Maybe weather really is climate after all

Now updated with the above video from 1977.

I fear we are looking at a breath of sanity in the midst of madness, but enjoy it while you can.

Trump mocks global warming in tweet

President Trump mocked the idea of global warming in a tweet Thursday, making one of his first (if not the first) such public comments on the topic since entering the White House almost a year ago.

In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

Why it matters: Trump has tweeted in the past that he thinks global warming is a hoax, but that was in 2012 and he has not focused on the topic much at all in his Twitter activity as president. This tweet shows he’s still openly mocking mainstream climate change science, even without directly questioning it.

Fast facts: Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor to Earth’s aggregate temperature going up this past century. That does not mean, though, that freezing cold weather, like the East Coast is experiencing right now, won’t happen in the future in many parts of the world. Climate change science is much more complicated than that, but citing cold weather is still a favorite line of politicians and others who doubt climate change is happening. Sen. James Inhofe, Republican from Oklahoma, threw a snowball on the Senate floor in February 2015 to mock global warming.

One level deeper: Trump’s tweet was also mocking the Paris climate deal, a global accord virtually every country in the world except the United States supports. It calls on countries to cut greenhouse gas emissions, but as it stands the commitments wouldn’t cut emissions to the levels most scientists say is needed. America’s commitment under President Obama was actually relatively moderate — up to 28% cut in such emissions by 2025 based on 2005 levels, but the Trump administration pointed to conservative groups’ studies showing it could cripple the U.S. industrial economy while other countries, notably China, were called on to do less.

Between the lines: The Trump administration released without political influence a statutorily required reportearlier this year confirming in great depth that human activity is driving climate change. Trump’s tweets get a lot of attention, but make sure to also watch what the administration does or doesn’t do on this issue.

The bottom line: Words matter, and so do the president’s tweets. His perspective on this issue is influencing his most ardent followers, a new poll suggests. A survey released in October from George Mason University found that just 21% of conservative Republicans think global warming is mostly human-caused, a decrease of nine points since earlier this year.

One more thing: The semantics around climate change, or global warming, are almost as divisive as the science itself. Global warming was the default term up until the last decade or so, when climate change became more popular among those urging action to cut greenhouse gas emissions. That shift was partly to respond to comments like Trump made Thursday by clarifying that a higher global aggregate temperature does not mean the entire planet would be getting universally warmer.

And for interest, you can follow the entire twitter conversation here. It’s an astonishing thread.

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42 Responses to Maybe weather really is climate after all

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    Deep cold is affecting much of the US today. Likewise also there’s been plenty of snow in the UK. I saw a little of the Spanish news on SBS at lunchtime today: lots of snow there too.

    Lots of “weather”. And maybe more “weather” to come…

    7 New (2017) Papers Forecast Global Cooling, Another Little Ice Age Will Begin Soon (yesterday)

    In recent years, the Earth has unfortunately left a period of very high solar activity, the Modern Grand Maximum. Periods of high solar activity correspond to multi-decadal- to centennial-scale warming.

    Solar scientists are now increasingly forecasting a period of very low activity that will commence in the next few years (by around 2020 to 2025). This will lead to climate cooling, even Little Ice Age conditions.

    This graph is of especial interest since it shows the empirical relationship between cloud cover and temperature. Unfortunately we tend not to see good data on cloud cover, which is odd since you’d think it’d be easy to measure from space. The expectation is as the Sun goes into a weaker activity period that cloud cover will increase. Therefore more solar radiation will be reflected and the Earth will cool.

    The climateers don’t like to talk about this because if they were forced to notice it they’d be forced to agree that the Sun caused at least half the warming last century, not CO2. That would be fatal for their budgets.

  2. pbw

    The thread is just distressing. So many scientists!

    Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor to Earth’s aggregate temperature going up this past century.

    What about the century before that?

  3. egg_

    Is Trump666 aware of Tim Blair’s “Gore Effect”?

  4. stackja

    What about past centuries before Al Gore invented AGW?

  5. JohnA

    No, sorry it is not a breath of sanity but is actually unpicking the Trump tweet and reinforcing the CAGW mantra.
    “Most scientists agree” always invites the Einstein response “It would only take one scientist” – this is not a majority voting system but rigorous scientific method aiming to discover what is really happening
    “Virtually every country in the world” has NOT signed the Paris deal, only the winners and the stupid losers (including Australia).
    The statutory report “National Climate Assessment” was dissected (and the vivisection reported here, I believe) to demonstrate that the executive summary as quoted above “confirming in great depth that human activity is driving climate change” was a) not supported by the detailed findings buried in the report and b) was already fudging by making the statement “driving climate change” without stating to what extent.

  6. zyconoclast

    Tony Abbott was unavailable for comment.

  7. mh

    I’m a GenX-er and this warming hysteria has gone on most of my life. Children won’t know what snow is, the ski fields will be shut down, pacific islands are about to disappear underwater, the barrier reef will be gone. FFS, none of this happened.

  8. Muddy

    Release the killer rabbits.

  9. mh

    Instead of dishonouring the deaths of six million in the past, climate deniers risk the lives of hundreds of millions in the future. Holocaust deniers are not responsible for the Holocaust, but climate deniers, if they were to succeed, would share responsibility for the enormous suffering caused by global warming.

    — Clive Hamilton

    Fucking moron.

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No, sorry it is not a breath of sanity but is actually unpicking the Trump tweet and reinforcing the CAGW mantra.

    It certainly is. These are comments from the warmist left perspective; riddled with it.

    Trump is a climate realist. Let’s call things by their proper descriptors. Being a realist is not being a ‘denier’ as with ‘holocaust denier’, but looking at the empirical data and drawing sensible conclusions. The planet regularly has short periods of warming and cooling as do many homeostatic systems; it is also subject to other forces, such as axial tilts, changes in our sun, and things such as asteroids in outer space ramming into it. Recent anthropogenic increases in CO2 haven’t fulfilled the hopes of the left by proving to be a dangerous source of warming; any increase seems so far to be fairly benign, acting on the carbon cycle as a plant food and thus an enabler of more plant-produced oxygen. Measurement is the basis of science and much of this speculation is just that, and not easily accessible to accurate measurement. Clouds are pesky things in all of their theorizing too: very cloudy. Let alone the complexities of the oceans and the clouds in combo.

    Breathe easy, and built a few modern coal-fired power stations to maintain ourselves a step ahead technologically to meet anything the planet throws at us. Ice Ages are much tougher than a little warming.

  11. We’re all gunna fry!
    We’re doomed, doomed I tells ya.

  12. The end is nigh!

    If we are all saved, it will prove Trump is god.

  13. Tel

    Trump mocks global warming in tweet

    As if “global warming” were some kind of easily offended deity who shalt not be mocked.

  14. Muddy

    Headline: “Trump holds toothbrush in both hands.”
    Subheader: “Gerontologists conclude early dementia.”

  15. ACTOldFart

    The semantics around climate change, or global warming, are almost as divisive as the science itself. Global warming was the default term up until the last decade or so, when climate change became more popular …

    There is a whole world of dishonesty in those 2 sentences. “Climate change” became more popular as a term when the alarmists failed to find any consistent substantial warming, and naughty, recalcitrant reality diverged from the warming predictions of their wobbly models. Then, in turn, “climate change” was replaced by “climate disruption” as the alarmist cliche du jour. This was because no consistent direction for climate change could be found – some glaciers shrank, others grew; sea levels rose in some places, but some oceanic islands actually increased in land area. You can only wonder what the next dishonest, slippery evasion will be – “climate getting cross and stamping its foot” perhaps?

    I really do think the kindest thing we could do for the climate scientists and panic mongers would be to buy them a little trolley, on which they could mount the goal posts of what ever it is they are trying to fob off on fools (are you there Mr Whatadill?). The goal posts could then be moved around as reality continues to disappoint and evade their dud predictions. But the climate scientists and other tax hoovers needn’t worry, I am sure the wheels of the little trolley could be kept nice and squeaky.

  16. Alan

    It wasn’t just Leonard Nimoy narrating a 1978 doco … There was unquestioned “scientific consensus” of global cooling spanning that entire decade!

    But “Bruce of Newcastle” raises an important point. The tide may turn against the “science” of Anthro-CO2 propaganda, and the propagandists would surely be aware of this.
    It could be possible for them to maintain the Anthro-CO2 narrative by artificially “tying” the cooling to massive legally enforced global CO2 reductions.
    How? Maybe start with UN World Bank *Universal* Financial Access by 2020. REAL personal.
    Global socialism via the UNFCCC: “First time the world economy is transformed intentionally
    See also: United Nations “Mission 2020 global
    United Nations – Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda (many references to “2020”)

  17. Fast facts: Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor to Earth’s aggregate temperature going up this past century.

    Most scientists actually don’t believe this, it’s a meme that’s been perpetrated because of a very faulty survey (a fact ignored because it doesn’t fit the cause).

    Most scientists who do believe in this are trough feeders whose livelihood depends on green grants (no bias whatsoever).

    Also, many of these scientists have no qualifications in climatology or related fields, they just attach everything they do to ‘climate science’ (it pays).

  18. Biota

    Doesn’t matter what happens with the weather, CAGW/Climate Disruption/Climate Disruption is totally unfalsifiable. It is a tenet of faith, a cause that humans are destroying the once pure earth and should themselves be destroyed. I think this will take several generations (if humanity lasts that long) to finally become a museum piece of history. But then it will be something else to satisfy that underlying drive.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/28/record-breaking-winter-cold-dont-worry-the-climate-explainers-have-it-covered/

  19. manalive

    Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor to Earth’s aggregate temperature going up this past century …

    Even the IPCC doesn’t make that claim.
    The supposed temperature rise ~1900 – 1945 could not possibly be due to human fossil fuel emissions.

  20. Chris M

    Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor

    No ‘most’ scientists don’t agree this reason is the primary contributor. And hydrocarbons aren’t ‘fossil’ fuels.

  21. JC

    mh
    #2596111, posted on December 29, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    Instead of dishonouring the deaths of six million in the past, climate deniers risk the lives of hundreds of millions in the future. Holocaust deniers are not responsible for the Holocaust, but climate deniers, if they were to succeed, would share responsibility for the enormous suffering caused by global warming.

    — Clive Hamilton

    Fucking moron.

    No he’s not. He’s not a moron at all. He’s a very bad person bordering on evil intentioned. Never underestimate opponents.

  22. JC

    Tel
    #2596144, posted on December 29, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    Trump mocks global warming in tweet

    As if “global warming” were some kind of easily offended deity who shalt not be mocked.

    It’s a religion to some zombies.

  23. Caveman

    It seriously does your head reading the twitter shit and im retarded anyway.

  24. Tom

    Trump loves playing with these retards. The stupidest people ever born are cool fun for natural predators to play with — mice for cats. I’m waiting for the follow-up tweet. I hope he doubles down. But it will drive them insane if he doesn’t. Win-win.

  25. Rabz

    I’m a GenX-er and this warming hysteria has gone on most of my life.

    Yep. In the second half of the seventies we were hysterically “informed” that we’d all freeze to death and then in 1989 (after the almost decade long “Ozone layer hole” scare had run out of o2) the same loathsome marxist hippie wrongologist deadshits all started screeching that we were going to fry.

    They’ve been furiously attempting to polish the fact and evidence free anti-scientific turd that is “catastrophic human induced climate change” ever since.

    I’ve lost more than a few friends and family in the last almost three decades as a result of refusing to swallow that preposterous horseshit sandwhich.

    The gullible frigging idiots.

  26. egg_

    But the climate scientists and other tax hoovers needn’t worry,

    How much is TheirABC in bed with the climate carpetbagger tax hoovers, given the overt plugging for the ’cause’ that they do?

  27. Rob MW

    The thread is just distressing. So many scientists!

    Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor to Earth’s aggregate temperature going up this past century.

    What about the century before that?

    Actually; what about the two centuries before that century ?

    Seems that our beloved Weather Scientists(tm) think that any increase in the temperature that warms an ice age is very, very, very, very, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump bad. God bless their cotton socks !

  28. overburdened

    To whoever related Mr Trump to Jo B-P feeding the chooks, hats off.

  29. overburdened

    Joh (gender fluid faux pas)

  30. overburdened

    Now I don’t know whether to be a baby boomer and a generation xer. I think the time frame is a bit prescriptive.

  31. Jimf

    Securing global consensus on climate change is one thing . The bigger issue (and the point that the Donald is making surely), is if it’s so real and planet threatening, then why can’t the UN find a way to equitably get every nation (even the gunk spewing types like China and India) to pull their weight? No sane western leader (oxymoron I’ll agree) should ever sign up to economy destroying penalties while others get a free run. If investment in costly uneconomic eco strategies is made across the board by all then there’s no relative disadvantage. Sure, we’ll all be stupid but at least it’s a stupidity that’s shared by all. Right now the UN wants to fuck over nations like the US and the dumb-willing Euros.

  32. manalive

    Securing global consensus on climate change is one thing … why can’t the UN find a way to equitably get every nation (even the gunk spewing types like China and India) to pull their weight …

    Jimf (11:29 pm) you seem to misunderstand what the issue is about — it’s not about air pollution, it’s about CO2 emissions.
    Carbon dioxide (CO2) is odourless (you can’t smell it) and colourless (you can’t see it), the “gunk” you see here is not CO2 but smog i.e. water vapour, particulates and chemicals like sulphates etc.
    Sure there is CO2 in the air in that photo but is in the air everywhere at about the same concentration of ~0.04%, is absolutely harmless at that concentration (around 0.35% in submarines) and is essential for plant photosynthesis and hence for life on Earth.
    Commercial growers pump CO2 into their greenhouses to stimulate plant growth.

  33. Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld

    As I have commented before, I am a total atheist on climate change as per the “scientists”. One thing is certain very few if any ever bothered to study climate history for the last 2000 years. If they did find honest and truthful material, it would show cyclic fluctuations over and over with extreme heat and drought, vast floods and destruction, brutal storms that lasted days, like the Great Storm of 1703. We are conned every other day by a mob of galahs on computers doing projections, just think, junk into computer, junk out of computer. As yet our computers can’t tell us we are wrong, a pity really, they soon highlight a spelling error. Weather was, is and always will be cyclic whether we like it or not.

  34. Peter S

    Thanks for the video link Steve. It brings back memories. Of course it begs the question which is worse – cold or heat? Of course the answer is obvious.

  35. egg_

    it begs the question which is worse – cold or heat?

    It’s now “climate disruption” – do keep up!

  36. truth

    ‘Most scientists agree human activity, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, has been the primary contributor to Earth’s aggregate temperature going up this past century …’
    Presuming it refers to John Cook’s ridiculous 97% ‘survey’…what on earth does it take to knock that mad ‘science’ on the head…not even admission by the authors of the massive faults in their methods and conclusions can put this mad dog down apparently.

    It’s a disgrace to the Australian University that facilitated it ..and a stain on Australia …that it survives….IMO

    We simply can’t trust ANYTHING any more….certainly not in the sphere of climate or energy!
    It’s what happens when the Left completely captures the institutions including the MSM which is crucial to the Left’s plan because MSM ‘journalists’ operate as the Praetorian Guard protecting the treasonous LW subversives.

    Commonsense is the only defence…but there’s little of it around.

    ‘Most scientists agree’ = the mad consensus.

    This whole boondoggle was only of 10-20 years duration before the PAUSE which was admitted explicitly by UNIPCC AR5 and confirmed this year as ONGOING…by the UK MET I think.

    It began with the ICE AGE SCARE of the mid-1970s…with some of the alarmists of today alarming the world about ‘the coming ice age’ back then.

    THAT ended with a completely NATURAL warming event in the late 1970s…an ocean upwelling …The Great Pacific Climate Shift…which was followed in 97/98 by the entirely NATURAL uber-ElNino…which raised global temperature to a new plateau.

    Since ’98…THE PAUSE.

    What sort of a ‘trend’ is THAT on which to base the rejigging of the whole world…the destruction of economies…deprivation of progress….trillions wasted… in the name of a mere blip [ a natural one]… in the earth’s history.

    If the earth wasn’t slightly warming as it emerges from the LIA what would we expect it to be doing….ICING UP…how much trouble would we be in then ?

    OF COURSE the earth is slightly warming…or we’d have been deep in ICE by now.

    SOMETHING UNKNOWN ended the LIA by warming the earth…that warming CAUSED CO2 to rise…the CO2 rise amplifies the already existing warming with an 800 year LAG-that’s what we’re experiencing….and the LW ‘scientists’ who’ve taken over once trusted and revered institutions…now hold much of science and all of us HOSTAGE to their LIES.

    The ‘ primarily through the burning of fossil fuels’ part of the comment is the Left’s useful part of their dodgy consensus that was declared …along with the science being ‘closed’ ..’over’…decades ago when hardly ANY of the research was even done…when the 70% of the earth that’s OCEAN could NOT even be reliably measured..that only becoming possible from 2005…when no significant rise in ocean temperature was the finding of the ARGO float system…before that faulty XBT floats were used and before that… BUCKETS!
    The consensus was declared and enforced when no CLOUD research had been done ..and even now they’re not sure whether the feedback is positive or negative…they don’t know the level of sensitivity of the earth’s climate to a doubling of CO2…and that could not be more VITAL…and FGS satellite measurement of earth’s temperature didn’t begin until the 70s…so they’re comparing measurements taken by non-scientists often …with buckets and ancient thermometers in hugely variable conditions…with satellite measurements…for their tiny little ‘trend’ on the basis of which Australia is in the throes of committing economic and social suicide.

    They even broadcast what they’re really up to …unambiguously…but our deceivers feign deafness to it.
    UN IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer…

    [ “… we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore…” ]
    and…[ ‘most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil… means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources.’ ]

    …and now they’re looking to establish a new Paris agreement…to control other resources like copper..manganese…lithium…cobalt…because there’s a shortage for their windmills, solar panels and EVs.

    There’s only one thing we can now trust…that we live in an ocean of LW lies…and democracy and sovereignty are well on the way to being stone cold dead.

  37. The alarmist Marxists can complain all they like about sceptics citing cold weather in winter as evidence that AGW is not happening, but in fact sceptics are completely correct according to the science aggregated by the UN IPCC.

    Every IPCC assessment report has stated that the settled science of AGW means the planet will warm MAINLY in the higher latitudes and higher altitudes (hence the melting polar caps and glaciers meme) and MAINLY in winter.
    This is one of the unique fingerprints of a warming by Greenhouse Gasses as opposed to a general warming by, say the Sun.

    The other fingerprint of a Greenhouse warming is supposed to be a “hot spot” in the upper tropical troposphere. This hot spot is missing. Both so called fingerprints are missing.

    So if any of you get in a discussion about AGW with an alarmist friend or family member, just ask them about the missing “hot spot” and the fact that winters have not gotten any warmer while it’s been over 70 years of supposed warming acceleration since the 2nd World War.

  38. OldOzzie

    From the Main Forum but relevant to this Theme

    Reading during late lunch an Article my wife had printed out (presumably for Grandkids)

    “Crossing The Spit by Graeme Andrews Afloat Magazine January 2010”

    Something totally logical sprung out from the article re the Stupidity of Turnbull-Labor Lite, Labor and The Greens on Coal Fired Energy:- see highlighted in bold below

    The first Spit steam punt c.1889-1910.Also carrying vehicles across the gap was a purpose-built tram punt. From about 1912 this vessel was used to provide and replace electric trams for operation on the Manly tram service. The trams reached The Spit on January 9, 1911.

    Great care was needed to have the punt load and discharge promptly as the rails had to connect with those ashore and the tide had to be just right.

    The 75ft by 25ft tram ferry outlasted the vehicular ferry as the trams in the Manly area worked on until 1939 and it then had to carry them all back to the main network.

    It is an interesting political point that our electricity derived from burning coal, of which we had much, and the replacement buses burnt petrol and later diesel of which we had little – and imported almost all. This all happened when it was obvious that World War Two was looming and oil would have to be imported.

    The eventual replacement of the electric driven trams after 1961 showed that little had been learnt as Australia still had no oil wells that were commercial.

  39. mh

    It’s so cold in the upper half of the USA today that Democrat politicians will put their hands in their own pockets.

  40. My opinion of Steve Kates gets lower every day.
    “Most Scientists”
    Bullshit Steve. You wouldn’t know!
    Done a survey of your own, or relying wholly on the “The Climate Change enthusiasts’s Grant’s Club magazine”?
    How come record low temperatures don’t affect the average temperature. Only so-called high temperatures seem to do that.
    Biggest laugh of all is comparing temperatures measured 100 years ago, with temperatures measured today. Where are they measured? Are there any outside influences, like building a freeway beside the data unit?
    Even bigger laugh is the statement, “The Globe is warming” when really, what area are they actually measuring? 1% of the global surface?
    Here’s an article that tries to explain how accurate the temperature is measured, when in reality, it explains just how inaccurately the temperature is measured.
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-do-scientists-measure-global-temperature

  41. kneel

    “…what area are they actually measuring? 1% of the global surface?”
    it’s worse than you thought…
    See Jo Nova re: BoM electronic temp sensors – BoM NOW record “record highs” that simply couldn’t have been measured by the systems in place even 50 years ago, never mind 100 years ago.
    See also Jennifer Marohasy re: BoM’s “homogenisation”, which turns a negative (ie downward) trend of about 2C into a positive (ie upward) trend of about 0.5C at several sites – coincidentally, these very sites that Jo looked at are the ONLY ones to have this problem! What luck, eh?

  42. Henry2

    Lol @ Schneider using the same terms in ’74 to scare us over the results of an ice age that he does to scare us over the results of global warming.

    Truth to tell though, the cooling scenario is probably greater than the warming.

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