How do you deal with people who know all the answers before they hear the questions?

This is the most significant political problem of our time. The left are on the left because of a will to believe, but have virtually never had a political success other than by taking the reins of power which they quite often do, and not always peacefully either. They have imposed their will time and again because they often temporarily have the numbers, but are removed as soon as possible – which is often not very soon at all – since their beliefs create neither wealth nor freedom.

The outcome has been that no one on the left is any longer willing to debate since they have run out of arguments because virtually everything they say and do has a proven history of failure. And so the question has become, is it worth trying to convince people on the left who never listen to what anyone else says? Is it worth trying to show how markets work better than government direction, for example, or that there is no evidence of the existence of global warming? How do you deal with people who think that Barack Obama was worth electing president, or now even Oprah for heaven’s sake? It is the greatest problem of our day, and may yet lead to the collapse of our Western way of life. Anyway, I came across the brief schematic that I think sums up quite a bit.

Conservative, AKA Normal People = facts, analysis ——-> conclusion.

Liberals AKA Walking Nerve Endings = feelings, conclusion ——> rationalization

They are not “stupid” in the normal sense, political idiots though they are. They cannot learn from history because they do not want to, because history continuously demonstrates the dangers and vacuity of their ideas. If anyone ever works out how to get past the barricades they put up to protect their political prejudices from examination, they will save the world from a good deal of grief. In the meantime, we have to find ways to barricade ourselves from the destruction they cause whenever they achieve political control. There is always another Venezuela just around the corner if these people cannot be made to see how things really are, and that next Venezuela might be right there where you happen to live right now.

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58 Responses to How do you deal with people who know all the answers before they hear the questions?

  1. I was actually thinking of just this today. How do I convince friends, who aren’t necessarily Leftists, to view other sources of news than the Age and Their ABC? They don’t want to read say Breitbart or The Daily Caller and others, to at least see what conservatives commentators are saying.

    I don’t even ask them to believe what’s written, but to simply read other sources and ponder the differences and then make a judgement call. But they won’t do that and continue to absorb and believe what comes out of the Leftist news. And so all they do is repeat what Leftist believe in, even though they aren’t Leftists.

  2. Dr Fred Lenin

    We need politically incorrect real comedians in the old English tradition , laugh the pretentious crooks off the stage mock their stupid pretentious and bullshit ,exaggerate their follies . Litigate against them forcing them to prove their lies ,and if they use public money to defend themselves expose the personal wealth they have corruptly amassed . Question every proposal they make expose their connections with corrupt crony capitalists ,use their own weapon of envy against them and mock , mock mock them personally .
    Nothing hurts more than mocking pretentious parts . Expose their immoral behaviour use every weapon without mercy. No matter who it hurts . This is WAR TO THE DEATH .

  3. Fred Furkenburger

    There is a saying which I’m sure many of you will have heard but it’s worth repeating: “The Left see what they believe the Right believe what they see”. Says it all really.

    I had an experience recently recently talking to a leftie friend who I had told to look elsewhere and read a bit more widely the the ABC, The Age, The SMH, etc. They told me that they tried to read Andrew Bolts blog and had difficulty understanding his reasoning and what he was saying. Lefties do live on a different planet to conservatives.

    I should add one more anecdote. My sister went on a bit of a road trip a few years back with a couple of her girlfriends one of whom was a Canberra public servant and quite far left. As they drove down the road this woman was bemoaning all the signs of catastrophic global warming. For real!!! Kinda confirms the two point above.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    Saying stuff like this Steve will get you sent to a gulag on Kerguelen Island.

    Hewlett Packard Backed Report Includes Planned Penal Colonies for Climate Skeptics (9 Jan)

    the following are excerpts from a climate report which the Hewlett Packard website describes as a collaboration between HP Labs and Forum for the Future.

    “2028: Jean-Claude Bertillon, leader of the No Climate Change Party in Canada, is convicted of denying the existence of climate change. He is deported to the international convict settlement on Kerguelen in the Southern Ocean.

    It was ever thus. When another Stephen told the Sanhedrin the truth they stuck their fingers in their ears and shouted at the tops of their voices rather than listen. At least the Left isn’t stoning people yet.

  5. Bela Bartok

    I’m not convinced that it’s the case that the Left are voted out, or removed, once voters see what’s happened as a result of the Left policies at all.

    If that’s true, it doesn’t explain Victoriastan, or federal Labor, South Australia or Queensland, or the ACT, or those years NSW was led by the most corrupt Labor government in memory, where despite the most egregious harm done by the most pernicious policies, the Labor/Green unholy alliance continues its successes.

    I’m not convinced people draw the link between closing down coal power stations to sate Gaia and blackouts. Otherwise, the government would be out, completely.

    Rather, the wicked side-effects (or should I say direct consequences?) are deliberately clouded, concealed, ignored by the Left propaganda arm, aka the MSM, every government department, all schools and, most maddening of all, most party members. What am I saying – ALL politicians run cover for each other.

    Who cares if you get your Obama-phone and ‘free’ health, increased wages in childcare, extra construction costs, higher taxes etc.

    The battle for ideas is about removing the lies. Example: police chief in Melbourne-adishu flat out denying
    African gangs scare people. Why wasn’t he pilloried?

  6. H B Bear

    I’m not convinced people draw the link between closing down coal power stations to sate Gaia and blackouts. Otherwise, the government would be out, completely.

    Exactly. The ALPBC has been pushing global warming for years. Now they are broadcasting stories about pensioners and other welfare recipients being unable to afford electricity and heating. How unfair is that?

    I’m sure this contributes to the increased failures of Leftist policies through unintended consequences. KRudd’s pink batts scam was a great example which completely ignored any market based or human behavioural consequences of suddenly making all this “free” money available to what was a best a marginal industry. Other examples would include Gillard’s VET funding of private training providers ($1bn+ rorted), various forms of child care funding, Plibersak’s low income housing finance scheme etc, etc.

  7. The battle for ideas is about removing the lies. Example: police chief in Melbourne-adishu flat out denying African gangs scare people. Why wasn’t he pilloried?

    I don’t know.
    On a day when Victoria’s high car theft figures figure in some news outlets, Ashton slams gang fears.
    Pillorying him seems to be verboten.

  8. The battle for ideas is about removing the lies. Example: police chief in Melbourne-adishu flat out denying
    African gangs scare people. Why wasn’t he pilloried?

    Christine Nixon got away with that for years. Then again, she casually dined while Victoria went up in flames.

  9. David Bidstrup

    Venezuela is here now. It is called South Australia.

  10. A small correction Mr. Kates.
    You mis-typed. “might” should be “will”

  11. Paul

    They are not “stupid” in the normal sense, political idiots though they are
    I firmly believe that the leftards were born with the stupidity gene.

  12. DM of WA

    The Left has won the culture war. They won because they have been totally committed to achieving long term victory since the sixties. They fought an unconventional war where they did not face the enemy directly in a battle of ideas but outflanked the enemy and then overran them by making the long march through the institutions. The right carried on debating in their gentlemen’s clubs right up until the moment they were escorted from the premises of their own institutions by the new management.

  13. Conservative, AKA Normal People = facts, analysis ——-> conclusion.

    Liberals AKA Walking Nerve Endings = feelings, conclusion ——> rationalization

    The primary difference between men and women is that men are rational in their behavior while women rationalise their behavior. There are no limits to what women will rationalise and we are seeing the results of this all around us. The Left is what happens when you give women the vote.

    Our society has been feminised for some time. Our women are out of control because we let it happen. The answer to your question, Steve, is too unpalatable for most.

  14. Jo Smyth

    DM of WA

    +1

    Fortunately, Donald Trump is onto it.

  15. Fred Furkenburger

    “The right carried on debating in their gentlemen’s clubs right up until the moment they were escorted from the premises of their own institutions by the new management.” And that DM of WA applies to the Liberal Parties complete lack of backing out any, let alone the most egregious policies implemented by Labor governments, whenever they had the opportunity! Thus over time we have gone further an further down the socialist gurgler almost to a point of no return!

  16. Cynic of Ayr

    Now now!!!
    “And so the question has become, is it worth trying to convince people on the left who never listen to what anyone else says?”
    I got into deep doo doo with the other Cats for saying it would be a good idea to totally ignore Licorice Quenching Cincinatti (Whatever)
    No, no, they said. It’s far better to continually bash your head against the brick-like forehead of the said LQC, than to say nothing, thus admitting defeat. (Or words to that effect.)
    .

  17. The problem has always been that they claim to occupy the moral high ground by seemingly compassionate agendas such as “social justice”, cultural diversity, affirmative action for minorities and so on.

    Now the current triumph of postmodernism has also been to subvert our language to celebrate their ideology and portray traditional beliefs as “power structures” for dominating society.

    Our only hope is to reclaim the very nature of the language we use to describe our relationships.

  18. Rafe

    DM of WA that is where Trump and Milo are so different and important and effective. More strength to their arms.
    It is late in the day but it is not all over yet.
    BTW one of my friends suggested that left and non left ate becoming so incompatible that we might end up with two dpecies☺

  19. Howard Hill

    DM of WA.

    +infinity

    The left are winning because the right are full of gunna’s.
    Until all the wailing on forums like this turns to actions, we’re boned, good and hard!

  20. Jo Smyth

    The left use the same tactic all the time. Just watch them. When they start losing an argument they just talk over anyone, loudly, and continue shouting the opposition down until the opposition just shut up. It works for them every time.

  21. First past the post voting will do it every time!

  22. Gilas

    The left are winning because the right are full of gunna’s.
    Until all the wailing on forums like this turns to actions, we’re boned, good and hard!

    You’d think otherwise intelligent people on this blog would have worked that out by now.

    But no. Their cardigans might get crumpled, so best not make a foss, luv.

  23. Greg

    For the left, the rationale is they are always just one atrocity away from utopia.

    After all the ends justify the means. One hundred million dead last century, and we are just a hairs breadth from utopia.

  24. Sydney Boy

    The left take action … because the right are usually at work earning money to pay taxes to support the left.

    The left also make language their friend. A job advertisement for a white man is sexist and racist. A job advertisement for a black woman promotes diversity.

  25. egg_

    The primary difference between men and women is that men are rational in their behavior while women rationalise their behavior. There are no limits to what women will rationalise and we are seeing the results of this all around us.

    Tribal Lefty blokes are just as bad.

    Ever had a conversation say where you suggest painting a wall in black gloss enamel and they’re discussing flat white acrylic – and it takes some time to interrupt them?

  26. overburdened

    As per the hag wench bag lady greenie that somehow got a gig out here in the boonies where one would have thought a clear mind and even temperament would be handy.
    As you try to do, I was attempting site orientation. In amongst the repetitious yes rights and that’s rights, it was continuously I know before I could finish a sentence. I got so distracted that I said, ‘ If you know, why am I telling you?’, to which she burst into tears said, ‘ yes I should shut up but I’m so concerned about …..’. She went on about total shit that has nothing to do with what she is getting paid for. I turned and walked away, and she yelled, ‘but I’m trying to tell you something’.
    Needless to say, it’s the climate change, coal mines, the water resources, the impact on the indigenous people, the state of the planet and what about her grandchildren. I expect her to be gone soon. Not because she’s a crazy old leftie greenie fuckwit, but because she is untrainable. I have intentions regarding the wranglers who dig up these pricks and send them to where they should never go. These intentions do require finding said wranglers alone and unaware.

  27. Boambee John

    Rafe at 1925

    BTW one of my friends suggested that left and non left ate becoming so incompatible that we might end up with two dpecies☺

    I can forsee the US breaking up into left and right nations. If this happens, it will be an interesting experiment in comparative politics and economics.

    Less likely here, but not impossible.

  28. #justme

    Overburdened, I like your writing style and sentiments.

  29. overburdened

    Thank you. It should be noted that she drove her air polluting car 2000k to tell me all about it.

  30. Howard Hill

    The left take action … because the right are usually at work earning money to pay taxes to support the left.

    So why aren’t the right on a tax holiday? Ah that’s right. Scared they won’t have enough money for Saturdays barby! Too busy psycho-Anal-ysing everything.

    The left use the same tactic all the time. Just watch them. When they start losing an argument they just talk over anyone, loudly, and continue shouting the opposition down until the opposition just shut up. It works for them every time.

    Never stopped me wiping the floor with them. They won’t even talk to me now, too intimidating and my delivery sucks, lol.
    Had three feminazis in tears just this weekend.
    It’s so easy it’s a laugh and a blast :~)

    What you need to remember is they have no critical thinking skills, they just parrot what all their comrades say over and over. We’ve all had plenty of time to come up with a retort they just can’t argue against. You need to be strong and just hound them till they cry. they soon give up and retreat to their safe spaces. They really are that pathetic. Play them at their own game.

    What we need is to get alpha males and females attacking them in the media anyway we can. We’ll always win and we’ll never get sick of winning! Trump has shown the way. Get out there and be loud and obnoxious but stay within the rules and don’t be a snowflake, don’t be afraid to hurt some poor lefties feelings, because they don’t give a rats about yours!

  31. egg_

    The left use the same tactic all the time. Just watch them. When they start losing an argument they just talk over anyone, loudly, and continue shouting the opposition down until the opposition just shut up. It works for them every time.

    Standard harridan tactics on any ABC panel – Jane Caro regularly on The Drum is a clear cut case.

  32. Jo Smyth

    Howard Hill all very well to be strong but if the left get shouted down the next stage is violence. Don’t know if I could cope with that.

  33. Howard Hill

    Howard Hill all very well to be strong but if the left get shouted down the next stage is violence. Don’t know if I could cope with that.

    Then we’re toast.

  34. Tribal Lefty blokes are just as bad.

    Ever had a conversation say where you suggest painting a wall in black gloss enamel and they’re discussing flat white acrylic – and it takes some time to interrupt them?

    Egg, tribal lefty blokes are feminised men. They take up lefty attitudes because they see most of the chicks doing it and so they think that it will get them laid. When this fails to eventuate they become more feminised and slowly go insane. One of the last stages is to talk at length on subjects such as flat white acrylic whilst thinking that the actual color being discussed is a nice shade of coffee.

  35. egg_

    Adam
    #2606873, posted on January 10, 2018 at 10:43 pm

    You could be right.
    I’ve been in official one-on-one meetings with the agenda of discussing apples and had an idiot rabbit on for some time about oranges till I had to interrupt him and get him back on the same page – unbelievable – it’s like they’re in a self dialogue and you’re a mere bystander.
    Much like Howard’s experience above.

  36. egg_

    The above has happened on a number of occasions with an individual I’ve worked with.

  37. What we need is to get alpha males and females attacking them in the media anyway we can. We’ll always win and we’ll never get sick of winning! Trump has shown the way. Get out there and be loud and obnoxious but stay within the rules and don’t be a snowflake, don’t be afraid to hurt some poor lefties feelings, because they don’t give a rats about yours!

    This.

    But also, don’t be afraid to get out there and look stupid. You might lose your first few attempts but you’ll soon learn. Lefties and progs aren’t afraid of looking stupid because they don’t understand what looking stupid means.

  38. Stimpson J. Cat

    But also, don’t be afraid to get out there and look stupid.

    Now we are talking my area of expertise.

  39. BorisG

    In my world idiots are to be found in ample numbers on right and left. In fact I consider anyone who adheres to any ideology (right or left) fanatically and uncritically pretty much as an idiot, and a dangerous one at that.

  40. Defender of the faith

    Kates self awareness case study in this headline.

  41. MPH

    If someone conflates believing with knowing then there’s no point engaging with them on anything beyond the usual niceties. They actually need psychological help.

  42. Alexi the Conservative Russian

    “If anyone ever works out how to get past the barricades they put up to protect their political prejudices from examination”. In other words those of the Left are political bigots. So we should start calling them by that name.

  43. Jessie

    H B Bear @ 5.14pm

    Other examples would include Gillard’s VET funding of private training providers ($1bn+ rorted), various forms of child care funding, Plibersak’s low income housing finance scheme etc, etc.

    For example
    Postcode is interesting, as is cabling business.

  44. md

    They are not “stupid” in the normal sense, political idiots though they are. They cannot learn from history because they do not want to, because history continuously demonstrates the dangers and vacuity of their ideas.

    The answer you are seeking lies in this statement:

    Liberals AKA Walking Nerve Endings = feelings, conclusion ——> rationalization

    With the Left, ‘feelings’ do not come after ‘ideas’; ideas come after feelings, or, more correctly, ideas develop as a consequence of their feelings. Take your typical self-loathing leftist victim. They do not have a set of political ideas. They have formed the view that society has made them a victim, so they want revenge on society. They clearly see that leftist politics harms those whom they see as the source of their victimhood, so they adopt the ideas of the Left – ideas follow feelings.

    The narcissistic Left want the psychological reward of advertising and affirming their self-perceived superiority to ‘ordinary’ people, so they adopt ideas – namely, leftist ideas – that they KNOW will hurt ‘lesser’ people than themselves. They take malicious pleasure from rubbing their success in the faces of others. Once again, ideas follow feelings.

    Conservatives (real conservatives) are cursed with a ‘justice gene’. We look out at the world and judge what is right and wrong and it is from that that we develop our ideas.

    On the other hand, leftists, being self-focused, look at how the world views them and then develop their ideas from that. It is important to understand that people who are self-focused like that aren’t very smart. Like young children, they are unable to reason past their view that they are at the centre of the universe. Smart people have the intelligence to be self-aware and self-analytical and therefore have a more mature view of themselves AND others. Leftists are not that smart.

  45. Gilas

    Leftists are (in no particular order):

    1) Stupid: meaning low-IQ moronic.
    2) Irrational: unable to reason effect from cause.
    3) Ignorant: facts inconvenient, irrelevant and always non-consideration when compared to feelings.
    4) Violent: how else would one of these cretins win an argument otherwise?
    5) Autocratic: otherwise they’d be cleaning latrines with bare hands if given a job meritocratically.
    6) Evil: changing language and corrupting young minds allows their survival in modern society.

    And if anyone on this blog, and elsewhere, believes these vermin can be defeated by reason, rational discussion and peaceful means, then they are part of the problem.

  46. flyingduk

    save yourselves: buy guns, gold/bitcoin and generators, when the next gfc hits, the real one, its going to be a target rich environment

  47. Habib

    Every leftist I know is dumber than Wayne Swan. They are however like computers in one facet, you have to punch information into both.

  48. Dr Fred Lenin

    The left has to be treated like the islamofascists , African criminals and u.n. globalist communists , ruthlessly . No quarter ,Dalek them . Firstly deprive them pf all taxpayers funding , privatise alpbc/ sbs ,taxpayer funded propaganda arm of the left ,pull all advertising from fauxfacs and assist its financial demise . Repeal all politically correct u.n. communust laws ,pull out of all lefty groups ,hammer university and union funding till they perish . Bring back death penalty for murder and treason . That would be the beginning of the end for Narxism ,you don’t win wars with reason. you win by using more force than the enemy. EXTERMINATE ! EXTERMINATE !

  49. Habib

    We really need a lot more helicopters. Maybe we can lease some from the Ukraine.

  50. overburdened

    Speaking of the me too hashtag, I wonder if any such fuckwits have seen The Life of Brian, when he is busy trying to get them of his back, and in the end telling them to fuck off; to be riposted by, ‘How shall we fuck off Lord?’. I also wonder if it triggered a moment of insight…nup..

  51. HBBear:

    Exactly. The ALPBC has been pushing global warming for years. Now they are broadcasting stories about pensioners and other welfare recipients being unable to afford electricity and heating. How unfair is that?

    But that’s what the government actions are designed to do!
    If the price of a good increases, then people will use proportionally less of it.
    So because the poor, who were obviously the main target for this pricing increase – and who would have been using the product most efficiently – are now the recipients of funding to ameliorate the outcome which was the intended one!
    Madness.
    Sheer raving leftist madness.

  52. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Habib
    #2607388, posted on January 11, 2018 at 3:31 pmWe really need a lot more helicopters. Maybe we can lease some from the Ukraine.

    Empire
    #2597434, posted on December 31, 2017 at 11:06 am
    Or, we could just stick them all in the back of a C-17 Globemaster, along with their mothers, fathers (if known), sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, and cousins, and fly them back to wherever they came from.

    Imagine what Pinochet would have done with a squadron of C-17s.

    rickw
    #2597442, posted on December 31, 2017 at 11:17 am

    Imagine what Pinochet would have done with a squadron of C-17s.

    “It’s raining communists, hallelujah!”?!?

    Our hope for the future.

  53. Empire GTHO Phase III

    The Globemasters will of course be fitted with psyops PA and play Wagner at deafening SPLs.

  54. egg_

    So because the poor, who were obviously the main target for this pricing increase – and who would have been using the product most efficiently – are now the recipients of funding to ameliorate the outcome which was the intended one!

    Gillard admitted same when she introduced the Carbon tax she said she wouldn’t – that there would be compensation – so hit the middle, as usual.

  55. Tim Neilson

    “Progressives” may be stupid in lots of ways, but many of them have a veneer of intellect.

    They’re often people who did well in exams at school and even at Uni*, but were never part of the really cool gang, and they spend the rest of their lives trying to psychologically compensate for the universe’s failure to validate their high opinion of themselves.

    * Usually, though not always, in disciplines (or pseudo-disciplines) where you could get great marks for an essay concluding that an issue was “problematic”.

    It’s been around for a long time. In “The Island of Sheep” John Buchan had his fictional hero Sandy Clanroyden describe how the progressives of the 1930’s had “a smattering not so much of facts as of opinions”.

  56. Leo G

    “Progressives” may be stupid in lots of ways, but many of them have a veneer of intellect.

    The veneer seems quite thin in the Australian Medical Association experts who have been repeating all week that sugar used in beverages “has absolutely no food value”.

  57. Lawrie Ayres

    You all do realise the Left have a megaphone because taxpayers give it to them. The ABC, the universities, the Writers Festivals and so on are all taxpayer funded. Take away the funding and the left are voiceless. No leftists will subscribe to a left version of Fox, they only read the SMH because they give away free copies, so cut off the money and the left dies.

    A conservative government with guts could do this but even Abbott thought he could buy them off. Doesn’t work and neither do the left when you think about them. All dependent on the taxpayer teat as public servants, teachers and ABC types. The left only ever use your money and never their own.

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