Wednesday Forum: February 7, 2018

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  1. Stimpson J. Cat

    And … ?

    It just seems like a long time to wear a sock Grigs, that’s all.
    Not to mention the intricacies of actually getting a wedding ring on a sock.

  2. Oh come on

    GrigRae’s perspective is, unsurprisingly, moronic and the serial killer aficionado doesn’t understand the definition of hypocrisy. It is not at all hypocritical to oppose SSM while being married to someone of the opposite sex and screwing around on your spouse with a bunch of men, women or undecideds.

  3. zyconoclast

    Liberal senator Jim Molan has accepted a second apology from Greens MP Adam Bandt, who has promised to make a donation to a veterans organisation “as an expression of my sincerity over this issue”.

    What a cuck.
    Molan has now given permission for anyone to defame him knowing he will accept an apology as long as it is more than 6 words.

  4. Helen

    Yes, I was so hoping that Jim would go the distance. But Bandit blinked, twice, showing himslef for the yellow running dog he is. Ha!

  5. Senile Old Guy

    calli: I enjoyed Source Code. Interesting premise and well filmed.

    So did I but I love time travel movies.

    Interesting one is I’ll Follow You Down.

    Has Haley J Osmet, the kid from The Sixth Sense and Gillian Anderson. But tricky to find. I got it via SBS online.

  6. Rae

    C’mon Delta A, you’re just itching to do a massive face-plant. Go ahead, scratch that itch. Or put some Aristocort on it.

    Btw. OCO was looking for some comment by Grigory M about breakfast by a swamp. Maybe a non-existent comment according to his following brief clarification. Nothing to do with my comment about my marriage and expectation to celebrate a future wedding anniversary.

  7. Roger

    The idiotic complicity of the Left with Islam:

    Julia Baird, defending Islam on The Dumb with ex-Muslima and domestic anti-violence campaigner from Britain who blames Islam for the prevalence domestic violence in the Pakistani community in Britain:

    “But the Koran does say only beat them lightly”.

  8. calli

    Thanks, SOG.

    Just hunting around for 15:10 Gold Class. No dice. I could watch dopey Fifty Shades of Pron instead. ☹️

  9. egg_

    “But the Koran does say only beat them lightly”.

    “Speak softly… and beat them with a big stick”?

  10. It is clear Barnaby’s affair caused a serious amount of disruption within his own staff and other National MP’s staff. His own Chief of Staff resigned because of it. He then imposed her upon Matt Canavan’s office where she got a role that paid better money and was not filled when she left. Then onto another MP’s staff after that. There are suggestions he made promotion / demotion decisions based upon who was supporting him over the affair.

    However the timeline is quite short. She went from Nationals NSW to support BJ during 2016 election. After that she went to work for him in Canberra. It seems she became pregnant in about August 2017 and then gets a redundancy in late 2017.

    One thing to say his private life is his business but very clear it impacted many others in the workplace and caused problems within his own party.

    Would be interested to know what the redundancy payment would be for somebody who has worked for just over a year. I believe we are talking taxpayer money here. Anybody know ?

  11. Caveman

    Donny Darko is a good movie by Jake what’s his name

  12. egg_

    Grigory M
    #1787547, posted on September 6, 2015 at 5:07 pm
    My son was building an aeroplane out of Duplo this week and tried to put a female in the cockpit. I told him off.

    Hopefully, you mentioned to him the old Chinese proverb:

    “Woman who fly plane upside down, sure to have crack up.”

    #pottymouth

  13. Empire

    What a cuck.
    Molan has now given permission for anyone to defame him knowing he will accept an apology as long as it is more than 6 words

    Real Australian warriors letting off some steam.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NygK9u6lAhU

  14. Roger

    Would be interested to know what the redundancy payment would be for somebody who has worked for just over a year.

    One thing…you can be sure it would be much more generous than in the private sector.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Young refugee girl transferred off Nauru after suicide attempt

    The Australian
    6:46PM February 9, 2018

    Simone Fox Koob
    Journalist
    Sydney
    @SimoneFoxKoob

    A young girl who was residing as a refugee on Nauru with her family has been transferred off the island to receive mental health care treatment in Australia after she tried to commit suicide.

    In a judgment published today by the Federal Court of Australia, Judge Bernard Murphy detailed the reasons he granted an interlocutory injunction at the end of December to have the girl transferred so she can receive “appropriate treatment in accordance with recommendations of a medical expert”.

    The application to remove the girl from Nauru was filed on December 20 and an urgent hearing was held on December 22. Justice Murphy made orders that day to have the girl removed from Nauru “as soon as reasonably practicable”.

    A spokesperson for the Department of Home Affairs said: “The Department can confirm a refugee has been transferred from Nauru to Australia for medical treatment. The Department does not comment on individual cases.”

    In his reasons, Justice Murphy said it could be argued the Commonwealth’s resources could be wasted if the girl’s application is unsuccessful at the final hearing, however the risk she could commit suicide outweighed this concern.

    “If the injunction is not granted, there is an extreme risk this unfortunate young girl will commit suicide or otherwise self-harm, or that her mental health will further deteriorate,” he said.

    From the Oz. Wasn’t Bernard Murphy a Gilliard appointee?

  16. marcus classis

    RTWT

    The emotional overlay expertly delivered in this fashion is usually the province of Democrats. It is clear proof for me that he’s ensconced himself inside the OODA Loop of Democrats and he has done so via utilization of Retail Politics 101—something conventional Republicans have seemingly, inexplicably, and to their lasting disservice never mastered.

    A further problem for the political party of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson—a problem especially pronounced at the historically important but currently awkward Jefferson-Jackson fundraising events they’ve been so proud of hosting over the years—is their terminal self-loathing and America-hating revisionism that has alienated average Americans all across the land.

    This is a gift to President Trump that keeps giving and giving and giving. A political party that has forgotten rule number one of American politics (never disrespect average Americans) deserves to die. But to kill off a prominent but staggering legacy, one needs either to be or to become an apex predator.

    The so-called Orange Ogre is proving to be quite the apex predator.

    In fact, Don Surber, was moved to write, “That was no State of the Union address tonight. That was the death of Democratic Party.”

  17. Arky

    Can we have a new thread so no one reads the stupid shit I posted here?

  18. Oh come on

    It’s possible for someone in favour of SSM to be fully on board with traditional standards of marriage, with the exception of the sex of one’s spouse. They themselves may be married to someone of the opposite sex. One could also oppose SSM and be in an open relationship with their spouse of the opposite sex, and be screwing whoever they want. Now, you might say either person’s opinion and/or lifestyle choice is wrong-headed, confused, mistaken, immoral, whatever. And you may be right about that. However, neither is hypocritical, per se. We’d need to know more information about their opinions or actions to determine whether they are being hypocritical on the matter.

    It’s only low-IQ mouthbreathers like GrigoRae and the ABC set who are accusing Joyce of hypocrisy wrt his stance on SSM and the subsequent revelations about his affair and marriage breakdown. As above, you could reasonably label Joyce several bad things for the choices he’s made of late. However, the only conceivable way he could be accused of hypocrisy is if, in making his case against SSM, he explicitly held himself and his own marriage up as an example of the virtues of conventional marriage and/or a reason to oppose SSM. If he did do this, I’d like to see where. And if he did, I’ll happily stand corrected and add ‘hypocritical’ to whatever else I think of his recent behaviour.

  19. min

    Dr Howard Brady attended Climate Conference at ANU there were also 3 scientists who presented an alternative view . They were verbally attacked ,one had his papers torn from him and scattered on the floor ,not by students but other academics. interview on 2GB.

  20. Baldrick

    Oh come on
    #2632486, posted on February 9, 2018 at 6:14 pm
    Where was the comment that Grigory M made about him and his wife having breakfast with their imaginary friends at a servo next to a swamp somewhere? He glammed it up a bit, as is his wont, but we all knew what he meant.
    Yet now GrigRae is claiming he never had a wife.

    Here you go OCO:

    Grigory M
    #1449115, posted on September 16, 2014 at 7:11 pm
    Evening, Bruce of Ncle – my wife and I worked last weekend in Newcastle – stayed with friends at their waterfront home on the western shores of Lake Macquarie. On Sunday morning we enjoyed a delicious breakfast of short cut bacon and eggs fried sunny side up on toast with freshly made cappuchinos. Looking out on the placid, glittering water we saw 2 dolphins breaking the surface. Hard to take oneself away to journey in to Kooragang Island – but we did, and saw that the wind turbine is still there, and still not working.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can we have a new thread so no one reads the stupid shit I posted here?

    I just had a sickening thought.
    What if Grigs is not Rae.
    What if Grigs is married to Rae?
    What if they are – dare I say it – a matching pair of socks?

  22. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2632524, posted on February 9, 2018 at 6:51 pm
    C’mon Delta A, you’re just itching to do a massive face-plant.

    You’d be well advised to be careful here GrigoRae. Thin ice ‘n all.

  23. thefrolickingmole

    Wonder if Jim would like to sue someone else?

    First flog on the moon tries to defane someone…

    Senator Jim Molan really is someone for recovering racists to look up to!
    First Dog on the Moon First Dog on the Moon

  24. egg_

    journey in to Kooragang Island… and saw that the wind turbine is still there, and still not working.

    Ah, smell the tokenism.

  25. Nick

    Btw. OCO was looking for some comment by Grigory M about breakfast by a swamp. Maybe a non-existent comment according to his following brief clarification. Nothing to do with my comment about my marriage and expectation to celebrate a future wedding anniversary.

    Why would you care if ‘Grigory M’ commented on any issue or not? Oh hang on…

  26. Roger

    Dr Howard Brady attended Climate Conference at ANU there were also 3 scientists who presented an alternative view . They were verbally attacked ,one had his papers torn from him and scattered on the floor ,not by students but other academics. interview on 2GB.

    They’d burn them at the stake but for the emissions.

  27. testpattern

    ‘Damn. Having a bad hair day’

    Oh Norman. You should go with Michaela Cash to her Jane Jetson salon in Peppy Grove.

  28. egg_

    Grigory M
    #2177658, posted on October 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm
    But I am not raising the topic of weight again here for fear of misunderstandings.

    No misunderstandings here – the wife of Grigory M and her husband are just 5 weeks away from a three week break which includes a cruise on Ovation of the Seas. Their exercise regimen has been increased in anticipation of the food to be enjoyed at every one of the ship’s dining venues.

  29. Oh come on

    Baldrick, if you have time, would you mind providing the Gimp with the comment he made about he and his wife enjoying freshly brewed coffee, short cut bacon and eggs and dolphins frolicking in the bay by his friends’ waterside abode? You posted it a few weeks ago.

    A couple of days ago, Gimpy claimed he’d never had, never will have a “missus”. Or something like that.

    Also that his parents were, IIRC, “alive and well”. He probably lives with them. Although when he says “alive and well”, this doesn’t preclude in the Jimmy Savile sense of the phrase, ie. Savile behaved as though his long-dead mother, who he called “the duchess”, was still alive and well; Savile maintained the apartment they lived in together exactly as it was when she died, he got all her clothes dry-cleaned annually, would call out “‘ello, darlin'” as he passed her bedroom – that sort of “alive and well”.

    I suspect GrigoRae understands that sort of “alive and well”, well…well.

  30. JC

    Marcus Adonis is back.

    I wonder how he’s handling the hungry stares from the young girls at the gym?

  31. Oh come on

    Baldrick, you are a mind reader! Thank you.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    Testes,

    Your European ancestors must be sooooo disappointed.

    Kind of like the Asian parents who dreamed that their son would become a doctor, but he dropped out of high school and became a part-time poet and Uber driver.

  33. Oh come on

    Oh yeah, I forgot about the Coles’ Finest Cappuchino Expresso coffee bags.

  34. Rae

    Why would you care if ‘Grigory M’ commented on any issue or not?

    Comprehension is not your strong suit, Nick. Well, you probably don’t have a strong suit.

    I cared because OCO raised it in a comment that Delta A incorrectly inferred as relating to me. And I took her to task for it. In the very comment that you quoted.

    Try to do better next time, pet.

  35. testpattern

    ‘The idiotic complicity of the Left with Islam’

    Islam is intrinsically rightwing and produces centre-right-extreme right polities. Barnaby will be next. Polygamy by any other name –

    ‘A politician for Germany’s far-right Alternative für Deutschland party, which campaigns on an anti-Muslim ticket, has converted to Islam and left the party, a spokesman has confirmed.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/24/far-right-german-politician-converts-islam-alternative-fur-deutschland

  36. Oh come on

    I wonder how he’s handling the hungry stares from the young girls at the gym?

    LOL another bout of low intensity warfare resumes!

  37. Cactus

    Can i nominate wayne swan as stupidest aussie?

  38. Calli:

    More Strong Women in the Vanguard of Equality!

    The poms made a Vanguard in 4WD and generating enough torque to tow a portaloo?
    How did their automotive industry ever go bust with that level of innovation and agility?

  39. egg_

    On Sunday morning we enjoyed a delicious breakfast of short cut bacon and eggs fried sunny side up on toast

    Wot, no crumpet?

  40. Baldrick

    I’m not sure why GrigoRae is now denying he has a wife. He’s always maintained to have one.
    From the GrigoRae Gourmet Traveller series …

    Grigory M
    #2275123, posted on January 26, 2017 at 12:25 pm
    The beloved wife of Grigory M has purchased a pavlova from Coles – and plenty of fruit, whipped cream, thickened cream, etc to go on it – and Cadbury Flakes to sprinkle on it. Pina Coladas and Susan Day Lemon Lamingtons are being enjoyed right now.

    He’s either lying or he has a barrel full of acid in his basement.

  41. JC

    No you can’t as that award is a crowded field. Shane Wand had a rat cunning for survival too.

  42. Rae

    That’s interesting. The Twitter roach has abandoned its harassment of a 78 year old lady and is now making some kind of threats against another Kitteh

  43. Oh come on

    I cared because OCO raised it in a comment that Delta A incorrectly inferred as relating to me. And I took her to task for it

    Delta’s observation was spot-on. It must be annoying for GrigoRae to realise he’s boxed himself in by his own contradictory lies. That’s the trouble with basing your existence on a web of deceit. You need to recall all of the lies you’ve told in the past so that your present dishonesty doesn’t contradict your past dishonesty. As more and more time passes and the lies pile up, it becomes ever more difficult to keep the steadily increasing number of balls in the air and maintain a credible facade of honesty. GrigoRae clearly hasn’t managed this well at all,

  44. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Islam is intrinsically rightwing and produces centre-right-extreme right polities.

    Clearly not. Islam propogates by collective compulsion and groupthink. Intrinsically left wing.

  45. Muddy

    A Higher Loyalty.

    In his forthcoming book, former FBI director James Comey shares his never-before-told experiences from some of the highest-stakes situations of his career in the past two decades of American government, exploring what good, ethical leadership looks like, and how it drives sound decisions. His journey provides an unprecedented entry into the corridors of power, and a remarkable lesson in what makes an effective leader.

    Mr. Comey served as director of the FBI from 2013 to 2017, appointed to the post by President Barack Obama. He previously served as U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, and the U.S. deputy attorney general in the administration of President George W. Bush. From prosecuting the Mafia and Martha Stewart to helping change the Bush administration’s policies on torture and electronic surveillance, overseeing the Hillary Clinton e-mail investigation as well as ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, Comey has been involved in some of the most consequential cases and policies of recent history.

  46. Tom

    God’s work, Baldrick. From all of us, bless you.

  47. 2dogs

    the Barnaby Joyce affair

    Did he make an employee of his mistress, or a mistress of his employee?

  48. Rae

    Delta’s observation was spot-on.

    Certainly not. See my response to Nick.

    Keep trying though, OCO. Who knows, you might actually say something that is correct. If we all live long enough.

  49. Empire GTHO Phase III

    I’ve always envisaged Rae as Signora Septimus, the better half of a charisma deficit duo who wears the testicles in the house and plays a 1.5 wood from the ladies’ tee.

  50. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Twitter roach has abandoned its harassment of a 78 year old lady and is now making some kind of threats against another Kitteh

    Are you transitioning Grigs?

  51. calli

    The poms made a Vanguard in 4WD and generating enough torque to tow a portaloo?

    Lol. The Trabant of Equality just didn’t sound right.

  52. JC

    Great work . The Garg is 10% of the comments on this thread. 184 of them! Keep rattling his chain and it will go higher , much higher.

  53. Habib

    I’d be a complete and utter bastard and squeeze a simpering, sniveling apology from the pipsqueak, then litigate him to evisceration anyway. There’s still Au Naturale’ anyway, he slagged him in a similar fashion on Sky, and being a Medicare-plundering GP probably has more assets to be relieved of. Certainly hadn’t spent it on staff.

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Muddy
    #2632577, posted on February 9, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    Muddy, “Triumph Forsaken” certainly made fascinating reading – interesting to see the breakdown of the South Vietnamese population by religion. I had always believed in the difficulty of Diem, being a Catholic, ruling a country that was mostly Buddhist. Given it’s the first of two volumes, I’ll be waiting on the second.

  55. Stimpson J. Cat

    Holy sh$t.
    Peak hour traffic, crawling along and the 4WD in front of me suddenly starts rocking and swerving.
    The female driver has gone berserk and started punching on with the passenger.
    They both start giving it to each other.
    Car all over the road, wipers on and off, hazards on and off.
    This goes on for a good five minutes then stops and they drive on.
    Lesbians.
    Every single time.

  56. Baldrick

    Delta’s observation was spot-on.

    They certainly were. GrigoRae doesn’t yet realise the internet is forever, neatly chronologically stored.

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    Great work . The Garg is 10% of the comments on this thread. 184 of them! Keep rattling his chain and it will go higher , much higher.

    185 now JC.
    Don’t encourage him.
    This is a serious economics blog.

  58. Tom

    The Garg is 10% of the comments on this thread. 184 of them!

    That’s what happens when you encourage trolls.

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    First flog on the moon tries to defane someone…

    Looked at that for half a second. Why are there illustrations with all that verbiage?

  60. Delta A

    You’d be well advised to be careful here GrigoRae.

    Thanks, Baldy. Staying clear of this one.

  61. Empire GTHO Phase III

    In his forthcoming book, former FBI director James Comey shares his never-before-told experiences from some of the highest-stakes situations of his career

    That’s nice. I wonder if he will shed light on whether it was him or his brother Peter who fingered an innocent man for rape. Was that when Jim first traded truth for fame? Inquiring minds gotta know Jimbo.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-gunman-the-rapist-the-woodsman-and-young-jim-comey

  62. marcus classis

    Liked some of this monster’s books once upon a time. They are in the garbage now. You may wish to do the same after reading this.

    The Last Closet: The Dark Side of Avalon Kindle Edition
    by Moira Greyland

    The daughter of famed science fiction author Marion Zimmer Bradley has written an autobiographical account revealing the horrors of growing up in a home raised by LGBT parents who repeatedly sexually abused her and her brothers.

    The book recounts Greyland’s life with her mother [Marion Zimmer Bradley], who was the author of The Mists of Avalon and many other famous works of science fiction and fantasy, and her father, Walter Breen, who was a world-renowned authority on numismatics. … both were p*d*philes… LGBT ideology was constantly imposed on the children… Greyland reveals that her parents’ sympathetic views of pedophilia and pederasty had been a public fact for decades, … Breen was an open member of the “North American Man-Boy Love Association,” … He and Zimmer Bradley jointly published a journal on pederasty and p*d*philia…

    “The first time she molested me, I was three. The last time, I was twelve, and able to walk away,” wrote Moira Greyland of her mother.

    “I put Walter in jail for molesting one boy…

    Greyland says she has spoken to many others who were raised by LGBT parents and their stories are very similar to her own.

    Source:

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    James Comey shares his never-before-told experiences from some of the highest-stakes situations of his career in the past two decades of American government, exploring what good, ethical leadership looks like

    Pretty clear that in two decades of exploring he failed to find it.

  64. Tel

    Can we have a new thread so no one reads the stupid shit I posted here?

    I thought your idea about handing the Navy over to women was a good one, I’m just a bit worried about where we will get enough beards from.

    Seriously though, a small, light, fast piece of machinery like a motorbike, fighter aircraft or racing car tends to benefit from a male in control because you need rapid spacial geometry processing, which (on average) tends to advantage the men, and particularly if you select for the best of the best most of what you end up with will be men.

    On the other hand, a large, heavy, slow piece of machinery like a mining truck or a battleship requires patience, long term concentration, and attention to detail… men often get bored easily and skip steps.

  65. JC

    I get it now- why Trump asked Comey three or so times if he was under investigation. Trump knew he was , because someone must have told him. He wanted Comey to lie or see if he would lie.

  66. Roger

    Next Australian Story on Mungo Man.

    I wonder if they’ll impartially discuss the subject of the politically charged controversy around the interpretation of his DNA, or has that now been expunged from history?

  67. Nick

    Facechooking, we had discussion here about a thunder shirt for a Staffy. It mostly works. No pacing or panting, but still nervous.

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Can we have a new thread so no one reads the stupid shit I posted here?

    Cheer up Arky. We are few but we are many who pour out our domestic woes online.
    It’s all in the spirit of keeping the conversation rolling until we get geared up to do better.

    Miracles. Hairy has had my Audi fixed already.
    No panel replacement this time, just wheel re-balancing and a new tyre.
    Cost around $500. About the same as his last speeding fine.
    We are agreed that you have to treat dings just as you would fines: as fated.
    He’ll get he marks on the wheel taken out later. 🙂

  69. Muddy

    Zulu.
    I’m looking forward to the second volume too, though I suspect he has become side-tracked. His last was on the U.S special forces (I don’t have a copy yet).

    What I found refreshing about ‘Triumph’ was his analysis of the some of the statistics, rather than simply taking them at face value.

    Cheers.

  70. areff

    The poms made a Vanguard in 4WD

    A long-stroking Roots engine always gets the gals engaging the clutch.

  71. Oh come on

    Most of the people like Swan Dive aren’t stupid. They’re probably quite bright, often very bright. If a smart person’s first premises are fundamentally wrong, they – much more so than someone less intelligent – can get quite a way justifying their beliefs and actions to themselves and others, and can even build an impressive edifice on the basis of those fundamental errors. See the USSR.

    Not to compare the Australian ruling class with their Soviet counterparts – the Russkies make our bunch look like dullards. That’s not a rip on our statists as compared to Soviet statists; more a reflection of the differing natures of the two systems. It takes a bunch of very smart people to hold together a centrally planned system of government at the level of a superpower for 70 years. Also, there are many avenues of opportunity for very smart people to manifest their intelligence in a free society, but in the Soviet Union there were far fewer.

    In any event, ours aren’t stupid. They are perhaps unimaginative and egotistical ideologues who either lack the moral fibre or are too arrogant to admit their bungling, and instead attempt to fix what they wrought with a ‘solution’ – brought forth from the same mould that their previous ‘solution’, which caused the problem, emerged – and the problem is compounded.

    That’s not to say there aren’t stupid members of the ruling class. But I highly doubt the rulers of the ruling class are stupid. They may do the same kinds of stupid things over and over and over again because, well, see above. However, in general, stupid people don’t get to the top, let alone stay there.

  72. Chris

    The ABC Australian Story will almost certainly go ask Australia’s Greatest Public Intellectual what the correct socialist answer is today.

  73. Roger

    Islam is intrinsically rightwing and produces centre-right-extreme right polities.

    I beg to differ.

    But shall we simply agree it’s illiberal and incompatible with the best of the Western tradition?

  74. Rae

    Staying clear of this one.

    Really? And there you were earlier tonight courageously sniping at me from the sidelines.

  75. Oh come on

    Keep rattling his chain and it will go higher , much higher.

    You’re right, he’s become boring now. Will leave the weird little man be for the moment.

  76. Chris

    A long-stroking Roots engine always gets the gals engaging the clutch

    Not sure where you are going with this. A Stirling Cycle external combustion engine offers opportunities – they could run it on methane from the trailer. Or, indeed the main cabin if they are vegans.

  77. Oh come on

    PS you bothered to count all of his posts? Above and beyond, that is. Or madness.

  78. The coordinated attack on Jim Molan indicates the left are fearful of him.
    Possibly as the leader of a re-invigorated Conservative party.

  79. Baldrick

    Cardinal George Pell’s lawyers seek access to complainants’ medical records

    Lawyers for Cardinal George Pell are seeking access to the medical records of complainants in the case against him.
    Cardinal Pell, 76, is set to face a four-week committal hearing in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court next month as he fights historical sexual offence charges involving multiple complainants.

    Then TheirABC bemoans …

    No other details of the case against him can be reported for legal reasons.

    Accept of course if you buy a copy of TheirABC’s book by Louise Milligan.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Facechooking, we had discussion here about a thunder shirt for a Staffy. It mostly works. No pacing or panting, but still nervous.

    You can get similar straight jackets to calm cats, but I doubt I could get Attapuss into one.
    When he had a ringworm face he was supposed to wear a neck funnel; no luck with that at all.
    He doesn’t mind thunder, but he does get freaked out by doorbells and phones ringing.

  81. Geriatric Mayfly

    I wonder if they’ll impartially discuss the subject of the politically charged controversy around the interpretation of his DNA, or has that now been expunged from history?

    I was in America when Kennewick Man was pulled from the Columbia river strata. The attempts to squirrel him away from prying probes was quite diverting. When found there was a theory that he might pre-date the Red Indians, and may have even had some ancestry not connected via the Behring Straits.

  82. Rae

    PS you bothered to count all of his posts?

    Grig, Grog, Garg, Googlery, etc didn’t make any posts here. Not one.b But a number of people here have been mentioning him by various names all day. That’s what JC has counted. An I rite JC?

    Your infatuation with him is fascinating. Fascinating.

  83. JC

    Roger

    How much better is it to be living in say a Sweden or the Emirates? I’m attempting to compare two places with at least a semblance of an equal standard of living.

    Imagine living in a leftist society an typical Q&A audience would like to create, which is perhaps a couple of parliamentary seats away from creation.

    The West’s existential threat is not Islam. It’s leftism using Islam.

  84. Empire GTHO Phase III

    In his forthcoming book, former FBI director James Comey shares his never-before-told experiences from some of the highest-stakes situations of his career

    That’s nice. I wonder if he will shed light on whether it was him or his brother Peter who fingered an innocent man. Was that when Jim first traded truth for fame? Inquiring minds gotta know Jimbo.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-gunman-the-rapist-the-woodsman-and-young-jim-comey

  85. Baldrick

    Looks like you’ve found a new friend JC

  86. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I didn’t know Cardinal Pell had a female rellie (sister or cousin?) a nun, who after twenty seven years in a convent fell in love with a woman called “Peg” and lives in a lesbian relationship with her now..

    I only found it out while I was reading the current Women’s Weekly in Coles check-out queue an hour or so ago. Thus my grasp on the details is necessarily sketchy. Trust that rag to put the boot into Pell in some way if they possibly can.

  87. Empire GTHO Phase III

    R a p ist is a moderated word now?

  88. Zatara

    In his forthcoming book, former FBI director James Comey shares his never-before-told experiences from some of the highest-stakes situations of his career

    The word in publishing circles is that they are scrambling like mad to get the book onto the shelves and hopefully sell a few before the DoJ IG’s report comes out.

    After that it’ll join Hillary’s in the 80% off bin.

  89. Roger

    The coordinated attack on Jim Molan indicates the left are fearful of him. Possibly as the leader of a re-invigorated Conservative party.

    For that prospect to be credible Jim has to explain his support for Hillary over Trump in 2016, not to mention his present membership in the Liberal Party and support for its policies.

  90. Delta A

    Granddaughter just rang to ask who composed the music used in the excellent highway scene from Breaking Away, a family favourite.

    Mendelssohn, of course. The Italian Symphony.

    And, if the link works, here it is:

  91. Infidel Tiger

    R a p ist is a moderated word now?

    You can thank me and Bill Shorten’s youth camp crime for that.

  92. Roger

    The West’s existential threat is not Islam. It’s leftism using Islam.

    Agree, JC.

    But the Left has introduced a virus it cannot control.

  93. Oh come on

    Here’s a foolproof test to sort the fundamentalist atheists into their two categories: stupid and fucking stupid. Ask them the following two questions:

    Are you an atheist? Yes or no.

    Do you consider yourself a spiritual person? Yes or no.

    The stupid atheists answer ‘no’ to the second question. The fucking stupid atheists answer ‘yes’ to both.

  94. calli

    They’ve all got a book in them don’t they? A sycophantic MSM just isn’t enough.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “The first time she molested me, I was three. The last time, I was twelve, and able to walk away,” wrote Moira Greyland of her mother.

    That horrible; and so sad for her. People knowing I am interested in King Arthur often ask me if I’ve read ‘The Mists of Avalon’. I haven’t, because I hate things that try to put a ‘feminist’ or any contemporary interpretation over life in ancient Britain; rather as that show Britannia does too.

    Glad now that I’ve never paid the book any attention at all except to dismiss it from things that are interesting about the Auld King.

  96. Oh come on

    Ps. the definition of a fundamentalist atheist is the kind that lets you know they’re an atheist within half a minute of meeting them.

  97. Nick

    A great opinion piece on the Vatican’ s sucking up to China:

    http://biglychee.com/?p=19181

  98. For that prospect to be credible Jim has to explain his support for Hillary over Trump in 2016

    True.

  99. Stimpson J. Cat

    Grig, Grog, Garg, Googlery, etc

    You forgot Gimp, Gimp.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Must go. See y’all later. Play safe and nicely.

  101. Oh come on

    A great opinion piece on the Vatican’ s sucking up to China:

    God, why bother? The ChiComs will never permit a church that they don’t totally control to legally operate.

  102. Oh come on

    Mother is close, father is close, and – ok, why not? –
    we’ll even let you say God is close – but none is as close as President Xi. Forever and ever, amen. That’s as good as the Vatican will get out of the ChiComs.

  103. Oh come on

    Mother is close, father is close, and – ok, why not? -we’ll even let you say God is close – but none is as close as President Xi. Forever and ever, amen. That’s as good as the Vatican will get out of the ChiComs.

  104. C.L.

    ‘Garry McDonald would never have been allowed to do Gunston’

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  105. Geriatric Mayfly

    I didn’t know Cardinal Pell had a female rellie (sister or cousin?) a nun, who after twenty seven years in a convent fell in love with a woman called “Peg” and lives in a lesbian relationship with her now..

    Margaret Pell (sister) played violin in the MSO. I think she still gives violin tuition. I was an acquaintance of Margaret’s some time ago.

  106. areff

    Not sure where you are going with this.

    Pardon me, but I’ve always had a thing for Roots engines, with which the Vanguard was equipped. Likewise those lovely Sunbeams of years gone by.

    Had I wished to be smutty there would have been reference to wet sumps and pistons at TDC

  107. Pedro the Ignorant

    I passed a very sad Victorian caravaner earlier today looking at the wreckage of his $100K van on the side of the Great Northern Highway.

    Apparently had an argument with a giant Haulpak being transported north over who owned the road and the Haulpak won.

    Not surprising. This is a Haulpak.

  108. Empire GTHO Phase III

    You can thank me and Bill Shorten’s youth camp crime for that.

    Thanks pal. I was trying to troll Lyin’ Big Jim Comey. The Dailybeast article has the word in the URL.

  109. Rae

    You forgot Gimp, Gimp.

    No, I didn’t.

    Stimp the Gimp.

    There you go. As I said last night, I thought you were excellent in Pulp Fiction. Those bulging eyes against the skin tight black rubber/plastic. And the frantic activity when Butch got himself free. I’m just amazed you didn’t get a nomination:

    Best Stimp the Gimp
    Best Gimp newcomer in a Stimp role.
    Best bald-headed Gimp in a black rubber/plastic suit.
    Best overseas Gimp from Australia.
    Best Gimp eye-roll evah.

    You were a natural. God damn, Kidman got an Oscar for 10 minutes as Virginia Woolfe in The Hours. You played the hardest role of all. Yourself. As Stimp the Gimp. And got nothing … !!??

  110. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Had I wished to be smutty there would have been reference to wet sumps and pistons at TDC

    Get the timing wrong and you’ll bend a rod..

  111. zyconoclast

    University to spend $121 million on diversity efforts – and maybe more in two years

    Freshmen forced to study ‘diversity, bias, and privilege’

    Last fall, Columbia University pledged to spend an extra $100 million on diversity efforts over five years.

    Not content to play second fiddle on diversity spending, American University is spending even more, even faster.

    The private university in Washington, D.C., plans to shell out $121 million in the next two years on its “Plan for Inclusive Excellence.”

  112. Delta A

    Pardon me, but I’ve always had a thing for Roots engines,

    Best Man remembers when Chrysler bought out Roots and the word around the workshops was, ‘Chrysler Roots Australia.’

  113. Chris

    I wonder if Bill Leak envisaged the classroom gimp wearing human skinsuits like our sock-inhabiting friend here?

  114. zyconoclast

    The coordinated attack on Jim Molan indicates the left are fearful of him.
    Possibly as the leader of a re-invigorated Conservative party.

    At 67 and only his first week in parliament I think he is too old to reinvigorate the Libs.Impossible task for anyone.

    Also the fact he did not take down Adam Bandit shows he does not have the fight left in him.

  115. zyconoclast

    didn’t know Cardinal Pell had a female rellie (sister or cousin?) a nun, who after twenty seven years in a convent fell in love with a woman called “Peg” and lives in a lesbian relationship with her now..

    An unfortunate name. It can lead to questions like this:

    Does this “Peg” fit into a round hole?

  116. Mark A

    Delta A
    #2632625, posted on February 9, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    That movie is no longer on SBS.
    Was it good enough to hunt for it?
    Thanks.

  117. zyconoclast

    EXCLUSIVE: M-103 “Anti-Islamphobia” Report exposes Trudeau’s plan to destroy rights & freedoms

    The Liberals have released their official report on M-103, the parliamentary motion that calls for a “whole of government” approach to fighting “Islamophobia.”

  118. zyconoclast

    Berlin New Year’s Eve Sex Assault Numbers Three Times Those Previously Reported

    Earlier this year, Berlin police claimed that there had been 13 cases of sexual assault over New Year’s Eve but a new request for information from libertarian Free Democratic Party (FDP) politician Marcel Luthe has caused the police to substantially revise the number, Focus reports.

    Police now say that there were at least 37 cases of sexual assault reported which puts the number just slightly above that of the previous year, rather than a decline as previously reported.

  119. zyconoclast

    EU Demands Unprecedented Powers to Punish Britain During Transition Period for ‘Misbehaviour’

    Leaked European Union documents show the bloc moving to acquire widespread and unprecedented powers over the United Kingdom during the so-called transition period which would be used to punish the United Kingdom if it doesn’t act as instructed by its political masters in Brussels.
    The five-page draft treaty circulated ahead of EU Brexit boss Michel Barnier’s forthcoming trip to European capitals to whip up support for his negotiating positions would give the European Union “unprecedented powers” which come with no oversight by European courts over the United Kingdom, reports The Times.

  120. notafan

    Is it possible to sue when a public apology has been made?

    I’d say Bandt’s second apology is clear indication that Molan had him on the run.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’d say Bandt’s second apology is clear indication that Molan had him on the run.

    I’m wondering whether Molan was advised that suing one of the Greens – the good, the holy, the saintly Greens – could backfire?

  122. Tintarella di Luna

    marcus classis
    #2632594, posted on February 9, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    Greyland says she has spoken to many others who were raised by LGBT parents and their stories are very similar to her own.

    I’ve just read that article linked in marcus classis’ comment – grotesque

  123. Bruce of Newcastle

    Also the fact he did not take down Adam Bandit shows he does not have the fight left in him.

    Nope. It means a bunch of people have talked with to him.
    The wet Libs want the type of people who vote for Bandt.
    So a big fight with Bandt would not be in the interest of the Lib wets.
    It comes down to the same choice: ‘like it’ or leave.
    I suspect Molan would prefer to stay in and try and fix the party after the ashes of the next election settle and Mal is gone.

  124. egg_

    At 67 and only his first week in parliament I think he is too old to reinvigorate the Libs.Impossible task for anyone.

    Shows up the status of Trumble’s bedwetters.

  125. Delta A

    Was it good enough to hunt for it?

    Mark, it was a very sweet – almost naive – funny family movie, concerning a young cycling fanatic who is obsessed with the visiting Italian team. Part of the movie deals with this obsession and his father’s clumsy attempts to cope with that. Several little sub-plots leading up to the big race and the harsh eye-opener that forces the young man to see his heroes in their true, unflattering light.

    Lots of popular classical music, including a whimsical rendition of M’appari tutt’amor.

    Safe for children and maiden aunts. Available on U-tube.

  126. Nick

    It’s a great film Delta.

  127. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m wondering whether Molan was advised that suing one of the Greens – the good, the holy, the saintly Greens – could backfire?

    The Sunbather practices in the area of defamation and said Molan would be very unwise to commence proceedings. I think Bandt has reconsidered his position because the Greens know how spectacularly and badly defamations actions can backfire.

  128. Rae

    Molan out-bluffed Bandt. Based on what was reported to have been said by Bandt there is no way an action for defamation by Molan could have been sustained.

  129. Delta A

    We love it, Nick. It also has some deeper messages and observations of teenage life in ‘them dark days’, but unlike the preachy style so favoured these days, that doesn’t obliterate the entertainment value.

  130. Rae

    I said as much here 2 days ago.

  131. notafan

    In the absence of the second, profuse, apology.

  132. marcus classis

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2632665, posted on February 9, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    Yes, it’s horrible beyond words.

    The book is worse: a grim but essential read. Moira Greyland and her brother changed their names specifically to reject their ‘parents’ and everything to do with them. Both are mental wrecks, 9, 10 years of being raped by your so-called ‘mum’ or ‘dad’ will do that.

    None of this is a surprise except to the peddo/homosexual enabling left, who are persecuting Greyland and strongly supporting homosexual adoptions of children. And if creatures like Troung and Newton have a surrogate baby boy and raise him as a living sex toy (as they did, molesting him from 2 weeks of age), the left just do not care.

  133. candy

    Islam is intrinsically rightwing and produces centre-right-extreme right polities.’

    testpattern
    I read that article you submitted. I tend to think it is a bit of a generalisation that Islam is extreme right wing because one chap in a party converted to Islam.
    I always think that a person who finds solace in a religion, any religion, is following something they need to do. It is right for them. They believe in a God whatever God that is – it’s okay you know? all paths lead to the one God. That is true.

    Religion in the end is an individual thing. It does not mean because a chap from a right wing party that converted to Islam that Islam is an extremist right wing religion. You now, that’s a little over the top.

  134. 132andBush

    Not surprising. This is a Haulpak.

    Always remember the blast from those twin exhausts. At full noise it’s enough to rock a big bloke back on your feet and push over slightly built girls.

  135. egg_

    the second, profuse, apology.

    Molan: 1
    Greentards: 0

  136. Mark A

    Delta A
    #2632669, posted on February 9, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Appreciated Delta, M Pomeranz move over.
    The Cat is a fount of knowledge (among other things, alas)

  137. egg_

    I said as much here 2 days ago.

    Thanks, GimpoRae.

  138. Tom

    BREAKING: new five-and-a-half-hour US government shutdown appears to be over after Dems side with GOP in the House and Senate early Friday to massively increase government spending, including, for the first time, a two-year deal to fund the military.

  139. Tintarella di Luna

    the Barnaby Joyce affair

    Did he make an employee of his mistress, or a mistress of his employee?

    Hard to tell I now refer to it as The Beetroot and the Scarlet Woman

  140. egg_

    I thought GimpoRae would be busy watching Jake Queer’n’all?

  141. Habib

    PTI, there is a god. And a spiteful bastard as well.

    OCO, sorry, but Swan (accurately referred to by then PMC staffers as “TDC”) is actually stupider than a sack of retarded Irish hammers that’ve been forced to watch an endless loop of “the Project” while huffing petrol, glue and mothballs.

  142. 132andBush

    OCO, sorry, but Swan (accurately referred to by then PMC staffers as “TDC”) is actually stupider than a sack of retarded Irish hammers that’ve been forced to watch an endless loop of “the Project” while huffing petrol, glue and mothballs.

    And even worse when he’s awake.

  143. Tintarella di Luna

    the left just do not care.

    That’s why: Sinistrum delenda est – the left must be destroyed.

  144. Tintarella di Luna

    accurately referred to by then PMC staffers as “TDC”

    reference to TDC’s dense but aristocratic bearing no doubt

  145. And now for a musical interlude

    The great man himself.

  146. Rae

    To me, when the camera shows him in Question Time, Swan looks like Mr Toad from Wind in the Willows.

  147. Delta A

    Crikey, Carpe, even I managed to get it right. (Although, TBH, I’m still not sure how I did it.)

  148. zyconoclast

    Finnish police: Knife attacker identified with IS

    Finnish police say the Moroccan asylum-seeker who killed two people and wounded eight others in last year’s stabbing attack in southwestern Finland identified strongly with the Islamic State group and was motivated largely by hatred after heavy bombardments by the Western-led coalition in the Syrian city of Raqqa.

  149. Habib

    TdL, I’m informed it was the dumb “creature”.

  150. Stimpson J. Cat

    I said as much here 2 days ago.

    Well done Grigs.
    Pat on the head.
    Good Gimp.

  151. Roger

    z @ 10:08pm

    Tell us something we don’t know.

  152. zyconoclast

    3 African youths convicted of Rimini rapes

    Rimini, February 8 – Three African youths were convicted Thursday of raping a Polish tourist on a Rimini beach after brutally beating her partner and then raping a Peruvian woman a little later on August 26 in the Romagna resort in a case that shocked the nation. The three minors – two Moroccan brothers aged 15 and 17, and a 16-year-old Nigerian – were sentenced to nine years and eight months in jail after being found guilty on all nine charges.
    The three were found to be the accomplices of a 20-year-old Congolese man deemed the ringleader of the gang, Guerlin Butungu.

  153. Habib

    He lacks the wit and charm of Mr Toad, let alone his looks. Much more akin to this iteration. Complete with the glands behind the jawline.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Fillem review … 15:17 to Paris.

    “A one dimensional xenophobic view of the complexities of modern European life. There is no exploration of the legitimate motivations of the outsider to address the undoubted injustices perpetrated on Muslims by the USA. Nor is there any focus on the cracks in the under-funded mental health system through which Ayoub El Khazzani might have fallen. In fact, Ayoub El Khazzani becomes anonymous, and all we see is the unseemly spectacle of the American idiots abroad interfering in the customs of European life – that is, the acceptance of multicultural culling on public transport.

  155. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2632675, posted on February 9, 2018 at 9:33 pm
    I said as much here 2 days ago.

    Yes, you’ve said quite a bit in the last 2 days and all of it crap.

  156. urb

    Cats – economics unrelated question – have been looking for why a friends physical facial appearance looks the same over time (or as you remembered it to be) . thoughts or explanation appreciated

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yes, you’ve said quite a bit in the last 2 days and all of it crap.

    I’ll second that remark, Balders.

  158. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Baldrick, FWIW, John Hamilton – who wrote the biography of Hugo Throssell, V.C. – has just had an earlier title reissued in hardcover. “Fatal Charge at Gallipoli – The Light Horse at the Nek, August 1915.” Good reading.

  159. Arky

    Cats – economics unrelated question – have been looking for why a friends physical facial appearance looks the same over time (or as you remembered it to be) . thoughts or explanation appreciated

    ..
    The only explanation is you are Grigory and you have preserved your friend in formaldehyde.
    You monster.
    .

  160. Mark A

    urb
    #2632705, posted on February 9, 2018 at 10:42 pm

    Cats – economics unrelated question – have been looking for why a friends physical facial appearance looks the same over time (or as you remembered it to be) . thoughts or explanation appreciated

    That’s crap. No explanation needed. Some old school mates whom I haven’t seen in 30 years are barely or not at all recognizable.

    Arky got it in one.

  161. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    17 Feb will mark 150 years since the Flying Foam massacre, the genocide of the J[y]aburara in the Pilbara. 8 more days and counting down to Flying Foam Massacre Remembrance Day.
    The Killing Fields of Murujuga
    http://www.dampierrockart.net/Robert%20Bednarik%20massacre.pdf

    More “stories that my Nanna told me” – “Mistake Creek” and “Bedford Downs” are two places that spring to mind.

  162. urb

    #2632709, posted on February 9, 2018 at 10:51 pm

    no, you fucking tit. its a legit question but thanks for your input.

  163. Pedro the Ignorant

    Cats – economics unrelated question – have been looking for why a friends physical facial appearance looks the same over time (or as you remembered it to be) . thoughts or explanation appreciated

    They have a large portrait in the attic of an age raddled oldster.

    Nobody is allowed to see it.

  164. urb

    #2632710, posted on February 9, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    spooky as i was asking the question due to an upcoming 30 year school reunion

  165. Arky

    no, you fucking tit

    ..
    I’m not right now, might be later.

  166. Arky

    Did your friend have very oily skin as a youngster?

  167. Mark A

    urb
    #2632715, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:04 pm

    #2632710, posted on February 9, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    spooky as i was asking the question due to an upcoming 30 year school reunion

    Oh my God, that is spooky. I’ll never live it down.
    That will learn me not replaying to unknown/unfamiliar posters.

  168. C.L.

    This has now become a turkey shoot:

    Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrump

    Wow! Senator Mark Warner got caught having extensive contact with a lobbyist for a Russian oligarch. Warner did not want a “paper trail” on a “private” meeting (in London) he requested with Steele of fraudulent Dossier fame. All tied into Crooked Hillary.

  169. Habib

    Botox and/or mortuary cosmetics.

  170. Gab

    The 15:17 to Paris review: Is this Clint Eastwood’s worst-ever film?

    It has 10 good minutes, and you can guess which events they cover. The rest is a mixture of patriotism, sentimentalism, god-bothering and flag-waving … and you can also guess which flag he’s waving.

    Sounds like my type of movie!

  171. Getting old and cranky.
    Winter Olympics opening ceremony spoiled by athletes behaving like it is a closing ceremony.

  172. urb

    tough crowd for an honest question. if you think i am grigs or wotever then thats fine. happy to provide a pm address

  173. Pedro the Ignorant

    It’s late Friday night and the insomniac Cats are usually well and truly lubricated by now.

  174. Leigh Lowe

    Gab

    #2632722, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    The 15:17 to Paris review: Is this Clint Eastwood’s worst-ever film?

    Despite my bullshit review above, I saw it tonight.
    It is brilliant.
    Using the real characters was high risk and their acting in the lead-up scenes might be seen as “stilted” but all that says is that it lacks normal Hollywood posturing.
    I think it captures perfectly the naivety of first-time travellers abroad.
    The fight scene is tense, realistic and graphically shot.
    Probably Clint’s biggest risk and greatest triumph.
    And, fuck it all, those boys deserve immortality.

  175. Gab

    It’s late Friday night and the insomniac Cats are usually well and truly lubricated by now.

    Nope. Only 2 glasses of champagne tonight at dinner. I have to drive 🙁

  176. Gab

    Thanks, Leigh for your review. It’s now moved up to “must see” status.

  177. Pedro the Ignorant

    I am taking your share Gab.

    Working my way through a nice cold slab. Yum.

  178. Top Ender

    Dr Mike Shooter, one of Britain’s most distinguished child psychiatrists, was recently at a conference where he ran into a former student who is now a senior consultant psychiatrist. “He said to me, ‘You will never believe how things have changed. Seventy-five per cent of the kids I see have either got ADHD or they are somewhere on the autistic spectrum,’ ” Shooter recalls. “I said, ‘No they aren’t, it’s just that you have diagnosed them as that.’

    Autism in all its degrees has been much more recognised today than it used to be and there is a lot of work being done with kids day to day, but it is vastly over-diagnosed. In some cases it’s a sort of middle-class parents’ way out of having to accept any of the responsibility for what their kid is like. It’s almost a badge of honour, people carry it around like a handbag.”

    Shooter, a former president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists (the first specialist in children and adolescents to hold the post), says that some parents like a diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome (a condition on the autism spectrum) because many of those with the developmental disability have high cognitive function or intense interests. “It’s something you can boast about: ‘My kid’s got Asperger’s.’ ‘Oh yes, I read something about that. I think one of my kids might have had a touch of Asperger’s.’ It becomes a bit of kudos.”

    Shooter says parents and therapists are keen on medical diagnoses for children’s problems because there is an unspoken “contract” between them. In his fascinating new memoir he writes that parents like to see their worries validated, and a diagnosis “reduces the stigma of their child’s behaviour among family, friends and teachers’‘. Meanwhile child psychiatrists “have a need to be seen as ‘proper doctors’, treating illnesses that are defined by research and the randomised controlled trial’‘.

    He says: “They can be seen to be doing something: ‘I have given you a pill’ or ‘I haven’t given you a pill.’ Whereas agreeing to meet every week for six months doesn’t feel like doing something and actually feels to a lot of psychiatrists very dangerous. And managers, bless them, will only get money if they can show throughput of clients.”

    Shooter believes that depression is a growing problem with children, but not all unhappy children are depressed. “It’s a bit like flu and the common cold. People with the common cold say they have flu. If you get flu you really know what flu is. When you see a kid whose depression is overflowing his whole life, that is really something. That is not to say that the kids on a lower level [of anxiety] shouldn’t get help; of course they should.”

    ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) exists, but its diagnosis is “very much overdone’‘. He gives the example of Bryn, an eight-year-old whose parents were convinced he had ADHD. Shooter observed his impeccable behaviour at his Scout group one evening and thought that the boy’s disruptive behaviour at school might be more to do with the stress his distracted parents were under since they worked long hours in professional jobs.

    He refused to give the boy medication. After a family holiday in Majorca, Bryn’s parents were amazed by his improved behaviour. They attributed this to Bryn not drinking milk during the trip, not the fact that he had enjoyed the relaxed, worry-free attention of his parents. Shooter allowed them to persist in their delusion. What mattered was that the boy was happier.

    Shooter, who also served as president of the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy, tells the story of the more than 40 years he has spent working with young people in Wales in Growing Pains, a book that is as much about his development as the children he helps.

    He describes himself as “quite experimental, even iconoclastic, ignoring the rules for the patient’s benefit’‘. At 73 he is retired from clinical work, but is still working in the voluntary sector. He is critical of the state system for treating children with mental health issues, which he believes is tied up in regulations and unnecessary formality that is not helping our under-pressure children as they become unhappier.

    His childhood in Derbyshire was difficult. His father, a lay preacher, disapproved of his casual approach to life, fuelling an anger in Shooter that led to him being expelled from school at 17 for punching a hole in the library door. He left home, worked as a navvy and erected show tents, and then a year later went to read history and law at Cambridge, where he met his wife, Mary. He dropped out and worked as a lorry driver, gardener, carpet seller and teacher. A spell as a reporter on the Sheffield Telegraph changed his life.

    One Sunday afternoon he went to see an old lady who had insisted she had an urgent yarn to tell. Over a pot of tea she gave him a scoop. “I’ve killed me husband with a lump of wood,” she told him. “Would you like to see him? He’s in the bedroom.”

    Shooter went to look. “There he was, dead as a dodo with a golf club in his hand which he was going to hit her with first,” he recalls. “We went back and had another pot of tea and I said, ‘You know, love, I think we’d better ring the police.’ And she said, ‘I thought you’d say that. I’d have done it meself, but I’m not very good on the telephone.’ ”

    The lady was eventually acquitted of murder and Shooter was ready for a life of listening quietly. “I can’t think there is much in my medical training that prepared me for what I did, but journalism taught me to listen to people and make sense of their stories and hold people’s anxieties while I got the story out of them.”

    The other critical influence on his life was his mental illness. He had two children when he went back to Cambridge to study medicine and in his final year he became “thunderously depressed’‘.

    The treatment he received persuaded him to become a psychiatrist. He likes treating patients with a combination of medicine and talk. “Having a recurrent depression has been incredibly important to the way I work. My therapy was a success. Medication was important, but much more important was the space that the psychotherapist gave me to explore my story. You cannot possibly get close enough to a patient emotionally unless you get close emotionally to your own unfinished bits.”

    Not for him the methods of some child psychiatrists who “wear a white coat and a stethoscope and hide behind a clinic desk and never venture into the community”. Shooter’s approach, which sometimes pitted him against his managers, was to roam deep into the south Wales valleys to visit troubled children at home, school or at their Scout meetings to build a proper understanding of their backgrounds.

    He must have driven bureaucrats to distraction, but talking to him you start to wonder how much better the state of children’s mental health might be with a couple more Shooters in every town.

    Some of his methods sound distinctly unorthodox. One day he met two children whose father had been so badly mutilated in a car accident that their mother decided not to let them say goodbye to him in the three days that he clung to life. Shooter pushed two chairs together and lay on them as if they were a hospital bed. The children sat on either side of him and chattered away about what they had wanted to say to their dad. When they finally stopped their mother came over, took his arm and with tears streaming down her face said, as if to her husband: “I never found out … whether you knew … that I loved you.”

    On another occasion Shooter was called in the middle of the night to a house where eight-year-old Danny was threatening to hang himself after a row with his mother’s boyfriend. He found an angry and confused boyfriend and the boy’s mother crouched on the hall floor pleading with her son not to jump from the landing above. He had a dressing gown cord round his neck attached to a banister.

    Shooter calculated that the cord or the banister would probably break, but also that the boy was exhausted and “desperate to be rescued from the position of power he got himself into’‘. To defuse the tension Shooter said: “Is that really the time … I’m desperate for a cup of tea. Would Danny like a snack before he goes to bed?” The three adults disappeared into the living room and Danny, his eyes closing fast, followed soon afterwards.

    Risk is essential when trying to help children, Shooter believes, even when the threat of disciplinary action makes medicine more risk-averse by the year. It is also vital that kids are allowed to take risks, “otherwise they don’t develop healthily’‘.

    Striking the middle ground between protecting and suffocating a child is tricky whether you are dealing with a toddler who wants to roam or a teenager. “Adolescents need their private world, they need to explore it, they need to think about sex and drugs and rock and roll, but good parents know that they also need some boundaries otherwise those kids have got to behave more and more bizarrely in order to find the boundaries.”

    When one of his daughters was a teenager she ran away from home after a row over a boyfriend. One of her brothers knew where she was and, reassured that she was safe, Shooter did not pry further. He sent a message through his son saying he and his wife were going away for the weekend, but they would be delighted if she was back when they returned and they would not say anything more about the incident until she wanted to. She came home.

    Studies suggest that children are unhappier than in the past, but is this true or are we just talking about mental health more? “Probably there is a level of unhappiness that has increased over the years,” Shooter says. “We are recognising more of it, though we are not offering help as much as we should and I think there are vehicles for unhappiness that weren’t there before, like social media.”

    Yet he is a fan of social media and was struck that when there was a cluster of suicides in Bridgend, anxious young people said they were helped most by a website set up by sixth-formers at one of the schools involved. However, as a society we need to look at the rise in self-harming and at the intense peer pressure some teenagers feel that leads them to check updates on their phones constantly, even through the night. “I think that level of self-harm is telling adults, ‘I can’t deal with this, you have to help me.’ ”

    Parents should talk to their children about what they are looking at online and how much time they are spending on their phones, he says. “Parents should get involved. A lot of parents I have seen have been paralysed because they recognise kids’ need for a private world. They have to talk about it to kids even though they may get surly.

    “There are lots of kids who are on social media virtually the whole of the night and if they can’t resist that you need to take it away.”

    Sometimes the treatment of mental illness is hamstrung by preconceptions about class. “There is a temptation to equate emotional poverty with material poverty,” Shooter says. “On big estates in rough run-down areas you come across families who have not only survived emotionally but prospered, and similarly you go to upper-middle-class families with two parents, both working all the hours under the sun to pay for an enormous mortgage and so on, where it is the most sterile of atmospheres. There is no play, no sleepovers and the kids are forced into academic work hour after hour after hour because parents think that is the only way.”

    Shooter was never reconciled with his father and has bequeathed his own mental health “vulnerability” to at least two of his four grown-up children, but he believes that because their communication is better their depressive episodes are fewer and shorter.

    One of the key lessons he has learnt is that families in trouble should get help as early as possible so the same story is not replayed from one generation to another. “Instead of giving people diagnoses that they have to obey as passive recipients we have to work out what the problem is with this kid and how he or she might be empowered so they can face that situation and find a different ending to the story.”

    The Times

  179. Gab

    Thanks, Pedro. You’re a good friend to do that for m 😀

  180. urb

    #2632716, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    might as well arks, everyone else has.
    pile on tough guys

  181. Helen

    Naked swimming this afternoon, in the billabong. Sublime.

  182. Habib

    No piss tonight, trying to work. On the gas tomorrow.

    Act of Valour was made with real SEALs, bit wooden in the lead up but spot on in any blues, none of this Hollywood bollocks off point and spray, with magic mags that never empty. All aimed shots with a maximum of a triple tap.

  183. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Cats – economics unrelated question – have been looking for why a friends physical facial appearance looks the same over time (or as you remembered it to be) . thoughts or explanation appreciated

    Some do, some don’t. Weight gain, hair loss, substance abuse, illness and a tough life can radically change a man’s appearance. Add child bearing and menopause for women.

    I’ve had people approach me at wakes and reunions in recent years and had NFI who they were.

    Not everyone stays lean and handsome. I guess I got lucky with the DNA lottery.

  184. Arky

    No.
    You’re not Grigs, urb. I knew that.
    Relax.

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s late Friday night and the insomniac Cats are usually well and truly lubricated by now.

    A bottle of white, followed by a bottle of good Margaret River red, half a bottle of port, and several large Scotches? Moi, lubricated? Monstrous untruth!

  186. Arky

    Staying out of the sun.
    Gently pork up slightly as the years progress to bloat out the wrinkles.
    That’s the secret of my youthful good looks.
    Shut up Empire.

  187. Arky

    And anyone else here who has seen me in person.
    Actually, I look exactly like my Gravatar.

  188. Top Ender

    Bloody hell Zulu, remind me not to take you on.

    1.5 bottles of medium red here thank you very much.

  189. Entropy

    Helen
    #2632739, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:35 pm
    Naked swimming this afternoon, in the billabong. Sublime.

    I’ve heard the salties have moved a loooong way inland this wet, wet season. Are you worried?

  190. Top Ender

    I’ll be sad if this is the great actor/director Clint Eastwood’s swansong. A bad review here in the Oz:

    The 5:17 to a Clint Eastwood disaster

    There are great and important movies to be made about terrorism.

    The Charlie Hebdo massacre of 2015, the Brussels bombings of 2016 and last year’s London Bridge attack will, inevitably, become dramatised, or docu-dramatised, into big-screen fictions that will allow us to examine our fears and interrogate our presumptions from the safety of the cinema seat.

    Clint Eastwood’s new film, The 15:17 to Paris, about the terrorist attack on a Paris-bound train in August 2015, is not one of those. It is, in the light of the 87-year-old’s monumental career, simply the worst thing he has done (and that includes those awful orang-utan films).

    The noble intentions are there from the start. A brief, unsettling tease of the attack — a shirtless Moroccan terrorist emerges from the lavatory carrying an assault rifle and immediately shoots a passenger — segues into the life stories, told in flashback, of the three young American have-a-go heroes who saved the day.

    The structure makes sense. It builds tension. It creates empathy. And it fills in narrative detail; what, for instance, were these twentysomethings doing in Europe?

    Alas, there is a fatal flaw in Eastwood’s scheme. One outrageous gamble that fails spectacularly and turns the movie upside down and inside out. Instead of actors, he cast the real heroes as themselves in their own drama. And it’s a cataclysmic error of judgment that’s obvious from the opening minutes, when hero one, Spencer Stone, introduces his own flashback (“Let me take. You back and show you. How it all. Began!”). The movie never recovers.

    Everything that happens on the way to the fateful day is stymied by the technical inadequacy of the performers (although it’s hardly their fault). Stone and hero two, his best friend Alek Skarlatos, after reliving their days in the military, decide to embark on a grand European tour and invite hero three, Anthony Sadler, along for the ride.

    Sadler, however, is strapped for cash. Spencer skypes him. “Why don’t you get a credit card?” he asks. “That’s crazy,” Sadler replies in monotone, in probably the nadir exchange of the film (there are many to choose from). “I was just talking to my co-worker about getting a credit card.”

    It’s 70s p o r no-movie bad, and not aided by a whoppingly banal script from newcomer Dorothy Blyskal and some dubious direction from the maestro (filming the bums of sexy bar girls in Amsterdam? No, Clint, stop!).

    The attack is recreated with violent aplomb (if Eastwood can’t do violence, then what’s the world coming to?) and the film might have had profound things to say about masculinity and the need for heroes in the modern age. But by then it’s far too late. The damage has been done.

    The Times

  191. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bloody hell Zulu, remind me not to take you on.

    1.5 bottles of medium red here thank you very much.

    No such thing, Top Ender – it’s from a biography of the Duke of Wellington – he was regarded as relatively abstemious, with a pint of iced claret over the dinner table, when the average evenings intake of alcohol, for a gentleman, was as I’ve described. Mind you, if you became boisterous or obnoxious in your cups, you were likely to find yourself staring down the muzzle of a dueling pistol next morning!

  192. urb

    #2632742, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:37 pm
    any more relaxed & i would be horizontal. i see the deserved derision on here to some others however any comparison to me as a junior poster gets my back up immediately; apologies for the snideness.

  193. Entropy

    Hers a question for legal Eagles.
    Let’s say an owner of a bunch of say, let’s call them sheep, was on the verge of going under and had run out of feed, and their neighbour took pity on them and let them graze their sheep on his place for free. Then let’s say the chap with the sheep went and decided for themselves to order a truckload of feed under the neighbour’s name (because no one would deliver to them due failure to pay bills), which got delivered and then the sheep owner didn’t pay for it.

    Who is liable for the bill?

  194. Entropy

    Also Helen, send some of that rain to western Qld please.

  195. Top Ender

    Would be fun Zulu, if we could provoke various people to think we had laid down a challenge.

    I shall consult with your second sir, as to your preferred time and place tomorrow morning.

    As I am the injured party, then smallswords.

    If you have no surgeon mine shall be glad to oblige you.

    As for the rest, so good night to you.

  196. Infidel Tiger

    Alas, there is a fatal flaw in Eastwood’s scheme. One outrageous gamble that fails spectacularly and turns the movie upside down and inside out. Instead of actors, he cast the real heroes as themselves in their own drama. And it’s a cataclysmic error of judgment that’s obvious from the opening minutes, when hero one, Spencer Stone, introduces his own flashback (“Let me take. You back and show you. How it all. Began!”). The movie never recovers.

    I was really looking forward to this film but didn’t want to see it after I heard he cast the real men rather than actors. It just sounded weird. He’s always been a very clunky film maker, but this always sounded like a mistake to me.

    Gran Torino would have been an all time great film if he had cast real actors. Instead we had a great movie with awful acting.

    I will force myself to see it just to spite lefties.

  197. urb

    #2632754, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:58 pm

    and some photos too Helen if you wouldnt mind.
    for a friend of course

  198. Woolfe

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  199. Gab

    Who is liable for the bill?

    If the neighbour can prove it was a fraudulent transaction then the sheep owner would be made liable. Without proof then I believe the neighbour would be made liable. But then, I’m no legal eagle.

    Also, what exactly are you up to, Entropy?

  200. max

    From The Front Bar last night:

    Q: Which Winter Olympics event are you most looking forward to ?

    A: The closing ceremony.

  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I shall consult with your second sir, as to your preferred time and place tomorrow morning.

    As I am the injured party, then smallswords.

    If you ever go to Bath, in the United Kingdom, there’s an arcade of houses, where the aristocracy used to live.

    Close handy, is a grove of trees, where the aristocracy would settle their differences with pistols.

    Pistol shots, at dawn. “Oh bugger it, we’ll have to drop the Fosdyke – Carringtons from the guest list. He never could shoot straight.”

  202. Habib

    The Oz has enough luvvie dickheads, however that review came from The Times. Possibly a more iniquitous den of depraved marxist perverts than the Monash Friends of the ABC collective. Like B1 and B2 while still befouling the ether with their inane braying, such reviews should be regarded as inverse- anything gushed over, avoid like Adam Bandt with 2 Breezers on board. If slagged off, a must see.

    And most troops retain their appearance through good genes and avoiding Sol. Darbs can also cause more wrinkles than an elephants foreskin, and a grip of the grape will give a snout like a potato injected with radioactive dye.

  203. Stimpson J. Cat

    Gran Torino would have been an all time great film if he had cast real actors. Instead we had a great movie with awful acting.

    I loved it that Clint’s son was the white homie that got scared off.
    Genius.

  204. H B Bear

    Having illegal muzzies try and kill you is certainly one of the complexities of life in modern Europe. It lends a medieval frisson to an otherwise mundane existence.

  205. egg_

    Is GimpoRae watching the follow-up SBS Movie, “Under The Skin”?

  206. Dave in Marybrook

    New thread elsewhere chaps

  207. Oh come on

    No piss tonight, trying to work. On the gas tomorrow.

    You do realise gas is street slang for speed (as in amphetamine)?

    Well if so I’m sure you’ll be very productive!

  208. notafan

    The review complaint about sexy bar girls implies a sjw narrative.

    In any case we’ve seen plenty of bad acting from professional actors.

    I’m going to see it, for sure.

  209. Tintarella di Luna

    TdL, I’m informed it was the dumb “creature”.

    Hahahaha

  210. calli

    Winter Olympics opening ceremony spoiled by athletes behaving like it is a closing ceremony.

    Except the oiled Tongan. I approve of him muchly.

    👍🙂

  211. Delta A

    The $Oz really serving it to Bandt today. After a piece referring to his “grovelling apology”, Greg Sheridan has this (lengthy) anecdote:

    How Jim saved the Nobel laureate

    Deputy Greens leader Adam Bandt this week labelled retired major general Jim Molan a “coward, a complete coward”.

    Bandt, who has since apologised, attacked Molan’s record in Iraq, where in 2004 he was chief of operations for coalition forces. He said Molan would “probably be up for prosecution” if there were an independent inquiry into Iraq because of the Fallujah operation.

    East Timorese bishop Carlos Belo and a group of Philippine nuns might have an entirely different take on Molan’s character.

    In 1999 when East Timor voted to leave Indonesia, Belo’s home was burnt down by pro-Indonesia militia who threatened to kill him.

    Molan, Australia’s defence attache in Jakarta, took four staff and flew to Dili to supervise evacuation of Australians and UN staff. While the militia roamed Dili, burning buildings and killing innocents, they drove around collecting Australians and others.

    That September, the night before the militia had killed nine civilians in East Timor’s second city, Bacau, the Australian air force was reluctant to fly in without an Australian military presence. So Molan went in a helicopter with a few UN staff. About six truckloads of militia were at the airport. Molan was talking to the militia commander when the UN staff were ushered out to be picked up by the RAAF.

    Molan was unarmed and had no troops available other than a few security personnel on the transport planes. The situation became very tense as the militia reacted angrily to Indonesian UN staff, whom they considered traitors. Then it was found that among those seeking evacuation was Nobel peace laureate Belo.

    Tension escalated. The nervous militia commander kept taking his pistol out of its holster, then putting it back. Molan persuaded him to let the children go to Dili. After hours of talks, he finally got everyone clear.

    On another night, Molan was driving six nuns to the airport. A gunman chasing them on a motorbike reached for the rifle on his shoulder, perhaps to fire. A sudden roadblock meant Molan had to brake sharply. The gunman hit the vehicle and pitched through the back windscreen. Molan could see he had broken his neck and that a crowd was gathering. He reached across the nuns, pushed the body from the vehicle, and sped to the airport. A few days later, a bureaucrat rang from Canberra suggesting he turn himself in to police.

    That was not the end of Molan’s efforts that night. At the airport, he smashed the vehicle’s back windscreen, so that the hole in it would not look too conspicuous and resumed ferrying vulnerable people to the airport.

    Bandt thinks Molan is a coward. Those Greens must have very high standards of bravery.

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