Trump making headway

Just in case there is any doubt about the media and Trump, here is a graphic from a Pew Foundation study that shows media attitudes to Trump and the previous three Presidents in the first 60 days of their first terms.

Trump has faced unprecedented hostility from a media that overwhelmingly shares a green left PC frame of reference.

Drudge however shows that Trump ended the year with 46 per cent approval, exactly the same as Obama in spite of the latter benefiting from representing a media with the same goals and attitudes.

The US tax act and Trump’s rejection of the Paris Agreement has brought widespread scorn in the media and among the political class.  But it is bringing solid gains, like that of the Pratt Group pledging $2 billion of new investment in paper  facilities in the US as a result of the highly competitive tax and energy environment Trump has created and we even see the state of Pennsylvania seeking to attract Australian energy intensive businesses with its low energy costs stemming from fracking friendly policies.

Will this force a re-think in Australia?  Doubtful in the case of Turnbull and his supporters who prefer mediocrity, placating green troglodytes and the approval of the international community.

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51 Responses to Trump making headway

  1. Don’t worry, all these green jobs will save Australia and show the world.

  2. Oh come on

    seeking to attract Australian energy intensive businesses

    What, we still have them here?

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s also worth noting from another Pew poll earlier in the month that Trump is tracking just fine with Republican voters. All the negatives are coming from Democrats, who think he is Cthulhu rehatched or something. Here is the graphic showing the relative performance of the last several Presidents vs their own and the other party.

    Given the MSM is overwhelmingly Democrat you can see why the press reporting has been so awful.

    Fortunately it’s looking increasingly that the MSM and Hollywood are destroying their own nest. I just wish there was a way that the ABC budget could similarly collapse.

  4. Indolent

    Will this force a re-think in Australia? Doubtful in the case of Turnbull and his supporters who prefer mediocrity, placating green troglodytes and the approval of the international community.

    Your question answers itself. Especially the last point, Turnbull (and Bishop) would sell us out to the last drop for international approval. And have done. They’ve just legalised buying international carbon certificates so we’ll be hearing soon from Nigerian princes with printers at the ready.

  5. min

    Alan , none in the Liberal party , I believe will take Turnbull on for two reasons . He has them by the neck because of money . Their subscriptions are down and possibly donations as witnessed in previous elections. Turnbull put in the million plus under what agreement , get rid of me and I will demand return of money.
    Secondly, any new boy could say goodbye to future opportunities if Libs lose. If Abbott took over at least he is arguing policies the punters want, if he lost then replace with the new blood . Plenty to choose , Taylor, Porter, Frydenberg ( think he has done a reasonable job even tho’I told him it would be like working between a rock and a hard place with your hands tied behind your back) .
    There are too many mad green leaners in Malcolm’s office , so Frydenberg has to walk a very fine line and talk the Malcolm talk. Knowing what he really believes I tell him the Cognitive Dissonance he has to employ must be stultifying

  6. Viva

    Turnbull (and Bishop) would sell us out to the last drop for international approval

    And yet they are willing to cop international opprobrium by sticking by their tough asylum seeker policies. They know the voters would dump on them if the disaster under the previous govt happened again. So it looks like the “disaster waiting to happen” which is their current energy policy has to actually happen before they tell the world to stuff their Paris Agreement where the sun don’t shine.

    Mind you even disaster wouldn’t sway the Liars as we have seen.

  7. wretch

    Here’s hoping the rethink will eventually come from the electorate and in a big way.

  8. AlanR

    When a male person (he’s certainly no man) so openly displays such contempt for females, such a person has nothing to contribute in a leadership position and deserves every ounce of ridicule and scorn thrown at him. Call me whatever you want I’ll wear that label proudly.

  9. When a male person (he’s certainly no man) so openly displays such contempt for females, such a person has nothing to contribute in a leadership position and deserves every ounce of ridicule and scorn thrown at him. Call me whatever you want I’ll wear that label proudly.

    Unfortunately the Left still keep supporting Bill Clinton.

  10. John Constantine

    Their turnbullites tough asylum refugee policy is to airlift as many as possible in, real tough that policy.

  11. AlanR

    Oh dear Bemused, where oh where in my comment did I support Bill Clinton? Your comment simply confirms your inability to conduct a sensible fact based discussion.

  12. Oh dear Bemused, where oh where in my comment did I support Bill Clinton? Your comment simply confirms your inability to conduct a sensible fact based discussion.

    I just made a simple statement, which has been more or less validated over the years. I didn’t say you supported Bill Clinton.

    Why did you read into a simple statement something that wasn’t even there?

  13. herodotus

    I sincerely hope that Tom is correct in his assessment (in another thread) that the left-leaning MSM is working towards nothing more than their own discrediting, their own destruction as a trusted and ethical reporting group.
    Anyone who’s interested in politics now has a huge range of commentary and reporting on tap.
    We can cast around for more sensible assessments than the MSM cares to provide most of the time. It has been apparent for quite a few years that a lot of them – a sizeable majority in fact – are players and are not in any way adhering to the old adage about keeping the bastards honest. They have no honesty themselves.

  14. Up The Workers!

    There’s plenty of room for more presstitutes in the Trumpsters’ dumpster!

  15. Robber Baron

    I’d suggest we need at least another 1 million young Australians to be unemployed and living with their parents before their green dream turns into a green nightmare for them to wake up to the evils of green marxism destroying their future. Only through intense personal pain will they wake up. They have not suffered enough pain. But a Shorten government might just be the remedy after Turnbull has set the landscape for a major deep recession. So an 18 year old today, will be still unemployed at the end of a Shorten 1st term when they reach 24 with a university debt edging 100K. Good luck with that gaia lovers!

    By the way, I won’t be hiring anyone under 50 in my business. I don’t have the time or patience to teach you discipline or healthy work habits. You young people have nothing to offer my business or my customers. If you spent any time on the dole, you have demonstrated that you have ZERO initiative.

  16. Turnbull’s face dropped when Pratt announced a long time ago that he was going to invest in USA. After this announcement of a $2 billion further investment his face must look like thunder.

  17. egg_

    Presumably the growth curve will be exponential.
    Even in Oz, some panelists on TheirABC make comments like “I hate Trump as a person* but…” then go on to list his positive achievements since being in Office.

    *Probably the only safe way to get anything positive out about Trump on the hive minded ABC without a barrage of brickbats.
    Indictable, being our Public Broadcaster.

  18. pbw

    AlanR,

    Call me whatever you want I’ll wear that label proudly.

    How about “man held in contempt by women”?

  19. egg_

    Turnbull’s face dropped when Pratt announced a long time ago that he was going to invest in USA. After this announcement of a $2 billion further investment his face must look like thunder.

    After all the schmoozing, hehe?
    After prior slagging off Pratt Senior in Parliament?
    Narcissism writ large.

  20. egg_

    Call me whatever you want I’ll wear that label proudly.

    “Useful idiot”.

  21. iain russell

    I’ll call Al a ‘fluffer’, a ‘luvvie’, a ‘panty buncher’, a ‘useful idiot’. That’ll do, as lunch beckons. I shall return. A ‘flog’, just as the prawns and semillon blanc beckon.

  22. Ainsley H

    Alan. Alan. Yes, he’s a vulgar man, I’ve listened to him too. However, I’m not afraid of vulgarity myself and separately, do not see given his career how he could be considered anything but a man who likes women quite a lot. He could be a lot less Tweety but I like the fact he constantly communicates without a filter and doesn’t parse his speech like the slick man who preceded him. Have you watched many of Trump’s speeches or interviews? He often proves to be right. It feels like he is a real human being, and one who knows the media better than the media and won’t play their smooth game of what that previous man called “getting the optics right”. I would much rather hang out with 45 than 44, don’t know about you.
    This year it seems I have learned he is a sexist man surrounded by beautiful women who love him, an ignorant crackpot who made it to the highest office, a ridiculous buffoon who plays 4d chess. He is authoritarian enough to remove 22 regs for every new one, is very mean to animals, children and everyone else and does random acts of kindness. He is also a military dictator who over-golfs, takes no pay cheque and insists on returning income earned to earners. Captured by Russia, IIRC he has affirmed the Global Magnitsky Act and cut some deal with The Ukraine.
    I think he is a New Yorker with a Red Bull ego, a practical business streak and no strong ideology but conservative maybe Reagan era tendencies. He seems to like getting ‘stuff’ done and has been much more successful in this first year than anyone expected despite an entire circus, both domestic and foreign, pitched against him.

    Frankly about the subject of women as overdone as it is, I see him as a bit like my partner whom I would describe as quite sexist but certainly no misogynist. He loves women but thinks we’re, let’s say, dills sometimes. I think most female politicians, commentators and celebrities are fuckwits usually outraged over nothing but vulgarity. We agree that Trump is not a groper but a talker and the drain cleaner the USA needs. It’s not pretty having to snorkel down into the swamp but someone must do it. And he’s got stacks of good hires to help him.

    On a much lighter note, I have just noticed my spell check turns fuckwits to kiwifruit. #NotAllWomenAreKiwifruit.

  23. Ainsley H
    #2595952, posted on December 29, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    Well said.

  24. Bela Bartok

    Nothing will ‘force a rethink’
    A generation of school leavers believes the lies and misdirection as ‘truth’ in a post-truth world.
    Current students can’t assess the truth independently any more- it’s been taught out of them.
    The MSM here is Left, and won’t permit any contrary world-view.
    The politicians are on the same side – themselves.
    The proles (us) can vote for either side of the same coin, but only will affect 2 or 3 ‘honourable’ members out of the whole bunch.
    Only wide-scale ridicule and contempt will be our alternative, until that is criminalized under 18C (for hurting feelingses) and real crims get 200 hrs community detention.

  25. Mother Lode

    Will this force a re-think in Australia?

    I must sadly agree.

    Politicians here believe their success in politics can only be won in the arena of media.

    They have determined that a flattering falsehood reported as truth is worth more than honest achievement reported as failure.

    They labour to manufacture a hologramatic image composed not of artfully refracted beams of photons, but of carefully orchestrated sound bites and film clips.

    But unlike obedient predictable light, the media as a medium has an agenda – it bends its own way and cannot be trained to certain angles.

    When something goes wrong, the problem is understood as a problem with the apparatus and the solution is nothing more than tweaking a lens here, or a prism there.

    Activist greens and progressives like this because the last thing they want ordinary people to see is their real agenda. Instead they needle and glad politicians with things that play out in the media: polls, reports, experts etc. which politicians will accept on face value because that is as deep as they think.

    The actual government of Australia – what really happens to real people, is merely a side effect of this light show.

    Trump’s success is that he is not a lab technician like the establishment and media, but from the real world. The politicians and media are still trying to understand how he succeeds in terms of the light show, and all their attempts to bring him down have just been more of the same techniques they used on holograms.

    He has an existence independent of them, a concept they can no longer grasp.

  26. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Will this force a re-think in Australia? Doubtful in the case of Turnbull and his supporters who prefer mediocrity, placating green troglodytes and the approval of the international community,communists.

    fixed

  27. mh

    When a male person (he’s certainly no man) so openly displays such contempt for females, such a person has nothing to contribute in a leadership position and deserves every ounce of ridicule and scorn thrown at him. Call me whatever you want I’ll wear that label proudly

    Righto. How about gullible. Easily led. Muppet. Sad.

  28. Confused Old Misfit

    MARC THIESSEN: Trump’s Little-Noticed War On Hidden Taxes.. “He worked with Congress to repeal 14 major regulations implemented under Obama, and withdrew or delayed more than 1,500 others by executive action. Most importantly, he issued Executive Order 13771, which directed government agencies to eliminate two existing regulations for each new one issued, and to ensure that the net costs of any new regulations are zero. Last Thursday, Trump announced the first results of this effort: His administration achieved $8.1 billion in lifetime regulatory savings — and is on track to achieve an additional $9.8 billion in savings in fiscal 2018. Since excessive regulations are a hidden tax on American workers and businesses, that amounts to an $18 billion tax cut.” It’s a good start.

    h/t Instapundit

    And AlanR – He is a man.

    You are not.

  29. Confused Old Misfit

    As for the effect on Australian Politicians, they are in thrall to local media. I had hopes for Bernardi but he appears as flaccid as the bishop after a session with the actress.

  30. Rafe

    ump’s alleged misogyny is fake news.
    Typical derangement syndrome stuff.
    Like the crap about getting rid of the dying old tree in the garden☺ LOL.

  31. Art Vandelay

    It would be interesting to see a similar chart for Reagan. I was young when he was President but I can recall endless hysteria and hyperbole regarding him and his agenda from the media and my teachers.

    It was only much later when I started reading about him for myself that I realised it was all lies.

  32. André M

    Making headway… but still polling 12 points lower in approval rating than either Reagan or Obama did by day 340 of their presidencies, and 20 points less than Jimmy Carter, and more disapproval than approval.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    Assuming the USA public believes the media rather than reading government sources directly, I guess the polls only reinforce your point. On the other hand, if the public has an accurate understanding of what Trump has been doing lately then the polls defeat your point. It all depends on what information people use to form their opinions in their polls.

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    Call me whatever you want I’ll wear that label proudly.

    Mentally Ill.
    Trust me, I can tell.
    I’m an expert.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    André – As I linked upthread Trump is tracking Obama very closely with the voters of his own party. The difference is just 2 points, and given the historic nature of Obama’s election it is very creditable for Trump.

    Pretty much the whole reason for Trump’s low aggregate number is because Democrats are dragging his number down: they hate his guts.

    That then feeds into the skewing of polls for political purposes. Many of the polling companies with lefty agendas are overrepresenting the number of Dems in their samples – which then further pulls down Trump’s numbers. The polling groups in the last couple years have been discredited nearly as badly as the MSM for this reason.

    So there’s a double reason why that headline number is misleading…intentionally so. The MSM wants to discredit Trump and polls are just another weapon for them to use.

  35. Rafe Champion

    if the public has an accurate understanding of what Trump has been doing lately

    Andre in the face of wall to wall fake news on Trump how can the public get an accurate understanding of what he has been doing?

    What do you personally think of his progress in deregulation and the end of the war on coal?

  36. Confused Old Misfit

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    Rasmussen Poll shows Trump at 46% APPROVE this morning, with 53% DISAPPROVE…

    What about Obama at same exact date first year in presidency?? 46% APPROVE, 53% DISAPPROVE!

    Who you gunna believe?

  37. Rafe Champion

    Pretty amazing when you consider the performance of the MSM.
    Still the important thing is that Trump is implementing his agenda which is delivering benefits which will compound.

  38. Muddy

    Serious question: What is the actual purpose of such popularity polls, and are they now a reliable tool if they ever were?

  39. stackja

    Muddy – pop polls are MSM pretending they are still relevant. DT showing MSM aren’t.

  40. Muddy

    Thanks stackja. My understanding of statistics is rudimentary at best, but I’ve always wondered how anyone can take these things seriously, as though Mrs or Mr. Average is an exact duplication of every other individual in society.

    I guess it’s another opportunity for our betters to distance themselves from the smelly rabble though, now they have professionals to gage whether or not we dream of them being collectively crushed by an asteroid (to the tune of a Metallica song perhaps).

  41. Texas Jack

    Polls? MSM? Whatevs…!! Trump’s numbers have only one way to go. The various supply-side and tax settings he’s somehow managed to engineer, by hook or by crook, are going to make the US’s 2017’s growth and employment numbers look tame.

  42. Bruce of Newcastle

    The various supply-side and tax settings he’s somehow managed to engineer, by hook or by crook, are going to make the US’s 2017’s growth and employment numbers look tame.

    TJ – I was thinking that myself seeing the latest Chicago Business Survey number which came out this morning. Here it is from WSJ’s markets page:

    28-Dec 09:45 a.m. US/ISM-Chicago Business Survey – Chicago PMI Dec forecast 61.5 actual 67.6

    That is off the charts!

    For those who want to know what it is, here’s the description:

    The Chicago PMI (ISM-Chicago Business Barometer) measures the performance of the manufacturing and non-manufacturing sector in the Chicago region. The Index is computed from five weighted raw indexes: Production (0.25), New Orders (0.35), Order Backlog (0.15), Employment (0.10), and Supplier Deliveries (0.15) and then seasonally adjusted to support month-to-month comparisons. A reading above 50 indicates an expansion; below 50 represents a contraction; while 50 indicates no change.

    So for a broad measure like this to beat the forecast by such a huge margin the pent up excitement must be immense. In Chicago too, despite the mess the Dems have made of the place. All this is because of the tax cut law and the energy stuff he’s doing. Wow!

  43. Rafe Champion

    Still the important thing is that Trump is implementing his agenda which is delivering benefits which will compound.

    If he can press on with the agenda especially deregulation and energy policy and nothing too serious comes out of left field like some lunacy from the fat man in North Korea the compounding effects will be scary. Business can actually breathe again.

  44. Mother Lode

    As Trump’s policies continue to bear fruit, contrary to the auguries and divinations of the yapping MSM, look for explanations as to how it is really external influences at play, and of how Trump’s policies all lie within a spectrum between ineffectual and deluded.

    Obama, of course, had to contend with the GFC for eight years, and the Bush legacy for eight years.

    Just like Labor and the Libs (excluding the current left wing administration): the Right is always just lucky, while the Left is always just unlucky.

  45. Norman Church

    Decreasing regulation and taxes, facilitating cheap energy for manufacturing and sticking it up the cultural Marxists. Despite his flaws, there is much to like and admire.

  46. Rafe

    What do people see as his flaws. His texting looks silly and self indulgent until you find out that it is a highly effective weapon. See Scott Adams the Dilbert man on this.
    I am busy can someone make a list of the Adams you tube pieces and post here?

  47. André M.

    BoN #2596070:

    As I linked upthread Trump is tracking Obama very closely with the voters of his own party.

    Totally irrelevant. On his inauguration day, Trump said he would “govern for all Americans” (original emphasis).

    The difference is just 2 points, and given the historic nature of Obama’s election it is very creditable for Trump.

    To reference a graph showing the Messiah complex and novelty of Trump amongst his support base has worn off just as quickly as it did for Obama hardly confers any advantage for Trump, who also had an election victory which was historic albeit for different reasons.

    That then feeds into the skewing of polls for political purposes. Many of the polling companies with lefty agendas are overrepresenting the number of Dems

    Even if that were true, the 538 Project adjust for partisan bias of the pollster when aggregating ratings, and they show you how biased they think each pollster is. The approval ratings there are likely to be in the same ballpark as the real public.

  48. André M.

    Rafe #2596188:

    in the face of wall to wall fake news on Trump

    I know there has been some fake news about the Trump team, such as the “Russia hacked the election” being completely cut down to “Flynn lied about two conversations with the Russian ambassador”, which was quite a climb-down. I don’t know that it is wall-to-wall fake news especially when you guys claim deception where none exist, such as the Jackson memorial tree a few days ago which was a list of entirely factual headlines when interpreted literally.

    how can the public get an accurate understanding of what he has been doing?

    You’re undermining your own argument there. If there is no way for the public to get an accurate understanding of what the Trump team have been doing, there is no way for you to know what he’s really been doing.
    I didn’t think what he’s “really” been doing was the topic here, as Alan’s post was about media bias affecting the public’s opinion. Did Reagan not have to deal with anti-Republican media bias? And Reagan didn’t have social media as another avenue for direct messaging to the voters. Yet still the “Sad!” result for The Donald.

    What do you personally think of his progress in deregulation and the end of the war on coal?

    End? That would be #maga #winning if it were true, but (unlike the rest of the world) in the USA there is no end in sight. A week after it was announced the utilities weren’t buying it:

    Of the 32 utilities contacted by Reuters, 20 said Trump’s order would have no impact on their investment plans; five said they were reviewing the implications of the order; six gave no response. Just one said it would prolong the life of some of its older coal-fired power units.
    North Dakota’s Basin Electric Power Cooperative was the sole utility to identify an immediate positive impact of Trump’s order on the outlook for coal. “We’re in the situation where the executive order takes a lot of pressure off the decisions we had to make in the near term, such as whether to retrofit and retire older coal plants,” said Dale Niezwaag, a spokesman for Basin Electric. “But Trump can be a one-termer, so the reprieve out there is short.”

    More recently the Trump administration doesn’t want coal miners to know how much dust they are breathing in. Governments don’t invite reviews with no intention of changing the rules. Easing the tariffs/imposts on coal-fired power I can understand, but raising risks of worker safety is not explicable from any concern for power prices. Notice that is not a hit piece from a biased media but direct from the bureaucracy web site.

    To really answer your question, I don’t know what Trump has done as President other than slashing EPA, getting NASA out of Earth and back into space (where it belongs), and doing all sorts of leftist interventions in the market place to get special deals for specific manufacturers to return to the USA. I hear he recently got a set of tax changes through but don’t know how they affect wealth distribution and am not willing to accept at face value the MSM’s portrayal of it. I do not follow politics very closely (either USA or Australia) as my interests are typically more in technology and philosophy. When I want to know something I dip into other people’s research as it is a more efficient use of time than trying to follow the events as they unfold. That is why my opinion about “Trump making headway [in public approval]” was based on aggregate survey data and not on my personal desire or anecdotes or a single Rasmussen poll.

    As for deregulation, history has shown that ensuring people (and by extension governments and businesses) are accountable for the consequences of their actions is a great way to ensure adverse side-effects are minimised. Full privatisation could achieve this if the natural environment were fully privatised too. Short of such an anarcho-capitalist revolution, government regulation is the next best option for ensuring protection of both people and the environment. It’s not so much de-regulation that is desirable, but rather having the right regulations. I read somewhere that the Trump admin has been repealing 20 rules for each new rule created, which is good for restoring confidence in government and justice as being institutions which should resolve only the most import issues in society.

  49. Rafe

    Thanks Andre. Some good stuff in there. Keep us honest!
    Still he is going better than expected. Of course there are alternatives to the MSM. The war on coal and CO2 is over whether or not people want to use more coal.
    Everything depends on a long run to change the political culture so gains under one regime are not wiped out by the next et.

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