Wednesday Forum: January 3, 2018

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  1. Oh come on

    How does this sound: deregulate the shit out of aged care. Let those who have made little or no provision for this phase of their lives receive care commensurate with this. And those who have done the opposite receive the very best. And allow the market to cater for a variety of consumer demands. Makka, if you want to have your Aussie wukkas only nursing home, then by all means you can have it. There will no doubt be more than enough like-minded people – whether you’ll all be willing to pay for your preferences is another matter, but the market will decide if we let it!

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You do what most third world countries do, offer scholarships and support on the basis of willingness to work in the nominated areas. If they don’t comply then the scholarship needs to be repaid in full.

    That’s classified as indentured labour. It’s been unlawful in Australia since the early 1970’s.

    Interesting – in the late 1990’s/early 2000’s, the Western State Government ran a scheme by which they’d pay the HECS debt of anyone who wanted to study medicine, provided they signed an agreement to practise in rural Western Australia for so many years. The snowflakes of the day signed the agreement and, when they had graduated, went bawling to the media that they had only signed to “do medicine”, they didn’t want to “go country.” The whole scheme was dropped, but I would have thought that the State Government would have checked the legality before implementing it?

  3. Makka

    What it tells me is that you think zero population growth will cure all.

    You’re an idiot. Without immigration we’ll grow between 1-2% a year.

    You are strongly advocating for open borders and the population ponzi JC. You want our cities to continue descending into third world shitholes because cheap costs. STFU you’re making me ill.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    the Western Australian State Government..

  5. Perfidious Albino

    Sidebar: Trivago girl getting a lot of airtime at the moment…

  6. JC

    Bullshit. Combine incentives to relocate with removing the incentives to decline. Use your imagination.

    Stop this idiocy. You can’t have these kids getting dumped into rural hospitals as they’re stretched and only have limited resources. You want them trained in the big teaching hospitals where they see a good array of hospital life… that’s the large to medium sized cities.

  7. Steve trickler.

    Peak hour with air traffic control at JFK.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9mIbFmqyJk

    A.T.C. is a fascinating world…funny stuff ensues.

  8. Fat Tony

    Arky
    #2601901, posted on January 5, 2018 at 11:00 pm
    I don’t care what race these refugees are.
    But is it too much to ask that the dumbarses who lord it over us to restrict the intake to smoking hot bitches?

    Arky – I saw one of them a few months ago when I was driving the grandkids to school.
    Looked about 18 or so, wearing a skimpy bikini, and she was jogging along the footpath towards me.

    It was a good thing the road was straight cos I couldn’t turn the steering wheel.

  9. JC

    You’re an idiot. Without immigration we’ll grow between 1-2% a year.

    No I’m not, but you most certainly are. Current population growth with immigration is around 2% or so a year and we’re told per capita income growth has been stagnant since 2012…. WHICH MEANS if you cut immigration to zero our growth rare would reflect the same as the rate of per capita growth. In other words, ZERO!

    You are strongly advocating for open borders and the population ponzi JC. You want our cities to continue descending into third world shitholes because cheap costs. STFU you’re making me ill.

    No I’m not. I’ll repeat it again. I would like to see immigration basically closed down for the reasons I innumerate before. Those reasons are social and political… not for economic reasons.

  10. Makka

    You can’t have these kids getting dumped into rural hospitals as they’re stretched and only have limited resources. You want them trained in the big teaching hospitals

    You’re getting there doofus.

    Of course some can go to rural hospitals. They are excellent learning environments – with diversity and culture to boot. You really don’t have a clue, do you – sitting in Melbourne in your lilly white suburb and frequenting trendy restaurants. You can’t read this stuff to know it JC. Get out and see it for yourself.

  11. JC

    Makka

    You’e freebasing now? Rural hospitals don’t have the resources to teach expensive doofi. You’d be lucky if the duty doc isn’t drunk on his shift.

  12. Stimpson J. Cat

    Depends which Africans, how acculturated they are, and what sort of individuals they are.

    You mean the Black ones that act like White ones,
    am I right Lizzie?

  13. Makka

    Rural hospitals don’t have the resources to teach expensive doofi.

    Again, you can’t comprehend. They would be there for the experience, learning on the job. That’s how people learn too, you fking moron.

    Look, I know you dearly want your African nurses here , regardless if our kids are unemployed . I do get it. To keep down costs and all. I just happen to think that’s a pretty scummy position to hold.

  14. Arky

    I’m picking the end of the climate scam in 2018.
    Trump won’t sign up to any agreement that disadvantages the US, and given the main reason for the scam is to disadvantage the US, it will all just fade away.

  15. Snoopy

    As much as it pains me to admit it, I agree with Makka that a graduate nurse will get a broader range of experience over a shorter time in a rural hospital than in a large city hospital. But the snowflakes are too precious to take advantage of the opportunity. Because friends. Because rednecks.

  16. JC

    As much as it pains me to admit it, I agree with Makka that a graduate nurse will get a broader range of experience over a shorter time in a rural hospital than in a large city hospital

    How can this be, when anything more than a cut or bruise is sent to the city for evaluation as they don’t have the resources like scanners and specialist staff on hand. Perhaps you’re confusing bed panning with nursing as they aren’t the same thing. Most medicine is being dissected into specializations and the days of the generalist are almost over.

  17. nemkat

    That’s classified as indentured labour. It’s been unlawful in Australia since the early 1970’s.
    Indentures aren’t illegal. What do you think an apprenticeship is?
    Med students were still signing Bonds with the Qld State Government in the 1990s.
    Probably still doing it.

  18. cohenite

    I’m picking the end of the climate scam in 2018.

    It’s being sustained now by renewables. They have to fall first.

  19. jupes

    Why is the Precautionary Principle constantly rolled out to justify Climate Alarmism, yet is completely ignored in matters of immigration?

    Liberty quote from Mater.

  20. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yeah, nah. I have had both Papua New Guineans and Africans admit to me that that their ability to control that impulse to kill the person that just pissed them off is very limited.

    Excuses excuses.
    Goddamn Ethnics always have an excuse for bad behavior.
    You don’t hear me making excuses like that do you?
    What a load of sh$t.
    There is always a choice.

  21. Arky

    Well, maybe not the end, but the beginning of the
    end.

  22. Oh come on

    Steve Trickler, that was not interesting. If you’re going to post pilot-y crap, could you please provide a caption that a general audience is not going to get a whole hell of a lot out of your clip?

  23. jupes

    I’m picking the end of the climate scam in 2018.

    I hope you’re right but I don’t share your enthusiasm.

    It is still the policy of both major, and most minor political parties in Australia.

    Just because Trump is correct doesn’t mean they will change a thing.

  24. Arky

    You don’t hear me making excuses like that do you?

    ..
    Your whole schtick is an excuse.
    When are you going to man up and stop using your baldness as a cop out?
    Get out there and get yourself a root.

  25. Oh come on

    Goddamn Ethnics dickheads always have an excuse for bad behavior.

    With adjustment, I agree. Poor impulse control is a sign of a child-like mind. No excuses for your shitty behaviour.

  26. JC

    Just because Trump is correct doesn’t mean they will change a thing.

    True, but the US changing direction the way it has is huge. It’s a huge psychological blow. Also, the North East of the US is pretty important in terms of keeping the alarmism going , as it’s a very important intellectual cog.. That’s just not going to work anymore with the freezing conditions pulverizing the North East at the moment.

  27. JC

    That’s why we have fatty Gore and others coming out saying cooling is warming. They’re seriously worried.

  28. jupes

    Well, maybe not the end, but the beginning of the end.

    Or the end of the beginning. Hopefully.

    You understand that even the big mining companies and their professional associations have fallen for the bullshit.

  29. Snoopy

    From Instapundit :

    A city councilman was concerned that hosing poop-covered sidewalks might be culturally insensitive.

    A Seattle councilman expressed concern that hosing down some filthy sidewalks that smelled of excrement might be insensitive “because it brought back images of the use of hoses against civil-rights activists.”

  30. Westie woman

    I’m an RN – did the old hospital based training.

    When I was doing my nurse training at a big city hospital, we were offered a 3 month placement at Dubbo Base Hospital – well I certainly learnt a lot quickly without all those city hospital extra people helping us like EGG techs and blood collectors and blokes who did the male catheters and pubic shaves.

    It was a great experience – and as bunch of 19 year old girls , we certainly had amazing social lives during that 3 months. ( not related to pubic shaves! )

    Nursing has changed dramatically over the years – and it’s distressing to me that so many grad nurses come out of university with little experience – unless they work as ENs or nursing assistants in care homes.

    Pushing so many students into nursing without having enough post grad places at the end of their degree is criminal. Many are going OS to work. .

  31. Ivan Denisovich

    Also, the North East of the US is pretty important in terms of keeping the alarmism going , as it’s a very important intellectual cog.. That’s just not going to work anymore with the freezing conditions pulverizing the North East at the moment.

    Alarmists will have blood not just on their hands but all the way up to their armpits if their schemes are fully realised:

    During a recent trip to Maine, my wife and I noticed the large number of wind turbines cluttering the peaks of the ridges around the otherwise scenic New England countryside, particularly in Vermont. There really are a lot of them, and that’s the result of an ongoing push to get the region onto renewable energy as much as possible. Vermont in particular has been hammering wind power as the path to cut carbon emissions and make the state truly green in nature. And they’ve achieved an admirable level of success, despite the fact that people living near the wind farms are being driven batty by all the noise and the state is being forced to enact additional restrictions on turbine operation.

    But for the most part, as I said, that was all well and good… at least as long as the weather was pleasant. Now, however, as I’m sure any of you living in the northeast are aware, there’s a blistering bubble of arctic air throwing the region into a deep freeze. Suddenly the power grid is experiencing strains which aren’t generally seen in more clement weather conditions. So how are they responding? Local Hartford, Vermont blogger Meredith Angwin has been keeping an eye on the grid and she’s seeing an alarming trend (or at least alarming to environmentalists). As the temperature dropped, wind energy production waned just as demand was rising. And the local power companies responded by… burning oil…………………………………………………..

    (Rick Perry has) been trying to ensure that we retain our ability to produce power using coal, oil and nuclear as needed. But this has resulted in withering criticism, primarily from Democrats. ……………………………………………………..

    Rather than carping about Perry’s energy plans, perhaps these critics should take a trip up to Vermont this weekend when the temperature is expected to hit negative 10 without the wind chill. Take a look at their power grid and then tell us how we need to all be converting to wind and solar. You’re putting people at serious risk if we cripple the power grid and we need to come to grips with that reality.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/04/new-england-wanted-use-renewable-energy-got-cold/

  32. jupes

    . That’s just not going to work anymore with the freezing conditions pulverizing the North East at the moment.

    Well let’s just hope that it lasts long enough to make a difference.

    How long will it take for the freezing conditions in North America to change the mind of the board of the Minerals Council of Australia that ‘global warming’ is utter bullshit do you reckon?

  33. Snoopy

    Indentures aren’t illegal. What do you think an apprenticeship is?
    Med students were still signing Bonds with the Qld State Government in the 1990s.
    Probably still doing it.

    Apprentices can’t just pull the pin? And when a medical student didn’t comply with the terms of their bond, what happened? Nothing because they’re unenforceable.

  34. Steve trickler.

    Oh come on
    #2601933, posted on January 5, 2018 at 11:41 pm
    Steve Trickler, that was not interesting. If you’re going to post pilot-y crap, could you please provide a caption that a general audience is not going to get a whole hell of a lot out of your clip?

    Oi.

    It’s a high stress environment, and most people don’t even think about this aspect when they fly. Think about what is going on. And it’s only on the ground.

  35. Westie woman

    Steve Trickler

    Thanks and I enjoyed your link – being a plane spotter!

    I always end up on YouTube after I see your links! And a few plane forums as well..

  36. jupes

    That being said, I agree with this:

    True, but the US changing direction the way it has is huge. It’s a huge psychological blow.

  37. Snoopy

    Indentures aren’t illegal.

    I never claimed they were.

  38. jupes

    Not a knock-out blow, but a big blow nonetheless.

  39. P

    Westie woman #2601944, posted on January 5, 2018 at 11:52 pm

    I’m an RN – did the old hospital based training.

    After working for over five years in a bank I commenced training as a nurse in a reasonably large Sydney metropolitan hospital at the beginning of the ’60s. It was then a four year course. Trainees from smaller country hospitals would spend some months at our hospital to gain a wider experience. We also had trainees commencing with us who would after a year go on to be the trainees at newly opened hospitals, e.g. Sutherland, Mona Vale and later Blacktown.
    The old apprenticeship style was good in many ways. We were paid next to nothing, had to live in the Nurses Home with almost boarding school restrictions. Lights out at 10:30pm and a late pass twice a week which gave us till 12 midnight to be inside otherwise be locked out. If caught, failure to comply with such restrictions resulted in instant dismissal. Discipline was a major part of our training. There could be no error when it came to the lives of patients. Error could result again in dismissal. Failure of an exam more than once again was cause for dismissal.
    All the harshness only led IMO to greater comradeship and greater striving and great nurses.

  40. Steve trickler.

    Westie woman
    #2601950, posted on January 6, 2018 at 12:01 am
    Steve Trickler

    Thanks and I enjoyed your link – being a plane spotter!

    I always end up on YouTube after I see your links! And a few plane forums as well..

    ————–

    Hi Westie.

    Whilst you’re looking around, can you find me a clip on YouTube showing this furnace being powered by solar and wind.



    Thanks.

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    Today I wondered why, when Bob Hawke was skolling his beer, there was no crowd reaction.

    Now I know. The SCG authorities refused to show it on the big screens due to their ‘responsible alcohol consumption policy.’

    Jesus wept tears of rage. I couldn’t care less about his politics any more, but he reached legal drinking age in 1947 – when Bradman was still playing.

    If I buy a beer I’ll do what I damn well please with it, thank you very much.

  42. jupes

    Now I know. The SCG authorities refused to show it on the big screens due to their ‘responsible alcohol consumption policy.’

    I was at the Perth Cup on new years day and noticed a couple of busy-bodies with the obligatory hi-vis jacket making their presence known in our marquee.

    On their back was stenciled “Responsible Service of Alcohol”. I was curious but too busy studying the form guide to engage with the fuckwits. I couldn’t work out whether they were there to hassle the punters or the marquee organisers. The only action I saw them take was to tell a lady who was standing on her seat to get down. No they really did.

    Seriously. What sort of country have we become?

  43. Westie Woman

    Steve trickler

    Ha! Not bloody likely..

  44. Westie Woman

    P

    Thanks for your story – ximilar to my training except that mine was 3 yeears – my best friends are 6 others who started with me – 3 of us are still working as RNs – I saw a YouTube video last year of an RN in the US – still working as a theatre nurse at 90 years old and I intend to break her record!

  45. Bruce in WA

    Indentures aren’t illegal.

    Hope not; I have a couple of small ones courtesy of a baseball ball and bat in the mouth during the same game some 50 years ago!

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Then wise up and support options that prevent the problem occurring or growing

    Makka, you wise up, stop aggressing me, and actually read the various comments that I have made rather than going off half-cocked about them – for instance accusing me of being an ABC shill and of having no direct experience in Africa and of African people. Improve your comprehension skills, for they are seriously lacking. I made it very clear that I have no illusions about the situation in most of Africa. Nowhere have I said we should be encouraging African migration to Australia, my starting point was extreme anger at the monstering of an older lady in a tribal home invasion, and I am actually with you with regard to the nursing issue that this discussion has turned to; train our own first and let the market work then.

    I objected, quite rightly, early on to your implied categorization of all African people as sub-normals who are only half-way down from the trees, because that is plainly stupid and irresponsible talk. You have even had to correct yourself on that by admitting to having African friends. Mitch and I have tried to state the enviro-genetic case rather differently, and far more rationally too. Certainly Africa is a living nightmare, certainly Africa needs its own middle classes to stay put, certainly the tribal and perhaps enviro-genetic heritage in Africa is a compromising and limiting factor in African advancement, and certainly Australia needs to carefully chose its immigrants: I have done nothing more than argue this case. Your aggression towards me is both a misreading of my position, and cowardice, because you think me an easy target. I am not. Trust me on that. rickw might take note.

    I dislike being here when the Cat starts to sound like Storm Front on racial issues; the intersections of race, culture and immigration are complex and deserve better than ignorant castigations of people who are not us. That said, Stimpy, of course I want immigrants who are like me to a certain extent, no matter what race or culture they come from. So do we all, if we are honest about it. We want to be friends joining over a beer, not gawpers at weird beards and burkhas, a non-integrating culture; nor invaded in our own homes by drug-crazed youths on a tribal rampage.

    Mitch M – Your comment on the importance of optimizing the in-utero environment in order to achieve a good outcome for general intelligence in any population was to me a very welcome contribution to the nature/nurture debate in general.

    Now I’m off to bed. I suspect there is a new thread, but this late night response sits better here.

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    stop aggressing me

    He ha ha ja haha!

  48. Makka

    I objected, quite rightly, early on to your implied categorization of all African people as sub-normals who are only half-way down from the trees, because that is plainly stupid and irresponsible talk.

    I pointed out that when it comes to Africans you’re an airhead. I was right , you don’t have a clue Lizzie. You can’t even get your story straight and now lie. I clearly stated that Africa and the vast majority of Africans are worlds apart from us in violent brutish ways. For that reason we should not risk any more African immigration.That’s not racist, that’s realist. Because you know a nice coloured African family couple it’s ok to bring more Africans here. This is adolescent gibberish.

    “Certainly Africa is a living nightmare, certainly Africa needs its own middle classes to stay put, certainly the tribal and perhaps enviro-genetic heritage in Africa is a compromising and limiting factor in African advancement, and certainly Australia needs to carefully chose its immigrants:

    Despite the evidence that African immigrants and their kids are brutalising old women in their houses, all you can muster is “be careful with the next lot.” Pathetic.

    “I dislike being here when the Cat starts to sound like Storm Front on racial issues; the intersections of race, culture and immigration are complex and deserve better than ignorant castigations of people who are not us.”

    Like a virtue signalling coward you throw out “wace” when your argument is challenged and shown to be shallow and puerile. These “intersections” aren’t complex. That’s just egg heads puffing themselves up and complicating what is in fact a very simple situation- the African migrant experiment has failed. Just like the moslem one.

  49. cynical1

    Snoopy
    #2601742, posted on January 5, 2018 at 8:09 pm
    Hmm. Kev and Julia got 50,000 of unknown quality through.

    Some right Kunte Kintes in there, I bet.

    Virtually none, if any, of the boat people were Africans.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………

    Well, that’s alright then.

    Sad when Muslims are a better quality intake…

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Makka, at 6.38pm this thread.

    “It’s how they have lived for millennia and you think smelling and talking nice with them will somehow turn genetics on it’s head. You don’t have a clue so best to leave this go.”

    I rest my case. You started off on this tack, not me: your tacky talk, then insults.
    You jump in with some unsubstantiated and fabricated views about my experience and beliefs.
    Perhaps you should learn to carefully chose your words and tone as well as learning to read.
    It is quite puerile to do otherwise.
    Incidentally, you’ve offered no argument re genetics, as I did, you’ve merely asserted, conflating the complex issues of genetics with the equally complex issues of cultural histories and origins.

    “and certainly Australia needs to carefully chose its immigrants”

    You are misreading me again, and once more throwing your nasturtiums around freely.
    I make no claims that Australia should take in more immigrants from Africa.
    My earlier comments on the African youth gangs indicate I see great problems with that.
    I would close the door there, and also with Muslim immigration.

    I am glad I called you a coward. Clearly you don’t like that, trying unsuccessfully to throw it back.
    Well, I don’t like your tone towards me either, so let’s consider it square now and move on.

  51. Makka;

    Then wise up and support options that prevent the problem occurring or growing. Alternatively, you can place your trust in our Govt to get all selections right. Moslems and Africans – great record hey. Pity about the old dears getting beat up.

    I’d support cantonments in specific trouble spots, surrounded by troops – and I mean surrounded – with video camera surveilance of the refugees, seperated by tribe/religion, whatever, under Martial Law. Troublemakers who assault refugees would be shot out of hand and their families banished back outside. They would need to be fed and clothed by the occupying armies. No UN troops allowed. Their record of abusing refugees should not be tolerated.
    Australia would need to enable conscription to deliver the soldiery required.
    It would be cheaper to support the refugees in these camps for ten years while the contagion burned itself out in the lawless areas than to import them here.

  52. zyconoclast

    Only England could do this.

    Kawaja averaging 17 for the first 4 Tests and on the verge of being dropped with more failures.

    They help him get 100.

  53. To the Cats involved in the debate last night:

    Journalist Edwin Hartrich tells the following story about Erhard and Clay. In July 1948, after Erhard, on his own initiative, abolished rationing of food and ended all price controls, Clay confronted him:

    Clay:“Herr Erhard, my advisers tell me what you have done is a terrible mistake. What do you say to that?”

    Erhard:“Herr General, pay no attention to them! My advisers tell me the same thing.”2

    Hartrich also tells of Erhard’s confrontation with a U.S. Army colonel the same month:

    Colonel:“How dare you relax our rationing system, when there is a widespread food shortage?”

    Erhard:“But, Herr Oberst. I have not relaxed rationing; I have abolished it! Henceforth, the only rationing ticket the people will need will be the deutschemark. And they will work hard to get these deutschemarks, just wait and see.”3

    Of course, Erhard’s prediction was on target. Decontrol of prices allowed buyers to transmit their demands to sellers, without a rationing system getting in the way, and the higher prices gave sellers an incentive to supply more.

    German Economic Miracle.

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