Obamagate: Shameful and a disgrace

Suppose we start with this simple question: Is it appropriate for a president to use the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election?

No one will say yes to that. So let us move on to another question: Is it a form of intolerable corruption to find that a president has actually used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election?

To that question, everyone will say yes. It is absolutely an intolerable form of corruption. So let us ask one further question: If there is evidence that a president has used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election, do you think such a claim should be investigated?

To this question, the answer is unfortunately becoming quite quite clear, but it is not the same answer for everyone. For parties of the left, along with the media, this is the answer: if the president who is accused of spying on the opposition is from a party of the right, then the answer is yes, it should be looked into as deeply and relentlessly as our forensic tools allow; but if it is a president from a party of the left, then the answer is no, absolutely not. For everyone else, of course, the answer is yes, this should be investigated as thoroughly as possible because protecting constitutional democratic order must be our highest priority.

And that, I am afraid, that division between left and right, is the largest most intractable problem in politics today.

When I heard PDT say that the actions by the FBI and Department of Justice were that “people should be ashamed” my first thought was that shame was too weak. But then while I was thinking about the release of the memo, the thought that came into my head was that those who see nothing in all this worth worrying about, even as an abstract proposition, really were a disgrace and ought to feel genuine shame at their inability to understand what has been done and for which they are more than willing to give the all clear. The Democrats in collusion with the FBI and others were actively attempting to undermine and subvert the democratic process, the only process that gives a community its political freedom. Anyone not scandalised by such actions have shown themselves willing to let others take and hold power without the consent of the governed. They are fascists, Nazis, totalitarians. And to what purpose? In support of the most corrupt person ever to have run for president, to permit Hillary Clinton to continue the ruin Barack Obama had done so much to create.

This is the post I wrote a year ago that was recalled to life by Dr Fred Lenin. It was written on January 12, 2017, that is, even before the inauguration, even then titled, The Deep State, which must therefore have been a phrase already in use. The anti-democratic political instincts and actions of such people should deeply worry if not actually terrify anyone who values freedom and prosperity, which these people clearly do not. I am unable to discover where any compensating good for those who not just ignore these actions but actually condemn efforts to bring them to light, who are unable to see the crisis they have created by endorsing the actions of a sitting president to employ the powers a president has to destroy the democratic processes he was elected to protect. Here is the post I wrote then.

MEDIA AND CIA FALL FOR ‘GOLDEN SHOWER’ HOAX…
TAPPER, BLITZER RATTLED…
YOU’RE ACTING LIKE NAZIS, TRUMP TELLS SPY CHIEFS…
Russian tech expert named in report never even contacted!
GREENWALD: ‘Deep State’ Sabotage…

The last of these comes with the actual title, “The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer”. Here is the opening text, but I have to say this is terrifying and in no sense politics as usual, unless this really is politics as usual, although we have never before seen it revealed so openly.

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

“Morally bankrupt” it most certainly is and then some. “Certain to backfire on those doing it” is very optimistic. If this is how things are, Nazi is not going too far in describing what is going on. If the evidence were not before our eyes of the way in which the media and the CIA have worked with the Democrats to undermine Trump’s authority you would think all of this is impossible.

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92 Responses to Obamagate: Shameful and a disgrace

  1. stackja

    JFK/LBJ ‘won’ by rigging. Then MSM got Nixon/Ford. Carter employed some strange people. Reagan was the boss. Bush? Clinton? Bush? BO? DT!

  2. Porcelain Monkey

    “When the President does it, that means that it’s not illegal.” – Richard M. Nixon

  3. pbw

    Also from Eisenhower’s farewell address.

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

    “…public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

    “…a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”

  4. JC

    Can I ask a question out loud here.

    We can be quite to saying for certain that Trump paid off a porn star not to blabber about a leg over is likely to to be true. She did! How exactly do we know that pissgate isn’t true?

  5. JC

    whoops We can be quite certain saying…

  6. Old School Conservative

    JC…” we can be quite certain…likely to be true.”

    Do you hedge your share positions too?

  7. a happy little debunker

    JC #2629242, posted on February 6, 2018 at 10:31 am

    Equally, how do we know that you have stopped beating your wife?

  8. max

    Here’s what the memo really shows us:
    First, the memo demonstrates that there is a “deep state” that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence. Candidate Trump’s repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget.

    Second, the memo shows us that neither Republicans nor Democrats really care that much about surveillance abuse when average Americans are the victims.

    They didn’t want Americans to know how corrupt the surveillance system really is and how the US has become far too much like East Germany.

    Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used “Russia-gate” as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscow’s assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling.
    But don’t worry: the neocons in both parties will soon find another excuse to keep us terrified and ready to flush away a trillion dollars a year on military spending and continue our arguments and new “Cold War” with Russia.
    Dr. Ron Paul

    https://mises.org/wire/what-fbifisa-memo-really-tells-us-about-our-government

  9. Indolent

    How exactly do we know that pissgate isn’t true?

    Trump is obsessive about cleanliness. Whatever his faults and quirks, “golden showers” would not be among them.

    And that’s if you even take the “dossier”, with all we now know of its provenance, seriously.

  10. OneWorldGovernment

    a happy little debunker
    #2629280, posted on February 6, 2018 at 11:09 am

    JC #2629242, posted on February 6, 2018 at 10:31 am

    Equally, how do we know that you have stopped beating your wife?

    LOL

    I’m quite certain that JC hasn’t stopped beating his wife!

    Notice the difference JC.

    From all that I have read of Trump over the years he didn’t need to ‘hide’ whom he was with.

    It’s all on public record.

  11. JC

    That’s a logical fault, Debunker. I’ve never beaten my wife. Trump paid a porn star for sex, so it’s out of the field to consider the possibility of pissgate.

  12. Roger W

    The Democrat “Boss” Tweed and Tammany Hall in the mid 19th century already foreshadowed the path the Democrats have followed to this day. 50 years ago, Mayor Daley in Chicago was a great example of the continuation of this corruption in the Democratic Party, ably continued today by the present mayor and former Obama White House Chief of Staff, Emanuel Rahm.
    Democrats and corruption have unfortunately long been bedfellows.
    For all their flaws, it always seems to be Republican Presidents, whether Eisenhower, Reagan or, now, Trump, who have to attempt the cleaning of the Augean Stables.

  13. Louis

    The problem with the American right is that they don’t like each-other and won’t coordinate actions/cooperate. The strength of the American left is their coordination. When they want to spread BS they can instantly have 100 sources sprouting the same BS and so people (being naturally lazy) assume multiple sources must mean it’s true/news worthy even if none of them provide any evidence or even if what they say is self-evidently false. They promote each-other’s causes or, at the very least, stay out of the way. You see on the right they are on their own and often have to fend off attacks from their own side as well.

    The current problem of the left of tripping over themselves is not intentional and typically comes from someone on the right (or just sick of the left) who applies their own rules against them.

    Another problem is that the right seem to think a standard is an objective standard for everyone. The left only develop and apply standards for their opposition, not for themselves. At every opportunity it needs to be pointed out they don’t live up to their own standard and don’t have any intention of doing so (to counter their ‘yes I failed, but it’s still my aspiration’ argument). And by every opportunity I mean everywhere, at your home (especially with your teenagers) at your work place and in your social sphere.

    ‘You can’t even get your own act together but you demand I act in accordance with your ideas about how to save the world’. followed by some examples of sh*t they do in their own lives. If nothing else you might actually encourage them to clean up their own act out of spite.

  14. Indolent

    Candidate Trump’s repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget.

    The only problem with this is that it was Obama who was deliberating decimating the military and Trump who want to build it up again as a genuine fighting force.

    There’s much more to it than that.

  15. OneWorldGovernment

    The Trump Administration is now interfering in the Russian elections.

    Thus, the Trump Administration is likely to gain a significant lever of influence on the political and economic elite of Russia. If it is put to efficient use, it will be possible to shake the monolithic power structure created by Putin, and seed distrust among the ruling elite of the country. If we take into account the fact that this process takes place on the eve of the presidential elections in Russia, it becomes much more threatening for the Russian authorities.

    In this context, the seemingly pro forma statement by Putin’s Press Secretary, accusing the United States of America of interfering in the presidential elections in the Russian Federation, may actually have some truth to it.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/how_the_president_trump_is_gaining_leverage_on_putin_as_his_critics_smirk.html

  16. chrism

    the recent season of Homeland chose a newly elected female President who has a conflict over just such issues – played out much more theatrically of course, its worth a look

  17. RobK

    I do think Eisenhower was on to the nub of the problem.
    An amazing farewell speech, more so on reflection. The industrial complex has slotted in seemlessly. UN health, security, IMF, media, internet, cyber tracking……the list is long. All require big government.

  18. Tel

    Equally, how do we know that you have stopped beating your wife?

    Buddy, you are flogging a dead horse with that one.

  19. RobK

    Eisenhower had J. Edgar Hoover. From Wikipedia;

    Later in life and after his death, Hoover became a controversial figure as evidence of his secretive abuses of power began to surface. He was found to have exceeded the jurisdiction of the FBI,[1] and to have used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders,[2] and to collect evidence using illegal methods.[3] Hoover consequently amassed a great deal of power and was in a position to intimidate and threaten sitting presidents.[4]

    What is old is new again.

  20. max

    “The only problem with this is that it was Obama who was deliberating decimating the military and Trump who want to build it up again as a genuine fighting force.”

    Years 96 97 98 99 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
    Defense Budget (Billions) 266 270 271 292 304 335 362 456 491 506 556 625 696 698 721 717 681 610 614 637

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

    The US spends more on its military than the next 8 countries combined

  21. Speedbox

    The problem with the American right is that they don’t like each-other and won’t coordinate actions/cooperate. The strength of the American left is their coordination. When they want to spread BS they can instantly have 100 sources sprouting the same BS and so people (being naturally lazy) assume multiple sources must mean it’s true/news worthy even if none of them provide any evidence or even if what they say is self-evidently false. They promote each-other’s causes or, at the very least, stay out of the way.

    This is a universal truth for all of the Left. Inexplicable that the Right don’t understand it or unite to combat it.

  22. mh

    Philip Mudd bio:

    At the establishment of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s National Security Branch in 2005, FBI Director Mueller appointed Mr. Mudd to serve as the Branch’s first-ever deputy director. He later became the FBI’s Senior Intelligence Adviser. Mr. Mudd resigned from government service in March 2010.

    Yep, this Philip Mudd:

  23. RobK

    I note that J Edgar Hoover was a Republican according to Wikipedia.
    In my youth, I saw this as a problem. Now it seems to have gone fully the other way.

  24. New Chum

    This link is from Pointman website https://thepointman.wordpress.com/
    Exceptional Work by Sharyl Attkisson – Did FBI Violate Woods Procedures?
    So,they cast the object of their interest as an active spy for a foreign power.
    https://tinyurl.com/ybxhpxao

  25. RobK

    The “deep State” appears to traverse both parties.

  26. bobby b

    “How exactly do we know that pissgate isn’t true?”

    Isn’t it embarrassing that we’ve discovered that your ilk tried an illegal coup against the United States constitutional form of government, and this is your best line in defense?

  27. John Comnenus

    The appropriate way to think of the so called Deep State is the equivalent of the Iranian Council of Guardians who according to wkipedia:

    The Guardian Council of the Constitution is a 12-member council that wields considerable power and influence.

    The council is composed of six Islamic faqihs (expert in Islamic Law), “conscious of the present needs and the issues of the day” to be selected by the Supreme Leader of Iran, and six jurists, “specializing in different areas of law, to be elected by the Majlis (the Iranian Parliament) from among the Muslim jurists nominated by the Head of the Judiciary,”[3] (who, in turn, is also appointed by the Supreme Leader).[4]

    It is charged with interpreting the Constitution of Iran,[5] supervising elections of, and approving of candidates to, the Assembly of Experts, the President and the Majlis,[6] and “ensuring … the compatibility of the legislation passed by the Islamic Consultative Assembly [i.e. Majlis] … with the criteria of Islam and the Constitution”.

    The US DoJ, FBI, and others in the upper echelons of the permanent bureaucracy and intelligence community think they are a Council of Guardians – those who will decide, if not who can run for Office, who will be allowed to win Office.

    In Australia we don’t need a Council of Guardians, because we have a professional public service that gives by and large the same advice to any government just spinning it slightly left or right to accommodate the fashion of the day and the whims of the party that won the previous election. But in no event will they allow the power of the bureaucracy be curtailed.

    The simple problem in all advanced economies is the same:

    -money is power
    -over a third of the economy (or money) is the public sector
    -the public sector has more money and hence power than anyone else in the economy
    -power once gained will never be given back willingly.

    We need a party, any party, to dramatically reduce the size, reach and power of the public sector. Either the public re-establishes control over the public sector or the public sector will continue to control us.

  28. stevem

    The problem with the American right is that they don’t like each-other and won’t coordinate actions/cooperate. The strength of the American left is their coordination.

    I think that’s because of the focus of their beliefs and goals. The right tends to want do do certain things or achieve various ends. These goals get interfere with each other ,render other goals impossible. Each group pushing an agenda therefore has to fight others on the right.

    The left just want to destroy whatever the right has built and hand over cash to various interest groups. Lack of funds has never stopped a leftist government from spending ever more and destruction is easy on many concurrent fronts. This means that the left can cooperate as their goals do not get in the way of each other.

  29. RobK

    John Comnenus,
    I see your point. It does all fit rather well to conforming to the UN agenda.

  30. Confused Old Misfit

    I’ve never beaten my wife.

    Ah Hah! Now we know the truth! JC beats his wife! He says he doesn’t but we know better!

  31. RobK

    He says he doesn’t but we know better!

    Are you saying he’s a denier?

  32. Turnip

    Trump did not pay Stormy Daniels for sex.

    She did that for free.

    He paid her later not to tell others about it.

    Hard to see how normal sex means he paid for golden showers in Russian hotels

  33. Mother Lode

    Not certain of my understanding of pornstar professional nomenclature here:

    Was her first pet’s name ‘Stormy’ or ‘Daniels’?

    I think it is as good to be clear on details when weighing up such matters.

  34. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #2629242, posted on February 6, 2018 at 10:31 am

    Can I ask a question out loud here.


    How exactly do we know that pissgate isn’t true?

    It might be, and feel free to chatter about it all you like at dinner parties, where it may or may not be legitimate gossip fodder.
    I’ll tell you what it is not, though.
    It is not grounds for a warrant to spy on US citizens.
    Steele has been largely proven to be a lying grub. Interesting on Fox this morning was a guy asking the quite legitimate question as to, if Steele was (as he claims) closely connected to MI6, MI7 and MI8, why did the FBI not use their regular trans-Atlantic channels to validate his claims?
    Why?
    Because they knew that they were horseshit,
    Never ask a question if you may not like the answer.
    The FBI also claims that they have a relationship with Steele going back a long way.
    As the Fox commentator pointed out, if he was concurrently working for MI6-7-8 and the FBI, he is due jail time in both countries.

  35. Viva

    The dems say Carter Page gave a speech critical of US policy in Russia and is a Russian agent
    Seems he is only a Dastyari type figure and the target was always Trump

  36. Leigh Lowe

    The dems say Carter Page gave a speech critical of US policy in Russia and is a Russian agent

    Obama made a career out of bagging America in every country in the world.
    Where does that leave him?

  37. Boambee John

    There have been many fictional novels set in the US in which “right wingers” in the military or the IC attempt to restrain or overthrow a “progressive” president. David Baldacci is a recent contributor, but it goes back at least as far as the JFK administration (Seven Days in May).

    Now it is actually happening, it is left fascists in the IC and legal institutions who are doing the dirty work.

    The left always, always, project their own intentions on their perceived enemies.

  38. JC

    Leigh

    I will reply to you and will ignore the imbeciles who responsed with stupid shit to my comment as it’s just not worth.

    I was thinking out loud there’s risk here . Trump paid off a porn star not to talk. The point is that Trump getting involved in a live version of the Trevi Fountain may not be that hugely far fetched. This is a crazy fuck we’re dealing with.

  39. stevem

    JC, I Think it’s you who is drawing the very long bow here.

    Trump has repeatedly been criticised for being a germophobe who eats at McDonald’s purely because they have high hygiene standards and don’t know he’s coming to adulterate his food. That level of fear does not lend itself to watersports, and certainly not sleeping in the same bed afterwards as alleged.

    Even if he did do such a thing, you are further supposing that Putin kept a recording of Trump (of all people) just in case they could make him a puppet President. In addition you theorise that this unlikely scenario in an otherwise discredited dossier should be ground for not one, but three FISA surveillance approvals into a presidential candidate.

    There may have been grounds for these wiretaps that we don’t know about, but that event should never have been a consideration. After a year of abuse of process there has been no indication that any collusion has been unearthed. There has been no evidence of Russian involvement in anything than the leaking of DNC emails (which revealed corruption by the Clinton campaign).

  40. JC

    Stevem

    I not even drawing a cross bow let alone a long one. I also don’t understand why his germ affliction has any bearing. If Trump was watching a waterworks display I don’t see how it would impact on his mysophobia, as he would be just watching, not participating.

    I’m not suggesting it’s true and most likely isn’t, but at the same time it’s also worth thinking about possible risks. After the porn payoff story, it has me a little apprehensive.

  41. Dr Fred Lenin

    The “deep state “has existed for many many years in all countries . For instance you don’t think the unruly mob that overthrew the Bourbons and their political structure were capable of running France ,the existing aparat or public service changed sides and ended up with new ministers . The Bolshevik fascists won over the aparat to control Russia ,Hitler,Franco ,Mussolini,Salazar all took over the aparat in their countries ,and things went on almost as usual . Aparats exist in all countries ,they are needed to prevent total chaos ,,however when they get ideas above their station they need controlling ,the best way to control them is small government and minimal regulation ,like socialism ,activism ,racism ,u.n.communism defund them and they perish it seems Mr Trump is aware of this and is taking action ,he will succeed he is not part of the aparat like career politicians are .

  42. overburdened

    FWIW somehow the subject of the post quickly turned to salacious stuff, tenuously attached to the post because of leaking etc.
    IMO people can do anything they want so long as they cause no hard to themselves or harm and distress in others at the time.
    President Trump has been cited over time expressing his concerns re contamination etc.
    If he was a health professional then he would know that urine is sterile under normal conditions, in which case the urination allegations could be true. It does often need a twist of lemon.
    Because he is not a health professional I assume he has a layman’s view if things so IMO the allegations are spurious.
    He may well have jumped some ho as well. I don’t care.

  43. overburdened

    That should read no harm. I’m sure hard could come into the conversation at some point.
    If people are truly liberal on either side of the debate, then all the sex stuff wouldn’t be an issue for them.
    To test the theory that it is a way to judge someone’s character, which is the fig leaf being used to cover this current exercise in character assassination, I would request Google to post the names of anyone on this blog who has viewed porn. I’m sure the outcome would be pretty much in line with the broader community.
    No one in politics is blameless when it comes to taking the low road to discredit their opponents.

  44. Felix Kruell

    If there is evidence that a president has used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election, do you think such a claim should be investigated?

    Still waiting for this “evidence”.

    So far we have law enforcement initiating a warrant against an individual (before he was in any way associated with the Trump campaign), on the basis of his links with Russia (which the individual himself has boasted about). This warrant was regularly extended by people of both republican and democratic bent. There is no evidence to suggest Obama himself was involved in any of this.

    Am I missing something?

  45. PB

    “although we have never before seen it revealed so openly.”

    We have. Its just that many have elected to not see it for so long, dismissing those of us who do see it as being “conspiracy theorists”.

  46. BorisG

    Still waiting for this “evidence”.

    ‘xactly.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    Smokin’ hot Laura Ingraham seems to be getting quite a few hits on target with her new show.

    EXCLUSIVE: Former Trump Campaign Adviser Carter Page Speaks Out on Dossier

    Must be an interesting experience to be ground zero of a Democrat all-in nuclear live-or-die strategy.

  48. Trader Perth

    Is it illegal to use a federal office to spy on a political opponent based on a rumour of some ‘kinky sex”?..and then realise the findings of that investigation?

  49. Leo G

    Conservative Treehouse is reporting that Carter Page has been an agent of the FBI and may have been employed by the FBI in an operation against the Trump Election Campaign.

    In 2013 Carter Page was working as an “under-cover employee” (UCE) of the FBI, helping them to build a case against “Evgeny Buryakov”. In March 2016 Carter Page remained their informant pre-trial leading to a pleading of guilty from Buryakov.

  50. Free Advice

    The question now is did Meuller know any of this sham FISA stuff when he took up his investigation, or even subsequently.

    Why did he initially stack his team with a veritable beauty pagent of bent cops and prosecutors in the tank for the Democrats?

    How on earth did he think he could get away with people like Strzok and Lisa Page, a Democrat dream team of crooks leading his team and that no one would notice his stacked deck? He even failed to inform the House Committee that he had sacked them for six months and subsequently tried to hide it.

    Meuller’s investigation is collapsing before our eyes with virtually any evidence he has gathered now tainted, even his process crimes.

    Meanwhile two minor but fascinating things that have intrigued me.

    1. The biggest mistake they made with the fabricated fraudulent dossier was to include the outrageous “Golden Showers” incident which was so outrageous from the outset that no one really believed it. (Or was this delibrrate to get instant media attention over it, but a fatal mistake anyway).

    2.What is the full story behind Nellie Ohrs ham radio license and did she broadcast anything including short data bursts as a way of communicating with Dodgy Christopher Steel?

    There is a long way to go with this story, but Trump season 2 ep 4 one of the best so far!

    If Meuller doesn’t interview all these players including his own team Strozk & Page, Bruce & Nellie Ohr, Comey & McCabe, Rosenstein, Steel, Simpson & wife etc etc as well as the FISA judges, then his investigation is worthless.

  51. Crossie

    JC
    #2629242, posted on February 6, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Can I ask a question out loud here.

    We can be quite to saying for certain that Trump paid off a porn star not to blabber about a leg over is likely to to be true. She did! How exactly do we know that pissgate isn’t true?

    I don’t give a toss even if both are true. In fact he’s too mild when the times call for a real bastard to be on the people’s side since the media have completely abrogated their responsibility. I wish we had someone like that in Australia. Both Malcolm and Clive Palmer could have been such men but turned out to be completely without ideas once they got the people’s vote, showed that it was all about them.

    You could rightfully argue that Trump is in it for Trump but he also understands that it is a social contract with the voters and he better deliver on his promises.

  52. Empire GTHO Phase III

    So far we have law enforcement initiating a warrant against an individual (before he was in any way associated with the Trump campaign), on the basis of his links with Russia (which the individual himself has boasted about). This warrant was regularly extended by people of both republican and democratic bent. There is no evidence to suggest Obama himself was involved in any of this.

    Am I missing something?

    Yes.

    The FISA request on Page was a “TITLE I” request – to spy on a US citizen. The standard of evidence required is of the highest order. That’s why Lynch signed off on the requests. I suppose it’s possible she didn’t tell Hussein.

    The problem here is that Page was an undercover employee of the FBI from 2013 until at least March 2016 and instrumental in the case against a real Russian spy – Evgeny Buryakov. Yet by October 2016 Page was allegedly an agent for Russia.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

    Furthermore, the intelligence products Nunes sighted early in his investigation were viewed at the Eisenhower SCIF. This suggests he viewed product which was available to Traitor44.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/29/understanding-the-nunes-paradox/

    Don’t be distracted by pissgate. It’s a distraction squirrel. The dossier probably wasn’t even compiled by Steele, which is why Grassley/Graham are going after him – to flush out who really compiled it. Prime suspect: Nellie Ohr. Steele’s role was likely the launderer of the fake intel.

  53. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Leo

    I should have read the whole thread 🙂

  54. Felix Kruell

    Empire:

    None of that provides evidence for the allegation from the article I quoted.

    Especially given the warrant was issued before his connection with Trump.

  55. Pauly

    Consider that a Russian pro could score a payday to end sll paydays if she could convincingly say she was the girl in the waterworks show, and no one has come forward. It’s not as if Team Putin would want to stop her.
    I consider the waterworks story competely bogus.

    As for the Stormy Daniels thing. Both parties allegedly in the room say it never happened. Both parties say no money or consideration was exchanged for a confidential settlement.

    JC and co simply cannot prove at any level that their fantasies have any basis. They only have “prove it isn’t true”, which as anyone who finished high school should now is a logical fallacy.

  56. Crossie

    Trump did not pay Stormy Daniels for sex.

    She did that for free.

    He paid her later not to tell others about it.

    I think Charlie Sheen said you pay them to go away.

  57. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Felix Kruell
    #2629631, posted on February 6, 2018 at 7:26 pm
    Empire:

    None of that provides evidence for the allegation from the article I quoted.

    Especially given the warrant was issued before his connection with Trump.

    and extended after his association with Trump commenced. I presume by “article” you means Kates’ post.

    If there is evidence that a president has used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election, do you think such a claim should be investigated?

    Lynch signed off on a TITLE I application to spy on a guy who was employed by the FBI and extended it after his employment ended.

    If you want to play a game of sophistry, I suspose we require the intel supporting the Nunes memo to be declassified and released. That will prove Traitor44 knew of the play.

  58. Felix Kruell

    Empire:

    So Obama, in anticipation of this guys future role in Trumps future campaign, arranged for his government minions to spy on him. Having taken this massively inappropriate and probably illegal step, Obama didn’t see the benefit in doing the same for anyone else actually substantially involved in Trumps campaign? Quite remiss of him really! He’s not even good at watergate-beating deep state conspiracies!

  59. Crossie

    The question now is did Meuller know any of this sham FISA stuff when he took up his investigation, or even subsequently.

    Why did he initially stack his team with a veritable beauty pagent of bent cops and prosecutors in the tank for the Democrats?

    How on earth did he think he could get away with people like Strzok and Lisa Page, a Democrat dream team of crooks leading his team and that no one would notice his stacked deck? He even failed to inform the House Committee that he had sacked them for six months and subsequently tried to hide it.

    Meuller’s investigation is collapsing before our eyes with virtually any evidence he has gathered now tainted, even his process crimes.

    ——-

    If Meuller doesn’t interview all these players including his own team Strozk & Page, Bruce & Nellie Ohr, Comey & McCabe, Rosenstein, Steel, Simpson & wife etc etc as well as the FISA judges, then his investigation is worthless.

    What’s even sadder is that Andrew McCarthy, the former Prosecutor of the Blind Sheik for the first World Trade Centre attack in 1993, has vouched for Mueller before he was appointed. Idiots like that don’t seem to realise that people change in 20+ years and are not what you thought they were in your youth.

    I’ve come to believe that old style Republicans are too naive to be allowed anywhere near the levers of power. On the other hand 79 years seems to be the average age of power brokers in Washington DC so dementia may be the reason.

  60. Crossie

    So Obama, in anticipation of this guys future role in Trumps future campaign, arranged for his government minions to spy on him.

    Isn’t it then possible that Carter Page was instructed to join the Trump campaign?

  61. Leo G

    If there is evidence that a president has used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election, do you think such a claim should be investigated?

    If the FISC approved applications on Carter Page, knowing that he was an FBI agent, then that action is by definition an obstruction of justice by the FISA officials involved- including the judge.
    FISC is the responsibility of the Chief Justice of the United States.
    “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.” – US Constitution (Article III section 1)
    Get the picture?

  62. Crossie

    If the FISC approved applications on Carter Page, knowing that he was an FBI agent, then that action is by definition an obstruction of justice by the FISA officials involved- including the judge.
    FISC is the responsibility of the Chief Justice of the United States.
    “When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.” – US Constitution (Article III section 1)
    Get the picture?

    What have the FBI got on the Chief Justice? When ObamaCare went before the Supreme Court of the
    US and the Chief Justice authorised it by stating it’s a tax the entire right of US politics was gobsmacked. He has been suspect ever since.

  63. BorisG

    So Obama, in anticipation of this guys future role in Trumps future campaign, arranged for his government minions to spy on him.

    That’s Kates logic.

  64. Free Advice

    Have you noticed that the New York Times and Washington Post never mention Bruce & Nellie Ohr and her Ham Radio license at all, nor FISA Judge Contreras and other judge starting with a B?

    This is where to look deeper.

    I don’t see why Trump doesn’t offer a reward for all this information, and a pardon to the first minion who rolls over.

  65. Empire GTHO Phase III

    So Obama, in anticipation of this guys future role in Trumps future campaign, arranged for his government minions to spy on him. Having taken this massively inappropriate and probably illegal step, Obama didn’t see the benefit in doing the same for anyone else actually substantially involved in Trumps campaign? Quite remiss of him really! He’s not even good at watergate-beating deep state conspiracies!

    Where did I (or Kates) suggest Hussein hatched and directed the plan? It’s a ridiculous proposition because Traitor44 isn’t quite stupid enough to so obviously expose himself, nor smart enough to construct the ruse. That’s what minions are for.

  66. Bruce of Newcastle

    So Obama, in anticipation of this guys future role in Trumps future campaign, arranged for his government minions to spy on him.

    Obama spied on Rand Paul, Jeff Sessions and others. It seems a reasonable hypothesis therefore that he spied on everyone. Easy to pick out the likely operatives: they’re going to be working on someone’s campaign. Just cover them all and switch resources when the primaries come to a head.

  67. Empire GTHO Phase III

    So Obama, in anticipation of this guys future role in Trumps future campaign, arranged for his government minions to spy on him.

    That’s Kates logic.

    No, that’s Boris verballing.

    The implied accusation is that Hussein was a recipient of the intel collected on Team Trump as a result of TITLE I approval for survielling Page and that the intel was ultimately shared with Krooked.

  68. Felix Kruell

    Empire:

    Where did I (or Kates) suggest Hussein hatched and directed the plan?

    Right here…

    If there is evidence that a president has used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election, do you think such a claim should be investigated?

    Or did you think this was a purely hypothetical question?

  69. entropy

    Both Malcolm and Clive Palmer could have been such men but turned out to be completely without ideas once they got the people’s vote, showed that it was all about them.

    Cossie to be fair, Palmer actually wanted to get enough votes for the purpose of destroying the Campbell Newman Government and secondly Tony Abbott as a second prize. All because Newman in particular wouldn’t agree to his plans to have them introduce special legislation that minimised the standard approval process for his companies. In Palmer’s view he had financially supported the LNP in its election campaign to get elected and thus they should agree to lick his white shoe. So he turned all his thoughts to Newman’s destruction, and the mission was accomplished.

    Anyone that voted for that bloated ego drop kick should be ashamed.

  70. Crossie

    In Palmer’s view he had financially supported the LNP in its election campaign to get elected and thus they should agree to lick his white shoe. So he turned all his thoughts to Newman’s destruction, and the mission was accomplished.

    Anyone that voted for that bloated ego drop kick should be ashamed.

    No, I did not vote for him but, like Trump, he had the money and ambition. Where he failed is that he was all ambition and no brains. If he had the brains he would have realised that honouring your contracts will get you much further than just riding a crest of a financial wave which is why he is now facing a financial doom.

    Sadly Malcolm also just rode a financial wave without realising how the financial world works and thinking that his money will get him everything. Those two are just a step up from bogans who win big in Lotto and are broke again within a few years.

  71. Empire GTHO Phase III

    If there is evidence that a president has used the powers of government to spy on the opposition party during an election, do you think such a claim should be investigated?

    Or did you think this was a purely hypothetical question?

    Here’s a tip: “has used”. What you’re seeing is “ordered and directed” or similar. Kates is asking: if the POTUS was a recipient of improperly collected intel and allowed that intel to be shared with one candidate (or with media via unmasking and leaking) to the detriment of their opponent, should that be investigated or not?

    I conceded upthread that without release of the material supporting the memo, you may not be satisfied that Traitor44 had any knowledge of the ruse. You could have left it at that, but instead you switched and baited to “Kates reckons BHO ran the show”. So let’s try this a different way and prove you’re not endeavouring to construct cover for Hussein, Krooked or corrupt bureaucrats.

    Are the investigations by three Congressional commitees and an Inspector-General into improper behaviour by the executive branch of government, specifically bureacrats with special investigive powers, for the benefit of one political party, legitimate?

  72. Felix Kruell

    I think you’re splitting hairs. Kates’ inference was clear.

    I conceded upthread that without release of the material supporting the memo, you may not be satisfied that Traitor44 had any knowledge of the ruse.

    If he didn’t order the material, and there’s no evidence he used it, what is left? Nothing.

  73. overburdened

    WTF has clive palmer got to do with anything relevant to the thread
    just asking in the interests of learning

  74. Cementafriend

    Have any of you read the 11 page pdf article by Prof Ross Mckitrick. There is a download link in the article on the memo at JoNova. Ross anticipated the memo and has links from senate testmony and interviews etc by people like Comey. The memo refers to evidence but does not have the links too the evidence. Recently read a novel by Robert Lodlim (?) called the Altman code but powers plays in USA and China where s secretary of the army and the Vice President of USA wete leaking information. The memo outlines a problem far worse than in that or other novels with the FBI and the Justice Department acting to pull down USA for the benefit of crooks in USA, Europe, Moslem countries, Russia and ultimately allowing China to be the most important nation. I hope the Clintons, the head of the FBI and other crooks like Al Gore go to jail.

  75. Irreversible

    I’m worried that a sleazy president is seeking to cower the law enforcement authorities of the US. I am hoping that he fails.

  76. Fat Tony

    Irreversible
    #2629842, posted on February 6, 2018 at 11:42 pm
    I’m worried that a sleazy president is seeking to cower the law enforcement authorities of the US. I am hoping that he fails.

    No – it’s alright Irreversible – Hillary did not win. No need to worry.

  77. JC

    Pualy

    JC and co simply cannot prove at any level that their fantasies have any basis. They only have “prove it isn’t true”, which as anyone who finished high school should now is a logical fallacy.

    Pauly, there is no logical floor and you’re an idiot. I said at the outset that I was wondering about this aloud. I didn’t make any assertions that I thought it to be true. I simply suggested that if this guy is paying off porn Stars, there may be a risk with the Trevi fountain claim. That’s it. I am not asking that Trump prove a negative. Now STFU.

  78. Pauly

    JC
    If yyou are going to call someone an idiot, don’t make a badic spelling mistake in your flawed post

  79. Felix Kruell
    #2629631, posted on February 6, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    Empire:

    None of that provides evidence for the allegation from the article I quoted.

    Especially given the warrant was issued before his connection with Trump.

    You are conflating Papadopoulos with Page.
    Carter Page was an FBI Counterintelligence operative who helped snag 3 Russian spies operating in Washington.
    The Obama admin and FBI, DNI (Clapper) were already spying on Trump and other Republican candidates (from 2015 on). They had no worries as Killary was going to win the election guaranteed.
    However, once they realised that Trump had a good chance to win, they hit the panic button.
    The Killary campaign and DNC started to dig dirt on Trump. During that dig, they learned that Page had got a job as a volunteer foreign affairs advisor to the Trump campaign, and that he had dealings with the Russians. (At this stage they didn’t know Page had worked for the FBI).

    The Steele dossier was concocted by Nellie Ohr and laundered through Steele to give it legitimacy. It was then funneled into the FBI through her husband Bruce and Rep Senator McCain, a rabid anti-Trumper.

    The FISA warrants were attained under Title 1 (Citizens who were spying for foreign powers). Page was thrown under the bus IN ORDER TO LEGITIMIZE THE ALREADY GOING ON SPYING OF TRUMP. But in order to get the FISA warrants (the first of which was denied, a 0.02% occurrence) the FBI decided to use the Steele dossier to beef up the warrant request.

    Obama is suspected of knowing all this shit because Title 1 FISA warrants are always included in the daily Presidential Briefings.
    Now, The Kenyan may claim that he didn’t read all of his briefings or paid attention to all of the details, but his co-president Valerie the Iranian Communist Jarrett certainly did.

  80. OneWorldGovernment

    As the Obamagate Scandal now exposes truth and light on sordid corruption at the highest echelons of America’s law-enforcement apparatus, a corruption that is reminiscent of how Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler both manipulated their respective secret police services to spy on and destroy their political opponents, I am grateful for the four unsung heroes in this musical: Crooked Hillary, James Comey, Schumer, and Pelosi.

    Each of them has acted with the secret intent to do evil, and machinations of each have proven instead to be the blessings that give us a chance to recover our country, our national culture, and restore an America that we came very close to losing on the eve of 2016.

    https://spectator.org/in-defense-of-hillary-comey-schumer-and-pelosi/

  81. OneWorldGovernment

    One of these blokes voted for the American Communist Party and the other thinks Islam is a-okay.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan

  82. Defender of the faith

    Kates is now trashing his own appointees at the head of fbi and justice. He’s like a badly behaved child.

  83. Leo G

    They only have “prove it isn’t true”, which as anyone who finished high school should (know) is a logical fallacy.

    Don’t you have the logical fallacy the wrong way round?
    Falsification, in the sense of proving a proposition to be false by contradiction, is one of the three fundamental laws of formal logic. On the other hand, to prove a non-trivial proposition (ie a non-tautology) absolutely true, is beyond the capabilities of formal logic.

  84. Conservative Treehouse is reporting that Carter Page has been an agent of the FBI and may have been employed by the FBI in an operation against the Trump Election Campaign.

    This new wingnut theory that Page is actually a superspy mastermind is hilarious. Have you heard the man speak? As the Russian spy said, “I think he is an idiot”.

  85. Leo G

    This new wingnut theory that Page is actually a superspy mastermind is hilarious.

    The strawman proposition of Carter Page as as superspy mastermind is hilarious. Your comment was taken as a joke.

  86. mh

    Pat Buchanan:
    Nunes Duels the Deep State

    That memo worked up in the Intel Committee of Chairman Devin Nunes may not have sunk the Mueller investigation, but from the sound of the secondary explosions, this torpedo was no dud.

    The critical charge:

    To persuade a FISA court to issue a warrant to spy on Trump aide Carter Page, the FBI relied on a dossier produced by a Trump-hating British spy, who was using old Kremlin contacts, while being paid to dig up dirt on Donald Trump by Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

    Not only were the Clinton campaign and DNC paying the spy, Christopher Steele, for his dirt-diving, the FBI put Steele on its own payroll, until they caught him lying about leaking to the media.

    In their requests for search warrants, the FBI never told the FISA court judge their primary source was a 35-page dossier delivered by Steele that their own Director James Comey described as “salacious and unverified.”

    From the Nunes memo, there was, at the highest level of the FBI, a cabal determined to derail Trump and elect Clinton. Heading the cabal was Comey, who made the call to exonerate Hillary of criminal charges for imperiling national security secrets, even before his own FBI investigation was concluded.

    Assisting Comey was Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, whose wife, running for a Virginia state senate seat, received a windfall of $467,000 in contributions from Clinton bundler Terry McAuliffe.

    Last week, McCabe was discharged from the FBI. Seems that in late September 2016, he learned from his New York field office that it was sitting on a trove of emails between Anthony Weiner and his wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, which potentially contained security secrets.

    Not until late October did Comey inform Congress of what deputy McCabe had known a month earlier.

    Other FBI plotters were Peter Strzok, chief investigator in both the Clinton email server scandal and Russiagate, and his FBI girlfriend, Lisa Page. Both were ousted from the Mueller investigation when their anti-Trump bias and behavior were exposed last summer.

    Filling out the starting five was Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general under Loretta Lynch. In 2016, Ohr’s wife was working for Fusion GPS, the oppo research arm of the Clinton campaign, and Bruce was in direct contact with Steele.

    Now virtually all of this went down before Robert Mueller was named special counsel. But the poisoned roots of the Russiagate investigation and the bristling hostility of the investigators to Trump must cast a cloud of suspicion over whatever charges Mueller will bring.

    Now another head may be about to fall, that of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

    If Mueller has given up trying to prove Trump collusion with the Kremlin and moved on to obstruction of justice charges, Rosenstein moves into the crosshairs.

    For the heart of any obstruction scenario is Trump’s firing of James Comey and his boasting about why he did it.

    But not only did Rosenstein discuss with Trump the firing of Comey, he went back to Justice to produce the document to justify what the president had decided to do.

    How can Rosenstein oversee Mueller’s investigation into the firing of James Comey when he was a witness to and a participant in the firing of James Comey?

    The Roman poet Juvenal’s question comes to mind. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchmen?

    Consider where we are. Mueller is investigating alleged Trump collusion with Russia, and the White House is all lawyered up.

    The House intel committee is investigating Clinton-FBI collusion to defeat Trump and break his presidency. FBI Inspector General Michael Horowitz is looking into whether the fix was in to give Hillary a pass in the probe of her email server.

    Comey has been fired, his deputy McCabe removed, his chief investigator Strzok ousted by Mueller for bigoted anti-Trump behavior, alongside his FBI paramour, Page. Bruce Ohr has been demoted for colluding with Steele, who was caught lying to the FBI and fired, and for his wife’s role in Fusion GPS, which was being paid to dig up dirt on Trump for Clinton’s campaign.

    If Americans are losing confidence in the FBI, whose fault is that? Is there not evidence that a hubristic cadre at the apex of the FBI — Comey, McCabe, Strzok foremost among them — decided the Republic must be saved from Trump and, should Hillary fail, they would step in and move to abort the Trump presidency at birth?

    To the deep state, the higher interests of the American people almost always coincide with their own.

  87. W Hogg

    The left would argue, like Biden today on Clinton News Network, that it was justified because Russia. He did not say Trump-Russia, because there’s no evidence.

    So they have shifted the goalposts from T666 criminality as justification, to unilateral Russian action.

    If 🇷🇺 took a liking to the Trump666 Administration, they could therefore openly publish tweets critical of his opponent – that would make it OK for him to use the 17 intelligence agencies against the entire campaign of the opponent presumably.

  88. m0nty
    #2630083, posted on February 7, 2018 at 11:14 am

    Conservative Treehouse is reporting that Carter Page has been an agent of the FBI and may have been employed by the FBI in an operation against the Trump Election Campaign.

    This new wingnut theory that Page is actually a superspy mastermind is hilarious. Have you heard the man speak? As the Russian spy said, “I think he is an idiot”.

    Leeeets go to the fact tape…

    Page was supposedly viewed by the Russians as “an idiot”, according to Byron York’s piece. So what. Trump is called an idiot on CNN and MSNBC on a daily basis. Is Page an idiot?

    His bio suggests otherwise. A distinguished graduate of the US Naval Academy, in the top 10 percent of his class. Unlike Senator John McCain who graduated 894th in a class of 899 at Annapolis.

    Page received a master’s degree in National Security Studies from Georgetown, served five years in the Navy, was a fellow at the Council of Foreign relations, received an MBA from NYU, and worked as an investment banker at Merrill Lynch in London, Moscow, and New York.

    Adding to his resume, he earned a PhD from SOAS, University of London.

    Yep, Monty is absolutely correct again (tee hee). Not a hint of “Intelligence Operative” in that resume’ (double tee hee).
    Page would be lucky to get a job at Maccas with that “Idiots Resume”. Monty on the other hand…..

  89. m0nty
    #2630083, posted on February 7, 2018 at 11:14 am

    This new wingnut theory that Page is actually a superspy mastermind is hilarious. Have you heard the man speak? As the Russian spy said, “I think he is an idiot”.

    By the way Monty. There are court transcripts and affidavits stating that Page did indeed work for and was paid by the FBI.
    It is a matter of public record that Page helped the FBI snag 3 Russian Spies who are on trial now.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisreeves/2018/02/05/doj-documents-show-carter-page-helped-fbi-catch-russian-spies-n2444651

    Page pretended to be an Energy Company exec to snare the Russians with listening devices imbeded in folders Page gave to the Ruskies.

    Mate you need to research and read more, and post fewer comments continually affirming your stupidity….just sayin’.

  90. It is a matter of public record that Page helped the FBI snag 3 Russian Spies who are on trial now.

    This is based purely on the supposition that Male-1 and UCE-1 are the same person (i.e. Page) in that 2013 Podobnyy case. There has been no official confirmation of that AFAICT. So far it’s only fevered imaginings by over-caffeinated wingnut bloggers.

    Mate you need to research and read more, and post fewer comments continually affirming your stupidity….just sayin’.

    Your “research” consists of reading hopeful guesses made by randos on web forums. We shall see.

  91. m0nty
    #2630418, posted on February 7, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    It is a matter of public record that Page helped the FBI snag 3 Russian Spies who are on trial now.

    This is based purely on the supposition that Male-1 and UCE-1 are the same person (i.e. Page) in that 2013 Podobnyy case. There has been no official confirmation of that AFAICT. So far it’s only fevered imaginings by over-caffeinated wingnut bloggers.

    From this link https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/carter_page_hpsci_hearing_transcript_nov_2_2017.pdf
    Go to page 19 of the PDF (or page 16 of the document) to find the following TESTIMONY BY PAGE to a House Closed door hearing transcript.

    Felony #1: Illegal leaking of my identity as Male-1 in USA vs Evgeny Buryakov, Igor Sporyshev, and Victor Pdobnyy.

    So there is your official confirmation you under-caffeinated fuckwit of the first order.
    You had/have no idea of what my research consists of.
    A fuckwit you are, a fuckwit you are treated as on this blog, and rightly so. Now fuck off.

  92. Leo G

    This is based purely on the supposition that Male-1 and UCE-1 are the same person (i.e. Page) in that 2013 Podobnyy case.

    True, it is not at all clear that UCE-1 refers to Carter Page. The supposition that UCE-1 or another undercover employee designation most likely refered to Page arose from the associated description of the activities (energy-industry consultant).
    But Page did later assist the FBI in court procedings in the case, even if not in the pay of the FBI.
    Page has said many of the statements about him in cited articles by ABCNews (US) and Buzzfeed were false and some were absurdly false, but confirmed that he was unmasked by those stories.

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