Tell that to the judge

This is getting beyond a joke.

ALP MP Susan Lamb  is very likely a dual citizen and as such is ineligible to sit in the Australian parliament. s44 does not say that you can ignore the law of the land if you are estranged from your Mum.

To be sure, Ms Lamb’s feelings of loss and abandonment obviously cut very deep and at a human level we can and should have a lot of sympathy for her.  But we should not lose sight of the other basic issue here. She should be referred to the High Court and have to recontest her seat. If her own party will not do so, the government should do so – in fact, I would have thought that this should be The Speaker’s job.

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64 Responses to Tell that to the judge

  1. When are these people that signed statements indicating that they are not dual citizens when they are going to be charged and tried and punished?

  2. Old School Conservative

    The Uniparty is trying to minimise its losses.
    The Coalition is not moving on Susan Lamb because they have someone, somewhere in parliament, in a similar situation.
    By tacit agreement, Lamb will be OK and the next Lib/Nat to be exposed will be OK too.

  3. cui bono

    If a guy blubbed away he’d be ruined politically. She needs to get her paperwork sorted out like every one else.
    Meanwhile I’m off to cry on the tax collector’s shoulder…………..

  4. cui bono

    Barnaby pleads for the family situation to be kept out of it, this petal cries for the reverse.

  5. wal1957

    Whilst her situation is deserving of sympathy, it does not change the law.

    If the paperwork is not in order, c u later.

  6. hzhousewife

    MP Susan Lamb should refer herself to the High Court immediately, to retain any semblance of honesty. She knows she is a dual citizen, and she needs to convince the High Court that she has made very effort to rescind, not us, nor today’s Parliament.

  7. Garry

    Confected crocodile tears to try and save a generous parliamentary salary. Cynical? No, she’s a politician and deserves nothing but contempt for this public display of emotion for no reason other than to avoid her referral to the high court! Nothing but a stunt.

  8. Davo

    So, she can’t sit in parliament…should be any argument. She has clear lied when she signed the paperwork and wow, didn’t they all lay it on thickly today…most of it quite irrelevant to the basic issue (rather more on abandonment)

    You can’t be a pilot is you are colourblind and you can’t sit in parliament if you are a citizen of another country even if you cry; or perhaps you can as the political class will band together on self interest. They just make me feel sick.

    Our politicians are a disgrace

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    This is fine blowback on Shorten.

    Electricity Bill seemed to adopt the strategy of saying catch us if you can and relying on the MSM to “forget” to mention ALP pollies with s44 issues.

    At the same time the ALP have been banging away at people like Barnaby (oops, bad metaphor) about dual citizenship.

    Which has had the effect of clearing out the vulnerable LNP pollies and getting the by-elections out of the way in what could be an election year.

    So now we see what Shorten’s policy is leading to: a drip drip of ALP people who have been researched by bloggers or etc who suddenly get High Courted. This could be going all year.

    He has resisted a general deck-clearing exercise, where a Parliamentary subcommittee gets appointed to run the s44 check test over every pollie in both houses. Which suggests he has worries about who such an exercise might turn up. But if he doesn’t clear decks this could haunt him all through this whole year.

    I still think Malcolm, who likewise has been very reluctant to do a general review of all Canberra pollies, may fear his own date with the HC if his mum happens to have applied for and gotten British citizenship at some stage. That would be most entertaining!

  10. struth

    Criminals the lot.

    Rule of Law is not for them.

    You can kiss your ass goodbye, we’re stuffed.
    Our country will truly be in the same state as Venezuela within five years at this rate.

    Then all those that wanted to bring it on, so people can learn from it, will find that learning the lesson won’t matter.
    You can’t just reverse it, especially with the level of cultural Marxism.
    This isn’t economic.
    It’s culture they have attacked, and that is what is killing our economy, and why you won’t be able to bring it back.

  11. Chris

    What about Sharkey in Mayo? She needs to convince the High Court she is not a dual citizen.

  12. Aussieute

    Quote from a mate regarding this issue … didn’t try hard did she

    Susan Lamb’s story is really sad, but I just spoke to QLD Births Deaths and Marriages, and they told me I could apply for a marriage certificate of an estranged parent if I had a legal requirement for it, such as renouncing my citizenship for another country.

  13. Flick the switch to victim and cry for sympathy. Grow up, girl. We’re not interested. Comply with the rules or go.

  14. Mique

    Spot on, Aussieute. Having obtained all sorts of B,D @M certificates for genealogical purposes, it simply did not ring true to me that she was refused a copy of her parents’ marriage certificate. Once again emotion trumps reason in our political kindergarten.

  15. Howard Hill

    But if he doesn’t clear decks this could haunt him all through this whole year.

    Why? Nothing has happened to any of them. They are a class of their own with their own rules.

    Who’s going to stop them spitting in our faces, disrespecting our laws and constitution?

    FFS! Who’s responsible for administering our laws in this country, how much more do we have to take from these lying crooks?

    These crooks should all be sent on vacation at one of Her Majesty’s Prisons and their assets of crime confiscated, just like happens to the rest of us!

  16. marcus classis

    hang on guv, didn’t Tittyboy tell us all that really really excellently good ALP procedures meant that they knew (cross his lying, black, shrivelled heart) that all their people were absolutely NOT dual citz?

  17. entropy

    Old School Conservative
    #2630620, posted on February 7, 2018 at 9:05 pm
    The Uniparty is trying to minimise its losses.
    The Coalition is not moving on Susan Lamb because they have someone, somewhere in parliament, in a similar situation.
    By tacit agreement, Lamb will be OK and the next Lib/Nat to be exposed will be OK too.

    That might be what the LNP stupidly think, but that isn’t how it would play out. The media have one rule for labor figures, and quite another for the LNP.

  18. Malcolm

    To be sure, Ms Lamb’s feelings of loss and abandonment obviously cut very deep and at a human level we can and should have a lot of sympathy for her

    I have no sympathy whatsoever. Whether she is genuinely distressed or simply acting is irrelevant. She is crying crocodile tears to gain sympathy for illegally holding a job and claiming millions of taxpayer dollars. She is a disgrace and doubly so for trying to garner sympathy for her negligence and theft from the Commonwealth.

  19. Malcolm

    Why is she allowed to read a speech? That’s against standing orders. Doesn’t anyone have the guts to call out this fraud?

  20. Malcolm

    Maybe Sinc is a communist? Too much sympathy for a rent seeker.

  21. Roger

    Did I not see a news article before parliament began its new year to the effect that her estranged mother had the document required by the British Home Office and was happy to supply it if asked?

    I’m sure I didn’t dream it.

  22. Old School Conservative

    Lamb’s tears are real.
    Who wouldn’t cry at the prospect of losing a salary package of $300,000?

  23. H B Bear

    Whata about the w0g bastard Albasleazy who discovera hisa papa lasta year fora the ALPBC butta no canna finda him no more thisa year?

  24. stackja

    She is ALP. Different rules apply. And anything goes. And her tears show she is the victim of a dastardly male conspiracy.

  25. Roger

    Whata about the w0g bastard Albasleazy who discovera hisa papa lasta year fora the ALPBC butta no canna finda him no more thisa year?

    Isa…howa you saya…mystery!

  26. H B Bear

    Very unseemly to have all these Liars balling their eyes out on the floor of Parliament. At least there is less chance of Lamb just lying and misleading the House than when Thomo tried this on. Possibly.

  27. harry buttle

    Soaked up quite a bit of moola while not recognising any issue with s.44 no doubt a coincidence.

  28. NB

    Let’s have seats allocated according to sob stories. The bigger the sob story, the more entitled you are. The judges/voters should be refugees from countries that should not be described as 5h1th0le5. Oh, and why are we even considering this privileged white woman?

  29. NB

    Oh, and who can refer a fake parliamentarian to the High Court? Can Cats do it?

  30. Female workplace tactics 101 – get found out for breaking the rules and rubbing up the boss’s leg isn’t working for you? Turn on the waterworks.

  31. Infidel Tiger

    As I have said previously, my bad relationship with my accountant means I will no longer be filing tax returns. Please leave me alone in this traumatic time.

  32. Oh come on

    To be sure, Ms Lamb’s feelings of loss and abandonment obviously cut very deep and at a human level we can and should have a lot of sympathy for her.

    I do but it is tempered with the contempt that she used her situation to try to guilt the government into call off the dogs. That raises serious questions about the depth of her feelings of loss and abandonment. What we saw was a piece of political theatre, a last roll of the dice.

    Anyone with any dignity would have accepted their fate – I can’t get the documents I need, that’s the end of it, I’m not going to bear my wounds for the public in a Hail Mary attempt to keep my job in the Australian equivalent of Oprah’s couch.

  33. Pedro the Ignorant

    My contempt for politicians is increasing by the day.

    What did we do to deserve this pack of deadbeats, crooks and spivs running the couuntry?

  34. nemkat

    Someone once said that being born with British Citizenship was like winning the lottery of life.
    Susan Lamb, like David Feeney, has too much baggage to stand in the Seat again, so there’s zero chance of her renouncing now.
    Longman is always marginal, while British Citizenship is always likely to come in handy, so i think this game has been going on for a while, where the Candidate makes a half hearted attempt to comply with S44 shortly before the Election, then the Home Office writes back after the Election saying, ”Sorry, not enough information, so we can’t process your application.”
    Turnbull’s mother was born here to English touring actors, so i’d say she was a British Citizen and so is Mal.

  35. Tel

    What we saw was a piece of political theatre, a last roll of the dice.

    Agree.

    Leaving it until the last two weeks is a risk she chose to take. Anyhow, the High Court can figure out whether the marriage certificate really is important or not, but it does need to go before the court for sure.

  36. NuThink

    To be sure, Ms Lamb’s feelings of loss and abandonment obviously cut very deep and at a human level we can and should have a lot of sympathy for her.

    There are millions of people who suffer severe emotional loss and they have to perform their everyday duties. The show must go on. Do we feel a lot of sympathy for them? I doubt it. So why a politician?
    Who else has gotten emotional in parliament?
    Hawke and the Tiannamen Square killings. Yet he travels now very often to China.
    Julia and a breaking voice – cannot recall the reason. Misogyny maybe.
    Thomson who had his credit card(s) stolen. That is enough reason to cry.
    Now Susan Lamb.
    There are probably others.
    I too would be very sad if I were to lose a few hundred grand and have no other way of recouping it. But I would not blub publicly about it.
    But I do not expect someone who is making decisions for the rest of us to be to be unable to control their emotions. What if an airline pilot became emotional when landing, or a general in the military becoming emotional before battle, or a surgeon unable to control emotions during a brain op. The pollies do not live in the real world, and they demonstrate it.

  37. Stephen

    The law is the law regarding dual citizenship and being eligible for representing people in parliament. It is quite possible that she has now lied to the House if in fact you can obtain a B<M and D certificate for genealogical purposes.
    Yesterdays performance was tugging at the taxpayers heartstrings – there are most likely sadder stories than hers and her history does not change her citizenship status. Anything to hang onto that salary and superannuation. She should resign today.

  38. struth

    I didn’t mean to rob the bank at gunpoint, I just watched a Lassie film and,( sniff), and nobody had snipped the dog’s nails.

  39. Dr Faustus

    “The fact is, my mum is not around to grant me access to her marriage certificate and dad, he passed away nearly twenty years ago,” she told the chamber after Question Time.

    That extra document the UK Home Office requested after they received my renunciation, my parents’ marriage certificate, is a document I was advised I do no have a legal entitlement to claim.”

    All records of UK Births. Deaths and Marriages are available to the public from the General Register Office (or its equivalent in Scotland or Northern Ireland). No permission required – just £9.25.

    I have done this same search. All you need are names and a rough date.

    Ms Lamb’s case must have special circumstances – I wonder who advised her she had no “legal entitlement to claim“.

  40. Up The Workers!

    The persuasive power of Leftard crocodile tears in Parliament House, lost its mojo the day that recidivist H.S.U.-funded brothel-hopper, Craig Thomson, gave us an hour or so virtuoso performance of thespian blubbering to an almost empty Chamber.

    Crocodile tears also do NOT absolve anybody from having to pay back taxpayer-funded Parliamentary salary, lurks, perks, schemes and scams that they were NEVER entitled to.

    If you were NOT entitled to be a Parliamentarian in the first instance, no amount of Craig Thomson waterworks will change that fact.

  41. Up The Workers!

    Lamb?

    Mutton done up as mutton!

    I keep thinking of: “The fish John West Rejects”.

    This latest ineligible Australian Liars Party consumer of an unearned Parliamentary salary, is: “The Lamb that even Barnaby Joyce rejected.”

  42. Aristogeiton

    You’re right Sinc. This is a charade.

  43. H B Bear

    Lamb might be an excellent candidate to pursue for repayment of all salaries and benefits, possibly bankrupted. One head on a stick – and the problem is solved once and forever.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    To be sure, Ms Lamb’s feelings of loss and abandonment obviously cut very deep and at a human level we can and should have a lot of sympathy for her. 

    No, not really.
    Plenty of people lose their jobs every day – hardly ever as a result of their own lack of eligibility for the job and often as a result of the actions of Lamb and her cronies.
    Most of them pack their stuff in a cardboard archive box and leave with a stuff upper lip.
    They don’t collapse in a sobbing mess.
    Piss off and don’t let the door etc etc.

  45. Brinkin

    Surely it is the job of the commissioners of the AEC and the AFP to drain this swamp as they must prosecute the many criminal false declarations that are very visible to the voters. Why are all the political reporters ignoring these two guys,

  46. classical_hero

    It’s good that she’s got a roasting for what she tried.

  47. struth

    The media in the last couple of days prove to any doubters, their bias yet again.
    Looking at this and what is not being covered in the United States, should leave no one in any doubt about how absolutely corrupted it is.
    So blatant, it shocks decent people, who struggle to believe it, which is why the left win.

  48. Tel

    All records of UK Births. Deaths and Marriages are available to the public from the General Register Office (or its equivalent in Scotland or Northern Ireland). No permission required – just £9.25.

    So since the UK civil service already have all the necessary information they don’t need the certificate in the first place… but they demand it in order to shake an extra ten quid out of applicants. Makes sense, and are Lamb was too cheap to cough up! Should have asked the union lunchroom for a whip around.

  49. calli

    Flick the switch to victim and cry for sympathy.

    Another Strong Woman.

    Aren’t we fortunate to have so many of them!

  50. The Barking Toad

    And another! 😃

    heheh

  51. rich

    this is a clash between different levels of moral development as described by Lawrence Kohlberg

    Susan Lamb believes a sob story (which we should still have sympathy for) is sufficient because care based morality is lower on the scale that justice based morality. The challenge is how many of our citizens moral development are stultified at care based morality and, if they are the majority of voters, how can a democracy still function based on seeming and intentions, not on consistency and results.

  52. old bloke

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2630653, posted on February 7, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    I still think Malcolm, who likewise has been very reluctant to do a general review of all Canberra pollies, may fear his own date with the HC if his mum happens to have applied for and gotten British citizenship at some stage. That would be most entertaining!

    Malcolm’s mum, after leaving Australia, lived and worked in both New Zealand and the USA. It’s possible that she obtained citizenship with either or both of those nations.

    It would be most amusing to find that both our Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister were kiwis.

  53. Rae

    I have no sympathy for Susan Lamb. None. s44 is perfectly clear. Yes, she should be referred to the High Court. Yes, it is the responsibility of the Speaker to do the referral.

  54. Dr Faustas;

    All records of UK Births. Deaths and Marriages are available to the public from the General Register Office (or its equivalent in Scotland or Northern Ireland). No permission required – just £9.25.

    I have done this same search. All you need are names and a rough date.

    Ms Lamb’s case must have special circumstances – I wonder who advised her she had no “legal entitlement to claim“.

    Typical politician. When caught out, lie your way out of trouble, garner the sympathy vote, and carry on.
    Ms Lamb is the living embodiment of why the average man on the 6pm Clapham Omnibus detests the political class. Laws are for the little people.

  55. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Do I have sympathy for her? No I do not? Why? Simple – she has no sympathy for me.

    False declarations, contempt of Parliament and all the while siphoning the public purse at $4 per minute 24/7 to support policies if theft and malfeasance.

    I want heads on pikes.

  56. Habib

    Pathetic sook, someone so fragile and insipid has no place in public office, and as per usual rather than face up to a fuck-up, seeks sympathy and relies on obfuscation to avoid due repercussions. She’s only served to confirm she should be given the arse, likkety-split. Unfortunately she’ll be replaced by someone equally or even more worthless. I’m astounded by just how many blow-ins infest outr parliaments, home grown Australians have more than our fair share of dickheads, but bloody poms, haggis munchers, dagos and taigs FFS? I’d rather be ruled bo Abos.

  57. Habib

    And every one of these frauds should be charged with false pretences, and forced to repay every zac they illegally trousered, including expenses, with interest. And maybe a bit of time in the showers with Bubba.

  58. nemkat

    Susan Lamb may be being led up the Garden path by her mates in the Labor Party
    Bill Shorten has only to do a U Turn, and she’s on the way to the High Court, and political oblivion.
    Since she clearly has UK Citizenship, a smarter tactic might be to do the right thing, a la John Alexander:
    Announce as a dual citizen, resign, renounce, and then the acid is on the ALP to renominate her for Longman.

  59. nemkat

    The other possibility is that she is so on the nose in Longman, that she won’t be competitive anyway, in which case she might as well retain her claim to UK Citizenship, like David Feeney did.

  60. Rigtheo

    Here is the law:

    “Section 44(i) operates to render “incapable of being chosen or of sitting” persons who have the status of subject or citizen of a foreign power. Whether a person has the status of foreign subject or citizen is determined by the law of the foreign power in question. Proof of a candidate’s knowledge of his or her foreign citizenship status (or of facts that might put a candidate on inquiry as to the possibility that he or she is a foreign citizen) is not necessary to bring about the disqualifying operation of s 44(i).

    A person who, at the time that he or she nominates for election, retains the status of subject or citizen of a foreign power will be disqualified by reason of s 44(i), except where the operation of the foreign law is contrary to the constitutional imperative that an Australian citizen not be irremediably prevented by foreign law from participation in representative government. Where it can be demonstrated that the person has taken all steps that are reasonably required by the foreign law to renounce his or her citizenship and within his or her power, the constitutional imperative is engaged.”

    The question therefore can Susan Lamb demonstrate that she took all reasonable steps within her power?

    I would say the answer to that question would turn on whether she was truly “estranged” from her Mother or knew her details but refused to contact her. If she was proeprly estranged then she would have been unable to acquire the relevant documents at the time she had to acquire them.

    The fact that her Mother has produced the document after the fact has no bearing on the determination of whether it was in Susan Lamb’s power to obtain the document at the time she registered as a candidate.

    The underlying point is that Lamb has an argument and it ought to be put to a Judge, or several of them.

    Personally I think she is probably pushing the proverbial uphill but we have Courts for a reaon. The law is now clear in this area. Lamb’s case boils down to simple questions of fact.

  61. nemkat

    Here’s all she had to do:
    Go to the Registry of Births, Deaths, and Marriages in George St, Brisbane.
    Fill out the Form correctly.
    Pay $35.00.
    Return the next day to collect the Marriage Certificate.
    For some reason, she was unable to do that, but apparently Susan is still capable of representing 105,000 people in Federal Parliament.

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