Open Forum: January 20, 2018

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  1. egg_

    We have NAIDOC Week, we have Sorry Day, we have Reconciliation Week, we have Mabo Day. If you want to divide the nation, this is how we go down that line.”

    Worth remembering the next time Linda Burney calls for an ‘Aboriginal Day’.

    Virtue signalling ‘tard/magic Aborigine.

  2. stackja

    Crossie
    #2615078, posted on January 21, 2018 at 8:49 am
    Trump is in terrible trouble, with protesters out on the streets and the government shut down. A telling end to a year of turbulence.

    Seven News.

    I saw that too but what can you expect when high schoolers are running the place.

    I say kindy class.

  3. Bill Thompson

    This is the sort of garbage that passes for “news” on ABC News on-line. You might as well look at it – you’re required to help pay for it anyway! You’ll see that, for their ABC, “covfefe” was way more important than the US tax cuts. The booming economy & Wall Street didn’t even get a mention.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-21/donald-trumps-top-ten-moments-since-inauguration/9338334

  4. stackja

    Many aborigines today are a pale imitation of those from the past.

  5. OldOzzie

    I am missing something here! -You mean 1000 Police did not do anything to stop Dimitrious Gargasoulas, the Bourke Street Massacre Driver?

    Bourke St tragedy’s hidden toll: 1000 police members seek help

    A THOUSAND Victoria Police members have sought help for mental distress in the aftermath of the Bourke St tragedy.

    A year since Dimitrious Gargasoulas allegedly cut a deadly path through Melbourne’s CBD — killing six people including a three-month-old baby — the hidden toll on those charged with keeping the community safe can be revealed.

    The numbers of members seeking support is unprecedented in the force’s history — surpassing even tragedies including the Russell St bombing and Hoddle St massacre.

    It comes as authorities prepare to mark the anniversary with a public service on Tuesday.

    Frontline police, experienced detectives, traffic cops and crime scene investigators are among Victoria Police personnel to seek help.

    Several are yet to return to work while others have requested transfers from Melbourne’s CBD to avoid having to pass the scene of the tragedy.

    The enormous number of police grappling with the deadly events includes staff from several inner city police stations where dozens of members were involved in a series of dramatic events that allegedly started with the stabbing assault of Gargasoulas’ brother in St Kilda the night before January 20, 2017.

    Unsworn members were also deeply affected.

    Major Crime Scene Unit acting Sen-Sgt Glen Finlay and city Sgt Mitch Capodiferro were among officers cautious of the long term mental impact of having attended the scene.

    Tasked with taking photographs of victims, Sen-Sgt Finlay said there was one memory he couldn’t shake.

    “One image that has stuck in my head is the stroller capsule and child’s shoe wedged against the bonnet and fractured windscreen of the car used,” he said.

    “The frame of the stroller was half a block away.”

    Sgt Capodiferro said the entire situation had been hard to comprehend.

    “I just remember looking east down Bourke St and putting my hand over my mouth and gasping. I had to take a moment because I was in shock.”

    Victoria Police senior psychologist Alexandra West said a team of 18 psychologists and a wider support network of more than 50 were put to the test as members sought help in the weeks and months to follow.

    “We certainly hadn’t dealt with anything like that before,” Dr West said. “The scale and intensity was different to anything many members had ever had to deal with.

    “There have been over 1000 contacts from members actively seeking support.

    “Individuals actively calling and saying `I was involved with Bourke St. I need to speak to somebody’.”

    Dr West was also confident the high numbers could be associated with a proactive approach to seeking help that what might have existed more than a decade ago.

    She said in some cases Bourke St acted as tipping point for many career members dealing with the consequences of accumulative trauma.

    The welfare unit was determined to ensure post traumatic stress disorder was no longer perceived as an inevitable end point to a career, she said.

    “Our potential to recover from trauma is quite good, we are resilient beings

    “But there is no accurate way to predict how deeply somebody might be affected.”

    She said the anniversary of the event could prove a trigger for some.

    “Reactions and impacts are so highly individual, there is no good way to predict who will and who won’t be most impacted. We just want the members to recognise the signs and know support is there.”

    A private memorial marking one year since the Bourke St tragedy was yesterday held for victims and their families ahead of this week’s public State Memorial Service to be held at the Royal Exhibition Building from noon.

    The national flag will be flown at half-mast across at all government buildings as a mark of respect.

    YOU CAN’T WALK AWAY FROM THIS

    COPS are trained to deal with the worst of it. Mitch Capodiferro always knew that. But he’s not sure just how prepared anybody could be for what officers encountered in Melbourne’s CBD last year.

    There are long pauses as he attempts to find the right words to describe what happened on Bourke St. But there is also a sense he is still trying to untangle it.

    “For me, there is an image of where my car was parked and the overturned pram on the road near it,’’ Sgt Capodiferro said.

    “That’s what’s really burnt into my mind from that day.’’

    An unprecedented number of Victoria Police members sought help from welfare services in the weeks and months after that day. And even though Sgt Capodiferro is an officer of considerable mettle, he admits pondering if there might be an accumulative effect; whether those sights and sounds, the screams and crying, might one day wake him in the night.

    “Everybody that went there and saw what we did, saw the scenes, you can’t walk away from that and not be touched,’’ he said.

    “It has an impact on everybody.’’

    The 30-year-old had been stationed at a university protest when he got the call.

    There’d already been talk of a bloke in a car being monitored by the police air wing. Unmarked police cars had been in careful pursuit as the vehicle swerved erratically around the inner west. Then police radios crackled to life as the car cut laps outside Flinders St station, then darted down Swanston St.

    By the time Sgt Capodiferro arrived at the scene, it was too late.

    “I just remember looking east down Bourke St and putting my hand over my mouth and gasping.

    “I had to take a moment because I was in shock.’’

    Then reality kicked in.

    He had a job to do and set about ensuring the injured and dying were getting the help they needed.

    At the other end of the mall, Major Crime Scene Unit acting Sen-Sgt Glen Finlay had arrived from Prahran. Along with colleague Sgt Mark Burns, it was his job to photograph the scene before the arrival of major crime and collision investigators.

    Paramedics had already stopped trying to resuscitate at least three victims. But when the last of the injured were removed he remembers a strange lull falling across what was normally Melbourne’s busiest street.

    “The feeling here was surreal,” Sen-Sgt Finlay said. “It was tranquil, quiet and deserted.”

    He said, for a moment, even the dead looked peaceful. He spent a moment with each of them — dutifully carrying out his tasks as a crime scene officer.

    There was no time for emotion or shock. This was a man who’d carried out the same task in Marysville after Black Saturday.

    “I haven’t lost sleep over it,” Sen-Sgt Finlay said this week.

    “Some of my mates outside of the job often think I don’t have a heart. It’s quite the contrary. It’s more a case you become immune and desensitised to death and trauma through exposure.’’

    The 31-year-old said that for a while he wondered if something was wrong — why he hadn’t fallen to pieces like so many others.

    He was even among several officers who copped abuse from members of the public in the days and weeks to follow as questions were raised over why authorities had not acted sooner to stop the carnage.

    He’s smart enough to know the worst critics wouldn’t last a day in his job. Now, he just wonders how long he might keep doing it.

    “I do think about it … if one day, it might all catch up with me,” he said.

    “Many members sadly were left profoundly traumatised over this.

    “We had police members just days or weeks into the start of their career to seasoned veterans with decades of experience … some are still at work trying to recover.

    “Some have not returned since and are sadly unlikely to return to work again.”

    FOR CHARLOTTE, IT WAS A BIG TURNING POINT

    CHARLOTTE Galpin bolted across the street as soon as she saw it.

    She had heard the screams already and knew whatever was happening on Bourke St in January last year wasn’t good.

    She watched in horror as a young mother was struck by the man swerving wildly in the car.

    The travel agency manager didn’t think twice.

    She ran to help.

    “I don’t even remember looking for other traffic,” Ms Galpin said.

    “I just remember seeing her in the air and then having nothing else in my mind but her.”

    For the next hour, she gently placed her hands around the bleeding head of Nethra Krishnamurthy.

    Her wounds were so extensive, Ms Galpin didn’t expect her to make it.

    But as the minutes ticked by on that tragic day, the travel consultant and scores of others like her, stayed with the many victims, held their hands and kept them as calm as possible.

    “It was a big turning point in my life,” she said.

    “It made me realise the kind of person I am and how a simple action can help someone.

    “Especially in situations like that where it is life or death.

    “It gave me perspective.

    “There were a lot of things happening in my life that I thought were a big deal and they were not.

    “When you see somebody’s world literally get turned upside down, when it’s not their fault at
    all … it made me realise how grateful we should be for everything in life.”

    She said the experience had been hard to shake. Her senses were still wired.

    “It was the sounds and the sight,” she said.

    “It took a long time after the incident to stop hearing the screams and to look down at your hands and know they are not covered in blood.”

    She said processing such a dramatic event had been challenging, but learning that Ms Krishnamurthy would recover certainly helped.

    “I had been holding my breath for a couple of weeks,” she said.

    “The biggest part of closure for me was finding out she was OK.”

    In the months that followed, the pair would eventually meet and say they shared a special bond.

    “You often theorise about what you would do in those sort of situations and it’s always a bit of an unknown,”
    Ms Galpin said.

    “It taught me values and that one person can make a difference and knowing you have it in you.

    “I learnt I am definitely stronger than I thought I was.”

    Her employer, Brent Novak, said she was an outstanding employee who had gone above and beyond.

    “When a situation like that comes up there is no contingency,” he said.

    “Some people like Charlotte step up to the plate and as a company we couldn’t be more proud of that.”

  6. C.L.

    People in the old days were slim because they walked everywhere and 90 percent of them laboured in one way or another. There was no fast food and no scope for luxury eating. Car owners were a minority. Women were also un-polluted by the Pill – which is ruinous to their health in every way. People today are fat because they eat too much food and don’t do enough rigorous exercise and movement.

  7. Farmer Gez

    Avoid Carbs Eyrie?
    Bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, fruit and beer.

    Thins the old menu out a bit.

  8. OldOzzie

    Kevin Andrews: African gang problem has been denied too long and fresh approach needed

    SHORTLY after being appointed immigration minister in 2007, I received a series of phone calls from frontline community workers, including police, about increasing problems from groups of young unemployed immigrants in a number of Melbourne’s suburbs.

    Given the consistency and gravity of the messages, I resolved to investigate the claims.

    Over a few weeks, I discreetly met with local police, welfare workers, English language and employment providers and others, as well as visiting a number of suburban areas.

    What resulted from those discussions was a disturbing picture: a significant number of young men, who had immigrated to Australia under our refugee program, were uneducated, unemployed and engaged in a range of anti-social behaviour.

    For the previous two years, 70 per cent of our humanitarian intake had been from Africa.

    Many of the young men who immigrated to Australia had suffered horrific experiences in war-torn parts of the African continent.

    In their teens, many had only mid-level primary education. But they certainly could not be put into classes with local eight- and nine-year-olds.

    The real prospect was that unless changes were made, many of them would remain uneducated, unemployable and in danger of embarking on a life of crime.

    The fact is that immigration is not a journey that ends when a person sets foot upon Australian soil. It is a process that involves settlement.

    The Howard Cabinet subsequently endorsed my recommendation to reduce the African intake from 70 per cent to 30 per cent. This level would enable the people already selected under the program to come to Australia, while turning our attention to the challenges of those struggling with the realities of settlement.

    The announcement was met with predictable outrage from the Left, much of it confected. The government was accused falsely of racism.

    But worse, a number of public officials denied both the anecdotal evidence from police and other frontline personnel and the data, which indicated higher levels of anti-social behaviour and criminal activity from these groups. A decade later, the problems have exacerbated.

    Groups of uneducated, unemployed and bored young men have morphed into criminal gangs. Their contempt for authority and rejection of the values of our civilisation, such as the rule of law, are being paraded before our eyes.

    Denial of the challenges that were apparent a decade ago has only worsened the problem.

    Denial today will only aggravate the challenges.

    We must accept that the past approach has failed.

    There should be a presumption of remand for those charged with violent offences — community expectation being that people accused of violent offences should not be allowed straight back on to our streets to immediately reoffend.

    Secondly, I believe we need a “one strike and you’re out” policy for anybody breaching bail. If you are on bail and you violate the conditions of that bail, you forfeit the privilege and face remand.

    For far too long in Victoria, breaching bail has carried no consequences.

    Thirdly, the offence of breaching bail by juveniles should be reinstated. It was a change that weakened the bail system in 2016.

    These measures, along with tougher sentencing, would improve the public safety of the residents of Victoria.

    We should learn the lessons of a decade ago that denying that a grave problem exists does not resolve it. Only a determination to address the challenges will restore safety to our communities.

    That is what Victorians expect — and it is what they deserve.

    Kevin Andrews is the Member for Menzies in the Australian Parliament

  9. Snoopy

    A THOUSAND Victoria Police members have sought help for mental distress in the aftermath of the Bourke St tragedy.

    And some here claim that Graeme Ashton displays no leadership.

    Surely Christine Nixon’s effusive praise provides some comfort?

  10. johanna

    Who are these neurotics in VicPol? Obviously not the ordinary members who have to scrape people out of their cars after fatals, enter homes spattered with blood after a nasty murder, or deal with drunken iceheads when they get pulled over.

    No wonder Victorians are scared. A huge chunk of the police faint on the couch whenever something bad happens within 10km of where they are. And that’s just the men.

  11. overburdened

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/porn-star-olivia-lua-dead-aged-23/news-story/2eab5ebb5de78ec53b0189a171bde33e

    WHAT IS KILLING OUR PORN STARS???!!!
    Firstly tragic for mum and dad etc but so would be seeing your precious baby getting anally dilated or having a member rammed down their throat or whatever, I would guess; however I can’t see how this rates as news other than it being part of the Plan to erode accepted social norms. As ever I don’t take the click bait so I don’t know what’s the story.
    Maybe it’s just a case of these meat puppets having a blinding momentary flash of insight that being a Ho with strangers with cameras rolling to show your bits via the internet or fillums is not all beer and skittles.

  12. Mike of Marion

    Bit of a rough night – got into a coughing fit for a while – slept in the lounge chair more upright.

    mask tomorrow

    feeling like long left turns by the queen mary.

  13. zyconoclast

    I accuse Meldrum of personally inflicting A Flock of Seagulls on an unwitting populace because of their hair and round arses, and further accuse him of poisoning our musical well with the New Romantic push and other such fads if for no other reason than he could relate to or with them.

    You forgot to mention the obligatory attendance at a homo bath house orgy.

  14. Snoopy

    Who are these neurotics in VicPol? Obviously not the ordinary members who have to scrape people out of their cars after fatals,

    Police don’t do that these days. They manage the traffic.

  15. Rabz

    For the previous two years, 70 per cent of our humanitarian intake had been from Africa.

    Sheer genius.

    Thanks, Quislings!

  16. johanna

    Meat and three was very often accompanied with a slice or several of bread and butter, to bulk it out in low income families. My next doo neighbours, who had seven kids and one income, did this.

    Nobody was fat, except Mum, who was a short, dumpy Irishwoman who never sat down during the day. And she was nowhere near as fat as the blobs at the mall I referred to earlier. She was a sort of solid rectangle on legs.

  17. Andreas

    Bourke St tragedy’s hidden toll: 1000 police members seek help
    A THOUSAND Victoria Police members have sought help for mental distress in the aftermath of the Bourke St tragedy.

    Guilt will do that.

  18. Nick

    Jessica Irvine:

    With whatever meagre savings I’d managed to scrape together ironing shirts or mowing lawns, I’d line up daily to buy up big on Redskins (immune to their racist overtones), fruit balls (containing, in hindsight, highly questionable levels of actual fruit) and Milkybars (“The Milkybars are on me!”).

    Oh, the horror! I suppose that Sunny Boy ice blocks were racist too?
    In Singapore, ‘Ang Mo’, literally ‘red head’ is the term used to denote Westerners.

    Other similar terms include ang mo kow (紅毛猴; “red-haired monkeys”), ang mo kui (紅毛鬼; “red-haired devil”), ang mo lang (紅毛人; “red-haired people”). Although the term had some derogatory connotations, it has entered common usage in Singapore and Malaysia and refers to a white person or, when used as an adjective, Western culture in general.

    Cue outrage in…, oh, hang on.

  19. Eyrie

    Farmer Gez, yes it does thin down the menu. Your list is the things to avoid routinely.
    The dietary guidelines were invented for the benefit of cheap food producers.
    Karl Denninger at http://www.market-ticker.org has a section on low carb.

  20. Tom

    Old Ozzie, many thanks for posting the Akerman column. Such a pleasure to read. He writes so well. I noticed News Corp have now put his blog behind the paywall when it always used to be relatively unrestricted (like Blair). Idiots. People aren’t going to do the Google workaround to get access to an opinion column.

  21. JC

    Kevin Andrews: African gang problem has been denied too long and fresh approach needed

    It’s like he had no part in it and mentions how he and Howard reduced African numbers.

    But one thing I can’t believe though, is that breaking bail conditions doesn’t mean automatic slammer. It’s just incredible that is no longer the case.

  22. twostix

    Bourke St tragedy

    Massacre. The Burke St massacre you pathetic weaklings.

  23. johanna

    Mike of Marion
    #2615113, posted on January 21, 2018 at 9:47 am

    Bit of a rough night – got into a coughing fit for a while – slept in the lounge chair more upright.

    mask tomorrow

    feeling like long left turns by the queen mary.

    That’s the pits, Mike.

    While there are other people who feel like that this morning, at least they had fun the night before.

    Hang in there. Do you have any Sunday morning music suggestions?

    BTW, it is 29C at 10.00 am here. Gonna be a scorcher, as the tabloids used to say.

    Michael Faraday, who invented aircon, should have won a Nobel Prize (thanks to Cats who pointed him out).

  24. Nick

    Sending best wishes to you Mike.

  25. OldOzzie

    Nick
    #2615119, posted on January 21, 2018 at 9:53 am
    Oh, the horror! I suppose that Sunny Boy ice blocks were racist too?
    In Singapore, ‘Ang Mo’, literally ‘red head’ is the term used to denote Westerners.

    Cue outrage in…, oh, hang on.

    You mean like

    NIGGER POLISHES.
    Mr. Julius Cohn, leather and grindery ,
    I merchant, of Leigh street, Adelaide, has ‘
    scut us sample tins of Alexander’s Nigger
    shoe polish and Alexander’s Nigger lino-
    leum poli-h. Hie factory is at McKinnon
    parnd?, North Adelaide, and our represen-
    tative on visiting the place was greatly im
    pres-sed by the up-tevdate character of the
    maehinery employed there for the prepara
    , tion of tlie poli-bes. Five expert hands are
    [ kept constantly engaged in the endeavor
    l to keep pace with the steadilv-increasing
    demand- The firm makes the Nigger shoe
    polish in both black’ and colors

    or

    Colgate Renames Racist ‘Darkie’ Toothpaste Sold In Asia On This Day In 1989

  26. Crossie

    Tim Rogers, of You Am I, Savage Garden’s Darren Hayes, Men at Work, Jimmy Barnes, Powderfinger, The Hilltop Hoods and Icehouse have all called for their songs to be removed. Their complaints remind us how stupid artists can be when they enter the realms of politics.

    They should all be sent copies of Laura Ingraham’s book “Shut up and sing” which is over ten years old and even more relevant now than when it was published.

  27. zyconoclast

    Luckily KK lost the seat of Bennelong she can now move into her new digs without the accusation that she doesn’t live in her electorate.

    Kristina Keneally buys a Scotland Island hideaway for $1.8 million

  28. Crossie

    If 1000 Victorian police officers need help to cope with the recent terrorist attacks could be because they are allowed to be little else than observers and to clean up the scene afterwards.

  29. John Constantine

    Vicpol to introduce Judge Dress style peeper vans, equipped with cameras capable of recording faces from twenty kilometers away and swarms of camera drones.

    Once fifty percent wymynsys are on the street, the enforcement has to change.

    Vicpol management want to have photos taken during the crime, so they can select media opportunity arrests for the next morning.

    Masked antifa, Apex Predator, cousin mo, get community elder intervention.

    Bluey and Curley putting up photocopied posters disrespecting the surrender of their country by their government, they get full media embedded predawn home invasion by State paramilitary Death squads.

  30. twostix

    The Victorian policemen in that article sound like a bunch of absolute fags.

  31. John Constantine

    Seriously, vicpol management just want to photograph crime, not intervene in crime.

  32. nemkat

    Meat & 3 Veg is tertiary educated SJW code for White people we’d like to see no more of.

  33. twostix

    He had a job to do and set about ensuring the injured and dying were getting the help they needed

    The Victorian police’s new motto.

  34. Geriatric Mayfly

    I am going to take a lie down. This is the most provocative line that I have read in years, and on the very eve of all that primitivism baloney being put to rest. Celebrating 40, 50, 100,000 thousand years of heritage, culture and inquiry, should be foremost in our minds.

    THIS week the great majority of Australians, including those who identify as Aboriginal, will celebrate the end of the Stone Age on this continent.

  35. John Constantine

    Their libs reduced the rate of increase of Apex Predators, that is all.

    The libs did nothing to decrease the occupation of Australia’s institutions by ABC scum hellbent on transformation of the polity with eternal imported leftist voteherds.

  36. Nick

    He had a job to do and set about ensuring the injured and dying were getting the help they needed

    Wait till that stops being fun and they work out that their jobs are to prevent people from being injured and dying.

  37. twostix

    He was even among several officers who copped abuse from members of the public in the days and weeks to follow as questions were raised over why authorities had not acted sooner to stop the carnage

    He’s smart enough to know the worst critics wouldn’t last a day in his job

    Lol.

    Immediately after that the article explains how a female travel agent did do a day in his job (and did it better than 1000 of him apparently).

  38. RobK

    Mike of Marion,
    Best wishes..

  39. nemkat

    If 1000 Victorian police officers need help to cope with the recent terrorist attacks could be because they are allowed to be little else than observers and to clean up the scene afterwards.
    Dunno.
    I’d hazard a guess that Police get lump sum payouts far in excess of any other occupation.
    Not saying they’re all faking it, but i’d also guess the Police Union shepherd these claims thru, and Management raise no objections.

  40. lotocoti

    The Victorian police’s new motto.

    To Body Bag and Arse Cover.

  41. overburdened

    Having spent some time in Sheeprootistan, I heartily endorse the way the non-Iwi embrace their title of Pakeha.
    It is also true that some of the JAFAs do refer to themselves as such.

  42. C.L.

    Who are these neurotics in VicPol? Obviously not the ordinary members who have to scrape people out of their cars after fatals

    Police to bugger-all at fatals.
    Ambos and firemen do all the tough work.

  43. C.L.

    Andrews is what passes for a hard man in the Liberal Party:

    The Howard Cabinet subsequently endorsed my recommendation to reduce the African intake from 70 per cent to 30 per cent. This level would enable the people already selected under the program to come to Australia, while turning our attention to the challenges of those struggling with the realities of settlement.

    Wow. Just THIRTY percent of immigrants to be violent, unhinged barbarians from Africa, hey.
    Try zero percent.

  44. johanna

    Watched a couple of episodes of Adrian Richardson’s Secret Meat Business on SBS Food this morning.

    As you might guess from the title, he’s not a fan of political correctness. He breaks every rule in the book of the Received Wisdom, and I can honestly say that there is nothing he has cooked on the show that I wouldn’t hoe into with gusto.

    Meat, fat and salt are the basic food groups in Adrian’s kitchen.

    Since he spent several years of his childhood in Asia, he loves Asian dishes – not just meat and three. And, he always says things like ”if you haven’t got this (ingredient) you could use X, Y or Z.”

    Not sure how he slipped under the net at SBS.

  45. Tom

    Sending best wishes to you Mike.

    +1.

    Please keep us up to date.

  46. johanna

    OK, point taken, VicPol don’t actually scrape the remnants out of cars at fatals any more. But, they do see them. Since bank clerks apparently get huge payouts for trauma after they have been held up, how does seeing mangled and/or burnt bodies rate on the scale?

    Based on the VicPol figures, there shouldn’t be an ambo still at work.

  47. C.L.

    Keep that chin up, Mike. All the best to you, buddy.

  48. C.L.

    Craig McLachlan has spoken to the Telegraph.
    His version is heartfelt, intelligent and – to my mind – credible. And I’m not a fan.
    A confident, even brash man with a Benny Hill sense of humour (he says). I suspect his accusers are snowflakes and sour neurotics.

  49. nemkat

    Since bank clerks apparently get huge payouts for trauma after they have been held up, how does seeing mangled and/or burnt bodies rate on the scale?
    That possibility goes with the territory in some Police occupations.
    I wouldn’t rate it with a woman behind a counter having a shotgun pointed at her by a maniac from a foot away.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    For the previous two years, 70 per cent of our humanitarian intake had been from shitholes Africa.

  51. Mater

    You might want to explain that to a classmate who picked up a gong in GW1 for doing stuff a long, long way from the high tide mark.

    On one particularly black day, due to the oil fire haze our team area was lit by generators and our diving floats were marked by cyalume chemical lights – this was at eight in the morning! Oil contamination became our next threat, coating personnel and equipment alike. Hours were spent de-oiling equipment using liquid soap, degreaser and steam cleaning in order to keep the gear operational. When our work in Kuwait was over, the lifespan of some of our equipment was also over. Not all our work was confined to the water. We also cleared wharves, buildings and ships, examining them for IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices, or booby traps to the uninitiated) and caches of explosives and small arms.

    The port itself was dotted with sandbag bunkers, from the entrances of which spilled small arms ammunition, RPG rounds, grenades, blankets, webbing, clothing, boots, shaving kits, and other evidence of a hasty departure. Iraqi sabotage was evident in the buckled cranes and distorted pipelines seeping oil to fuel the greedy flames that burned night and day. Every port vehicle had been damaged in some way, and all were stripped of wheels and tyres – apparently these were taken back to Iraq, where they were expensive to buy. Explosions and sporadic gunfire from the surrounding countryside was a daily occurrence; we never left the CDT3 team area alone, and always heavily armed. Fortunately, the CDT’s small arms training and the advantage of having a nucleus of ex-SAS counter-terrorist trained divers in the team ensured that our weapons skills were kept up to scratch.

    Mines, our bread and butter and our ticket to the Middle East, became a reality in Kuwait. While none were encountered within the port, the beaches to the north and south were littered with contact mines that the Gulf waters had washed ashore. Some were beaten and battered from rocky encounters; others were covered in oil; some were perfect; all were deadly. Each day a small party would locate and render safe a number of these mines, while the majority of the team continued with the diving task. During a period of five days, the team spent 56 hours in the water, and cleared 450,000 square metres of harbour seabed.

    They are demolition experts and whilst they are great blokes and highly skilled, clearing explosives in harbours and ships is a long way from land based Spec Ops work.

  52. OCO;

    It seems Petty had a buttload of fentanyl in his system, which is incredibly potent. I suspect that’s what killed him.

    Only had Fentanyl once, after a gall bladder removal.
    You’re right – bloody potent stuff – I felt no pain at all.
    The fact that it is out there is no surprise to me, the abuse factor is damn high.

  53. OldOzzie

    Trump Campaign Ad Blasts #SchumerShutdown Democrats: You ‘Will Be Complicit in Every Murder by Illegal Immigrants’

    New York, NY – Hours after Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer led Democrats to shut down the federal government, holding lawful citizens hostage over their demands for amnesty for illegal immigrants, Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. released a campaign ad calling out Democrats “who stand in our way” of progress and who are “complicit in every murder committed by illegal immigrants.”

    The ad, titled “Complicit,” profiles an illegal immigrant on trial for the murder of two Sacramento police officers who stated his “only regret” is that he “just killed two” and that he wished he “killed more.” It contrasts Democrats, who stand by those who commit acts of “pure evil,” versus President Trump, who was elected to build a wall to stop illegal immigration and keep American families safe.

    The Trump Campaign released the ad on the one-year anniversary of Donald Trump’s Inauguration as the 45th President of the United States. The powerful new ad reflects the stakes in the illegal immigration debate, and the reasons why the President will not allow the Schumer Shutdown to force his hand and grant amnesty for illegal immigrants.

    “Donald Trump was elected President to build the wall and keep American families safe from evil, illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes against lawful U.S. citizens,” said Michael S. Glassner, Executive Director of Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. “Yet, one year after President Trump’s Inauguration, Chuck Schumer and the Democrats continue to put the interests of illegal immigrants over those of Americans. Our new campaign ad draws attention to the stark contrast between ‘complicit’ Democrats and the President for his full commitment to build a wall and fix our border to protect Americans from drugs, murder and other atrocities,” he concluded.

  54. johanna

    Reading back, I find that my personal hygiene has somehow become a matter for discussion. For the benefit of people who, like Lizzie, think that I am a bag lady typing away in the local public library, nup.

    Farmer Gez
    #2614841, posted on January 20, 2018 at 8:17 pm

    Hang on Johanna.
    You detest having your hair done by anyone?
    Not a DIY job, except for Stimpy.

    I hate being poked and prodded and handled by strangers, for whatever reason.

    I do my own nails, they are longish, nice ovals, and spotlessly clean. Sometimes clear polish, sometimes pearl (I got that from a James Bond novel) and sometimes natural.

    My hair is long, and I put it up myself. No need for hairdressers. When it gets too long, I grab a handful and cut the end off with whatever scissors are at hand.

    Why Lizzie decided that I look like a ‘bag lady’, having never met me, is a mystery. Except, of course, that despite her pretensions to gentility, she is a gutter rat who married one with a gold front tooth.

  55. Jessie

    Scrolling, I read of read Knuckle Dragger’s comment – ANZMI
    Dreadful fraud.

    For Cats with an interest in Changi and history thereof, in Aug 2017 Cambridge University Library Special Collection uploaded preserved and scanned documents of Changi and Sime Rd as part of a larger project (see next post).
    Among the pdfs are maps of the camps, separate lists of the women, children and men interned, including lists of Prisoners of War. (500pge pdf)

    Changi civilian internment digitisation project

    Source: Changi

  56. Jessie

    Project Synopsis
    Cambridge University Library has been awarded a Wellcome Trust Research Resources Award to conserve, digitise and make freely available online the archives of two WWII civilian internment camps on Singapore – Changi and Sime Road. These form part of the Royal Commonwealth Society’s British Association of Malaysia and Singapore archives. Our two-year grant commences in September 2015 and we plan to launch the records in Cambridge Digital Library in August 2017.
    Few survivors of Japanese internment spoke of their traumatic experience, so the records are of immense interest to the friends and families of those interned in the Far East, as well as to the academic community, and particularly to those studying the effects of malnutrition and tropical diseases.
    In our archives, the internees meticulously documented their captivity – their accommodation, work for the Japanese, their recreation, diet and health, and repatriation at the end of the war. Nominal Rolls and the files of the Camp Commandant and Quartermaster are complemented by newspapers, written and circulated by the internees, diaries, letters, plays and memoirs

    The Changi Project

  57. OldOzzie

    The ad, titled “Complicit”, features the shocking court appearance this past week by an accused illegal alien cop killer, Luis Enrique Monroy Bracamontes, who, laughs, smiles and curses as he states his desire to kill more American police officers.

    The text at the YouTube post of the ad reads, “Donald Trump was elected President to build the wall and keep American families safe from evil, illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes against lawful U.S. citizens, Yet, one year after President Trump’s Inauguration, Chuck Schumer and the Democrats continue to put the interests of illegal immigrants over those of Americans. Our new campaign ad draws attention to the stark contrast between ‘complicit’ Democrats and the President for his full commitment to build a wall and fix our border to protect Americans from drugs, murder and other atrocities.”

  58. Farmer Gez

    Good for you Johanna.
    Luckily I still have hair enough for a cut and really quite enjoy the cup of coffee and aimless chatter at a local salon. All for $20.

  59. Snoopy

    I suspect his accusers are snowflakes and sour neurotics.

    Why audition for Rocky Horror if ribaldry offends and outrages you?

  60. C.L.

    South Australia has money to spare for cyclists:

    Tour Down Under women to have prize money ‘topped up’ to match men.

    The women cyclists who competed in this year’s Tour Down Under (TDU), staged before the men’s event, will have their prize money topped up to the same amount as their male counterparts.

    After talks with international cycling authorities, the South Australian Government has announced it will tip in $85,000 so the women and men TDU competitors are treated equally.

    The initial women’s prize pool had been $15,000.

    SA Sport Minister Leon Bignell said the women competitors could look forward to top-up cheques.

    “This is the first major bike race in the world where there’ll be equality amongst men and women, where the pay cheques will be exactly the same,” he said.

    “So terrific news for women’s cycling — when they go out there they train just as hard as the men.

    “When they break bones it hurts just as much as the men.”

    Great. Let the women compete against the men, then.
    GO!

  61. Snoopy

    We need a law to ensure male fashion models are paid the same as the girls.

  62. C.L.

    Why audition for Rocky Horror if ribaldry offends and outrages you?

    Leading the charge against ribaldry is Tracey Spicer – who writes columns about masturbating with a hair brush and being caught having sex (with her legs in the air) by her toddler daughter.

  63. C.L.

    Why audition for Rocky Horror if ribaldry offends and outrages you?

    Leading the charge against ribaldry is Tracey Spicer – who writes columns about masturb-t1ng with a hair brush and being caught having sex (with her legs in the air) by her toddler daughter.

  64. Anne

    Mike, have you heard of Royal Raymond Rife?

  65. nerblnob

    So, what’s this third veg?

  66. johanna

    johanna
    #2615117, posted on January 21, 2018 at 9:49 am

    Meat and three was very often accompanied with a slice or several of bread and butter, to bulk it out in low income families. My next doo neighbours, who had seven kids and one income, did this.

    Nobody was fat, except Mum, who was a short, dumpy Irishwoman who never sat down during the day. And she was nowhere near as fat as the blobs at the mall I referred to earlier. She was a sort of solid rectangle on legs.

    Thinking back, they were the quintessential Australian Irish Catholic family. The kids were called Denise, Michael, Bernard, Marian, Martin, Bernadette and Clare. Saints alive!

    They all trooped off to six o’clock (in the morning) Mass on Sunday. The kids went to Our Lady Star of the Sea. Sadly, that did not prevent Denise from getting pregnant at about 18 and marrying a jerk. But, that’s another story.

    Oh, and there was a big tin full of dripping in the kitchen.

    Looking back, it is amazing how they managed, even though they had a War Service loan for the house. It was three bedrooms.

    The little kids slept at opposite ends of the same bed. I know, I know, the psychological scars must be with them still. 🙂

    They were, despite the usual squabbles, devoted and loyal to each other.

    That type of family is gone forever, which is a pity.

  67. H B Bear

    That is what Victorians expect — and it is what they deserve.

    Andrews is wrong there. Victoriastanis voted to install a CFMEU puppet regime headed by the Hunchback of Spring Street.

    They are getting exactly what they deserve. Democracy – good and hard.

  68. feelthebern

    Tom Brady hand update.
    His thumb is ok & it’s all a ruse.
    Tom Brady on his way to winning his 6th Super Bowl from 8 appearances.
    More winning that Trump promised.

  69. struth

    Is the government shutdown a distraction squirrel for the document release?

  70. Chris

    So, what’s this third veg?

    White, orange, green. Potatoes, carrots, peas. Substitute by colour if necessary. If no pumkin you can use azo dye to make parsnips look like their food group, and pretend silver beet is all green. Butter, salt and pepper to satisfaction.

    Otherwise, the most important food group is LAMB.

  71. Farmer Gez

    These young TV researchers are too stupid to breath.
    A piece about 1960’s featuring Noeline Brown, who’s written a book. Clips of Blankety Blanks and the Mavis Bramston Show meant to feature Noeline but quite a few of the shots were of Carol Raye.
    All that technology run by monkeys.

  72. If President Trump is struggling to get funding for his border wall through the Senate, why can’t he direct Army to do the job as part of a defence project along the border?
    Surely the DoD is able to build fortifications around its bases?
    Why not have a base that runs from east to west US that’s a couple of kilometers deep?

  73. zyconoclast

    Possibly the most unfortunate name ever in world sport.
    Have you already forgotten Fanny Chmelar?

    Golfer Minjee Lee?

  74. stackja

    Jessie
    #2615168, posted on January 21, 2018 at 10:54 am
    Changi

    Mention of Changi Airport brings back memories of the past to me. The brutality and heroism.

  75. johanna

    Ugh, so-called lamb in this country is disgusting.

    I read somewhere that eastern European migrants who went to work on the Snowy were nauseated by the smell, let alone the taste of so-called ‘lamb.’ These people were not gourmands.

    I well remember as a child being a guest at a friend’s place where the cuisine du jour was fatty ‘lamb’ chops. Horrible, just the smell made me want to throw up.

    In Australia, ”lamb” apparently means whatever they want it to mean, as long as it resembles sheep meat. The Arabs love it, the older and stinkier the better.

    I’ve had some nice meals featuring real lamb, i.e. very young and tender. Cost me a fortune, though.

  76. zyconoclast

    AEMO update

    SA $250/MWh
    Qld $62/MWh

    2 red interconnectors

  77. nemkat

    All the dosh in the Defense Budget be the property of the Defense contractors.
    Woe betide Trumpy if he tried to get his tiny hands around any part of that loot.

  78. BrettW

    Looking forward to more equality in sport and the female tennis players playing best of 5 instead of 3 sets for same money as the men.

  79. stackja

    johanna
    #2615192, posted on January 21, 2018 at 11:22 am

    I know of one such family today, not Irish by the surname. Mum, dad, two girls, two boys.

  80. Geriatric Mayfly

    A wrapper strip in the Baker’s identified loaves as ‘Lo-Fo.’ I enquired if bread was now being imported from China. Why do I bother?

  81. Leigh Lowe

    Looking forward to more equality in sport and the female tennis players playing best of 5 against men instead of 3 sets for same money as the men.

    They’d save a shitload on accommodation.
    Fly in.
    Go to the courts.
    0-6 … 0-6 … 0-6.
    Fly home.

  82. RobK

    Is the government shutdown a distraction squirrel for the document release?

    Maybe, but I doubt it will work in the long run. It does seem to have pushed the North Korea issue back a bit.

  83. stackja

    Vale Graeme Langlands
    Sun 21 Jan 2018, 11:15 AM

    St George Illawarra are deeply saddened by the passing of Dragons legend and rugby league immortal Graeme Langlands.

    Following a long battle with illness, the four-time grand final winning fullback passed away in his sleep on Saturday evening. Langlands was 76.

  84. nemkat

    Governments subsidise all sport in Australia, one way or another.
    In other words, they own it, and they get to call the tune.
    How else could anyone explain $55 Million prizemoney for the Australian Open, in a Country where Tennis died about 40 years ago.

  85. Chris

    Ugh, so-called lamb in this country is disgusting.

    Substitute then Jo. NZ Hogget is good too.
    I come from an Australian sheep farm and Australian sheep meats are conducive to my happiness. If you can get the good stuff, by all means enjoy.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ugh, so-called lamb in this country is disgusting.

    The eating of sheep is a disgusting habit, at the best of times. Go and bang your head on the floor, until you are forgiven.

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    Is the government shutdown a distraction squirrel for the document release?

    Those four pages of the Memo are worth $25o,000 each. It being America, I am surprised it is taking so long for some revelation to be forthcoming.

  88. Chris

    The eating of sheep is a disgusting habit, at the best of times. Go and bang your head on the floor, until you are forgiven.

    Absolutely, it pushes up prices for the rest of us.

  89. stackja

    Donald J. Trump
    ‏Verified account
    @realDonaldTrump
    20 minutes ago
    The Trump Administration has terminated more UNNECESSARY Regulation, in just twelve months, than any other Administration has terminated during their full term in office, no matter what the length. The good news is, THERE IS MUCH MORE TO COME!

  90. nemkat

    Just finished a half leg of Organic Pasture fed lamb.
    Pretty damn good, even tho it cost %34.00.
    SuperMarkets are selling whole legs for $9.00/kg, raised on grain, bound to be bitter.

  91. Dave in Marybrook

    Steady on now Jo- I reckon there’s a fair few of us sheep producers on the Cat.
    It’s probably the adage that the farmer prefers differently to what the market wants-
    I produce mass boozy Cabernet and Sauvignon Blanc, but prefer sparkling white and lively reds like Tempranillo-
    When I was growing spuds, I would eat Dutch Cream and Delaware and Cecile and Maris Piper- but the wash-packers wanted Nadine and other soulless lookalikes, so that’s what went on the truck-
    And yep, I put 5-6 month old teeny tiny lambs to slaughter, but give me hogget anytime. That reminds me, I’ve got to line up the coolroom to kill a pair sometime

  92. struth

    How disgusting.
    Last night I played in a small worker’s gastro style pub.
    Excellent meals but not stuffy at all, and not bogan, if you get what I mean.
    But one of the lovely young slim waters came over to these nice group of young lads and explained that they also serve Fish Tacos.
    I nearly spat out my scotch.
    I’ll give credit to the boys who maintained straight faces until she turned away.
    Maybe they should call their dining area the “Y”.

  93. Craig McLachlan has spoken to the Telegraph.
    His version is heartfelt, intelligent and – to my mind – credible. And I’m not a fan.
    A confident, even brash man with a Benny Hill sense of humour (he says). I suspect his accusers are snowflakes and sour neurotics.

    It has smelt that way from the start.

  94. struth

    Waitresses, bar maids whatever……………………………………FMD this is getting bad.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    we have meat and three veg here, and even worse, I roast my lamb in dripping not vegetable oil.

    We do too. Hairy doesn’t mind some bog Celtic cuisine. My Sainted Mother’s cuisine was slightly more limited albeit of the same style: mince stew and boiled cabbage featured prominently, often cooked by me aged twelve, but also chops with all the fat (yum) and mashed spuds with carrot rounds on Sundays if she wasn’t psychotic that week. In my youth she hadn’t heard of broccoli or other green vegies.

    Our next door neighbor on the public housing estate was Mrs. R., no-one knew her first name, and her five children. Mr. R. was a laborer and occasional brickie, who worried Mrs. R. (as I overheard her telling my mum) by watching the only daughter aged fourteen take her weekly bath. He used to bash the boys around badly, they were always yelling and bruised. I hope they bashed him back as they grew up. A fine traditional family; these days of course Mrs. R. wouldn’t be married, she’d have a range of boyfriends doing the bashing, and the kids would all be on drugs. Later, when we moved to a run-down rental at Colyton (a step up from Mt. Druitt), our closest neighbours were the Bogan Boys, who taught me to drive; hence my excellent burns in my Audi these days up Vaucluse’s ‘heartbreak hill’, so named because it is heart attack central during the City To Surf run.

    Also, from back thread:

    Glad to hear Johanna explain herself re hair and nails. That’s a relief. JC was wrong then?
    JC, that $70m house is literally a stone’s throw from us. I walk by it regularly on my constitutional down to Parsley Bay and over the suspension bridge to Vaucluse House, but Villa Chaos is worth nowhere near that, excellent harbor views and a large block notwithstanding. Phoenix Rising has three blocks and a lot of hype about the building, plus its water frontage and jetty. It’s sheltered behind high security walls.
    Must tell Dat Hairy Irish Gold-Toothed Rat to do better. 🙂
    Agree OCO. Fentanyl was probably the killer of that rock star. It’s brutal on the heart and lungs.

    Mike of Marion, hope you rest easier tonight. One of those big continental pillows and two others might be good to get for your bed to keep you comfortably raised when coughing is bad. I use them when my bronchitis kicks back in – result of childhood neglect – and it’s better than heading for a chair. A pillow under your knees can help stop you slipping down in the night. Thinking of you. xxx

  96. Geriatric Mayfly

    Have read somewhere that sheep in areas of France graze on wild herbs, such as thyme, and this best pleases the gastronome. Here they are let into a paddock of rape, which stinks, eat it to ground level and are then sent to market.

  97. Ugh, so-called lamb in this country is disgusting.

    The oldest substitution racket in the country is the sale of “lamb” to the clueless, i.e. people who live in districts where there are no sheep.
    Substitute “L” for “R” with much of what is sold.

  98. RobK

    And yep, I put 5-6 month old teeny tiny lambs to slaughter, but give me hogget anytime.

    Yep, me too.

  99. struth

    Johanna, as my mum would say, you’ll eat what you are bloody well given and you’ll like it.
    And to this day she has mostly been correct.

    If the left keep wrecking this country the way they are going you’ll be out in the paddocks trying to bring a lamb down with your spear.
    And then you’ll bloody well like your lamb , young lady.

    I just thought I’d tie in the comments about old families and lamb.

    Now, Johanna, I am going to ask you this in all seriousness, as I believe you to be Australian.

    If you cook those lamb chops after dipping them in a bit of flour, eggs and breadcrumbs, how do you feel about them then?

  100. johanna

    OK, it’s Sunday, so we are allowed to talk about gardening.

    Firstly, I am happy to report that the no-name yellow carpet rose is going great guns. Best $7.50 I’ve spent in a long time. Also, the gelsemium sempiverens creeper is rapidly covering the ugly back fence.

    The other night I chanced upon a pair of snails committing an indecent act right outside my back door.

    Hrrumph.

    As you can imagine, they won’t be doing that again. What’s worst, they seemed to be enjoying it, that slimy and sinuous coming together, the lack of care for what anyone thought … err, anyway, it was obscene and needed to be stopped.

    The amount of rutting going on in my back yard is mindblowing. Moths ‘r at it, bees ‘r at it, birds in the trees ‘r at it.

    It can only lead to dancing. 🙂

    Calli or others who know about these things – in Woolies yesterday they had miniature Arum Lilies for sale. If they work, I have just the spot for them. And, old fashioned Arums are pretty much indestructible once established, like Agapanthus. BTW, I have been trying to grow white Aggies from seed, fingers crossed.

    Any views on the miniatures?

  101. struth

    Oh yeah, get out of bed Mike from Marion.
    Stop carrying on.

    You’re like a bloody women.
    There are a lot of people worse off than you, so thank your lucky stars you are not them, and get up.
    Do you want people to call you a sissy?

    This old family stuff is fun.

    Seriously Mike of Marion, get better soon.
    All the best.

  102. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Is the government shutdown a distraction squirrel for the document release?

    Yes.

  103. Tel

    Mix some old mutton with cabbage, boil until soggy, wrap it up in the toughest most leathery pastry known to man, freeze, age to perfection and deep fry… now that’s real Australian grub.

    And once you have seen that girl on the motorbike, there’s no going back.

  104. Old School Conservative

    All this talk of lamb and meat has sent me to Booktopia to buy Adrian Richardson’s Meat.
    Delicious Dinners for Every Night of the Week

  105. Armadillo

    OK, it’s Sunday, so we are allowed to talk about gardening.

    So, how long has this been going on then? Did I miss a crucial vote?

  106. overburdened

    re Craig McLoughlin’s travails in the age of neopuritanism if you are a white hetero bloke*, he describes the episode where he reportedly inserted a stiletto heel of his shoe in Ian Meldrum’s anus as ’embellished’.
    For mine, I think he should count himself lucky not to have slipped and gone in up to his hip.

    * if he ‘likes it both ways’ then for social justice he must be seen as collateral damage.

  107. struth

    Yes, the Chiko roll.

    Disgusting.
    But I ate them and liked them.
    Mainly because they are easy to eat while driving.

  108. Tel

    The local Arab butchers are good with the fresh lamb’s liver, definitely better than Woolworths in that department because liver is not something that either stacks or ages well.

    A bit of lamb’s fry is great for your health, excellent nutrients, improves your bile flow.

    It takes me a few meals to finish off one lamb’s liver and once I eaten that, I cannot go back and face it for several weeks afterwards.

  109. Old School Conservative

    struth
    #2615233, posted on January 21, 2018 at 12:21 pm
    … you’ll eat what you are bloody well given and you’ll like it.

    Exactly the attitude my boarding school had.
    To this day I can’t say no to food.
    Still on the sea food diet.

  110. wind & other VIC SA both around 30MW

    Tell me again. How much are we paying for this shyte ?

  111. Arky

    Have read somewhere that sheep in areas of France graze on wild herbs, such as thyme, and this best pleases the gastronome. Here they are let into a paddock of rape,

    ..
    Aha!
    Finally you Australians admit all this sheep rooting palaver is pure projection.

  112. struth

    Does Hollywood or any in the media actually understand that in airing their dirty laundry, they are airing it to populations who are generally are of a much higher level of maturity and moral conviction than those in an industry that attracts immature attention seeking whores.

  113. Farmer Gez

    Organic Pasture fed lamb
    Nemkat.

    You do realise Organics is a faith based system. Did you pray towards Ultimo before partaking?
    Grain doesn’t make anything bitter. It only forms part of a finishing diet.

  114. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    … you’ll eat what you are bloody well given and you’ll like it.

    LOL I had this discussion with the offspring a few years back because she was horrified at the thought to snags ang veg two nights in a row. I explained that she could suck it up and eat it, and when I was her age it was snags and veg four nights in a row.

    “But what if you didn’t want that? Didn’t you complain?”

    No, because the choice was eat or starve. My parents had it worse. Bread and dripping featured in meal planning in my mum’s childhood.

  115. johanna

    struth, I have no idea what that rant was about.

    I don’t like sheepmeat, and calling an animal which is well into breeding age a ‘lamb’ is simply a lie.

    I am not asking or demanding that anyone agrees with me. What are you so het up about? Chill, and listen to some Tom Petty.

    He made it to a fair age for people in that business, and eventually succumbed to addiction to opioids. FFS, he was taking four different kinds, presumably from four different doctors.

    I’ve never understood the attraction of those drugs, for one thing they make you constipated. Next time you look at one of those gorgeous models, remember that she has three weeks’ worth of shit, in the form of hard pellets, in her colon.

  116. Tel

    Am I the only one here who eats sujuk? Fried with eggs in the morning it really greases the pan (which can’t be a bad thing). There’s enough left to fry your bread to a nice toasty brown. Supposedly it’s made from spiced lamb, but like the legal system it’s better not to ask about the internals.

  117. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Does Hollywood or any in the media actually understand that in airing their dirty laundry, they are airing it to populations who are generally are of a much higher level of maturity and moral conviction than those in an industry that attracts immature attention seeking whores.

    Of course not, Struth. They’re looking for sympathy and understanding. Not consequences.

  118. Gab

    Avoid Carbs Eyrie?
    Bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, fruit and beer.

    Funnily enough, the first treatment doctors turned to when faced with a type 2 diabetic patient was the recommendation to restrict the above items – as well as sugar. Back that advice stopped in the late 1960s replaced by a diet that included lots of the wrong carbs.

  119. struth

    If Craig McLoughlin was gay, anything that he may have done would have been applauded and gushed over as him having a vibrant, fun personality.
    If he was an aboriginal or a mussie…………………………..crickets.

    No one seems to have a problem with what is going on in the third world shitholes to women, and no one cares what goes on in over funded shitholes called aboriginal communities.
    Which actually is vicious abuse.
    Marxist hypocrisy 101.

  120. cohenite

    When I go to the butchers I always ask for a thick cut of whatever I’m getting, loin chops, pork cutlets, extra fat and a viking steaks, bone in. There’s nothing like a viking steak, thick cut with the bone in.

  121. johanna

    If we are talking offal, the chicken livers in garlic at the old Balkan restaurant in Sydney are unbeatable.

    I’m sure the Vitamin B saved me from terminal liver damage in those years. No Berocca back then.

  122. struth

    It was a joke Johanna.
    Read it again.
    I thought you may have worked that out when I called you “young lady”

    And when I said I was tying in old families with the lamb discussion.
    Do you really think I give a shit what you put in your mouth.

    However, if you don’t like crumbed lamb chops, you can’t really call yourself an Australian.

    That also was a joke, (just in case I need to explain)
    Thank god I’m not a comedian for a living.

  123. Snoopy

    Am I the only one here who eats sujuk?

    Sounds interesting. Looks like I have an upcoming drive across Brisbane to the wilds of Woodridge. I think I should ring first.

  124. Chris

    I’ve never understood the attraction of those drugs, for one thing they make you constipated. Next time you look at one of those gorgeous models, remember that she has three weeks’ worth of shit, in the form of hard pellets, in her colon.

    I have no idea what could make a person want to have that thought.

  125. struth

    I’ve never understood the attraction of those drugs, for one thing they make you constipated. Next time you look at one of those gorgeous models, remember that she has three weeks’ worth of shit, in the form of hard pellets, in her colon.

    Bloody hell.
    Thanks for that.

  126. cohenite

    Some images of the quality women out protesting against the greatest POTUS the US has ever had:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1630955386952894&set=pcb.1630956136952819&type=3&theater

  127. Chris

    That also was a joke, (just in case I need to explain)
    Thank god I’m not a comedian for a living.

    struth, you might not be a comedian but your writing is very entertaining.

  128. struth

    Eating too much cake gives yer constipation.

    Gone Fishin’

    Nino Cullotta

  129. nemkat

    You do realise Organics is a faith based system. Did you pray towards Ultimo before partaking?
    Grain doesn’t make anything bitter. It only forms part of a finishing diet.

    1. Market based. The wholesalers will quickly sort the wheat from the chaff. It’s in their best interests to do so.
    2. Ultimo is the spiritual home of The Greens, and they tell us that Organic food is elitist, because it can be dear. Turnbull and his mates are ginning up another Inquiry into Organic Agriculture, which will conclude that there’s no nutritional difference to ”Conventional” Agriculture, it’s a con, and you’re all idiots.
    3. Ruminants are grazers and browsers. Grain isn’t well digested by them, but it does put weight on quickly.
    5. Personal opinion: grain fed beef fried or grilled is much more tender, but also more bitter. Sauce can fix that. Pasture raised lamb roasted is a whole lot sweeter.

  130. johanna

    Thank god I’m not a comedian for a living.

    You got that part right. 🙂

  131. Armadillo

    Been busy trying to sort out a “Rescue Plan” for the local Bowlo I’m on the board of. No doubt you have heard of “The Pub with No Beer”. Well, we’re the club with no patrons.

    Being a finance broker in a previous life, it’s a bit of a shame that despite being a community asset, clubs get treated a whole lot differently to pubs. I’ll give you an example.

    A local publican recently walked into his bank manager and was after $1 million to complete some renovations prior to Country Music week. He has a building valued at $3 million, 14 poker machines and a licqour licence. No worries. They will lend him 60-70% of the property value. Called in the other day for a beer and the renovations have all been done.

    I walked into several banks 12 months previously with exactly the same deal. Property valued at $2.5 million, 14 poker machines and a licqour licence. What do you think they would lend us? Try 10% of the property value and maybe stretch it to 15% maximum.

    No wonder small clubs are struggling or simply closing down.

    Anyway, I think I’ve solved the problem. We’ve got about 2 1/2 acres out the back of the club that we basically mow (it’s worthless). Looks like the council is going to re-zone it to residential for us. The result? The bank will now lend up to 95% of what the land is worth. Big difference.

  132. struth

    You got that part right.

    Tough audience.

  133. struth

    Armadillo

    #2615270, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Do you have those social night bowls to get all the young’ns in?

  134. mh

    The Howard Cabinet subsequently endorsed my recommendation to reduce the African intake from 70 per cent to 30 per cent. This level would enable the people already selected under the program to come to Australia, while turning our attention to the challenges of those struggling with the realities of settlement.

    The United Nations complied with Australia’s request to change the refugee intake. Then Labor got back into power.

  135. John Constantine

    Mediterranean climate Australia can pasture finish lamb in spring, and that is it.

    Some districts can use irrigation, some inside areas summer forage, but grain and hay supplementary finishing works all year around.

    Slower cooking is the key to dining pleasure with mature lamb.

    If time poor, just seat small marinated supermarket cutlets each side. Or bung hoggett in a crockkpot all day, if we still have affordable, reliable electricity.

    Small back of truck meatworks, doing a round of onfarm butchery could be a future solution.

    Cutting the trucking to sale yards/holding pens/meatworks out would be quality enhancing, as would longer carcass hanging.

    The mafia and the regulators like it the way it is now too much to allow high quality change though.

  136. Johanna;

    Oh, and there was a big tin full of dripping in the kitchen.

    In the kids home, cook had a 5 gallon – 20l – bucket with an old wire vegie strainer on top for the half a dozen roasts they would dish up for Sunday dinner. It sat there beside the wood burner stove for about ten years that I recall.
    I’ve tried getting one a bit smaller, but they’re not to be had for love or money.
    Sigh…
    Just had a look on ebay.

  137. struth

    struth, you might not be a comedian but your writing is very entertaining.

    Yeah, their, there, they’re, and sentences chopped and changed so that extra words are added , or the whole thing makes no sense.
    This never happened with pen and paper.
    And it seems that I am in a race to press the Post Comment button for no good reason.
    I blame Nescafe Gold.

  138. Armadillo

    Do you have those social night bowls to get all the young’ns in?

    Apparently the big clubs in Sydney have been packing them in. Pretty popular with the ladies as a dating site. It’s mostly during the day, and they go along with their friends and meet guys. It’s a clever alternative to a nightclub and being out till 3AM with all the weirdos wandering about.

    A few clubs up here have tried it, but it never really took off.

  139. struth

    The United Nations complied with Australia’s request to change the refugee intake. Then Labor got back into power.

    If Australia has to “request” then they are in breach of section 44.
    We may advice the U.N. of our intention to change, but if we are requesting, then therein lies the breach.

  140. johanna

    No, because the choice was eat or starve. My parents had it worse. Bread and dripping featured in meal planning in my mum’s childhood.

    Why all the whining about bread and dripping?

    Bread and speckvet, with a sprinkle of salt, was a treat when I was a child. It still is. Yum.

  141. Farmer Gez

    The Greens, and they tell us that Organic food is elitist.

    What? and What?
    Greens do no such thing.
    Grass and pasture eventually go to head and seed, so ruminants are well able to digest grain.

  142. Mike of Marion;
    Try putting a couple of bricks under the head of the bed legs.
    As long as your feet aren’t swelling, it should help.

  143. Being a finance broker in a previous life, it’s a bit of a shame that despite being a community asset, clubs get treated a whole lot differently to pubs. I’ll give you an example.

    Clubs don’t pay income tax.

    No need for another example.

  144. Arky

    Struth you are one of the few here whose comments I never scroll past.
    No matter bow long, unfunny or boring they are.

  145. C.L.

    Is the government shutdown a distraction squirrel …

    Oh, of course it is.

  146. struth

    A few clubs up here have tried it, but it never really took off.

    Country areas I could understand it wouldn’t.
    City areas and pseudo country like, say, the Barossa valley, or the Hunter, would have enough of the demographic required.

  147. Armadillo

    Besides, I fancy the idea of the club becoming a landlord. I reckon we could probably get a mixture of perhaps 50 units on the site. Once they are paid off, we get a revenue stream from the rent, not to mention patrons right on our doorstep. It will secure our future for years.

    You don’t make much money out of lawn bowls unless it’s a bunch of pissheads from another club coming for a carnival.

  148. Joe

    Is the government shutdown a distraction squirrel …

    No, it’s the Dem’s providing further ammunition to the GOP and most especially the President.

  149. Oh come on

    Here’s a good one, via Insty – Heartland Democrats to Washington: You’re Killing Us

    The report, “Hope from the Heartland: How Democrats Can Better Serve the Midwest by Bringing Rural, Working Class Wisdom to Washington

    Anyway, there’s a bit of rural, working class wisdom contained in the article, much to its author’s discomfort:

    Goodin ran into a man wearing a well-worn cap with a well-known slogan: “Make America Great Again.” Delmis Burns, I would learn later, drives a truck for a living and has known Goodin for more than 40 years and votes for him every time he runs because Burns, despite his preference in the presidential race, is in fact a Democrat. The two men fell into easy banter, and it didn’t take long for Trump to come up. Burns is still pleased with his choice. “They give ’im hell,” he said, “and he gives it back.” At some point, Burns began talking about the time he was asked at work to train a new driver who was Muslim. He refused. “They’re taught to be nice to you,” he told Goodin, “and then they blow you up.” The comment floated uncomfortably between the two men, although maybe it was just me who felt like that—and the gregarious Burns soon was talking instead about his hat, and some guff he had gotten from somebody who wanted to “knock that off your head,” he said. “I told him, ‘Everybody’s gotta be doing somethin’ when the good Lord calls.’”

    It was probably just you.

    Make that nope from the heartland. Somehow, I don’t think the Dems will be interested, anyway.

  150. Armadillo

    Clubs don’t pay income tax.

    Typical greedy publican. They also don’t stuff their profits in their back pocket.

  151. johanna

    Slower cooking is the key to dining pleasure with mature lamb.

    Mature lamb?

    What has been described as ‘lamb’ here is sheepmeat, pure and simple.

    I don’t care what people like to eat – that’s up to them.

    But in Australia, anything that is not mutton is apparently ‘lamb.’

    Give me a break.

  152. struth

    Struth you are one of the few here whose comments I never scroll past.
    No matter bow long, unfunny or boring they are.

    Gee thanks……………………………………………

  153. C.L.

    If the GOP doesn’t release the memo for all to see, they are a pack of wuss bags.

    Not necessarily.
    The fact that it hasn’t been leaked probably underlines the seriousness of its revelations. The GOP doesn’t want to derail any legal corollaries or allow the media to dismiss it all as Republican ‘smears’ etc. If its contents are as explosive as claimed, far better to prosecute its charges slowly and methodically.

  154. nemkat

    What? and What?
    Greens do no such thing.

    They most certainly do.
    Organic food is Elitist, dontcha know, because the poor people can’t afford it.
    Try to remember this important point, Farmer Gez. The Greens are opposed to free choice in everything.
    Have a gander at their website.
    You’ll probably find many of their positions coincide with yours.

  155. struth

    Struth you are one of the few here whose comments I never scroll past.
    No matter bow long, unfunny or boring they are.

    When you are putting up with one of my boring rants, just remember that it means Mrs Struth is not.
    Do it for the wimminses.

  156. mh

    If Australia has to “request” then they are in breach of section 44.
    We may advice the U.N. of our intention to change, but if we are requesting, then therein lies the breach.

    The UN decides which refugees arrive here under the refugee settlement program that Australia is signed up to. The Howard government requested that they change the mix, that’s all. We don’t tell the UN each year what percentage of of the quota come from which continent. I believe that is how it all works.

  157. Arky

    When you are putting up with one of my boring rants, just remember that it means Mrs Struth is not.

    ..
    Just tell me more about your Australian paddocks of rape sheep.

  158. Delta A

    That type of family is gone forever, which is a pity.

    Not so.

    I know one family who, apart from being Catholic, fit that description. Stay at home mum and working dad, four children under 16 and Nanna all share the same house. Two children in each bedroom, top and tailing when guests stay over. Home cooked meals every day, eaten together at the dining room table, often with a few ring-ins squashed in on foldaway seats.

    I spent a day there last week looking after the six year old boy and Nanna while the girls went clothes shopping with Mum and Dad. Strict $250.00 budget, and a list of all the op shops in the region.

    Their joy as they showed me their purchases and paraded their pre-loved bargains was absolutely heartwarming.

  159. Clubs don’t pay income tax.

    Difficult to challenge this, as it is true.

    Typical greedy publican. They also don’t stuff their profits in their back pocket.

    They’ve first paid income tax.
    Spot the difference?

  160. Farmer Gez

    Organic vs Science.

    Phosphate rock treated with sulfuric acid to create water solubility is banned by organics.
    You can use processed rock phosphate though, they call it reactive rock (it isn’t).
    Unless you have highly acidic soil, fertilising with reactive rock will only result in the P binding to iron in the soil and becoming mostly unavailable to plants.
    A faith based system as I said.

  161. RobK

    Bread and speckvet, with a sprinkle of salt, was a treat when I was a child. It still is. Yum.

    Yes, bacon fat does wonders in mashed potatoes too.

  162. Tom

    Johanna, to cure your hatred of “sheep meat”, I’d suggest a rack of lamb from Aldi (around $20/kg — half what the others are charging): 35 minutes in a hot oven, then serve (medium rare) with a couple of tablespoons of Masterfoods mint jelly ($3) and steamed asparagus ($3) with melted butter and cracked pepper and you have a feed fit for a king (sorry, queen). Unbeatable, IMO.

  163. nemkat

    Farmer Gez
    #2615304, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    Organic vs Science.

    Science, eh? Isn’t that another way of saying ”Baffle em with bullshit”?
    The proof of the pudding is in the eating, or to put it another way, ”You can taste the difference.”’

  164. struth

    The Howard government requested

    Subservience is the issue here.

    If the Howard government “advised”, different story.
    When you sign a treaty with a foreign power, you can advise, as a free nation of your intention to change the situation.
    Either the treaty then becomes history or the other party accepts, and adjusts the treaty accordingly.
    What is not acceptable is “asking” or requesting in any way shape or form.
    It seems trivial but it is at the crux of all our problems and it is this subservience that is the real issue.
    We can use section 44 here.
    Not that we will, and not that the global socialists haven’t gained enough clout as to dismiss it entirely, but it’s a bit like our previous discussion about Wayne Glew.
    He makes some very interesting points and is correct with much of it, but seemed to be unaware of the basic fact that there is one side of the contract between the government and the people that get to interpret the constitution.
    The side with the guns.

  165. johanna

    Armadillo
    #2615293, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    Clubs don’t pay income tax.

    Typical greedy publican. They also don’t stuff their profits in their back pocket.

    Armadillo, what planet do you live on?

    Clubs have been hiring and overpaying mates for decades. I discovered recently that a club that I am a member of has handed the restaurant concession to the son of the previous holder, no tenders required. When I queried this, I was told that it was a small club, like a family, really. I am still contemplating whether to take them to the regulatory body.

    More broadly, in NSW clubs became big-time money-laundering operations via their poker machines. There is plenty of material on that, for example the St George Leagues Club. The many and useless but very well paid functionaries featured heavily in that story.

    No doubt the founders of the clubs meant well, but most clubs have been taken over by crooks and chancers.

    I expect that the genuine ones went broke long ago.

  166. mh

    I wonder if the term shithole will be added to the Macquarie Dictionary following it’s repeated use by the MSM?

  167. Makka

    Trump’s immediate escalation and calling out the Dems for what they are – cowardly traitors and anti- American- sits in stark contrast to the feeble jelly backs in our Gov’t.

    When faced with obstruction , he gets out hard and hammers the opposition. Making sure the public understands what the gangreens and leftslime are doing to their nation.Here it’s all smiles and pissweak sniping , media innuendo and the odd comment – followed by back down and apology when the leftist media turds throw out a few nasty lines.

    Why the difference? Trump’s Presidency is not a Uniparty construct. At times he is as much at war with his own jelly backed GOP as he is with the traitorous Dems. Until we rid ourselves of the Uniparty here, there is no hope at all. None.

  168. Gab

    Roast Leg of lamb recipe from a Kiwi: season the lamb with whatever you want. Wrap the leg in alfoil. Place in roasting pan with about 1 cup water. Place in 150degC oven and leave for about 3 to 4 hours depending on size. Last 20 minutes, remove foil and turn up oven to about 200deg C.

    Melt in your mouth lamb.

  169. Armadillo

    Spot the difference?

    They pay every other tax, of which there are plenty. And all their staff pay income tax.

    Any profits earned must be returned to the members/community in the form of better facilities/donations and so on.

    Spot the difference?

  170. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Armadillo

    #2615270, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Do you have those social night bowls to get all the young’ns in?

    Barefoot bowls is fun, too.

  171. zyconoclast

    Ugh, so-called lamb in this country is disgusting.

    The oldest substitution racket in the country is the sale of “lamb” to the clueless, i.e. people who live in districts where there are no sheep.
    Substitute “L” for “R” with much of what is sold.

    I don’t eat lamb/hogget/mutton so I can’t get duped.

    So what does the R mean? Is there an M for mutton?

  172. Dave in Marybrook

    Organic- Halal for whitey.
    I object on Animal Rights grounds- denying stock veterinary science is cruel and unusual.
    Jettisoned Organic Xxxxxxsulphur and copper from the vineyard a few years ago- mainly due to my athsma, also beginning to see buildup of S and Cu toxicity and related bug imbalance after 130 years of use (yep, and I do mean many decades before the Margaret River Doctors’ Pique songlines).
    I now have a rotating and adaptable program of organic sprays- ie based on carbon, hydrogen and oxygen with admittedly a bit of organophosphates, organochlorides and neo-nicotinoids, and was running a facebook series of apex predators spotted in the vines.
    I’d love to find a good figure on the amount of fuel saved v Organic soaking system. There was a report of erosion in the mid west US and Brazillian Pampas from Organic farms tilling pasture lands so much…

  173. Armadillo

    When I queried this, I was told that it was a small club, like a family, really. I am still contemplating whether to take them to the regulatory body.

    Please do.

  174. Farmer Gez

    Nemkat.
    Are you telling me you can taste the difference between conventional pasture fed meat and organic pasture meat? They’ve done blind tests on this sort of thing and without the stickers and high prices, few if any could pick the difference.
    You’re baffling yourself.

  175. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Winston Smith
    #2615277, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    OMG I need one of those. We had a little one, just a litre – litre and a half when I was growing up.

  176. mh

    This may have been mentioned by someone as it seems fairly obvious, the Democrats have shutdown government to deflect from Trump’s first anniversary as President. Cry babies.

  177. struth

    Roast Leg of lamb recipe from a Kiwi: season the lamb with whatever you want. Wrap the leg in alfoil. Place in roasting pan with about 1 cup water. Place in 150degC oven and leave for about 3 to 4 hours depending on size. Last 20 minutes, remove foil and turn up oven to about 200deg C.

    Melt in your mouth lamb.

    Not really just a Kiwi way of doing it, though.

    Kiwis are about to work out how the whole nation can be effected by just placing one bun in the wrong oven.

  178. Dave in Marybrook

    Post a link please, Nemkat.
    If you can.

  179. Armadillo

    More broadly, in NSW clubs became big-time money-laundering operations via their poker machines.

    How does that differ from pubs? Are they somehow more saintly than clubs?

    You are talking about criminal activity and laws not being enforced. You get bad apples everywhere, even on councils (shock horror).

  180. Chris

    Yes, bacon fat does wonders in mashed potatoes too.

    Truffles.

    Truffled mash, with a ridiculously slow-braised lamb (oh sorry) sheep shank.

    Our anniversary dinner, three years ago at the Gold Plated ‘Chapter One’ in Subiaco – before some poor sod bought the restaurant off the owner-workers and couldn’t staff it.

    Australia needs more national dishes and this should be a hot contender.

  181. Armadillo

    Roast Leg of lamb recipe from a Kiwi: season the lamb with whatever you want. Wrap the leg in alfoil. Place in roasting pan with about 1 cup water. Place in 150degC oven and leave for about 3 to 4 hours depending on size. Last 20 minutes, remove foil and turn up oven to about 200deg C.

    Melt in your mouth lamb.

    And here I was thinking Sunday was “Gardening Day”.

    #confusedandhungry

  182. calli

    That Kiwi recipe is the way cooks have done the Sunday roast for years. Put the joint in on low temp covered in foil, push off to church, come back to fragrant house. Turn up heat whack in the veggies and finish the meat in a new pan with the old one on the top for gravy making.

    I’m doing low and slow Greek style shoulder on Friday. Lots of olive oil, rosemary, thyme, garlic and lemons. You use two forks to cut it. I have some rather nice wine grown from Greek vines to serve with it (chilled, natch).

  183. They pay every other tax, of which there are plenty. And all their staff pay income tax.
    Any profits earned must be returned to the members/community in the form of better facilities/donations and so on.
    Spot the difference?

    Yes, I can spot it. Anybody can.
    A group has been given rights to effectively casino operations in the suburbs.
    They pay no income tax. None.

    Quite a difference.

    (And not all those “other taxes” are paid at the same rate as the rest of the community – a significant tax is paid at a far lower rate)

    In other words, clubs have a free ride.
    Why do so many of them go bust?

  184. nemkat

    Dave in Marybrook
    #2615316, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:49 pm
    Organic- Halal for whitey.

    Keep telling yourself that, Dave.
    Looking in the Bottlo, Biodynamic wine fetches a nice price.
    Whether the effort to produce it is justified by the return, only the farmer knows.
    But as long as they keep making it, i’ll keep buying it occasionally.

  185. Joe

    Australia needs more national dishes and this should be a hot contender.

    Australia does not have a national cuisine, because it was invaded and colonised by the British. More properly Australian cuisine was British cuisine. Recently, European nations and Asian nation immigrants have added to the cuisine. But make no mistake, this is not Australian cuisine. It’s British, Italian, French, Swede, German, Austrian, Slav, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian cuisine.

  186. Top Ender

    Commemorating the sinking of the submarine I-124 off Darwin on 20 January 1942.

    She was lost in combat against the corvette HMAS Deloraine, captained by Lieutenant Commander Desmond Menlove. The 80 men of the I-124 still lie outside Darwin Harbour today, with their captain Lieutenant Commander Kishigami. Although they were our enemy in a ferocious battle of ship versus sub, they fought well and with honour – Rest In Peace.

  187. Armadillo

    Why do so many of them go bust?

    A pertinent question, Steve. I believe it’s been 400 odd in the past 15 years.

    I’d be pointing the finger at poor management. You generally have a board of 6-8 volunteers without the slightest idea of how to run a business.

  188. Farmer Gez

    Biodynamic.
    That’s where they bury a cow horn packed with shite and leave it a while for the cosmic rays to work their magic and then mix the contents with lukewarm water at the full moon phase, then spaying it onto the pasture for the dilute to boost microbiological activity.
    It’s the agricultural equivalent of homeopathy.

  189. Rae

    The fact that it hasn’t been leaked probably underlines the seriousness of its revelations.

    More likely there’s been no leaks cos it’s a nothingburger.

  190. Armadillo

    It’s British, Italian, French, Swede, German, Austrian, Slav, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian cuisine.

    Where does kangaroo thrown on a campfire fit in?

    Oh wait. I guess you really couldn’t call that “cuisine”.

  191. nemkat

    Dave in Marybrook
    I can tell the difference between pasture fed meat and lot fed meat. That’s not a big claim, anyone could.
    Between Organic Pasture raised and Pasture raised?
    I don’t know. Would it matter?
    Pasture raised meat is always going to taste better than lot fed meat.
    Is it more healthy?
    Ruminants have been grazing and having a browse for Millennia.
    They’ve been raised in Feedlots on grain for how long?
    No way they can digest grain properly, therefore the meat must be lacking nutrition.

  192. struth

    But make no mistake, this is not Australian cuisine. It’s British, Italian, French, Swede, German, Austrian, Slav, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Indian cuisine.

    All cultures food has been influenced by other cultures.
    It started when we started farming non native species.
    Only groups that never really farmed can claim a cuisine.
    You know, like aboriginals and witchety grubs.

    We put toast underneath our Hot English breakfast and I mean really, how awesome was that?
    Look at the great Aussie Hamburger, complete with egg and beetroot.
    Surely a hamburger is not Australian but an Australian style hamburger is?

  193. RobK

    Australia needs more national dishes and this should be a hot contender.

    Roo tail soup is hard to beat.

  194. struth

    Most pasture fed beef is fattened up in a feed lot before it is slaughtered.

  195. Snoopy

    Why do so many of them go bust?

    – Free drinks for staff and regulars.
    – Don’t worry about Dave, he’s good bloke.
    – Don’t worry about Liz, she’s a good barmaid.
    – Selling price controls? Wassat?

  196. struth

    I best go and do something in the real world.

  197. Dave in Marybrook

    I’m well aware of the higher prices for Biodynemkat and Orgagriggs…. I’m also well aware of the price tag for Halal and Kosher. And any Margaret River cat’s piss S Blanc commands a bit more than Murimbidgee too- it’s an association thing.
    ….so where’s that link?

  198. Armadillo

    You speak the truth, Snoops.

  199. Arky

    It isn’t British cuisine.
    It is Australian cuisine which is derived from British cuisine as it was when the country was colonised.
    Which is not the same thing.
    For example, commercial baked goods in the US, Britain, Australia and NZ are totally different recipes.
    I really miss NZ cakes, pies and donuts.
    Completely different to the Australian versions although the timeline of settlement wasn’t too much later.
    .

  200. Top Ender

    Food here in India is very interesting.

    But when returning to Oz late next week I am hoping Mrs TE will cook her traditional meal of four small lamb chops each, grilled to the extent the fat is crunchy.

    Yum!

  201. Armadillo

    Snoopy could get a job in a Bowlo. He doesn’t even wear pants and no-one would give a stuff.

  202. struth

    All this talk of solid food must be getting to you, topender!

  203. Mark from Melbourne

    …I’d suggest a rack of lamb from Aldi (around $20/kg — half what the others are charging): 35 minutes in a hot oven, then serve (medium rare) with a couple of tablespoons of Masterfoods mint jelly ($3) and steamed asparagus ($3) with melted butter and cracked pepper…

    Tom, is there something sockish you’re trying to tell us?

    And whilst I have you, thanks for the always amusing start to the day that your expert curating of the world’s illustrators brings. It really is one of the finest features of the Cat.

  204. nemkat

    struth
    #2615341, posted on January 21, 2018 at 2:13 pm
    Most pasture fed beef is fattened up in a feed lot before it is slaughtered.

    That would be correct.
    However, it couldn’t honestly be marketed as Pasture Raised if the beast was finished off in a feedlot.

  205. johanna

    mh
    #2615300, posted on January 21, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    If Australia has to “request” then they are in breach of section 44.
    We may advice the U.N. of our intention to change, but if we are requesting, then therein lies the breach.

    The UN decides which refugees arrive here under the refugee settlement program that Australia is signed up to. The Howard government requested that they change the mix, that’s all. We don’t tell the UN each year what percentage of of the quota come from which continent. I believe that is how it all works.

    The utterly corrupt UN ‘decides’?

    Sez who?

    As a sovereign nation, we should decide.

  206. Arky

    Same with accents.
    The diffefent accents in different colonies are derived from the language as it was spoken at the time of colonisation.
    You can bet American English is closer to how it was spoken in 1700s England

  207. egg_

    Looking forward to more equality in sport and the female tennis players playing best of 5 instead of 3 sets for same money as the men.

    +1

    Or get clobbered by a guy in a wheelchair.

  208. Mark from Melbourne

    Any other Melbournibad Cats heading to the Aust Conservative’s Australia Day BBQ at Kevin Bartlett Reserve?

  209. Armadillo

    All this talk of solid food must be getting to you, topender!

    Hopefully he remembers how to use a knife and fork instead of his fingers.

  210. Farmer Gez

    If I finished my lambs on oaten hay and barley would you taste the difference from feeding them on wheaten hay with lentil seconds as I’m currently doing?
    I’ll go Halal, then we can all agree it’s better.

  211. nemkat

    ….so where’s that link?
    What link would you like, Dave in Marybrook?

  212. Arky

    Or take scones v biscuits v cookies.
    I bet americans call scones biscuits because that is what biscuits were before bulk cheap sugar.

  213. Dave in Marybrook

    In unrelated affairs-
    I’ve been taking the chance to blast out some You Am I / Tim Rogers.
    Essential albums- Dress Me Slowly, 2001. Or 2002. Widescreen, self-assured, bombastic and genuinely affecting- “Beautiful Girl” might have been a hit single and redemptive eternal anthem to follow the overexposed “Heavy Heart” from #4 Record. Also references Grand Final Day, what’s not to love?
    And solo with the Temperance Union, Spit Polish… 2004ish? Might have made him into Australia’s Tom Petty if he hadn’t acted like such a douche through the accompanying tour. “Fiction” even has me singing along to “they’re throwing kids in the drink…” Ends with “Damn Songs” duet with Lisa Miller- the same chord progression as every second TR song, but what the hell, he’s got heart.

  214. calli

    I will add to Tom’s Aldifest. They are selling duck fat. Dunno the price. Don’t tell anyone. 🤫

  215. calli

    No. They call scones biscuits because they call biscuits cookies.

  216. testpattern

    Do we really really want a quad with these guys

    Indian nuclear sub sinks

    ‘The Hindu reported that India’s only operational nuclear ballistic missile submarine, INS Arihant, was out of action for about 10 months last year due to an accident… the news item stated that the Arihant’s propulsion compartment was damaged after water entered it, as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake…The submarine has no hatches there.
    …the absence of Arihant from operations came to the political leadership’s attention during the India-China military standoff at Dokalam when India allegedly wanted to deploy it. This is unlikely as this would mean an across-the-board failure of intelligence and of the checks and balances in place. It also means the armed forces not keeping the civilian leadership in the loop, which is against the former’s operating procedures.’

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/deep-diving-into-the-facts-about-ins-arihant-accident/articleshow/62468708.cms

  217. Snoopy

    If I finished my lambs on oaten hay and barley would you taste the difference from feeding them on wheaten hay with lentil seconds as I’m currently doing?

    No, but South African lamb is raised in semi-desert browsing country, not pasture. It has a very distinctive flavour. Marvellous.

  218. calli

    Aaargh. I’ve been low carb (apart from a little tipple here and there) for the last two weeks trying to lose some Christmas Condition.

    All this talk of baked goods is driving me crazy.

  219. Arky

    No. They call scones biscuits because they call biscuits cookies

    .,
    They call biscuits cookies because they were already using the word biscuit for scones.

  220. Armadillo

    Just reading about Bernardi and the leftie outrage he caused the other day.

    Can anyone at the Cat think of the names of Australian celebrities/music artists that are conservative leaning? It might come in handy for a future project I’m planning.

    I’d imagine it’s a very short list (if Hollywood is anything to go by)?

  221. Arky

    All this talk of baked goods is driving me crazy.

    ..
    Go eat a lamb.

  222. Chris

    Food here in India is very interesting.

    Yes, a good description.
    I hope its good too. After a while it seems like its all Indian food. But interesting.

    But when you can get it its great to have really fresh Kashmiri nan from a tandoor; Kerala parotta; dosai and all those great dishes made for the Australian taste in Australian restaurants. Like Lamb Rogan Josh.

  223. overburdened

    Someone must stand up for the nations traditional dishes-
    Any critter capable of being caught and thrown into a fire as is, no prep necessary, dragged out when charred on the outside regardless of the internal temperature then ripped in to.
    Sugar ants au natural
    Honey from native bees
    Pandanus au natural
    Various berries and seeds, often so bitter they make your mouth assume the shape of a cats bum.
    I think the simplicity would work for time poor office folk, and the au natural thing is a lay down misere for the unimaginative. A bit light on dietary fibre and nutrients, made up for with Coca Cola, grog and Chicken Treat.

  224. struth

    Pasture-raised animals receive a significant portion of their nutrition from organically managed pasture and stored dried forages. Unlike 100% grass-fed cows, pasture-raised cows may receive supplemental organic grains, both during the grazing season and into winter months.

    And just before they meet their moo-ker, they’re stuffed full of grain.
    These are the things us dumb truck drivers know about the world.

  225. nemkat

    If I finished my lambs on oaten hay and barley would you taste the difference from feeding them on wheaten hay with lentil seconds as I’m currently doing?
    I’ll go Halal, then we can all agree it’s better.

    The meat would still be bitter, so i’d be giving it a miss.
    As far as Halal goes, please yourself, it’s none of my business.
    You’ll taste a difference between Kosher meat and Halal/conventional meat though, that’s for sure.
    Can you tell me the answer to this?
    Lamb in the local supermarket is $9.00/kg for leg and shoulder, about $20.00 for chops. Another commenter was saying he got $6.60/kg for lambs from the processors.
    At those prices, would the supermarkets be taking a big loss on Lamb?

  226. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Any other Melbournibad Cats heading to the Aust Conservative’s Australia Day BBQ at Kevin Bartlett Reserve?

    I had no plans for Oz Day, but need to check what the offspring wants to do. After the last year, I need to get out more.

  227. Gab

    Not cover the roasting pan with fol, Calli, she actually wraps the leg itself in foil. I’ve never heard of that method before.

  228. johanna

    I really miss NZ cakes, pies and donuts.

    Dunno about that, but for more than 20 years I have missed Italian pastries from the Leichhardt area.

    The cannoli, yup, but mainly the vanilla slice.

    A decent vanilla slice is the Holy Grail where I live.

  229. Makka

    3 hours of L a m b.

    Anything missed?

  230. Dave in Marybrook

    Armadillo-
    Had that Mick Thomas bloke around the other day, you know him from Weddings Parties Anything, that wrote “Fathers’ Day” and “Monday’s Experts”. Teariness for “Fathers’ Day”.
    Mind you, he had the good sense to not play “Anthem”, which could be the Q&A theme song.

  231. overburdened

    IMHO the best meat I have tried was Kudu on the veldt. Bloody yum alright.

  232. struth

    Whatever we like to say about South Australia, they have bloody excellent bakeries.

    Try the Gawler Bakery, Truro, Hahndorf, Waikerie Bakery and any others you accidently come across in your travels.
    Wash down with Farmer’s union Iced coffee.
    South Australia is the only state that drinks more iced coffee than coke.
    Farmer’s union is the cause for this.
    Farmer’s Union Iced Coffee is now produced in other states.
    It’s not the same.
    Be wary of cheap imitations.

    Back to SA bashing.

  233. nemkat

    Snot block? Meh
    Cremesh is the best.

  234. A pertinent question, Steve. I believe it’s been 400 odd in the past 15 years.
    I’d be pointing the finger at poor management. You generally have a board of 6-8 volunteers without the slightest idea of how to run a business.

    The name is Serena. (I recommend an optical consultation)
    You’re spot on in my view. (Snoopy colourises your comment)
    Add to that: Lack of accountability. Lack of personal consequences. Malfeasance by management.
    When the ship goes down, there are no consequences for those who made the arbitrary decisions that led to the collapse.
    One of the banes of the life of those who deal with Clubs is the meatheads they very often have to deal with.
    The Australian Registered Club may well be the only place in the world where an actual illiterate can be a corporate director. Flying high on Saturday, Monday back to their minimum wage job street sweeping for the municipality.

    There’s been about Five Club collapses, maybe Seven, in my town since I’ve been here. (Very few get as far as having liquidators appointed)
    Only one was due, or partially due, to malfeasance by management.

  235. Tom

    Mark of Melbourne, I confess: I occasionally shop at the same chain as Googleory and his sockpuppets. There is some produce like Australian-grown lamb racks you just can’t bugger up so you might as well get the best price.
    On that subject, re Snoopy’s 2.32pm post on South African lamb, I’ve heard that lamb grown in the saltbush country around the Coorong in South Australia is absolutely delici0us as saltbush is almost as good a lamb cure as thyme.
    #Spacechook.

  236. Armadillo

    Had that Mick Thomas bloke around the other day

    More thinking of Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban. Raving lefties? I don’t know. Russell Crowe’s missus is from Tamworth. Is he a raving leftie?

    IIRC, Angry Anderson ran for parliament as a Liberal, but he could be just be stark raving mad.

    Struth having organised the convoy might have a better idea.

  237. Farmer Gez

    Can you tell me the answer to this?

    Nope I can’t. Your taste buds are your own but to state that grain ration meat tastes bitter recquires more than just your opinion Nemkat. The buyers seem to like it and premium Wagyu is as fatty and grain fed as you can get.

  238. Armadillo

    The name is Serena. (I recommend an optical consultation)

    And conversely, I recommend a head examination.

  239. Farmer Gez

    Nippy’s OJ from SA is great too Struth.

  240. IIRC, Angry Anderson ran for parliament as a Liberal National, but he could be just be stark raving mad.

  241. And conversely, I recommend a head examination.

    On what grounds?
    Don’t be gettin’ all JC on us now.

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