Wednesday Forum: January 17, 2018

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  1. C.L.

    For over 100 years Americans have said, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free… send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me”.

    “Americans” never said that. The poetess Emma Lazarus wrote the words. A dedicated Zionist, she would almost certainly be killed by 99 percent of today’s “refugees.” She would also be expelled from the Democrat Party.

  2. Rae

    Why would school shoes have steel toe caps? More importantly, did school shoes ever have steel toe caps?

  3. H B Bear

    A seat in the Australian Senate has always been a participation prize for those unable to make it past the voters in a House of Reps electorate. Union hacks, time servers, branch stackers, Party officials, idiot sons (think Joe Ludwig). Have I missed anyone out?

    Just abolish the whole thing and let the government get on with governing.

  4. H B Bear

    Have I missed anyone out?

    Token aboriginals.

  5. jupes

    Have I missed anyone out?

    Former NSW premiers?

  6. egg_

    So boneheads in the Senate will be joined by Moose Knuckles – what an improvement

    Eye candy – but I think the dwarf’s tits are bigger?

  7. Have I missed anyone out?

    Anyone that has a copy of the videos.

  8. egg_

    Why would school shoes have steel toe caps? More importantly, did school shoes ever have steel toe caps?

    I note that there are joggers with steel toes caps in the Aldi catalogue.

  9. stackja

    Davey Boy
    #2612153, posted on January 17, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    EPA sold Glad Bag an idea. What could possibly go wrong?

  10. The Moribund Barking Toad

    Eye candy – but I think the dwarf’s tits are bigger?

    Bull Shitten’s certainly are – that’s why Pickering always has him with a bra

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    Then went back home, bottle sack over shoulder, and rang the local state member to let them know, their response was yes the scheme is a bit of a joke, isn’t it … and the local member is a Liberal

    The whole deposit scheme is so stupid that there must be something else to it.

    I suspect it is a camouflaged funding deal for local councils. They all have recycling bins. Most people are going to say it’s too hard and not worth the time and petrol to return these wretched containers so they’ll do like always: dump them into the recycling bin and fume at the NSW Libs.

    The councils will therefore be able to divert them right off their conveyer belt into a big pile and get 10c each for bottles they were maybe getting 0.1c for from a PET recycler. Free money!

  12. FFS, I have been hearing about the big breakthrough in solar for decades, since I was a child. That, and Crown of Thorns starfish destroying the Barrier Reef.

    Peak Oil, Johanna. You forgot Peak Oil.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peak Oil, Johanna. You forgot Peak Oil.

    I don’t have a reference, but the first “Peak Oil” was calculated to be the 1890’s, the next was the 1920’s.

  14. Following on from watching a couple of the videos at the links, I’m reminded of the oil companies at the start of the last century.
    “Find something to do with this sludge! It costs a fortune to dump!”
    It was the origin of the plastics revolution.

  15. Boambee John

    egg at 1713

    Thanks for drawing my attention to an inane comment by a troll on my “scan past” list.

    The toe caps in question were small plates nailed under the toes (and also heels) of leather soled shoes, presumably to reduce wear caused by foot dragging, not with great success. They wore to a sharp edge.

  16. Geriatric Mayfly

    Have I missed anyone out?

    The sexually confused.

  17. People wearing billboards that say: “THE END IS NIGH!” were once ignored and left in poverty on the streets.

    Now we elect hem as Proym Ministers.

  18. Tel

    For over 100 years Americans have said, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free… send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me”.

    Very important phrase there: “yearning to breathe free”

    That rules out both the Democrats and Republicans in modern America since neither of them have the slightest interest in freedom, especially not for any huddled masses.

  19. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle at 1717

    I suspect it is a camouflaged funding deal for local councils. They all have recycling bins. Most people are going to say it’s too hard and not worth the time and petrol to return these wretched containers so they’ll do like always: dump them into the recycling bin and fume at the NSW Libs.

    The councils will therefore be able to divert them right off their conveyer belt into a big pile and get 10c each for bottles they were maybe getting 0.1c for from a PET recycler. Free money!

    If you choose this route, crush them before putting in the recycling bin.

  20. Boambee John:
    If there’s a limit of 100 returns, I reckon a smart kid would be able to whip up a big bag and then drop them off over ten episodes each Saturday morning for $100.

  21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So boneheads in the Senate will be joined by Moose Knuckles – what an improvement

    Wouln’t Moose Knuckles be drawing a pension of some sort, for her time in N.S.W. State Parliament, and wouldn’t that disbar her from the Senate?

  22. JC

    I don’t have a reference, but the first “Peak Oil” was calculated to be the 1890’s, the next was the 1920’s.

    Ronery, in terms of the technology used to extract and discover oil it would have been very difficult not to have reached peak oil at those times. Oil was a very expensive product in the 1860’s – close to $500 a barrel. It was technological breakthroughs that allowed humanity to extract those reserves hidden due to inadequate technology.

    The first oil found in the philly oil fields was easily discovered. Oil seeped into fields at ground level and wells were built to extract the crude.

    If you weren’t stupid with a sketchy 9th grade education, you wouldn’t be posting these ridiculously simplistic tweets. This stuff goes right over your head, you deeply stupid twat.

  23. Snoopy

    Why would school shoes have steel toe caps? More importantly, did school shoes ever have steel toe caps?

    Not safety boot steel caps but after market fitments tacked on to the heels and toes of leather soles. Quite common.

  24. Tel

    At the moment every internet provider has to purchase how much bandwidth they need per month from the NBNco.

    The more they buy, the less likely their speeds will slow down during peak hours.

    This charge is called the Connectivity Virtual Circuit (CVC)

    Exactly what was in the original NBN business plan, right at the very start. WTF did you expect??

    Can’t imagine why anyone would be suddenly surprised by this… except for those complete idiots who never read the plan in the first place. Do you know anyone like that?

  25. Geriatric Mayfly

    SA hit by mini heatwave Oz Headline.

    This is a new one. Anyone know the profile of a mini heatwave? Dreadful Heat ™ is obviously excluded, maybe it’s just a Hot Day.

  26. Snoopy

    Wouln’t Moose Knuckles be drawing a pension of some sort, for her time in N.S.W. State Parliament, and wouldn’t that disbar her from the Senate?

    Not a Commonwealth payment.

  27. Boambee John

    Snoopy

    Yes.

    The original response to my comment was utterly inane, but typical of the troll.

  28. Rae

    Boambee John, far be it from me to downplay your bravery in kicking someone in the shins, but there is a difference between the little steel toe plates you now say you meant and the steel toe caps you originally boasted about.

    You seem to have turned the tap-dance into your crusade.*

    * Apologies to Billy Joel.

  29. H B Bear

    Just nabbed one of those StarTrack delivery drivers before they could fill out the card and disappear. Second time in a couple of months.

  30. notafan

    Jupes, I think, got leaving the muslim shithole thing right.

    It’s islamic exceptionalism.

    Just about everyone else fleeing hellhole countries eagerly embarass western freedoms.

    But Muslims, they’re just here for the dhummi shakedown, again.

  31. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2612190, posted on January 17, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    Oh it’s the Kitteh Stalker. Fuck off.

  32. H B Bear

    Not a Commonwealth payment.

    Different trough more like it.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not a Commonwealth payment.

    Thanks, Snoopy.

  34. Tel

    I suspect it is a camouflaged funding deal for local councils. They all have recycling bins. Most people are going to say it’s too hard and not worth the time and petrol to return these wretched containers so they’ll do like always: dump them into the recycling bin and fume at the NSW Libs.

    Judging from the people hanging around the local auto-robot recycling return machine, there’s quite a lot of working poor already well ahead on this recycling business. There’s typically a queue about three people deep. The time spent just feeding them through the machine one by one is immense not including the time spent collecting and in transport. However, I’m guessing the majority of those people don’t share their “return and earnings” with the Australian Tax Office.

    Logistically the scheme seems pretty stupid, but it does appear to be keeping people occupied… one would guess that’s the main purpose. Probably the council will give up even picking up recycling bins at some stage (then we can insist on lower rates).

  35. Rae

    BTW Boambee John, there is a tap version of line dancing that you could do with your pretend “Steel capped” school shoes.

  36. egg_

    Haven’t been lucky enough to catch Teh Dumb – Dumber Edition with Adam Spencer, yet.
    Must be a treat.

  37. JC

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2612058, posted on January 17, 2018 at 3:09 pm
    JC:

    Chevy Bolt: US$37,495
    Chevy Cruze: US$16,975

    Very similar in size. The Bolt EV range is “an impressive EPA-estimated 238 miles of range”(lol). The Cruze range is probably about 450 miles.

    Chevy know how to mass produce vehicles. Do you think they are hand-making each Bolt?

    Bruce,

    Do you think the production line for the EVs is as big as the lines for the petrol engines? Sideline products also cost more.

    It also surprises me to think that you haven’t considered the potentially enormous scaling you can attain from mass producing virtually one size fits all electric motors compared to large variations of petrol engines now. Condense production to say 5 electric motors used in the world for mv production and visualise the potential drop in costs. There would be humungous cost savings.

  38. Baldrick

    Classic Grig O’Rae Revisited (Summer Edition)

    Grigory M
    #1853826, posted on November 13, 2015 at 8:53 am
    What a disaster. Garmin Connect crashed yesterday and is still out. I am unable to sync my Vivofit2 and compare results with my fitness competitors

  39. BoN;
    Would you mind having a look at this video, and giving an opinion, please?
    It’s about 5 minutes and bloke talks about carbonic acid and electricity making JP5.
    The only thing unmentioned is the amount of electricity required.
    Ta.

  40. Snoopy

    WTF are you doing, Grigs? He’s Boambee John, not Boambee Joan.

  41. egg_

    SA hit by mini heatwave

    The Mini-me Weatherdildo got hot and bothered?

  42. Top Ender

    National Trust in Britain:

    Last October, at the Trust’s AGM, I heard senior management bemoan the white, elderly middle-classes who make up a huge proportion of the Trust’s volunteers and visitors.

    Most organisations would be thrilled with five million members of any age, class or skin colour.
    Only the National Trust is crazy — and rude — enough to attack the background and interests of its members, and to alienate them with relentless campaigns that have little to do with its raison d’être — preserving this nation’s beauty and heritage.

    Someone in it also having a go at Churchill.

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    Do you think the production line for the EVs is as big as the lines for the petrol engines? Sideline products also cost more.

    They should be all the same production line JC. Reprogrammable. Why do you think the car companies can spit out a zillion different versions of each marque?

    The cost difference is due to the complexity of the battery and the purity requirements and cost of the materials. Electrochemistry is finicky, combustion is much more forgiving.

  44. egg_

    JC
    #2612200, posted on January 17, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    I think you’ll find e.g. a battery brush cutter will cost you more than an ICE one – both simple implements, but one needs an additional charger and batteries*.

    *One of the large costs that BoN keeps hammering away about.

  45. H B Bear

    Haven’t been lucky enough to catch Teh Dumb – Dumber Edition with Adam Spencer, yet.
    Must be a treat.

    Ol’ Wonky Eye has become quite the valued member of the ALPBC staff co-op since his early days at the co-op kindy JJJ with fellow co-op member Wil(l) Anderson. Like all ALPBC staffers now firmly attached to Aunty’s generous bosom and well into their second decade attached to the taxpayer tit. Might even rack up 50 years around the water cooler if he follows in the footsteps of Quentin Dumpster and has to be prised off the tit with a six figure payout in his 70s.

  46. cohenite

    I’ll put this here since it was asked on the last thread.

    Empire GTHO Phase III

    #2611835, posted on January 17, 2018 at 11:16 am

    Well, I’m off to the range; today the Beretta 92FS will be in action

    Cohenite

    I’ll be in US in the near future and was planning on doing a “9mm buffet” session at a range. Aside from the 92, any other makes/models you recommend?

    I tend to prefer semis to pistols although when an old friend retired I kept his S&W 4″ 357 magnum stainless, a pretty gun and quite accurate.

    I also prefer 9mm for the convenience although the action shooters will say the 38 supers are the way to go and they are a more accurate weapon with plenty of whoomph.

    But at my age I just like plinking and I would recommend other than the Beretta which I think is top of the pile, the Walther PPQ which is a light but forgiving gun which cycles with even light loads and has the all important threaded barrel.

    Good shooting.

  47. Delta A

    SA hit by mini heatwave Oz Headline.

    It’s called ‘summer’, and it has been stinking hot for all of the (almost) seven decades that I have been alive.

    As children, we coped with the many extreme days by playing under the sprinkler, splashing in a cold bath and sleeping outside, under the stars. No early release from school. No air conditioning. For a few years, not even any refrigeration.

    Today’s snowflakes are so accustomed to their climate controlled cars, schools, houses and workplaces that a few seconds of blasting heat outside of their cooled cocoons is enough to convince them of Climategeddon.

  48. JC

    Joh

    Telsa has a market cap of $US56 billion and loses money each quarter. Daimler Benz has a market cap of $US 77 billion and makes decent money. Tesla is essentially a niche player and has attained a market cap of 72% of Daimler’s. That’s a wow! but not to you though.

    Your problem is that you have biases and have never shown an analytical mind. Combine that with the fact that you worked as a government schlep for most of your adult life and it creates a huge problem, as you don’t appear to have any respect for markets and market signalling.

    Tesla’s market cap is telling us to watch that space because markets are very excited about it.

    Stop telling me, to go an invest in it. Go short Tesla if you believe the technology will fail. Before you do that, just keep in mind there are graveyards filled with traders who’ve shorted Tesla from the get go.

    It’s again time to give yourself an upper cut.

  49. Top Ender

    Interesting…was in Bayeux a few years back…the tapestry is one piece of fabric scores of metres long…will be difficult to move it.

    I wonder if the French think it will show Frog superiority over the Brits. The modern British are descended from the Normans, who weren’t French, but who lived in Normandy – part of modern France – before they invaded Britain in 1066.

    Link

  50. testpattern

    ‘Garmin Connect crashed yesterday and is still out. I am unable to sync my Vivofit2’

    Same thing happened to the Gilt Dragon. Crew were exercising and bam.

  51. Top Ender

    Sorry – stuffed that up – should have been preceded with:

    The Bayeux Tapestry is set to come to Britain after Emmanuel Macron agreed to allow the artwork to leave France for the first time in 950 years.

    Preparations are under way to move the fabric – which depicts the conquest of England by Norman invaders – across the Channel in a bid to show the strength of the British-French relationship in the wake of the Brexit vote.

  52. calli

    But the big move is likely to be at least five years away.

    Heh. In other words not likely.

    It’s massive and fragile, not a tapestry but an embroidery. Some parts of it are degraded, especially where it may have been folded (typical of all textiles – don’t fold your precious items in the same place).

  53. Confused Old Misfit

    testpattern,

    Did they just disintegrate? No residual muons?

  54. Des Deskperson

    “Wouln’t Moose Knuckles be drawing a pension of some sort, for her time in N.S.W. State Parliament, and wouldn’t that disbar her from the Senate?

    Not a Commonwealth payment.”

    My understanding of s 44 is that Bambi couldn’t hold a State office and still be a Commonwealth MP – Sykes v Cleary – but she can have a State pension and still hold a Commonwealth Office.

    Not sure why.

  55. struth

    Bloody Bunnings.
    Go in there just for some paint , come out with power tools, (demel) poison, door handles, runners etc etc etc.

    I can’t control myself.
    I’m the Emelda Marcos of hardware.

  56. JC

    They should be all the same production line JC. Reprogrammable. Why do you think the car companies can spit out a zillion different versions of each marque?

    Sure, with different cost structures for the components.

    The cost difference is due to the complexity of the battery and the purity requirements and cost of the materials. Electrochemistry is finicky, combustion is much more forgiving.

    I’m sure that is the case, however lets agree on one simple point though. The potential to have the entire line going to ev would cause a massive drop in the cost of production. Yes or no?

    Battery production costs are coming down too Bruce.

    ——-

    One other thing… I think Jon suggested earlier that evs resemble solar power.

    This is a deeply, deeply ignorant comment. The production of energy from solar or windmills simply isn’t scalable. In fact there are diseconomies from these muppet forms of energy production. They are nowhere close to being comparable.

    If someone mentions the productions costs of solar plants and windmills is falling I will get very pissed off. Even if an alien space came to earth and produced windmills and solar panels for free it would still be and continue to be very expensive energy.

    If that was you Joh, it’s time for another uppercut.

  57. Egg;

    Additionally, Fields said the automaker will scuttle plans for a $1.6 billion factory in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Instead, it will invest $700 million to transform its Flat Rock, Mich., assembly plant into a factory that will build high-tech autonomous and electric vehicles, a move that will create 700 new jobs.

    “Our investments and expanding lineup reflect our view that global offerings of electrified vehicles will exceed gasoline-powered vehicles within the next 15 years,” Fields said.
    Fields said he was encouraged that President-elect Donald Trump and the new Congress have said they will pursue pro-growth economic and business policies.
    “We believe that these tax and regulatory reforms are critically important to boost U.S. competitiveness and of course drive a resurgence in American manufacturing and high-tech innovation,” Fields said

    HAha

  58. 132andBush

    Topender,
    What is the name of your latest book on the air war over northern Australia?

  59. Atoms for Peace

    Delta A. Nailed it. Modern Homo Insipidous is meant to live in 24 C .

  60. Confused Old Misfit

    struth
    #2612226, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:12 pm
    Bloody Bunnings.

    Thank God!!! See my Beloved Wife?

    I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE!

  61. notafan

    Top Ender by what measure aren’t Normans French?

    And why would you assume the French do not know their history?

    Viking invaders that took Frankish wives, some moved on and some stayed.

    Rather a common Viking thing to do.

    Like many others I am descendant via my Jersey ancestors from the Dukes of Normandy.

    I’m pretty sure after a thousand years most would regard them as part of the great tapestry of French culture.

  62. Mark from Melbourne

    Wouln’t Moose Knuckles be drawing a pension of some sort, for her time in N.S.W. State Parliament, and wouldn’t that disbar her from the Senate?

    Not a Commonwealth payment.

    A pension is not classified as an “office of profit”. The fact that the income derives from a state government doesn’t alter the fact that it is “under the Crown”, but that doesn’t matter in this case.

  63. Boambee John

    Now the Kitteh stalker splits hairs.

    Sad!

  64. Faceache

    Saint Anthony the Abbot was known for his modesty (budgie smugglers excepted) and humility. Also the patron Saint of pigs and swine herds.

  65. Atoms for Peace

    JC. Personally, I’d be leery of buying into tech that comes under the Kool Aid of Global Warming. Get the batteries and charging under control first IMO.

  66. Rae

    My understanding of s 44 is that Bambi couldn’t hold a State office and still be a Commonwealth MP – Sykes v Cleary – but she can have a State pension and still hold a Commonwealth Office.

    No longer in the NSW Parliament so the State Office question has no application.

    She is not old enough to draw a pension, but she has the same superannuation entitlements as any other former NSW parliamentarian.

    She gets none of the perks usually received by a former NSW Premier because Barry O’Farrell specifically knocked them back on the basis that she was not elected to the Premier’s Office.

  67. John Constantine

    Jerry Chung Shing Lee, an American CIA officer has been arrested for handing the names of Chinese that sold information to America over to the Chinese communist party.

    The decimation of the informant network sees America in the position of bleeding trillions of dollars a decade of research and development to the chicoms, but being blind in return.

    The ability to exploit the Chinese diaspora as required underpins the Chinese communist party economic strategy.

    Free research and development and no copyright and no intellectual property.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  68. notafan

    Spent yesterday wandering around the old port at Bari, saw mention of damage caused by this bombing so looked it up.

    Apparently Bari old town was a den of thieves until only twenty years ago when the city got around to putting a sewege system in and cleaning the crims out.

    I wonder where they went.

    world war two cover up at bari

  69. Rae

    Now the Kitteh stalker splits hairs.

    Sad!

    Sadder still, you do actually read my comments while saying that you don’t.

    Naughty of little digital native me for finding you out. You gonna kick me in the shins? With your tap shoes?

  70. cohenite

    Australia day: when the local stone age ferals got all the benefits of the greatest civilization humans have produced. Response (from some of them):

    Fellow WAR organiser Arika Waulu said the group made a conscious decision not to consult police or Melbourne City Council about the upcoming rally, which last year drew between 10,000 and 50,000 people, according to varying estimates, blocking traffic as protesters staged a sit-in.

    “As sovereign people we don’t seek authority to walk on our own land,” she said. “We want it (Australia Day) to be abolished until there’s something to celebrate. It’s never going to be OK to celebrate it on any other day.”

    So they’re insurrectionists. They should be locked up.

  71. JC

    Atoms

    That all depends on the price points and the market segment one is looking at. 10K on a 130K isn’t a big percent, which I guess is the reason tesla went 3/4’s up the segment ladder.

    Here’s the point for the doubters. I think there are some people at the Cat who still respect and believe in markets. I hope they are still around and the zombie wall has held up.

    Tesla’s market cap is telling us something and it would be foolhardy for anyone to ignore the signal. Is it wrong? Perhaps. But also maybe not.

  72. Delta A

    Bloody Bunnings.

    I can complete my Bunnings’ shopping in about five minutes. No impulse buys, because I ask the incredibly knowledgeable staff for directions.

    Best Man prides himself on never asking directions anywhere in any circumstances. Consequently, he finally arrives to meet me at the counter with an armful of stuff that wasn’t on the list.

    A sweet assistant who, having ascertained that I was still waiting for BM, said that many wives had requested a lost husbands’ department. I’ll go along with that.

  73. testpattern

    UPDATE ON EATEN FISH (ALI DORANI) NOW SAFELY IN NORWAY [Stavanger]

    ‘He reports that people have been unbelievably kind to him…’

    Not of course the late [email protected] who never gave a bugger for truly persecuted cartoonists.

    https://cartoonistsrights.org/update-on-eaten-fish-ali-dorani-now-safely-in-norway/

  74. Empire GTHO Phase III

    cohenite
    #2612213, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    Thanks.

    The PPQ is on my menu along with the G17 Gen5.

  75. areff

    Just abolish the whole thing and let the government get on with governing.

    Bear, in theory, yes. But consider the near future: Labor romps in the House and, without a Senate, bulldozes through whatever takes its sordid fancy.

    I’m quite happy to have a fractious, divided and renegade Senate if that is the closest we can come to Jefferson’s advice that governing least is governing best.

  76. Faceache

    Would you believe that the main Saint’s Feastday for today is Saint Anthony the Abbot. I wonder if Tony knows that.

  77. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It seems that building new hospitals in Australia is always a disaster.

    The site chosen for the new Sydney Northern Beaches Hospital, moved from Mona Vale to Forestville, is particularly senseless. A major Sydney hospital build, it is place right on Wahringah Road and the corner of the Wakehurst Parkway which feeds from Narrabeen into Wahringah Road. Wahringah Road is one of only two narrow roads (the other is the Spit/Mosman road) that service the whole of the Northern Beaches peninsula. There are no other roads from this peninsula into Sydney and they both regularly clog up completely. This major hospital has already required many millions of expensive access roads and pedestrian bridges to permit this building on Wahringah Road and traffic on the road gets yet more traffic lights to hold things up more as the major hospital swings shortly into operation.

    There were many other sites available that did not have this access problem.

    During a significant emergency in the area it is going to be hell on wheels – literally.

  78. Bloody Bunnings.
    Go in there just for some paint , come out with power tools, (demel) poison, door handles, runners etc etc etc.

    Tell me about it. Called in at the local Bunnings while out shopping this morning, to pick up two metres of flywire to repair a broken screen.

    Cost me $159.00. Can you believe it? $159.00!

    No, Mrs MV didn’t, either.
    She wants to know why I needed a table saw to fix a flyscreen.
    I did tell her it would look nice next to the drop saw that was on special last month.
    If they do a special on a band saw next month, I’ll probably end up divorced.

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    BoN; Would you mind having a look at this video,

    Winston, the first guy’s chemistry works but he’s not a process guy. The heat exchange steps would make the chemical engineering unworkable. For example you have a recirculating loop of 126 tonnes of iodine being heated and cooled for each single tonne of hydrogen produced. Not feasible. But why bother with such chemistry when you can just make electricity from the reactor like any nuke plant, then electrolyse water? Easy and cheap.

    The second guy has 25.7 kWh/m3 H2 on his first slide. That is 25.7 kWh/m3 producing 81.6 g of H2. Converting to methanol 100% efficiently that is 435 g of methanol, or 550 mL. So he needs 46.7 kWh per litre of methanol. At 7.5c/kWh* that would be $3.50/L just for the electricity…even before all the other operating and capital costs. Crazy. A hydrocarbon product would be worse, since they have higher energy content than methanol. The one I linked was $3/gal of methanol with a much simpler process.

    That calc took only a few minutes and shows just how economically silly the idea is. So why doesn’t anyone else do the calc like I just did?

    So in summary the ideas are fun, but totally infeasible. The amount of climate money these two guys must be getting though would be immense.

    * I’ve used the electricity price from the link I include for apples to apples comparison.

  80. testpattern

    ‘Did they just disintegrate? No residual muons?’

    Handheld Lancelin crays are being used to help locate the mh370

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There is also no rail, light rail or water-borne transport from this peninsula into Sydney either. These two roads are it, until you reach the road from Mona Vale to the Upper North Shore and the Central Coast, feeding up from Sydney at the top of the Pacific Highway at Gordon.

  82. areff

    Not of course the late [email protected] who never gave a bugger for truly persecuted cartoonists.

    Pond scum admonishes the tree that towers above it.

  83. JC

    Anyone see Drudge?

    I can’t paste it because it’s a pic.

    It says Newsweek just killed a story that Trump had sex with a 23 year old intern.

    Note, they pulled it because it’s obviously bullshit.

    Incredible stuff.

    So basically you can call Newsweek these days, tell them you’re a young gal who worked in the White House and had sex with Trump. There’s a chance the msm will run the story without even blinking an eye.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bloody Bunnings.
    Go in there just for some paint , come out with power tools, (demel) poison, door handles, runners etc etc etc.

    I let Da Hairy Ape go there for a proper man’s ‘shop’. I regard it as entertainment for him and the cost of stuff is just the admission price. It is the only place I know where men actually browse around and really shop, like women do, not just go in and out for something.

  85. Rae

    There were many other sites available that did not have this access problem.

    Where?

  86. testpattern

    ‘Pond scum’

    Benthic. Benthic scum condemns Faulty Towers.

  87. egg_

    Winston Smith
    #2612230, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    Marketing, Gummint money & jerbs! jerbs! jerbs!

  88. Top Ender

    132andBush, The Empire Strikes South.

    Avonmore Books.

  89. areff

    don’t believe you find much scum in the oxygen-poor waters at the very bottom, Trove Hound. Or is it a misspelled signature, Ben Thick?

  90. Atoms for Peace

    ‘re hospitals. My fave is when they get the OR pressures wrong. Or the door sizes wrong. One of those is very current btw.

  91. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    She wants to know why I needed a table saw to fix a flyscreen.
    I did tell her it would look nice next to the drop saw that was on special last month.
    If they do a special on a band saw next month, I’ll probably end up divorced.

    Curse you, Memory Vault, I’m in the middle of re equipping my workshop, and I hadn’t thought of a band saw..

  92. I can complete my Bunnings’ shopping in about five minutes.

    And how long to buy a new dress, Delta? Or shoes? Or a handbag?
    For men Bunnings is not just retail therapy. It’s revenge.

  93. Top Ender

    Notafan, my understanding is the Normans were Viking pirates and their descendants who settled in northern France.

  94. Confused Old Misfit

    Delta A
    #2612246, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    Just too *smug* 😉 I like Lizzie’s rational better!

  95. Baldrick

    Classic Grig O’Rae Revisited (Summer Edition) II

    Grigory M
    #2180739, posted on October 23, 2016 at 12:23 pm
    Seemed otherwise yesterday when some folks expressed strong interest in using a sock for strangulation – most inefficient. Grigory is keen to help those same folks to learn that, even with far more efficient methods, the victim can struggle violently resulting in unintended injuries to the other party. 😉

  96. littledozer

    $278 for power in SA

  97. Atoms for Peace

    JC. I look at ROI on EVs. Not fantastic. Also CO 2 manufacturing hogs. I reckon the breakthroughs will come from some process that turns CO2 into fuel.
    As for loading up our grid with EVs..shudder.

  98. Fat Tony

    Top Ender
    #2612271, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:48 pm
    Notafan, my understanding is the Normans were Viking pirates and their descendants who settled in northern France.

    If I remember correctly, back in school (early 1960s), we were told the Normans were “North men” – the Vikings.

  99. I’m in the middle of re equipping my workshop, and I hadn’t thought of a band saw..

    Don’t forget the router table . . .

  100. Leigh Lowe

    I can complete my Bunnings’ shopping in about five minutes

    Fake news.
    Not possible.

  101. BoN;

    So in summary the ideas are fun, but totally infeasible. The amount of climate money these two guys must be getting though would be immense.

    Thanks heaps for the deconstruction.
    I thought there was something odd about the power requirements.
    Appreciated.

  102. Confused Old Misfit

    testpattern
    #2612254, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:35 pm
    ‘Did they just disintegrate? No residual muons?’

    Handheld Lancelin crays are being used to help locate the mh370

    Seriously? They can detect residual muons? Who knew!

  103. Delta A

    And how long to buy a new dress, Delta?

    I take your point, Vault, as it is relevant re; most women.

    I hate shopping!

    I will look at two items and, if I’m not rapt, that’s it for the shopping for another month. Shoes, dresses, jewelry, handbags: I have zero interest in any of these, unless they are absolutely stunning.

    Come to think of it, I prefer shopping at Bunnings.

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Preparations are under way to move the fabric – which depicts the conquest of England by Norman invaders – across the Channel in a bid to show the strength of the British-French relationship in the wake of the Brexit vote.

    I’m not sure that the Bayeux tapestry (la tapisserie) will do much to progress that hope. There’s still a lot of Saxon feeling in Britain, no matter how confused the genetics of Saxonhood have proven to be. And then there are the feelings of the Welsh and the Scots.

    I think Calli they could probably move it as it is in situ, attached in a continuous stream you walk around, within glass cases. Might take up more space but there would be no folding needed then. I loved seeing it, thinking of all the women sitting there doing their stitching, comparing the parts of it. Yes, look, you’ve really done that arrow very well into his eye, so realistic, you’ll be able to tell your grandkids about that.

    I purchased a reproduction of it there to wind around some small room, but the new marble bathrooms don’t seem quite the right place, and this study is too big for it. Even the repro is beginning to fray on the fold marks, so you are right with your advice there.

  105. Leigh Lowe

    Bloody Bunnings.
    Go in there just for some paint , come out with power tools, (demel) poison, door handles, runners etc etc etc.

    Over Christmas I bought a Fiskars weeder.
    I live in an apartment.
    But it is a very nice tool … with a satisfying click-clack action.

  106. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If I remember correctly, back in school (early 1960s), we were told the Normans were “North men” – the Vikings.

    Told at school, at about the same time, that “North Men” became “Normans” because the locals couldn’t pronounce the “th.”

  107. JC

    JC. I look at ROI on EVs. Not fantastic. Also CO 2 manufacturing hogs. I reckon the breakthroughs will come from some process that turns CO2 into fuel.
    As for loading up our grid with EVs..shudder.

    Look Atoms, the huge bet going on in the mv space is the cost structure. If they can get the cost structure down, its a huge payout. Combine that with driverless and the bets even become interesting for tech firms like Apple etc. I reckon that if this becomes reality we will end up with perhaps half a dozen carmakers in the world.

    The scaling potential arising from electric motors .. because of the simplicity aspect.. is yuge.

    I reckon Apple buys BMW. There have been continual rumours on this.

  108. Top Ender

    Many years back I interviewed John Winton while in the UK, author of We Joined the Navy, The Fighting Temeraire, A Drowning War and many other fine books. He was a retired Royal Navy officer.

    One of his passing remarks was that “the French were invented for the British to hate” and vice-versa. I remember being a bit stunned by that. Given WWI and WWII I thought they’d be a bit more pally. However visits to France and Britain seem to have confirmed it, at least given a non-scientific sampling.

    The French seem to not mind Aussies, however.

  109. stackja

    BOM surf hazardous. Expect NESB and tourists vying for Darwin awards?

  110. testpattern

    ‘don’t believe you find much scum’

    I say I say I say Capt Windschuttle!

    What do you say Capt Franklin?

    Someone stole my scumbag!

    Stole your scumbag? Probably those bottom feeders at quadrant BOOM BOOM!

  111. stackja

    TE French remember AIF.

  112. Stackja:

    TE French remember AIF.

    The French women, fondly.
    The French men, not so much.

  113. Top Ender

    Too true Stackja, especially at places like Villers-Bretonneux…

    Lieutenant Albert Borella, of the NT, won his VC there just down the road, with his platoon storming and taking and holding a German MG position.

  114. areff

    Yep, pretty much confirms the Thick part.

  115. stackja

    WS Bean reported politeness.

  116. Just walked past the TV on the way to the beer fridge – camera view of a bloke touching up a couple of girls going into their apartment.
    Both times the channel had pixelated out the perps face.
    “If you can help identify this person, please contact crimestoppers.”
    They’re not trying very hard are they?

  117. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Stamford Bridge saw the end of the Viking’s various invasions and rules in Britain’s north. Having made a forced march up, Harald Godwinson, the Saxon, who won this fierce battle, then turned around to force march back south (all on old Roman roads) to meet up with another strand of the Viking diaspora. He met William the Bastard, another ‘Norseman’, the great-great-grandson of the Viking leader Hrolf. William won and changed England. Intermarriages between nobilities in Scandinavia, especially Norway, and between Normandy and Britain, had created a tangled web of succession. The Scandi way was not to take a simple primogeniture, but to assess who was most suitable, often by battle.

    Jonathan Clements, ‘The Vikings: the last pagans or the first modern Europeans”, London 2005, is an interesting take on the interconnections in early modern Viking Europe, including Britain and quite a lot of France. To see these areas in anything like their contemporary borders and cultures is a mistake.

  118. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m sure that is the case, however lets agree on one simple point though. The potential to have the entire line going to ev would cause a massive drop in the cost of production. Yes or no?

    No. Most of the savings are already there because the robots are all there, the design is modular and self attaching – same as seats and dashboard assemblies and etc. You just click it all together.

    The Bolt chassis is different from the Cruze chassis because it comes from a different design, but the savings on using the same wheelbase wouldn’t be much.

    You can’t escape the issue: the battery is enormous, extremely complex, uses all sorts of exotic stuff and is very very expensive. That is the essential difference between a Bolt and a Cruze. The only way you are going to sell millions of mass market EVs is if you ban ICE outright. Totalitarian countries love doing such things.

    Which is the problem for Daimler. If you have been keeping an eye on the news you’ll see that Germany is seriously thinking of legislating a ban on ICEs. What do Daimler make…?

    The hit to their business would be epic, either in loss of market or capital and operating costs to change everything. Someone has to produce the batteries for example – which won’t be the subsidiary or the part manufacture who makes the ICE. Making millions a year from a standing start would be a production nightmare – like Tesla has been having.

    All for a problem which doesn’t exist. And as soon as sense breaks out in Europe the EV problem goes away.

  119. Tel

    I reckon the breakthroughs will come from some process that turns CO2 into fuel.

    A tree?

    We already have those.

  120. stackja

    Suggestions frame rate major difference with screen pattern.

  121. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Surf coming in from the heads has been rough for two days although the general weather has been fairly calm. We get a good view of the crashing waves really high against the cliffs opposite from our place. Manly ferry pitching up and down a lot.

  122. notafan

    Top Ender

    As I already mentioned in my comment.

    Those Vikings took Frankish ie local wives, adopted the local religion and mostly stayed.

    The Franks were in their turn were not French but Germanic people.

    Just ask Asterix.

    By any measure after 1000 years modern French people are perfectly right to regard them as their ancestors ie French.

    The only people that wouldn’t would be the sort that grumble about invasion day.

  123. JC

    Bruce,

    No mention of those savings from motors vs petrol engines?

  124. Siltstone

    Gotta love the Cat! Tel is a winner.
    Tel
    #2612308, posted on January 17, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    I reckon the breakthroughs will come from some process that turns CO2 into fuel.

    A tree?
    We already have those.

  125. jupes

    TE French remember AIF.

    Wonder if they remember the 2nd AIF kicking their useless cheese-eating surrender monkey arses in Syria and Lebanon a couple of decades later.

  126. miltonf

    Mazda has the right idea- very high compression petrol engines. Use the high energy density of petrol to the max.

  127. one old bruce

    “The French seem to not mind Aussies, however.”
    Mansplaining to a French woman while travelling in Asia ten years ago, she called me ‘Anglo-Saxon barbarian’ in French, I think.

    Then I turned on the charm and praised her cleverness in the things I wasn’t finding fault with, and she seemed to become attracted to me, all demure smiles and side glances, but I left it at that, on a high.

    As a Spaniard told me once, ‘These Latins are all Alka-Seltzer, fizz fizz fizz then calm’. (Germans regard French as hot blooded Latins).

  128. egg_

    Suggestions frame rate major difference with screen pattern.

    Slow scan – like CCTV, I reckon.

  129. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “North Men” became “Normans” because the locals couldn’t pronounce the “th.”

    Probably true. The pronunciation, or lack of it, of the ‘th’ is pretty important when it comes to King Arthur as well. Scandi’s pronounced it well. The Franks did not. The Fins do not and some of the Irish do not. The cockneys often elide it into a ‘v’. The French and Irish now use a ‘t’ and the Italians a ‘zea’. Examining ancient pronunciations can be very instructive as to how names for things and people can change. Linguists often forget about dialect.

  130. egg_

    Mazda has the right idea- very high compression petrol engines. Use the high energy density of petrol to the max.

    Mercedes seem to be doing the same with their 6-cylinder petrol engines.

  131. JC

    Bruce

    I think you’re earlier mv comparison was wrong and the cause is market segmentation.

    You showed a chevy ev costing approx 38K and the petrol version 17K

    Here are two BMW which belong to the same category. One is an EV and the other petrol hybrid. They are both quoted at very similar price.
    see here:

  132. calli

    Linguists often forget about dialect.

    I thought the study of dialect was part of the discipline. I only studied linguistics for a year though. Had a lot of fun with English as she is Spoke by the Americans. 😀

  133. one old bruce

    Around the same time, a middle aged French man told me how much he enjoyed the movie ‘Australia’ (so maybe not quite ten years ago). ‘Nicole Kidman, such a beautiful women’, spoken in Pepe Le-Peu accent.

  134. calli

    And tonight’s visual bridgey feast on SBS…drumroll…the Brooklyn Bridge.

    Mrs Roebeling, come on down!

  135. I’ve just tried to download Corey Bernardi Top 100 list.

    So if you like Australian music and want to celebrate Australia Day with some great home-grown tracks, the team at Australian Conservatives have put together the AC100 playlist on Spotify.

    I’ve done the Spotify thing, but even though you can download each song, they don’t appear in my Media Player.
    Any hints?
    Listening to “My Boomerang Won’t Come Back.”

  136. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – And no you can’t say that battery costs will come down much. A number of $100/kWh is bandied around but that would give you US$10,000 for a 100 kWh battery. A Cruze cost US$16,975 so that mythical battery is still 60% of the cost of the competition.

    The problem with batteries is they are size limited. You can’t scale up the cells for chemical reasons. So you have to get a bigger battery by having more cells. So the cost saving in scaling up is nearly zero because a ten times bigger battery needs ten times the number of cells, so it costs nearly the same as ten smaller batteries. That is the y=x^0.85 equation I mentioned. We use it all the time, for example in copper electrowinning where the cells likewise are limited in physical size due to chemistry.

    Then as the production of batteries expands the materials that make them up run out. It takes about ten years to get a mine from bare dirt to product out the gate. Twenty years in some cases. Scaling production of cobalt, lithium, graphite and neodymium (for the motors) means a lag in supply. Booming prices. If you have been following the ASX announcements you will know there’s a cobalt and a lithium boom on because the prices have skyrocketed. That is going to soak up any scale savings on batteries for decades.

    Then on top of everything batteries last about 8 years and have to be replaced. A Cruze lasts over two decades. Resale values are going to be reflective, which is another reason why EVs suck.

    The whole thing is just insane.

  137. Confused Old Misfit

    Jordan Peterson destroys a plumby pommy interviewer in under 30 seconds.
    https://twitter.com/Some_BlackGuy/status/953523706373931009

  138. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There were many other sites available that did not have this access problem.
    Where?

    A couple of other school sites in the Forestville area were being considered plus I was told of others now having retirement complexes on them; the area served is widespread, Forestville is hardly ‘the northern beaches’ where the original hospital was sited, and throughout the region at the time of choice some years back there was a lot of development land now used for housing. Purchasing available off-main-road sites even if more expensive would have been cheaper in the long run. The existing Mona Vale hospital site, with amazing ocean views, would have been well placed too for new infrastructure, in the eyes of many locals who fought for it not to swell the coffers of government via sale of this large prime luxury site.

  139. One Old Bruce;

    Around the same time, a middle aged French man told me how much he enjoyed the movie ‘Australia’ (so maybe not quite ten years ago). ‘Nicole Kidman, such a beautiful women’, spoken in Pepe Le-Peu accent.

    Did you kick his seeing eye dog?

  140. Neil

    Exactly what was in the original NBN business plan, right at the very start. WTF did you expect??

    One solution to current NBN problems is to admit defeat. Labor put the NBN off-budget because it was going to be sold and was going to make a profit. Aint guuna happen. We could put in into the budget like health, roads and add the NBN debt to the national debt. Apparently what is slowing speeds at the moment is high CVC fees charged to recover costs and to make a profit. Telcos therefore do not purchase enough bandwidth slowing speeds and leading to congestion at peak hours.

    CVC fees could be greatly reduced if the cost of building the NBN was added to the govt debt leading to faster speeds

  141. Geriatric Mayfly

    Speaking of the French, apparently the Calais “Jungle Camp” is back.

    They have been away for quite a while. Presumably wearing their legs to stumps, going from door to door looking for work.

  142. Tim Neilson

    Re EV’s.

    They aren’t investing in transport. They’re investing in enforced regulatory preferences and lavish taxpayer funded subsidies. Physics doesn’t matter. Chemistry doesn’t matter. Reality doesn’t matter.

    There is actually a rather large precedent for this going on as we speak.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I thought the study of dialect was part of the discipline.

    It is supposed to be but I have found it is often ignored, especially when creating language ‘trees’. A language is rather like ‘race’, it consists of a series of overlapping close sounds to which are attributed the same or similar meanings, with no firm boundaries, just as a ‘racial group’ consists of overlapping gene pools. But that is far too messy a conceptualizing for some of the linguists I have consulted, who make firm accentless boundaries. I’ve only done a semester of linguistics too, Calli. but I am fascinated by Stephen Oppenheimer’s thesis that there are almost no Brythonnic (Celtic) words in English because a proto-English had been long spoken in Britain even prior to the Roman invasion. The new work on the ‘Saxon shore’ (that it was actually a shore composed of Germanic language speakers) and the non-invasion of Saxons in the fifth century (very little evidence of such an ‘invasion’ exists in archaeology), supported by much genetic delving, is very relevant to this linguistic claim. Oppenheimer has been given hell by some very snooty linguistics though. You wouldn’t believe how some of them have closed ranks and fought back dirty. Academia! Glad I am out of it.

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Did you kick his seeing eye dog?

    LOL. JC commented at the end of the old thread about how strained, thin and rather ugly Kidman had become. Encountering opposition about his facechooking, he said was done as a social and intellectual service to Cats. lol there too.

  145. egg_

    Resale values are going to be reflective, which is another reason why EVs suck.

    Saw a P-plater getting about in an old Prius today in Sydney’s West – probably because they’re cheep! cheep!

  146. Tim Neilson

    Sorry areff, I’m going to have to back testpattern’s undoubtedly encyclopaedic knowledge of how Bill Leak spent 24 hours a day 7 days a week 52 weeks a year 10 years a decade for his whole life.

    I mean testpattern wouldn’t be so gutless and stupid as to take a cheap shot (under a pseudonym into the bargain) at a dead man unless he was absolutely 100% sure that he knew every relevant fact, would he?

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve gotta go to dinner. No, Joh, I am not cooking while sick. Someone else is.

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    BoN,

    I appreciate your commentary. It’s most instructive and in a field I know little or nothing about, I’m afraid.

    Learning about stuff. And things.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    Just walked past the TV on the way to the beer fridge – camera view of a bloke touching up a couple of girls going into their apartment.
    Both times the channel had pixelated out the perps 

    Girls you say?
    That clears most male ABC employees.

  150. Myrddin Seren

    Ahahahaha

    Cory Bernardi trolls JJJ.

    Listen to the Australian Conservatives’ official Australia Day playlist, the #AC100 by clicking the image above, or clicking here.

    As taxpayer-funded Triple J and their ‘Hottest 100’ abandon our national day for political correctness, we’re inviting you to cast your vote by telling us your favourite 3 tracks from our #AC100 playlist:

  151. Lizzie;

    LOL. JC commented at the end of the old thread about how strained, thin and rather ugly Kidman had become.

    Yes. That was what I referred to…

  152. H B Bear

    Around the same time, a middle aged French man told me how much he enjoyed the movie ‘Australia’ (so maybe not quite ten years ago). ‘Nicole Kidman, such a beautiful women’, spoken in Pepe Le-Peu accent.

    Bwahahahaa finally someone found someone who liked Luhrmann’s overblown stinking turkey. Well done, that is quite an achievement.

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here are two BMW which belong to the same category. One is an EV and the other petrol hybrid. They are both quoted at very similar price.

    Um JC look at the prices. $70 k for a small car! Compared to about $22 k for a Toyota or etc.

    Furthermore you aren’t doing the same comparison. You are comparing a full EV with a hybrid. A hybrid still has a large battery.

    Having said that as far as I can tell a BMW M135i is actually a straight petrol car, not a hybrid. At $70 k for a small mass market petrol car that is insane. Why would a checkout chick spend $70 k on a BMW by comparison with $22 k for a Mazda? We are talking mass market not premium. Fuel savings are meaningless when you are talking a nearly $50 k price difference. You couldn’t drive them far enough for the difference to be bridged in fuel cost savings.

    I’ve said many times that I see the likes of Tesla in the Porsche space. Premium cars. You cannot manufacture an EV which can compete in mass market space, which is where all the volume is.

  154. H B Bear

    French affection for foreigners only manifests itself when German troops and tanks are rolling down the streets of Paris.

  155. Confused Old Misfit
    #2612332, posted on January 17, 2018 at 7:41 pm

    Jordan Peterson destroys a plumby pommy interviewer in under 30 seconds.
    https://twitter.com/Some_BlackGuy/status/953523706373931009

    He shut her down brilliantly with his questions on free speech.

    Well done COM

  156. Leigh Lowe

    Tim at 19:54.
    In case anyone was seeking guidance …
    Bill Leak was a courageous rolled-gold wit.
    Testes visits lady-boy bars in Bangkok when seeking respite from his gin-jockey duties in PH.

  157. H B Bear

    Petersen should know it is perfectly acceptable to vilify old white males and smokers.

  158. Zatara

    It says Newsweek just killed a story that Trump had sex with a 23 year old intern.

    Not Trump. Drudge was commemorating the 20th anniversary of Billie Clinton and his cigar holder.

    Web Posted: 01/17/98 23:32:47 PST — NEWSWEEK KILLS STORY ON WHITE HOUSE INTERN

    BLOCKBUSTER REPORT: 23-YEAR OLD, FORMER WHITE HOUSE INTERN, SEX RELATIONSHIP WITH PRESIDENT

    **World Exclusive**
    **Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**

    At the last minute, at 6 p.m. on Saturday evening, NEWSWEEK magazine killed a story that was destined to shake official Washington to its foundation: A White House intern carried on a sexual affair with the President of the United States!

    The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that reporter Michael Isikoff developed the story of his career, only to have it spiked by top NEWSWEEK suits hours before publication. A young woman, 23, sexually involved with the love of her life, the President of the United States, since she was a 21-year-old intern at the White House. She was a frequent visitor to a small study just off the Oval Office where she claims to have indulged the president’s sexual preference. Reports of the relationship spread in White House quarters and she was moved to a job at the Pentagon, where she worked until last month.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    Um JC look at the prices. $70 k for a small car! Compared to about $22 k for a Toyota or etc.

    Bruce… really?
    Would one want to be caught dead in a Toyota?

  160. old bloke

    Top Ender
    #2612271, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    Notafan, my understanding is the Normans were Viking pirates and their descendants who settled in northern France.

    The Normans (North mens) were from Norway, they were pushed out due to the population explosion in Norway around 600 to 800 AD. They settled on the French Atlantic coast (and the Shetland Islands) alongside another group of refugees, the Britons who settled in Brittany.

    During the “age of the migrations”, the Geats (Goths) conquered Sweden and forced the earlier inhabitants westward into Norway. Around that time, the last of the”caucasians” arrived in Norway from Armenia, these were known as the White Huns or the Naphtalite Huns, and Norway could no longer support its growing population.

    The Northmen (Normans) were the first to depart and they settled on the French Atlantic coast. They were different to the other Norwegian Vikings who settled in the Pharoe and Orkney Islands, Iceland, Scottish Hebrides, Isle of Man, Anglesey and south-east Ireland.

    The Normans are a part of the Tribe of Benjamin. About half of Benjamin, together with most of the tribes of [email protected] and Levi, comprise the bulk of the [email protected] today, though half of Benjamin went into the Assyrian exile and they are now located with the other ten tribes in western Europe and in the New World. These were the Normans, and the Celtic Belgae tribes in England and Belgium.

    The Normans always sailed under a wolf flag, the tribal symbol of Benjamin. I suspect also that a segment of the Normans who remained in Norway were the Berserkers, given their penchant for wolf skin clothes and trance like savagery.

  161. Makka

    French affection for foreigners only manifests itself when German troops and tanks are rolling down the streets of Paris.

    France is not Paris and Paris is not France. Regional and peasant French tend to loathe Parisians. For good reason too.

  162. notafan

    Exactly Bear

    Heard quite a few French enjoyed partying with the Germans.

    All the same

    Just finished reading Basil Embry’s account of escaping France in 1940, quite a few complete strangers risked their lives to help him.

  163. notafan

    Just like people from Iowa loath New York and California.

  164. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce… really?
    Would one want to be caught dead in a Toyota?

    Leigh – I live in a suburb full of Mazdas and Toyotas and Cruzes. It’s the sort of suburb ordinary people live in because the rent is cheap. Just check out the photos in my gravatar account. I live here because I like it.

    Now consider the average wage of a Chinese or Mexican worker. What sort of car are they going to buy?

    (I think Toyotas suck myself because I had two of them and they were both lemons.)

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just finished reading Basil Embry’s account of escaping France in 1940, quite a few complete strangers risked their lives to help him.

    Don’t have a reference, but I’ve seen the statistic that every successful escape from France during the Second Wold War cost the lives of at least one Frenchman, as the Germans took reprisals.

  166. Tel

    CVC fees could be greatly reduced if the cost of building the NBN was added to the govt debt leading to faster speeds

    First let every single NBN advocate kneel down and beg for forgiveness. Until then… no deal, suck on your CVC charges because that’s what you wanted, that was in the plan. No last minute bailouts, buddy.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    Ha,ha.
    I get your point Bruce.
    It is interesting to look at almost identical vehicles… and I mean identical as in the same drive-train and suspension … with slightly different interiors and the badge premium is $20k.

  168. Leo G

    “North Men” became “Normans” because the locals couldn’t pronounce the “th.”

    The Old French word for the Scandinavian “northerners” was Normand (plural Normanz). Some of these people (Rollo’s Vikings) “colonised” a part of West Frankia and later became vassals of the king of the West Franks. The Franks spoke Old French, a vulgar form of Roman. The Normans adopted that language as Norman French, which became the official language of England after 1066.

  169. Joe

    As the resident “bully” of the thread today;

    JC you can argue with figures and concepts until you are blue in the face and BON and his ilk will find some new metric to prove that EV’s are just insane.

    At some point you either believe or you don’t. Accounting happens after that.
    BON does not believe and nothing including a successful EV car industry will convince him otherwise.

    Throughout history mankind has made markets for new products and enhanced them to make them cheap enough for common consumption. That is the miracle of the market and capitalist systems.

  170. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Anyone in the market for a heavily discounted opulent estate? Kristy Hinze’s sugar daddy has slashed the price of his Florida pad by $42M. Get yourself a bargain for just $95M.

    https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/86003-billionaire-james-clark-relists-florida-home-for-95m?link=TD_nypost_articles.7c7e0f416376f79f&utm_campaign=circular&utm_medium=MANSIONGLOBAL&utm_source=nypost_articles.7c7e0f416376f79f

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just finished reading Basil Embry’s account of escaping France in 1940, quite a few complete strangers risked their lives to help him.

    Basil Embry migrated to Western Australia in 1956, to begin a new life as a sheep farmer. He was a mover and shaker in the old Farmers Union of Western Australia – I saw him in action a couple of times. He died in 1977.

  172. John Constantine

    JC is excited about electric cars because he is the key demographic for them. An electric car will do all he wants, while providing an excuse to only ever leave the inner city by plane.

    I got near a hundred diesel,petrol,pneumatic,hydraulic, mains electric and battery electric driven motors.

    Happy to buy battery electric stuff where it suits, but there is no advantage in doing so yet.

    The new lithium battery shearing hand pieces look good to have in the ute to clean fly struck sheep up, five hundy odd for something to use occasionally is about where batteries are at.

    The ‘skins’ system where you buy a decent battery and then tools to plug into it will need to become better supplied and serviced.

    Running around making sure everything is driven back home to the power point at night will hit efficiency.

    No camping up the river with an electric car, no out backing, no caravanning, stay at a mates place and who uses the charging point?.

    Only one demographic really has the lifestyle that fits electric and good for those it does, otherwise it is just a little second car for running short trips.

    Still like the battery angle grinders and rattle guns, want a shearing handpiece and electric bike.

  173. Delta A

    Oh, dear. I’m in moderation for using the common term for bling.

    Shall try again in reply to Vault’s Bunnings’ challenge at 6.47 pm.

    And how long to buy a new dress, Delta?

    I take your point, Vault, as it is relevant to many women. But not to me.

    I hate shopping!

    I will look at two items and, if I’m not rapt, that’s it for the shopping for another month. Shoes, dresses, je**lry, handbags: I have zero interest in any of these, unless they are absolutely stunning.

    Come to think of it, I prefer shopping at Bunnings.

  174. I would recommend other than the Beretta which I think is top of the pile, the Walther PPQ

    Cohenite. James Cohenite.

  175. JC

    Bruce

    Here’s another issue. You presented two chevys that I know nothing about. Are both cars in the same category? How about options? If the cost of the battery is 10K, then the differential is much higher than the battery cost? Do options make the difference?
    I know a little about BMWs but not so much the smaller models. However, what I do know is that the options would be similar in both cars. And unless I’m mistaken all the smaller BMW are now hybrid, which they call IDrive.

    Here are few issues we need to resolve.

    1. What is the production cost differential between an electric motor and a petrol one.
    2. The link I showed earlier suggested there is a $US1,400 saving annually for e-petrol and “regular” regular petrol. That’s $14K over 10 years.
    3. Engine maintenance. Again, that link suggests considerable savings.

  176. Arky

    Tel
    #2612308, posted on January 17, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    I reckon the breakthroughs will come from some process that turns CO2 into fuel.

    A tree?

    We already have those.

    ..
    lol.

  177. JC

    JC is excited about electric cars because he is the key demographic for them. An electric car will do all he wants, while providing an excuse to only ever leave the inner city by plane.

    Fakenews John C. I love the bush. In the old days I would have been a fabulous explorer… one of the great ones. 🙂
    Don’t forget I was a cattleman for about 2.5 years. LOl

  178. Bruce of Newcastle

    BON does not believe and nothing including a successful EV car industry will convince him otherwise.

    Joe – I work off fundamental physics, chemistry, thermodynamics, materials, price-demand equations, Perry and financial spreadsheets. Do you believe in chemistry? Materials science?

    When the first cars were invented there were ICE, electric and steam technologies in competition. ICE won the competition. If there’d been a price or performance benefit for EVs someone somewhere would have manufactured them. (And indeed someone did. We call them “golf carts”.)

    This argument is like arguing between steam cars and ICE cars. No one says ‘let’s build a steam car!’ That is because ICE has the advantage. You cannot build a steam car which can outsell a petrol one in the mass market. But if a government says lets force everyone to only buy steam cars then you’d have Teslas and Fiskers coming out of the woodwork selling steam cars with all the trimmings. We are in such a place now: it is pure market distortion which will collapse as soon as the underlying climate edifice collapses.

  179. Top Ender

    Interesting Notafan.

    I was under the impression there was a sort of diaspora of the Normans across to England after 1066.

    The raiding wars such as those which resulted in battles such as Crecy, Poitiers and Agincourt were in part assertions by the Kings of England that they were in fact rampaging across territory which was still theirs. I imagine there were still Normans there which would support your words.

    Have you been back to check family roots etc?

  180. Joe

    Joe – I work off fundamental physics, chemistry, thermodynamics, materials, price-demand equations, Perry and financial spreadsheets. Do you believe in chemistry? Materials science?

    Yes. However it’s a moving target – which you do not seem to accept. What is impossible for you now is impossible for you forever. That is a belief. I believe that the system that provided a car for whoever wants one and can afford it will find a way to do the same for EVs. That’s the market. I mean who would pay $800 for a mobile phone – yet Apple is the most profitable phone business on the planet. You forget that the market is also about aspiration and cost/benefit be damned.

  181. cohenite

    All for a problem which doesn’t exist. And as soon as sense breaks out in Europe the EV problem goes away.

    Correct; alarmism, an ideological, essentially misanthropic construct is the impetus. Betz Law, Shockley–Queisser limit, energy losses from the hydrogen phases (plus high emissions) and the plain lack of energy density compared to nuclear, all rational objections to electric cars etc.

    If alarmism hadn’t come along we would have had 4th gen nuclear everywhere, thorium and high temp coal, both with no emissions to speak of plus made further advances with fusion.

    And what is wrong with a rotary engine.

  182. Atoms for Peace

    JC. If someone comes up with scaleable systems that turn cellulose into sugars ( similar to what termites achieve), that will be yuge. Feed in woodchips, grass clippings etc and have feedstock for due.

  183. Arky

    No one says ‘let’s build a steam car!’

    ..
    Let’s build a steam car.

  184. Motelier

    And what is wrong with a rotary engine.

    Uhhhhhmmmmmm, pretty tough for them to meet ever more stringent emissions regs.

  185. JC

    Joe

    What metrics are you using that suggest I’m wrong and wrong about what exactly? If you’re going to act as the site’s arbiter on who is or isn’t a bully then at least wear the clown uniform so we can tell from a distance.

    Lets summarize.

    Bruce has made several assertions that haven’t been cleared up yet. It’s a blog and open discussion is good and even if I’m wrong at least we learn something.

    By all means participate and help this interesting discussion along. Lets see what you bring to the table. If all you’re doing is passing judgment without an ounce of facts, then piss off and stop wasting pixels, you clown. For too long this blog has been wasted by dimb bulb depressives. If that’s what you’re looking for then we’re happy to see you at the hotline.

    Lastly, I’m not a scientist, but I do understand a little about markets. Bruce has made what appear to be some pretty decent claims – although the ones I pointed out still have to be cleared up. Here’s where the tire meets the road… pun intended.

    The market is pricing a loss making Tesla at ~75% of Daimler ,which is a quality stock and top global firm in all sorts of metrics. The market is a voting mechanism, which means there are an enormous number of people voting for Tesla – a one product category producer. Why? Why are they wrong and Bruce right about the future?

  186. John Constantine;

    Still like the battery angle grinders and rattle guns, want a shearing handpiece and electric bike.

    Made the decision to buy only mains powered stuff a few years ago. The making sure stuff was plugged in was a nightmare. My house block is 2000m2, and an extension cord will reach just about anywhere.
    Utterly fed up with petrol chainsaws, etc.
    Only thing now is the car and mower.

  187. Arky

    Why? Why are they wrong and Bruce right about the future?

    ..
    Because Bruce believes the global warming scam must eventually end. And “they” don’t.
    And because that is a sociological or political gamble not a physics or economics driven one, anyone coukd be right.

  188. egg_

    Per nerlnob in the last OT, even Scandinavians keep an ICE car for long haul drives – North America and Aus are unlikely to mandate EVs due to our size.

  189. JC

    Um JC look at the prices. $70 k for a small car! Compared to about $22 k for a Toyota or etc.

    Bruce, you shouldn’t bring this up frequently to somehow suggest it somehow the points you make because it simply doesn’t. These are very different market segments.

    Take your argument further… if we apply your logic, only small compacts costing no more than 22K could be sold. No one would want Ferraris, Bentleys, Rolls, Mercs etc.

  190. chrisl

    Well said John Constantine All motors are useful but the power source is variable depending on it’s place.
    Battery powered tools have taken over the building industry but it has nothing to do with price. They are much more expensive but much more convenient. Electric cars however are MORE expensive but LESS convenient.

  191. Motelier

    Utterly fed up with petrol chainsaws, etc.

    Here is a hint. Make the air fuel ratio a bit richer. These things run lean and hence very hot.

  192. zyconoclast

    Trey Gowdy
    Trey Gowdy
    @TGowdySC
    ·
    Jan 13
    For over 100 years Americans have said, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free… send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me”.

    Gowdy is an open borders freak.

    Trey Gowdy addresses illegal immigration

    According to TG, he supports a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million illegals as long as they have not committed a crime (being illegal is not a crime?)
    All you have to do is promise to assimilate.

  193. John Constantine

    Red meat super cycle.

    The Trumpnado has restored a little of what was stolen from the blue collar American working man.

    Get a bit of cash and confidence and these blokes stop eating deep fried diabetes and eat Steak instead.

    Lot of cattle going onto feed in the States, responding to workingman meat hunger and record world grain stocks.

    Currently the market dropping prices in response, but the glimmer of gold beckons for the red meat complex.

    I have forward sold at six bucks sixty dressed for February lamb, the market this week pushed a bit under.

    If the Trumpnado gets the barbecues of the flyover states sizzling again though, away we go.

  194. John Constantine

    The workshop has an entire bench, just for chargers for batteries. Got a plug on the back of the back of the ute for the cooler fridge, but chopping it up to charge batteries is a hassle.

    Good people, imagine having the mobile phone charging hassles only for a dozen or more things every day.

    Putting fuel in the tank is a labour saving device.

  195. That lamb ad is the most puerile bit of bullshit and virtue signalling I’ve ever seen.
    What the hell does a remake of some old show have to do with lamb, FFS?
    Lamb is off the list for the next month.
    Bloody demented artsy fartsy wankers.

  196. candy

    Putting fuel in the tank is a labour saving device.

    A refreshing change from charging devices and so much time charging and remembering to charge. We live our lives around plugging stuff in to charge!

  197. cynical1

    Peak Oil, Johanna. You forgot Peak Oil.

    What about peak horse shit?

  198. John Constantine – keep those market updates coming. Gives a city slicker like me a better understanding of my country.

  199. …and why the hell does a couple of poofters have to be in it?
    What the hell is the intersection in Venn diagrams that have poofters and lamb?
    Forget I asked that question.

  200. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here’s another issue. You presented two chevys that I know nothing about. Are both cars in the same category? How about options? If the cost of the battery is 10K, then the differential is much higher than the battery cost? Do options make the difference?

    JC – I gave you links to the Chevy official pages for both so you could check them out. I also looked at the wikis to see their respective designs, which is why I say they had different chassis. I’d have to go look them up again to say why. But the dimensions are very similar. I chose the basic model in both. I made sure that I had four or five door comparisons. As for the options you can go check them out yourself.

    Chevy Bolt battery costs US$15,734.29. Ok that is the replacement cost, not the manufacturing cost, but it gives you an idea.

    1. What is the production cost differential between an electric motor and a petrol one.

    If a Cruze sells for $17 k in the US then the engine is going to cost about say $3k. I don’t know the cost of Bolt motors but they’re unlikely to cost less than $1k. So you’ll probably have a modest saving on the motors.

    2. The link I showed earlier suggested there is a $US1,400 saving annually for e-petrol and “regular” regular petrol. That’s $14K over 10 years.

    Worth a lot less if you include the cost of money. “Capital is king” is the saying in the process plant industry. In an NPV calc you’re comparing that $14 k saving vs the WACC return it would get in another investment. So lets say you use a WACC of 7%. That means $14k in up front capital returns you $9.8k in ten years. Effectively you have only saved $4k in dollars of the day. Then there are things like maintenance cost differentials which tend to run the other way.

    3. Engine maintenance. Again, that link suggests considerable savings.

    Modern engines are nearly maintenance free. I had to get my head gasket replaced on one car after ~18 years life, plus a head machining. $2k. Sold it aged 23 years and saw the car in a Coles car park a month later driven by a kid. Ok some other stuff like oil changes and cam belts.

    Compare that to replacing the whole battery after about 8 years. No one has succeeded in getting a long life lithium battery for very good chemical reasons. So to get to 23 years you’d have replaced the battery pack twice and coughed up another $40 k or thereabouts in Oz dollars to get the same performance as my old Daihatsu.

  201. JC

    JohnC

    It’s pretty clear we don’t have the large scale infrastructure required for EVs. However I’m not talking about the present day. I’m looking ahead say 30 odd years and trying to figure out what the trends will be. I think we we see a lot, lot more EVs on the road over that time. That’s how I see things playing out.

    There are snakes now that move remotely to the car’s plug-in while in the garage and begin the charging process. You don’t have to do a thing, so no time wasted.

  202. nemkat

    According to TG, he supports a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million illegals as long as they have not committed a crime (being illegal is not a crime?)
    Some say the number of illegals is closer to 50 million.

  203. cohenite

    You can’t separate EVs from wind and solar power, which do not work, with or without batteries; so unless you’re simultaneously building nuclear or HELEs, which alarmists will not allow the EVs are cactus.

  204. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Here is a hint. Make the air fuel ratio a bit richer. These things run lean and hence very hot.

    Motelier

    Are you suggesting a leaner mixture always results in higher CHT?

  205. Joe

    Joe

    What metrics are you using that suggest I’m wrong and wrong about what exactly? If you’re going to act as the site’s arbiter on who is or isn’t a bully then at least wear the clown uniform so we can tell from a distance.

    Sorry JC – I’m on your side. I believe in EVs. I am not arguing about it. It’s pointless. The powers that be will make them a success and that’s an end of it. What we think or say about it is like monks arguing about the number of angels on the point of a pin. Metrics are for after the event. You can invent any number to say whatever you wish and that’s what BoN has been doing. One endless set of metrics based on todays tech. It’s irrelevant to what’s eventually going to happen.

    By the way – I’m not the sites arbiter. Earlier today I was taken to task over bullying so I adopted the moniker of the sites bully for the day. It’s all in jest and not to be taken seriously.

  206. egg_

    What about peak horse shit?

    The ICE solved that.

  207. JC

    Let me make another point. Some people here (I’m surprised Joh was one of them, as she claims she worked as a taxeater for decades) seem to be confusing subsidies and tax breaks. Buying a car at a cheaper price because the government eased up on an impost is a taxbreak. I’m not making any claims to support tax breaks as they too create distortions. However they aren’t subsidies like the subsidized energy whores receive.

  208. egg_

    One endless set of metrics based on todays tech.

    Charging millions of plug-in-EV’s overnight in Sydney?
    Good luck with that.
    Probably why the major American auto makers are onto hybrids and FCEVs.

  209. JC

    Oh no problems Joe. Got it.

  210. zyconoclast

    Raheem used stats to confirm London’s descent into an Asian/moslem/African style shithole with a 70% increase in violent crime.

    Met Commissioner Cressida Dick was out to lunch when contacted for comment.

    But Londoners can be comforted with the thought that the 2017 appointment of a middle aged lesbian to head Scotland Yard makes their police force more representative, which is what matters, after all.

    Not to be outdone the London Fire Brigade (LFB) is headed by
    Dany Cotton: ‘Hairy-arsed’ macho image has to go, says London Fire Brigade’s first female boss

  211. Snoopy

    The market is a voting mechanism, which means there are an enormous number of people voting for Tesla – a one product category producer. Why? Why are they wrong and Bruce right about the future?

    What proportion of Tesla stock is owned by people investing their own money compared to the NASDAQ generally? I wouldn’t be surprised if managed funds are overrepresented.

  212. Empire GTHO Phase III

    I’m not making any claims to support tax breaks as they too create distortions. However they aren’t subsidies like the subsidized energy whores receive.

    Mmm.

    A subsidy is the state paying stolen money to a special interest client. A tax break is the state neglecting to steal money from a special interest client. At the end of the day, the effect and the immorality is very similar.

  213. cynical1

    Throughout history mankind has made markets for new products and enhanced them to make them cheap enough for common consumption. That is the miracle of the market and capitalist systems.

    Very rarely through subsidies to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

  214. candy

    That lamb ad is the most puerile bit of bullshit and virtue signalling I’ve ever seen.

    I think it’s really clever, Winston. The leader of Left side looks like di Natale and there is character on the Right side who looks like Milo Y. And a chap in red budgie smugglers in the background.

    Shame it’s about eating a baby animal.

  215. JC

    Bruce, we’re down the bay, so I’m using wifey’s computer and don’t have a spreadsheet or the trusty 12C. Why are you using 7%?

    Can we please talk about this tomorrow. I’m EV’ed out.

  216. chrisl

    I have heard from “a reliable source” (aka A bloke down the pub) that if Electric Vehicles went to 10 per cent of the vehicle fleet it would require a doubling of the electricity supply.
    At the moment in Vic and SA we have diesel generators powering the grid so that ev drivers can charge their cars
    YOu know it makes sense (NOT)

  217. Joe

    A tax break is the state neglecting to steal money from a special interest client. At the end of the day, the effect and the immorality is very similar.

    As taxation is theft, not taxing someone is not committing theft and therefore morally right.

  218. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yes. However it’s a moving target – which you do not seem to accept. What is impossible for you now is impossible for you forever. That is a belief.

    Joe – I am basing on experience of well over 30 years in R&D. I was first involved in an engineering feasibility study in the late eighties and I’ve done many dozens of such since. I’ve a couple dozen process patents to my name. I always look forward to the possibilities of the technology, that is my job. Comparing costs of technologies especially new technologies, and maximising the ROI is also my job. That is what I get paid for. I’ve nearly thirty years experience in electrochemistry too. It’s not belief, it is judgement and understanding of the technology. But believe what you want about me.

  219. Joe

    Very rarely through subsidies to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    What have the Romans ever done for us? Apart from the roads.

  220. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Shame it’s about eating a baby animal.

    Why is eating a juvenile beast a shame?

  221. JC

    A subsidy is the state paying stolen money to a special interest client. A tax break is the state neglecting to steal money from a special interest client. At the end of the day, the effect and the immorality is very similar.

    Emp, I dunno. As I said ,I think both create distortions. However I would look at it like this. A windmill subsidy whore will end up in the 9th circle of hell. Someone getting a taxbreak… I dunno I still think they will make it to heaven.

    I consider the US mortgage interest deduction eminently fair in my mind and that’s a tax break. If the government charges tax on interest earned they should then give deductions on interest paid. And why should businesses be able to charge interest paid against income and not a wage slave?

  222. 132andBush

    Top Ender
    #2612264, posted on January 17, 2018 at 6:42 pm
    132andBush, The Empire Strikes South.

    Avonmore Books.

    Thanks, I thought that was it.
    Having a few days away at Jindabyne with family and friends one of whom is my old boss. He’s halfway through the book and enjoying it immensely. 👍

  223. JC

    Joe

    Bruce is the real deal. He’s worked in a senior role for one of Australia’s premier business operations and very respected.

  224. Joe

    Joe – I am basing on experience of well over 30 years in R&D.

    That nice and I’m suitably impressed. Nothing you say about EVs matters – just as nothing I say about EVs matter. They are going to happen. The powers that be want them, it’s inevitable.

  225. Empire GTHO Phase III

    As taxation is theft, not taxing someone is not committing theft and therefore morally right.

    Not when applied discriminately to the benefit of a special interest. That’s called corruption, or in modern parlance progressive taxation.

  226. JC

    Wow, what devastation. That poor kid, who’s entire family was wiped out on boxing day, had her life support cut off and she’s passed away.

  227. Joe

    Not when applied discriminately to the benefit of a special interest. That’s called corruption, or in modern parlance progressive taxation.

    Are you seriously arguing that not taxing something is corruption and therefore morally wrong?

  228. egg_

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2612429, posted on January 17, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    Musk seems good at exploiting niches – assisted by Govt handouts.

    Hardly mass production, which the Tesla Model 3 seems to be failing dismally.
    Ditto the home powerwall.

  229. Candy;

    I think it’s really clever, Winston. The leader of Left side looks like di Natale and there is character on the Right side who looks like Milo Y. And a chap in red budgie smugglers in the background.

    No it’s not clever, candy.
    It’s a flogfest by some idiot who thinks they are an ‘artiste of the airways’ and wants to be ‘inclusive.’
    I have no idea why it plays to identity politics, nor do I care.
    Why do there have to be poofters in it?
    Do poofters eat more lamb?
    Is that it?
    Are they now a targeted demographic for certain sorts of meat?
    Why has our society suddenly developed this fetish for normalising deviant behaviour?
    Why the sudden interest in shoving stuff up each others arses as if it’s OK?
    “Oh, hi! I’m Denniss and this is my husband Colin, and we’re both Turdburglers! Giggle. Aren’t we both so edgy?”
    So many questions – I’m having a shower and going to bed.
    To read about stuff that doesn’t pretend to normalise deviant lifestyles…

  230. Infidel Tiger

    You can have electric vehicles or you can have green powered cities.

    You ain’t getting both.

  231. egg_

    Joe
    #2612439, posted on January 17, 2018 at 9:52 pm

    Smells like a Grigbot.

  232. Infidel Tiger

    What’s everyone doing for the Fake News Awards?

    Not long now.

  233. Joe

    You can have electric vehicles or you can have green powered cities.

    This, however, is a basic truth that no amount of handwaving can refute.

  234. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2612444, posted on January 17, 2018 at 9:55 pm

    What’s everyone doing for the Fake News Awards?

    Not long now.

    If the fat fuck does it over Twitter I won’t forgive him. He threw the CNN fucker out of the oval office yesterday. He told him to get out.

    Trump is God.

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