Monday Forum: January 8, 2018

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  1. eam

    I just turn up and new thread

  2. zyconoclast

    If medals were scores gold = 3, silver =2, bronze =1 then
    my silver and bronze = 3 which is the same as the gold so I can claim a win.

  3. Megan

    I’d be on the podium if it were not for zyconoclast identifying as twins.

  4. Oh come on

    Craig McLachlan’s in twubble. What is the Catallaxy jury’s preliminary finding – innocent or sex pest?

    I’m saying innocent on the grounds of gayness.

  5. stackja

    Oh come on
    #2604168, posted on January 8, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    McLachlan’s current partner is conductor Vanessa Scammell. He has a teenage son from his relationship with British actress and voice artist Charlotte Avery. He was previously married to Karen Williams and fellow Neighbours actress Rachel Friend.

  6. Oh come on

    Beards! All beards, stack!

  7. Psst. Hey meesta, you wanna buy some cheap megawatts?

  8. EvilElvis

    On the field, footy team?…

  9. Mater

    Mater
    #2604164, posted on January 8, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    AEMO, seriously why the fuck is it there?

    To be fair to AEMO, they don’t make the rules or the policies. They are just tasked to try to make it work.
    Think of them as the poor old bus driver, who tries to maintain his schedule (which is developed by others) whilst obeying all the road rules (which are also developed by others).
    The organisation who creates the rules and policies, to which AEMO must adhere, is the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC).

    How the energy markets are governed

  10. I self identify as captain’s pick for the #1 spot.
    You can all bugger off now.

  11. struth

    Please don’t waste pixels with irrelevant shit.

    Pete M is afraid we may run out.

  12. EvilElvis

    Mater, I get what you’re saying but I just can’t be fair to anyone who drags a taxpayer funded wage and is anyway involved in shit like this. That goes for the whole PS.

  13. struth

    Craig may or may not have grouped some sluts who were getting paid to go out on stage and be slutty.

    Australian women are some of the only females on earth who can grow their hymen back and appear to have a halo once their looks fade.
    They also develop “monetary memory”

  14. From the OOT:
    Struth:

    No one is born with rights just because they are human.
    You defend yourself and your property if you can and live under the rights of the culture you exist in.

    Cohenite:

    Ok, JC has used the unalienable rights of the US constitution as an example of natural rights. They are not, as I explained, nor is self-defence of your-self, your property or your family. So what is an example of a natural right which can be expressed without consequence from the social structure?

    Joe:

    You are trying to get me to say that Struth is right completely and that there are no rights.

    OK I agree.

    Memoryvault:

    There aren’t any, Cohenite. The only “rights” a person has, are those conferred on them by the society in which they live. The society itself may explain these”rights” as “God-Given”. However, the individual only continues to enjoy them for as long as society chooses to continue to recognise them.

    People here are confusing at least three separate questions: Whether a natural right exists with either the recognition of that right, or with the satisfaction of that right. A natural right can exist even if it is not recognized or even if it cannot be fully satisfied.

  15. EvilElvis

    And mater, out of that flowchart, everything after ‘market’ should not have the dead hand of government draped over it, no business there. Compliance and regulation shouldn’t even be under market, there is obviously a safety component that is required though and that’s all in the law and regulation bit.

  16. struth

    To be fair to AEMO, they don’t make the rules or the policies. They are just tasked to try to make it work.

    Ah, the old it’s just my job excuse.

    I have more personal integrity than to be employed in such an outfit.
    Personal responsibility, or as people reminded me here last time, the Nuremberg excuse should never be tolerated.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Craig McLachlan’s in twubble. What is the Catallaxy jury’s preliminary finding – innocent or sex pest?

    Innocent until proven guilty.

  18. Mater

    Mater, I get what you’re saying but I just can’t be fair to anyone who drags a taxpayer funded wage and is anyway involved in shit like this. That goes for the whole PS.

    I sympathise EvilElvis, and agree. But remember, the bus driver is also driving a clapped out bus that was also given to him by someone else.
    It’s like blaming a modern soldier for losing a battle when his government only equipped him with a bolt action rifle.
    Let’s lay the blame where it belongs. That is Government energy policy and Government interference (green) in the energy market.

  19. Snoopy

    What is the Catallaxy jury’s preliminary finding – innocent or sex pest?

    I think it safe to say that it’s a long time since Kate McClymont was kissed on the arse.

  20. Oh come on

    Zulu, you do realise this isn’t a real jury, right?

  21. areff

    Great moments in the Senate:

    “One of the more spectacular drunken performances of the 1960s was in the Senate chamber, when Labor Senator from Western Australia Harry Cant found himself seriously drunk and trapped by a division. The doors were locked and the division required Labor senators to cross to the other side of the chamber, sitting in the places of the government senators for the count, while the government senator moved to the opposition benches. Cant was overcome by an urgent need to vomit. Looking around desperately, he came to a decision. Opening the desk drawer of the government senator’s desk where he was seated, he was violently and noisily sick into it.

    When the division was over and the senators resumed their normal places, the government senator in whose place Harry had sat was understandably disgusted. The stench created by this extraordinary happening filled the chamber. He did not draw the President of the Senate’s attention to the outrage or make a fuss. Urgent action was required. All this had taken place in the full view of the journalists in the Senate press gallery and those in the public gallery.

    News of the outrage was soon all over Parliament House and journalists rushed to get the story. Medical practitioner Dr Felix Dittmer, a Queensland Labor Senator, had the answer. He denied Cant was drunk and ordered that an ambulance be urgently called to take Cant to the Royal Canberra Hospital, just across Commonwealth Avenue Bridge in Acton. Dittmer stated that Cant was suffering from an acute case of ‘renal colic’.”

    — from a potted history of the Canberra gallery

  22. Baldrick

    29th Battalion A.I.F

    Rawlings, William Reginald (1890–1918)
    Rawlings enlisted as a private in the Australian Imperial Force from Warrnambool on 14 March 1916, giving horse-breaking as his trade. He embarked on 1 August and joined the 29th Battalion in France on 25 November. After serving with a trainee battalion in England in April-October 1917 he returned to the 29th which in mid-1918 was involved in two periods of very heavy fighting. On the night of 28-29 July the 29th and 32nd Battalions made successful advances along Morlancourt ridge. For his part Rawlings was awarded the Military Medal, the recommendation reading:
    “During the attack on enemy systems this soldier had the responsible position of first bayonet man in a bombing team which worked down the enemy C.T. [communication trench], routed the enemy and established a block in the trenches. Private Rawlings displayed rare bravery in the performance of his duty, killing many of the enemy, brushing aside all opposition and cleared the way effectively for the bombers of his team. His irresistible dash and courage set a wonderful example to the remainder of the team.”
    On 9 August the 29th Battalion was involved in the capture of Vauvillers. Rawlings was killed in this action and was buried in Heath cemetery, Harbonnières, France.

  23. struth

    grouped

    groped.

    A natural right can exist even if it is not recognized or even if it cannot be fully satisfied.

    If a right doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist.

    You are born naked and at the complete reliance of the culture you are born into.

    The rights you receive differ depending on the culture you are born into.
    If you were born a twin in the harsh reality of desert aboriginal Australia prior to settlement you got the right to be left on a bull ant’s nest to die.

    A human right is baloney.

    You have no rights, natural, unnatural, grain fed or otherwise, just by being born.

    Western Christians believe the rights we believe we should have, all people should have.

    That is western Christian rights.

    There is no such thing as a god given human right.

    There is a Christian god given human right.
    There is the difference.

    The whole world ain’t western or Christian.

  24. Tintarella di Luna

    I think it safe to say that it’s a long time since Kate McClymont was kissed on the arse.

    As my dear departed mother would say: che bestia she looks like she’s has a ver severe case of botoxitis

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, you do realise this isn’t a real jury, right?

    I do realize that, but, reading the article that someone linked to earlier, there’s a certain witch hunt element going on.

  26. JC

    Oh come on
    #2604194, posted on January 8, 2018 at 12:31 pm
    Zulu, you do realise this isn’t a real jury, right?

    He doesn’t. He’s about to break out into some made up quote from
    100 years ago at any moment. Watch.

  27. I see Australias least favourite author, engineer and former Queensland Young Australian of the Year has opened her gob again, this time dissing us for ALL being descended from convicts. This supposedly educated person really has no idea about Australia, Australian history or Australians, and doesn’t seem to be interested in actually learning either. It’s far easier to shoot her mouth off and make another headline. Seems that’s all she’s good for. Cutting, witty, smart, incisive, knowledgeable she certainly isn’t.

  28. Tintarella di Luna

    Innocent until proven guilty.

    So it’s a jury of catallaxians which is so different to guilty until proven innocent which is the starting point a jury of pussyhats

  29. C.L.

    The CDC? The CDC who have championed third-hand smoke (yep, smoke on clothes is killing people), particulates which they thought to be so dangerous that they subjected test subjects to them, who simply can’t understand why TB has recurred in States where refugees have been resettled? That CDC?

    Argumentum ad hominem.

    You have to show why you don’t believe average American women now eight 12 stone.

  30. Tom

    Dover Beach, thanks for reposting this link on the old open thread, for those who doubt that religious persecution is inevitable in Australia as the Revolutionary Guard of Martin Trumble Regime submits willingly to its rogering by the fascist sturmtruppen of the poofter left:

    There have been a number of “wedding industry” religious freedom cases arising in the United States and the UK over the last few years. On 28 December 2017 the Oregon Court of Appeals, in Klein v. Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries (CA Or; Dec 28, 2017, — P.3d —-, 2017 WL 6613356; 289 Or App 507 (2017)) upheld a $135,000 fine levied on the Kleins, wedding cake makers, for declining to make a cake for the wedding of Rachel and Laurel Bowmen-Cryer.

    In Australia there have been no such cases before the courts yet, but the potential is there. Attempts to learn from overseas experience and provide a clear legislative solution to the issues were defeated in the passage of the legislation enacting same sex marriage for this country. These are matters that ought to be considered carefully in the current Ruddock Inquiry into Religious Freedom. Submissions are due in the tight time-frame of Jan 31, 2018, and I encourage Australian readers to make their views known.

    RTWT.

  31. Tintarella di Luna

    It’s far easier to shoot her mouth off

    Good ol’ Trigger Tongue wants the attention. She should be balefully ignored

  32. John Constantine

    Big Truck is good maaaaates with the Big labor State.

    Their shorten looting cartel will crush owner truck drivers on behalf of Big Truck Donors.

    Big Truck will also get massive inclusiveness and diversity subsidies to replace pale stale male drivers with third world diversity steering wheel holders.

    Once robot trucks come in, we shall see if the shorten crime family backs unionised truck drivers or backs the money.

    Comrade maaaate.

  33. H B Bear

    grouped

    groped.

    Grouped is the correct verb to use if you are sexually assaulted by rugby league players.

  34. It’s far easier to shoot her mouth off

    Good ol’ Trigger Tongue wants the attention. She should be balefully ignored

    Very true, Tinta, but she’s just so damned obnoxiously in-your-face about it, always, every damned time. If she’d just STFU and stay gone away, we’d actually despise her less, and she might actually get to feel better about herself – maybe.

  35. Geriatric Mayfly

    Graduates lament useless degrees
    More than a quarter of the nation’s graduates say their degrees are close to useless for their jobs.
    The Oz

    Was I not led to believe that Wimmin’s Studies, White Studies, Gender Studies etc etc., automatically open the doors to the sunlit uplands?

  36. C.L.

    You have to show why you don’t believe average American women now WEIGH 12 stone.

  37. struth

    I make this case about “Human Rights” because I feel it attempts to direct people away from the culture that wants those rights to be for all humans, by not acknowledging the religion and culture this concept was born from.
    Human rights is a western/Christian concept, not a mussie one, or an aboriginal one, or a Zulu one.

    Let’s not give this away as well.
    Other cultures , and indeed the Socialist corrupt U.N. run by failing socialist and harsh mussie regimes, crap on about human rights to us, and want to lecture us on this.
    I find it abhorrent that we don’t constantly remind the world who came up with these rights.
    Christians and it’s resultant western culture.
    I won’t be dictated to be evil fucks like Antonio Gutterpress and his backward, evil ideology about something he learned from us and is now distorting.

  38. Baldrick

    After pushing the Ruinables barrow TheirABC thinks we should be celebrating because the power grid held up over a 2 day heatwave, or something:

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    National energy grid survives the heatwave, big test still to come

    The big test is until the end of summer.
    Clueless cockheads.

  39. Tintarella di Luna

    Very true, Tinta, but she’s just so damned obnoxiously in-your-face about it, always, every damned time. If she’d just STFU and stay gone away, we’d actually despise her less, and she might actually get to feel better about herself – maybe.

    It’s the smug-face that really riles me, so I try not to look at anything written about or posted by Ms Trigger Tongue. That’s my attempt at ignoring her balefully.

  40. Bruce of Newcastle

    Socialist transport news.

    Google’s Latest Search: What Happened to Its Bikes?

    MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. — Google has built a massive business organizing the world’s information, but it’s having a lot of trouble keeping track of its own bicycles.

    Google maintains roughly 1,100 free, multicolored two-wheelers, known as Gbikes, for its employees to get around on its sprawling campus here. The program has inspired copycats across Silicon Valley and beyond.

    But Google’s bikes consistently go missing from its campus — between 100 and 250 a week, the company estimates. The bikes have shown up at local schools, in neighbors’ lawns, at the bottom of the town creek and on the roof of O’Malley’s Sports Pub. One turned up in a TV commercial for the cosmetics brand Garnier; a Google employee noticed it when it aired.

    For a company which is so good at searching, losing up to a quarter of its free bicycles each week is interesting. Not unlike that other darling of the progressive-greens O-bike, whose yellow bikes are turning up in all sorts of strange places. Maybe we should ask Ms Guthrie for comment, as she seems likewise to be good at losing lots of taxpayer dosh.

    Which gets me to the electric postie bikes in Germany…

    German Post Electric Delivery Vehicles Falter, “Lose Power Mid Delivery Route”

    The online Die Welt/N24 here reports on how the German Post, Deutsche Post, put electric vehicles dubbed Streetscooters” into action last summer with the high hopes of making mail delivery greener.

    Months later it is emerging that things are not working out as hoped, as a myriad of technical problems have emerged. With winter weather in full swing, postal workers are finding out that they have to choose between turning on the heater are becoming stranded in the middle of the route because the vehicle’s battery has lost its charge, Die Welt/N24 reports.

    Deutsche Post drivers complain that the vehicles normally does not get much further than 70 km, and no where near the 100 km range that is pitched. “Again and again the driver is forced to decide when to turn around in order to make it back,” reports Die Welt/N24.

    I can imaging the range anxiety of the poor German posties whose wretched bikes can go only 70 km on a good day. In the cold and snow of winter the batteries won’t work even that well. What torture for a postie if their bike can do maybe 50 km before it expires? The Australia Post 105cc bikes at least can go nearly forever on a full tank.

  41. Tintarella di Luna

    That’s my attempt at ignoring her balefully.

    Not very successful though

  42. struth

    ABC News @abcnews
    National energy grid survives the heatwave, big test still to come

    But many old people dead, and businesses have moved to the USA.

  43. #justme

    The accounts damning Craig and countless others are interesting not only because the accusations lack witnesses.The #meToo swarm claim that each accusation is corroborated by the other claims against Craig, Don or other hapless males. Women grouping behind their party plans, thermomixes or victimhoods can go heap. What is needed is more women to go it alone, there is still a hashtag to unite behind – #justME

  44. Mater

    Oh, and I will add that the former CEO of AEMO went to his grave saying:

    In the end, the system must collapse…

  45. testpattern

    Submissions in gents or are you all blog no slog. I sent mine via lawyer this morn. You have til 25th Jan or SHUT THE FUCK UP

    https://www.ag.gov.au/Consultations/Documents/options-paper-proposed-reforms-to-the-native-title-act-1993.PDF

  46. Mother Lode

    Was I not led to believe that Wimmin’s Studies, White Studies, Gender Studies etc etc., automatically open the doors to the sunlit uplands?

    The fact that courses like Studies Studies and Interprataive Macrame do not serve as a conduit into gainful employment will be taken as a ‘market failure’, to be rectified by mandating roles for graduates.

  47. Baldrick

    Golden Globes red carpet a sea of black as stars protest against harassment

    And why didn’t they wear black last year?
    Because they were too busy protecting their careers.
    Virtue signalling trash.

  48. Oh come on

    From the OOT:

    I like their attitude, taking responsibility. Be more careful next time , old mate.

    Mmmmmyaas, the Minister For Health was making it plain their bills would be recovered, though.

    I don’t see how this can be done, without clapping them in chains and having them work the debt off breaking rocks. Their medical bills would be in the tens of thousands of dollars – many tens for those who stayed in intensive care. These kids will say to the news cameras that of course they’ll pay their bills. Then their visas will expire and they’ll return home, the bill unpaid. Government people can posture all they like, but in reality there’s bugger all they can do about it.

    There are no doubt plenty of young Aussies who go overseas and find themselves in similar predicaments. I’d say it all evens out in the wash.

  49. H B Bear

    ALPBC celebrating the functioning of an essential service previously taken as a given.

    Welcome to Veneztralia.

  50. Nick

    Craig McLachlan’s in twubble. What is the Catallaxy jury’s preliminary finding – innocent or sex pest?

    Let’s put a man in womens’ undies, his whole role is to be a crude, sexually suggestive, over the top character, then his fellow thespians complain they were harassed.

  51. struth

    According to the ABC’s logic, the whole country can be in blackout on a hot day, old people dying, and hospitals overflowing, but as long as their offices are still up and running, no problems.

    You’ll note the ABC won’t black out.
    Nor will a parliament house.
    Nor will Malcom’s place.
    Nor will………………….

  52. Mother Lode

    You have to show why you don’t believe average American women now WEIGH 12 stone

    Time was when people believed their weight was their own doing, took responsibility for it and, overall, this resulted in healthier people.

    Now they are told that, like everything else, it is someone else’s fault. So they chow down on a bucket of KFC Wings, supersized chips and diet coke while waiting for their main course impatiently waiting for someone to come along and make them thin without depriving them of their ‘little’ pleasures.

  53. Fisky

    Just dropping by to see if M0nster has any updates on the Mueller investigation??? It was kinda big thing few months ago!

  54. struth

    Golden Globes red carpet a sea of black as stars protest against harassment

    Trash.

    Let me guess, Ratings through the roof…………………………………………………………../sarc.

    That black is for their careers.

  55. Geriatric Mayfly

    Streep in black, Polanski in exile. If only they could marry.

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    Submissions in gents or are you all blog no slog

    Unconditional surrender signed on the deck of HMAS Canberra?
    No, that won’t get up.

    A permanent lifetime income of the minimum wage to all aboriginal people, multiplied by their proportion of full blood, in exchange for all land rights and all restrictions?
    Nope, not a chance.

    How about a whole nation for their very own, called Norstrilia. All aboriginal people would be given full citizenship of Norstrilia, non-Aboriginal people would be expelled and international agreements on pensions and welfare would apply. In other words any aboriginal people remaining in rump Australia would be paid Norstrilian welfare.
    No I didn’t think so.

    Seems futile.

  57. Rae

    EvilElvis,

    You said something to me on the OT, came through a bit garbled. What was it?

    One for the money, two for the show”?
    or
    “Old Shep he has gone where the good doggies go”?
    or
    “Don’ choo step on mah blue swayed shoos”?

    Intriguing. You gonna be on stage in Parkes?

  58. hzhousewife

    The Ladies in Black missed a grand opportunity to also wear little pink pussy hats – would have been so cute!

  59. testpattern

    More on my friend the late George Munggalu

    13 July 1948 JAPANESE RADIO OPERATED NEAR DARWIN

    ‘The R.A.A.F. discovered a Jap, radio station working within 20 miles of Darwin before the first Darwin air raid during the War, Group Captain G. Packer former R.A.A.F. Director of Intelligence said today. The first indication of this to the public was a statement made yesterday by a Darwin aboriginal named Mungolo.

    Group Captain Packer said that before the Darwin raid the R.A.A.F. Intelligence Section reported that meteorological balloons, not our own, had been seen near Darwin, and R.A.A.F. signals intercepted messages from what appeared to be a Jap radio. The approximate direction, obtained by bearings, indicated that the station was probably in one of the waterways south-west of Darwin.’

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2755329

    Probably Bynoe where George saw a Japanese submarine on the flats. Their subs used to come in at night to recharge. In WA they used Jurien, where their fleet had sheltered during WW1.

    Liet.Comm. Yonehara who led the attack on the Koolama was interviewed after the war in Hofu. He’d departed from Ambon, had kept some documents, and said he’d been kept informed of reported enemy movements around Darwin during his flight there and return, to help him evade them. The Japanese very probably had a number of forward scouts on the ground reporting.

  60. Mother Lode

    Wankstain has been a wonderful opportunity to see compare the heroic figures Hollywood actors portray in their movies, stout-hearted Davids grimly standing against malign Goliaths, the stoic everyman reluctantly stirred to action only when the innocent are threatened – compare this pretense to what they do when abuse in their very midst.

  61. pete m

    re C McLughlin

    If true that he put his hands down women’s underwear while they were trying to perform that goes well beyond the character and quite nasty sexual assault – I’d be lawyering up if I were him. Innocent now, let’s see what police do.

    re Globes – any teary speeches about me too? Surely our Nicole let her hands go wild?

    re struth – I usually like what you post – always an interesting take on things. Just wanted you to stop the crappy posts about not being around for a little while in case you then felt the need to say when you were off to the loo. cheerio

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    Craig McLachlan’s in twubble. What is the Catallaxy jury’s preliminary finding – innocent or sex pest?

    He’s playing a deviant sexfiend transvestite mad scientist character called Frank N Furter.

    What the f$ck do they expect him to act like?

    It’s called acting.

    I refuse to render judgement until Kylie wades in.

    In the meantime enjoy Mona

  63. JC

    Joh

    I don’t think 12 stone is beyond possibility at all. Think of what you told me once you weighed. You said 102 kilos, which is 224 lbs, which is a hefty 16 plus stone. And you suggested that was thin, so I don’t understand where you’re going with this doubting Thomas routine.

  64. Atoms for Peace

    I thought the Cat self flagellated every week on Q and A. Watching a Hollyweird awards night is too masochistic for my tastes.

  65. Stimpson J. Cat

    The best part is how one of the girls, Christie Whelan Browne went on to star with him in something else after Rocky Horror because
    “she felt dismayed when she learned he had been cast but felt she had to continue to have a civil relationship with McLachlan for the sake of her career and his behavior towards her on that program was appropriate. “
    Principles or fame?
    You can’t have both ladies.

  66. Des Deskperson

    “Craig McLachlan’s in twubble. What is the Catallaxy jury’s preliminary finding – innocent or sex pest?”

    The allegations stem from 2014. Although no dates are given, it reasonable to assume that it was sometime between the making in the second and third series of the ABC’s Dr Blake Mysteries, probably the ABC’s most popular drama.

    The implication that McLachlan’s behavior was impeccable when he was working for the ABC, that he turned into a sex-crazed looney on the stage of Rocky Horror, and that he then returned to the ABC for 3 more series of Dr Blake without a complaint is a bit hard to swallow, pun intended.

    Someone needs to ask the ABC whether there were any complaints of sexual misconduct on the set of Dr Blake and, if so, how those complaints were handled.

  67. struth

    re struth – I usually like what you post – always an interesting take on things. Just wanted you to stop the crappy posts about not being around for a little while in case you then felt the need to say when you were off to the loo. cheerio

    I explained why I did it.

    Anyway……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….time out

  68. EvilElvis

    You gonna be on stage in Parkes?

    If the weight increases from my heyday above are any guide I will be the stage in Parkes!

  69. Tintarella di Luna

    In the meantime enjoy Mona

    Maybe now Mona is a moaner.

  70. Gilas

    From the old OT

    johanna
    #2604132, posted on January 8, 2018 at 11:38 am

    Buscopan is Hyoscine butylbromide, an antispasmodic.

    The kids in WA used Hyoscine hydrobromide, a different kettle of fish altogether

  71. Mother Lode

    From OOT:

    AEMO, seriously why the fuck is it there?

    It is worth noting that AEMO is the alternative spelling for EMO. (Like mediaeval, haemoglobin etc).

    The electricity market is an emo. Shiftless, moping about, cutting itself.

    You wouldn’t understand.

  72. Zyconoclast

    Now they are told that, like everything else, it is someone else’s fault. So they chow down on a bucket of KFC Wings, supersized chips and diet coke while waiting for their main course impatiently waiting for someone to come along and make them thin without depriving them of their ‘little’ pleasures.

    They have new beer and sugar taxes to help with that.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2604251, posted on January 8, 2018 at 1:31 pm

    The best part is how one of the girls, Christie Whelan Browne went on to star with him in something else after Rocky Horror because
    “she felt dismayed when she learned he had been cast but felt she had to continue to have a civil relationship with McLachlan for the sake of her career and his behavior towards her on that program was appropriate. “
    Principles or fame?
    You can’t have both ladies.

    Were the ladies passed over for the current Adelaide run of RHS, hence the sudden attack of mowal outwage?

  74. Mother Lode

    What the f$ck do they expect him to act like?

    Yup.

    It is called method acting.

    The next role he is going for is a musical version of Jack the Ripper. He is determined to be The Ripper – as any professional would.

  75. Mother Lode

    The allegations stem from 2014. Although no dates are given, it reasonable to assume that it was sometime between the making in the second and third series of the ABC’s Dr Blake Mysteries, probably the ABC’s most popular drama.

    There ya go!

    He was playing doctor.

  76. A natural right can exist even if it is not recognized or even if it cannot be fully satisfied.

    If a right doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist.

    You are born naked and at the complete reliance of the culture you are born into.

    The rights you receive differ depending on the culture you are born into.
    If you were born a twin in the harsh reality of desert aboriginal Australia prior to settlement you got the right to be left on a bull ant’s nest to die.

    A human right is baloney.

    You have no rights, natural, unnatural, grain fed or otherwise, just by being born.

    Western Christians believe the rights we believe we should have, all people should have.

    That is western Christian rights.

    There is no such thing as a god given human right.

    There is a Christian god given human right.
    There is the difference.

    The whole world ain’t western or Christian.

    Struth, the above makes no sense. You say there are no rights, whether natural or God given, but that there are ‘Christian god’ given rights. You are just all over the shop on this topic. People obviously have a natural right to pursue goods necessary for their sustenance, for instance, like food and shelter, and that any laws that unreasonably frustrate the pursuit of such goods commit a wrong to human beings as human beings. That a culture may fail to recognize such a natural right doesn’t in any way indicate that it doesn’t exist. Not for a moment.

  77. Gilas

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2604199, posted on January 8, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    As my dear departed mother would say: che bestia she looks like she’s has a ver severe case of botoxitis

    E` brutta come la fame!

  78. thefrolickingmole

    The Inquisition strikes again…
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jan/08/george-pell-accuser-dies-before-cardinal-faces-child-sexual-abuse-trial

    Bloody Catholic mafia!!

    A man who publicly accused Australia’s most senior Catholic cardinal, George Pell, of child sexual abuse has died following a long illness.

    Damian Dignan, who lived in the Victorian town of Ballarat, made allegations which were strenuously denied by Pell.

    Dignan was one of a number of complainants who made allegations against Pell of historical sexual offences.

    Dignan’s death was confirmed by his former partner, Sharon Rixon. “It is with great sadness that my best friend and the father of my children has passed away today,” she wrote on Facebook. “I will continue to love and guide and support our children through this difficult time.”

    QC and former chief Victorian magistrate and crown prosecutor, Nicholas Papas, told Guardian Australia that Dignan’s death would affect the structure of Pell’s upcoming court case in Melbourne.

    “The death of a witness if generally very serious and can affect whether the case proceeds or not,” he said. “But it’s not as simple as that, as there may be other evidence or witnesses. In a murder case, for example, the victim is obviously never there and yet a case can proceed. So it’s not that it’s unusual for witnesses to be dead, but in a case where an allegation involved historic sexual assault and there may be no other direct witnesses to that abuse, it can seriously affect the case.”

    Dignan’s lawyer, Ingrid Irwin, told the Australian she was saddened and “gutted” Dignan would not be able to contribute to the case in person.

    “It’s totally ridiculous that he’s now passed away without any justice, the legal system is completely inept and archaic,” she said.

    “He is one of the bravest Ballarat boys I know, he walked around broken and somehow found the strength to speak out.”

    Time for Fatty to take some more leave?

  79. Zyconoclast

    The allegations stem from 2014

    At least the don’t relate to events 20 to 40 years ago.
    If there are any witnesses they should be alive and lucid.

  80. Snoopy

    Looks like Grigs wuz robbed.

    The profitability and sales of Michael Wolff’s scathing book about United States President Donald Trump appear to have come under attack by WikiLeaks, which has posted a link to a free online copy.

    Sad.

  81. Rae

    EviElvis,

    “Thang you very much.”

  82. Oh come on

    Yes I saw that too, Snoops. Funny shit, innit?

  83. Zyconoclast

    Snoopy swooped first

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Dignan was one of a number of complainants who made allegations against Pell of historical sexual offences.

    As queried above, what is that “number of complainants”? Two, including Dignan? The Age link from the old fred seemed to imply that it was two … Dignan and Monument.
    How many of the “number of complainants who made allegations” actually resulted in charges being laid.

    “The death of a witness if generally very serious and can affect whether the case proceeds or not,” he said. “But it’s not as simple as that, as there may be other evidence or witnesses. In a murder case, for example, the victim is obviously never there and yet a case can proceed. So it’s not that it’s unusual for witnesses to be dead, but in a case where an allegation involved historic sexual assault and there may be no other direct witnesses to that abuse, it can seriously affect the case.”

    That is really quite strange. Of course murder cases proceed on the basis of other evidence, but how is that relevant here? Is he suggesting we need a lower standard of proof in “I said – he said” abuse cases with no independent or forensic evidence?

  85. Tel

    Time for Fatty to take some more leave?

    Ignore the problem long enough, and it goes away.

  86. with no independent or forensic evidence?

    After hanging Pell at dawn, we find out.
    If he dies it will mean that he was innocent of all charges.
    If he lives he is clearly guilty.

  87. Tintarella di Luna

    E` brutta come la fame!

    precisamente not forgetting brutta come il mal di pancia

  88. Oh come on

    The best part is how one of the girls, Christie Whelan Browne went on to star with him in something else after Rocky Horror because
    “she felt dismayed when she learned he had been cast but felt she had to continue to have a civil relationship with McLachlan for the sake of her career and his behavior towards her on that program was appropriate. “
    Principles or fame?
    You can’t have both ladies.

    That’s bullshit, Stimps. Concern for your career is a very understandable reason to hold back on reporting sexual harassment and lower level sexual assault. Victims don’t get to claim they’re great, courageous heroes for coming forward at a very late stage – it isn’t especially brave to wait for the dam wall to break before going over it – but a lack of courage on the part of the accusers doesn’t preclude their victimhood, doesn’t mean wrongdoing didn’t take place or that wrongdoers don’t deserve to be punished.

    And showbiz is very much an industry where a powerful individual can ruin an up-and-comer’s career. It’s naive to think a predator in such a position of power wouldn’t abuse it.

  89. jupes

    That is really quite strange. Of course murder cases proceed on the basis of other evidence, but how is that relevant here?

    They are setting up the excuse for when Pell is found not guilty i.e. “If only Dignan had testified, Pell would have gone down.”

  90. Stimpson J. Cat

    That’s bullshit, Stimps. Concern for your career is a very understandable reason to hold back on reporting sexual harassment and lower level sexual assault.

    Think of all the other wamens she could have saved or at least warned.
    Oh that’s right, she didn’t.
    Only herself.

  91. Zyconoclast

    Who knew salmon bathed?

    Getting farmed, salt water salmon to swim in fresh water causes the amoeba to fall off the gills so they can breath better.
    Then salmon go back to salt water.

  92. Oh come on

    Think of all the other wamens she could have saved or at least warned.
    Oh that’s right, she didn’t.
    Only herself.

    You’re being a dick, stimps. Stop and think about it.

  93. Correct Stimpy. Put your hand down the trousers of some other instead of me and I won’t say anything.

  94. thefrolickingmole

    “If only Dignan had testified, Pell would have gone down.”

    Thats my reading of it as well.
    Also a sly way of trying to put more weight on the dead blokes statements now they cant be challenged in court.

  95. Ivan Denisovich

    They are setting up the excuse for when Pell is found not guilty i.e. “If only Dignan had testified, Pell would have gone down.”

    Exactly, jupes. Guilty if convicted, guilty if acquited.

  96. Top Ender

    VOLUNTEERS for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have been told to use gender-neutral language to avoid causing offence.

    The Games Shapers handbook, which has been handed to 15,000 volunteers and official staff and contractors instructs workers to avoid phrases like “ladies and gentlemen” and “boys and girls”. It also includes instructions to use the term parents instead of mother or father and partners, rather than husbands or girlfriends.

    However, the guidelines have been labelled “political correctness gone insane”.

    Link

  97. thefrolickingmole

    Oh come on

    What Simps has said is 100% correct.
    Ive been kicked off the gruinaid site before for basically saying serial offenders are only able to continue offending because they arent reported.

    Its one of the good things about the “me too” type movement, not the historical or “famous” people being exposed, but that it might make reporting abusers the norm.
    Sure not every allegation is correct, but if coppers have more reports then they have a better chance of deterring or imprisoning a predator.

  98. jupes

    Aussie cricketers clapping the Barmy Army.

    Well done.

  99. C.L.

    Odd that the Guardian didn’t mention that Dignan was a convicted criminal.
    A bit hard to garner sympathy if the public knows he was arrested and prosecuted for bashing somebody.
    His fellow ‘witness’ was an amphetamines dealer jailed for bashing his girlfriend.
    How many people his drugs killed is not known.
    There is a reason the DPP threw out these charges on two separate occasions.

  100. Snoopy

    Dignan’s lawyer, Ingrid Irwin, told the Australian she was saddened and “gutted” Dignan would not be able to contribute to the case her fees in person.

  101. Oh come on

    Consider the following scenario –

    The new hire is a fresh young bloke who’s just starting out at the office. One night when he’s working back late, a powerful figure in the office makes a grab for him in the bathroom or wherever. Maybe it happens a few times. The young bloke feels revolted by the experience. Does he

    A) decide to let it go because his aggressor is a top performer/the boss/whatever who could seriously damage his prospects
    B) go to the cops
    C) try and handle it himself using an old fashioned solution

    In a modern workplace, most young men are going to go with A. No this isn’t super courageous, but is it understandable? Yeah I think it is, most definitely.

  102. Someone needs to ask the ABC whether there were any complaints of sexual misconduct on the set of Dr Blake and, if so, how those complaints were handled.

    How about the conservative media (all 3 of them) run a series of “What did the ABC know and when did they know it?” investigations, call a Royal Commission, hound ABC staff across the globe, interview them when on holiday (with their Labor MP lover) in Rome and pronounce everyone in the organisation as guilty of a cover up without any evidence.
    What’s good for the goose…

  103. Snoopy

    In a modern workplace, most young men are going to go with A D.

    D) Coyly advise the powerful figure that he’s saving himself for marriage.

  104. dopey

    Streep’s contribution to culture? Women are rooted face down.

  105. Mother Lode

    Odd that the Guardian didn’t mention that Dignan was a convicted criminal.

    They are ready for it if it does come out.

    His criminal tendencies will be laid at the feet of the Cardinal.

    In this way it will paradoxically become further proof of Pell’s guilt.

    And don’t anyone suggest that Dignan might have been less than truthful – that would be an insult to a living person, but a dead one? We owe it to his shade, wittering like a bat in the parched dim underworld, to condemn Pell as some sort of consolation.

  106. Andrew

    The grid survived?
    – heat was localised to SE only
    – it was only a 12hr Heat Event ™, not a fortnight blocking high
    – there were mass blackouts
    – they had load shed our largest businesses before the event
    – it was a Sunday

    I’d say the grid performed pathetically, esp considering we have spent $1tr on windmills and should have 3x the generation capacity we need.

  107. thefrolickingmole

    Mr Rusty

    Given they have managed to cover up for a wife beater allegations of sexual perversion would just be another bagatelle for their ABC.

    The internet has memory holed the prior allegations about an unnamed chaser boy bashing his partner.

  108. Oh come on

    Think of all the other wamens she could have saved or at least warned.
    Oh that’s right, she didn’t.
    Only herself.

    This applies to the Meryl Streeps of the world, not to the victims. People like Streep are disgusting, craven opportunists. I don’t know how they live with themselves. It is they, not the victims, who could have saved or warned other victims at a very minor risk to their own position. Imagine if Streep had led the charge against Weinstein. She would be feted across the world.

    It’s perfectly understandable that victims of this kind of crime feel disgusted, embarrassed, ashamed, frightened. No, they aren’t courageous figures, that’s true. They’re perfectly normal people who act perfectly normally in that kind of situation. Most people are not heroes by definition. Heroes are exceptional.

  109. Tel

    The well known expression, “Be a man!” is a euphemism for the longer phrase, “I hope you are stupid because I would like to manipulate you into sticking your neck out for someone else; despite the fact that this will almost certainly be painful for you.”

    No one expects women to behave similarly, because there’s no chance it would happen, and because of the long tradition called “Chivalry” which (thankfully) is now completely dead.

  110. thefrolickingmole

    It’s perfectly understandable that victims of this kind of crime feel disgusted, embarrassed, ashamed, frightened.

    All of those emotions should be the perpetrators, not the victims.
    And if actual assaults were reported every time then the predators would be quickly and decisively thinned out making life for both genders much better.

  111. sticking your neck out for someone else

    Usually has its costs.
    The alternative is usually worse.

  112. Tim Neilson

    The allegations stem from 2014

    At least the don’t relate to events 20 to 40 years ago.
    If there are any witnesses they should be alive and lucid.

    They’re showbiz people Z. McLachlan just has to stave off the enquiry for a year or two and let the informal pharmaceutical industry run his defence for him.

  113. It’s just Poland and Czechoslovakia, ignore him and it will all go away.

  114. struth

    Struth, the above makes no sense. You say there are no rights, whether natural or God given, but that there are ‘Christian god’ given rights. You are just all over the shop on this topic. People obviously have a natural right to pursue goods necessary for their sustenance, for instance, like food and shelter, and that any laws that unreasonably frustrate the pursuit of such goods commit a wrong to human beings as human beings. That a culture may fail to recognize such a natural right doesn’t in any way indicate that it doesn’t exist. Not for a moment.

    If it doesn’t exist, it is not a right,…… it is a hope, a dream, a desire for what should be.

    You probably think you have a natural god given right to walk around without a black sack on your head.
    My point is you have a Christian god given right not to have to do that.
    A muslim god compels you to do it (if you are a women of course)

    The two Gods are very different, yet whether Christian or Muslim all are humans.
    So all humans don’t have naturally given or god given rights just because they were born human.
    If you think that people have a natural right to pursue sustenance, why didn’t those Christians being murdered in the middle East just say to the Mussies, hang on a sec mate, I’ve a natural right to pursue sustenance and you chopping my head off violates that natural right.
    An unrecognised right is not a right.

    A mussie has a right to have more than one wife.
    A mussie woman has virtually no rights.

    It is ridiculous to suggest that people are born with rights just because they are human, and that these rights are universally recognised.

    They clearly are not.
    You have a god given right not to be killed in the womb.
    Obviously pointless drivel.
    Our society now dictates the lifestyle choices of the mother overrides your right to not be murdered.

    Our strange view on rights that differ from culture to culture and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and religion have never been set in stone and have always changed.

    We live by (albeit deteriorationg) western Christian rights, and we would say you have a right not to be aborted.
    If that’s a natural right, or a god given one, it is not adhered to.
    So it then becomes what is commonly called a “wish”

    This is a dog eat dog world, and you only have the rights your culture gives you.

  115. Andrew

    His four-hour innings almost ended after he pulled a shot delivery from Starc on 52, with the ball ricocheting off Cameron Bancroft’s helmet and almost falling to the bowler.

    From AAP.

    Is it too much to ask that people writing and commentating are educated on the rules?

  116. Tim Neilson

    VOLUNTEERS for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have been told to use gender-neutral language to avoid causing offence.

    “Excuse me, but can you please tell me whether today is the men’s volleyball or the women’s?”

    “I’m afraid I can’t.”

    “Sorry, I thought you were one of the official guides.”

    “I am, but we’re not allowed to use gendered language.”

  117. struth

    VOLUNTEERS for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have been told to use gender-neutral language to avoid causing offence.

    You know, this is exactly why I come here.

    I thought about how stupid the gender neural thing was, and how embarrassing for Australia, but this is the perfect way to stuff those that agree with it in one or two quick sentences.

  118. Oh come on

    Again, we aren’t all heroes. Nearly all of us aren’t, in fact. If you’re young and in a situation where the perpetrator can ruin your career – and in all likelihood will if you speak out – most people are going to stay quiet. I hope none of your kids ever have to make a calculation like that, moley.

  119. jupes

    Gee the Marsh bros did alright.

    Second most runs and second best average.

    Well done selectors.

  120. Arky

    Human rights are pointless if they define who is human.

  121. EvilElvis

    A) decide to let it go because his aggressor is a top performer

    …in the sack and getting soft raped by a female boss who you’ve let wield her power over you is great fun and I may learn something. 😉

  122. stackja

    areff
    #2604195, posted on January 8, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    Meet the original faceless Labor men
    Samantha Maiden, The Sunday Telegraph
    March 21, 2013 11:55am
    It was fifty years ago that Sydney’s Daily Telegraph captured the famous images of former Labor leader Arthur Calwell and his deputy Gough Whitlam standing outside in the cold “waiting for instructions” from the 36 faceless men of the Labor Party conference.

    The year was 1963 and political journalist Alan Reid, known as the Red Fox, commissioned a photographer to get down to the hotel after midnight and capture the historic photographs, which became a big part of the Liberal Party’s subsequent election campaigns.

  123. Makka

    Ashes, done and dusted. Great team effort.

    Cats, what was the best Ashes moment? For me chest bump by the 2 Marshes mid wicket when they both got tons.

    Smith’s march through cricket history continues. The big Ashes challenges is winning in the Old Dart. Our batsmen will struggle I reckon.

  124. stackja

    Makka
    #2604328, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:05 pm

    South Africa first?

  125. Oh come on

    What is gross about the #meetoo-ism is all the bandwagon jumpers who are attempting to win themselves a slice of victimhood and/or are using it as an opportunity to virtue signal. These people are the vast majority of people participating in the #metoo hysteria.

    Genuine victims who have stayed silent for any number of reasons ought not be condemned for their silence. No, they aren’t brave heroes, but they are still victims.

  126. Baldrick

    Donald Trump book Fire and Fury posted free online by WikiLeaks

    Bwhahahaha, guess which cockhead paid for it …

    Rae
    #2603161, posted on January 7, 2018 at 12:31 pm
    The sample (being Authors Note, Prologue: Ailes and Bannon [the dinner], and the first 2 pages of chapter 1) was enough to convince me it will be a good read. I bought it on Kindle for $14.99.

  127. Gilas

    Struth re: Rights

    Brilliantly explained/argued!

    Anyone who doesn’t understand or agree, doesn’t WANT to understand.

  128. struth

    When we were kids, we used to get taught that if you get into trouble or someone is trying to get you into their car etc, run straight to the nearest policeman.
    If kids can do it, so can women.

    They don’t need to be brave.
    They need to be responsible adults and someone either broke the law or someone didn’t.
    If someone did and you don’t report it, you are an accomplice to the next criminal act the perp commits.
    If they didn’t STFU.

    You don’t get to pile on years later like screaming banshees.
    How brave do you have to be to go into a cop station and report what happened and tell the cops to look into it, but not to use her name at the very worst?
    You have a duty to report crime.
    It’s not negotiable on being brave or not.

  129. Morkel & Rabada in SA will adjust a few averages.

    You heard it here first.

  130. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #2604296, posted on January 8, 2018 at 2:21 pm

    I would prefer that the press refrained from reporting anything pejorative about complainants or accused, but the cat seems to be out of the bag in a lot of reporting we see now in all sorts of cases.
    Example … in the Ristevski murder case in Melbourne, Plod asked the public if they had seen a car matching that owned by Mrs Ristevski on a certain day in certain locations. They added all sorts of embellishments to their request, like Mr Ristevski claimed to have take the car for a drive to check a faulty fuel gauge, and that the fuel gauge was OK. All they needed to ask for was sightings of the car … no more, no less. The added detail is designed to poison potential jurors and pressure their target.
    The Rainey defamation case in WA might encourage Plod to STFU and do their jobs instead of loading cases via the media.

  131. Leigh Lowe

    I bought it on Kindle for $14.99.

    15 bucks buys a lot of Carlton Light Ice and ersatz Jatz from Aldi.

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    “It’s totally ridiculous that he’s now passed away without any justice…
    “He is one of the bravest Ballarat boys I know, he walked around broken and somehow found the strength to speak out.”

    A hero no less. I see a statue coming up in the public square, but in the ancient Greek style, with a leg, arm and head missing.

  133. I’m gonna miss the Cat.

    8 days cruising the Pacific, away from the peasants.

    Oh, wait…

  134. A hero no less. I see a statue coming up in the public square, but in the ancient Greek style, with a leg, arm and head missing.

    They need a statue for Maocolm.

    Not sure how you do one without a spine, though.

  135. Leigh Lowe

    A hero no less. I see a statue coming up in the public square, but in the ancient Greek style, with a leg, arm and head missing.

    The tomb of the fallen witness?

  136. jupes

    And if actual assaults were reported every time then the predators would be quickly and decisively thinned out making life for both genders much better.

    There are a few problems with this.

    1. What constitutes an ‘assault’ … a hand on a knee … a comment?

    2. Most likely most ‘assaults’ occur without witnesses. Who to believe? If , as appears likely to occur in the current environment, the man is guilty until proven innocent then that gives women a very powerful weapon.

  137. calli

    Cats, what was the best Ashes moment? For me chest bump by the 2 Marshes mid wicket when they both got tons.

    It was great. But the priceless moment was the look of horror on Smith’s face and the “f… me” as he watched the antics. 😅

  138. Makka

    Not sure how you do one without a spine, though.

    Here it is.

  139. Oh come on

    For too long women have not been heard or believed if they dared to speak their truth to the power of those men, but their time is up,” she said to loud cheers. Eleven years after being called upon to investigate Taylor’s case, Rose Parks refused to obey a bus driver and that choice “is now in every woman saying ‘Me Too,’ and every man who chooses to listen,” said Winfrey

    There is no “their truth”. There is only the truth. And conflating the struggle for civil rights with what is currently going on demeans that struggle. The two things are not remotely comparable, and it is insulting to the victims of Jim Crow-era injustices to suggest they are.

  140. stackja

    jupes
    #2604345, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:17 pm

    MSM selective on who they cover up.

  141. If it doesn’t exist, it is not a right,…… it is a hope, a dream, a desire for what should be.

    You haven’t show anywhere that a natural right does exist.

    You probably think you have a natural god given right to walk around without a black sack on your head.
    My point is you have a Christian god given right not to have to do that.
    A muslim god compels you to do it (if you are a women of course)

    No, the natural right here is to honour God, not two rights requiring two gods, but one right properly understood, which is exemplified in both instances by not wearing or wearing a burka.

    The two Gods are very different, yet whether Christian or Muslim all are humans.
    So all humans don’t have naturally given or god given rights just because they were born human.

    Wtf does this even mean?

    If you think that people have a natural right to pursue sustenance, why didn’t those Christians being murdered in the middle East just say to the Mussies, hang on a sec mate, I’ve a natural right to pursue sustenance and you chopping my head off violates that natural right.
    An unrecognised right is not a right.

    Of course it’s a right. If people don’t recognize the value of pi, that doesn’t mean such a value doesn’t exists.

    It is ridiculous to suggest that people are born with rights just because they are human, and that these rights are universally recognised.

    It’s not ridiculous at all, and I never said the latter. I said that people have natural rights in virtue of what they are, human beings. These rights can be specified because of the sort of thing human beings are, rational animals, and they are limited by this very fact too.

    They clearly are not.
    You have a god given right not to be killed in the womb.
    Obviously pointless drivel.
    Our society now dictates the lifestyle choices of the mother overrides your right to not be murdered.

    How is this ‘obviously pointless drivel’?

    Our strange view on rights that differ from culture to culture and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and religion have never been set in stone and have always changed.

    So your descending into moral relativism?

    We live by (albeit deteriorationg) western Christian rights, and we would say you have a right not to be aborted.
    If that’s a natural right, or a god given one, it is not adhered to.
    So it then becomes what is commonly called a “wish”
    This is a dog eat dog world, and you only have the rights your culture gives you.

    No, rights are not ‘wishes’, to say that I have a right to acquire food or shelter is not to enunciate a wish, its a claim. It is the claim that I and any other human being are entitled to get off our arses and grow a crop, or hunt game, in order to sustain our existence, and nothing more than that. Further, murder is not wrong simply because our society is Christian, or because the culture we are in currently says that murder is wrong. Murder is wrong for reasons independent of what any society happens to agree at any one time.

  142. Rae

    A hero no less. I see a statue coming up in the public square, but in the ancient Greek style, with a leg, arm and head missing.

    The tomb of the fallen witness?

    Yeah, maybe a bit early to declare a religious holiday to celebrate Dignans death. One of three (or more) witnesses/complainants wasn’t he? At least 90 individual alleged offences, not all in relation to the dear departed? Bit hard to get the cork back in a champers bottle. Might have to wait until the hearing in March to see if you wasted it.

  143. Lysander

    Cats, what was the best Ashes moment?

    I’d have to say Cindy. https://youtu.be/cDyuz0zFyv0

    Check out Rob Stich doing Imran Khan.

  144. Stimpson J. Cat

    You’re being a dick, stimps. Stop and think about it.

    Let’s think about it then.
    What makes it different now?
    Why wait until now?
    There was allegedly four of them in 2014.
    Who all knew each other.

    Four years ago.
    None of them had the phone number for Womans Day?
    F$cking curious.

  145. jupes

    Smith’s march through cricket history continues.

    True.

    The big Ashes challenges is winning in the Old Dart.

    True.

    Our batsmen will struggle I reckon.

    Dunno, but they should forgo the IPL and play county cricket for a season or two.

  146. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Rae
    #2604352, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    Fuck off, Grogarly. Being a Kitteh stalker makes you someone who is so low that you could walk upright, under a snakes belly, wearing a top hat.

  147. calli

    There was a streaker yesterday. Not a “great”Ashes moment, but noteworthy due to the Terrible Heat and rarety.

    There don’t seem to be so many of them these days. Too corpulent to climb the boundary fence?

  148. Howard Hill

    Struth re: Rights

    Brilliantly explained/argued!

    Anyone who doesn’t understand or agree, doesn’t WANT to understand.

    All this to understand that the only rights you have are those you are prepared to defend as a group?. Really, so much banter over a simple thing?

    I’m glad we all worked it out in the end. When do we start defending?

  149. jupes

    There don’t seem to be so many of them these days. Too corpulent to climb the boundary fence?

    A $5,000 fine might have something to do with it.

  150. When do we start defending?

    Can’t be this weekend, I have a barbie on.

  151. calli

    you’re

    I notice that several Cats are raiding the apostrophe bin unnecessarily. This means that fewer apostrophes are available for legitimate use. Please desist.

  152. Up The Workers!

    What was Craig McLaughlin doing wearing all that transvestite gear, in the first place?

    Was he playing the role our former Federal Parliamentary Speaker, or perhaps the role of former Chief of Australia’s Defence Forces?

  153. Stimpson J. Cat

    You have a duty to report crime.

    It comes down to personal responsibility.
    I know lots of women who did nothing and said nothing when it happened to them.
    That’s their choice.
    But I guarantee you every single one of them would advise their daughters to “speak up and take a stand” if it happened to them.

  154. OneWorldGovernment

    Why is it that with some of the most ‘whiz’ contraceptive chemicals and physical devices that women become pregnant and “NEED” to have an abortion?

  155. zyconoclast

    informal pharmaceutical industry

    Excellent.
    I used to call it “non pharmaceuticals”

    Yours is better.

  156. stackja

    calli
    #2604364, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:38 pm
    you’re

    I notice that several Cats are raiding the apostrophe bin unnecessarily. This means that fewer apostrophes are available for legitimate use. Please desist.

    youre wont missem willya

  157. All this to understand that the only rights you have are those you are prepared to defend as a group?.

    How can you defend something that is purported not to exist?

  158. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2604369, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:40 pm
    Why is it that with some of the most ‘whiz’ contraceptive chemicals and physical devices that women become pregnant and “NEED” to have an abortion?

    Ignorance?

  159. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cats, what was the best Ashes moment?

    Lyon getting Ali out for the seventh time in a single series.
    Ouch!

  160. John Constantine

    If all women are obliged to dob in predators:

    Because this is doomlords blog I will censor myself, but still remark that it is interesting that the gay predator Class, those that frequent ABC dinner parties, are so far under represented.

    Given the combination of proclivities and opportunities, this appears a statistical anomaly.

    Their ABC is packed full of gay activists that go full bore at pell, but haven’t spoken up about any abuse stories at all they heard about in their social circle.

    Powerful mafia omerta going on, even stale pale males are safe if they are artistic cocksuckers.

    The Countdown to Truth might take a while.

  161. Mother Lode

    Why is it that with some of the most ‘whiz’ contraceptive chemicals and physical devices that women become pregnant and “NEED” to have an abortion?

    They get pregnant because they don’t know what causes it.

    Sex education classes have moved far beyond how procreation works. For a start, it assumes that there are two distinct genders.

    They had to drop it from the syllabus to allow more time to focus on penis taping, anus exercises, and how to please adults.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    One of three (or more) witnesses/complainants wasn’t he?

    That was my question, Grigs. The MSM are fond of saying “numerous”, “many” and “several” without being definitive.

    At least 90 individual alleged offences, not all in relation to the dear departed?

    Source for that Grigs?

    Bit hard to get the cork back in a champers bottle. Might have to wait until the hearing in March to see if you wasted it.

    Not sure what you are on about Grigs. I specifically said I did not celebrate the deaths of others, making an oblique reference to the bint on Q&A who called for champagne when Margaret Thatcher died.

  163. Oh come on

    2. Most likely most ‘assaults’ occur without witnesses. Who to believe?

    Sure. And we must maintain the presumption of innocence. I have no truck with the ‘believe the women’ line. An accuser needs to provide the same amount of evidence to bring about charges and a conviction as before.

    The thing is that the vast majority of sex crimes are perpetrated by a tiny minority who do it often. Sex predators take advantage of the nature of their crime to avoid detection, as well as the circumstances of their victims. They often target victims who they calculate are less likely to come forward. Predators who find themselves in positions of power take advantage of the institutional protections offered to valuable members of the institution. They also take advantage of the presumption of innocence. If you are the victim of one of these people, you face an awfully daunting wall you need to try to scale. I can fully understand why most people would decide to stay quiet, or go down the NDA road. People here saying that victims ought to think of other victims need to put themselves into the shoes of a victim. I think it’s wrong to condemn victims for taking a very understandable option.

    I think it’s beyond question that, for some crimes, it is more difficult for the victim to come forward due to the nature of the crime. Additionally, the circumstances of some victims will also mean they are less likely to come forward. Sex predators take advantage of all these things to avoid detection. Victims of these people ought not be condemned for coming forward at a point when they feel safe in doing so, rather than at the exact time the offence occurred.

    Almost as repugnant as the predators themselves are the other powerful people who are praising to the rooftops the “bravery” of the victims as a cover for their own silence. Meryl Streep, that’s you. People like Streep are the ones who should STFU. She was silent before – when it counted – now her best move is to remain silent. STFU, Streep.

    Victims aren’t brave just because they’re victims. But they are still victims, and they still deserve justice. They aren’t enablers. It is the Streeps of the world who are the enablers.

  164. zyconoclast

    VOLUNTEERS for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have been told to use gender-neutral language to avoid causing offence.

    The Games Shapers handbook, which has been handed to 15,000 volunteers and official staff and contractors instructs workers to avoid phrases like “ladies and gentlemen” and “boys and girls”. It also includes instructions to use the term parents instead of mother or father and partners, rather than husbands or girlfriends.

    However, the guidelines have been labelled “political correctness gone insane”.

    Link

    I click on the link and read the story which leads to this:
    Dr Mair Underwood, an anthropologist from University of Queensland’s school of social sciences, told the Herald Sun that issues of gender and impairment were a major source of confusion.

    “I can understand why volunteers might be nervous about saying the wrong thing,” she told the outlet.

    “I teach a course on gender and sexuality, and every year LGBTIQ students will point out changes to language I have missed.

    “Every year I am scared that I will say the wrong thing because the language around gender and sexuality is changing so fast, it’s hard to keep up.”

    This is from a Dr School of Social Science, Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences at UQ.

    What does a Dr Mair Underwood look like?
    Go on, have a look. You know you want to.

  165. Des Deskperson

    ‘As queried above, what is that “number of complainants”? Two, including Dignan? The Age link from the old fred seemed to imply that it was two … Dignan and Monument.’

    Leigh, the ABC ‘expose’ included a third, err, informant who claimed to have seen Pell groping boys in the dressing sheds at, IIRC, Ocean Grove in Victoria. I’m hazy about the details – and I can’t immediately find anything on line – but at the time he was seen by Pellophobes as by far the most credible witness, at least compared to lumpenproles Dingan and Monument

    But then he seemed to have been quietly dropped, possibly because he claimed that Pell had been the parish priest at Ocean Grove when Pell had never been any such thing.

    Notafan may have a better recollection of the details.

  166. Mother Lode

    I notice that several Cats are raiding the apostrophe bin unnecessarily. This means that fewer apostrophes are available for legitimate use. Please desist.

    I worry about the letter ‘q’. While there might seem to be a limitless supply notionally, the processes to extract and deliver to market is finite. So we have to use phonetic spelling when, for example, we want to tell the sock Rae that it is a fuquit.

  167. Makka

    What does a Dr Mair Underwood look like?
    Go on, have a look. You know you want to.

    She’s quite accomplished is Ms Underwood;

    Research Interests
    bodybuilding
    I am currently conducting participant observation amongst recreational (i.e. non-competitive) bodybuilders.
    tattoo
    I am interested in how tattoo is used to construct and negotiate social boundaries such as gender and class.
    body
    I am interested in the social and cultural aspects of human bodies.
    body modification
    I am particularly interested in the various ways that people modify their bodies such as tattoo, bodybuilding, cosmetic procedures, weight loss or gain, and genital surgeries.
    online ethnography
    I am currently conducting an online ethnography of recreational bodybuilders.
    Research Impacts
    Mair Underwood has written numerous academic publications which have been cited by world experts. She prioritises community engagement featuring in the media regularly, and participating in panel discussions for varied audiences.

    Mair Underwood has produced 15 papers and two book chapters including two sole aiuthor and 4 first author papers. Fifty per cent of these papers are in ERA ranked A or A* journals and over 50% of these journals have impact factors of 2 or higher. Since her PhD she has presented at three national and two international conferences (one of the latter by invitation to Cambridge with all expenses paid by the conference). Her journal publications have been cited 96 times (Google Scholar) with an average of 6.8 citations per paper. Despite her short research career her h-index is 5 (Google Scholar). Her recognition as a body expert by the community has led to dozens of print, radio and television features, as well as invites to speak to various audiences outside of academia.

    Qualifications
    Bachelor of Arts, The University of Queensland
    Bachelor of Arts with First Class Honours, The University of Queensland
    Doctor of Philosophy, The University of Queensland

  168. Howard Hill

    How can you defend something that is purported not to exist?

    Rights exist when you create them and are prepared to defend them.
    Any right you want can be had under those circumstances!

  169. John Constantine

    200 undersea cables carry the world’s internet traffic between continents.

    Satellites a few percent of total.

    For a while, speculation that attempts are made to tap the cables from outside, or that explosives are laid where one command can blind the transnational internet.

    A new casual observation was that a tramp steamer with CA grappling hook and a strong anchor chain could commit asymmetric warfare with ease

  170. zyconoclast

    Morkel & Rabada in SA will adjust a few averages.

    You heard it here first.

    Predictions for the series average for: Steven Peter Devereux Smith?

  171. Up The Workers!

    Terribly sad about the A.L.P.’s Arthur Dignam.

    Like ALL those dozens of evidentiary documents about Juliar Gillard which mysteriously disappeared out of secure Court Registries and archives across the nation just before they were to be investigated in the T.U.R.C. Royal Commission, Dignams’ allegations against the A.L.P.’s hated Cardinal Pell, cannot now be tested under cross-examination.

    Oh well, Labor always has preferred propaganda and hearsay to mere facts.

    That’s why they denied that 16 year-old that Bonking Billy Short-One got drunk and allegedly raped down at Geelong, a Court hearing.

  172. Geriatric Mayfly

    Their ABC is packed full of gay activists that go full bore at pell, but haven’t spoken up about any abuse stories at all they heard about in their social circle.

    Then there was the ABC producer (Stephens?) recently banged up for his misdemeanours. The ABC veil of silence was immediate: “If we didn’t report it, it didn’t happen.” Even ol’ Googles ducked and weaved and shunted any further inquiries, regarding this fiddler, off to one of her menials.

  173. Infidel Tiger

    Smith’s march through cricket history continues. The big Ashes challenges is winning in the Old Dart. Our batsmen will struggle I reckon.

    Winning in India is what I want.

    We blew a golden opportunity in the last series.

  174. OneWorldGovernment

    If anyone appreciates Steve Sailer’s writing he has a good article up on Taki’s Magazine.

    http://takimag.com/article/mao_and_again#axzz53Z3NH4Po

  175. JC

    Golden Globes fashion discussion. Here’s my two cents worth.
    Zeta- Jones and Sharon Stone should tuck them in. They’re too old for cleavage presentation.

    Jessica Biel is one hot babe.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5244529/Red-carpet-75th-annual-Golden-Globe-Awards.html

  176. struth

    You haven’t show anywhere that a natural right does exist.

    Exactly.

    I’m saying they don’t.
    You aren’t born with any rights at all that the society you are born into doesn’t give you.
    I know what you like discussing Dover beach, and what you are into, but I have said my piece and I say it on these pages for others to read.
    That I have done.
    You’re just the conduit!
    Thanks.

  177. Oh come on

    I am currently conducting participant observation amongst recreational (i.e. non-competitive) bodybuilders.

    How to turn ‘I am a gym member’ into an academic pursuit. That is all it means, right?

  178. Snoopy

    Nothing says you’re against sexual harassment like hanging yer tits out.

  179. Nothing says you’re against sexual harassment like hanging yer tits out.

    Nah. It’s probably part of the deal struck with the plastic surgeon.

  180. Marcus

    Predictions for the series average for: Steven Peter Devereux Smith?

    48.

    More if Steyn misses the whole series, but even without him Rabada, Philander and Morkel will probably bring him back to the field a bit.

  181. cynical1

    Streep’s contribution to culture? Women are rooted face down.

    Maybe not in Hollywood.

    When everyone is an arsehole, it’s always sodomy…

  182. struth

    Flaunting figures, fake boobs hanging out of old tarts…………..dress in black because someone touched someone.
    Sharon Stone, just so hard to picture you upset at anything after you whored yourself for the whole world to see in 91/2 weeks etc.

    What a joke these thespians are.
    Our ancestors were correct in the social position they put them in.

  183. Oh come on

    You’d think someone who has a Ph.D in body adornments and whatnot would have a less cliched tatt.

    Just another tramp-stamped tramp. Something for Tony Abbott’s kid to work towards, maybe.

  184. Rights exist when you create them and are prepared to defend them.
    Any right you want can be had under those circumstances!

    That is true about contractual rights, but they are created and cease as soon as the agreement is satisfied. We aren’t talking about these sort of rights.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh, the ABC ‘expose’ included a third, err, informant who claimed to have seen Pell groping boys in the dressing sheds at, IIRC, Ocean Grove in Victoria. I’m hazy about the details – and I can’t immediately find anything on line – but at the time he was seen by Pellophobes as by far the most credible witness, at least compared to lumpenproles Dingan and Monument

    But then he seemed to have been quietly dropped, possibly because he claimed that Pell had been the parish priest at Ocean Grove when Pell had never been any such thing.

    Notafan may have a better recollection of the details.

    Des, I did find reference to a third person from Ballarat, in addition to Dignan and Monument, by the name of Darren Mooney, although he doesn’t appear in later reporting, and the report linked to last night implied very strongly that the current case revolved around two complainants.
    Of course, the use of vague plural terms (“many”, “multiple” “several”) conveys the impression of a large number, when it could mean “more than one”. Other reports mention “more than 50 witnesses to be called” without mentioning that a large number of these are witnesses for the defence, and leaving the implication that there are scores of witnesses for the prosecution who saw actual abuse take place.
    As for the Ocean Grove thing, the term, ‘groping’ is totally incorrect. The accuser there claimed to have seen Pell naked in a change room in the presence of boys. A bit like the Chris Gayle thing … “man naked in men’s change rooms” … Wow!
    I think that one was thrown in by the ABC to add spice when there was never any chance of charges being laid. What was the offence there again? Not being fully clothed in a change room?
    You’re right. Notafan and others may have a better recollection but, apart from the obvious errors you mention on the Ocean Grove thing, I have a memory that the source here had a long history of animosity towards all sorts of people and institutions and was dropped like a hot spud soon after.

  186. Infidel Tiger

    Predictions for the series average for: Steven Peter Devereux Smith?

    65+. Hes the real deal.

  187. jupes

    Predictions for the series average for: Steven Peter Devereux Smith?

    150.35

  188. Geriatric Mayfly

    Let’s not forget that in the upcoming Pell case, certain media (the usual suspects) keep reminding us there are 50 witnesses. The implication always is; that they will ALL be trotted out for the prosecution.

  189. Leigh Lowe

    65+. Hes the real deal.

    Youre being ridiculous.
    You dont take Tintas warning of an apostrophe shortage seriously do you?

  190. Howard Hill

    That is true about contractual rights, but they are created and cease as soon as the agreement is satisfied. We aren’t talking about these sort of rights.

    There are no other rights full stop!

  191. struth

    I feel as if I’ve been sexually assaulted be seeing some of those old whores with their fake tits hanging out.

    Jeeeeez Loooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeze.

    I’m as scarred as the stuffing slits on the underside of those unnatural mounds about to pop someone’s eye out.

    This is a dangerous work environment and these old units should be tagged and taped off.

    If Australian [email protected] were involved with this, they wouldn’t be wearing that garb and those high heels would be a definite no go.

  192. zyconoclast

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5244529/Red-carpet-75th-annual-Golden-Globe-Awards.html

    Other than Gal Gadot, the pictures of the actresses looks like the failed applicants to the circus freak show because they were just too weird and ugly and likely to scare away the customers.

  193. struth

    You dont take Tintas warning of an apostrophe shortage seriously do you?

    Look , I dont use my fair share, so supply should still be good.
    There will be no cat-apostrophe.

    However, Pixels, may be in sh rt su ply.

  194. cynical1

    Sharon Stone, just so hard to picture you upset at anything after you whored yourself for the whole world to see in 91/2 weeks etc.

    What a terrible thing to say.

    Sharon Stone, just so hard to picture you upset at anything after you whored yourself for the whole world to see in Basic Instinct etc.

    That’s better.

    Kim Bassinger played skank in 9.5 weeks.

    I got bored after the first 3 fucking days of that garbage.

  195. JC

    You aren’t born with any rights at all that the society you are born into doesn’t give you.

    That’s just silly Struth. That’s the stupid argument that old fraud, Cohenite threw up on the screen after he suggested there’s no such thing as natural/unalienable rights. When I asked him to refute the preamble to the Declaration of Independence he ran off pretending, smartarse comments like calling me a prick, dickhead and other shit would suffice to negate his obvious stupidity.

    We don’t require shociety to bestow any rights on us. What we require is for society/ the state not to take our natural rights away.

    You’re argument is statism and actually not far removed from fascism, which suggests the state owns your arse till you die and it will tell you how to act and behave in the meantime.

    I find it hilarious the discussion about natural rights derived from Cohenite telling us he’s a Libertarian like the Faulter reckons he’s the only Libertarian here. These loons are either doing serious drugs or they should be on the prescription range administered by a medic. Self medicating has too many side effects – as we can see with the self delusion and low-rent narcissism. Don’t you self medicate too.

  196. struth

    Oh, I thought they were the same bimbo.

    Shows you how much I follow that crap.

    Whatev’s oops,

  197. OneWorldGovernment

    Their ABC and VICPOL have triggered me with their constant crap about Pell.

    What about the evil ‘poofters’ in the ABC and VICPOL?

  198. struth

    You’re argument is statism and actually not far removed from fascism, which suggests the state owns your arse till you die and it will tell you how to act and behave in the meantime.

    I have been very careful to say “culture” and not “state” that you are born into, that gives you whatever rights you get a birth.

    You don’t need the state at all to have a culture.

  199. You haven’t show anywhere that a natural right does exist.

    Exactly.

    I’m saying they don’t.
    You aren’t born with any rights at all that the society you are born into doesn’t give you.
    I know what you like discussing Dover beach, and what you are into, but I have said my piece and I say it on these pages for others to read.
    That I have done.
    You’re just the conduit!
    Thanks.

    You know I meant ‘doesn’t’. The implication of your assertion is that whenever a government infringes a certain right that you could have no grounds for complaint. You only ever had this right because the government said you could, and only ever at their leisure. You certainly could never say that such an infringement ‘wrongs’ you for this or that reason because you’re denying that there is any such thing as a ‘wrong’ as well because to acknowledge a wrong is to acknowledge its correlative, a right. If I chain you to a lamppost for no justifiable reason I have wronged you , and this could only be true if you had a right to move about and pursue your daily business.

  200. stackja

    John Constantine
    #2604376, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    The ABC’s Marxists

  201. Oh come on

    Trump’s ‘very stable genius’ tweets

    are hitting

    their targets

    Great stuff!

    (links from Hollywood Director Judd Apatow Melts Down Over Trump’s ‘Stable Genius’ Tweets article seen at Drudge)

  202. Des Deskperson

    ‘As for the Ocean Grove thing, the term, ‘groping’ is totally incorrect.’

    Thanks, Leigh. I dunno where I got that one from, probably an embellishment from a Pellophobe colleague.

  203. struth

    What we require is for society/ the state not to take our natural rights away.

    What we require is the state to not take our rights away that were given to us via our ancestors and their culture/religion.

  204. Gilas

    I’m glad we all worked it out in the end. When do we start defending?

    You’re asking the wrong crowd.

  205. struth

    I’m starting to realise I am the true libertarian here, because I don’t see the state as a part of this conversation at all.

    I believe in representative government.
    The government reflects our culture and we are in charge of it.

    You guys seem to put government up in a higher place on the culture ladder than I do.

    Interesting.

    Government to me should be a service provider obeying the will of a group of people with a uniting culture.
    That’s where I’m coming from if that helps clear things.
    Government isn’t upstream from culture.
    It should be too small.

  206. EvilElvis

    If all women are obliged to dob in predators:

    Because this is doomlords blog I will censor myself, but still remark that it is interesting that the gay predator Class, those that frequent ABC dinner parties, are so far under represented.

    Only as dobbers who have a lot to lose and have been groomed by the regime to hold party line, comrade.

  207. Oh come on

    The NY Daily News front page headline (Sloppy Steve Cucks Himself) featured at Drudge isn’t very well considered.

    If you cuck yourself, wouldn’t that be a good thing? Your wife is cheating on you…with you?

  208. JC

    Whatever Struth. It’s dangerous thinking to suggest those rights are not natural rights we are born with. Don’t avoid that because the belief that society/state bestows those rights then the same can remove them without notice.
    In other words that’s exactly how the left think about natural rights. They can be bestowed and removed at will.

    Unalienable means they are immutable. They cannot be changed. They naturally belong to any human being.

  209. If I chain you to a lamppost for no justifiable reason I have wronged you , and this could only be true if you had a right to move about and pursue your daily business.

    If “we” are in a culture which still condones slavery, then you don’t need a reason, justifiable or not, to chain me to a lamppost. I have no “right” to move about and pursue my daily business. And in such a society if you owned me then you have not “wronged” me by chaining me up.

  210. testpattern

    ‘What we require is the state to not take our rights away that were given to us via our ancestors and their culture/religion.’

    Doug Wells demands land rights

  211. I’m glad we all worked it out in the end. When do we start defending?
    You’re asking the wrong crowd.

    +100

  212. testpattern

    natural rights

    Fish feel pain

    ‘In his 1789 treatise An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation, English philosopher Jeremy Bentham—who developed the theory of utilitarianism (essentially, the greatest good for the greatest number of individuals)—articulated an idea that has been central to debates about animal welfare ever since. When considering our ethical obligations to other animals, Bentham wrote, the most important question is not, “Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?”’

    https://www.hakaimagazine.com/features/fish-feel-pain-now-what/

  213. Oh come on

    I’m starting to realise I am the true libertarian here

    Noooooooo you don’t want to go down that path, it is strewn with ignominy and humiliation.

  214. Geriatric Mayfly

    Haven’t seen you around for a while Des D. The mere mention of Dr Blake this morning, seems to have dispelled any summer torpor, and has you up and running again.

  215. Oh come on

    Turn back while you still can!

  216. JC

    Noooooooo you don’t want to go down that path, it is strewn with ignominy and humiliation.

    lol.. and newsletters.

  217. Tom

    Ron Tandberg died this afternoon from cancer, aged 73. Tandberg was the funniest cartoonist in Australia until he started toeing the left’s party line. I’ve searching without success for the cartoon he drew in 1984 after former Victorian premier Sir Henry Bolte was let off a drink-driving charge by the wallopers:

    Somewhere between Ballarat Base Hospital, Ballarat police station and the state forensic laboratory, someone switched the vital blood sample that would have legally proven what was already legally known — that Bolte had been well over the blood-alcohol limit when his car hit another. If unknown conspirators were acting under political pressure it makes one of the greatest unsolved public scandals in Victoria’s history — and a stain on the memory of one of Australia’s greatest statesmen.

    Tandberg drew what I regard as his greatest cartoon – no caption required: a motorist arrives at a breath-testing station wearing a Henry Bolte mask.

    I worked with Ron and loved his trademark quizzical squint. What a tragedy he hadn’t made me laugh for 20 years because of the hateful doctrine he had allowed to kill his natural sense of humour. God bless you, Ron.

  218. JC

    Fish feel pain

    Reading your incoherent stupid swill is also painful. Between you and a few other meatheads, you’ve lowered the IQ here by 30 points.

    You don’t want fish to feel pain, The faulter reckons he’s the only libertarian here and Cohenite reckons he’s a libertarian despite arguing the existence of natural rights. No kidding, between the three of you, along with a few more imbeciles… it’s becoming a sheltered workshop for messed up people.

  219. Oh come on

    Bloody norah. That awful Streep woman is now declaring that Oprah Winfrey *has* to run for Prez!

  220. Lysander

    Check how many times a word has appeared in all books over any timespan you like:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=the&year_start=1500&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=7&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cthe%3B%2Cc0

    Courtesy of Google; funnily noticed that the word “Anthropogenic” only really started gaining traction from 1950’s onward..

  221. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2604451, posted on January 8, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    Noooooooo you don’t want to go down that path, it is strewn with ignominy and humiliation.

    lol.. and newsletters.

    lol

    shit stirrer.

  222. JC

    That awful Streep woman is now declaring that Oprah Winfrey *has* to run for Prez!

    Did she mention “God”, or Roman Polanski?

  223. Fish feel pain

    I.Don’t.Care

    They.Are.Food

  224. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Zulu, thanks for that reference to ‘Dinner with Churchill’. I’ll try to pick it up and digest it. 🙂

    Tom, I hope you enjoyed the review you requested I write. I stayed up to write it when I should not have, consequently I am tired today and thus open to being rather fed up with a few things around here.

    All that I’ve read, including links here yesterday, suggest to me that Churchill was a man who needed to keep topping up his blood alcohol levels throughout the day. That may have been what gave him his mojo but possibly also explains some of his noted irascibility. None of which detracts from his greatness in those areas where his talents shone; I’d like to know more of his judgement modes though in the areas where things are more dubious. Gallipoli, still; who’s pride was on the line in the failure to withdraw? And Dresden; retribution or strategy?

    Very ‘cute’ of me, of course, to have interests in historical interpretations, for which I must blame a Major in History at SU in the last days when it was properly taught. Similarly ‘cute’ of me to have some knowledge of Africa, given that I have been there three times already, have African friends, and attained a Cwlth post-graduate scholarship for a PhD in anthropology (a lot of it traditional African, again, in times before the discipline self-destructed). This was before I changed tack and took on other post-graduate studies in the Faculty of Medicine, as I had already successfully done some science in my Arts degree. Clearly I am simply ‘cute’ too in the very serious debate I had with Makka two nights ago. Believing me ‘cute’ was a mistake he made, and I trust he won’t make it again. I have more background in a lot of things than is known here. He argued ad hominum (femina?) against me, and I argued science against his inchoate judgements. I have no beef against Makka though; this type of debate is OK on a blog.

    The Vodka Monster descends into unfathomable levels of stupidity regarding my contributions to this blog and sadly drags others along with her. She engages in abuse, not debate, regarding me. She should stop drinking so much, and lose some weight (try phentermine dear, it’s prescribed for genuine obesity if that’s what you have). Her arthritis would improve and possibly her character. She should also buy some decent clothes, get her hair and nails done and find a real man to love her. Age is no excuse.

    She’d be a much happier woman then and would maybe leave me alone. Alternatively, she could continue to be an aging spinster, but a much healthier and hopefully nicer one.

    That all said, yes, Hairy thinks I am cute. And pretty. His prerogative. He knows me. 🙂

  225. The Moribund Barking Toad

    Of course Oprah should run for president…

    Because..bleck & vagina

  226. Oh come on

    No one should be asking Meryl Streep about anything. She really is a disgusting human being.

  227. Makka

    Reports from Londonistan, the tax eating Sudanese fright bat is at it again.

    AUSTRALIA’S “most publicly hated Muslim” has sparked fresh outrage with a bizarre tweet about African gangs and the country’s convict past.

    Yassmin Abdel-Magied, an activist, author, engineer and former Queensland Young Australian of the Year, first made headlines last year when she announced that “Islam to me is the most feminist religion” during an appearance on the ABC’s Q&A program.

    The 26-year-old later caused controversy when commenting about Anzac Day on Facebook, posting: “Lest We Forget (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine …).”

    Ms Abdel-Magied was accused of disrespecting Australian soldiers at the time, and her show Australia Wide was axed by the ABC just a month later.

    She received so much backlash following the post she moved to London and later compared Australia to an “abusive boyfriend”.

    Now, she has found herself in the centre of yet another social media storm after mocking Australians who were concerned about rising African gang violence on Twitter on Saturday, posting: “All these aussies outraged about ‘gangs’, acting like they’re not descendant of actual convicts lol.

  228. I have been very careful to say “culture” and not “state” that you are born into, that gives you whatever rights you get a birth.

    You don’t need the state at all to have a culture.

    Sure, you could have a tribe, but whatever the political arrangement is, it would simply be argued that whatever the state does is a reflection of that culture.

    What we require is the state to not take our rights away that were given to us via our ancestors and their culture/religion.

    No, see above. Whatever rights our ancestors recognized would have been instituted at some stage by the political arrangement that existed at that time. So if they were bestowed by that arrangement they could be repealed by any subsequent political arrangement. However, it is important to note that our ancestors never imagined that they created these rights ex nihilio, they believed they were natural to human beings in virtue of us being rational animals, and that it was incumbent upon the existing political arrangement to recognize and respect these rights.

  229. testpattern

    The Stable Genius, Jubilation T. Cornpone

    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
    Old “Toot your own horn – pone.”

    When we fought the Yankees and annihilation was near,
    Who was there to lead the charge that took us safe to the rear?
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone,
    Old “Toot your own horn – pone.”
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, a man who knew no fear!

    When we almost had ’em but the issue still was in doubt,
    Who suggested the retreat that turned it into a rout?
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone,
    Old “Tattered and torn – pone.”
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, he kept us hidin’ out!

    With our ammunition gone and faced with utter defeat,
    Who was it that burned the crops and left us nothing to eat?
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone,
    Old “September Morn – pone.”
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, the pants blown off his seat!

    HURRAY!

    When it seemed like our brave boys would keep on fighting for months,
    Who took pity on them and ca-pit-u-lated at once?
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone, unshaven and shorn – pone.
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, he weren’t nobody’s dunce!

    Who went re-con-noiter-ing to flank the enemy’s rear,
    Circled through the piney woods, and disappeared for a year?
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone,
    Old “Treat ’em with scorn – pone.”
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, the missing mountaineer!

    Who became so famous with a reputation so great,
    That he ran for president and didn’t carry a state?
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone,
    Old “Wouldn’t be sworn – pone.”
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, he made the country wait!

    Stonewall Jackson got his name by standing firm in the fray.
    Who was known to all his men as good ol’ “Paper Mache?”
    Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone,
    Jubilation T. Cornpone, he really saved the day!

    From L’il Abner

  230. Geriatric Mayfly

    Tandberg drew what I regard as his greatest cartoon

    We would all have our favourites. Mine was the flying wooden leg at the ANZAC march and the caption, ‘Who’d Throw a Leg Over that Lot.” This in the context of the uglies, calling themselves Wimmin Against Rape In War, who were making a lot of noisy static around our brave boys. An onlooker, actually took off his wooden leg and hurled it at the grotesque harpies.

  231. thefrolickingmole

    Oh come on
    #2604322, posted on January 8, 2018 at 3:00 pm
    Again, we aren’t all heroes. Nearly all of us aren’t, in fact. If you’re young and in a situation where the perpetrator can ruin your career – and in all likelihood will if you speak out – most people are going to stay quiet. I hope none of your kids ever have to make a calculation like that, moley.

    Ive done it before in support of a cousin (smoking hot why-do-we-have-to-be-related) who was copping it at Telfer.
    She was protected by management, the person sleezing her (serious stalker style) was reprimanded and I was promoted sideways to a new area as I worked under the sleeze in his area.

    Quite a mature outcome for everyone, she was protected, sleeze knew he had to pull his head in and I ended up in a better line of work.

    And to be clear only criminal matters to be dealt with by police, work related by work etc… none of this trying to blur the lines.

  232. Makka

    Believing me ‘cute’ was a mistake he made,

    Don’t push your luck, Lizzie. Cute never entered my head.

  233. Oh come on

    You’re a weird, weird dude, Pesty.

  234. Snoopy

    Somewhere between Ballarat Base Hospital, Ballarat police station and the state forensic laboratory, someone switched the vital blood sample that would have legally proven what was already legally known — that Bolte had been well over the blood-alcohol limit when his car hit another.

    VicPol doesn’t make silly mistakes like that anymore.

  235. struth

    Whatever Struth. It’s dangerous thinking to suggest those rights are not natural rights we are born with. Don’t avoid that because the belief that society/state bestows those rights then the same can remove them without notice.
    In other words that’s exactly how the left think about natural rights. They can be bestowed and removed at will.

    Unalienable means they are immutable. They cannot be changed. They naturally belong to any human being.

    I absolutely get that.
    We are faced with big government and they must not get the idea they control our inalienable rights.

    It’s almost a simplistic way to deal with simplistic government totalitarians, and I would suggest when talking to government, it might be the wise thing to do.

    However, if we had more faith and understanding in where our rights came from and who we are as a people, in our own hearts,we might get the idea that we don’t need such a big controlling government, and that we didn’t have one in the past and survived base on our culture and religion.

    Understanding Human rights as westerners perceive them, are actually western Christian rights, might give our population a little more confidence and pride, and may go somewhere toward making people realise they don’t need overbearing controlling government.

    We have Arabs, fucking Arabs lecturing us on human rights, and the socialist U.N. and we should be laughing in their faces.

    This has nothing to do with government when I say human rights are a result of western Christian culture and we should proudly own it, and not let anyone from other cultures that have never abided by them speak as if they own it because they happen to have opposing thumbs.
    It is dangerous to let governments think we don’t have natural rights, although that’s never stopped them becoming totalitarian.
    But being strong in our culture, owning it and being proud of it is a way of keeping government in line that is equally as good if not better than just screaming you have natural rights as they hand cuff you and take you away for commenting on the cat.

  236. JC

    However, it is important to note that our ancestors never imagined that they created these rights ex nihilio, they believed they were natural to human beings in virtue of us being rational animals, and that it was incumbent upon the existing political arrangement to recognize and respect these rights.

    It’s the fundamental basis of free market economics. Von Misis is godly in the way he manages to incorporate natural human rights and economics in his opus, Human Action. It’s a must read. Hayek’s, On Liberty is also terrific.

    And DB, excellent point explaining how our forefathers came to understand these rights as being unalienable. You love this stuff. 🙂

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