Open Forum: December 30, 2017

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  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    While we should not resile from war when free world citizens or interests are at risk, we must ­recover the principle of restraint to protect the West as a bastion of freedom for generations to come.

    Afghanistan and Iraq are both bog Muslim countries. We can’t change them and don’t belong there unless our interests are seriously threatened. If middle-class Muslims won’t stay there let them go to another Muslim country, not come here with the same ideologies that created the mess from which they wish to retreat. The West should try in foreign policy aims to assist Iran and Turkey to change back to the secularizing nations they once were and to keep the lid on Islamism in Indonesia and Malaysia. Africa will have to sort out its own Islamic problems; China and Russia, in the West culturally these days but not fully of it, will help them.

    The West probably does have to retreat to regroup and reclaim back its civilization.

  2. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Forgot to say that Israel needs strong support from Western nations. The vote on Jerusalem was a disgrace, and does not auger well for the West recognizing a good thing when they see it. Stay safe, President Trump.

  3. Jessie

    Reading back comments and following a blogger’s link ? yesterday to an amusing youtube song –

    Knuckle Dragger pre New Year @2.46pm re ages and dating forums

    Two, accept all the conditions ordered by the slightly older harridan mob and prepare for an early grave as a broken man. People still do this, to my continual amazement. Life’s too short.


    It’s Hard To Kiss The Lips At Night That Chew Your Ass Out All Day Long

  4. Roger

    The fruit of war’: Pope orders harrowing image of boy carrying his dead brother following the nuclear bombing of Nagasaki be printed and distributed.

    If you want to see something truly “harrowing” google the image of the Chinese woman and her baby being beheaded during the rape of Nanking. Then consider the litany of Japanese atrocities during WWII.

    Just how was this barbarism and the doctrine of racial superiority that fueled it to be overcome but by bringing the Japanese nation to its knees?

  5. Joe

    The West probably does have to retreat to regroup and reclaim back its civilization.

    This is key, and key to our civilisation has been our struggle to enable individual freedom. Democracy was touted to deliver that. It hasn’t. A new system will have to evolve out of the wreckage that democracy has wrought. For it to be “western” it will have to respect individual rights. I suspect that the issue of collective rights will have to be addressed and finally Christianity will have to be recognised as the prime religion of the state to provide a bulwark against other more destructive beliefs.

  6. cohenite

    Gab

    #2598348, posted on January 1, 2018 at 11:55 am

    Off to see 3 Billboards outsider Ebbing Missouri

    Don’t bother. It’s rubbish.

    That’s a pity; it looked interesting.

  7. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just because I’m 29 and a half minutes past six on the erectile function scale doesn’t mean you can take over!!!!!!

    What matters that in the scheme of things if you are innovative and agile, M of M?

    I’m glad you’ve had those eight good years out of it and aim to tick off another twenty.

  8. MsDolittle

    Don’t bother. It’s rubbish.

    Awwh really! Damn, I was hopeful.

  9. thefrolickingmole

    C.L.
    #2598334, posted on January 1, 2018 at 11:32 am
    Blackout on this in Australia but the federal case against hero Cliven Bundy has been dismissed.
    The left-wing Feds deliberately hid 3000 pages of exculpatory evidence.

    The Bundy trial is a farce.
    It was supposed to be the show trial of the century to put those yokels back in their box, and has instead shown the government agents to be duplicitous assclowns.

    It would be funny if it wasnt for a bloke being gunned down in an ambush and the time these blokes have spent in prison.

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Malcolm Turnbull flags postal survey for Australian republic

    The Australian
    12:04PM January 1, 2018
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    Joe Kelly
    Political reporter
    Canberra
    @joekellyoz

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model — including whether to have a directly elected president — if the Queen’s reign ends while he is still prime minister.

    Mr Turnbull, an avowed Republican who led the ‘yes’ campaign when the question failed to gain popular support in 1999, today floated a postal survey as one way of facilitating a national debate on the Republic before a referendum was held to amend the constitution.

    He said there was no point “pretending that there is an appetite for change when there isn’t one” and noted that Australians had a conservative voting record when it came to constitutional reform.

    “We all say long live the Queen and we say that with great sincerity and love,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “If you are asking me how you would go about it in the event of the issue becoming live again I think the first thing that you would need to do is to have an honest open discussion about how a president would be elected … (and) whether the president would be chosen by parliament in a bipartisan two thirds majority — as proposed in ‘99 — or directly elected.

    “That is the rock on which the referendum foundered in 99. You’ve got to have that discussion and you know it may be that a plebiscite — maybe even a postal survey given the success of the marriage postal survey — could be one way to deal with that.

    From the Oz. Governments in trouble, wheel out the Republic.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Re-educating the educators is a primary task at present in the ‘save the West’ movement. Teachers pumping global warmening b/s into children is an immediate invitation for children to hate their own history and culture as a destructive force. It is not and teachers need to tell children that; universities need to open their minds to other perspectives than failed hippie ‘environmental’ visions that drifted down along with the 60’s and 70’s Marxism. Gramsci is dead, should be the message. No more institutional lunacy, back to our roots.

  12. Gilas

    Mike of Marion
    #2598346, posted on January 1, 2018 at 11:52 am

    Mike, sorry to hear about your problem.
    I missed this, but presumably you’ve had a tissue biopsy recently, where is the primary tumour? (I may be able to help with my $0.02..)

  13. thefrolickingmole

    Prince Phillip showing hes still got it at 96…
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/is-that-a-terrorist-prince-philips-joke-about-bearded-bystander
    Prince Philip has been accused of making a gaffe on a walkabout at Sandringham on Sunday after he reportedly pointed at a bearded member of the public and asked: “Is that a terrorist?”

    The Queen’s husband, 96, was attending St Magdalene church, close to the royal family home in north Norfolk, on New Year’s Eve along with his daughter Anne, the Princess Royal, when he allegedly made the remark.

    Philip spotted a tall man with a long ginger beard and made the comment to his minders, according to an unnamed witness quoted by the Daily Mail and Sun, who said the man in question found the apparent joke hilarious.

    “The man appeared to be his with wife and child,” the Sun reported the witness as saying. “Philip was wishing lots of people a happy new year and then he spotted this guy with his distinctive beard. He pointed at him in a funny way and turned to one of his royal bodyguards, saying: ‘Is that a terrorist?’

    “He was obviously having a little joke, but he said it within earshot of the man who burst out laughing and appeared to find the whole thing hilarious. I think Philip knew he was going to be overheard.”

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model — including whether to have a directly elected president — if the Queen’s reign ends while he is still prime minister.

    Hang in there, Your Majesty. Rug up in the cold, and cut your workload.
    We need you more than ever now.

  15. zyconoclast

    Mike of Marion
    #2598223, posted on January 1, 2018 at 8:39 am
    egg

    The Vulcan
    Tally-ho!!

    Looking for Argentines?

  16. cohenite

    I know current politics is at a tipping point but back in Joh’s day it wasn’t much chop either:

    1987 Cabinet papers: Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s deals with Communist tyrant

    Michael Madigan, The Courier-Mail December 31, 2017

    New details of a proposed partnership between Queensland and one of the Eastern Bloc’s most notorious Communist tyrants, Nicolae Ceausescu, have emerged with the release of 1987 State Cabinet documents.

    For the first time, former Queensland Premier Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s own account of the bizarre 1987 trip to Romania to team up with the paranoid despot in an ambitious “Coal for the Communists’’ venture has been released for public viewing.

    On Christmas Day two years later, the Romanian dictator who ran one of the globe’s most oppressive, secretive and violent regimes was executed by a firing squad staffed by his own people.

    The proposed Romanian partnership is just one of a series of revelations contained in Cabinet documents which become public today, giving detailed, behind-the-scenes insights into the dying days of the Bjelke-Petersen Government.

    In a state crippled by 11 per cent unemployment, increasingly outlandish schemes are mooted including “the world’s tallest building’’ to be built in downtown Brisbane.

    The infamous redevelopment of the Port Office site was discussed by Cabinet ministers who seemed to be wondering where all the “brown paper bag’’ money was coming from, while up north a space port to rival Cape Kennedy in the US was proposed for our own Cape York.

    https://www.facebook.com/dallas.beaufort/posts/10155342323739370

  17. Geriatric Mayfly

    Not wishing to reopen the recent wounds suffered in the artistic crossfire, but a reminder to musical Cats that the annual concert from Vienna is on WOG Vision tonight. The Vienna Philharmonic is one of the world’s great orchestras and this concert might be deemed ‘light entertainment’ as it usually comprises Strauss waltzes and the like. This is not to say, that the music making is not taken seriously and it gives a chance to watch a top orchestra in action, whilst tapping the toe. Maestro Muti will put them through their 3/4 paces.

  18. Roger

    This is key, and key to our civilisation has been our struggle to enable individual freedom.

    Freedom without virtue deteriorates into licentiousness (in the broad sense of lacking moral discipline, not just in terms of sexuality), which corrupts a society to the core eventually.

    A society needs either a communal religious belief or a strong civil ethic to inoculate itself against the moral corruption that is the natural condition of human beings (what is known in Christianity as the doctrine of original sin).

    We really should fear the enemy within more than the enemy without.

  19. MsDolittle

    Vic Police website: A Vermont man is probably wishing he had of filled up his motorcycle

    Bad grammar is the least of their problems.

  20. John Constantine

    Now we have shoot to kill laws aimed at fixated individuals, with get of jail free cards for the paramilitary che Guevara’s of the State:

    Australia’s Bundy cases will be called domestic terrorism by fixated individuals and their families billed fifty grand for the State’s time spent gunning them down.

    The Bundy’s of Australia must be purged, so the State can earnestly tell the Faithful Cousins that the State is not racist.

    The informant industry and the deradicalisation industry run out of our imported Ponzi mosquebunkers are our strength.

    Comrades.

  21. Top Ender

    Tasmania Police now patrol in threes.

    Two blokes and one sheila.

  22. Gab

    Just my opinion on that movie, folks. i found myself waiting for something interesting to happen throughout and then the movie ended.

  23. C.L.

    I see Australian police are thrilled that Muslims didn’t kill anyone overnight.
    That’s the new low bar in law and order.

  24. Joe

    A society needs either a communal religious belief or a strong civil ethic to inoculate itself against the moral corruption that is the natural condition of human beings (what is known in Christianity as the doctrine of original sin).

    This is correct. However, “civil ethic” just does not cut it. It has no answer to those who prosecute their religion with faith and conviction. The failure of Christianity in the West has been it’s leaders refusal to fight and energise the faithful to fight.

  25. cohenite

    A society needs either a communal religious belief or a strong civil ethic to inoculate itself against the moral corruption that is the natural condition of human beings (what is known in Christianity as the doctrine of original sin).

    We like to think of Islamism as being a construction of order, with a hierarchy that mirrors our own, and with a capacity to arrive at some negotiated position if it comes into conflict. But the moment we do that we miscategorise what it is that Islamism actually is. It is a radically different moral framework for confronting the world, one that comprises of allies and enemies, one in which the achievement of Paradise is most assuredly brought about through the physical destruction of the enemy. It is not without order or form, but it is not an order or form that is grounded in the ethic of individual worth as we understand it. It has no Pope, and so cannot move monolithically. Theological evolution is no simple task and it is often the case that a local imam’s idiosyncratically moderate interpretation of Islam has little relevance outside of his local community. Even then, moving the religion itself requires leaving a significant amount of theology at the door, or radically re-understanding it in a way that has simply not occurred for the most part of history.

    Terror attacks that we uselessly describe as “lone wolf” attacks require us to suspend everything we intrinsically understand about ideologies of this nature. They no more need people to spread than they do organisations. A terrorist doesn’t need to be a member of ISIS for us to understand that the ideology motivating him is the same ideology motivating ISIS. There may not be some traceable master-servant relationship, but there is, of course, a theological one. People looking for evidence of communication between a militant and a warlord seem to be barking up the wrong tree. How many more times does this have to happen before we stop providing excuses they’re not asking for or rationalisations that don’t fit the pattern?There is a method in these attacks that is replicated across time and space. The notion that they bear no relationship either to each other or to a broader ideology is simply wrong. Jihadist terror is a war tactic pulled out of an ideology of death. Jihadists understand how to manipulate our institutions because they understand our moral code and know that we don’t really have a strong ideological framework to repel bad ideas because, quite understandably, we’ve come to view traditionalist ideology or more specifically religion as the root of evil. As we constructed liberalism we failed to construct walls around it that enabled it to defend itself from illiberal ideologies like communism, fascism and (Islam).

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/islam-in-australia-myths-and-common.html

  26. Gab

    Prince Philip has been accused of making a gaffe on a walkabout at Sandringham on Sunday after he reportedly pointed at a bearded member of the public and asked: “Is that a terrorist?”

    that was no “gaffe” you humourless puritan. It was deliberate and gave me a chuckle.

  27. cohenite

    Sorry that mixture of quotes got mish-mashed and was in response to Roger’s comment:

    Roger

    #2598385, posted on January 1, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    This is key, and key to our civilisation has been our struggle to enable individual freedom.

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/islam-in-australia-myths-and-common.html

  28. calli

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model — including whether to have a directly elected president — if the Queen’s reign ends while he is still prime minister.

    It was once high treason to discuss/anticipate the death of the monarch.

    Some laws need to be reinstated. Just for a single case, mind.

  29. John Constantine

    Demographically, our republican elites have imported millions of people to vote black handed with the turnbullites.

    Twenty years of die offs for obsolete Australia.

    In the bag for the Waleed for president crowd.

    Only way to make it unlosable is to invite their Hussein Obama to be first president of Zimbostralia.

  30. overburdened

    If the Victorian Government is requesting Federal intervention into breaking up apparently local and non-aligned gangs, is this an abrogation of responsibility for the protection of the community by Victoria Police? Is it tacit admission that the issue is a national security one?
    Is it also an admission that the Victorian Government will run with the foxes and feed with the hounds according to the focus groups if the Feds take up the offer and things get untidy?
    I think the Socialists are sniffing the wind and are approaching panic mode with no plan that involves protecting the herd.

  31. C.L.

    There is a reason the pope chose a victim of Hiroshima rather than one of the victims of Pearl Harbour, Nanking or Auschwitz. He is saying that the United States is the greatest threat to world peace in today’s world. Tangentially, this is also a nod to Muslims worldwide who believe that same thing, dogmatically. This comes a week after this man of ‘change’ demanded the “status-quo” be maintained regarding Jerusalem. By status-quo, he means Israel being surrounded by exterminationist animals who are gaming the world’s governance structures to destroy the J-ws by gradualist means.

  32. Makka

    Just how was this barbarism and the doctrine of racial superiority that fueled it to be overcome but by bringing the Japanese nation to its knees?

    The Pope comes from a failed 3rd world Socialist country where general belief is that all it’s local ills stem from the oppression of those rich developed countries. Like Obama, he loathes western superiority in fact he feels ashamed and embarrassed by it now he’s in the Vatican at the centre of western civilisation. So, any opportunity to display the beast (in this case the US nuke bombing of wartime Japan) represents a great virtue signalling opportunity. He’s very hypocritical in that respect. Better to let the murderous EJ regime go on for years with millions more dead?

  33. John Constantine

    How I would chuckle if turnbull is crushed by a bollard, and Good Queen Liz outlives the prick.

  34. Gab

    and Good Queen Liz outlives the prick.

    and may Queen Charles never reign.

  35. JC

    From the Oz. Governments in trouble, wheel out the Republic.

    As much as I dislike Charlie, this is one of the oldest most stable democracies going. Why the need to fuck around with it. To all intents we are a self governed Republic.

  36. zyconoclast

    The Australian Defence Force’s actual spending in 2017-18 is ­expected to be about $32.5bn.

    Don’t forget to add the Centrelink and State Govt (read taxpayer) billions paid to jahadi’s and jihadi enablers.

  37. Gab

    Why the need to fuck around with it.

    becuase maocolm has a massive ego and the Left never rests when it comes to pulling down anything established under conservative rule and history.

  38. Roger

    Sorry that mixture of quotes got mish-mashed and was in response to Roger’s comment:

    Cohenite, I note that excellent extract on Islam was written by a Mitchell Goff, ALP member and unionist.

    The penny is dropping…?

  39. John Constantine

    We watch turnbull gloating as he anticipates squandering the inheritance after Her Majesty dies.

    This loathsome creature was really jammed up Australia’s clacker, because Tone matters?.

  40. Oh come on

    Mad Dog Mattis’s Ask Me Anything – it seems the questioners are all Marines, too, which is good. He has some interesting observations on leadership and other skills and abilities that are applicable outside of fields of combat, as you might expect.

    Harpy new year!

  41. Mike of Marion

    JC
    #2598410, posted on January 1, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    Because Lucy is agitated

  42. Roger

    However, “civil ethic” just does not cut it.

    I agree, a communal religious belief, i.e. Christianity, is the ideal because it inculcates virtue by change from within, but if that is not possible – thank you multiculturalism and mass migration – the civil ethic might at least inspire outward virtue.

  43. Mater

    As much as I dislike Charlie, this is one of the oldest most stable democracies going.

    I would have thought the left would be very happy with Charles. He oozes leftist dogma at every opportunity.

  44. calli

    Maolcolm wants the be Australia’s first president. Resistance to a Republic comes principally from conservatives. To neutralise resistance, conservatives must be fractured and destroyed as a bloc. Maolcolm is an election away from achieving this.

    Why settle for PM when you can supplant the queen as Head of State.

  45. Oh come on

    Prince Philip has been accused of making a gaffe on a walkabout at Sandringham on Sunday after he reportedly pointed at a bearded member of the public and asked: “Is that a terrorist?”

    Apparently, the bearded guy was a ginger, which seems to have been left out of that retelling, surely by accident! So glad that Phil the Greek has never had the slightest bit of concern about the pinheads who lose sleep over his ‘gaffes’.

  46. Oh come on

    Dear lord, Prince Philip’s grandson is a bearded ginger!

  47. OneWorldGovernment

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2598362, posted on January 1, 2018 at 12:05 pm

    Afghanistan and Iraq are both bog Muslim countries. We can’t change them and don’t belong there unless our interests are seriously threatened. If middle-class Muslims won’t stay there let them go to another Muslim country, not come here with the same ideologies that created the mess from which they wish to retreat.

    Airlift the Christians out and then walk away.

    I got shit canned for this some years ago but as far as I am concerned we should strip bomb every f**king inch of Afghanistan and just take it off the table forever. Men, women and children.

    Then we can turn our sites to Pakistan which is just as evil if not more so than Iran.

  48. Mater

    Prince Philip has been accused of making a gaffe…

    They use the word ‘gaffe’ because of the connotations attached to that word (stupid, senile old fool).
    They are jibes, not gaffes.

  49. OneWorldGovernment

    Gab
    #2598412, posted on January 1, 2018 at 12:48 pm

    Why the need to fuck around with it.

    becuase maocolm has a massive ego and the Left never rests when it comes to pulling down anything established under conservative rule and history.

    What Gab said +1000

  50. Roger

    As much as I dislike Charlie, this is one of the oldest most stable democracies going.

    As much as I dislike Charles I dislike the people who would seek to replace him with a President much more.

  51. cohenite

    Latham still plugging away:

    THE TOP FIVE POLICIES AUSTRALIA NEEDS IN 2018:

    1. Reduce our immigration intake from 200,000 pa to the 20th century average of 70,000, to take the pressure off housing prices, jobs, wages and city congestion.
    2. Big personal income tax cuts, reducing the top marginal rate from 49% to 35%, with other rates coming down to 25 and 15%. This would reboot the economy by giving businesses and workers extra incentive. They should work for themselves, not the taxman!
    3. End Australia’s energy crisis and reduce prices by lifting all restrictions on energy production. We should be a global energy superpower, with abundant fossil, renewable and nuclear power.
    4. Fight back against political correctness by abolishing Leftist sinkholes like the ABC, SBS and Human Rights Commission, and cleaning cultural Marxism out of our universities and schools.
    5. Win the war on terror by introducing a Trump-style travel ban and locking up mentally-ill radicals who threaten public safety.

    https://www.facebook.com/MarkLathamsOutsiders/?hc_ref=ARRJ6YVlHEk2fcNo9TAbgIK3YImeGEnc2m0vpj5XzhoL5IIR-PTQgaRSltT-z4KD2bg&fref=nf

  52. Oh come on

    Maolcolm wants the be Australia’s first president. Resistance to a Republic comes principally from conservatives. To neutralise resistance, conservatives must be fractured and destroyed as a bloc. Maolcolm is an election away from achieving this.

    I think the ‘yes’ vote will always have an extremely difficult case to make to get over the line – assuming our Head of State is not a complete wally who everyone despises (ie. much moreso than Charlie, who I suspect most will regard with indifference). Our betters all assumed we would cop a HoS determined by our politicians. They assumed wrong, thankfully. Even if Republicans can deliver a direct vote model, it’s going to be extremely hard for them to deliver a constitutional change that doesn’t require a significant rewrite of the constitution. The No campaign will focus on the risks of altering the document to such an extent. It’s not as easy a sell as ‘say No to the politicians’ republic’ but it isn’t that hard, either. ‘Don’t know, vote no’ has been effective in many a referendum. The No camp will just have to sow enough doubt regarding the effects such a significant constitutional change could bring.

    The only way I can see a republic getting up is if the sovereign is a completely detestable individual.

  53. OneWorldGovernment

    JC

    I read a paper at the time of the first tilt at becoming a Republic.

    Bottom line.

    Sell everything and get out of Australia because bad and all as you may think it is at the moment there will be NO LAW in Australia if they introduce a Republic.

    People do not understand that our quaint system of Government, bad and all as it may be, actually has some rules like common law which underpin it.

    As far as I am concerned anyone that is pushing for Australia to become a Republic is just a traitorous dog.

  54. Oh come on

    republicans, even. Stupid over-efficient autocorrect.

  55. H B Bear

    Lord Waffleworth emboldened by his homosexual marriage success proposes government by motherhood statement mail-out questionnaire.

    Trust us, we’ll fill out the details later. With the support of the Greenfilth in the Senate.

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Maolcolm wants the be Australia’s first president.

    I could write the list – Malcolm Turnbull, then Julia Gilliard, followed by Gillian Triggs, then David Morrison.

  57. Motelier

    Regarding Mal Stumbles desire for a postal vote on a republic.

    Someone (Cory come on down) should use the language Paul Keating used against the John Hewson GST.

    It stays, no matter how bad it is.

    Great scare campaign that! h/t Ritchie Benaud.

  58. Roger

    I could write the list – Malcolm Turnbull, then Julia Gilliard, followed by Gillian Triggs, then David Morrison.

    And eventually Tim Southpossumarse.

    God save the Queen!

  59. Baldrick

    If Tim Wilson stood for President we could still say ‘God save the Queen.’

  60. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2598433, posted on January 1, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    Maolcolm wants the be Australia’s first president.

    I could write the list – Malcolm Turnbull, then Julia Gilliard, followed by Gillian Triggs, then David Morrison.

    No ZK2A

    Lucy Hughes and then China.

  61. Mater

    The prospect of President Abbott!
    That should get them thinking.

  62. entropy

    Mater, the left believe everyone hates Abbott, so that scare wouldn’t be convincing.

  63. struth

    One, the postal vote cannot cancel out our Constitution.

    Any change to our constitution must be done via a referendum.

    He cannot change us to a republic with a postal vote (corruptible anyway) and then a vote in Parliament, so there is no point in a postal vote.
    It has to be via a referendum.

  64. OneWorldGovernment

    How much corruption exists in Australian Parliaments and Local Governments, let alone our so called “Public Servants and Services”?

  65. egg_

    Where’s Grig’s update on Scheiss of the Seas?

  66. Rae

    A plebiscite, postal* or other, won’t help Turnbull to be become President of Oz. He needs a referendum to change the Constitution for that. Any attempt to replace the role of the Monarchy with something inferior will be roundly defeated.

    * postal plebiscite idea claimed by Dutton wasn’t it? As an ex cop, maybe he wishes he had “of” copyrighted it.

  67. egg_

    The prospect of President Abbott!

    Can we start a petition?

  68. Roger

    One, the postal vote cannot cancel out our Constitution.

    Struth, I think Dear Leader’s present intention is to spend a few hundred million to test the waters before proceeding to a referendum…or not.

  69. Oh come on

    Trumble is so shit at this politics game. He is wildly overplaying his hand thinking he’s on strong ground to relaunch the republic debate with him at the helm because he ended last year on slightly stronger ground than he was on throughout the rest of the year. This is a “slam dunk” in the same way that Gillard’s kangaroo knitting Women’s Weekly photoshoot was a “slam dunk”.

  70. Bruce in WA

    But there was a case near Perth, some years ago, where an old couple were invaded and the old bloke had his shotgun in the corner and blew one of them away.

    Some other WA person may remember better than I but they were on a small fruit block just on the Northern edge of Perth.

    As far as I can remember they never charged the old bloke.

    Yes, this was the one. I am still in shock at the words of support from a senior WAPOL officer. Mind you, I’ve never heard of him since …

    Police will not charge ‘Herne Hill hero’ after shooting
    Fleur Bainger, PerthNow
    February 22, 2009 8:00PM
    POLICE say a home invasion on a 77-year old grandfather and his incapacitated wife in Herne Hill on Wednesday night was ‘like a scene from a horror movie’.

    Inspector Bill Munnee, of the police’s East Metropolitan District office, said the invasion – in which one intruder was shot – was ‘very frightening’ for Eugenio and Maria Valenti.

    “It was like your worst nightmare,” he said.

    The couple locked themselves in their bedroom after they were woken by two male intruders. Inspector Munnee says Mr Valenti armed himself with a 12-gauge shotgun, which he had a licence for and had appropriately stored in a cabinet.

    “He put one shot into the shotgun and warned them not to come in because he had a firearm and a sick wife. Despite that, they went straight to the bedroom and kicked the door open.”

    “One of the intruders grabbed the barrel of the gun. There was a struggle and Mr Valenti still had hold of the butt and his hand was in the trigger, and during the violent struggle the firearm was discharged and it hit one of the offenders on the left front abdomen.”

    Police will not charge Mr Valenti with unlawful wounding, saying the elderly man had a right to defend himself and his incapacitated wife.

    “There’s no doubt in our mind that what he did was entirely justified and authorised and excused by law,” Insp Munnee said.

    “In this case, Mr Valenti is the victim.”

    Two men, aged 18 and 35, have been charged over the incident. One was remanded in custody at Midland Magistrates Court this morning and the other remains in hospital, where he is also in custody.

    Mr Valenti, who was allegedly attacked during the home invasion, has been treated for a fractured hand, and cuts and bruises to the face. Insp Munnee said the current charges might be upgraded “depending on the seriousness of Mr Valenti’s injuries.”

    Insp Munnee is calling the grandfather “the Herne Hill hero” and says he is being supported by friends and family. He says police are not providing extra protection, but will remain on high alert.

    “Mr Valenti knows if he were to ring the police, we won’t be treating it like a normal person ringing up. Mr Valenti is high on our priorities and if possible, I don’t want him to go through this ever again, and I’m sure he doesn’t either.

  71. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2598445, posted on January 1, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    Oh fuck off you pedantic cockhead.

  72. OneWorldGovernment

    struth
    #2598442, posted on January 1, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    One, the postal vote cannot cancel out our Constitution.

    Any change to our constitution must be done via a referendum.

    He cannot change us to a republic with a postal vote (corruptible anyway) and then a vote in Parliament, so there is no point in a postal vote.
    It has to be via a referendum.

    Disagree Struth.

    You cannot change from our system of Government to a Republic without an insurrection.

    Doesn’t have to be violent as in the American War of Independence but at some point in becoming a ‘Republic’ you have to overthrow the old way to usher in the new.

    And it is in that ‘overthrow’ period when there is NO LAW.

  73. ZK2A;

    “That is the rock on which the referendum foundered in 99. You’ve got to have that discussion and you know it may be that a plebiscite — maybe even a postal survey given the success of the marriage postal survey — could be one way to deal with that.

    1. It has to be a Referendum.
    2. Have a go, mug. There will be blowback.

  74. Roger

    There is a reason the pope chose a victim of Hiroshima rather than one of the victims of Pearl Harbour, Nanking or Auschwitz. He is saying that the United States is the greatest threat to world peace in today’s world.

    No doubt.

  75. calli

    Struth, I think Dear Leader’s present intention is to spend a few hundred million to test the waters before proceeding to a referendum…or not.

    Yep.

  76. Roger

    Trumble is so shit at this politics game.

    This is obviously a thought bubble that emerged at the Turnbull’s Christmas dinner which Lucy & Tom have handed to dutiful Maladroit to run with after his stunning success at subverting marriage last year.

  77. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce in WA
    #2598449, posted on January 1, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    But there was a case near Perth, some years ago, where an old couple were invaded and the old bloke had his shotgun in the corner and blew one of them away.

    Some other WA person may remember better than I but they were on a small fruit block just on the Northern edge of Perth.

    As far as I can remember they never charged the old bloke.

    Yes, this was the one. I am still in shock at the words of support from a senior WAPOL officer.

    Thanks Bruce in WA.

    That was the case I was thinking of.

    They produced nice fruit from their little block.

    The arzholes figured the old couple had all this buried Treasure.

  78. Jo Smyth

    Would the postal vote run along the same lines as the SSM postal vote? Would they say, just vote and we will sort out the rules, regulations and consequences after the vote? If that is the case I reckon the Mugabe method of rule would be favoured.

  79. Snoopy

    There are plenty of republics around the world. Anyone who wants to live in one can fuck off and do so.

  80. Mark from Melbourne

    He cannot change us to a republic with a postal vote (corruptible anyway) and then a vote in Parliament, so there is no point in a postal vote.

    I suspect the idea underlying this is to have a postal vote on the rather generic “Should we be a Republic?” question.

    Assuming that gets up – and I reckon it would have a decent chance – they can then present a choice of two models in the referendum. No need to include the “stay as is” option, because they will already have “proved” that isn’t necessary with the postal vote.

    No idea if that is constitutionally valid but I suspect it may be, and smells just like the sort of cunning stunt the left would like to pull.

  81. H B Bear

    Mark from Melbourne – Exactly. Hence the expression, Beware of Lieborals bearing Trojan butt plugs.

  82. Joe

    Assuming that gets up – and I reckon it would have a decent chance – they can then present a choice of two models in the referendum. No need to include the “stay as is” option, because they will already have “proved” that isn’t necessary with the postal vote.

    No chance. The REFERENDUM must have questions containing the proposed changes to the clauses of the constitution with clear YES or NO options. That is YES we want the clause changed as specified or NO we don’t want to change the clause.

  83. C.L.

    Check out Iowahawk Sr’s ripped physique.
    That’s not weights.
    That was just life, back then.

  84. struth

    Yes, I agree thatn he is just testing the waters now.

    These subjects of complete irrelevance like SSM etc, considering how much shit we are in is the side show, to keep us on the back foot while they do the U.N’s bidding regarding wrecking the country.

    Remember the first thing Turncoat brought up upon the election of Trump, is to assure everyone we will not deviate from Paris agreement and the U.N.
    That was all that was on his mind.

    These side shows are just there to keep us occupied with bullshit while they wreck the joint.

    If he happens to be able to turn us into a banana republic in name as well as condition, he will consider it an even bigger win.

    This guy is a sick piece of shit, to his very core.

    He is very dangerous because he is totally focussed only on himself.

    To an astounding degree, he is quite literally mentally ill.
    Psychotic.

  85. Joe, the Uniparty will just ignore the Constitution.

  86. Mark from Melbourne

    You’re probably right, Joe.

    In which case the whole idea is yet another pointless Waffleworth thought bubble.

  87. Boambee John

    Re my earlier post, it seems that an elderly male of Latin descent can shoot intruders (or could a few years ago).

    Eugenio and Maria Valenti.

  88. Oh come on

    Very sad. Iowahawk’s old man must have been something – his kid is the sharpest wit on the blogosphere.

  89. nemkat

    Plenty of the NO voters from 1999 will have died, so the termites will think they are in with a chance next time.
    Their biggest problem is finding a credible slogan.
    Giving every Australian child the opportunity to become Head of State didn’t cut it in 1999.
    Postal Survey with barcoded ballots conducted by the ABS might be their best bet.

  90. OneWorldGovernment

    Struth

    If they get a yes vote for a Republic then I think the dogs of war might become unleashed.

  91. nemkat

    Roger
    #2598455, posted on January 1, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    Couldn’t happen, Tom died last year.

  92. struth

    In which case the whole idea is yet another pointless Waffleworth thought bubble.

    We’re talking about it, and not the nation’s crumbling power supply, housing costs, decaying infrastructure, and their forced importation of hundreds of thousands of U.N. decreed nation wreckers killing us.

  93. miltonf

    So another year gone and Trumble still there. Are we just going to sleepwalk into a peanut head gov? Hard to imagine a government worse than the one we have now I know. The LNP seems to be perfectly ok with all this.

  94. calli

    Maolcolm is sowing the seeds again, with the help of the MSM. They even wheeled out Keating this morning.

    There will be another tilt at constitutional change, and he’s hoping for a popular movement to back it, similar to the SSM campaign.

    It’s a long-held aim, not a thought bubble.

  95. Leo G

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model …

    With A directly-elected High Court?

  96. Oh come on

    Mark is right in that the government can use whatever system it wants to determine which question it puts on a referendum ballot slip, but the legislation enabling a referendum still needs to make it through parliament via the standard mechanism. I strongly suspect that if the referendum question was worded in such a way that the constitution would be changed regardless of how you voted would be declared unconstitutional by the HC.

  97. OneWorldGovernment

    I am not sure how many politicians actually understand that Australia was basically created from refugees from Christian Europe.

    The f**kheads think they can drop a mob of stinking animals in here that have nothing to do with Christianity and actively want to wipe us out.

    I would suggest to any police anywhere in Australia make sure you know your racial background because you could end up a slave.

    If you are fine with that then fuck off.

  98. struth

    If they get a yes vote for a Republic then I think the dogs of war might become unleashed.

    Yeah, we’ll let our blue heelers and border collies off the leash, and they can let their armed forces go to town on us.

    Thanks John Howard.

  99. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We’re talking about it, and not the nation’s crumbling power supply, housing costs, decaying infrastructure, and their forced importation of hundreds of thousands of U.N. decreed nation wreckers killing us.

    A republic is so far down the list of relevant issues as to not even be there.

  100. miltonf

    The only Royals I have any respect for are HM and the D of E. But I think even Chilla and Wills are a better option than our marxist , self styled Australian ‘royalty’.

  101. thefrolickingmole

    Gee, how surprising, the HRC wants to fold religious discrimination into the section 44 making criticizing protected voteherds illegal.
    RTWT, these people are evil swine.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/31/human-rights-commissioner-ed-santow-on-religious-freedom-its-about-potential-conflicts

    During the marriage debate, the meaning of “religious freedom” was hotly contested. The Liberal senator Dean Smith, at first supported by Malcolm Turnbull, maintained that his bill did not restrict religious freedom; senators James Paterson and David Fawcett argued that a raft of legal changes were needed to allow service providers to refuse to cater to weddings.

    Santow explains that international human rights law protects religious freedom in two main ways: the right to hold a religious belief, which he says is “absolute and there can be no restriction on that”; and to manifest it, which he says is “very important but can be subject to some restrictions under human rights law”.


    He says Australia “hasn’t fully implemented” provisions that ban hate speech against people on the basis of their religion.

    That may entail something like applying section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act which bans speech that insults, offends or humiliates people based on their race – to discriminatory speech against religious people.

    In a textbook case of the difficulty of balancing rights, in March the Senate blocked the government’s push to weaken section 18C by nudging the balance in favour of freedom of speech and away from non-discrimination.

    Aroney has argued that recognising religious freedom should include acceptance of sharia within “strictly justifiable limits imposed by the general law”.
    ..
    Asked if private disputes, such as wills or divorces, could be handled differently because participants are adherents of a particular religion, Santow says it “happens anyway”.

    He gives the example of an Orthodox Jewish couple who divorce under Australian civil law. A parallel “second religious set of requirements” can exist to deal with the religious marriage according to Orthodox Jewish principles “provided that second set of requirements isn’t going to harm each other or anyone else”, Santow says.

    Marriage equality advocates expect Santow to have the careful, rational approach to legal problems that will guarantee a judicious and influential contribution from the AHRC to the debate on religious freedom.

    Thank Maolcolm for your truely Liberal approach to the coming censorship boom..

  102. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Malcolm Turnbull could never be a Labor PM, Kim Beazley says

    The Australian
    2:00PM January 1, 2018

    Rachel Baxendale
    Reporter
    Canberra
    @rachelbaxendale

    Former Labor leader Kim Beazley says Malcolm Turnbull could never have been Prime Minister had he joined the Labor Party.

    Mr Turnbull served as the Labor-appointed leader of the Australian Republican Movement from 1993 to 1999, during which time he considered running for a seat as a Labor candidate.

    Reflecting on politics during 1994 and 1995 in an interview to mark the release by the National Archives today of confidential cabinet papers, Mr Beazley said he believed the multi-millionaire Liberal Prime Minister “ended up in the right party”.

    “The Labor Party in its essence is a tough, working class party,” Mr Beazley told Sky News.

    “While Turnbull could certainly have risen to cabinet rank within it, had he ended up joining the Labor Party he could never have led it.”

    From the Oz. The Labor Party a tough, working class party? The Party that gave us Julia Gilliard and Kevin Rudd?

  103. Roger

    Couldn’t happen, Tom died last year.

    Reports of his death may have been exaggerated.

  104. struth

    We are and have always been a christian based country with Christian based Law.
    From the first sentence in our constitution to the first Easter and Christmas after Jan 1st 1901 being national holidays, it is an indisputable fact.

  105. thefrolickingmole

    Moderated by the dead sea pedestrian word again…

    Gee, how surprising, the HRC wants to fold religious discrimination into the section 44 making criticizing protected voteherds illegal.
    RTWT, these people are evil swine.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/dec/31/human-rights-commissioner-ed-santow-on-religious-freedom-its-about-potential-conflicts

    During the marriage debate, the meaning of “religious freedom” was hotly contested. The Liberal senator Dean Smith, at first supported by Malcolm Turnbull, maintained that his bill did not restrict religious freedom; senators James Paterson and David Fawcett argued that a raft of legal changes were needed to allow service providers to refuse to cater to weddings.

    Santow explains that international human rights law protects religious freedom in two main ways: the right to hold a religious belief, which he says is “absolute and there can be no restriction on that”; and to manifest it, which he says is “very important but can be subject to some restrictions under human rights law”.


    He says Australia “hasn’t fully implemented” provisions that ban hate speech against people on the basis of their religion.

    That may entail something like applying section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act – which bans speech that insults, offends or humiliates people based on their race – to discriminatory speech against religious people.

    In a textbook case of the difficulty of balancing rights, in March the Senate blocked the government’s push to weaken section 18C by nudging the balance in favour of freedom of speech and away from non-discrimination.

    Aroney has argued that recognising religious freedom should include acceptance of sharia within “strictly justifiable limits imposed by the general law”.
    ..
    Asked if private disputes, such as wills or divorces, could be handled differently because participants are adherents of a particular religion, Santow says it “happens anyway”.

    He gives the example of an Orthodox Jhooish couple who divorce under Australian civil law. A parallel “second religious set of requirements” can exist to deal with the religious marriage according to Orthodox Jhooish principles “provided that second set of requirements isn’t going to harm each other or anyone else”, Santow says.

    Marriage equality advocates expect Santow to have the careful, rational approach to legal problems that will guarantee a judicious and influential contribution from the AHRC to the debate on religious freedom.

    Thank Maolcolm for your truely Liberal approach to the coming censorship boom..

  106. Oh come on

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model …

    He really is terrible at this politics game. It will go down like a lead balloon. The SSM postal survey was controversial due to the cost and SSM was an issue that many people cared about and wanted to have their say over. People don’t care all that much about Trumble’s republican ambitions, and they will be even less impressed if this involves a referendum AND a $125 million opinion poll!

    Trumble is such a dummy. Although, now that I think about it, he is a monarchist’s best friend.

  107. Oh come on

    “The Labor Party in its essence is a tough, working class party,” Mr Beazley told Sky News.

    LOL

    It really isn’t, Beazo.

  108. miltonf

    The Labor Party in its essence is a tough, working class party,” Mr Beazley told Sky News

    What was Beazley b4 becoming a politician? An academic? Very working class not.

  109. Infidel Tiger

    “The Labor Party in its essence is a tough, working class party,” Mr Beazley told Sky News.

    Narrator: “He’s lying”.

  110. Bruce in WA

    “The Labor Party in its essence is a tough, working class party,” Mr Beazley told Sky News.

    Sixty years ago …

  111. calli

    “The Labor Party in its essence is a tough, working class party,” Mr Beazley told Sky News.

    Sez Pony Boy.

  112. Roger

    We are and have always been a christian based country with Christian based Law.

    For the destruction of which our ruling class introduced mass 3rd world migration and multiculturalism.

  113. struth

    Don’t know about your areas, but people are really starting to hurt around these areas.
    Personally, I shake my head at their surprise, but many were expecting a bit of a kick over Christmas that didn’t come.
    Pubs and restaurants in shock!

    I don’t know about your area, but I would suggest this little carry on about a republic will be pissing many people off, to the point of actually starting to grizzle to their local member.

  114. Infidel Tiger

    The beauty of a Constitutional Monarchy such as ours is it doesn’t matter a damn who sits on the throne.

  115. Oh come on

    Sixty years ago

    Not even then.

  116. Struth;

    We’re talking about it, and not the nation’s crumbling power supply, housing costs, decaying infrastructure, and their forced importation of hundreds of thousands of U.N. decreed nation wreckers killing us.

    Yes, we’re talking about it.
    But we’re also talking about the other problems, struth.
    Malcolm hasn’t had another fart bubble – he’s turned the heat up another notch and added another weight to the release valve of the pressure cooker that is Australia.
    Nothing will happen until the pressure cooker explodes, and it is foolish to do anything that removes those weights on our behalf.
    The Nation will survive a Turnbull/Rudd/Gillard/Shorten Prime Ministership, but it cannot survive a polity that votes continually for them. The drunk must wake up in the gutter before they realise they have a problem.

  117. nemkat

    Reports of his death may have been exaggerated.
    By me, anyway.
    Thanks for the good news, Roger.

  118. OneWorldGovernment

    struth
    #2598480, posted on January 1, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    If they get a yes vote for a Republic then I think the dogs of war might become unleashed.

    Yeah, we’ll let our blue heelers and border collies off the leash, and they can let their armed forces go to town on us.

    Thanks John Howard.

    Hah.

    I’ve got the most viscous Shizu you would ever want to meet. Lick your toes to death is his favoured attack.

    I’ve had a blue heeler and a border collie in previous life times.

    John Howard is and was one of the greatest ‘whatevers’.

    Remember how he bailed his brother out with Commonwealth Legislation.

    And to think that the prick stood in front of honest people whilst wearing a bullet proof vest.

    Pure projection on his part.

    Don’t get me started on arzhole Costello. The scum thief.

  119. Jo Smyth

    Having watched the slide to the left in all the Parties and their total disregard for the Constitution plus the apathy in general of the voting public and the ability of the fake, feral media to convince the voters that black is white, the vote for a Republic would sail through. There may be a few token protests from Abbott, Hansen and Bernardi but they are proving they are gutless and love talking and giving their opinions but as far as saving this country against the march into Marxism, it isn’t happening. Everybody seems quite happy with Turnbull to remain so our fate awaits us.

  120. Snoopy

    The beauty of a Constitutional Monarchy such as ours is it doesn’t matter a damn who sits on the throne.

    That’s why the Left hate it so much. They are always looking for a Dear Leader.

  121. miltonf

    So is the uniparty going to try and dampen down the citizenship fiasco in the new year?

  122. Snoopy

    If Maocolm’s republic push is fair dinkum he should offer us an Islamic Republic. It’s where we are inexorably headed anyway. And it would be a hoot watching the LGBTI mob urging a No vote.

  123. Oh come on

    And it would be a hoot watching the LGBTI mob urging a No vote.

    Er no. They would be the loudest proponents in favour of it. Remember, these are the same people who set up ‘Queers for Palestine’.

  124. OneWorldGovernment

    Jo Smyth
    #2598502, posted on January 1, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    Having watched the slide to the left in all the Parties and their total disregard for the Constitution plus the apathy in general of the voting public and the ability of the fake, feral media to convince the voters that black is white, the vote for a Republic would sail through. There may be a few token protests from Abbott, Hansen and Bernardi but they are proving they are gutless and love talking and giving their opinions but as far as saving this country against the march into Marxism, it isn’t happening. Everybody seems quite happy with Turnbull to remain so our fate awaits us.

    Jo Smyth

    Why do you think I tag myself as OneWorldGovernment?

  125. Mater

    the nation’s crumbling power supply

    A small correction. It is being deliberately sabotaged.
    Saying that we will overcome the inevitable shortfall by reducing industry demand is as anti-progressive as someone saying: “Don’t worry about that wheel thing, we’ll just carry less!”.

  126. OneWorldGovernment

    The former Menzies Liberal Party of Australia has been taken over by spivs, charlatans and bull shit artists.

    I’m glad that I can’t get my hands on one of the c*ckheads because I would beat their f*/*king head in.

    NSW Liberal Party should be burnt to the ground.

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    Mater
    #2598509, posted on January 1, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    the nation’s crumbling power supply

    A small correction. It is being deliberately sabotaged.

    + 1 billion

  128. dopey

    Why waste money on another postal survey? Just go on the result of the SSM vote.

  129. Neil

    NSW Liberal Party should be burnt to the ground

    Liberals in NSW are running surplus budgets and the State is now debt free like the Commonwealth was in 2007. Liberals are doing a good job in NSW

  130. OneWorldGovernment

    dopey
    #2598513, posted on January 1, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    Why waste money on another postal survey? Just go on the result of the SSM vote.

    Nah.

    Just build a f**king huge coal fired power plant.

    And wipe South Australia off the map. (all due respect to Cat SA folk)

  131. Muddy

    If they get a yes vote for a Republic then I think the dogs of war might become unleashed.

    I’m surprised that a taxpayer-funded Fridgelamic group has not yet brought a legal case that dogs are hate speech, and therefore must be either banned in certain suburbs or taxed out of existence.

  132. miltonf

    Liberals in NSW are running surplus budgets

    ok give us a tax cut- how about a payroll tax reduction. Why bank money for your opponents to spend when you lose office?

  133. Infidel Tiger

    Liberals in NSW are running surplus budgets

    Created solely from stamp duty theft from the housing ponzi.

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Somebody is suggesting a solution to the yoof gangs in Melbourne – bring back National Service to teach them decency and respect. God give me strength……

  135. Muddy

    Re my dogs are hate speech comment above, I have no doubt that local councils will jump on the opportunity to beef up their enforcement powers.

  136. Jo Smyth

    So OneWorldGovernment what’s your solution. Mine is simple but far too complicated to ever happen. There are enough conservatives and true Liberals in this country to vote out the rabble that rules now. All it would take is for the gutless few i.e, Abbott, Hanson, Bernardi and others (I would include Mark Latham), all experienced politicians, to join forces and get rid of this mess. Are their individual egos too big to ever do this? Could they ever work together? That would depend on what they put first, themselves or their country.

  137. Muddy

    National Service

    Yup. So who will train these little feckers? Doesn’t the ADF have enough issues raising the standard of their Mardi Gra float for next year without worrying about training people for war?

  138. miltonf

    Latho’s latest manifesto is spot on.

  139. Frank

    The Golden One why you shouldn’t fap the porn.

    Hard to believe it, but he makes Milo seem demure by comparison.

  140. Neil

    Created solely from stamp duty theft from the housing ponzi.

    I knew someone would say that. They said the sames things about Howard. Mate even if what U say has some truth the ALP would just spend/waste the money on some weird scheme and their would be no surplus.

    We are running surplus budgets in NSW and the Libs have paid off all State govt debt. Give them some credit

  141. Geriatric Mayfly

    Somebody is suggesting a solution to the yoof gangs in Melbourne – bring back National Service to teach them decency and respect. God give me strength……

    Great idea, but one flaw. The moment the RSM raises his voice there would be a rush to the safe spaces, and an immediate phone call to the ooooman rights mob, or maybe the UN even.

  142. Snoopy

    Muddy
    #2598520, posted on January 1, 2018 at 3:00 pm
    Re my dogs are hate speech comment above, I have no doubt that local councils will jump on the opportunity to beef up their enforcement powers.

    Surely you meant ‘pork up’ enforcement powers?

  143. Infidel Tiger

    We are running surplus budgets in NSW and the Libs have paid off all State govt debt. Give them some credit

    Because of the housing ponzi, there will probably never ever be a conservative government elected again.

    They can suck my balls.

  144. Muddy

    G.M.
    True, except that the title of RSM is far too sexist and patriarchal, and will be replaced by a Participation Encouragement Enabler who is not permitted to make eye contact with the trainees, or even remove her hands from her pockets.

  145. Oh come on

    We’re all going to vote for the faaaabulous Islamic Republic of Australiastan! Hey, why are all those cranes being assembled in Fed Square?

  146. Mater

    There are enough conservatives and true Liberals in this country to vote out the rabble that rules now.

    I actually believe that Bernadi made a mistake using the word ‘Conservatives’ in the party title.
    There are plenty of traditional Labor voters who would support the policies of the AC’s. However, being traditional Labor, they have been conditioned to instantly oppose anything ‘conservative’. They won’t even get past the title, let alone consider the party platform.
    Something a little more inclusive might have yielded better results. It’s just human nature.

  147. Muddy

    Surely you meant ‘pork up’ enforcement powers?

    Snoopy, you’re aware that mentioning the ‘p’ word is hate speech, right? Please replace the ‘p’ word with the concise ‘transient-soft-bollard-filthy-infidel-meat (spit)’.

  148. Tel

    We are running surplus budgets in NSW and the Libs have paid off all State govt debt. Give them some credit

    Anyone can do that by selling assets! For a while, until there’s no assets remaining.

    Seriously, they sold the “poles and wires” along with the monopoly rights that go along with a business where newcomers are not allowed to compete. Then spent the cash on rebuilding sports stadia for bigger and better bread and circuses. The only good thing is they are not the ALP.

  149. miltonf

    The libs in Vicco ran a surplus too I believe. The average Joe would never notice or care. If you cut taxes he does. And you shrink the size a government.

  150. Snoopy

    Let’s face it IT. Anyone can suck your balls.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yup. So who will train these little feckers? Doesn’t the ADF have enough issues raising the standard of their Mardi Gra float for next year without worrying about training people for war?

    I would imagine you’d have to teach most of them to read and write, first.

  152. Geriatric Mayfly

    and will be replaced by a Participation Encouragement Enabler

    But she’d be a strong woman shurely.

    You miserable excuse for an unhatched egg, mummy won’t be powdering your hairless bottom here you skinny little worthless worm. Now move that bloody power pole from A , which is here, to B which is over there, and in double time or I’ll squeeze every ounce of shit out of you with one hand.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    Let’s face it IT. Anyone can suck your balls.

    Especially GrigRae.

  154. nemkat

    Somebody is suggesting a solution to the yoof gangs in Melbourne – bring back National Service to teach them decency and respect.
    Teach them handy military skills, you mean.
    Not a bad idea when Australia was a mostly Anglo Saxon country.
    Now- not so much.

  155. zyconoclast

    NSW Liberal Party should be burnt to the ground

    Liberals in NSW are running surplus budgets and the State is now debt free like the Commonwealth was in 2007. Liberals are doing a good job in NSW

    Then why are they RE-building perfectly functioning stadiums for billions?
    Why don’t they reduce rego for vehicles?

  156. Muddy

    Yup. So who will train these little feckers? Doesn’t the ADF have enough issues raising the standard of their Mardi Gra float for next year without worrying about training people for war?

    I would imagine you’d have to teach most of them to read and write, first.

    National Service sounds great in theory, but would place an enormous logistical burden on our current forces, unless you made the trainers ARes only, but then you need the extra facilities, and what are they supposed to do once they’ve been trained? Movable Bollard duty?

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Oh, Danny Boy, the plebs, the plebs are calling,

    From Glen to Glen and down the Yarra side.

    The summer’s here and all the bodies falling,

    It’s you, it’s you must go and we must hide.

    But come ye back when hell has frozen over

    Or when the city’s stuffed and can’t recover

    There’ll be no welcome in sunshine or in shadow

    Oh Danny Boy, Oh Danny Boy, I loathe you so.

    From the Oz website – very witty indeed.

  158. Just Interested

    zyconoclast

    #2598541, posted on January 1, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    NSW Liberal Party should be burnt to the ground

    Liberals in NSW are running surplus budgets and the State is now debt free like the Commonwealth was in 2007. Liberals are doing a good job in NSW

    Then why are they RE-building perfectly functioning stadiums for billions?
    Why don’t they reduce rego for vehicles?

    The NSW Government is running surpluses because they sold polls and wires (and other things) and are riding a stamp duty revenue wave.

    The question is whether, like Howard, they leave behind recurrent spending at levels above average revenues.

    One suspects they are.

  159. Bruce in WA

    Somebody is suggesting a solution to the yoof gangs in Melbourne – bring back National Service to teach them decency and respect. God give me strength……

    Yeah, great idea. Let’s teach the little shits unarmed combat, survival skills, communications, to shoot straight; show ’em where the armouries are … terrific train of thought.

  160. Neil

    Anyone can do that by selling assets! For a while, until there’s no assets remaining.

    Labor can’t. Hawke/Keating sold Qantas, CSL, Commonwealth Bank and the debt still increased. Come on U have to give NSW Libs some credit. We are running surplus budgets and the State is debt free. An amazing achievement

  161. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    National Service sounds great in theory, but would place an enormous logistical burden on our current forces, unless you made the trainers ARes only, but then you need the extra facilities, and what are they supposed to do once they’ve been trained? Movable Bollard duty?

    Field Marshall Sir William Slim provided the best counter to the “puddem in the Army, and pound some discipline into them.” Speaking at a time when the Brits conscripted 18 year olds for 18 months, he wanted to know why the Army was expected to do in 18 months what their parents, schoolteachers, the police, schoolteachers and society at large, had failed to do in 18 years.

  162. miltonf

    The greyhound racing ban was the finish for me. Spiteful.

  163. Geriatric Mayfly

    Vatican crib ‘homoerotic’
    Traditionalists have slammed this year’s Vatican Nativity scene as covert gay propaganda describing one naked figure as homoerotic.
    The Oz

    This surprises me. Isn’t there a basement in the Vatican full of male pudenda, chipped off all those naughty statues in the Museum above? This oversight, is down to the fact that Cock Chipping is now a trade that has moved on to the real thing, in this the era of sexual confusion.

  164. Bruce in WA

    Cock Chipping

    Isn’t that a small village in rural England?

  165. Muddy

    The Liberal Party is Dead.

    The appearance of life and movement is simply an optical, audial and olfactory illusion caused by escaping gases and the breaking down of sub-cutaneous body fat.

    Say a few words if you feel nostalgic, then move on before the corpse becomes flyblown.

  166. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent article in Quadrant today by Keith Windschuttle on Australia Day. Most instructive is the section where local Melbourne ‘indigenous’ folk complained about various councils banning events on 26 January because it cut off their funding source for performing welcome to country.

    Careful what you wish for……

  167. Mater

    Somebody is suggesting a solution to the yoof gangs in Melbourne – bring back National Service to teach them decency and respect.

    It would just give them another reason to claim grievance. Numbers (Bob) gives us a perfect example.

  168. Leo G

    Then why are they RE-building perfectly functioning stadiums for billions?

    Preparation to bid for another Sydney Olympic Games.

  169. Arky

    Let’s face it IT. Anyone can suck your balls

    ..
    Anyone with a microscope.

  170. Muddy

    Cock Chipping

    Isn’t that a small village in rural England?

    You might be thinking of Tiyght Ayness in Wales.

  171. notafan

    New Year’s Eve in Rome.

    I mixed up mass times at St Maria’s in the morning but took a punt, a 200 metre walk away from there is the church of the 40 Martyrs and Saints were a mass was starting, and where nuns actually outnumbered lay people in the congregation.

    It’s a great novelty to be such a short walk from at least five churches.

    At the end of mass I was a little puzzled as to why everyone was lining up again, it turned out, to kiss a statue of baby Jesus so I thought what the heck, when in Rome…

    I met my sons afterwards then after the second coffee of the day we walked up to St Peter’s to hear the pope speak. Today just to stand in St Peter’s square one had to pass though scanners.

    We perched on a ledge in a side street with a direct view of all the potential windows, which paid off, no scanners, no standing for ages in the queue for the privilege of standing in the square. The side streets were also blocked to traffic, much to the chagrin of at least one lady whom I heard said something about mi casa to the officer before doing a uey.

    Didn’t pick out more than the odd word in the talk but my very non practicing son wanted to go, the other VNP tagged along and of course I wasn’t going to veto.

    The pope is just a speck in the window, in any case.

    Wandered up via a circuitous route to Piazza Navone from there, which is also barricaded at every entrance, and noticed numbers in and out were being counted. Don’t know why.

    The Italians must be taking the isis ‘Christmas Blood’ threats very seriously because every year I see more and more security measures being taken. The terror tax must be an incredible drain on finances.

    We stayed in the apartment for the midnight count down, but the celebrations came to us as fireworks and crackers were being let off on a terrace right behind us. We’re in a rear apartment in the heart of the old section not far from the river, hard for prying official eyes to get to the rear of these ancient higgledy piggledy blocks..

    I remember reading last year of official complaints about illegal fireworks but people obviously still get their hands on them.

    It was terrifically loud but fun.

    Looking forward to scampering across the post celebratory fields of broken glass in a couple of hours time too.

  172. Dr Faustus

    “If you are asking me how you would go about it in the event of the issue becoming live again I think the first thing that you would need to do is to have an honest open discussion about how a president would be elected … (and) whether the president would be chosen by parliament in a bipartisan two thirds majority — as proposed in ‘99 — or directly elected.

    I think the actual ‘first thing you would need to do’ is to have an honest open discussion about exactly what the role and powers of this President thingy would be.

    If the position has any political power, of any sort, it would have to be popularly elected, otherwise it is certain the parliamentary scum would game the election to their benefit – and against ours;

    If it is a rigidly ceremonial position, it probably doesn’t matter whether the vipers elect some hack ex-politician, or the proles elect Peter Heliyar, Bindi Irwin, or Peppa Pig.

  173. Tel

    The question is whether, like Howard, they leave behind recurrent spending at levels above average revenues.

    Howard and his NBN spending! Oh wait, that was the other guys.

    Howard and his NDIS spending! Ummm… maybe that was someone else.

    Howard and his Pink Batts! Oh, that was the bonehead guy.

    I know, I know, Howard building the education revolution!! What?!? That came after Howard, really? Oh bums.

    Howard and his moronic plan to fix Global Warming. Ah ha! I finally found something, but even then it did get significantly worse after Howard.

  174. Muddy

    Tiyght Ayness – a pretty village in Southern Wales, population 52 (2014), known for its famous blowholes and the medieval wedding chapel built by local noble Noedik Tubigg after a string of failed love affairs left him forlorn and wandering the hills naked, screaming “Love is Love!” until he died of exposure. The village is now a very popular wedding venue, with couples walking the hills after the ceremony in honour of Tubigg.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    The RET was arguably the most damaging policy in australian history. I would have little concern about hanging Howard for treason for that policy alone.

  176. Just Interested

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model — including whether to have a directly elected president — if the Queen’s reign ends while he is still prime minister. (etc.)

    Welcome to the Chrissy Pyne’s winners circle, my friends.

    It was those geniuses General Dutton and Senator Mathias the Belgian, erstwhile members of ‘the right’, that designed the postal survey idea – so they can stay in government a little longer.

    And so now the same device is being pushed by the the Black Handers now push their next piece of social reform. Well done those ‘rightists’. Well done.

    Now that there wasn’t thousands of suicides attributable to the marriage plebiscite after all, pounds to peanuts the ALP will promise a postal survey on whether there should be ‘a’ republic – and I suspect they won’t wait on whether Liz dies or not. And if that occurred, the Black Handers will require a conscience vote (natch) on the matter on the spot.

    (Incidentally, isn’t Turdball a champ suggesting he’s busting to have form of plebiscite the second someone who’s 90+ dies).

    That said, this is how Turdball has operated in business – go positive, push your agenda and dare the opponents to stop you. And he knows the ‘right’ will fold: can’t have instability/too many leadership changes etc. Can’t let Labor in. etc.

    The realignment of Australian politics will hopefully accelerate after this (although I won’t hold my breath).

    (For the record, upstream posters are quite right that a postal vote/legislation won’t deliver a republic; there will still need to be a referendum. However, can you imagine the months of agonising articles and broadcasts from the ABC and friends about how a ‘real Australian republic would look like between plebiscite (if there is a vote for ‘a’ republic) and referendum (that will specify the sort of republic that will be proposed).

    Heaven help us.

  177. DrBeauGan

    Any President must have the power to remove a prime minister who violates the constitution. The pollies won’t like that but it’s crucial.

    The candidates for president make prince Charles look good by comparison. That’s almost unbelievable, and I can hardly credit that I wrote it.

  178. Baldrick

    We are running surplus budgets and the State is debt free. An amazing achievement

    When other peoples money is flooding in via a tax called stamp duty, there’s nothing amazing about it.
    Just one of the many taxes the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party lied about and said would go with the introduction of the GST.

  179. Baldrick

    Cheers nota. Keep ’em coming.

  180. Mitch M.

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model — including whether to have a directly elected president — if the Queen’s reign ends while he is still prime minister. (etc.)

    He had one win with postal surveys and now thinks that is his salvation? Even Hawke has argued that Australia will not become a republic until the Queen dies. At present we have more important issues to think about. Is this just another pollie distraction strategy?

  181. Snoopy

    President Walid Ally. You know it makes sense. There was always that wiff of uncertainty about Barack Hussein Obama. But Wally? He’s the real deal.

  182. Nick

    I go to mass at St Mary’s Cathedral at Christmas each year, it’s becoming more and more packed. The later mass on Christmas Eve had hundreds spilling out into the forecourt. I have a suspicion that people are giving huge ‘bird’ to Islam and the usual kow towing.

  183. Geriatric Mayfly

    The candidates for president make prince Charles look good by comparison.

    Did you mean the Presidential pool Dr B ? Thank the Lord the candidates are not lining up as yet. Anyhow, I totally agree with the sentiment of a kingly Prince Charles radiating glory as opposed to who we may throw up. No matter who is in power, the “President” will come with political baggage, and if from the ALP/Green
    cess pit, she will need a couple of porters to carry it.

  184. Neil

    When other peoples money is flooding in via a tax called stamp duty, there’s nothing amazing about it.

    Yes it is amazing. Labor would spend the money on something and there would not be a surplus. NSW is running surplus budgets and has paid off all govt debt under the Liberals. An amazing achievement.

  185. Just Interested

    The question is whether, like Howard, they leave behind recurrent spending at levels above average revenues.

    Howard and his NBN spending! Oh wait, that was the other guys.

    Howard and his NDIS spending! Ummm… maybe that was someone else. (Etc.)

    Sadly, the response is confession and avoidance.

    Everything Tel says is quite right.

    But equally Howard’s Christian Democratic approach of Family Tax Benefit A/Tax Benefit B, beneficial treatment to self funded retirees etc. meant that when Howard left the Budget fell into structural surplus once iron ore receipts fell to average (and then heaps beyond).

    The fact The Other Mob went hard, went early and went pensioners, did pink batts, the NDIS, the NBN etc exacerbates matters greatly; however the current Federal Government fully supports the NDIS (because they ‘have to do it for Garry’), supports Gonski II expenditures, has the same timeframe for deficit reduction, will spend anything on Snowy 2 because they can’t walk away from their international global warming targets etc. leads to the conclusion the current Majors are birds of the same feather – which is why a realignment of Australian politics is necessary, at least at federal level.

    I do trust the NSW Government (the Government I originally was referring to) isn’t building in structural spending incapable of being supported once the proceeds of sales are dissipated and stamp receipts revert to mean (or below).

  186. John Constantine

    Left to their own inclinations, the proles would vote in presidenty mc presidentface as head of the country.

    Not one of the sellout, bribe taking quisling scum that have betrayed us.

    So a prole elected president will not happen.

    A committee of our betters will be announced to pick the president.

    Like the ruddfilth had a building full of Australia’s elite cocksuckers come together to think huge thoughts for the future of the country.

    How did that work out for us?.

    Any of those scumbags predict Bollards and paramilitary shoot to kill death squads to control the proles?.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Any President must have the power to remove a prime minister who violates the constitution. The pollies won’t like that but it’s crucial.

    Neither will the Left – no – one is ever going to do, again, what Kerr did to their idol in 1975.

  188. Tel

    The RET was arguably the most damaging policy in australian history. I would have little concern about hanging Howard for treason for that policy alone.

    Fair point… but if we just focus on the narrow issue of government spending, there’s been some appalling post-Howard policy.

    Starting various wars could also be seen as a commitment to government spending. Out of fairness I should include that, but hey, the troops need to train somewhere. Those weapons won’t test themselves ya know.

  189. Gab

    Nick
    #2598571, posted on January 1, 2018 at 4:15 pm
    I go to mass at St Mary’s Cathedral at Christmas each year, it’s becoming more and more packed. The later mass on Christmas Eve had hundreds spilling out into the forecourt.

    Went to my parish church for midnight Mass and it too was also packed. Haven’t seen a turnout like that in our parish for some time. Mostly people with Chinese, Indian and Filipino backgrounds and a few native Australians to a lesser extent.

  190. Neil

    meant that when Howard left the Budget fell into structural surplus once iron ore receipts fell to average (and then heaps beyond).

    That is garbage of course. The biggest mining boom and best terms of trade in our history happened from 2008-2013 under Rudd/Gillard. Boom started in 2004 under Howard but exploded under Rudd. Commodity prices are still higher than they were under Howard

    http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/commodity-prices.html

  191. Tel

    But equally Howard’s Christian Democratic approach of Family Tax Benefit A/Tax Benefit B, beneficial treatment to self funded retirees etc. meant that when Howard left the Budget fell into structural surplus once iron ore receipts fell to average (and then heaps beyond).

    Sorry to be blunt, but that’s total crap. Sync proved that wrong years ago, try here … http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/04/14/how-is-that-iron-ore-price-looking/

    The peak of the mining boom was 2011 and the country was running up big deficits well BEFORE that time. Peter Costello was able to balance the budget long before the iron ore price went “Teh da Moon!”. In comparison with 2011 the Iron prices under Costello were nothing exciting whatsoever. No attempts to re-write history please.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    Malcolm Turnbull has flagged a postal survey or plebiscite to gauge support for an Australian republican model — including whether to have a directly elected president — if the Queen’s reign ends while he is still prime minister. (etc.)

    Great idea.
    Abbott should suggest a bundle of other issues of public importance to wrap up in the survey at no extea cost…
    an immigration freeze, getting rid of subsidies on renewballs, building coal/nuclear generators, capital punishment for terrorists.

  193. Baldrick

    Yes it is amazing. Labor would spend the money on something and there would not be a surplus. NSW is running surplus budgets and has paid off all govt debt under the Liberals. An amazing achievement.

    If you’re looking for praise of the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party State or Federal, you’ve come to the wrong blog.
    Take a look under Z for Zimmerman. You may find solace there.

  194. Geriatric Mayfly

    This from The Oz. Taken in turn from Associated Press. The derangement looks like continuing into the New Year.

    Trump cited his success in placing a justice on the Supreme Court, his efforts to cut regulations and his big win on overhauling taxes, which he falsely described as the “largest tax cut in the history of our country”.
    Trump offered the video with a New Year’s Eve message: “What a year it’s been, and we’re just getting started. Together, we are MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Happy New Year!!”
    He later offered another Twitter message, loaded with his signature bombast: “As our Country rapidly grows stronger and smarter, I want to wish all of my friends, supporters, enemies, haters, and even the very dishonest Fake News Media, a Happy and Healthy New Year. 2018 will be a great year for America!”

  195. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA taxi driver blows alcohol reading of 0.128 driving on New Year’s Eve

    The Australian
    3:59PM January 1, 2018

    A taxi driver was two hours into his New Year’s Eve shift last night when he cut off a police car then blew more than two and a half times the legal blood alcohol limit in the West Australian coastal city of Mandurah.

    Police from the state’s Traffic Enforcement Group stopped the taxi after the 30-year-old driver pulled out in front of them at an intersection at about 10.30pm. They had been patrolling Pinjarra Road in Mandurah about 100km south of Perth

    According to police, the driver failed a preliminary breath test and was taken to Mandurah Police station where he failed a second, evidentiary breath test. His blood alcohol level was 0.128.

    From the Oz. Never do these things by halves.

  196. Infidel Tiger

    WA taxi driver blows alcohol reading of 0.128 driving on New Year’s Eve

    Cut him some slack. It was NYE.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Socialists – rich people telling poor people that it’s other rich peoples fault they are poor

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5223939/Jeremy-Corbyn-defends-Labours-plan-tax-wealthy.html#ixzz52uP2iiZZ
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    Comment, on Jeremy Corbyn’s plans to raise taxes on da ebil rich.

  198. Rae

    NSW is running surplus budgets and has paid off all govt debt under the Liberals. An amazing achievement.

    Gilding the lily more than a bit, maybe as a pat on the back for Berejiklians former role as Treasurer and current role as CEO, less so for Perrotet who has inherited a bit of glow.

    Michael Egan produced 9 surpluses in a row during his 10 year tenure as NSW Treasurer, and knocked $10B off the States debt without selling the electricity assets (although he and Carr did try to do so).

  199. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2598592, posted on January 1, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Fuck off Gargooglery.

  200. Rae

    Shut up Rae.

    Don’t see why I should.

  201. nemkat

    The Australian rewriting recent history, part 94:

    On p.5, Significant Events of 1995 –
    Court orders Mundingburra [Qld] by election after finding 22 Peacekeepers in Rwanda were denied a vote.
    Independent candidate Liz Cunningham wins by election, votes with the Lib/Nat Coalition, and the Goss ALP Government falls.
    That’s just a summary, but there are at least 5 straight out lies in that story.

  202. wivenhoe

    With regard to the Republic thing. “If” we ever go there, then I suggest that a lotto type draw of all eligible tax paying voters takes place every five years to elect our “President”, but no existing, or wanna be politicians, or public servants are eligible.

  203. zyconoclast

    President Walid Ally.

    You guys have it all wrong.

    Heil, President Yammi

  204. notafan

    Just a comment on the NHS apology Zulu posted.

    A slap in the face for the we are women too transgender lobby.

    Was the patient a Muslima?

    I’ll bet she was but even so it means women have a precedent for insisting on biological female medical practitioners if they so wish.

    Transgenders being relegated to the status of an obscure third sex won’t be nearly as much fun and power as they’d hoped for.

    Too bad.

  205. Boris

    If you’re looking for praise of the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party State or Federal, you’ve come to the wrong blog.

    If you don’t agree with something, present an argument.

  206. Baldrick

    If you don’t agree with something, present an argument.

    I agree Comrade Boris.

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Heil, President Yammi

    She certainly ticks all the boxes..

  208. nemkat

    A republic just means you elect a King every few years, rather than have an hereditary one.
    Seems to sorta work in the U.S., where the House of Representatives plus 1/3 of the Senate face the voters every 2 years, but the ALP want to appoint the President here.
    Voters aren’t keen to fall for that.

  209. Mark from Melbourne

    Don’t see why I should.

    Because you’re a rolled gold fuckwit who’s been booted from the site multiple times?

  210. Tel

    That is garbage of course. The biggest mining boom and best terms of trade in our history happened from 2008-2013 under Rudd/Gillard. Boom started in 2004 under Howard but exploded under Rudd. Commodity prices are still higher than they were under Howard

    Totally correct.

    Sinclair linked to Iron and you linked to all commodities, but the story is the same. Neil, I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with you on anything so I thought I might just take this moment in the spirit of the new year and all that to say, UR OK.

    … however the current Federal Government fully supports the NDIS (because they ‘have to do it for Garry’), supports Gonski II expenditures, has the same timeframe for deficit reduction, will spend anything on Snowy 2 because they can’t walk away from their international global warming targets etc. leads to the conclusion the current Majors are birds of the same feather …

    Because nominal “free market” parties are in the business of doing whatever the “Other Guy” did before them, but a little bit less radical. Just keep that cigarette paper between you and the opposition and call the job done. So Howard saw what Keating was doing and he figured “I can do that while being a fraction more conservative” and then Tony Abbott had no idea WTF he was doing, but if we overlook that debacle, we have Turnbull trying his best to be Julia Gillard with a smaller backside and putting a little more effort into elaborate displays of hand wringing. That’s how conservative parties win elections, by being a tiny bit less nutcase.

    There’s a huge difference between them in principle. Gillard firmly believed in creeping Fabian socialism, while Turnbull firmly believes in nothing at all, other than perhaps Turnbull. Who would you rather deal with??

  211. bystander

    Rae
    #2598595, posted on January 1, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Shut up Rae.

    Don’t see why I should.

    You will never understand, septimus , so just fuck off.

  212. If you’re looking for praise of the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party State or Federal, you’ve come to the wrong blog.

    BECAUSE the Liberal.Party are stupid.

    (Hope that helps Boris out.

    the door)

  213. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Cabinet papers: PM made captain’s call on Deane

    The Australian
    12:00AM January 1, 2018
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    Troy Bramston
    Senior writer
    Sydney
    @TroyBramston

    Paul Keating announced that ­William Deane would be appointed Australia’s 22nd governor-­general without discussing it with cabinet colleagues or public servants, and had initiated secret talks with Sir William about taking on the role.

    Mr Keating admired Sir William’s contribution to the High Court, where he had sat as a justice since June 1982, and invited him to The Lodge for talks. It was not until the second meeting that Mr Keating informed Sir William that he was being assessed, temperamentally and intellectually, as a candidate for governor-general.

    But The Australian can reveal indigenous leader Lowitja O’Donoghue made it clear to the secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Dr Michael Keating, that she wanted to be considered for the role and indeed expected to be appointed.

    The former prime minister said he was under some “pressure” to appoint Ms O’Donoghue, and he had huge respect and admiration for her role in the development and passage of the Native Title Act 1993, but felt she was not suitably qualified in the event there was a constitutional crisis like that of October-November 1975.

    “Whoever held the governor-generalship ought to be someone who understood all of the prop­rieties, legal and constitutional, of the role,” Mr Keating told The Australian. “1975 has got to be on the mind of every prime minister when he makes the appointment of a governor-general.”

    From the Oz. What is it with the Labor Party, and “Captain’s picks?”

  214. wivenhoe

    If you don’t agree with something, present an argument.

    Yeah, well, I probably could do that…, but you see, I am very old, and can not see any advantage in wasting what little time is left to me, debating with people who by their own posts, show that they do not want to debate, just debase.
    so… Happy New Year. oh… and fuck off.

  215. Eyrie

    Let’s remain a monarchy but give the Windsors the flick after Betty shuffles off this mortal coil.
    I nominate Prince Fred and Princess Maz. She’s a nice Aussie girl who did her royal duty and popped out 4 sprogs so the succession is assured and Fred likes beer and sailboats so can’t be all bad.
    Queen Mary of Australia.

  216. If you don’t agree with something, present an argument.

    Won’t domeone help him out?
     
     

    the door

  217. Only CFMEU members to be allowed to stand for the presidency!

    Or else.

  218. EvilElvis

    Don’t know about your areas, but people are really starting to hurt around these areas.
    Personally, I shake my head at their surprise, but many were expecting a bit of a kick over Christmas that didn’t come.
    Pubs and restaurants in shock!

    I don’t know about your area, but I would suggest this little carry on about a republic will be pissing many people off, to the point of actually starting to grizzle to their local member.

    No surprise, struth. I’m in the game and have seen it coming for a bit. The WA EPA can go fuck themselves with this forecasting of another mining boom, self serving dogs. Just check the ‘gumtree index’, more toys for sale than you can shake a stick at and none moving. I bleat on occasionally to my staff, if the thieving arseholes of council and state and federal government’s don’t get their hands out of people’s pockets there is nothing there when they put their own hand in. No loose twenty or pineapple in the purse, no spendy. No coffee and cake, no dinners out, no down to the pub for a pint and a flutter. The fucking rate and tax mooching scum feather and extend their nests yet are rarely seen mingling with the plebs. Fucking socialist slime.

  219. Snoopy

    But The Australian can reveal indigenous leader Lowitja O’Donoghue made it clear to the secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Dr Michael Keating, that she wanted to be considered for the role and indeed expected to be appointed.

    FMD. Who’d a thunk we’d be lucky scoring Holy Billy?

  220. Geriatric Mayfly

    From Pyjamas Media. Theyhas included a photo of theyselfat PJM. The horror!
    No scent though of the transperson, thank merciful heaven.
    #Myidentityisvalid is now the rage. More at PJ including the latest curse on these sad, sad freaks ‘pronoun violence’

    just your not so friendly reminder that you are following a #TRANSGENDER person. i just had to block 20 fucking people for supporting some rank anti-trans posts, and i’m pissed off about it. if you think people like me–trans people, especially trans women– deserve to be harassed, barred from bathrooms, murdered, tortured, forced to be hidden, ashamed, or any other kind of crap, fucking unfollow me now. if you support anti-trans laws, unfollow me. if you’re trying to keep “men out of women’s bathrooms,” fucking unfollow me and rot. there’s nothing wrong with us trans people. our identities are fucking perfectly normal– you assholes are the abnormal ones with so much hate and obsession with us. my name is jessi, and i am #agender #nonbinary #trans. i go by they/them/their #pronouns, and yes, they’re grammatically correct. and yes, #MyIdentityIsValid. yes, that means i have no gender. no, my genitals and chromosomes and my clothing choices don’t make me what you want me to be. no, your opinion doesn’t fucking matter. yes, i am #ProudToBeTrans. and no, if you have a problem with ANY of the above, i don’t give two shits, and yes, i will fucking block you if you do. #TransPride #TransgenderPride #enby #NoGender #NonbinaryPride #EnbyPride #queer #pansexual #QueerAsFuck #TransAsFuck #FuckYesImTrans #FatTrans
    M

  221. calli

    But The Australian can reveal indigenous leader Lowitja O’Donoghue made it clear to the secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Dr Michael Keating, that she wanted to be considered for the role and indeed expected to be appointed.

    What an entitled baggage that woman is. I didn’t think much of Deane but in this instance good on Keating. His ratty instincts proved correct.

  222. Neil

    Sinclair linked to Iron and you linked to all commodities, but the story is the same.

    Same goes for Terms of Trade. Best ever under Rudd/Gillard and still better now than under Howard but we cannot produce a surplus budget. The GFC is over and my Super Fund is going gangbusters so i think the govt is getting plenty of money.

    http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/images/commodity-prices/terms-of-trade-small.gif

  223. dopey

    Ian Chappell made a captain’s pick to open with Lillee and Thomson. The poms didn’t like it at all.

  224. wivenhoe
    #2598609, posted on January 1, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    Way to go, Wivenhoe.
    Chalk one up for us Oldies.

  225. Makka

    The RET was arguably the most damaging policy in australian history. I would have little concern about hanging Howard for treason for that policy alone.

    I think Big Australia is by far the most destructive policy ever inflicted on Australia. That it is undeclared makes it far more insidious and despicable.

  226. wivenhoe

    Way to go, Wivenhoe.
    Chalk one up for us Oldies.

    Cool, MV, I am at the stage where if it makes no difference to me, well let it be. BUT.. if it threatens my children, or grandchildren…, then you had better batten down the hatches, because I will be coming for you, and I WILL cause damage.

  227. Rossini

    wivenhoe
    #2598609, posted on January 1, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    +100

  228. Jumpnmcar

    2018, made it, phew…

    Have a good one Mr D and all the crew.

  229. Baldrick

    Victoria Police arrest over 200 people on NYE

    Arresting 200 drunken whities is easy, 200 rioting South Sudanese, not so much.

  230. bystander

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2598616, posted on January 1, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    Whoa, hold on there.
    #Myidentityisvalid, #bi-stander

  231. wivenhoe

    OH, and by the way, yes I do have guns, No never declared, Yes lots of ammo, and yes, very accurate shot….So what can I say other than… Come on down.

  232. Delta A

    Notafan, thanks for the travelogue. Looking forward to hearing more.

  233. Makka

    A south Sudanese shows how gutless Vicplod and Andrews are;

    “A PROFESSIONAL athlete who works closely with young Africans both in and out of prison says Australia needs to face up to its problem with Sudanese gangs.

    Nelly Yoa, a South Sudanese footballer, was also injured in a high-profile machete attack in Melbourne in 2011.

    His commentary comes after a string of headline-grabbing violent incidents in Melbourne last month. Among them were an attempted ambush on officers, a shopping centre cop bashing, an out-of-control house party riot which forced heavily-armed police to retreat and a mass brawl at St Kilda beach.

    In an editorial for Fairfax Media, Yoa wrote he is “furious and in total disbelief” because police and government officials “say there are no Sudanese gangs in Melbourne”.

    “Nobody should ever try and cover up or defend this unacceptable behaviour — to do so is immoral and inexplicable,” he wrote. “It is upsetting and completely false.

    “It is a fact that South Sudanese are over­-represented in crime statistics and are causing great harm and fear across communities in Melbourne.”

  234. Delta A

    I am very old, and can not see any advantage in wasting what little time is left to me, debating with people who by their own posts, show that they do not want to debate, just debase.

    Yay! Chalk one up for the oldies.

    Thanks, wivenhoe.

  235. Baldrick

    I see Teh Dumb hasn’t improved with its summer host lazy eyed Adam Spencer:

    ABC The Drum ✔ @ABCthedrum
    “There’s a reason politicians are scared – they get shut down so quickly on social media. When Turnbull was discussing matters on Twitter recently, every response from the public was the poop emoji”

    Breathtaking ABC insight.

  236. Delta A

    Way to go, Wivenhoe.
    Chalk one up for us Oldies.

    Oh, my gosh, I just echoed MV without even reading his post.

    Must be something in it.

  237. Muddy

    lol Muddy.

    Thanks Nick.
    The rest of you are a bunch of bloody Palestinians for not getting my joke. Discussing serious issues instead of cheap gay humour. Pffft.

  238. Delta A

    Makka
    #2598631, posted on January 1, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    Thanks for that, Makka.

    Any chance that anyone in authority might actually listen to him?

  239. Boris

    It is a fact that South Sudanese are over­-represented in crime statistics and are causing great harm and fear across communities in Melbourne.”

    Cats seem to confuse Sundanese whir South Sudanese. Sudan is Muslim while South Sudan is Christian

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