somewhere between $3.8 and $4.5 billion.

    Based on Australian experience with hairy-arsed infrastructure projects, it is almost certain to cost much more than the upper value – particularly when nobody cares about the final cost, because OPM.

    Game changer…
    FMD

  213. Sydney Boy

    A commercial radio station scores to ire of the taxpayer funded TheirABC for not towing the line:

    Dan Bourchier ✔ @Dan_Bourchier [ABC reporter]
    I’m a little unclear by TripleM’s decision to have a Hot100 countdown on Jan26 – knowing this is a fractured and uneasy space for so many. Your decision reeks

    I’m going to celebrate Australia Day on Jan 26 and I’m going to have great time. Suck on that, boring ABC losers!

  214. John Comnenus

    The DOJ is investigating the leaks. They are not touching Uranium One, Clinton emails, Hezbollah etc, etc

  215. Des Deskperson

    ”DFAT ALP legacy.”

    No, it seems to have been there for decades, and I can’t really explain it, except perhaps that there are many Arab countries where Australia has a mission and only, of course, one Israel. in my observation, some diplos do have a tendency to empathise with countries to which they have been posted.

    Of course, the upper class crypto Commis who founded Foreign Affairs would have had anti-senmetic tendencies.

  216. Sydney Boy

    Leigh Lowe:

    Not very diverse are they?

    That’s for the OTHER political parties, don’t you know?

  217. notafan

    Would anyone sign a contract with a government entity if they knew it would be automatically rescinded on change of government?

    Most contracts are mundane, getting out of contracts should attract financial penalties.

  218. Rococo Liberal

    We need to machine-gun all of these distraction squirrels and start trying to find out why rich (in historical terms) couples don’t want big families.

    In some cases the need for more money to buy more of the glitzy consumenr goods that are now available will be a factor, or more likely the perception that more money is needed.
    I would have thought however, that feminism and widely available contraception, along with the rise of oikophobia amongst most of the left has something to do with it.
    The same demographic suicide happened in the Roman EMpire too, when, as Kenneth Clark rightly said, their civilisation became exhuasted.
    Those who should be leading us no longer believe in our culture. They have caught the surrender virus, that means that we must always give in to other cultures. We have to constantly worry about our ”privilege” and cannot just get on with living, but have to take up all our time with threshhold questions about race, sexuality, etc.
    And high culture has in effect quietly died, under the relentless attack of the avant garde and the popular, computer generated drivel so favoured by our American cousins. Think about it. When was the last piece of decent classical music composed? When since the Second WOrld War has anyone produced any art worth the name?
    So it’s no wonder people aren’t breeding so profusely. What with all the pleasures available in modern life and the weak-kneed ”leadership” from those who should be defending and enriching our civilisation.

  219. H B Bear

    No browns or yellows in The Greenfilth? Whiter than a Friends of the ALPBC meeting. All that diversity must be dumped in the outer suburbs.

  220. Tom

    Thanks, Rococo Liberal.

    Oikophobia.

    I like that it sounds like pig noises.

  221. min

    The 4.8 billion for Snowy Hydro does not include the powerlines needed to transfer electricity . Paul Broad CEO, claims return of 8% and up and running 2025. But also says that not all the rock thru which the tunnel goes has been checked yet , it runs through a fault line so wait for i ncrease costs..
    Can someone explain where the 8% comes free m?

  222. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Fortunately my boss is intent on changing the “culture” of the organisation in terms of how money is spent and increasing accountability for various budgets so that taxpayers’ money is better spent giving more value.

    Not an Irishman called Hairy who walks with a slight rolling gait is he?
    Or someone he trained in ‘change management’ IR skills, public sector version?
    Congratulations on the new job, Gab. Our taxes at work at last.
    Obviously a specialist in making good new hires is in charge. 🙂

    Wow, last night. Doomlord, to pinch a phrase, is very quick these days, isn’t he?

    We are decorating the Christmas tree today; we’re rather late this year.
    Much excitement here amongst the younger contingent.
    I bought two ‘Tartan with Buttons’ tree decorations at Wellington’s Old St. Paul’s wooden church.
    From the days when a pretty piece of cloth and a few buttons sufficed to thrill little children.
    Emergency dash to Westfields looking likely; last year’s Chinese Christmas lights have gone kaput.

  223. johanna

    Cripes, thanks to W10 or something, every link went to one place.

    I have no idea why.

    Let’s try again with Judith Durham.

  224. Geriatric Mayfly

    Not a dusky visage or a slanty eye anywhere in sight.

    Totally irrelevant these days. It is how they identify. I can definitely see a pygmy or two in there, a couple of Stalin’s clones, a whale, a Muslim Manus reffo, a woman who is a bloke, and all of them either brownies or at least off-white.

  225. struth

    Dan Bourchier @Dan_Bourchier [ABC reporter]
    I’

    m a little unclear by TripleM’s decision to have a Hot100 countdown on Jan26 – knowing this is a fractured and uneasy space for so many. Your decision reeks

    So many?

    They just got done over by the power of the real world.
    Exactly how it should happen.
    Private enterprise now owns the hot one hundred on Australia day.

    The “so many” can listen to tax funded shit on some other day.
    All 2% of the population.

    Thanks Johanna.
    I like music from all genres , but at the moment, the hot act in US “country” is Chris Stapleton and he is a lot more blues infused, so not so corny.

    His big hits are Broken Halo, and Tennessee Whiskey.

    I have played Broken Halo as one of my quieter songs in my gig, and it goes over well.

    I use a loop pedal so I record my rhythm playing through the verses and it then plays back (as long as I get the timing perfect with the pedal) and allows me to solo over it.
    There is no real solo in the original song so I don’t do much except bend a coupla notes and get the feel of it, just for colour as I’m doing the whole thing with just an acoustic.
    Australians don’t mind this stuff, generally, so I slide in one per gig, in between powderfinger, crowded house , Neil Young and all the other usual stuff.

    Broken Halos

  226. Zatara

    John C, my understanding is that this IGO investigation is pretty wide ranging and is addressing all DOJ and FBI actions relative to the 2016 election. From how they handled the Clinton email crimes, to wives of key FBI officials getting $750,000 donations to their campaigns, to secret tarmac meetings between former presidents and Attorneys General, etc. Possibly including the ongoing Meuller farce.

    Uranium 1 might be outside the scope of this one but it isn’t going anywhere, they can circle back to it.

  227. Boambee John

    Des D at 0910

    n my observation, some diplos do have a tendency to empathise with countries to which they have been posted.

    Read a (possibly apocryphal) story a while back of a Secretary of State in the US or Foreign Secretary in the UK, who, when being briefed by newly appointed ambassadors before their departure on posting, would ask them to indicate their capital city on a world map on the office wall.

    Those who indicated the capital city of the country to which they were posted were very firmly told that the relevant city was the capital of their home nation, not their host nation. Many of the future ambassadors probably just nodded and thought “Yeah, yeah, whatever”, but some might have got the message.

  228. Top Ender

    The wreck of submarine AE1 has been found.

    Will post more in a minute.

  229. Nick

    I’m a little unclear by TripleM’s decision to have a Hot100 countdown on Jan26 – knowing this is a fractured and uneasy space for so many. Your decision reeks

    Triple M should up the ante. 100 songs with the word ‘black’ in the lyrics or that mock political correctness.

  230. Nick

    uneasy space for so many.

    Hang on, aren’t they complaining there was genocide?

  231. Top Ender

    Missing WW1 submarine AE1 found with underwater camera

    The Australian
    8:56AM
    December 21, 2017

    A bold bid to locate the wreck of Australia’s first submarine has been successful, with the final resting place of 35 World War One servicemen off Papua New Guinea captured on underwater camera.

    The fate of AE1 has long been a mystery, with a three-day search after it disappeared on patrol in waters between New Ireland and New Britain on September 14, 1914, just seven months into service, proving fruitless.

    It can now be revealed the boat suffered a catastrophic failure, probably during a practice dive, and struck a hard rocky bottom southeast of the Duke of York islands group.

    Rear Admiral Peter Briggs told The Australian this morning that “the most likely cause of the submarine remains a diving accident” with the fin guardrails stowed and the upper conning tower hatch apparently shut.

    “The submarine appears to have struck the bottom with sufficient force to dislodge the fin from its footing, forcing it to hinge forward on its leading edge, impacting the casing,” Rear Admiral Briggs said.

    He said it appeared to have suffered a “post sinking, high energy event” that would have caused “rapid flooding of the submarine, probably near the surface”, in order to cause the rate of acceleration likely required to produce such damage.

    This could have been caused by any one of the vessel’s eight torpedoes, each fitted with guncotton warheads and high pressure air flask, or by its various high pressure air cylinders.

    As a result, he said, “when the end came for the men of AE1 it would have been very fast, they may well have not known what hit them”.

    The crew was comprised of British and ANZAC servicemen.

    “Bottom line (is), we have found our lost submariners, but understanding exactly what befell them is a work in progress and will require further detailed examination of the wreck with a different array of instruments and technology,” Rear Admiral Briggs said.

    The $1 million search, which began on Sunday, was jointly funded by the federal government and by a private enterprise consortium put together by Telstra chairman John Mullen.

    Rear Admiral Briggs, who is president of the Submarine Institute of Australia, led the mission aboard search vessel Fugro Equator.

    The precise location of the wreck, and even details of the time it was discovered, are being kept secret to protect it from unauthorised salvage attempts.

    It can be revealed, however, that it was resting at a depth of more than 300 metres.

    It was found using a drop camera equipped with colour video and stills capacity as well as lighting, with Rear Admiral Briggs praising the crew’s “great skill to position it over the wreck and manoeuvre the ship to in turn, move the camera, swinging in the current on the cable over 300m below, in the right direction to locate the wreck”.

    He said there was “probably little sedimentation to cushion the impact (and) the wreck is on a hard, flat bottom scoured by strong, seasonal currents”.

    Rear Admiral Briggs said further investigation would “almost certainly require further, forensic examination of the wreck using different technology”.

    It is understood there is no intention of attempting to retrieve the submarine, which is regarded as a war grave.

    The initial survey provided visuals only “down the starboard side and up the port side as far as the fin”, Rear Admiral Briggs said.

    However he was adamant that the results showed that “beyond a shadow of a doubt this is AE1”, meaning Australia’s oldest naval mystery was one step closer to being solved.

    There have been several previous attempts over the years to locate the vessel.

    Link

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