I think they think we’re idiots

From the great Canadian blog Small Dead Animals: Y2Kyoto: Blunder Down Under

Let’s take a visit to clean, green Australia where they gave up coal

In Australia, peak summer is about to hit in a post-Hazelwood-electricity-grid. There’s a suite of committee reports as summer ramps up. Everyday there’s another Grid story in the press, and a major effort going on to avoid a meltdown. Minister Josh Frydenberg announced today that “we’ve done everything possible to prevent mass blackouts”. Or as he calls it, a repeat of the South Australian Horror Show. Politicians are so afraid of another SA-style-system-black that they are throwing money: The “Snowy Hydro Battery” will be another $2 billion. Whatever. It’s other people’s money.

… to move to diesel.

Homes and businesses are so afraid of blackouts in Australia that some retailers are selling four times as many generators as normal. Mygenerator.com.au reports a 425% increase year on year. The strongest growth has been in South Australia, Victoria and western Sydney.

It’s probably nothing.

AN UPDATE ON THE LATEST EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING: From Drudge today:

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69 Responses to I think they think we’re idiots

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think they think we’re idiots

    Actually what it is is they Believe.
    They Believe they have to save the world.
    Even though it doesn’t actually need to be saved, since CAGW isn’t happening.
    That most of their voters don’t Believe makes no difference to them.
    They must save the voters from themselves.
    Faced with a chance to save the world politicians are inherently wide open to the messiah complex.
    They better hope they don’t get themselves crucified like the real Saviour.

  2. David Bidstrup

    Below is a piece I wrote in August this year. As usual the response was underwhelming.

    Snowy 2.0: Another dumb idea.

    I have been looking at the proposed “Snowy 2.0” project and present some numbers below that show that it is not much of an option.

    The output is claimed to be 350,000 MWh delivered in one week.

    Using a reasonable 80% efficiency for the scheme – basic physics tells us here are no “free lunches” – shows that around 440,000 MWh of power is needed to pump enough water to achieve the 350,000 MWh output. This power will come from “the grid”. The hope is that it will be from “large scale renewables”.

    Currently Australia’s installed capacity of wind power – the only large scale renewable resource – is 4,400 MW. On average, these plants operate at 30 to 35% of installed capacity so long term the output is 1,540 MW.

    So, to pump the water needed for the 350,000 MWh output needs the total Australian capacity of wind power for 12 days. That is 12 days without them putting any energy into the grid. At midday today, 28 August 2017, the combined wind power resources of Australia were producing 150 MW. At that output the pumping time to “fill” the system is 122 days.

    After expending all that time and power the scheme can then deliver 350,000 MWh. At midday today the total grid load was 24,000 MW so the Snowy 2.0 could keep us going for 14 hours and then need to be filled up again, using “grid power”.

    Considering the best case scenario, the time to “fill” is 12 days and the time to “empty” is 7 days giving a cycle of 19 days so there can be 19 of those cycles per year.
    Each cycle requires 437,000 MWh to fill and yields 350,000 MWh when that water is passed through the turbines. The deficit between power in and power out is 1,653,000 MWh per year, which means it costs 1,653,000 MWh to generate 6,650,000 MWh annually.

    Assuming that the unit cost of power in is equal to the unit cost of power out, and using a plug figure of $150 per MWh as a power cost the operating cost per year is $247,950,000.00 which equates to $37.00 per MWh.

    The project is “costed” at $2 billion. Using some simplistic loan repayments at 5% simple per year for a lifetime of say 100 years the interest per year is $120,000,000.00, giving an annual “financing” cost of $18.00 per MWh so the combined costs above whatever is received for power sales is around $55.00 per MWh.

    In summary, Snowy 2.0 is not a “new generator”; it is a nett user of power and imposes costs of around $55.00 per MWh on top of the revenue from power sales. This will be passed on to consumers in the time honoured fashion.
    It relies on intermittent power sources to fill the dam and there are many times when the performance of wind generators is abysmal to say the least.

    Pumped hydro was originally designed to make use of spare capacity from large thermal generators, usually overnight when demand was low.
    It was never envisaged to be used in conjunction with an intermittent power source which may not be available when needed.

  3. Up The Workers!

    “Finking”.

    Is not the A.L.P.’s strong point, which is why they tendered it out to intellectuals of the likes of Sarah Halfwit-Bung and Richard the III of the Brown Movement – which only goes to prove that “Finking” is not the A.L.P.’s strong point!

  4. Infidel Tiger

    Australia has the worst politicians in the free world.

  5. Confused Old Misfit

    You think they think we’re idiots?

    I think that we are idiots!

  6. Siltstone

    David Bidstrup
    #2594779, posted on December 27, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    +1
    Thanks for setting out the energy equation so clearly. No journalist in Australia it seems is capable of such calculations.

  7. Myrddin Seren

    I like the way Ben Pile of Climate-resistance has phrased it over the years, and this is a neat summary of his position:

    Climate advocacy has become a refuge for political no-hopers.

    …..climate champions are characterised by their disconnection from ordinary people and everyday life.

    Yet they nonetheless occupy positions of power and influence.

    Unsure of the mandate from below, the concentration of gasses in the atmosphere above gives the climate champion authority and secures their privilege.

    The political consensus on climate change, then, is not an agreement on climate change, but a compact to close ranks against the putative climate champions’ own worthlessness: a mediocracy is formed.

    At a press conference in Paris, UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon urged world leaders to ‘look beyond their national interest’ – that is, to ignore the wishes of their domestic populations. Climate change is presented as above such petty things as democracy.

    They just have to get the Proles frightened enough, and they will vote democracy away at The Last Election.

    At which point, Welcome to Panem and the Hunger Games.

    Probably explains why Labor union warlords and factional heavies are practically killing each other to get behind the Bollards of Protection via a nice, tasty seat in Parliament. For those on the outside of the Bollards, even union heavies, life may be looking downhill.

  8. Rayvic

    How can we have confidence in the reliability of electricity supply when politicians fail to understand that reliability declines with the ongoing closure of coal-fired baseload power stations?

  9. classical_hero

    We’re also turning to gas, which naturally caused a shortage.

    If you have not read the article posted by JC, in the open thread, you will see such stupidity we’re against. Even the previous US government wanted to destroy the economy, over fake climate change concerns.

  10. Brett

    We are idiots; for accepting the betrayal by our politicians without even a serious murmur.

  11. Tom

    The stupidest people on earth — the Trumble liberation front — now control the Australian economy. They’re almost as stupid as Australian big business, which is still pretending it won’t flee to the bull market of Trump’s America. The Australian economy is already technically in recession and no-one in charge gives a fuck. After all, they’ve just given control of our society to the poofter industrial complex. They just haven’t told the moozley suicide bombers who now control our immigration policy.

  12. Rabz

    Mass executions via the Shipping Containers of Peace™ would prevent a recurrence of the Mainland Taxmanian idiocy.

    Unfortunately, a certain roadside wombat* would be unable to partake in and enjoy the “assisted dying”.

    *Being already braindead.

  13. Tel

    Australia has the worst politicians in the free world.

    On the contrary, they are unbeatable politicians. The one thing they do brilliantly is politics.

    Unfortunately there’s a bunch of different things we might benefit from at a government level: leadership, common sense, thrift, good judgement, planning, basic understanding of cause and effect, clear thinking, etc. These are the missing pieces in the puzzle.

    Politics we have in abundance.

  14. jupes

    We – Australians – are indeed idiots. A couple of examples:

    1. Despite having the largest abundance of the cheapest forms of energy on the planet, we elect politicians who deliberately implement policies to effectively ban cheap, reliable energy and replace it with expensive, unreliable energy. This is claimed to “save the planet” despite the fact that it will have zero effect on global temperature and in any case, almost every other nation on earth is increasing the generation of the cheap form of energy, including that which we sell to them.

    2. We elect elect politicians who deliberately implement policies to bring third world savages to immigrate here. This is supposedly to signal to the world how virtuous and non-racist we are despite the fact that the savages, cost taxpayers billions of dollars, don’t integrate, have no respect for our laws or way of life, and an increasing portion of them attempt to kill us. Even when they kill Australians, our politicians and public servants make excuses for them using the most pathetic of excuses such as “not all Muslims are terrorist” or “Muslims are our greatest allies against terrorists”.

    I seriously doubt if a stupider nation has ever existed.

  15. dauf

    i think we are idiots so why should everyone else?

    Our policies are so stupid wrt energy and climate change, you wonder what else they ‘believe’ in…other than themselves that is

  16. 132andBush


    Australia has the worst politicians in the free world.

    Exactly what a majority of Australians deserve.

  17. egg_

    Australia has the worst politicians in the free world.

    +1

    World’s cheapest retail politicians.

  18. Peter

    “Politicians are so afraid of another SA-style-system-black that they are throwing money…..”
    Call me Mr Picky but honestly wouldn’t it be cheaper to buy a bloody great boiler then print lots of money and shovel it into the boiler to burn and generate electricity. These freaking politicians will do anything other than confront reality.
    I keep having to ask myself who are worse. The idiots on the Left who believe the bullshit about global warming. Or the cowards on the Right who are scared sh#tless of being called “deniers”.
    These guys don’t just think we are idiots though. We are idiots for continuing to fall for this shit and vote for them.

  19. Karabar

    Clearly there has been no ‘business case’ prepared other than that which David presents here.
    However, I understand the estimated cost to be more like $20 billion that $2 billion, which then makes the amortisation cost of $1.2 billion per year for an annual financing cost of $180 per MWh, not including the cost of operation and maintenance, or the risk imposed by any hydro development.
    Contrast this with the wholesale cost of electricity of $30 per MWh only a couple of years ago.
    And this Trumble character is supposed to be a banker? Gimme a break!

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    They Believe they have to save the world.
    Even though it doesn’t actually need to be saved, since CAGW isn’t happening.

    Here’s George Carlin’s take on the savers of the world

  21. I think they think we’re idiots

    So far they seem to be correct.

  22. Bob of Brisbane

    David Binstrup – Great article. Thank you. I think the cap cost is much higher than$2bn however; if so, that makes the economics even worse. Don’t think that Malcolm Turnbull and Co are stupid; they know exctly what they are doing. They are lining the pockets of big business. By any measure it verges on sedition.

  23. Bob of Brisbane

    David Bidstrup – Great article. Thank you. I think the cap cost is much higher than$2bn however; if so, that makes the economics even worse. Don’t think that Malcolm Turnbull and Co are stupid; they know exactly what they are doing. They are lining the pockets of big business. By any measure it verges on sedition.

  24. Whalehunt Fun

    At a press conference in Paris, UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon urged world leaders to ‘look beyond their national interest’ – that is, to ignore the wishes of their domestic populations. Climate change is presented as above such petty things as democracy

    And the appropriate response of a democratic government is to place a large bounty on the secretary-general and any allied officials. This cretin has declared war on democracy. Declarations of war need to result in massive, and I mean massive escalation. No, and I mean NO response is too extreme. Any response that is not extreme is insufficient and should be escalated. People should fear to even think his name let it escape their lips and everyone they care for is included in the response. Not just him, but even the thought of him must be removed.
    Sadly we do not have a government that will defend democracy. Nothing will be done because Turnbull is a worthless nothing. Pidgeons pass smarter things.

  25. Rob MW

    I think they think we’re idiots

    I’m struggling with this one; I can’t seem to prove them wrong. Both parties have assimilated into the same policy outcomes, becoming a single party state, therefore their policies cannot be defeated, unless of course, the Borg King dies masturbating at the sight of windmills.

  26. Chris M

    Mr Kates it would be interesting to hear your response to premier Jay Weatherills approach

    taxpayer-funded cash injection to attract lucrative new industries to move to South Australia because relying on the free market is “not going to get us anywhere”.

    And he is already doing this. If you front up with an exciting business idea he will give you money straight off, like a wealthy venture capitalists that isn’t so worried about trivial things like investment security.

  27. Art Vandelay

    taxpayer-funded cash injection to attract lucrative new industries to move to South Australia because relying on the free market is “not going to get us anywhere”.

    And he is already doing this.

    Both parties have been doing this in South Australia for a long time. The automotive industry is a good example. It hasn’t exactly worked out well.

  28. Bad Samaritan

    dauf (7.07pm) “Our policies are so stupid wrt energy and climate change, you wonder what else they ‘believe’ in…other than themselves that is”

    So when scamsters arrive at your dear old ageing mum’s place and convince her that she must give them a motza to repair non-existent problems with her roof and plumbing, these shysters are “idiots” or “stupid”, eh?

    Nope. They are in on the renewables scam. Just as they were/are in on the non-citizens scam; the travel rorts scam; the overpriced infrastructure scams; the budget deficit scam; the whale watching scams; the bicycle tour scams; …..and every other “stupid” scam they organize.

    These are not mistakes, nor are they cases of pollies being “bamboozled”. These politicians (and their near and dear) are getting a cut in every case. Example; Alex Turnbull, PM’s son and Infigen investor….https://stopthesethings.com/2017/03/13/born-lucky-stars-align-perfectly-for-pms-son-with-mammoth-bet-on-wind-power-outfit-infigen/….

    “Infigen backed up a $55 million loss in 2011/12 with an $80 million loss in 2012/13 and kept losing money: booking a $9 million loss in 2013/14; and racked up a whopping $304 million loss for 2014/15.

    Attempting to ‘explain’ its losses in 2013/14, Infigen pointed to …. wait for it … the wind – as the reason for a massive drop in revenues……The same ‘explanation’ was deployed, as Infigen tried to brush off its monumental $304 million loss for 2014/15 – once again levelling the blame on “particularly poor wind conditions”…..

    During its first incarnation as Babcock and Brown, these boys fleeced investors and creditors to the tune of something like $10 billion (while its directors pocketed – and somehow managed to retain – 10s of $millions at creditors’ and investors’ expense).

    Having spectacularly crashed and burned, Babcock and Brown then shamelessly phoenixed into Infigen. In 2015 it was all set to do it all over again: its losses continued to pile up, it continued to bleed cash, its share price continued to head in a general Southerly direction and its mountain of debt looked insurmountable”….Now, with that track record it would be a very bold punter indeed who would throw their own, or even someone else’s, money at Infigen.

    Defying the odds, the Prime Minister’s son, Alex Turnbull did just that.

    And his timing was impeccable, if not uncanny.

    Before we give a chronology of a remarkable run of coincidences, we’ll go back in time to March 2016 with this article from the Australian Financial Review…..

    Now you can read about how Turnbull Jnr’s investment vehicle made $400 Million out of the renewables scam whilst “stupid” politicians like his dad, handed them that money. Cheers.

  29. John Constantine

    The power blocks that draft up the transnational conventions that Julie bishop flies to Europe to sign have simple motivations.

    Weight of numbers means that African voting blocks controlled by liberation fighters like Mugabe and donors like China, and socialist voting blocks and narcostate voting blocks and the caliphate voting block can do whatever they want to crush their common enemies.

    The common enemy is the english speaking racist colonial settler societies of the west, being literally Nazis.

    Deindustrialising the west and sending all industry to the looting cartel as war reparations is something the general assembly will vote for.

    Demographically overthrowing english as a language of racism and colonialism, by balkanising english speaking countries through mass immigration of third world non english speakers is another thing that gets majority vote.

    What a brilliant idea julie bishop, to sign up to all this.

    The war against racism and colonialism is over, the West has capitulated and now all we have to do is pay war reparations and genocide our economies and be colonised in our turn by the victors.

  30. Robbo

    “It’s probably nothing.”

    Nothing to see here folks, mainly because it’s dark and the lights don’t work.

  31. flyingduk

    quite right, since the multiple lengthy outages in SA last year, I have gone from 1 small suitcase generator to an assortment of 6, with a total output over 15kV. Carbon neutral *that* mofo!

  32. manalive

    Minister Josh Frydenberg announced today that “we’ve done everything possible to prevent mass blackouts”

    I think he was quoting advice from the Australian Energy Market operator, the responsible minister hiding behind Quango advice.
    Nonetheless from the government, it’s a lie.

  33. manalive

    The stance the government is adopting is fascinating, as if the power crisis were due to some natural disaster or nation-wide Y2K-type problem, circumstances beyond there control, whereas it’s entirely their fault their responsibility and only they can fix it.

  34. Boambee John

    Bad Samaritan at 0554

    Defying the odds, the Prime Minister’s son, Alex Turnbull did just that.

    And his timing was impeccable, if not uncanny.

    Before we give a chronology of a remarkable run of coincidences, we’ll go back in time to March 2016 with this article from the Australian Financial Review…..

    Now you can read about how Turnbull Jnr’s investment vehicle made $400 Million out of the renewables scam whilst “stupid” politicians like his dad, handed them that money. Cheers.

    If it had been a child of Howard or Abbott who had made such a “fortuitous” investment, the screeches from Their ABC and Fauxfacts would have been heard on Pluto.

  35. Chris M

    I have gone from 1 small suitcase generator to an assortment of 6, with a total output over 15kV.

    Is that kW or are you building a backyard lightning machine? Be sure to claim back the excise on all the fuel you burn…

  36. Nerblnob

    Diesel gennies always had to be a winner when countries start switching to wind and solar.

    It’s hard to find any numbers conforming this though. I was looking at Aggreko and elsewhere.

    Where’s the source of the “425%” claim?

    The My Generator site that is linked to is just a sales site.

  37. Boambee John;

    Now you can read about how Turnbull Jnr’s investment vehicle made $400 Million out of the renewables scam whilst “stupid” politicians like his dad, handed them that money. Cheers.

    How uncommonly like the serendipitous Rudd windfall.

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Turnbull is focused on his grandchildren as are those he is deceiving with his ‘climate’ scam. Poor old pensioners deceived by anti-Trump green MSM climate lies pay up those unaffordable bills in the name of saving the planet for their grandchildren. They sit in cold winter shivers and hot summer sweats in homes with the lights turned off in all rooms but one, and even that one light is flickering on and off. Their grandchildren will not have jobs, nor electricity. And as a double whammy for the grandparents, their children were blinded at school and university to accept the climate scam as holy writ and to vote for it regardless of any truths about it. Turnbull is now proceeding to throw the whole economy into making water flow uphill to maintain his ludicrous but personally financially rewarding love affair with the climate scam. His family, our money.

    The Turnbull Christmas card this year featured his grandchildren; whose daddy he has just made very rich indeed via the climate scam. Absolutely outrageous trickery. Immoral. Very immoral, and very ‘unnoticed’ by our media.

  39. We are idiots. Weatherdill was re-elected.
    ALP windmill lovers re-elected in QLD.
    ALP power station vandals in Victoristan will probably be re-elected. Not that it matters the Libs are just as bad.

    We are idiots.

  40. Terry

    South Australia is a mutated experiment gone very wrong.

    Time to un-plug the extension cord, cut up their credit card and put up the wall.

    We can have a 12 month amnesty (while the wall goes up) for the sane to escape and to allow us some time to organise most of the politicians from other parts of the country and every bureaucrat in Canberra to relocate to their idea of Utopia…

    …THEN…it’s ‘Iron Curtain’ time baby.

    We solve all of our prison, landfill and nuclear waste dump problems instantly.

    And after the wall’s finished, we gotta start working on the moat and some kind of way to start towing them offshore (who doesn’t need another Tassie).

  41. min

    Until I told him about Erik Thorvalson aka Erik the Red, Josh Frydenberg knew nothing of the Medieval warming , or that top summer temperature in Greenland today is 9 degrees, hardly warm enough to grow crops. He is bright well read but surrounded by Greenies in Turnbull’s office, so how do you reckon the average Barry Battler out there understands Climate Change or would read NASA report on decline in sunspots and that winter is going to get more snow than last etc in Northern hemisphere..
    Local “idiots” live in propaganda loaded news and do not have a clue except this is the hottest year and think polluting generators will keep the power on.

  42. Terry

    knew nothing of the Medieval warming

    He is bright well read

    Both cannot be true, at least on this subject.

  43. nerblnob

    You can’t trust people claiming to care for future generations when they clearly don’t care for current ones.

  44. Dr Fred Lenin

    Next election at any level federal. State. Local ,vote against the sitting member. no matter how good ,throw the political aparat and elitists into total confusion . Once they get it sort of sorted again it will be time for the next election ,we do it again vote sitting members out again , starve the aparat and their collaborators of taxpayers money,watch the left and the smart asses shrivel and disappear. Once the People whave established total control ,start telling the establishment what to do . Would n]be a great movement towards genuine Democracy mruk]le by referendum ,put a leash on the elites.

  45. Rob

    The point to remember about hydro or pumped storage is that the daily electricity demand on our electricity grid fits a regular pattern of peaks and troughs yet cheap base load generation needs to run at a steady and carefully considered output 24 hours a day.
    Hydro generated electricity is ideal for meeting the daily peaks in demand and cheap base load generation (from coal or nuclear plant) is ideal for filling pumped storages during troughs or times of lower demand.

    As long as idiot governments insist on using massive amounts of taxpayer funds to build intermittent wind and rooftop solar installations, then at the very least, all consequential generation should go into pumping up storages and not be forced into the grid to displace base load generation. No taxpayer subsidies for these bothersome and unpredictable power sources, just pay the owners of wind and solar for the electricity produced when pumped storages are drained.

    If government’s insist on building wind and solar as their response to the BS and bullying of activists, then let the necessary subsidies be provided by specific annual budget allocations and not deceptively fund this utter folly by simplistically ramping up electricity prices.
    Meeting the above fundamentals will ensure the cheapest possible electricity for all users.

  46. old bloke

    min
    #2595144, posted on December 28, 2017 at 10:11 am

    Until I told him about Erik Thorvalson aka Erik the Red, Josh Frydenberg knew nothing of the Medieval warming , or that top summer temperature in Greenland today is 9 degrees, hardly warm enough to grow crops. He is bright well read but surrounded by Greenies in Turnbull’s office,

    I don’t care who he is surrounded by, he is the Minister responsible so he’s where the buck stops.

    We are idiots, we continue to re-elect these liars and charlatans when there are political parties which promise to end all renewable subsidies. I’ve got no patience with the average Australian voter, they grumble about this and complain about that, yet they go and vote for more of it.

    We are a nation of idiots.

  47. Dr Fred Lenin

    All this criticism of our Minimum Leaders Snowy scheme is misguided,the man is a bloody genius.he has invented Perpetual Motion brilliant mind that . People like David Bidstrup, who actually know what they are talking about are not welcome at our MinimumLeaders office ,makes the dickheads there feel as inferior as they really are . It will probably be financed by goldman sachs through the Cayman Islands branch ,it’s rum by people who can’t go back to the USA as there’s a warrant out for their apprehension

  48. stackja

    old bloke
    #2595205, posted on December 28, 2017 at 11:15 am

    Josh Frydenberg went to school in 1970s-1980s. History probably not a subject.

  49. Josh Frydenberg went to school in 1970s-1980s. History probably not a subject.

    I went to school in the 1950s-1960s. Computing was not a subject. Your point is . . .

  50. Dr Fred Lenin

    Must tell you all,a guy says,
    “I don’t like Italian food much ,you have a meal and five days later you are hungry again” .

  51. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2595218, posted on December 28, 2017 at 11:29 am
    Josh Frydenberg went to school in 1970s-1980s. History probably not a subject.

    I went to school in the 1950s-1960s. Computing was not a subject. Your point is . . .

    ‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.’ The quote is most likely due to writer and philosopher George Santayana, and in its original form it read, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

  52. old bloke

    stackja
    #2595214, posted on December 28, 2017 at 11:25 am

    Josh Frydenberg went to school in 1970s-1980s. History probably not a subject.

    OK, if I was to accept that the man is just ignorant rather than a charlatan, that doesn’t improve his standing in my opinion. However you spin it, he is unfit for a ministerial position.

  53. min

    Not many my age, OBE , know about Medieval warming or Erik the Red . Less history taught these days and another friend, maybe 15 yrs younger ,with a Cambrige degree, honorary Degree Swinburne and friend of Alan Duffy there , thinks Medieval Warming caused by Gulf Stream and it did not happen in Southern hemisphere. Even when I pointed to the the scientific proof that it had occurred where there was no Gulf Stream he still continues with same beliefs.

  54. John Constantine

    He would know of the medieval warming period.

    Politicians people skills mean that they are better off playing dumb, thanking the voter for telling them something they didn’t know and assuring the voter that the topic will be intensely studied as a matter of urgency.

    Easier than having a debate, when you have already signed the transnational convention and committed to an unswerving course of action.

  55. Bruce

    Be careful when you wish for “strong leadership”: You (and the rest of us), might get it….good and hard and often.

  56. Jim

    On board with many things Libertarian especially free speech but I did study physics and climate science (was in many of Ian Plimers classes) and speaking for myself I’ve seen enough evidence to say that global warming in happening and caused by us. I realise that the globalist sh*tbags will use any crisis to increase centralised control but the right is making a huge mistake in ignoring climate science, it is like the left ignoring the biological differences between men and women. The solution to climate change can decrease government power, things like distributed solar (lower prices, personal control of energy) and and electric cars (i.e. not donating money to oil toting religious maniacs in the middle east) libertarians should not throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to global warming.

  57. mh

    Imagine how cold it would be over there if China hadn’t been opening coal-fired power stations every week.

  58. mh

    Imagine how cold it would be over there if China hadn’t been opening coal-fired power stations every week.

    Yes, before anyone else says it, exactly the same temperature.

  59. mh

    Liberty Quote
    The circus in Copenhagen and “climategate” fed scepticism.

    — Julia Gillard

    And the freezing temperatures.

  60. Leo G

    These are not mistakes, nor are they cases of pollies being “bamboozled”. These politicians (and their near and dear) are getting a cut in every case. Example; Alex Turnbull, PM’s son and Infigen investor….

    I infer from the linked articles that new renewables projects under the RET legislation are underpinned by Large-scale Renewable Generation Certificates- which may be regarded as Large-scale Renewable Graft Certificates for those privileged with insider knowledge of the associated investment decisions signaled to government by China’s state investment corporations.

  61. classical_hero

    Karabar, the business case is other people’s money. Plus saying the right words.

  62. Crossie

    Infidel Tiger
    #2594783, posted on December 27, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    Australia has the worst politicians in the free world.

    I keep telling the same to my grandchildren and hope they will demand better quality of representatives when they are old enough to vote.

  63. Crossie

    Thanks for setting out the energy equation so clearly. No journalist in Australia it seems is capable of such calculations.

    In addition to stupidest politicians we also have the stupidest journalists.

    Are we already in the Second Dark Ages or is this the darkness before the dawn?

  64. overburdened

    Nerblnob every site for any request for working out what’s the least expensive in both outlay and return is a business coz that’s the plan. It’s great- even people who carry on here are in the loop. It’s the way Governments should work. The punters pay for the infrastructure directly by putting up the panels etc and the Government pretends that the tax churn makes the product cheaper so you’re getting a good deal, such as it is.
    The flaw imo is that there is no future lasting win for the Government, because unlike stuff like unleaded petrol and the Diabetes Primary Health plan, the global fireball world catastrophic thingy will not be anything but a drain on the economy, mainly because it’s bullshit. If I am wrong it hope it hits all of a sudden so there is no lingering suffering. Like a comet, which is more likely.

  65. On the contrary, they are unbeatable politicians. The one thing they do brilliantly is politics.

    But it’s so simple.

    The better the politician, the more dishonest he/she is. The only reason politicians don’t lie is because there are more effective ways to be fundamentally dishonest.

    The real enemy are the idiots who take anything a politician says as fact.

  66. Walter Plinge

    I’m in Melbourne. I bought a generator earlier in the year, which I start and run for 10 minutes once a month. Robert Gottliebsen recommended buying one. I also have a box box of extension leads I can run to all corners of the house.

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