Swatting Leftists in 6 Easy Steps

Happy New Year everyone! I hope 2018 is off to a flying start for you all.

What’s that I hear you say? It’s been too long since my last post and you’re starting to feel triggered? And you want me make up for it with a multi-part special on debating leftists?

I’m so glad you asked!

Foreword

If you haven’t done so already, do yourself a favour and watch this video that did the rounds the other week.

It shows Doctor Jordan Peterson artfully taking apart leftist interviewer Cathy Newman (who apparently graduated with a ‘first’ in her arts class at Oxford no less) on topics such as the ‘gender pay gap’ and ‘the patriarchy’. It’s a little slow to start, but well worth investing 30 minutes of your time in. Alternatively, you can just read the next 5,000 or so over the next 6 parts and get the general gist of things that way (or do both) – it’s up to you…

(H/T Adam Piggott)

I’m not writing for the purpose of deconstructing why I agree with Doctor Peterson’s arguments. Goodness knows there are hundreds of videos and articles out there already on this (such as this excellent one). Instead, I’m going to highlight some of the useful debating techniques Doctor Peterson has used to deal with this particular leftist – techniques you can try for yourself at home, parties and gatherings, or even at a local university somewhere!

Leftists are lurking everywhere and the potential debating situations you may encounter with them are numerous. In the above video, the debate was organised and both sides knew what was coming. It was also structured at face value as an ‘interview’, so the questioning mainly came from the interviewer (NB: there nothing wrong with this in terms of quantity – of course, the quality of questioning is another story). These situations are pretty rare for most people.

A far more common situation you will face will be at a gathering of friends mixed in with some acquaintances you rarely see or have never met. In this setting, there’s a good chance you will come across a vocal leftist, hell-bent on administering an unwanted dose of political virtue to any innocent victims standing in the wrong place at the wrong time.

For example, someone might mention how hot (or cold – it really doesn’t matter anymore) the day was and the leftist will say something like ‘I can’t believe there are people who still don’t believe in taking action on climate change’.

Other examples include: ‘I can’t believe Trump was voted in’ or ‘I don’t know anyone in favour of Brexit’ (because democracy is still a bit of a Bermuda Triangle for many leftists).

If you’re really lucky, you’ll get someone busting out the well-worn ‘I can’t believe that there aren’t more women in power/powerful positions’ (NB: the word ‘power’ will invariably be used by these bloodthirsty leftists and totalitarians – it’s a great word to use against them down the track).

The poor people standing around will generally be apathetic to the subject matter being foisted on them. That’s because they’re simply there to have a good time and most people (including leftists) have little idea or couldn’t care less about boring things such as:

  • the historical aggregate pay gap between male and female graduate lawyers under the age of 25 in Australia (negligible); or
  • the fact that, in 1985, female graduate lawyers were paid 16.5% more than male graduate lawyers in Australia – and between 1977 and 2012, female graduate engineers were paid (slightly) more than male graduate engineers in Australia (see page 17).

Consequently, on being subjected to an unwanted advance by a leftist, most non-leftists will either wait for the leftist to tire themselves out, move elsewhere or appease the leftist by nodding and agreeing insincerely – in the hope that they will stop. While this represents the path of least resistance, it regrettably leads to people within the leftist’s event horizon becoming brainwashed (including the appeaser). Repeated untruths and lies are very powerful things (see: propaganda).

Of course, if you’ve made it this far, there’s a good chance that you’re different. The question is: what are you going to do about it? (PS: it’s your civic duty to do something about it). Are you going to let the leftist carry on with their propaganda? Or are you going to have a go at entertaining and persuading those around with the truth… and an agitated leftist?

The upcoming techniques will help you achieve the strategic aims of:

  • balancing attack and defense during the debate;
  • successfully persuading listeners; and
  • discharging your civic duty with relish and aplomb.

Regardless of the debating situation you face, the core principles and techniques will remain largely the same. If you find yourself new to debating and wanting to get better, it’s best to start off with one-on-one and family debates, before moving on to debates in front of small crowds and working your way up to larger platforms.

Next up: Part One – Read and Prepare.

 

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96 Responses to Swatting Leftists in 6 Easy Steps

  1. Chris

    Waste of time.
    Just surrender to the Borg. Why kick against the goads?

  2. testpattern

    ‘Repeated untruths and lies are very powerful things (see: propaganda).’

    Your link is rubbish. Good propaganda is 99.9% truth 0.1% misinformation. Having first established credibility with the target audience, then doubt can be introduced. Here is what I wrote in May 2016 before Trump was elected. I referred to Bateson’s WW2 propganda method Schismogenesis. This is what Russia uses to undermine the US polity. The hyper partisan nature of US political elites have been very obliging.

    testpattern
    #2026831, posted on May 11, 2016 at 10:22 pm
    I’m sure bernays’ canon on the techniques of political propaganda are familiar to you, but here they are again anyway.
    ‘The publics democratic judgement was not to be relied upon..feared that the American public could very easily vote for the wrong man or want the wrong thing so that they had to be guided from above.’

    ‘The manipulation of public opinion was a necessary part of democracy.’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

    Dan Gabriel has been employing memetics for the cruz campaign, techniques he used in Iraq and Afghanistan with the cia. I won’t be here for much of the election campaign, but perhaps someone could keep an eye out for evidence that Gabriel is being copied by one or both of the parties here.

    I’m just waiting for the Americans to turn bateson’s schismogenesis against their own people, bound to happen one day

  3. manalive

    Doctor Peterson was far too gentlemanly IMO.

  4. cohenite

    The link to WUWT about the contribution of human CO2 to the atmospheric increase shows EIA Table 3; this infamous Table shows the relative contributions from nature and humans; the increase is less than the human CO2 emissions; so the argument that humans can’t cause all of the increase in CO2 is not supported by Table 3.

    What does support it is this:

    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=14581

  5. marcus

    Waste of time.
    Just surrender to the Borg. Why kick against the goads?

    Carry on nodding politely then Chris – as it is your prerogative to do so. This post series is designed for those who wish to be different.

  6. marcus

    ‘Repeated untruths and lies are very powerful things (see: propaganda).’

    Your link is rubbish. Good propaganda is 99.9% truth 0.1% misinformation.

    In your haste to label my link as rubbish, you have failed to grasp the fact that:

    (a) the link is functional and works; and
    (b) there is plenty of effective propaganda based on lies and untruths.

    Here, have a leftie link:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth

    “Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Among psychologists something like this known as the “illusion of truth” effect.

    Are you a victim of propaganda? If so, help is available.

  7. testpattern

    ‘Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth’

    The power of fake news. Look at the New Testament. 2000 years and still going.

    Dear oh dear. There are no laws of propaganda, there are evolving techniques.

    “illusion of truth” effect.

    Availability heuristic. You are two generations behind. At least.

  8. The question is: what are you going to do about it? (PS: it’s your civic duty to do something about it).

    Perxactly. There is nothing worse than the cowardly pearl-clutching conservative swine who tell you of their lefty twat mates who arc up one evening on the lefty twat topics-du-jour and then they add “Oh! You can’t say anything to them!” or “I don’t want to make a scene!” Well fuck off then you useless pansy douchebags.

    Every time a leftist is allowed to proselytise unchallenged, a devil gets their horns and pitchfork. You should aim to shut them down so rapidly and effectively that they wouldn’t dare open their mouths again in public. The left have gotten away with shit because nobody has told them they are wrong and they should STFU.

    If you’re the kind of person who “doesn’t want to lose friends” then you’re a selfish twat who deserves the gulag that you will eventually end up in. I’d rather lose so-called friends (who if they dump you for your political views aren’t your friends anyway) than let a leftard get away with their lies / fuckwittery / stupidity. Every time they do, it emboldens them and they go onto spread their poison elsewhere. You are killing future generations by letting leftism spread.

    I could regale you with stories of my discussions / arguments, usually starts with me against the world. By the end there is a hardcore lefty crying under a table and the rest of “the world” are toasting freedom and breathing a sigh of relief “Jeez, I thought I was alone in thinking the world is going crazy!” they will say. Or they will tell you secretly they actually think Trump is great or SSM is “troublesome”.

    Point is, unless you’re at a Greens conference, then in a room of 10 people there will be a lefty virtue signalling twat who will do what marcus describes above and the other 9 are all expected to nod in agreement. When one doesn’t then the other 8 will initially side with lefty twat but keep standing up and things will turn your way as truth and reality wins eventually.

    How you do it is probably less important – and something marcus will cover I guess – than the fact that you actually do it and you do it loud and proud. It’s bloody good fun I can tell you, especially when you get really good at it.

    Right now I reckon Peterson is one of the most important people in the world. He hasn’t quite got everything nailed, factually he is brilliant but he can be a bit fuzzy on his political ideologies and history. He’s a major threat to the left, they probably don’t know what to do about him. Since he’s polite, well-spoken etc. if they attack him they look like twats but they can’t afford to let him speak too much or too widely so they need him silenced. It will be interesting to see what they do next month when he comes here.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    Right now I reckon Peterson is one of the most important people in the world.

    No, PewDiePie is one of the most important people in the world.
    And his recent fairly positive YouTube review of Peterson’s book to his 60 million young subscribers could potentially allow Peterson to have the level of influence you talk about.
    This would be a good thing overall in my opinion, even though Peterson annoys me.

  10. Ubique

    I’ve spent much of my working life having to deal with misguided leftists. It’s very rare to find one with even a rudimentary grasp of facts and figures. For example, maybe 1 in a 100 would know how much CO2 is in the atmosphere (most guess between 4 and 20 percent … sigh). While I have no regrets, I can’t say having a reputation as an “economic rationalist” and a climate sceptic did my career in the public service any favours.

  11. marcus

    ‘Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth’

    The power of fake news. Look at the New Testament. 2000 years and still going.

    Dear oh dear. There are no laws of propaganda, there are evolving techniques.

    “illusion of truth” effect.

    Availability heuristic. You are two generations behind. At least.

    I wasn’t purporting to give a fulsome treatise on the laws of propaganda – I was merely showing how repeating lies and untruths is a powerful tool used by propagandists – something which your comment above clearly concedes is relevant to this very day (e.g. fake news). Whether there are further types and methods of propaganda is completely irrelevant to the point at hand.

    Please, put the bong down and wait half an hour until your next toke.

  12. testpattern

    ‘the laws of propaganda’

    I’ve already told you there’s no such thing. Smarten your act up.

  13. Chris

    Waste of time.
    Just surrender to the Borg. Why kick against the goads?

    Carry on nodding politely then Chris – as it is your prerogative to do so. This post series is designed for those who wish to be different.

    Seriously, in-person argument is well worth doing.

    Conflict in front of an audience is not as common as online forams (sic). In the old days it was worth trying to be the adult in the room so the crazies suffered by comparison.

    I got my first letter to the Editor published in 1976. I last bothered to send one about 2007. Peak of career was top letter in the Weekend Australian once.
    Used to debate in public forums eg ca. 2001 old Matilda Forum and 2003 ‘Public Debate’ as they opened up. Argued with people like that twat lab technician Lambert, lacklenj, the clinical psych at Freo, and scored run-outs on notorious dishonest types like Chapman and Alpers.

    Before the Drum forum closed I gave up arguing except as ‘a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition’. Facts are a waste when the entire audience is gimp-suited partisan twats.

    Now I do how to vote cards, join and donate to the parties of my choice – which are not the same as past ones.

  14. testpattern

    Here is a contemporary example of propaganda, in which truth is conflated with misinformation –

    In the The Australian today on the front page they claim Molan served as Defence attache in Jakarta 1992-1999, thus giving the casual reader the impression that position was continuous. It was not. In that time he was in the Jakarta post for just four years not the eight suggested. Little lies that slip through without scrutiny, not big ones.

  15. Chris

    Little lies

    Yes you would be familiar wouldn’t you.

    Most of us would read that and say ‘Eight years? Probably four postings in that time, summarised for simplicity.’

  16. marcus

    ‘the laws of propaganda’

    I’ve already told you there’s no such thing. Smarten your act up.

    That’s the flimsiest straw man I’ve seen in some time. I never claimed that there were laws of propaganda. I simply said I wasn’t purporting to give a fulsome treatise on them (if they even exist – whether they do or not, I couldn’t care less as it’s completely irrelevant here).

    As for what you’re trying to say, goodness only knows. Do you actually have a point to make, or would you like to keep going with this small-minded tangent that’s going nowhere for you? If so, a padded room would probably work best from here.

  17. manalive

    If you’re fortunate enough to have the gift the most effective weapon against leftists is ridicule e.g. Tim Blair.

  18. testpattern

    ‘summarised for simplicity.’

    KRudd Australian PM 2007-2013. Gillard didn’t exist. KRudd would like this. He’s another whose book presents a problem for librarians – the fact or fiction shelves.

  19. overburdened

    I watched the interview some time back. In the interim not much has changed, particularly in the opinions of those who are not open to Platonic dialogue with a view to having their minds changed if it can be demonstrated that their thinking is flawed or not beneficial.
    Mr Peterson gave a sterling account of himself, remaining measured and willing to acknowledge any statement if it had merit.
    This will give a warm glow to rationalists, and does not mean that I advocate for all that he says.
    For SJW’s and their fellow travellers, he has no currency because his statements are counter to the narrative they push.
    It is ingrained in people these days to not have conversation or debate.
    The preferred method is to shout down anyone with wrong ideas before they get started, accusing the person with the wrong idea of saying things they have not said and extrapolating anything that may be said into an attack on them.
    All the while the right thinkers are pillorying and ridiculing the wrong thinker.
    I’ve just had a dose of it from my son. He is highly trained and effective in critical decision making in acute situations.
    He is also blind to his own behaviours when revving me for saying something as conversational that he immediately turned into a battle of civilisations.
    He also didn’t like me saying that I hope he isn’t sleep walking towards oblivion.
    All the evidence suggests that this is what is occurring.

  20. testpattern

    ‘I never claimed that there were laws of propaganda’

    Then you shouldn’t have written things you didn’t mean. Twice. Smarten up your act.

  21. manalive

    Little lies that slip through without scrutiny, not big ones …

    No no, it was Hitler who wrote the propaganda textbook (with a little help from his friends):’… use a lie so colossal that no one would believe that anyone could have the audacity to distort the truth so infamously …’.

  22. cohenite

    ‘the laws of propaganda’

    I’ve already told you there’s no such thing. Smarten your act up.

    Of course there is: Orwell. Gramsci. Alinsky.

  23. DM OF WA

    The Left is not about winning debates: it is about gaining power and holding it forever.

    The Right is a bunch of gentleman losers.

  24. Boambee John

    testpattern
    #2631396, posted on February 8, 2018 at 2:57 pm
    ‘Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth’

    The power of fake news. Look at the New Testament. 2000 years and still going.

    test pattern again displays his religious bigotry.

  25. Boambee John

    testpattern
    #2631442, posted on February 8, 2018 at 3:48 pm
    ‘the laws of propaganda’

    I’ve already told you there’s no such thing. Smarten your act up.

    Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

    Bit like your frequent claim that there is no such thing as Western Civilisation.

  26. DM OF WA

    To expand on what I said:

    People here are impressed by Jordan Peterson body slamming SJWs on Youtube. At the same time he is “winning” on Youtube his research has been defunded and there are serious attempts to get him sacked from his university position. Who is really winning?

    Here in Australia it does not matter how many smashing columns inches are written by the Tim Blairs and Andrew Bolts. It does not matter if some conservative wins a point on Lateline. Liberal George Brandis defeated your attempts to reform section 18C. The creeping horror known as Gillian Triggs ran the HRC for years without any serious opposition despite the most shocking incompetence.

    The Left is winning in the only competion that matters: who controls the institutions of the state.

  27. egg_

    KRudd Australian PM 2007-2013. Gillard didn’t exist. KRudd would like this. He’s another whose book presents a problem for librarians – the fact or fiction shelves.

    History – thus Non-fiction.
    History – victors get to tell the tale – KRudd won in the end as the alternative was even more hopeless.
    Gillard was the propagandist, KRudd delivered the agenda.

  28. People here are impressed by Jordan Peterson body slamming SJWs on Youtube. At the same time he is “winning” on Youtube his research has been defunded and there are serious attempts to get him sacked from his university position. Who is really winning?

    His book is number 1 on Amazon, not just in its category but the entire platform.

    I read somewhere that he is making about 40K a month off his youtube videos.

    Sounds like winning to me. The way that you really beat the left is by crushing them in public whilst simultaneously sidestepping their only method of silencing which is by collective bullying in the professional world.

    That Peterson has also become fabulously wealthy into the bargain is just the cherry on top of the cake.

  29. iain russell

    ‘Defence’ please.

  30. overburdened

    in your corner DM.
    I think there is no turning back.
    Just a bit of rear guard action to keep morale high before the fall.

  31. overburdened

    Book sales, supportive tweets and barracking at zingers is one thing.
    The institutional changes proceed without interruption

  32. overburdened

    As an example of the pointlessness of wrestling with a formless blob, how come the Greenies, Earthians, any assorted environmentalists etc are not rioting in the streets at Elon Musk’s plan to dump his car on Mars- an act of environmental vandalism driven by ego.
    Not a word. Maybe Mars doesn’t count or something

  33. Atoms for Peace

    First time I’ve had the chance to listen to the full interview. Most satisfying. Glad that I purchased his book.

  34. Atoms for Peace

    Was the Tesla fully sterilized? If not, some inadvertant terra forming on the cards.

  35. one old bruce

    A wise woman once gave me this advice: “You can never win an argument with a woman”.

  36. egg_

    Maybe Mars doesn’t count or something

    Correct.
    Greens are Neo-Pagans.

  37. Jordan does have the advantage of having been a practising clinical psychologist (in addition to his teaching role) for the past 25 years. As he noted to another interviewer after the Cathy Newman interview, he has seen quite a lot of contrived performances, and is pretty cool with dealing with them.

    Most of us tend to get intensely provoked by some of the more outrageous bullying techniques of dedicated Leftists. Jordan could see exactly how she was manipulating the exchange and refused to play the game. That, and his mastery of the areas she was raising, put him in a wining position.

    But the coup de grace was his unexpected concession of her role as an interrogator, and then his “gotcha” comment. Superb!

    Rarely does one derive such enjoyment from these normally one-sided “interviews”.

    I am SO looking forward to hearing him in Sydney in March.

  38. I’ve just had a dose of it from my son. He is highly trained and effective in critical decision making in acute situations.
    He is also blind to his own behaviours when revving me for saying something as conversational that he immediately turned into a battle of civilisat
    ions.

    Don’t worry “overburdened” – you are not alone! I also have highly educated & high corporate ranking family members who have swallowed the “progressive” drivel that is even being fed into management seminars.

    The one that really riles me is “unconscious bias”, a concept that is outrageously condescending and presumptuous. I argue that I may have bias – but it goddamn is not unconscious!!

  39. DM – Jordan has had close to 4 million (yes – 4 million) views of that UTUBE clip. His influence & presence on the internet is now astonishing. He is raising enormous amounts of money by way of his website to finance his determination to speak what he believes is “the truth”.

    Incidentally, he has not yet been sacked from Toronto University – they simply don’t dare.

  40. overburdened

    Cheers Vicki and I think your last post sums it up by equating financial gain and the protection of celebrity with success.
    That’s how it works. The issue is there are wealthy people who don’t share his enthusiasm for that line of thinking.
    The plebs such as me may have an opinion. I have expressed my thoughts re opinions in the past.

  41. JohnA

    testpattern #2631396, posted on February 8, 2018, at 2:57 pm

    ‘Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth’

    The power of fake news. Look at the New Testament. 2000 years and still going.

    Care to disprove the Resurrection?

    I’ll wait.

  42. marcus classis

    Looking forward to this, Marcus.

  43. Confused Old Misfit

    “overburdened” – you are not alone! You sure are not!
    I’m fortunate, my idiot fringe Trudeau/Clinton voting family is on another continent. I’m only worried that the Trump tax cut will allow them enough spare cash to come out here for a visit.
    The Canadian branch is screwed. They’ll not be able to afford to leave the Maritimes. despite being on teachers pensions.

  44. overburdened

    I trust that they blame you and people like you for any of their misfortunes. It’s nothing personal.
    They do it to everyone and each other.
    It’s how they’re trained.
    It’s also important that you can’t choose family, hence love prevails.
    Put another cup of water in the soup I always say

  45. The Beer Whisperer

    Perxactly. There is nothing worse than the cowardly pearl-clutching conservative swine who tell you of their lefty twat mates who arc up one evening on the lefty twat topics-du-jour and then they add “Oh! You can’t say anything to them!” or “I don’t want to make a scene!” Well fuck off then you useless pansy douchebags.

    Well said, Mr. Rusty.

    Anyone older than 30 that is scared to say what they think in fromt of friends, already needs new friends.

    My faux friends have set me free by revealing their true natures. Embrace it. You are no longer beholden to any of their feelings or beliefs.

  46. overburdened

    The only thing I take comfort is that my crew does it kindly, because they think I don’t know any better; ie before the New Enlightenment. I love them very much, as well as their friends.
    The ones I know are fine people and I know that they think I am trapped in a paradigm.
    This is in spite of them acknowledging that I am reasonable and open to persuasion.

    If they are correct, then I wouldn’t know what’s what these days anyway, and they couldn’t be arsed explaining it to you because I would disagree with them, proving their point.

  47. duncanm

    Well said, Mr. Rusty.

    +1

  48. overburdened

    I think they are all fucked in the head.
    I hope for their sakes that I’m wrong.

  49. DrBeauGan

    Marcus, find out what ‘fulsome’ means. It isn’t what you think.

  50. marcus

    The level of despair already shown by some here is incredible. If you don’t like something, you should do something about it. Don’t just whinge, roll over, put your legs up in the air – and then try to persuade people like me that there is no use in trying.

    I also do not share the same concerns about the ‘institutions’ being taken over by the left.

    Firstly, they’re not all infiltrated (yet) – the left would love you to believe this, but things aren’t always the way they’re projected when it comes to the left. Hell, even I’ve managed to score a lecturing gig at a major university. Would you like to guess what my students are not going to be taught?

    Secondly, to the extent that the institutions are infiltrated or taken over by the left, they will cease to have value. We are already seeing this to a degree as more people shun the university degrees (especially the useless ones). All these shitholes can keep scrapping for government funding to maintain their nearly obsolete platforms as far as I’m concerned. Society has already realised that substance is far more important than form and started moving elsewhere – just like they did with the MSM.

    You. Cannot. Beat. The. Market.

    Cheer up!

  51. nerblnob

    Jordan Peterson’s not the Messiah, he’s just a naughty boy.

    Check the Guardians comically inept attempt at a hatchet job:
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

    Really, any academic worth their salt would respond as he did on that interview. Time was when they would, regardless of political affiliation. What’s remarkable is that C4 let it go out.

    As far as dealing with leftish attacks from friends and family I just give as good as I get. We’re all still friends, although there have been some uncomfortable silences.

    At my sister’s place, some friend of hers started, “In Western patriarchal society …” I interrupt, “What, you mean as opposed to Eastern patriarchal society? Those guys could teach us westerners a thing or two about patriarchy”

    It’s always fun when the new person shows great interest in all my travels and is thinking I’m pretty cool, and then they realise it’s mostly in pursuit of oil and gas drilling work.

  52. marcus

    Marcus, find out what ‘fulsome’ means. It isn’t what you think.

    In the context I used it, I intended it to mean large in size, generous or abundant. As in:

    ‘I wasn’t purporting to give a large in size, generous or abundant treatise on the laws of propaganda’.

    I did not intend it to mean ‘complete’.

  53. overburdened

    You are seeing what you want to see. I don’t see any glumness here.
    I see people wishing things would stay how they like it. Me too.

  54. Swatting Leftists in 6 Easy Steps

    Sounds more like How To Ensure You Never Get Invited To Parties Again In One Easy Step.

    You lot can’t raise any intelligent debate in written form on the Cat amongst yourselves as it is, not sure you’re going to manage it at a dinner party in polite company using only your memory.

  55. Monty, wtf is a “dinner party”?

    Any why should anyone give a far kwye they “never get invited” again?

  56. Nerblnob

    Most people are the same in that respect m0nty. The debate here is generally more intelligent than most chat forums, especially considering relative lack of moderation.

    People who turn up at social gatherings with their arguments already rehearsed from internet propaganda are bores and turn-offs.

  57. Boambee John

    Nerblnob at 0324

    People who turn up at social gatherings with their arguments already rehearsed from internet propaganda are bores and turn-offs.

    People who turn up at social gatherings with their arguments already rehearsed from internet propaganda are bores and turn-offs.

    Same as those who turn up at blogs bearing someobe else ‘s talking points.

    Oh, hello m0nty!

  58. Boambee John

    Sorry about the formatting problem there.

  59. struth

    Lefties are easily beaten.
    It’s done by taking the funding away.
    Lefties wet themselves in the face of determined resistance.
    But those funding it is where our fight lies.
    Why are you dealing with this lefty at this party anyway?

    Testicles thinks reading the ramblings of the insane fringe dwellers and beliving every word is self education.

  60. DM OF WA
    #2631530, posted on February 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm
    The Left is not about winning debates: it is about gaining power and holding it forever.

    The Right is a bunch of gentleman losers.
    Does this mean the populists are the middle ground?

  61. duncanm

    Monty

    Sounds more like How To Ensure You Never Get Invited To Parties Again In One Easy Step.

    wow – you must have fun parties – all standing around in a circle jerk agreeing with each other.

  62. struth

    When you go to war, you bomb the enemies factories, so they can’t produce their weapons.
    We fund them.

  63. min

    Not even so called educated people know the facts . I ask have you read the research when they say no as usual so I ask whose opinion are you quoting ? Most cannot debate and withdraw.

  64. Roger W

    All the fear campaigns are heating up and then Global Warming strikes again.

  65. struth

    When it comes to global warming debates, I just say that the U.N. obviously doesn’t believe in it, so why should I.

    Don’t be stupid, they believe in it, they will say.
    I say, If they really believed in it, they wouldn’t be allowing any countries to increase their emissions, but they are only concerned with western countries, allowing China and the likes of India to hugely increase theirs, proving they fear nothing.
    Sometimes they truly believe that they are not increasing their emissions.
    I say they should get to Hay Point or Newcastle to see the millions of tonnes of coal being exported that we are not allowed to use, and ask somebody where it’s going.
    The U.N are strangely , only after western nations to de industrialise and open their borders as well.
    Then I ask if they know who the Sec Gen of the U.N. is and what he stands for.
    They never know.

  66. duncanm

    Not even so called educated people know the facts . I ask have you read the research when they say no as usual so I ask whose opinion are you quoting ? Most cannot debate and withdraw.

    so true.

    I have a mate in the media industry, and he reckons he knows the truth because of that.

    I have to keep reminding him we all live in a bubble, and need to actively seek out information outside it.

  67. People who turn up at social gatherings with their arguments already rehearsed from internet propaganda are bores and turn-offs.

    Indeed.

  68. wow – you must have fun parties – all standing around in a circle jerk agreeing with each other.

    Um, duncan… did you hear that parties are about relaxing and having fun, which is about the opposite of a lawyer conducting cross-examinations?

  69. struth

    Um, duncan… did you hear that parties are about relaxing and having fun, which is about the opposite of a lawyer conducting cross-examinations?

    The lefty always opens it’s mouth first at get togethers, now this one says something as stupid as this.
    If only we could relax and have fun at gatherings without fuckwit lefties forcing their political arsehattery on people that didn’t ask for it.
    Hypocrisy………………..not much.

  70. marcus

    People who turn up at social gatherings with their arguments already rehearsed from internet propaganda are bores and turn-offs.

    That they may be, but are you going to let them keep dribbling and influencing others unimpeded?

    I also find that, despite being the most outward non-leftist you can imagine, I get invited to plenty of parties. Perhaps people love being entertained by a good dose of leftie swatting – and the fact that I can do it while being such a great cis male.

    Also, many of the people repeating internet propaganda are not full-blooded leftists, but simply regular people trying to seem virtuous. These people are very easily persuaded back to reality. But hey, by all means, keep looking down at them and basking in your own superior intellect. You wouldn’t want to get dirty interacting with them.

  71. Nerblnob

    I say, If they really believed in it, they wouldn’t be allowing any countries to increase their emissions, but they are only concerned with western countries, allowing China and the likes of India to hugely increase theirs, proving they fear nothing

    True.
    And it’s not like the price of waterfront property is going down.
    I don’t engage with global warming arguments except to say que sera sera and nothing we do will change it.
    I do ask “How will making electricity more expensive help anything, except the diesel genny market?”

  72. Nerblnob

    That they may be, but are you going to let them keep dribbling and influencing others unimpeded?

    Sure, never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.

    But hey, by all means, keep looking down at them and basking in your own superior intellect. You wouldn’t want to get dirty interacting with them.

    You misunderstand me. It’s usually them looking down at me.

    I’m very clear on the things I know about in such conversations. I just don’t try to take on the whole blob of leftish opinion, and I don’t rant. As you say, regular people can be persuaded.

  73. Spring is coming

    Probably not the correct thread but in the absence of an open forum:
    Re the minimum wage push thread last week
    I run automotive dealer business improvement groups. The discussion came up regarding manual v auto car wash. The associated pros and cons of both. More and more moving to auto. I kept thinking of the comment last week: ‘what do we want?’ ‘Robots’ , ‘when do we want them?’ ‘ Now!’

    The left = no idea how business works.

  74. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2632173, posted on February 9, 2018 at 11:24 am
    People who turn up at social gatherings with their arguments already rehearsed from internet propaganda are bores and turn-offs.

    Indeed.

    Much like people who turn up at blogs with their arguments already rehearsed from left fascist propaganda?

  75. duncanm

    Um, duncan… did you hear that parties are about relaxing and having fun, which is about the opposite of a lawyer conducting cross-examinations?

    yes they are – but then some arsehole lefty starts ranting about Abbott666, Trump, glowball warming, Australian racism, white privilege, oppressed minorities, poor Muslims, refugees or some other such shit.

    Why is that?

  76. André M

    Ironic that Marcus’ first piece of advice is to read, yet he doesn’t seem to have read his own CO2 link.
    At least Cohenite spotted it, then promptly engaged in double think by posting a link to to the same misguided argument founded on the same misinterpretation of data.

  77. Much like people who turn up at blogs with their arguments already rehearsed from left fascist propaganda?

    BJ, this entire site is a wingnut rehearsal safe space, conducted by band leader Kates. Don’t come the raw prawn.

  78. yes they are – but then some arsehole lefty starts ranting about Abbott666, Trump, glowball warming, Australian racism, white privilege, oppressed minorities, poor Muslims, refugees or some other such shit.

    Why is that?

    Obviously the solution is to challenge him to a bareknuckle fight in the back yard, seconds out. Otherwise some people might have unresolvable philosophical difference with you, and we can’t have that.

  79. Chris

    Obviously the solution is to challenge him to a bareknuckle fight in the back yard, seconds out.

    Or one could try rational argument. It’s wasted on leftists but the other people there might be edified.

  80. Confused Old Misfit

    So, some people have the idea that a dinner party is a function at which one is expected to enjoy oneself. Their idea of enjoying oneself is to name call and provoke an argument and then to complain if some one argues the reverse of their position.
    Their solution to avoid this unpleasantness is to resort to physical violence.
    I’ve no objection to this course of action.
    Personally, I’d just skip the argumentative phase & go straight to the violence.
    Drinks all round after!

  81. egg_

    misinterpretation of data.

    Warmie hype?

  82. egg_

    but then some arsehole lefty starts ranting about Abbott666, Trump, glowball warming, Australian racism, white privilege, oppressed minorities, poor Muslims, refugees or some other such shit.

    Usually a runt or lard arse, not yer fit specimen.

  83. classical_hero

    The best way to argue against carbon dioxide as a problem is to look at the various planets. Both Mars and Venus have similar amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere yet vastly different temperatures.

    Then they will say it’s due to proximity to the sun. The problem with that is that Venus is hotter than Mercury and that at the surface of Jupiter is hotter than the surface of the sun. The simple difference is atmospheric pressure. Venus has a high pressure, Mars has very little, Mercury has none, Earth has one that is suitable for life, and Jupiter has an extreme pressure close to the surface.

  84. egg_

    I run automotive dealer business improvement groups. The discussion came up regarding manual v auto car wash. The associated pros and cons of both. More and more moving to auto. I kept thinking of the comment last week: ‘what do we want?’ ‘Robots’ , ‘when do we want them?’ ‘ Now!’

    The left = no idea how business works.

    If their Maccas drive thru bot offers 57 varieties of coffee at the the drop of a hat vs waiting in a queue indoors, they’ll be voting with their feet, uber hypocrites (the resultant drive thru queue would likely be full of inner city Greens voters).

  85. egg_

    the surface of Jupiter is hotter than the surface of the sun.

    Not far off being a star in its own right.

  86. The best way to argue against carbon dioxide as a problem is to look at the various planets. Both Mars and Venus have similar amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere yet vastly different temperatures.

    Then they will say it’s due to proximity to the sun. The problem with that is that Venus is hotter than Mercury and that at the surface of Jupiter is hotter than the surface of the sun. The simple difference is atmospheric pressure. Venus has a high pressure, Mars has very little, Mercury has none, Earth has one that is suitable for life, and Jupiter has an extreme pressure close to the surface.

    Have you tried the beetroot dip with those little buckwheat blinis, they’re very good. So, how about that Glenn Maxwell?

  87. classical_hero

    Apologies to you know who, but m0nty, you’re rambling incoherently.

  88. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1415

    BJ, this entire site is a wingnut rehearsal safe space, conducted by band leader Kates. Don’t come the raw prawn.

    Good of you to devote so much time and energy posting the left fascist arguments, to help us refine our counter arguments.

    Keep up the good work.

  89. The institutional changes proceed without interruption

    Not in the USA, they don’t.

    Trump is giving them black eyes, fat lips, scratches and bruises.

    By the time he’s finished, they will look worse than a re-headed stepchild.

  90. overburdened

    Yep with you on that atm.
    Unfortunately I don’t that he has the impetus to keep it rolling after his incumbency.
    Trump IMO is the dead cat bounce.
    I hope I’m wrong.
    This in no way endorses the comments of the resident fuckwits here that one chooses to ignore.
    I hope that if it all turns to shit that the barrackers with have a moment of insight.
    If it all goes swimmingly, then more strength to their arm.

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