Open Forum: January 6, 2018

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  1. Arky

    When the name you have chosen for yourself prompts Google search results with so many references to open borders, but you say you don’t believe in in open borders, it’s you who has the work to do.
    If I Google “conservatives communes” I don’t get so many results. And I certainly don’t get anyone calling themselves a conservative and advocating for communism.
    I think if you are one of these elusive libertarians who believe in strong border protection, you can safely stop getting offended when I slam libertarians. You’re an outlier, and I’m not talking about your particular brand of rainbow unicorn degeneracy.

  2. Forget the labels.

    One of the problems we face is the enactment of laws and regulations that override long standing principles of property rights and individual liberty.

    e.g. on the economic front, we were doing alright until we got laws that dictate how RETs and the electricity should work.
    Free markets work. Free people will work.

  3. overburdened

    it’s what normal people say where I come from but they aren’t cut from the same cloth as the gentry such as yourself eh

  4. Baldrick

    Just when you thought the blog couldn’t get any more loopy after hourly temperature updates by Septimus of an unidentified housing commission complex, somewhere on the eastern seaboard, along comes testicles.

  5. cohenite

    I’m a libertarian; libertarianism can’t co-exist with islam; someone prove me wrong; currently all Western governments are proving me right.

  6. struth

    An American would say that rights are GOD GIVEN and not subject to cultural change.

    That’s a Christian god, so he is right.

    Our western culture is very much a Christian culture, that is why we prospered when we had more Christianity and less government, and have celebrated Christmas and Easter in all western nations.
    We hear people talk all sorts of shit about what gave the west the freedom it once had, but it was the core principles of Christianity.
    You are free to act as you wish on earth and you will be judged in the afterlife, if you brake da rules, which are basically the ten commandments.
    Islam controls your every move here on earth.
    There is no free will of man.

    Then, a few thousand years of working out the best way of doing things and the zenith was the west.
    Christian freedom is a type of freedom that allowed the west to establish so called human rights.
    These are rights Christian westerners believe all people should have.
    They are not rights all are born with.
    Only those born in the west, and we are fast losing them here as well.
    They should be more correctly called Christian or western rights IMHO.

  7. JC

    Muddy
    #2603231, posted on January 7, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    the first time I ventured into the comments on an Open Fred a few years ago JC kicked my backside

    He’s also one of the easiest people on here to wind up, because he’s so predictable. Not that I have, but others have it down to a fine art form.

    Muddy, kicking back harder than one’s opponent isn’t being wound up. It’s basically just that, kicking and wounding harder.

    I saw earlier that you were whining about being ignored. I think you’ll find Rooster suffers from a similar problem. I can’t honestly recall anything that you’ve ever said here that was interesting or thought provoking. Perhaps, you just don’t have it in you to be interesting and thought provoking . Perhaps you should just man up and accept it. Plenty of people are just dull and you just can’t change that.

  8. overburdened

    and while the discussion is on origins, how come all there are pictures of deceased locals on the history trail around Broome when pictures and names are taboo in Sydney and Melbourne then

  9. Tom

    Today’s collective noun: all the vacuous fools in politics + academia = slimeocracy. H/T Tinta.

  10. Arky

    Arky, seeing you often talk about this I suggest you have a go too.

    ..
    Sure.
    But first can you say if you agree with MV on this?
    ..

    There are no “branches” of libertarian philosophy, and Friedman wasn’t one.

  11. Snoopy

    You want presidential? This is presidential.

    Barack Obama and David Letterman will make their return to the talk show scene together.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Everyone derides Gallipoli as a stuff-up, but it nearly succeeded, and if it had it would have cut a year or more off the war and saved millions of lives

    Dunno. Would the appearance of the Royal Navy off Constantinople have been enough for the Turks to run up the white flag, and could the Allies have spared enough shipping and supplies to “Keep Russia in the war?”

    FWIW, I’ve stood near the monument to the New Zealanders at Chunuck Bair, and looked down into the waters of the straits, and thought “They nearly made it.”

    My farm manager at the time was a Kiwi, and he thought it a right and proper thing that the monument to the New Zealanders was the largest and most prominent in the ANZAC area of operations.

  13. Arky

    Friedman was a supporter of the candidacy of Barry Goldwater against Lyndon Johnson following Kennedy in 1964.[1] Later, he served as a member of President Reagan’s Economic Policy Advisory Board starting at 1981. In 1988, he received the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the National Medal of Science. He said that he was a libertarian philosophically, but a member of the U.S. Republican Party for the sake of “expediency” (“I am a libertarian with a small ‘l’ and a Republican with a capital ‘R.’ And I am a Republican with a capital ‘R’ on grounds of expediency, not on principle.”) But, he said, “I think the term classical liberal is also equally applicable. I don’t really care very much what I’m called. I’m much more interested in having people thinking about the ideas, rather than the person.”[81]

  14. Makka

    along comes testicles.

    You would have thought that the Billions confiscated annually from working Australian tax payers to keep gin jockeys like testes and his abo mates in piss, av gas and meth would be enough to at least elicit some humility. But no.

    Given how abos treat their own, I don’t blame our wartime Army for not trusting them one little bit.

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    Max,

    As I say, I’m no cheerleader for Churchill. But:

    If the Brits and the US hadn’t kept the Soviets supplied with equipment including trucks, jeeps, ammo and other military hardware until their own factories relocated and got up to speed, the Red Army would have collapsed.

    With the absence of a Second Front, Germany could then put over two million more troops and all their support arms in France. The second Battle of Britain would have been over into two days, shortly before the invasion and subjugation of England. The European part of WW2 would then be over.

    People forget the stakes involved in all out war on your own soil. You do what you have to to win or you die. Katy’s wasn’t Churchill’s fault. Yugoslavia probably was, but it was the best of bad choices available.

    As for moral equivalence, Churchill didn’t kill 6,000,000 Jews. Hitler did, although he didn’t have to to win the war – it was part of his broader social program, including the concept of lebensraum.

    The Australians shot and killed thousands of Japanese in the Pacific who may or may not have been trying to surrender. Obviously I wasn’t there, but from what I have learned I would probably have done the same.

    Find me a losing general or head of state who has said, ‘We lost the war but we can hold our heads high because we were morally superior.’ There isn’t one.

  16. JC

    cohenite
    #2603439, posted on January 7, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    I’m a libertarian; libertarianism can’t co-exist with islam; someone prove me wrong; currently all Western governments are proving me right.

    You can call yourself an elf, or even a woman these days if you’re a bloke, but you’re not really a libertarian, Cohenite. You’re a two issue person with some very obsessive and dogmatic beliefs. In some ways you’re just at dogmatic and obsessed as the alarmists and muzzos you obsess over. Try and be honest with yourself.

    Like for instance, economic subjects are a decent part of libertarianism that essentially derive from natural rights. When have you ever discussed any topics that relate? You’re on here most of the day and evenings and I can recall anything you’ve said that would make me think you’re even 5.3% libertarian. Just me honest with yourself and us here, as you’ll feel better about it.

  17. egg_

    I find libertarianism starts from what I would call a “human rights” standpoint.

    Bequeathed by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels?
    Who recently admonished [email protected] for not pursuing the onus of proof on the Defendant?
    Despotism, anyone?

  18. JC

    There are no “branches” of libertarian philosophy, and Friedman wasn’t one.

    Lol.

    This is a crank sitting in a motorized scooter, who six months picked up on the idea that he was the only libertarian in the world. That lunatic, right?

  19. mizaris

    “Same Kind of Different as Me” – worth watching.

  20. Knuckle Dragger

    Hmm. Moderated, and I don’t know why….

  21. struth

    I’d go with 1950’s USA as an economic model and size of government type of scenario I’d be happy with.

    That’s freedom from bureaucracy and entrepreneurial freedom, still the church playing more of a role than government in uniting the country.

    If you say that sort of thing the left think I want to go back to bryll cream and ripple soles.

    I’m just talking about an economic model.

  22. JC

    Arky

    You’re veering off track again with your so called critique of Friedman. Now get back on track and offer us an economic and social model that you either support or conceived. I really would like to hear it.

  23. Tintarella di Luna

    Sorry if Tim Blairs 2018 predictions have been posted previously but I only found them just now and wanted to share:

  24. egg_

    Tell us the economic/ political model you support or have even conceived and why you believe its superior. Graphical representations supporting the economic model would also assist

    Point to the best existing one.
    The Scandinavians?
    The US – free enterprise at its finest?
    What Libertarian Utopia exists today?

  25. Rae

    I have no chaps, of the clothing variety, arseless or otherwise.

  26. Makka

    The best political model is the Swiss. By a long stretch.

  27. Whalehunt Fun

    If the men on the spot considered the indigenous people a threat then their actions are totally justified. If Pearson thinks different he is insane and should be institutionalised for his own safety and that of the public.

  28. Knuckle Dragger

    Because, Testes, the Japanese also enlisted PNG locals as porters and helpers during the Kokoda campaign. The Army acted reasonably, I would think, to avoid the same circumstance should an invasion occur.

  29. JC

    What Libertarian Utopia exists today?

    Here’s one, Egg.

    It’s nowhere near perfect and has lost ground over time, particularly since they weakened and gave women the vote in the early 70s. I’ve always loved the Swiss model. It was a thing of beauty.

    The Swiss model was closest thing we’ve had to a Libertaria since WW2.

  30. cohenite

    You can call yourself an elf, or even a woman these days if you’re a bloke, but you’re not really a libertarian, Cohenite.

    Lol, so elves are not libertarians; who would have thought.

    Libertarianism is tolerance. I for example tolerate you. Ergo I am a libertarian.

    Incidentally, there are no natural rights.

  31. struth

    If the men on the spot considered the indigenous people a threat then their actions are totally justified. If Pearson thinks different he is insane and should be institutionalised for his own safety and that of the public.

    They evacuated the whites as well.
    The Northern Territory in it’s entirety was under military control.

    Testes is such a wanker his wank wall clock that goes forward a minute every time he touches himself is used in God’s office as a fan.

  32. testpattern

    From ‘The Poems of Nazim Hikmet’ translated from the Turkish

    The Epic of Sheik Bedreddin

    ‘We’re crossing the Indian Ocean,
    We’re drinking in the air,
    Like a heavy faint-smelling syrup,
    And keeping our eyes on the yellow beacon of Singapore –
    Leaving Australia on the right,
    Madagascar on the left,
    And putting our faith in the fuel in the tank,
    We’re heading for the China Sea…

    Fear leads me on,
    Like a coffee coloured Javanese whore…
    The fire of the Indochina sun,
    Warms the blood like Malacca wine,
    They lure sailors to golded stars,
    Those Indochina nights,
    Those Indochina nights.

    library.globalchalet.net/Authors/Poetry%20Books%20Collection/Poems%20of%20Nazim%20Hikmet.pdf

    Hikmet was a follower of Sheik Bedreedin who led the Sufi Rebellion of 1416

    ‘Bedreddin advocated overlooking religious difference, arguing against zealous proselytism in favor of a utopian synthesis of faiths. This latitudinarian interpretation of religion was a major part of what allowed him and his disciples to instigate a broad-reaching popular revolt in 1416, unifying a very heterogenous base of support.’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Bedreddin

  33. Whalehunt Fun

    Who recently admonished [email protected] for not pursuing the onus of proof on the Defendant?
    Despotism, anyone?

    That should have been taken as a declaration of war by the Brussels filth. Any half decent government would have responded with bounties on the Brussels filth.
    But no we have the filth named Turnbull that agrees with them.

  34. calli

    From Blair’s 2018 predictions:

    Fearful of its planned removal, Greens politicians protect what they describe as a “heritage bollard” in Sydney’s Martin Place by surrounding it with Christmas shoppers.

    Chuckle.

  35. nemkat

    testpattern
    #2603432, posted on January 7, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    Shorter Test Pattern:
    the wartime ALP Government feared Aborigines in the NorthWest WildWest would join the Japs in the event of an invasion, and took steps to move them away from the ports.

  36. JC

    snap Makka

    It was the best by far. In a relative sense, it still is even after their two huge mistakes.

    1. The female vote.
    2. Giving in to the Americans/Euroweenies and opening up their bank secrecy laws.

    How’s this for duplicitous shit bag arseholes. The Americans basically forced the Swiss and everyone else to make holding accounts in their domiciles transparent. A couple of years ago there was an agreement called the Common Reporting standards allowing for government to government exchange of banking information.

    Guess who refused to sign up? The Americans of course. Now with a 20% corporate tax rate, the US is now the biggest and the best tax haven in the world, where you can park money there knowing they won’t tell on you and have the biggest guns in the world. How’s that. Don’t ever trust them.

  37. Joe

    Incidentally, there are no natural rights.

    No I think Tel wrote the most succinct description of “natural rights” as being property rights which you can defend personally. So rights over yourself are natural. So are rights over your land, and quite possibly your wife and children.

    Everything else is derived or bestowed.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah, I see. I used the J word in the moderated post. Sorry all.

  39. cohenite

    No I think Tel wrote the most succinct description of “natural rights” as being property rights which you can defend personally. So rights over yourself are natural. So are rights over your land, and quite possibly your wife and children.

    Everything else is derived or bestowed.

    There was a recent case where a farmer who had legal guns used one of them to defend his property against a drug infected burglar. He lost his guns and his means to defend his property.

    The point is all rights are derived from society. Different societies offer different rights and scale of rights. Libertarianism, which I have defined as tolerance, is entirely derived from Western society. Every right, however, has a commensurate counter-poise of limitation of that right. Libertarianism as defined, for instance, depends on not tolerating the intolerant (Popper).

    Am I still amusing you?

  40. JC

    Incidentally, there are no natural rights.

    Lol, so the US founding fathers were wrong to mention “unalienable” rights… another term for natural rights. They were wrong and you’re correct.

    That’s the stupidest thing ever said on this blog by far.

  41. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1651

    FWIW, I’ve stood near the monument to the New Zealanders at Chunuck Bair, and looked down into the waters of the straits, and thought “They nearly made it.”

    Malone, who was killed commanding the Wellington Infantry Battalion on Chunuk Bair, was probably more deserving of a VC than any other man, Australian or NZ, at ANZAC. Unfortunately his brigade major in the NZ Infantry Brigade, Temperley (an NZ regular) was less than enamoured of Territirials like Malone, and slandered the by then dead Malone in his reporting on Chunuk Bair.

  42. dragnet

    I’m confused by that epic of the sheikh. If the poet was from the 1400’s what gives with the references to the “yellow beacon of Singapore” (then basically uninhabited) and “fuel in the tank” (prior to powered vessels)?

  43. Boambee John

    Knuckle Dragger
    #2603465, posted on January 7, 2018 at 5:00 pm
    Because, Testes, the Japanese also enlisted PNG locals as porters and helpers during the Kokoda campaign. The Army acted reasonably, I would think, to avoid the same circumstance should an invasion occur.

    Some Papuans were later hanged for their part in the murder of missionaries and their families (including children) near Buna.

  44. nemkat

    Libertarianism as defined, for instance, depends on not tolerating the intolerant (Popper).
    So, if i were to call someone a racist, and enough people agreed with me, that would be the end of that racist?
    Or would it be a matter of ”re-education”?

  45. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Malone, who was killed commanding the Wellington Infantry Battalion on Chunuk Bair, was probably more deserving of a VC than any other man, Australian or NZ, at ANZAC.

    My compliments, and thanks, Boambee John.

    You’d probably know that the image of the Light Horse being slaughtered at the Nek, while the British Army sat on the beach drinking tea, as portrayed in the film “Gallipoli” is nonsense – the Nek attacks were everything to do with a coordinated attack by the New Zealanders from Chunuk Bair, and nothing to do with an attack from Suvla Bay.

  46. MsDolittle

    1. The female vote.

    Such a tease.

  47. egg_

    The Swiss model was closest thing we’ve had to a Libertaria since WW2.

    I look forward to sampling the mealworm burger patties in their Supermarkets.

  48. Makka

    Some Papuans were later hanged for their part in the murder of missionaries and their families (including children) near Buna.

    Very true. It was lethal to put trust in locals during the war years.

  49. No I think Tel wrote the most succinct description of “natural rights” as being property rights which you can defend personally. So rights over yourself are natural. So are rights over your land, and quite possibly your wife and children.

    Everything else is derived or bestowed.

    I don’t think that natural rights have ever been defined or understood in this manner whenever it has been used in the past. A natural right is simply a claim we have against anyone wishing to frustrate our pursuit of what we are rationally, and thereby, morally, entitled to pursue in virtue of what we are, human beings. A natural good for human beings is sustenance, so it is perfectly acceptable to say that human beings have a natural right to pursue this good and satisfy this material need.

  50. notafan

    Boris popped up to support the Femen idiot.

    Wow.

    What’s next Boris, a topless foray into St Peter’s square to steal Baby Jesus?

    I have no idea what a huge impact stealing a plaster statue would make but you go girl.

    You can do it.

  51. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1730,

    Indeed, a slander on the Poms. The officer who ordered the attacks to continue at the Nek was given a Pommy accent in Gallipoli, but was an Australian regular, Antill. He was known as the Bullant by his men. This was not intended as a compliment!

  52. Frank

    Interesting choice of words with regards to a drag queen having another of those spontaneous pesky wardrobe malfunctions on the set of Big Brother.

    For the uninitiated, in order to look completely feminine, a drag queen needs to “tuck” her genitals so they’re hidden away. Courtney’s were… no longer hidden away.

    Horrified, Courtney – real name Shane Janek – clutched desperately at the loose fabric in a bid to preserve her dignity.

    Her genitals presumably being a penis. You wonder if the author is aware of the contortions she is going through in order to write those sentences.

    Aletha Wilkinson
    Aletha is obsessed with all things beauty, fashion, travel and food. Which is great, since she’s the Lifestyle Editor at Be. You can usually find her trying out a new lipstick or fantasising about her next exotic destination.

    Perhaps not. Judging by her photo she cannot blame youth for the lack of insight.
    Full article: Courtney Act suffers horrific, epic wardrobe malfunction.

  53. cohenite

    That’s the stupidest thing ever said on this blog by far.

    That’s a big call given your presence.

    The unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are social scalars, desirable absolutes against which particular societies can be measured. Their degree of manifestation is entirely dependent on society and the degree individuals have to achieve them in society. Or do you have some independent, magical access to unlimited life, liberty and happiness.

  54. Tom

    That’s the stupidest thing ever said on this blog by far.

    No way! Far too much competition.

  55. cohenite

    Libertarianism as defined, for instance, depends on not tolerating the intolerant (Popper).
    So, if i were to call someone a racist, and enough people agreed with me, that would be the end of that racist?
    Or would it be a matter of ”re-education”?

    That would depend on whether you are Gillian Triggs or Timmah. Are you?

  56. Joe

    There was a recent case where a farmer who had legal guns used one of them to defend his property against a drug infected burglar. He lost his guns and his means to defend his property.

    What you describe here is the natural outcome of democracy, where only that which the demos declaims as lawful is and all rights natural or otherwise are subject to the whim of the demos.

    This does not negate that the farm owner “had” natural rights. Just that they were taken away without a fight due to the usurpation of prerogatives of the demos and the failure of the demos to live up to it’s promise to protect the rights of the farmer. i.e. the farmer thought that the demos was on his side and would protect him.

  57. Arky

    You’re veering off track again with your so called critique of Friedman. Now get back on track and offer us an economic and social model that you either support or conceived. I really would like to hear it.

    ..
    A confederation of free, democratic nations trading amd competing with each other.
    Within and among them would be suffeciently different jurisdictions such that a free person moving among them would be sure to find one that approximated their ideal.
    What I would not do is trade freely with tyrannies.
    We need to once and for all give up the concept of the white man’s burden, and it’s latest incarnation which sees free trade even with the worst of regimes as a tool to lift the third world up.
    I acknowledge it has done just that, with global “GDP” trebelling in the last few decades, lifting billions out of poverty.
    I don’t care.
    I prefer they live in poverty than in a tyranny tacitly supported by us through trade policies.
    I believe findamentally in the free movement of ideas.
    Free speech is important, not as a right, but as wn obligation. You are duty bound to support the free exchange of ideas.
    Private ownership is the biggest driver of both economic development and moral advancement.
    You can’t trade “freely” with a communist totitarian regime.
    Labor unions or any other mechanism that inhibits the individuals ability to trade freely within a confedeation of free peoples should be outlawed.
    Likewise any conspiracy between groups of companies of entities intended to limit the competition between them for the best labour.

  58. egg_

    The unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are social scalars, desirable absolutes against which particular societies can be measured. Their degree of manifestation is entirely dependent on society and the degree individuals have to achieve them in society

    Pretty much how global enterprises approach Environmental issues – it’s local market dependent – State/National Law.

  59. struth

    A natural good for human beings is sustenance, so it is perfectly acceptable to say that human beings have a natural right to pursue this good and satisfy this material need.

    Unless you’re North Korean.

    We think they have a right, because we are western Christians.

    We might even call it a human right.

    But it isn’t given in North Korea.
    The founding fathers of the States held Christian values, even if some of them weren’t that religious, and therefore what they perceived as unalienable rights, comes from that world view.

    No one is born with rights just because they are human.
    You defend yourself and your property if you can and live under the rights of the culture you exist in.

    In history, and to this day, westerners believe all people should have certain rights.
    These are western, christian rights.

    The Incas gave you the right to be sacrificed, and the Nazis gave you the right to be gassed if you had a big nose.

  60. cohenite

    This does not negate that the farm owner “had” natural rights.

    Ok, JC has used the unalienable rights of the US constitution as an example of natural rights. They are not, as I explained, nor is self-defence of your-self, your property or your family. So what is an example of a natural right which can be expressed without consequence from the social structure?

  61. max

    Indeed, a slander on the Poms.

    Not so sure about that.

    If they had pushed inland they would have occupied the position the Turks were able to reinforce later.

    The CO (forget his name) who thought the whole landing a waste of time was to blame. Plus poor Hamilton had comms cut off effectively.

  62. egg_

    Pretty much how global enterprises approach Environmental issues – it’s local market dependent – State/National Law.

    Mind you, the EU have their fingers in that pie, too.
    In contrast, look at the EU countries treatment of the US EPA – by VW, etc.

  63. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1730

    the Nek attacks were everything to do with a coordinated attack by the New Zealanders from Chunuk Bair, and nothing to do with an attack from Suvla Bay.

    And Monash’s 4th Australian Brigade from further up the Sari Bair ridge, but they never came near to reaching that objective.

  64. Arky

    The problem with any social or economic system I might come up with is that I am fantastically pesimistic, and fundamentally unable to concieve that things might turn out for the best.
    However, this is better than being a utopian idealist.
    We have seen where that leads.
    The best possible world is one which contains as large as possible variety of non- tyranical systems of government.
    One way to ensure this is to destroy UN brand globalism as we now know it, and leave intact Western national cultures to figure things out as their nature, not some internationalist elite, dictates.

  65. testpattern

    ‘It was lethal to put trust in locals during the war years.’

    The racist cancer clusterfuck is gathering!

    Unlike WA, the NT had a Native Auxilliary known as the Blackwatch. My old friend the late George Munggalu, a Wagatj man, saw and reported a Japanese sub dry on the flats of Bynoe Harbour at low water.

    http://wagait.nt.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Cox-Peninsula-during-World-War-II-Compiled-by-Jack-Ellis-and-Lorraine-Gardner-as-part-of-the-Anzac-Centenary-Programe.pdf

    http://wangga.library.usyd.edu.au/repertories/barrtjap

  66. Boambee John

    #2603508, posted on January 7, 2018 at 5:48 pm
    Indeed, a slander on the Poms.

    Not so sure about that.

    If they had pushed inland they would have occupied the position the Turks were able to reinforce later.

    But those positions (Anafarta Ridge, Hill 60 and W Hills) were far from Sari Bair, and occupying them could not have influenced the attack on Sari Bair.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Indeed, a slander on the Poms. The officer who ordered the attacks to continue at the Nek was given a Pommy accent in Gallipoli, but was an Australian regular, Antill. He was known as the Bullant by his men. This was not intended as a compliment!

    Visiting Gallipoli, for whatever reason, we got saddled with a couple of true blue Aussie bogans. They were half pissed over the lunch table, and were insulting the English contingent of said tour “Our mob, shot down at the Nek while the Pommies ordered them to go on…Poms sat on the beach at Suvla drinking tea.”

    They were invited “round the back” for a quick lesson on what actually happened, coupled with an offer of “contact counseling” if they wanted. They declined, and the English contingent did accept an apology. Some Australians should never be allowed out of the country.

  68. Joe

    Ok, JC has used the unalienable rights of the US constitution as an example of natural rights. They are not, as I explained, nor is self-defence of your-self, your property or your family. So what is an example of a natural right which can be expressed without consequence from the social structure?

    You are trying to get me to say that Struth is right completely and that there are no rights.

    OK I agree.

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    Didn’t Deadwood explore some of the themes being discussed above? An almost total lack of law and order, anything goes, in an isolated environment well distant from any central authority. Even there, in a sea of moral turpitude and where a scant regard for rights was the norm, there came the realisation that this social microcosm would be better served for the good of all with the imposition of restraints and awarding of privileges we take for granted. The gradual evolution of Deadwood into something better than a pit of anarchy, suggests that humans are hardwired to strive towards their better inclinations rather than live out their collective lives as beasts.

  70. So what is an example of a natural right which can be expressed without consequence from the social structure?

    There aren’t any, Cohenite. The only “rights” a person has, are those conferred on them by the society in which they live. The society itself may explain these”rights” as “God-Given”. However, the individual only continues to enjoy them for as long as society chooses to continue to recognise them.

  71. John Constantine

    Following the chicken save and pig save movement come the Stalinist working dog save movement.

    Sobbing in revulsion, the filth reveal to the media that working dogs don’t ride happily in the cabin of trucks, but back in the smelly dog box.

    Cannot be allowed anymore.

    Comrades.

    Tell vicroads that the dog has to sit on the truckers lap, because lefties have hysterics if they see a nose poking out a dog box.

  72. Arky

    GM.
    That’s a TV program.

  73. Makka

    My old friend the late George Munggalu, a Wagatj man, saw and reported a Japanese sub dry on the flats of Bynoe Harbour at low water.

    My MIL lost 3 of her 4 brothers in PNG during the war due to local betrayals. Your old mate George was sober for an arvo then?

  74. Tel

    The Swiss model was closest thing we’ve had to a Libertaria since WW2.

    Historically Australia used to be fairly close to Libertarian, in as much as the state governments had limited power, there was no Commonwealth, and London was a long way away, taxes were low, and laws covered the basic stuff like murder, rape, horse theft, claim jumping, and so on.

    We not only have gone backwards since WWII but we continue to go backwards, and despite some recent blame being dumped on immigration from assorted low-tech corners of the world, for the most part it was either people who had been in Australia for a long time who did this (many Australian political families go multiple generations in office, for example Whitlam was born in Australia from a father who was also born in Australia and a public servant, the Beazley family did two generations in Parliament, Rudd’s family go back many generations Australian) or recent immigrants from the UK (for example Gillard was not born here, nor was Conroy) … I must point out that those people supposedly shared our culture and values and wanted to take part in our way of life. Everyone banging on about the importance of culture just explain why our own culture gave rise to it’s “big government” nemesis, instead of tossing the blame on outsiders.

    This would not have been possible if the Australian people had not repeatedly trusted the two mainstream parties, shifting from one to the other, but never getting anything better. When Whitlam was tossed in front of the Australian people to ask their opinion of him, the answer was a resounding “Piss Off!” but instead we got Fraser (supposedly conservative) who sat on his hands for a long time then, never so much as attempted to undo the Whitlam growth of government, finally was booted in frustration. Much the same thing happened at the end of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd era, the overwhelming majority of Australians wanted to get rid of them, but Abbott then did much the same as Fraser, only to be replaced by Turnbull who has even less ticker in him than Abbott… and here we are having trusted “Conservative” politics with nothing to show for it.

    Anyone who wants to espouse the benefits of “Conservative” politicians should answer the question, “What exactly has been conserved?” Go on and name something the “Progressives” have not already taken away from you! Get out there and defend the track record of the Conservative movement in Australia, you know you want to.

    The so called “Conservatives” are merely well dressed bum sitters who want those “Progressive” policies introduced by someone else, so that the “Conservatives” can trudge along 20 to 30 years later when everyone has forgotten and claim the same policies as their own (meanwhile the “Progressives” jump to the next thing, and the “Conservatives” can sternly shake their fingers at that, not meaning a word of it).

    Screw that… it’s a worthless philosophy.

  75. struth

    The Yolgnu served under Campbell during WW2, but the rest of the people, white , brown or purple were evacuated from the north.

    They Yognu, well, they were volunteers.

    What does that actually tell you, Testes.

    It actually defeats your point.

    Aboriginals wanting to fight for king and country……………………………………………..wow.
    For the terrible white man.
    The terrible colonists.
    It takes a few years to pervert actual history enough to brainwash the gullible.

  76. zyconoclast

    Gary Oldman is a great actor.

    He was very good in Leon: The Professional

    Beethoven

    Mozart

    Everyone

  77. Tel

    So what is an example of a natural right which can be expressed without consequence from the social structure?

    The right to remain silent.

  78. Cheeze Loise Lizzie, two derogatory comments from you about Churchill implying he was drunk when he committed ground troops to the Dardenelles campaign.
    Do you have any evidence?

    Re the painting – contrary to Hairy’s assertion, other sources claim it was taken to his home at Chartwell, never displayed, and destroyed by Lady Churchill in 1977.

  79. Jessie

    test pattern

    Sorry that Broome didn’t get people out before the bombings.

    Two weeks after the Darwin bombing, on 3 March 1942, the Western Australian town of Broome suffered Australia’s second-worst air raid.

    The Japanese bombing of Darwin, Broome and northern Australia

    Missions along the ‘Territory’ coast/major rivers still have bunkers and there is a cannon left hidden by weeds on the shoreline further down the east coast of NT.
    A new book is out by Bob Baker on the Milingimbi raids and fatalities. One missionary was picked up by a Japanese seaplane and never seen again. Maybe to work in the mines or back in Netherland East Indies where the Japanese had taken over? The nuns took all the children from Croker Island (Minjilang) near to Milingimbi down to NSW.

    Odd that there was a TSI contingent (defence) and the famous
    Northern Territory Special Reconnaissance Unit (wiki article reasonably accurate).

    Speaking of the WW2,
    Bjelke-Petersen was Danish/Swedish extract whereas many Germans, some Netherland East-Indian, Italian and Japanese were interned as enemy aliens. ?Likely part of the differences in industry and perhaps attitude to Australia as a nation state was seen between Broome and Darwin + to the east. Inc missionaries of various origins.
    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/snapshots/internment-camps/introduction.aspx

    I happened to be reading 1996 Ray Evan’s article

    What characterises and distinguishes Australia as a sovereign nation is its legal system and its Constitution; its parliamentary institutions and how those institutions maintain their legitimacy; its military capacity to defend our borders and to participate in defence alliances; and above all, something intangible which the overwhelming majority of Australians share, the sense of belonging to a country whose place in the scheme of things is morally secure.

    https://www.samuelgriffith.org.au/papers/html/volume7/v7chap7.htm

    I will read your pdf posted, thanks

  80. struth

    The right to remain silent.

    Western right.

    Torture for practicing it under other cultures.

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    Makka and Struth,

    Terrific pincer movement. All bases covered.

    Testes, naturally, will now call you both liars without producing any evidence.

    He’s got more ‘indigenous old mates’ than Russell Coight.

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Re the painting – contrary to Hairy’s assertion, other sources claim it was taken to his home at Chartwell, never displayed, and destroyed by Lady Churchill in 1977.

    Don’t have a reference, but that’s my understanding.

  83. Geriatric Mayfly

    GM.
    That’s a TV program.

    So?

  84. Arky

    For natural rights to exist they would have to have arisen spontaneously, frequently, repeatedly across both time and different populations.
    Maybe some do, but many don’t.
    And they are meaningless without a coresponding recognition of responsibilities.

  85. Rae

    Cheeze Loise Lizzie, two derogatory comments from you about Churchill implying he was drunk when he committed ground troops to the Dardenelles campaign.
    Do you have any evidence?

    Nope. Just an overactive imagination.

  86. Mater

    Given how abos treat their own, I don’t blame our wartime Army for not trusting them one little bit.

    Just some food for thought.
    If the Army was so racist, why would they have given an Aboriginal man the second highest honour (for valour) achievable during WW1?
    They could easily have denied it. Many awards were denied to white men.
    Make up your own mind, but it doesn’t sound that racist to me.
    Government policies of the time are a different topic.

    https://www.awm.gov.au/learn/schools/resources/anzac-diversity/william-irwin

  87. Baldrick

    That’s the stupidest thing ever said on this blog by far.

    Possibly, but this comes fairly close:

    Rae
    #2591924, posted on December 23, 2017 at 7:55 am
    The Truth Is: Tricke Down Economics Don’t Work

  88. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Rae
    #2603535, posted on January 7, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    Fuck off, Kitteh stalker.

  89. I see that now SSM is done and dusted, a sugar tax is back on the “to do” list.

    Calls for a Sugar Tax are back

  90. struth

    I must point out that those people supposedly shared our culture and values and wanted to take part in our way of life. Everyone banging on about the importance of culture just explain why our own culture gave rise to it’s “big government” nemesis, instead of tossing the blame on outsiders.

    Because we weren’t strong in our culture, and weakened, it gave rise to big government, which is growing as church attendance is dwindling.
    Lefties blame democracy for the problems they themselves create.
    It is cultural Marxism through public education that is killing us, as we as a culture weakened from a user pays, private system for education, thereby bringing in by increment all the rest of our leftism.
    It isn’t our culture, but the lack of upholding it that is the problem.

    We’ve never really had a conservative party in government.
    Closest was Menzies.
    A free market, small government conservative party, so blaming conservatives for our mess is pointless.
    Again, it’s not conservative politics that is the problem, but the lack of it.

  91. Baldrick

    Excellent work there Zulu 😸

  92. cohenite

    Tel

    #2603527, posted on January 7, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    So what is an example of a natural right which can be expressed without consequence from the social structure?

    The right to remain silent.

    So, you’re not married?

  93. Arky

    Gotta walk the dogs.
    Thanks for the arguments, Tel and MV.

  94. Marty

    Re the painting – contrary to Hairy’s assertion, other sources claim it was taken to his home at Chartwell, never displayed, and destroyed by Lady Churchill in 1977.

    “Bonfire” is a noun, not a verb. But I used to think that about “podium” and several others as well.

  95. Baldrick

    Calls for a Sugar Tax are back

    Proudly supported by TheirABC and the AMA.

  96. Boambee John

    George Munggalu, a Wagatj man, saw and reported a Japanese sub dry on the flats of Bynoe Harbour at low water.

    Top Ender??

  97. Makka

    If the Army was so racist,

    They weren’t of course and that’s my point. The wartime Army’s actions were driven by proper risk management, not racism. Through testicles racist lenses however , everything is determined by race – we therefore become wacists. Testicles is just a low life virtue signalling tax eating coward , while pushing his wacist!!1 barrow here.

  98. struth

    Gotta walk the dogs.

    This morning I took the dog down the beach for a run (up here we have miles of beach you can let your dog run free) and it thanked me by swallowing too much seawater and had the squirts and spewed in the back of the ute on the way home.
    Hot up here, and cleaning that out of my ute in the hot sun wasn’t good.
    Bloody mutt.

    If only I’d had a dog box.

  99. Rae

    Zulu, are you talkin’ to me? What would a permanently sozzled old allegedly self-funded retiree who spends his dotage sitting around drinking allegedly good scotch know about anything? You should keep that wrinkled old gob of yours closed. Nothing worth saying ever comes out of it.

  100. Baldrick

    TheirBOM:

    Bureau of Meteorology, New South Wales ✔ @BOM_NSW
    #SydneyHeat According to preliminary data #Penrith has broken the all time maximum temperature record for both this station and the Sydney Metropolitan area with 47.1 degrees at 1:55pm. Previous record 47.0 on 11/2/2017.

    Oops …

    Bureau of Meteorology, New South Wales ✔ @BOM_NSW
    #SydneyHeat: Sorry, in our earlier checks we missed a 47.8 degrees C temperature recorded at an old #Richmond station (now closed) in 1939. 47.3 today still beats the previous #Penrith record.

  101. Rae

    If only I’d had a dog box.

    You already have. On the back of your ute. Where you trapped your dog in the heat. And gave it a dose of heat stroke on the drive home.

  102. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, are you talkin’ to me? What would a permanently sozzled old allegedly self-funded retiree who spends his dotage sitting around drinking allegedly good scotch know about anything? You should keep that wrinkled old gob of yours closed. Nothing worth saying ever comes out of it.

    I care not for thy feeble attempts at insult, Grogarly, for I have been insulted by experts. Come back when you think you can do better, you bleeding hemorrhoid on the arsehole of humanity.

  103. Makka

    Bureau of Meteorology, New South Wales ✔ @BOM_NSW
    #SydneyHeat: Sorry, in our earlier checks we missed a 47.8 degrees C temperature recorded at an old #Richmond station (now closed) in 1939. 47.3 today still beats the previous #Penrith record.

    Someone is going to get their behind kicked for missing the deletion of that record.

  104. Baldrick

    Medication time Rae. You’re starting to lose it.
    Remember, this is your last day on Day Release from Moriset.

  105. Mater

    Sorry Makka,
    I didn’t want to have to wade through TP’s slop again. Not aimed at you.
    The Army is a great leveller. Active service, even more so.

  106. feelthebern

    My farm manager at the time was a Kiwi, and he thought it a right and proper thing that the monument to the New Zealanders was the largest and most prominent in the ANZAC area of operations.

    What about the French?

  107. struth

    You already have. On the back of your ute. Where you trapped your dog in the heat. And gave it a dose of heat stroke on the drive home.

    It is a properly vented (two in the roof, side window slides open) canopy, and it’s a short drive home all done at 100k’s an hour. Plenty of breeze.
    How humans used to ride in cars before airconditioning.
    The beach has a shower and a tap for dogs and a permanent filled bowl of water which we took advantage of before we left.

    So ……………………………………………………………….get fucked.

  108. cohenite

    Someone is going to get their behind kicked for missing the deletion of that record.

    They’re all bookmarked, believe me.

  109. Rae

    struth, you need to learn some things about responsible dog ownership.

  110. Howard Hill

    You’re all too smart for your own good. I feel you’ve all forgotten the only rights you have is the ones you are prepared to defend in a group.
    You have one right they can never take from you and that is the right to assemble. Assembling every three years and placing a secret piece of paper in a cardboard box hasn’t worked and isn’t working. When are we going to change our assembly strategy and start taking back another right, the right to disassemble the thieves that have stolen all our other rights?

  111. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What about the French?

    Only saw the ANZAC area of operations, didn’t see the French.

  112. Stimpson J. Cat

    When Makka and JC agree you know it’s hot.

  113. Jessie

    In moderation so will post again in reply to
    test pattern on previous page in response to my post: Opinion piece by Dr Noel Pearson on paying respects by attending the State funeral of Lady Florence Bjelke-Petersen.

    Sorry that Broome didn’t get people out before the bombings.

    Two weeks after the Darwin bombing, on 3 March 1942, the Western Australian town of Broome suffered Australia’s second-worst air raid.

    The Japanese bombing of Darwin, Broome and northern Australia

    Missions along the ‘Territory’ coast/major rivers still have bunkers and there is a cannon left hidden by weeds on the shoreline further down the east coast of NT.
    A new book is out by Bob Baker on the Milingimbi raids and fatalities. One missionary was picked up by a Japanese seaplane and never seen again. Maybe to work in the mines or back in Netherland East Indies where the Japanese had taken over? The nuns took all the children from Croker Island (Minjilang) near to Milingimbi down to NSW.

    Odd that there was a TSI contingent (defence) and the famous
    Northern Territory Special Reconnaissance Unit (wiki article reasonably accurate).

  114. struth

    struth, you need to learn some things about responsible dog ownership.

    Fuck of grogery.

    Not here to deal with stupid and boring.
    You’ve got to be the worst and most lacklustre troll out.

  115. nemkat

    You should keep that wrinkled old gob of yours closed. Nothing worth saying ever comes out of it.
    Au contraire.
    Some find Zulu’s consistent wrongology amusing.

  116. Rae

    You’re all too smart for your own good.

    Not me. I’m a very stable genius. And a digital native.

  117. Stimpson J. Cat

    You already have. On the back of your ute. Where you trapped your dog in the heat. And gave it a dose of heat stroke on the drive home.

    Settle down Grigs.
    It’s a dog not a Grey Nurse.
    Let’s not get carried away.
    Plus it was probably a Staffie too and deserved it.

  118. feelthebern

    The French stats at Gallipoli was a big surprise to me.

  119. Makka

    No problems at all Mater. Admittedly I didn’t make myself so clear.

    “The Army is a great leveller. Active service, even more so.”

    Couldn’t agree more. Our wartime Army had a lot to contend with in ’42 and ’43. I’m sure they pissed off more people than those few indigines.

  120. Stimpson J. Cat

    Au contraire.

    Who human talks like this?
    Grigs tier robot confirmed.

  121. feelthebern

    Grig mistook you transport your dog the way he transports the poor women he abducts.
    Which is either in the boot or in the hollowed out back seat.

  122. struth

    Grig mistook you transport your dog the way he transports the poor women he abducts.
    Which is either in the boot or in the hollowed out back seat.

    That’s because they get the shits and end up spewing too.

  123. Geriatric Mayfly

    I think someone here should start with a jam jar and a few tadpoles, before dishing out advice on dog care. All of the Cats who mention their dogs, do so with affection and with condisered regard for their welfare.

  124. Jessie

    Part 2 testpattern

    Speaking of the WW2 as did Dr Pearson,
    Bjelke-Petersen was Danish/Swedish extract whereas many Germans, some Netherland East-Indian, Italian and Japanese were interned as enemy aliens. ?Likely part of the differences in industry and perhaps attitude to Australia as a nation state was seen between Broome and Darwin + to the east. Inc missionaries of various origins.
    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/snapshots/internment-camps/introduction.aspx

    I happened to be reading 1996 Ray Evan’s article

    What characterises and distinguishes Australia as a sovereign nation is its legal system and its Constitution; its parliamentary institutions and how those institutions maintain their legitimacy; its military capacity to defend our borders and to participate in defence alliances; and above all, something intangible which the overwhelming majority of Australians share, the sense of belonging to a country whose place in the scheme of things is morally secure.

    https://www.samuelgriffith.org.au/papers/html/volume7/v7chap7.htm

    I will read your pdf posted, thanks

  125. jupes

    Detain unauthorized arrivals for SECURITY and HEALTH checks, after which they can be temporarily released on payment of bail equivalent to the immigration tariff while their application to stay (as asylum or other) is processed.

    Yes those security checks have been working their arse off.

    Key take-away: the LDP is keen for more Muslims and tribal Africans to immigrate to Australia. Of to put it another way, they love open-borders.

  126. Gab

    Sorry if Tim Blairs 2018 predictions have been posted previously but I only found them just now and wanted to share:

    Thanks for posting, Tinta, I hadn’r seen them.

  127. Stimpson J. Cat

    That’s because they get the shits and end up spewing too.

    And then they get the hose again.

  128. Jessie

    Perhaps of interest to the war history and economics bloggers

    Shigeru Sato (2006) Indonesia 1939–1942: Prelude to the Japanese Occupation
    Source: http://nova.newcastle.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/uon:2637?f0=sm_creator%3A%22Sato%2C+Shigeru%22

  129. Rae

    I think someone here should read what struth actually said about his dog upthread. Someone here could then keep someone here’s nose in someone here’s own business. Someone here should leave the pontification to pontiffs.

  130. Stimpson J. Cat

    My farm manager at the time was a Kiwi, and he thought it a right and proper thing that the monument to the New Zealanders was the largest and most prominent in the ANZAC area of operations.

    He should have been deported before he could spread his ridiculous speech impediment and pollute our noble language.
    People who can’t even talk properly should not be allowed in this country.
    Or allowed anywhere near sheep.

  131. feelthebern

    Over the Christmas period I was driving over the Harbour Bridge & drove past a dude who had his puppy strapped into the side-car.
    The puppy had goggles on and was loving it.
    I was too much of a pussy to get the phone out and record it as I was scared of the plod beating me with rubber hoses for my crimes.

  132. Tel

    Key take-away: the LDP is keen for more Muslims and tribal Africans to immigrate to Australia. Of to put it another way, they love open-borders.

    You just made that up, didn’t you?

    The LDP would be making use of the same background security checking apparatus that multiple rounds of ALP and Liberal governments have been using… and yet somehow anything that has ever gone wrong, is all the fault of the LDP even when they have one single guy in Parliament. Go figure.

  133. feelthebern

    Grig is now the OT hall monitor.
    He must have been beaten mercilessly at school.

  134. pete m

    Struth no one gives a shit when you “time out” waste of pixels

  135. Jessie

    And a readable biography of Florence Bjelke-Petersen

    Remarkable
    And Dr Pearson, she was elected. By the people.

  136. Top Ender

    George Munggalu, a Wagatj man, saw and reported a Japanese sub dry on the flats of Bynoe Harbour at low water.

    I could not see that reference in the source: http://wagait.nt.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Cox-Peninsula-during-World-War-II-Compiled-by-Jack-Ellis-and-Lorraine-Gardner-as-part-of-the-Anzac-Centenary-Programe.pdf

    But there were a number of reports of Japanese submarines around the top end after the defeat of the Sixth Submarine Squadron of their Navy in early 1942. They are in general false sightings: understandable in war, and when false sonar returns give an indication of submarine it is usual practice even today to launch something explosive at it.

    There was even one reported sunk in Darwin harbour in June 1942; a rather strange suggestion given the place was packed with shipping and it would have had to have penetrated the boom net to have been there. There are no supporting combat reports from the boom net ships or the local naval base.

    From my research around the Sixth Squadron and the loss of their 80-man vessel outside Darwin – where it remains today – it seems they never again deployed in strength to Australia’s northern waters after January 1942. Instead they attacked vessels off Australia’s east coast. Strategically this was in support of their isolationist policy whereby they wanted to cut Australia off from US support, and thus deny the Americans a base in Australia. The Battle of the Coral Sea checked that. Midway began its reverse.

    The IJN also never used midget submarines in northern operations here, at least so far as I have researched, and I have had excellent access to their records in Japan. For any fleet submarine to be “dry” on the tidal flats here it would have had to come suicidally close to the shore – given the large tides of the north getting stranded may well have been the end of a vessel.

    There is no wreckage of any other Japanese naval vessels here to my knowledge: rather they lost 61 aircraft and most have not been yet found, as I detailed in my book published earlier this year.

    Hope this helps.

  137. Gilas

    You would have thought that the Billions confiscated annually from working Australian tax payers to keep gin jockeys like testes and his abo mates in piss, av gas and meth would be enough to at least elicit some humility. But no.

    Note how Testicles never responds to Makka’s valid, obvious disconnection between Abos’ take and their recidivist, violent, backward, paleolithic cultural baggage.

    SBS NITV is full of “documentaries” peddling the usual whitey-genocidal meme with deliberately omitted context and details, all interspersed with “courageous’, “inspirational”, “wisdom”, “balance to country” and other vacuous, insulting drivel.

    I, for one, have experienced first-hand Abos’ sense of entitlement and aggression, wholly divorced from personal responsibility, perspective and gratitude that they are infinitely better off now than their paleolithic savage ancestors ever were.
    As long as they receive favoured treatment through Centrelink and the health system this will never change.

    For their ultimate benefit, they can all die in a ditch!

  138. feelthebern

    $US100mill deal for a coach over 10 years.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000903491/article/oakland-raiders-hire-jon-gruden-as-head-coach

    The key thing will what the minimum guaranteed amount is.

  139. Boambee John

    Knuckle Dragger at 1811

    Testes, naturally, will now call you both liars without producing any evidence.

    Testes, naturally, will now call you both racists for disagreeing with him.

    Fixed that for you!

  140. jupes

    The LDP would be making use of the same background security checking apparatus that multiple rounds of ALP and Liberal governments have been using…

    Exactly my point. These checks are totally useless. In other words will we end up with more Muslims and tribal Africans living here.

    If you don’t discriminate at the border, then you have open-borders.

    … and yet somehow anything that has ever gone wrong, is all the fault of the LDP even when they have one single guy in Parliament.

    No. It is the fault of the Liberal and Labor parties. They bear the responsibility of the bollards and African gangs infesting our country. The solution of course is to stop bringing in Muslims and tribal Africans, something the open-borders loving LDP don’t consider at all.

    If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

  141. Mak Siccar

    Power outage right now in NW Sydney. Have to use mobile connection and not wifi. Thanks, treasonous politicians! Pricks!

  142. old bloke

    Top Ender
    #2603386, posted on January 7, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    Everyone derides Gallipoli as a stuff-up, but it nearly succeeded, and if it had it would have cut a year or more off the war and saved millions of lives.

    The British, at one of their landing points, didn’t contact any Turkish resistance. They reconnoitered some distance inland, climbed a hill which gave them a vantage point across the Dardanelles Strait, casually walked through a Turkish village, before being ordered back to their beachead. Once the Turks got themselves organised, those British soldiers never again left their beachhead.

    There was also an Irish Free Army contingent who arrived later, and they never encountered any Turkish resistance. They too were ordered to remain at their beachhead while the Turkish army was already so highly stetched that the Irish could have marched on Instanbul and not encountered any resistance on the way.

    The Gallipoli campaign failed not because the concept was flawed, but because of poor leadership on the ground.

  143. Boambee John

    Makka
    #2603552, posted on January 7, 2018 at 6:28 pm
    If the Army was so racist,

    They weren’t of course and that’s my point.

    Billy Sing, Harry Freame and Caleb Shang were all of mixed European/Asian parentage. All received the Distinguished Conduct Medal (Shang twice). Clear evidence of racism!

  144. zyconoclast

    61% of Koreans view foreigners not members of Korea

    More than six out of 10 Koreans do not view migrant workers as “members of Korea,” a survey showed Wednesday, indicating the country still has a long way to go until becoming a truly multiracial society.

    According to the Overseas Korea Foundation’s survey of 820 adults nationwide, 61.1 percent of respondents have difficulties in accepting migrant workers as members of society, a sign of deteriorating public opinion toward non-Koreans.

    The negative attitude toward foreigners also serves as an obstacle for the government that is considering opening up the labor market for immigrants. Many experts warned that with a working population that is rapidly declining, the government must pursue an active immigration policy that makes up for this. But public opinion is apparently leading it to remain on the sidelines.

  145. Tom

    He must have been beaten mercilessly at school.

    That’s because he was a retard and therefore a figure of fun. No-one took pity on him because he’s an arsehole. His only purpose in life is trolling the people who pay his salary. Sort of like a parking cop.

  146. Gilas

    Howard Hill
    #2603569, posted on January 7, 2018 at 6:40 pm
    When are we going to change our assembly strategy and start taking back another right, the right to disassemble the thieves that have stolen all our other rights?

    Asking the wrong crowd.

  147. John Constantine

    Koreans will make as many high quality robots as they need and remain Korean.

    The new autocratic transnational overlords of Australia will buy robots from Korea, then dispose of stale pale male obsolete Australia into the gulags.

  148. zyconoclast

    I love it when I here all the good news stories about how great the Peshmerga Kurds are.

    ‘You’re not welcome here – this is a Kurdish street’: What gangsters told police as they offered bribes to stop officers investigating drug dealing and human trafficking

    Police were warned to stay away from a ‘Kurdish street’ said to be under the control of gangsters, a court heard.

    Officers investigating the sale of illegal cigarettes, drug dealing and human trafficking were offered bribes to turn a blind eye.

    But they refused and the Mini Market shop in Hyson Green, Nottingham was repeatedly raided by police and city council trading standards officers determined to tackle ‘criminal behaviour on a commercial scale’.

    During the raids, illegal tobacco worth £34,640 was seized, Nottingham Magistrates’ Court was told.

    An illegal immigrant was found being kept as a ‘slave’ in a hole with the sole job of passing up illegal cigarettes to the shop.

    PC Lee Wilson said: ‘Illicit tobacco was being used to fund criminality, primarily drug supply and human trafficking. Senior members of Kurdish organised crime have been using it to fund criminality in the Radford Road area.

    ‘A Kurdish businessman offered us £5,000 a month to cease the tobacco investigation.

    ‘With others involved in the operation, we had a search dog and were told, “police are not welcome on the street”. It was described as a “Kurdish street”.

    ‘There is the perception that all the shops on this particular street are controlled by gangsters.

    ‘It is an open secret these shops exist to supply tobacco.

    ‘It is the perception by local residents that the drug supply is by Kurdish gangsters.’

    PC Wilson told the court shops filled shelves with ‘tinned goods and pickled items to create an illusion’.

    He said intricate hiding places were made for the illegal cigarettes, with new spots created after raids.

    One hideout was controlled by a fake fuse box and could only be opened when a switch was thrown which turned off a magnet controlling the locks.

    False walls were built and some cigarettes were hidden in fruit juice containers.

    The judge made an order to close the Mini Market shop for three months.

    District Judge Leo Pyle said: ‘There are no “no-go” areas in this land. There will never be streets or shops where criminals can go about their business with impunity. ‘Every citizen is subject to the rule of law. There is no such thing as a “Kurdish street”.’

    Trading standards officer Paul Wheddon told how a secret cellar was lined with cigarettes. Sitting in the cellar was a ‘failed asylum seeker with no rights in the UK’ who had the task of passing up cigarettes to the shop.

    When found, he was placed in the care of an anti-slavery team, the court heard.

    Mr Wheddon said: ‘He said he was dropped into the hole and would be given some money to stay there for eight hours.’

    The judge said: ‘Effectively it was a cell. He couldn’t get out of it. There was no escape had there been an emergency.

    ‘That shows the callous indifference for the safety of illegal workers.’

    After the hearing, city council chief trading standards and anti-social behaviour officer Richard Antcliff said: ‘We see this as a landmark decision by the court which gives us the opportunity to use closure powers on other premises involved in the sale of illegal tobacco products.

    ‘The message to those engaged in this criminal activity is clear: if you continue, it is highly probable that we will close you down.’

    Chris Larkin, from Nottingham City Council, said: ‘This is one of the clearest examples of criminal behaviour [as] shown by the council. The evidence of the police and trading standards shows the wider impact of the criminality on the public.’

  149. zyconoclast

    Koreans will make as many high quality robots as they need and remain Korean.

    The new autocratic transnational overlords of Australia will buy robots from Korea, then dispose of stale pale male obsolete Australia into the gulags.

    Yes.
    Yes.
    Sad.

  150. Top Ender

    Old Bloke, try Peter Williams Book The Battle of Anzac Ridge.

    He gives a very good analysis of successes and failures on the first day.

    I general I agree with you.

  151. Boambee John

    Top Ender

    You also need to look at Chris Roberts’ book on the landings. He makes some good points, particularly about Ottoman machine guns and artillery, somewhat different to Peter’s account.

  152. Makka

    The IJN also never used midget submarines in northern operations here, at least so far as I have researched, and I have had excellent access to their records in Japan. For any fleet submarine to be “dry” on the tidal flats here it would have had to come suicidally close to the shore – given the large tides of the north getting stranded may well have been the end of a vessel.

    Thanks TE. I imagine if a sub were sighted, with your expertise and resources you would have been able to uncover records of the event.

    Hmm. Looks like testicles has been caught peddling his indig BS again.

  153. egg_

    Grig mistook you transport your dog the way he transports the poor women he abducts.
    Which is either in the boot or in the hollowed out back seat.

    “Leather” seats?

  154. Jessie

    Apologies

    near Elcho Island (now Galiwink’u)

    AN AUSTRALIAN TAKEN PRISONER BY THE JAPANESE IN AUSTRALIAN WATERS OFF THE NORTHERN TERRITORY
    ON 22 JANUARY 1943

    “THE KENTISH AFFAIR”

  155. Arky

    Ok.
    Back from walk where I figured out a better answer to JC as to the best economic and political model:
    Queen Victoria’s British Empire.
    You could freely travel around the world to different jurisdictions of varying types on a theme, enjoy different native populations before they became completely tainted, under the rule of law and unburdened by excessive rules.
    We could get back to that.
    All the basic things for a return to Empire remain.
    However the Royal family would need a damn good shock to wake them up to straighten up and again take up their duties and responsibilities.
    I suggest they need to see another royal family dragged out and gruesomely murdered by a peasant mob. The house of Saud would be a good candidate.
    But without an overall return to duty and seriousness nothing can progress.
    We must reinstitute the death penalty for heinous crimes. We must reinstitute proper discipline in schools, and return to a time where malcontents and ratbags in general were publically flogged.
    A return to seriousness.
    I dispise the modern frivolity and shallowness.
    Without seriousness and deathly gravity there can be no real humour or grace and lightness.
    I resent the modern ethos undermining the seriousness of me and my family and their future.
    I hate the levelling and flatening and trivialisation of existence.

  156. egg_

    Everyone banging on about the importance of culture just explain why our own culture gave rise to it’s “big government” nemesis, instead of tossing the blame on outsiders.

    “The March through the Institutions” in the West.
    The Big Govt (Research*-)Military-Industrial Complex.

    *Big Research brings you teh catastrophism of “concerned Scientists”, viz CAGW, Ozone holes, etc.

  157. Joe

    You could freely travel around the world to different jurisdictions of varying types on a theme, enjoy different native populations before they became completely tainted, under the rule of law and unburdened by excessive rules.

    So, the native population as some kind of zoo. I think the ALT-RIGHTs freedom to live with your own homogenous national ethnic is more humane.

  158. Bruce of Newcastle

    Top Ender
    #2603604, posted on January 7, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    While on matters Darwin mud flats did you catch the ABC report Friday about the B-25?

    Rare view of WWII B-25 Mitchell bomber wreckage revealed during Darwin low tide

    It’s the final resting place of the N5-140, a B-25 Mitchell bomber that was on its way to the north coast of Timor for an armed reconnaissance mission during World War II.

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    While on matters Darwin mud flats did you catch the ABC report Friday about the B-25?

    Did see that, most interesting.

  160. Tintarella di Luna

    We must reinstitute the death penalty for heinous crimes. We must reinstitute proper discipline in schools, and return to a time where malcontents and ratbags in general were publically flogged.
    A return to seriousness.
    I dispise the modern frivolity and shallowness.

    Gee Arky that would mean the end of Andrew O’Keefe, Lisa ‘I’mfromCampbelltown’ Wilkinson, Karl “Cheatonmywife” Stupidnovic, ABC, SBS and all FTATV. I think reading books might prompt a return to seriousness and contemplation. I can certainly see something in that for me.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #2603586, posted on January 7, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    I think someone here should start with a jam jar and a few tadpoles, before dishing out advice on dog care. All of the Cats who mention their dogs, do so with affection and with condisered regard for their welfare.

    That is certainly true of me and my dog Spot (not his real name).

  162. Arky

    I would enforce the Sabbath.
    You wouldn’t have go to church, but you would have to attend some forum of contemplation of civil and moral gravity.
    And you couldn’t watch stupid football or get boozed out of your mind on that day.
    You would settle in for a roast meal after.
    And have to pay some fucking attention to the people who make up your life because there would be absolutely nothing else to do.
    I’d shut the internet down during that time and have a seven o’clock curfew for everyone under forty.

  163. W Hogg

    How much of Greater Sydney area ‘heat’ is ‘AGW’? Replacing paddocks with suburbs? Creating heat blocks?

    Officially, none. No one will ever acknowledge the difference in localised temps at Penriff despite the PO now being surrounded by office and resi towers plus a giant bus interchange, parking lots etc. Its been reaching 40 even with the CBD (itself sited next to an 8 lane expressway and bigly affected by UHI) in the 20s. Penriff should be the gold standard for studying UHI. But no one cares about doing actual science.

  164. Arky

    So, the native population as some kind of zoo.

    ..
    You choose the most trivial part of my post and infused it with a paternalism that wasn’t there.

  165. W Hogg

    The house of Saud would be a good candidate.

    As the Kenyan reminded those of us who had forgotten the disastrous Crimton intervention in Iraq 15 years earlier, Regime Change ™ brings a worse regime with 100% probability. With Crooked H egging him on, the Kenyan managed to create a worse successor than fucking QADDAFI!

  166. Frank

    But Arky, what of video games?

  167. Geriatric Mayfly

    “He fired like four times, the first one was near my ears and then the second one on my chest and the third one on my hand.” Police are still hunting the gunman, who Mr Singh believes may have been affected by drugs.”He was really out of mind like maybe he took the drugs,” Mr Singh said.

    But under caring supervision at the injecting parlour presumably.

  168. DrBeauGan

    *Big Research brings you teh catastrophism of “concerned Scientists”, viz CAGW, Ozone holes, etc.

    Correct, egg. Big government research is corrupting. It has had its successes, the Manhattan project and early NASA, but overall it’s had dreadful consequences for the integrity of science.

  169. Joe

    Arky:

    You choose the most trivial part of my post and infused it with a paternalism that wasn’t there.

    Followed by Arky:

    I would enforce the Sabbath.
    You wouldn’t have go to church, but you would have to attend some forum of contemplation of civil and moral gravity.
    And you couldn’t watch stupid football or get boozed out of your mind on that day.
    You would settle in for a roast meal after.

    Not paternalistic or trivial at all.

    Having said that, I have to agree that Sunday should be returned to family life IN THE HOME. No sport, no Pubs, no shops, no casinos or gambling. Only restaurants open. A day for visiting family and rest. I would also insist that Christianity is the religion of state and if you want to worship then Christianity is the only religion allowed.

  170. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But under caring supervision at the injecting parlour presumably.

    Story goes that, when the New South Wales Government set up safe injecting rooms, one of the first users injected himself, then lit a cigarette.

    “I’m sorry.” said the attendant “This is a non smoking area.”

  171. Arky

    It has had its successes, the Manhattan project

    ..
    I’m not sure that is true.
    They took years to produce a handfull of bombs in time for the war in Europe to already be over, were riddled with foriegn agents with a direct line to Stalin and spent most of their first few years on a bomb type they couldn’t obtain enough fuel for to make more than one bomb (fat boy).

  172. Infidel Tiger

    As the Kenyan reminded those of us who had forgotten the disastrous Crimton intervention in Iraq 15 years earlier, Regime Change ™ brings a worse regime with 100% probability. With Crooked H egging him on, the Kenyan managed to create a worse successor than fucking QADDAFI!

    Can’t blame the Clintons for that clusterfuck.

    GWB and the neocon crime cabal should all be in jail.

  173. Geriatric Mayfly

    Sydney suffers hottest day since 1939
    Temperatures around the Australian city reach 47.3C (117F), prompting severe fire warnings.
    BBC

    US shivers as temperatures hit record lows BBC
    6 January 2018

    There is a glaring imbalance here. Nature abhors them and always strives for equilibrium. Maybe not, as both have been filed under global warming, so stability has been maintained.

  174. Boambee John

    W Hogg at 2000

    But no one cares about doing actual science.

    Certainly not if it might put the flow of grant cash at risk.

  175. egg_

    Big government research is corrupting. It has had its successes, the Manhattan project and early NASA, but overall it’s had dreadful consequences for the integrity of science.

    Yup, the RMIC delivers massive wind farms, etc. on your coin.
    Hasn’t the US Navy gone all “Green” in recent years?

  176. Top Ender

    Rare view of WWII B-25 Mitchell bomber wreckage revealed during Darwin low tide

    Yes, it was “found” by a group of us around 1990. Took several weeks of searching.

    No-one we contacted in the Sub-Aqua Club at that time knew of its precise location, although many said “X knows” and then it turns out X heard it from Y, who….

    Darwin Harbour is home to scores of wrecks from Tracy, WWII and other catastrophic events.

  177. Boambee John

    Arky at 2010

    spent most of their first few years on a bomb type they couldn’t obtain enough fuel for to make more than one bomb (fat boy).

    Pursuing both the Plutonium 239 and Uranium 235 alternatives was (imo) a sensible “hedging of bets” in an era when they were feeling their way. If they had pursued only one option, and it had not worked, the invasion of Japan would have gone ahead.

    After Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and a mass of other minor and not so minor wars since 1945, the US has still not used up the stock of Purple Heart medals minted for that invasion. Think about what that indicates about the expected scale of casualties during the invasion.

  178. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2603660, posted on January 7, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    Wilson and FDR were the start.

  179. JC

    Cohenite

    You claimed to be a libertarian, which I found laughable. You then claimed there are no such things as natural rights, which is one of the most basic pillars of Libertarian philosophy. Are you still claiming to be libertarian? Lol.

    Go join the Fault on his motor scooter.

  180. stackja

    There is still a debate on Operation Downfall/Operation Olympic? Keeps Stalinist happy.

  181. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The West: Stolen fire truck, close to a write off

    Jan4

    A stolen fire truck has been left an almost write off after it was taken bush bashing on New Years Eve.

    The fire truck, stolen from Torbay Volunteer Fire Brigade on December 30 was taken off road to avoid police and found in bushland near Norseman on New Years Day.

    City of Albany’s chief fire control officer Darren Prior said fire crew’s successfully located the vehicle on January 1 which had been doused in petrol however unsuccessfully torched.

    “The truck had a considerable amount of damage to it when we discovered it,” he said.

    “Firstly they had removed the pumps and hose reels from the back and dumped them in the Kalgan River and then when we found the truck we noticed one flat tyre, all the emergency lights had been broken, the windscreen was smashed and the wiring had been destroyed underneath the dash,” he said.

    “Although they had doused the interior in petrol, they had unsuccessfully lit it up.”

    Mr Prior said the damage would be close to a complete right off.

    “I would say the replacement value of the truck would be around $166,000,” he said.

    “What happens now is we put in a submission to DFES for a loan vehicle until we can sort out the insurance and sort out a permanent replacement truck.”

    Mr Prior said this was an act of complete stupidity.

    “It’s such a stupid thing for someone to do in our community, these people obviously weren’t thinking and are not very community minded people,” he said.

    “This sort of thing puts everyone at risk especially in our summer months when we need as many resources as we can.”

    Mr Prior urges anyone with information to contact the Albany Police.

    Stealing and trashing the local firetruck, at the height of the bushfire season, yeah, good one, fuckwits.

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yes, it was “found” by a group of us around 1990.

    😀
    Sorry TE. I’ve a long personal history of discussions like:
    Me: What if we try this?
    Boss: They tried it in 1925, it didn’t work.
    Me: Oh. How about this then?
    Boss: That’s a really good idea but the current method is 20% cheaper.
    Me: Sorry Boss. Ok, here’s another idea…

    Occasionally I do actually get a hit!

  183. JC

    Arky

    When I asked for an economic and social model I didn’t ask for examples, which is what you offered
    (and surprisingly align with libertarianism that you frequently criticise). By model, I mean a philosophical treatise of your belief system.

  184. Muddy

    I saw earlier that you were whining about being ignored. I think you’ll find Rooster suffers from a similar problem. I can’t honestly recall anything that you’ve ever said here that was interesting or thought provoking. Perhaps, you just don’t have it in you to be interesting and thought provoking . Perhaps you should just man up and accept it. Plenty of people are just dull and you just can’t change that.

    You could be right, J.C. Thanks for setting me straight. Sometimes I need a person of calibre to show me a mirror.

  185. egg_

    The best political model is the Swiss.

    Land locked.
    No Navy.

  186. Go join the Fault on his motor scooter.

    It’s got a flat tyre, moron.
    We discussed this earlier.

    .
    BTW – “Natural Rights”, in pillars or otherwise, are not fundamental to libertarian philosophy.

  187. stackja

    Bureau of Meteorology, New South Wales ✔ @BOM_NSW
    #SydneyHeat: Sorry, in our earlier checks we missed a 47.8 degrees C temperature recorded at an old #Richmond station (now closed) in 1939. 47.3 today still beats the previous #Penrith record.

    Penrith AWS created for the 2000 Olympics?

  188. Arky

    By model, I mean a philosophical treatise of your belief system.

    ..
    My belief system is traditional, christian, conservative.
    While the progressives are in charge.
    If christian conservatives get into a situation and develop a penchant to start telling me what to do I will review.
    However, given my upbringing it won’t vastly vary in taste to that.

  189. Arky

    Mostly I miss the remnants of Empire and dispise the modern.

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “Bonfire” is a noun, not a verb.

    A word means exactly what I want it to mean. Just call me Queenie.

    Re Churchill. There is good evidence that he drank a lot, daily, and not just when off duty.
    I am asking if anyone knew how aware he was of the terrain when he planned Gallipoli.
    I don’t know the answer, but have suggested he might not have done his proper homework.
    Now Hairy is going to make me watch the Churchill movie tonight on Foxtel.
    Does anyone know if it is a stinker, as I’d prefer to watch The Crown.

    Re the picture of Churchill – Hairy says it might have been bonfired by Clemmie.
    She was probably fed up with his legacy by then. Hairy says he was only going from faint memory.
    The fact that he knew something at all about it suggests we are moving into his era on The Crown.
    I shall use that as an excuse to get him to watch it if the Churchill movie is a dud.

  191. Steve trickler.

    Anyone got a death toll from the hot day in Sydney?

    What is the body count?

  192. old bloke

    Top Ender
    #2603665, posted on January 7, 2018 at 8:17 pm

    Rare view of WWII B-25 Mitchell bomber wreckage revealed during Darwin low tide

    Yes, it was “found” by a group of us around 1990. Took several weeks of searching.

    TE, anyone who wants to go walkies on the mud flats around Nightcliff or Rapid Creek needs to have their head read. There are those large lizard critters there which can move over the mud flats faster than a human can get out of their way.

  193. Stimpson J. Cat

    The best political model is the Swiss.

    Their libertarian Paradise is propped up by Nazi gold.
    They are secret Nazis.
    Everyone knows this.

  194. Infidel Tiger

    Say what you will about Churchill but after Gallipoli he did his penance on the Western Front.

    GWB destroyed the Middle East, got 500,000 Christians murdered and is able to walk around a free man. That shit ain’t right.

  195. Bruce of Newcastle

    Penrith AWS created for the 2000 Olympics?

    The whitewater course still gets used a lot, but costs.
    Pumping vast amounts of water in a circle = $$.
    Typical Australian approach to such things.

    Penrith Whitewater Stadium

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    I know about AWSs btw, I’m being tangential via wine.

  197. Tintarella di Luna

    Anyone got a death toll from the hot day in Sydney?

    What is the body count?

    Had a call from my SIL in Sydney telling me it was the hottest day in history recorded in Sydney — I said no it wasn’t that it was the hottest day recorded since 1939 when the record was 47.8 — she tried to argue but I would have none of it — She’s a Global Warming loon because she just believes ‘the scientists’ — I just have to call out the BS whenever I can

  198. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    The Australians shot and killed thousands of Japanese in the Pacific who may or may not have been trying to surrender. Obviously I wasn’t there, but from what I have learned I would probably have done the same.

    @ Knuckle Dragger, this reminds me of an old gent that I knew a couple of decades back. I suspect he’s long deceased since he was 70-odd when I knew him around 25 years ago. He was in the merchant navy during WW2, and his wife had been in Singapore when it fell, so she was imprisoned. He was no fan of the Japanese decades after the war was won.

    He was doing consultancy work for a company that imported marine parts and they were having difficulty dealing with their Japanese suppliers. Sooo, they called the old gent in and asked him to have a chat with the supplier. As he related to me, the conversation basically went:

    Gent: Now listen to me. I was there during the war, I know how you bastards work, so don’t give me any more of your shit.
    Supplier: ” …..”

    That was the cleaned up version, and the company had no more issues.

  199. Entropy

    A word means exactly what I want it to mean. Just call me Queenie

    I will call you Humpty Dumpty instead.

  200. cohenite

    Arky

    #2603639, posted on January 7, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    Ok.
    Back from walk where I figured out a better answer to JC as to the best economic and political model:
    Queen Victoria’s British Empire.
    You could freely travel around the world to different jurisdictions of varying types on a theme, enjoy different native populations before they became completely tainted, under the rule of law and unburdened by excessive rules.
    We could get back to that.
    All the basic things for a return to Empire remain.
    However the Royal family would need a damn good shock to wake them up to straighten up and again take up their duties and responsibilities.
    I suggest they need to see another royal family dragged out and gruesomely murdered by a peasant mob. The house of Saud would be a good candidate.
    But without an overall return to duty and seriousness nothing can progress.
    We must reinstitute the death penalty for heinous crimes. We must reinstitute proper discipline in schools, and return to a time where malcontents and ratbags in general were publically flogged.
    A return to seriousness.
    I dispise the modern frivolity and shallowness.
    Without seriousness and deathly gravity there can be no real humour or grace and lightness.
    I resent the modern ethos undermining the seriousness of me and my family and their future.
    I hate the levelling and flatening and trivialisation of existence.

    Well said; and don’t forget cricket.

  201. cohenite

    Cohenite

    You claimed to be a libertarian, which I found laughable. You then claimed there are no such things as natural rights, which is one of the most basic pillars of Libertarian philosophy. Are you still claiming to be libertarian? Lol.

    Go join the Fault on his motor scooter.

    I can see you haven’t been following again. I repeat, I am most certainly a libertarian because I tolerate you and don’t call you a bore and a wanker.

  202. Steve trickler.

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2603700, posted on January 7, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    My old man thinks the same way, Tintarella. The subject can end phone calls, with him hanging up. The heatwaves of 1896 /1930’s…..none dare mention.

  203. egg_

    Just saw a promo for Teh Project with Lisa Wilkinson – looks like mum with the retard kids – is that a plot for a new sitcom?

  204. Top Ender

    Old Bloke, we always – still do – rely on the rangers removing the large Attack Lizards.

    More chance of stepping on a stonefish. Bloke I dived with brushed one with his gloves in a zero viz dive searching for a bag of tools dropped off the back of a patrol boat.

    He said it was just like running into the ends of some steel wire strands. Then the pain started to hit and he realised and started coming up rather too fast. The first aid is hot water and medical help – the water minimises the pain. Was interesting getting him to hospital. Then he nearly died from an adverse reaction to the penicillin.

  205. Tom

    Hairy is going to make me watch the Churchill movie tonight on Foxtel.

    Good. I expect your full attention and a complete report. No slacking.

  206. Steve trickler.

    This is the hottest thing iv’e seen all day.



  207. JC

    I can see you haven’t been following again. I repeat, I am most certainly a libertarian because I tolerate you and don’t call you a bore and a wanker.

    Lol.. Let me repeat Cohenite’s philosophical belief. He doesn’t believe in natural rights but “most certainly” is a libertarian. You can’t make this shit up if you tried.

  208. Snoopy

    The first aid is hot water

    As hot as humanly bearable. It’s to denature the protein-based poison.

  209. Infidel Tiger

    The Turnbull government won’t support a tax on sugary drinks despite Australia’s peak medical body insisting it needs to be a priority as more than half of Australians are at risk because of their body weight.

    The call by the Australian Medical Association urges the government to make improved nutrition and eating habits a priority through education and food literacy programs, mandatory food fortification, restriction on food and beverage advertising to children and a sugary beverage tax.

    Small miracles.

    No doubt they will agree to the beer excise increase instead. The people must be punished.

  210. Boambee John

    Lizzie

    Re Churchill. There is good evidence that he drank a lot, daily, and not just when off duty.
    I am asking if anyone knew how aware he was of the terrain when he planned Gallipoli.
    I don’t know the answer, but have suggested he might not have done his proper homework.

    Churchill’s interest was in finding something, anything, that would provide a viable alternative to the Western Front. He canvassed several options, including seizing an island off the German coast as an advanced base for operations against the German High Seas Fleet (remember that Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty, Navy Minister, at this time).

    His naval advisers rejected his more fanciful options, but agreed that old battleships, not suitable for operations against the High Seas Fleet, might be used to force the Dardanelles Strait. When this failed (on 18 March 1915, the day the Turks celebrate) an invasion was agreed. Churchill himself would not have been involved in the detailed planning. He was not involved in supervision of the Army, other than collectively as a member of Cabinet. Kitchener, the Secretary of State for War (Army Minister, and also a Field Marshal) nominated General Sir Ian Hamilton to plan and command the invasion.

    The maps and other data available to Hamilton were limited, but he did reconnoitre the area from the sea (Churchill, as a political leader, was not involved in this process). Hamilton chose the various landing sites after looking at the ground. There were not many options, but the actual operation did not make best use of what there were. Hamilton planned the operation, Hamilton commanded it, Churchill’s idea was not well thought through, but he was not responsible for the detailed decisions.

  211. JC

    You could be right, J.C. Thanks for setting me straight. Sometimes I need a person of calibre to show me a mirror.

    Always here to help Muds. Don’t be shy in asking.

  212. max

    On SBS now, The Ghan.

    Big Bastard Country.

    Should be on all our licence plates.

  213. JC

    Arky

    The last attempt also wasn’t a philosophical treatise. I sounds more like a hankering for a time machine to take you back to the Victorian era.

  214. Arky

    Details of policy such as tariffs, taxes or the precise mechanisms of government don’t interest me and I find those that place emphasis on them in the name of some philosophy to be missing what I consider the main game.
    Once you accept the importance of price signals and property rights I think you have mined that seam for most of its value.
    To then make a whole libertarian ideology around that seems weird.
    I believe it was Outlaws of the Marsh that opened with the statement that it was a time of bandits and there was no fixed rule.
    A terrible thing.
    One day you are operating under one set of rules, the next another bandit arrived and makes another load of demands.
    The worst thing you can do is change the game on people halfway through.
    The problem with the welfare state is it not only disincentivises people, but bakes in no fixed rule as the regulations must constantly change, and the whole thing must ultimately fail.
    This is conservatism: reward for work and set rules. Founded on age old proven principles.
    If people understood and lived by those principles then less governnent would be required.
    The other thing I think libertarians confuse is the purpose of law.
    We don’t make murder illegal in order to stop all murders.
    Which is impossible.
    We make murder illeagal in order to allow us to punish and eliminate murderers.
    I care not one whit for rehabilitating murderers or decriminalising drug offenders.
    I want the laws in society drawn in such a way in such a place in order to place the small percentage of the population, who are by nature criminal, outside the law.

  215. max

    Churchill in 1940 was magnificent.

    In 1945 furtive, sidelined, contaminated.

  216. Boambee John
    #2603720, posted on January 7, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    The maps and other data available to Hamilton were limited, but he did reconnoitre the area from the sea (Churchill, as a political leader, was not involved in this process). Hamilton chose the various landing sites after looking at the ground. There were not many options, but the actual operation did not make best use of what there were. Hamilton planned the operation, Hamilton commanded it, Churchill’s idea was not well thought through, but he was not responsible for the detailed decisions.

    Thanks for the detailed explanation Boambee John.
    Any thoughts on Lizzie’s thrice repeated assertion that Churchill was drunk when planning Gallipoli?

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Small miracles.

    Infi – They had these maniacs on Nine News. I thought “totalitarian fascist”.
    I don’t know what it is in the water of the medical schools but they sure can breed ’em.

  218. Shelley

    Jjust back to the Cat now and wanted to read your response Lizzie. Thanks for taking the time to do so. I don’t know, I think that the issue so often is perception and just like the trap that many I work with fall into with their emails, the issue is that tone and nuance is very difficult to convey in black letters on a screen. You shouldn’t always think that someone is envious, and I doubt Johanna is of you. Apart from the obvious troll with many identities and one or two others who have been seen off I don’t think anyone on this forum means harm to others. I don’t really like commenting on others and sometimes wonder why I do. This blog has been a gift and I discovered it at a time around eight years ago when I really needed to know there were others out there other than the lefties I seemed to encounter (and do so much less these days).

    I am really enjoying the Ghan trip on SBS even though I am wondering why and how much taxpayers funds have gone into what is essentially an advertisement for SA & NT Tourism and Great Southern Rail.

  219. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Any thoughts on Lizzie’s thrice repeated assertion that Churchill was drunk when planning Gallipoli?

    I know it’s from a different war, but I’m quoting Churchill’s private secretary, writing to the historian Sir Marin Gilbert, “Personally, throughout the time I knew him, I never saw him the worse for wear.”

  220. Oh come on

    What is it with a small number of walliesDon this forum and their penchant for declaring that they and only they are the One True Libertarian? It’s really quite odd.

  221. cohenite

    Lol.. Let me repeat Cohenite’s philosophical belief. He doesn’t believe in natural rights but “most certainly” is a libertarian. You can’t make this shit up if you tried.

    The issue is if I call you a bore and a wanker will I cease being a libertarian.

  222. Oh come on

    Wallies on, not walliesDon!

  223. Rae

    The first aid is hot water

    As hot as humanly bearable. It’s to denature the protein-based poison.

    Same for stingray barb sting.

  224. Oh come on

    That’s really not the issue, cohenite.

  225. Rae

    The first aid is hot water

    As hot as humanly bearable. It’s to denature the protein-based poison.

    The same applies to a stingray barb sting.

  226. Slayer of Memes

    Has mOnty bothered to explain how it is that he simultaneously believes what Michael Wolff wrote in his ‘book’ (namely thatTrump thought he was going to lose, expected to lose, and was shocked that he won) is true, while also believing the DNC talking points that Trump colluded with Russia to make sure he’d win??

    Surely no purer example of the term ‘doublethink‘ can possibly exist??

  227. Oh come on

    Hint: it’s not a religious calling, so you don’t get to be the leader of the church/cult.

  228. JC

    The issue is if I call you a bore and a wanker will I cease being a libertarian.

    Call me what you want, Cohenite. Why would think I care what you call me?

    Not only are you obsessed, but you’re also a delusional dipshit.

  229. C.L.

    I just got mesmerised for 20 minutes watching The Ghan: Australia’s Greatest Train Journey on SBS. An unusual television feature: 3 hours of a moving train.
    No ads, no dialogue.

  230. Oh come on

    Just consider the universally known circumstances of Trump’s victory and Wolff’s claims fail a basic sniff test. For example, Trump fought awful hard for a guy who never wanted or expected to win.

    Wolff’s book is wank material for Democrats and DC types – nothing more.

  231. An unusual television feature: 3 hours of a moving train.

    Do they have a smoking carriage/area?

  232. Rae

    Trump colluded with Russia to make sure he’d win undermine Clintons campaign.

    FIFY

  233. egg_

    Just saw a promo for Teh Project with Lisa Wilkinson – looks like mum with the retard kids – is that a plot for a new sitcom?

    Lisa looked like she was trying not to cringe when talking with Squalid.
    I wonder how long the token muzzo will last on the show?

  234. Bruce of Newcastle

    Any thoughts on Lizzie’s thrice repeated assertion that Churchill was drunk when planning Gallipoli?

    You should read the history of the Salonika campaign as the strategic impulse is similar.

    The whole arc of WW1 is about strategic planners slowly grasping the understanding of the advantage of the defense over the offense caused by the armament technology of the day. That was developed at Petersburg but not fully understood until well after the commitments to Salonika and Gallipoli were made half a century in the future. Then later in the war armour and combined arms tactics were developed to overcome the defensive advantage. Which in turn weren’t really grasped by anyone except the Germans in 1939 (and Liddell Hart).

    It’s fun to speculate on which war our generals are geared to fight: Vietnam, Korea, WW2? This article last week was fun since it is something we’ve been discussing at the Cat:

    US reveals SECRET WEAPON: Flying aircraft carriers with SWARMS of ‘Gremlin’ drones

    US MILITARY chiefs are developing huge flying aircraft carriers capable of launching swarms of drones from mid-air.

    A US defence department research agency has fixed a price with two weapons companies to develop the drones, named ‘gremlins’, and expects to conduct a demonstration of the system next year.

    Gremlins drones would be ejected from the back of a C130 and are able to return to the aircraft after their mission. They are also equipped with bombs, radar and cameras, each with a limit of 60lb and 300-mile range.

    Add such long distance deployed drone swarms and the lightspeed weapons systems the US are developing and the real strategy and tactics of the next war could be pure SF.

  235. JC

    OCO

    I actually think the story so far about the book is great. It’s a totally madcap administration with a non-pol at the top. Even if it’s true, there’s nothing in there that would surprise anyone. Big deal.

  236. Tim Neilson

    zyconoclast
    #2603623, posted on January 7, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Don’t know nearly enough about the Kurdish thing to comment, but…

    FMD. In the nation that frenetically enables Muslim pedal files rape gangs, they go full metal jacket assault commando on some blokes selling illicit smokes.

    It must be almost as bad as living in Australia.

  237. John Constantine

    Rationing.

    With the scum of the left, everything always comes down to them dedicating their lives to deciding exactly how many micrograms of rations is fair for each prole to get, and what punishment for those that unfairly try to get more than their State centrally planned quota.

    The good and the great get their reward in this life from crushing the proles down into the cold and the dark.

    Queue for your ration of mashed insect larvae, prole, raw and unheated and unsweetened for your own good.

    Comrade maaaates.

  238. max

    Driving The Ghan from Katherine to Darwin must be the best job in the world.

  239. Boambee John

    OSC at 2014

    Any thoughts on Lizzie’s thrice repeated assertion that Churchill was drunk when planning Gallipoli?

    Since he wasn’t involved in the detailed planning, the point is moot.

  240. John Constantine

    Their Golden Calf, waleed, will last until turnbull drafts him to lead the black handed liberal party to the next election.

  241. Zyconoclast

    Steve trickler.
    #2603716, posted on January 7, 2018 at 8:58 pm
    This is the hottest thing iv’e seen all day.

    I was hoping for bikini jelly wrestling 🤼‍♀️

  242. Tintarella di Luna

    My old man thinks the same way, Tintarella. The subject can end phone calls, with him hanging up. The heatwaves of 1896 /1930’s…..none dare mention.

    Steve trickler – this is the same SIL who has a number of US families as friends and told me all of them hated Trump but wouldn’t vote for Hillary so wouldn’t vote at all — I told her that, yes, there are stupid people in the world and that’s why compulsory voting is a good thing in the US and we should have it here.

    I can be somewhat bitchy about voting given that so much time and blood was spilled to secure that right, the least we can do is be informed sufficiently to care about our nation and its people as a sacred duty to honour the sacrifices of others.

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