Monday Forum: February 12, 2018

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  1. nemkat

    The world is such a fucking depressing place at the moment.

    Cheer up, Winston.
    Vikki Campion is expecting a boy in April, something Paw Campion described on these pages a few days ago, as ”a miracle”.
    And the Dad is rising 51 years.
    How good is that?

  2. C.L.

    The LNP might reflect on the fact that when you constantly shit on your base, the base won’t stick up for you when you need them.

    Indeed.

  3. Shy Ted

    Tonightly with Tom Ballard is to be renamed Thesameaslastnightandeverynightbeforely with Tom Ballard.

  4. egg_

    Recurring Nightmare with Tom Ballard?

  5. nemkat

    Difficult decision for the Nats. Barnaby = National Party.

    Maybe.
    Have you read Judith Sloan’s opinion of Joyce in The Australian?

    Judith says that not only is he a dud for the people who vote National Party, but he’s been a disaster for Australia.
    Today, he’s effectively said that he’s prepared to destroy the Government in a vain bid to keep his job..

  6. egg_

    Sock is trying harder than the ALP.
    Sad.

  7. JC

    Thanks Bruce.

    I bought a dividend centric fund for my ma which I think it around 20% loaded with banks, which is why I asked. Those yields are pretty fucking high. Either the div gets cut or the stock prices are too low. I think there’ regulatory risk though at a time when the US and others are ever so slightly easing up on bank regs. We’ll see.

    ———-

    vr

    Lol, yea I saw that. Talk about a nothingburger. That fucker will fight this to the end. He’s had the SEC and everyone after him and won.

    It’s come to the stage where hiring sheilas is getting to be too much of a risk.

  8. nemkat

    egGbert:
    Aren’t you one of the people whining about how the Coalition are held to higher standards of behaviour by the Media, than is the ALP.

    So, would you prefer that Barnaby Joyce is held to the same standard as, say, Tony Burke?

  9. Rebel with cause

    At least other political philanderers like Bob Hawke, Bill Clinton and JFK delivered for their supporters. What’s Barnaby done that deserves turning a blind eye?

  10. notafan

    The bus ride from Aix de Provence to Avignon is quite scenic. Croix de Provence and all that.

    Incidentally, you get a nice view of the local nuclear power station from that Celtic Ligurian village I visited yesterday.

    From Aix itself all you can see is the steam rising behind the hills.

    Not a renewable in sight, for once.

    The French wouldn’t give a rats about a Barnaby baby.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    Franking credits LL. Takes 7% to 10%

    It depends.
    If the recipient of the dividend has a marginal tax rate of zero that is true.
    If the recipient of the dividend is a super fund with a tax rate of 15%, the 7% dividend yields a final value of 8.5%.
    If the recipient of the dividend has a marginal tax rate of 30%, no net effect … individual tax liability cancels franking credit and 7% is … 7%.
    If marginal tax rate of recipient is 45% the 7% headline dividend yields a net of about 5.5%.

  12. JC

    Seriously, this is where it’s got to in the US workplace now.

    If men have a meeting where sheilas are invited, that’s grounds for lawfare.

    vr’s link

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/12/business/steven-cohen-point72-discrimination-lauren-bonner.html

    A female executive at the investment firm run by Steven A. Cohen, the billionaire investor, said in a lawsuit that the company was a testosterone-fueled “boys’ club” in which men commented on women’s bodies, belittled their abilities and paid them less than their male peers.

    The lawsuit, filed in federal court Monday by a current employee of Mr. Cohen’s Point72 Asset Management, describes a toxic working environment for women. Those with years of experience were often referred to as “girls” or “sweethearts.” Some were excluded from meetings that were deemed for men only, the lawsuit said.

    I don’t like Steve Cohen as I think he’s a fucking arsehole both professionally and personally, but he’s the best day trader the world has seen.

  13. OneWorldGovernment

    LOL.
    Got this from a retired deep state operative mate in Canberra!

    Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment.

    The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, “We didn’t have this ‘green thing’ back in my earlier days.”

    The young clerk responded, “That’s our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations.”

    The older lady said our generation didn’t have the “green thing” in its day.

    Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.

    We walked up stairs because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

    But she was right. We didn’t have the “green thing” in our day.

    Back then we washed the baby’s nappies because we didn’t have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

    But that young lady is right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house — not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Queensland. In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

    We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

    Back then, people took the tram or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family’s $45,000 4WD or van, which cost what a whole house did before the”green thing.” We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest hamburger joint.

    But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the “green thing” back then?

    Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smartass young person.

    We don’t like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take much to piss us off… Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced dumb ass who can’t make change without the cash register telling them how much.

  14. nemkat

    Who says Barnaby hasn’t delivered for his supporters?
    He’s got the White Elephant Inland Rail up, and he’s fucked up water allocation in the Murray Darling, making it more likely that only mega wealthy Chinese interests will be able to afford to farm there.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If Barnaby hangs in for a few more months the Women’s Weekly will have a big spread on the new love and the new baby all in happy domesticity with Barns. The tide against him will turn.

  16. JC

    Here’s an assertion that I think holds true. Since females joined the workplace in large numbers, their contribution, if measured as a cost /benefit that obviously would include trade offs, it’s been a negative. That’s right, a negative contribution.

  17. twostix

    Karl Stefanovic has weighed in on the Barnaby Joyce affair scandal, saying the embattled Deputy Prime Minister should move to the backbench.

    Is this a goddamned fucken joke? That little faggot “weighs in” on national politics now?

    Someone rid me of this troublesome bugman class!

  18. cohenite

    Steve trickler.

    #2636332, posted on February 13, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    Dedicated to all politicians, rooting around behind the scenes.

    Too good for pollies; Benny Hill’s theme will do for them.

    A great piece, made my night. Makes me wonder which is the best movie theme of all. It must be close.

  19. H B Bear

    Bronwyn Bishop is on fire on PML.
    Love your work Bronny – but just like Tony Abbott, it’s too late.

    The entitled old bat should just buy half a dozen cats and disappear from public life for eternity. Another true Lieboral.

  20. nemkat

    The French wouldn’t give a rats about a Barnaby baby.
    The French aren’t nice people, notafan.
    Australians would be generally happy about Barnaby’s baby.
    They’re less than impressed about Barnaby pushing all the costs of his babymaking escapades onto them, and expecting them to wear it up the clacker.

  21. C.L.

    Here’s an assertion that I think holds true. Since females joined the workplace in large numbers, their contribution, if measured as a cost /benefit that obviously would include trade offs, it’s been a negative. That’s right, a negative contribution.

    Of course. And it’s not even close.

  22. twostix

    Barnaby represents the last fraction of old last century rural conservatism in Australia – even though we know he’s personally a faker.

    This is the reason why the urban Liberals are happy to see him eaten – they have been at war with the Nationals for years now. They want the Nationals gone or transformed into a “regional” version of the liberals.

  23. twostix

    Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    I think it’s her who has made the larger error here. I mean, he looks like a mangy duck.

  24. a reader

    SO a dude who calls himself a sheila is going to play in the AWFL. That shit will kill off women’s sport

  25. nemkat

    Is anybody still ”live” in Malotto? He’s outlasted most predictions.

    BarnaBlotto though, can’t see him lasting to Thursday QT.

  26. Top Ender

    The family of war veteran brutally murdered in his home on the eve of his 90th birthday has lauded a move by the Court of Appeal to add eight years to the sentence of one of his killers.
    In April last year, 29-year-old Jonathon Cooper was sentenced to 16 years behind bars with a non-parole period of 13 years for the murder of Ken Handford during a bungled burglary at his Springbank home near Ballarat.
    In September 2015, Mr Handford was tied up by the cord of his dressing gown, stabbed 13 times in the back then left to slowly die in his isolated home on Barkstead Road, after Cooper and another man Adam Lucas Williamson broke in.
    With time already served Cooper could have been released in 11 years.
    He was re-sentenced this week to 24 years imprisonment with a non-parole period of 20 years for the charges of murder, aggravated burglary, and theft.

    Good result, but even better would have been a midnight appointment with the hangman.

  27. twostix

    Lizzie is correct above.

    I don’t think the people care all that much about any of it other than a bit of fun.

    And if it continues much longer they’ll start to think the inquisitors are seedy and prying and obviously politically motivated.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    I’ll bet good money there will be more then one copy of that newspaper on the Opposition benches in the House tomorrow.

  29. slackster

    The Obama Portrait…

    Everyone is missing the sperm on his temple:

    https://imgur.com/a/CNGSB

    Apparently this is the “artist” well known signature

  30. twostix

    If Barnaby does leave he needs to name every single mistress, bum boy and leg over woman in Canberra.

  31. C.L.

    I’ve now switched to supporting Joyce.
    The Daily Telegraph’s infantile front page was the clincher.

  32. Geriatric Mayfly

    Lions eat suspected big cat poacher
    12 February 2018

    And they used to call him Whiskas in the village. Sad.

  33. twostix

    If Trump has taught us anything it’s that Barnaby needs to go and get the Shorten rape accuser and turn up at a press conference at the Press Club in Canberra with her.

  34. nemkat

    Barnaby comes across as the sort of bloke who has never had much adversity in his life, and now it’s in his face, he thinks he can pull the blankets over his head, and it will go away.

  35. cohenite

    Baldrick

    #2636364, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    FMD. That woman could whistle I’ve been working on the railway and still have enough masticatory juices left to chew old BJ up and spit him out. Talk about mismatches.

  36. cohenite

    If Trump has taught us anything it’s that Barnaby needs to go and get the Shorten rape accuser and turn up at a press conference at the Press Club in Canberra with her.

    And the prison sentence for plibber’s hubbie.

  37. I can’t believe she wore that outfit to a farm summit.

  38. H B Bear

    If Barnaby does leave he needs to name every single mistress, bum boy and leg over woman in Canberra.

    Baaarnaby will just lose a couple of hundred thousand in salary and go to the backbench on what, $200k or something and have more time to spend with the family 2.0. All the time accruing non-contributory superannuation. I won’t even bother looking for my very small violin for him. As one of the socks said, he’ll probably pick up a job as a door opener for Gina under Australia’s legalised corruption regime.

  39. nemkat

    I don’t think the people care all that much about any of it other than a bit of fun.

    So absolutely no parents in Australia would be in the least concerned, if their daughter landed a job, and one of the unwritten requirements of said job was that female employees make themselves available for No Strings Attached sex with their boss?

  40. Infidel Tiger

    The Telegraph are going berserk over Barnabus.

    Vikki must have some enemies there.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good result, but even better would have been a midnight appointment with the hangman.

    Midnight? What an uncivilized hour to hang a man. Western Australian prison system used to carry out hangings at eight A.M. on Mondays…

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And the prison sentence for plibber’s hubbie.

    Nine years up the creek, IIRC. You wouldn’t get that for a couple of bags, surely?

  43. miltonf

    What’s Barnaby done that deserves turning a blind eye?

    At the very least I would have expected him to withdraw support for Trumble if the Paris shakedown (aka the attack on the Australian economy) was signed.

  44. OneWorldGovernment

    twostix
    #2636366, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    Barnaby represents the last fraction of old last century rural conservatism in Australia – even though we know he’s personally a faker.

    This is the reason why the urban Liberals are happy to see him eaten – they have been at war with the Nationals for years now. They want the Nationals gone or transformed into a “regional” version of the liberals.

    I disagree twostix

    Barnaby does not represent the last fraction of old last century rural conservatism in Australia.

    He is a chancer like the rest of the LNP and not forgetting the rest of the Parliamentary scum.

    The old traditional Country Party made a conscious decision to become a rural based Liberal Party under the guise of a name change and appointing scumbags, just as the former Liberal Party has become the old Labor Party, without U.

  45. twostix

    So absolutely no parents in Australia would be in the least concerned, if their daughter landed a job, and one of the unwritten requirements of said job was that female employees make themselves available for No Strings Attached sex with their boss?

    She has a baby in her belly you dope, literally the opposite of No Strings Attached.

  46. Barnaby comes across as the sort of bloke who has never had much adversity in his life, and now it’s in his face, he thinks he can pull the blankets over his head, and it will go away.

    Former pub doorman.
    Don’t judge him by the standards of the Greens, not when it comes to physical courage.

  47. nemkat

    Former pub doorman.

    It doesn’t take much courage to bash drunks, Serena.

  48. It doesn’t take much courage to bash drunks, Serena.

    Why do you comment when you are so clueless about the topic?

    Serious question, just how stupid are you?

  49. twostix

    Barnaby knows he’s being hanged as part of a higher political operation.

    What would you do?

  50. nemkat

    Okay, twostix.
    So you’re saying that no parent in Australia would in any way be concerned if their daughter fell pregnant to her married with a family, 50 year old boss?

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It doesn’t take much courage to bash drunks, Serena.

    The best pub doormen I’ve ever seen, in action, didn’t have to lay a finger on anyone.

  52. nemkat

    Barnaby knows he’s being hanged as part of a higher political operation.

    What would you do?
    It’s not a matter of what i’d do.
    It’s a matter of him refusing to face reality.

  53. egg_

    I’ve now switched to supporting Joyce.
    The Daily Telegraph’s infantile front page was the clincher.

    Ditto Joe Public if Labor keeps up with the crap.
    The resident ALP sock is in dreamland.

  54. Motelier

    Just leaving the love lives of our political elite for a bit.

    Chanell 7 had a piece on this dude.

    Betcha can’t guess what makes him so special, and I do mean special

  55. twostix

    If my daughter was age 32 and doing that I’d be sad that I’d raised a bit of a predatory tart I suppose.

  56. egg_

    I can’t believe she wore that outfit to a farm summit.

    “Come and get it!”

  57. The best pub doormen I’ve ever seen, in action, didn’t have to lay a finger on anyone.

    There can be quite some physical risk in being a doorman. One thing that does not happen is gratituous bashing of the passive clientele.

    Stupid nemkat has been bashing the trouser gecko a little too often.

    Sometimes I wonder how people can be so dumb, yet able to type. Even my dog isn’t that stupid.

  58. pete m

    trump 2018 budget here.

    wish list but wall funding $18 bil is included

  59. cohenite

    Nine years up the creek, IIRC. You wouldn’t get that for a couple of bags, surely?

    Served 3; trafficable amount. Today they would have thrown away the key.

  60. Rebel with cause

    Last she’s not wearing a shiny pair of RMs to the farm summit like all the other political fakers.

  61. egg_

    The Telegraph are going berserk over Barnabus.

    Vikki must have some enemies there.

    Envy?

  62. nemkat

    Why do you comment when you are so clueless about the topic?

    Serious question, just how stupid are you?

    That’s not a serious question, and you’re not a serious person..
    Here’s some facts: 1. Drunks are helpless, and sometimes irrational and unpredictable.
    2. You make your living selling alcohol to drunks.
    That’s all i need to know about you.

  63. twostix

    Is that presidential painting of Obama literally the presidential painting of him?

    I can’t tell if it’s serious or if people on the right are just making a joke out of a shitty painting by an amateur.

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Served 3; trafficable amount. Today they would have thrown away the key.

    Thanks for sorting that one, cohenite. Someone was unkind enough to point out that a teacher, in the education department would have been sacked for such an offense.

  65. nemkat

    There can be quite some physical risk in being a doorman. One thing that does not happen is gratituous bashing of the passive clientele.

    Oh no?
    Why is it, then, that doormen are regularly before the Courts to answer Charges relating to the death of some poor old drunk in a pub?

  66. egg_

    Stupid nemkat has been bashing the trouser gecko a little too often.

    The poor thing must be senseless.

  67. Motelier

    2. You make your living selling alcohol to drunks.

    lol. nemkat you have know idea how liquor licences work.

  68. Motelier

    Why is it, then, that doormen are regularly before the Courts to answer Charges relating to the death of some poor old drunk in a pub.

    Gee some evidence of this would be good nemkat.

    Go fetch.

  69. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Baldrick at 10:27 pm:

    “Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    I love it when a looker self identifies as worth appreciating, especially when she is fabulously well qualified.

  70. jupes

    Barnaby should do the right thing and fall on his penis.

    LOL

    Welcome back Ms Doolittle.

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I don’t have a link, but the Oz has Junie Morosi giving her opinion on the Barnaby Joyce circus…

  72. I’ve now switched to supporting Joyce.
    The Daily Telegraph’s infantile front page was the clincher.

    The Cat’s resident self-styled Catholic moralist supporting a fornicator and adulterer, now there’s a shock. No wait, that’s what CL always does. “Thou shall commit rootrattery whene’er it pleases his Lordship” is one of the Ten Commandments, apparently.

  73. Stimpson J. Cat

    I love it when a looker self identifies as worth appreciating, especially when she is fabulously well qualified.

    F$ck me that is a brutal photo.

  74. twostix

    m0nty thinks it’s 2004 still.

  75. twostix

    “fornicator”

    holy shit thanks a lot Esme M0ntson.

  76. notafan

    Oh Monty

    So judgemental

    I suppose you think they should both be stoned for adultery

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I love it when a looker self identifies as worth appreciating, especially when she is fabulously well qualified.

    I’d describe her as rather a smashing piece of gear, indeed – I hope Barnaby regards it all as being worth it, when he’s on the backbench, or back in Tamworth doing G.S.T. returns, in the flat over the pub.

  78. C.L.

    The Cat’s resident self-styled Catholic moralist supporting a fornicator and adulterer, now there’s a shock.

    Mmyes, because Jesus was well known for throwing rocks at fornicators and adulterers.
    You’re not very good at this are you, Monty?

  79. Ooh this should be good, please tell us 26 when it was that Catholicism reversed the Seventh and Tenth Commandments. Not to mention the Eighth, considering Barnaby’s misuse of taxpayer money. And probably the Ninth during the cover up. Hey, come to think of it he probably broke the Third in the throes of passion, plus if he fornicated on the Sabbath then it’s a full house!

  80. Pedro the Ignorant

    I just had a look at the Obamas’ allegedly “official” Presidential portraits.

    Good Lord.

    Surely this is a pisstake.

  81. C.L.

    I can’t see anything in the Australian press about the six-fingered portrait of Obama.
    They SO much want to say it’s he greatest painting in the history of art.
    But that sixth finger, yikes.
    Next time the Obamas should commission artists on the basis of talent rather than race.

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ooh this should be good, please tell us 26 when it was that Catholicism reversed the Seventh and Tenth Commandments. Not to mention the Eighth, considering Barnaby’s misuse of taxpayer money. And probably the Ninth during the cover up. Hey, come to think of it he probably broke the Third in the throes of passion, plus if he fornicated on the Sabbath then it’s a full house!

    Praise God Barebones Monty, the Puritan of Catallxy Files, enlightens us with his wisdom!

  83. twostix

    hahahaah Esme Montson is now here quoting the ten commandments.

    This is the best time to be alive in history.

  84. Oh Monty

    So judgemental

    I suppose you think they should both be stoned for adultery

    No nota, I’m just having a bit of fun with the wowsers on this site who always seem to forgive old white men for behaviour they condemn in other kinds of people.

    It’s the corruption that is the problem. Nepotism and kickbacks in Canberra in an age when the LNP is directing Centrelink to mistreat people on the dole is not a good look.

  85. Entropy

    Why is it, then, that doormen are regularly before the Courts to answer Charges relating to the death of some poor old drunk in a pub?

    He was stupid enough to get caught?

  86. Armadillo

    Why do you comment when you are so clueless about the topic?

    Plenty of that about. I reckon the biggest thing playing on Barneys mind right at the moment would be his parents. I’d expect Jim has blocked his phone calls and that he won’t be getting an invite to Christmas dinner again. Ever.

    There is something very special about family, trust and respect. He’s broken that, and it can’t ever be fixed.

  87. twostix

    M0nty is like twenty years younger than the old boomer Clinton Code Pink generation he sucks up to.

    So sad.

  88. squawkbox

    CL, it’s not a sixth finger. Ex-Pres Obama simply has two right hands, one of them with a slightly deformed thumb.

  89. Motelier

    nemkat:

    Why is it, then, that doormen are regularly before the Courts to answer Charges relating to the death of some poor old drunk in a pub?

    Quick, find the evidence for this or just shut up.

  90. notafan

    That isn’t what has happened Monty

  91. C.L.

    Somebody has also pointed out that the chair Obama is sitting on has no left arm.
    A one-armed chair and a six-fingered hand … what does it all mean?

  92. Infidel Tiger

    He could have at least worn a tie. 6 fingered freak.

  93. notafan

    It means that the artist hasn’t got very good technique.

    I don’t mind the composition but the face is nqr and the chair and hands are aweful

  94. squawkbox

    Somebody has also pointed out that the chair Obama is sitting on has no left arm.
    A one-armed chair and a six-fingered hand … what does it all mean?

    Calling Dan Brown, this is the plot of your next novel

  95. C.L.

    Hang on – what’s up with Obama’s left foot?

  96. twostix

    What the hell is a wowser?

    Geezuz m0nty you were already an 80 year old pony tailed boomer when you were 4 weren’t you?

  97. That isn’t what has happened Monty

    nota, you’re saying Barnaby’s baby momma didn’t get a six-figure job, as reported? Courageous of you.

  98. Armadillo

    A one-armed chair and a six-fingered hand … what does it all mean?

    He spends most of his time sitting on his arse, leans to the left, and can’t count to ten.

  99. notafan

    I wasn’t saying anything about Vikki Campion’s change of employment.

    I was saying that it isn’t surprising in light of the ludicrous pile on by much blacker pots that the public is becoming more sympathetic to Barnaby.

  100. egg_

    Armadillo
    #2636439, posted on February 13, 2018 at 11:47 pm

    A quick Google search shows he had form as a root rat prior to this News breaking, whether he hid it from his parents or not. I have to agree with the sock about a sense of entitlement, whether he acquired it from the UNE or home.
    But Labor would equal or better his behaviour and Joe Public has low regard for pollies anyway – it’s more an event in Canberra than elsewhere – Mike Bowers snapped a shot of Barn seated next to Dreyfus recently – hardly mortal enemies, as the resident sock would have us believe.

  101. OneWorldGovernment

    Motelier
    #2636403, posted on February 13, 2018 at 11:11 pm

    Just leaving the love lives of our political elite for a bit.

    Chanell 7 had a piece on this dude.

    Betcha can’t guess what makes him so special, and I do mean special

    Motelier

    He is our very own Australian Aboriginal figure skater.

    Who’s sorry now?

  102. Infidel Tiger

    nota, you’re saying Barnaby’s baby momma didn’t get a six-figure job, as reported? Courageous of you.

    She already had a 6 figured job when he rooted her.

    You and the neo-puritans want her to lose her job because she rooted Barnabus.

  103. I was saying that it isn’t surprising in light of the ludicrous pile on by much blacker pots that the public is becoming more sympathetic to Barnaby.

    “The public”. Yeah, dunno if CL is a valid representative of mainstream opinion.

    I suspect ordinary people would hate Barnaby more than their average hate of pollies right now because of the corruption. People hate unfairness, particularly when the people who make decisions about the fairness or otherwise of economic policies that affect regular people treat public finances as their own money.

  104. notafan

    Six figure job

    Lol

    Also a gross exaggeration of what happened

    I suppose you think she should have been turned out into the snow.

    Imagine the montymental outrage if Campion had been sacked because slept with the boss.

    It was appropriate to move her, the huffing over the alleged size of her pay check is absurd

  105. OneWorldGovernment

    nemkat

    Have you found that list of court cases of security folk fronting courts after belting ‘drunks’?

  106. You and the neo-puritans want her to lose her job because she rooted Barnabus.

    She only got the new job because of the rooting. She lost the old job because of the rooting.

    How about she get a job that has nothing to do with rooting?

  107. egg_

    it isn’t surprising in light of the ludicrous pile on by much blacker pots that the public is becoming more sympathetic to Barnaby.

    The resident sock says gorn by Thursday – we’ll see.

  108. egg_

    How about she get a job that has nothing to do with rooting?

    That excludes the ALP, then.

  109. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2636456, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:05 am

    I was saying that it isn’t surprising in light of the ludicrous pile on by much blacker pots that the public is becoming more sympathetic to Barnaby.

    “The public”. Yeah, dunno if CL is a valid representative of mainstream opinion.

    I suspect ordinary people would hate Barnaby more than their average hate of pollies right now because of the corruption. People hate unfairness, particularly when the people who make decisions about the fairness or otherwise of economic policies that affect regular people treat public finances as their own money.
    So you are fairly down on ex PM Gillard slipping the Sth Aus Uni whatever millions and ending up with a gig?

    You are down on ex PM Gillard slipping the Clinton Crime Foundation whatever millions and getting a gig?

  110. OneWorldGovernment

    Monty

    So you are fairly down on ex PM Gillard slipping the Sth Aus Uni whatever millions and ending up with a gig?

    You are down on ex PM Gillard slipping the Clinton Crime Foundation whatever millions and getting a gig?

  111. twostix

    M0nty spent all of last year, literally 12 months and thousands of posts, swearing up and down with 100% certainty that Trump would be impeached and arrested by….last year.

    Now there’s a man who has his finger on the pulse!

  112. I suppose you think she should have been turned out into the snow.

    She was given a media adviser job to a person that already had a media adviser. It was an obvious pollie perk, an abuse of the system for personal gain. I have sympathy for her plight, but Barnaby doesn’t get to hide behind her skirt. Bronnie went for less. At least she wasn’t rooting the helicopter pilot.

  113. OneWorldGovernment

    Motelier

    And our very own Australian Aboriginal figure skater’s Mum cooks him crocodile steaks.

    Who’s sorry now?

  114. Zatara

    Feds Collect Record Taxes in First Month Under Trump Tax Cut; Run Surplus in January

    The federal government this January ran a surplus while collecting record total tax revenues for that month of the year, according to the Monthly Treasury Statement released today.

    January was the first month under the new tax law that President Donald Trump signed in December.

    Imagine that. A tax cut leads to a surplus in tax revenues. Whoda thunk?

  115. How did Gillard become the subject of this argument?

  116. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2636466, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:13 am

    I suppose you think she should have been turned out into the snow.

    She was given a media adviser job to a person that already had a media adviser. It was an obvious pollie perk, an abuse of the system for personal gain. I have sympathy for her plight, but Barnaby doesn’t get to hide behind her skirt. Bronnie went for less. At least she wasn’t rooting the helicopter pilot.

    Honest question m0nty,

    Have you ever lived and worked in Canberra?

  117. No, OWG. I visited once while at uni, and left on the same day within an hour to go to Sydney. The rest of the bus group I was with participated in the famous break-in of the gift shop.

  118. Ubique

    Bob Hawke was able to philanderise to his heart’s content with no fear of media disapproval. Here is the budgie-smuggler clad Bob with Glenda Bowden at the ALP shindig at Terrigal in 1975.

  119. zyconoclast

    The Tom Cruise movie American Made: The story of Barry Seal, an American pilot who became a drug-runner for the CIA in the 1980s in a clandestine operation that would be exposed as the Iran-Contra Affair.
    Was entertaining, if a bit long.
    His wife, the actress Sarah Wright was very pretty.

  120. 26, your straw man is even more threadbare than usual. I said no such thing, stop lying.

    I see Trump’s budget includes funding for Mueller’s work into FY18/19. This thing is going all the way to the midterms and beyond.

  121. OneWorldGovernment

    dover_beach

    You may or may not have seen this but I thought that I would appreciate your comment.

    The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269223/politically-incorrect-guide-catholicism-mark-tapson

  122. Armadillo

    I have to agree with the sock about a sense of entitlement, whether he acquired it from the UNE or home.

    I can rule out it was from home, Eggy. “Gentleman Jim” is a staunch Catholic, and one of the most honest and trustworthy blokes you would care to meet. I can actually see where Barney got his moral judgement from. His problem was it was all bluster. He could only mimic the talk, not walk the walk. People believed him because they knew Jim, and expected that Barney was a “chip off the old block”. His biggest punishment will be from Jim, not the press. He won’t come back from that. Ever.

    Someone commented here about Barny coming from one of the richest farming families in the New England. LOL. I doubt a few thousand acres around Danglemah qualifies. They were doing OK for themselves, but would be lucky to be in the top 30%, if that.

  123. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bob Hawke was able to philanderise to his heart’s content with no fear of media disapproval. Here is the budgie-smuggler clad Bob with Glenda Bowden at the ALP shindig at Terrigal in 1975.

    Always said that Bob Hawke had all the class of a farting contest.

  124. twostix

    lol m0nty makes the biggest walk back since…the last one.

    He thought he could just hide from the blog for a few weeks and everyone would forget his absolute relentless unhinged lunacy of the last 12 months about Trump.

  125. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2636471, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:22 am

    No, OWG. I visited once while at uni, and left on the same day within an hour to go to Sydney. The rest of the bus group I was with participated in the famous break-in of the gift shop.

    LOL

    So you were mixed up with the marxists from the very start of your Uni days. Take from the rich gify shop and give to the poor Uni students.

    It was a genuine question because until you have lived and worked in Canberra it is hard for folk to understand the depth of entitlement.

  126. BrettW

    Sharri Markson, who broke the Barnaby story, on The Drum. She indicated The Telegraph looking into all the days, 50, that Barnaby spent in Canberra when Parliament not sitting.

    Every day he has claimed some sort of allowance is going to be gone through in great detail. Just my opinion but the fact Government been turning down FOI requests suggests there is something to hide.

    Dont like idea of giving Labour a “win” but doubt Barnaby can stay on a Deputy PM.

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo
    #2636476, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:26 am

    I have to agree with the sock about a sense of entitlement, whether he acquired it from the UNE or home.

    I can rule out it was from home, Eggy. “Gentleman Jim” is a staunch Catholic, and one of the most honest and trustworthy blokes you would care to meet. I can actually see where Barney got his moral judgement from.

    Very sad for the family Armadillo.

  128. C.L.

    According to Miranda Devine, speaking on Bolt/Price – and she’s not a fan of Joyce right now – Miss Campion got a technical pay rise when she went to Canavan’s office and a pay cut when she was moved a second time. She is out of pocket.

  129. zyconoclast

    This is the reason why the urban Liberals are happy to see him eaten – they have been at war with the Nationals for years now. They want the Nationals gone or transformed into a “regional” version of the liberals.

    They already are.
    Nats give women a fair go

    NATIONALS delegates made history in the final hour of their two-day annual conference today voting overwhelmingly in favour of equal female representation on their Central Council.

    The vote to change the party’s constitution was significant and exceeds other political party’s efforts at gender equality.

    Many Nationals said change was needed to increase the number of female political representatives in parliament. The party has produced 10 state and federal MPs in its history.

    A similar motion was put to the 2014 Nationals conference but was defeated. In today’s vote a show of hands recorded 121 in favour with 36 against.

    It was far and away the most heated debate of the two-day conference with 22 people taking to the microphone to voice their opinion.

    Nationals President Larry Anthony said the result would play a critical role in ensuring the party moved forward in step with the people it represented..

    “For any party to survive and thrive it has got to reflect society,” he said.

    Senate candidate Fiona Leviny, Grafton, spoke passionately about the need for women to be supported in party politics, revealing a childhood in which her father offered little respect for her two sisters and her mother simply because they were women.

    Party heavyweights however gave their support for the move.

    “This is not a controversial motion,” said NSW Roads and Freight Minister Duncan Gay.“We are behind our time. We as a party should lead the community.”

    Ms Gardiner noted that the Ben Franklin, Troy Grant, John Barilaro, Niall Blair and Duncan Gay were right behind the push.

    Nationals deputy leader Fiona Nash, who is the first female elected to the position and also the first woman in federal cabinet as regional communications Minister said the changes were a logical step for the Nationals.

    “This isn’t a party of free marketers. We’re happy to intervene where necessary and this is the time to intervene.

    She noted that the party had already supported extra delegates for large regions like Western NSW as well as for the Young Nationals.

    Former NSW Primary Industries Minister Katrina Hodgkinson urged delegates to support the “once in a lifetime opportunity” for women.

    “There are just too few women who progress through this party,” she said.

  130. Armadillo

    Very sad for the family Armadillo.

    Indeed.

    A departed Uncle of mine had the shearing contract for their property for 25 years plus. Plenty of funny stories. Jim and his wife will be absolutely devastated. The University must have got its claws into him.

    Mont’s is a living breathing example of a good kid being brainwashed. His parents are probably similarly ashamed.

  131. C.L.

    More on the worst presidential portrait in US history …
    Just wow:
    Artist Who Painted Obama’s Official Portrait Known For Painting Blacks Beheading Whites.
    In addition to being a lousy painter, Kehinde Wiley is a total lunatic.
    The arc from Jeremiah Wright to this is perfect, though.

  132. Armadillo

    Come to think of it, at least Barney was probably better attired in the shearing shed than MOnts was on the Golf Course.

    JC, any chance you could post that photo again?

  133. stackja

    C.L.
    #2636378, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:41 pm
    I’ve now switched to supporting Joyce.
    The Daily Telegraph’s infantile front page was the clincher.

    Good!

  134. OneWorldGovernment

    zyconoclast
    #2636483, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:43 am

    This is the reason why the urban Liberals are happy to see him eaten – they have been at war with the Nationals for years now. They want the Nationals gone or transformed into a “regional” version of the liberals.

    They already are.

    “The Nationals” are to the “liberals” as the “Greens” are to “Labor without U”.

  135. So it’s official then, the National Party is every day adopting yet another policy of the ALP?

  136. “The Nationals” are to the “liberals” as the “Greens” are to “Labor without U”.

    Factcheck status: True

  137. Sorry, I’ve been busy for a while, getting people blind drunk so I can short change them, has stupid nemkat popped back in with evidence of pub doormen regularly being before courts for bashing innocent alcoholics?

  138. stackja

    Pressure on Barnaby Joyce as senior government figures abandon support over affair scandal
    SHARRI MARKSON, The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only
    SENIOR government figures have abandoned Barnaby Joyce, saying the scandal engulfing the Coalition cannot be allowed to go on and that the Nationals leader’s position is “untenable”.

    National MPs have been engaged in discussions with the Deputy Prime Minister about his future, leaving open the option of overthrowing their party leader for the first time since 1989.

    ALP keeping quiet. Letting others do the dirty?

  139. Barnaby is outed as an Alleycat.
    But I’m struggling with why he has to go, when he’s about the 1,001 st Alleycat in parliament.
    What makes his transgression so much worse than all the other spouse-dumping amoral alleycats in parliament?

  140. OneWorldGovernment

    One of the most common disaster scenarios that have been pushed by climate alarmists is a reduction in crop yields and/or outright crop failure in the future. Now, it seems that won’t be something they’ll have to worry about. Of course, we haven’t been worried about it so far, because crop yields have been increasing worldwide in spite of warming. But, to get there, some genetic tweaking will have to be done, and the irrational greenies would rather starve than eat GMO crops. Perhaps that’s natural selection at work.

    Cancel the famine alarm! Temperature resilient crops now an ‘achievable dream’

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/12/cancel-the-famine-alarm-temperature-resilient-crops-now-an-achievable-dream/

  141. stackja

    Serena at the Pub
    #2636495, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:16 am
    Barnaby is outed as an Alleycat.
    But I’m struggling with why he has to go, when he’s about the 1,001 st Alleycat in parliament.
    What makes his transgression so much worse than all the other spouse-dumping amoral alleycats in parliament?

    ALP sees Barnaby as a threat. ALP needs diversion from BS leadership woes.

  142. Snoopy

    No nota, I’m just having a bit of fun with the wowsers on this site who always seem to forgive old white men for behaviour they condemn in other kinds of people.

    Barnaby has been sawing heads off and driving vehicles into crowds?

  143. OneWorldGovernment

    Serena at the Pub
    #2636493, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:10 am

    Sorry, I’ve been busy for a while, getting people blind drunk so I can short change them, has stupid nemkat popped back in with evidence of pub doormen regularly being before courts for bashing innocent alcoholics?

    Nah.

    Rae and nemkat are too busy bashing ‘splatter pattern’.

    The ‘three’ of them are too clever for a mere mortal like me.

  144. Not sure what the dress rules are for media advisers but the photo at top of Daily Telegraph page shows Barnaby in a suit and her in mini skirt and singlet. She looks like she is dressed for the beach not as a staffer for Deputy PM.

  145. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636500, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:23 am

    at the Times working in the Amazon warehouse

    notafan

    Unilever have now announced that they will stop all their online advertising unless Google, Facebook and Twitter ban “fake news” and basically make the platforms acceptable to them (Unilever).

  146. OneWorldGovernment

    BrettW
    #2636501, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:25 am

    Not sure what the dress rules are for media advisers but the photo at top of Daily Telegraph page shows Barnaby in a suit and her in mini skirt and singlet. She looks like she is dressed for the beach not as a staffer for Deputy PM.

    It looks like a photo shopped picture to me.

  147. notafan

    Owg

    Unilever had been taken over, obviously.

  148. OneWorldGovernment

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2636502, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:32 am

    notafan
    #2636500, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:23 am

    at the Times working in the Amazon warehouse

    notafan

    Unilever have now announced that they will stop all their online advertising unless Google, Facebook and Twitter ban “fake news” and basically make the platforms acceptable to them (Unilever).

    And notafan

    If Unilever have that much pull then Google, Facebook and Twitter are worth zero as an investment.

  149. Stimpson J. Cat

    Unilever

    Uncle George has been grooming his disciple Paul Polman for a long time.

  150. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636504, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:34 am

    Owg

    Unilever had been taken over, obviously.

    No, not obvious.

    They are supposed to be the largest advertisers on the internet.

    If that is true and they can dictate to the facebooks and googles then they control the internet.

    After all, China has them, Merkle has them, I’m damn sure Putin has them.

    They, Google and Facebook prostitute themselves to anyone.

    And I resent that someone somewhere allowed the google scum to create a holding company called Alphabet. How twisted are these folk?

  151. Stimpson J. Cat

    The rest of the bus group I was with participated in the famous break-in of the gift shop.

    Stimpys Handy Hints For Budding Super Criminals:

    Don’t confess to crimes.

    Just disgusting Monty.

    I bet you have kicked over a few evil Capitalist bins as well.

  152. OneWorldGovernment

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2636507, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:42 am

    Unilever

    Uncle George has been grooming his disciple Paul Polman for a long time.

    Stimpson J. Cat

    Please.

    Don’t tell Anne about ‘the Polman’.

    I love her posts.

  153. EvilElvis

    A one-armed chair and a six-fingered hand … what does it all mean?

    Well, I feel the overgrown weeds here are the giveaway. The artist is trying to portray 2 things.

    1. The plight of unregulated amateur gardeners who wield whipper snippers. Thousands a year lose fingers and toes in battle against chlorophyll laced atrocities with bloody results. As a hat tip to these folk Obummer has given up the weed whacking and has had his Stihl amputated pinky toe tastefully reattached as a finger.
    2. Everyone knows he’s that big of a wanker he can do with another finger on the dominant hand.

  154. Armadillo

    And I resent that someone somewhere allowed the google scum to create a holding company called Alphabet. How twisted are these folk?

    The left got away “ABC”. They are simply escalating.

  155. OneWorldGovernment

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2636510, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:47 am

    The rest of the bus group I was with participated in the famous break-in of the gift shop.

    Stimpys Handy Hints For Budding Super Criminals:

    Don’t confess to crimes.

    Just disgusting Monty.

    I bet you have kicked over a few evil Capitalist bins as well.

    Next thing you’ll be blaming m0nty for burning down your mail box!

  156. Stimpson J. Cat

    I love her posts.

    Oh I read all the same sites as Annie.
    I just don’t post any of it.
    I feel like people won’t take me seriously in Catallaxy if they think I am mentally ill.

  157. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well, I feel the overgrown weeds here are the giveaway.

    It is related to Elizabeth Farrell’s leaf blower jihad somehow.
    I know it.

  158. Armadillo

    Next thing you’ll be blaming m0nty for burning down your mail box!

    Quite a feat considering Stimpys mailbox is probably being monitored by ASIO/FBI/FSB 24/7.

  159. Snoopy

    And I resent that someone somewhere allowed the google scum to create a holding company called Alphabet.

    Hey, what happened to alphabet soup? Was it deemed racist?

  160. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo
    #2636518, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:56 am

    Next thing you’ll be blaming m0nty for burning down your mail box!

    Quite a feat considering Stimpys mailbox is probably being monitored by ASIO/FBI/FSB 24/7.

    Jesus and The Buddha watch over Stimpy – 365/24/7

  161. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo

    If you are still about.

    Are you still doing ‘the books’?

    I enjoyed your snippets about that.

  162. OneWorldGovernment

    On this Ash Wednesday I have to post this in full.

    In Defense of Evangelicals Who Support Trump
    Should we be more interested in doing good than feeling good?

    It is usually easier for an outsider to defend a person or a group that is attacked than for the person or group.

    In that vein, this Jew would like to defend evangelicals and other Christians who support President Donald Trump. They are regularly attacked as religious hypocrites who give Christianity in general, and evangelical Christianity in particular, a bad name.

    The people writing such things are often Christians, including evangelicals.

    Ross Douthat, New York Times columnist, wrote: “Whether the subject is the debauched pagan in the White House, the mall-haunted candidacy of Roy Moore or the larger question of how to engage with secular culture, there is talk of an intergenerational crisis within evangelical churches, a widening disillusionment with a Trump-endorsing old guard, a feeling that a crackup must loom ahead.”

    Jared Wilson wrote on The Gospel Coalition website: “From the same believers who raised us to believe that standing for the truth was more important than anything, that being persecuted for your integrity was better than compromise, that morality was not relative, that ethics are not situational. And now these same teachers are wanting us to believe that a little “R” by a man’s name covers a multitude of sins.”

    Robert P. Jones wrote in USA Today: “White evangelicals . . . are, in many ways, a community grieving its losses. … Thinking about the white evangelical/Trump alliance as an end-of-life bargain is illuminating. It helps explain, for example, how white evangelical leaders could ignore so many problematic aspects of Trump’s character.”

    Shortly before the election, Marvin Olasky and the editors wrote in World magazine: “Glorifying God by honoring His standards is worth more than political gain.”

    Jay Caruso, a Dallas Morning News editorial board member, wrote a column titled “Evangelical Leaders Expose Their Hypocrisy By Playing Palace Guard to Trump.”

    In The Arizona Republic, Jon Gabriel, an evangelical, wrote a column titled “Evangelicals Are Hypocrites to Support Donald Trump.” In it he wrote, “As an evangelical myself, one of the strangest developments of the Trump era has been the abandonment of moral character as a political essential.”

    I could give dozens more examples of attacks on evangelical Christians who support President Trump.

    I believe these attacks are not biblical, moral or wise. Religious Christians and Jews who support Trump understand that the character of a public leader is quite often less important than his policies. This is so obvious that only the naive think otherwise. Character is no predictor of political leadership on behalf of moral causes. I wish it were. Then, in any political contest, we would simply have to determine who the better person is and vote accordingly.

    Therefore, I would like to pose some questions to critics of evangelicals who support Trump:

    1. Former President Jimmy Carter has been married once (virtually all critics of Trump note that he is thrice married, as if that were ipso facto a character defect), and to the best of anyone’s knowledge, he has been faithful to his wife all those years. If you are conservative, religious or secular, would you vote for Jimmy Carter over Donald Trump?

    2. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton has a finer character than Donald Trump? For the record, I believe his character is superior to hers. And the choice in the 2016 was between Trump and Clinton. A Republican who voted for anyone else or didn’t vote voted for Clinton.

    3. Who should pro-choice voters support: a pro-life activist of fine character or a pro-choice activist of dubious character?

    4. Who should pro-Israel voters support: an anti-Israel activist of fine character or a pro-Israel activist of dubious character?

    5. If they were to have cancer, would any of the evangelicals’ critics choose an oncologist based on character? If not, why not?

    One of the few moral heroes of the Holocaust was the German industrialist and member of the Nazi Party Oskar Schindler. He personally saved more than a thousand Jews’ lives. He was also a serial philanderer. I suspect many leading Nazis never cheated on their wives. Character is a complex issue.

    I have spent my life making the case for good character: that God wants us to be good more than anything else; that our children’s character is way more important than their grades; and that the most important question a society can ask is how to make good people (since we are not born good).

    Evangelicals realize that the moral good of defeating the left is of surpassing importance. It can feel good to oppose the president, but religious supporters of the president are more interested in doing good than feeling good. On issue after issue — religious liberty, the unborn, Israel, the American flag and free speech, to cite just a few — the president and religious Americans have made common cause.

    Like evangelicals, I look to the Bible for moral instruction. I also look for wisdom. And in that book, God chooses, of all people, a prostitute (Rahab) to enable the Israelites to enter the Promised Land.

    There’s a lesson there.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269270/defense-evangelicals-who-support-trump-dennis-prager

  163. OneWorldGovernment

    On this Ash Wednesday I have to post this in full.

    In Defense of Evangelicals Who Support Trump
    Should we be more interested in doing good than feeling good?

    It is usually easier for an outsider to defend a person or a group that is attacked than for the person or group.

    In that vein, this J_e_w would like to defend evangelicals and other Christians who support President Donald Trump. They are regularly attacked as religious hypocrites who give Christianity in general, and evangelical Christianity in particular, a bad name.

    The people writing such things are often Christians, including evangelicals.

    Ross Douthat, New York Times columnist, wrote: “Whether the subject is the debauched pagan in the White House, the mall-haunted candidacy of Roy Moore or the larger question of how to engage with secular culture, there is talk of an intergenerational crisis within evangelical churches, a widening disillusionment with a Trump-endorsing old guard, a feeling that a crackup must loom ahead.”

    Jared Wilson wrote on The Gospel Coalition website: “From the same believers who raised us to believe that standing for the truth was more important than anything, that being persecuted for your integrity was better than compromise, that morality was not relative, that ethics are not situational. And now these same teachers are wanting us to believe that a little “R” by a man’s name covers a multitude of sins.”

    Robert P. Jones wrote in USA Today: “White evangelicals . . . are, in many ways, a community grieving its losses. … Thinking about the white evangelical/Trump alliance as an end-of-life bargain is illuminating. It helps explain, for example, how white evangelical leaders could ignore so many problematic aspects of Trump’s character.”

    Shortly before the election, Marvin Olasky and the editors wrote in World magazine: “Glorifying God by honoring His standards is worth more than political gain.”

    Jay Caruso, a Dallas Morning News editorial board member, wrote a column titled “Evangelical Leaders Expose Their Hypocrisy By Playing Palace Guard to Trump.”

    In The Arizona Republic, Jon Gabriel, an evangelical, wrote a column titled “Evangelicals Are Hypocrites to Support Donald Trump.” In it he wrote, “As an evangelical myself, one of the strangest developments of the Trump era has been the abandonment of moral character as a political essential.”

    I could give dozens more examples of attacks on evangelical Christians who support President Trump.

    I believe these attacks are not biblical, moral or wise. Religious Christians and Jews who support Trump understand that the character of a public leader is quite often less important than his policies. This is so obvious that only the naive think otherwise. Character is no predictor of political leadership on behalf of moral causes. I wish it were. Then, in any political contest, we would simply have to determine who the better person is and vote accordingly.

    Therefore, I would like to pose some questions to critics of evangelicals who support Trump:

    1. Former President Jimmy Carter has been married once (virtually all critics of Trump note that he is thrice married, as if that were ipso facto a character defect), and to the best of anyone’s knowledge, he has been faithful to his wife all those years. If you are conservative, religious or secular, would you vote for Jimmy Carter over Donald Trump?

    2. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton has a finer character than Donald Trump? For the record, I believe his character is superior to hers. And the choice in the 2016 was between Trump and Clinton. A Republican who voted for anyone else or didn’t vote voted for Clinton.

    3. Who should pro-choice voters support: a pro-life activist of fine character or a pro-choice activist of dubious character?

    4. Who should pro-Israel voters support: an anti-Israel activist of fine character or a pro-Israel activist of dubious character?

    5. If they were to have cancer, would any of the evangelicals’ critics choose an oncologist based on character? If not, why not?

    One of the few moral heroes of the Holocaust was the German industrialist and member of the Nazi Party Oskar Schindler. He personally saved more than a thousand Jews’ lives. He was also a serial philanderer. I suspect many leading Nazis never cheated on their wives. Character is a complex issue.

    I have spent my life making the case for good character: that God wants us to be good more than anything else; that our children’s character is way more important than their grades; and that the most important question a society can ask is how to make good people (since we are not born good).

    Evangelicals realize that the moral good of defeating the left is of surpassing importance. It can feel good to oppose the president, but religious supporters of the president are more interested in doing good than feeling good. On issue after issue — religious liberty, the unborn, Israel, the American flag and free speech, to cite just a few — the president and religious Americans have made common cause.

    Like evangelicals, I look to the Bible for moral instruction. I also look for wisdom. And in that book, God chooses, of all people, a prostitute (Rahab) to enable the Israelites to enter the Promised Land.

    There’s a lesson there.

  164. OneWorldGovernment

    On this Ash Wednesday I have to post this in full.

    In Defense of Evangelicals Who Support Trump
    Should we be more interested in doing good than feeling good?

    It is usually easier for an outsider to defend a person or a group that is attacked than for the person or group.

    In that vein, this Jw would like to defend evangelicals and other Christians who support President Donald Trump. They are regularly attacked as religious hypocrites who give Christianity in general, and evangelical Christianity in particular, a bad name.

    The people writing such things are often Christians, including evangelicals.

    Ross Douthat, New York Times columnist, wrote: “Whether the subject is the debauched pagan in the White House, the mall-haunted candidacy of Roy Moore or the larger question of how to engage with secular culture, there is talk of an intergenerational crisis within evangelical churches, a widening disillusionment with a Trump-endorsing old guard, a feeling that a crackup must loom ahead.”

    Jared Wilson wrote on The Gospel Coalition website: “From the same believers who raised us to believe that standing for the truth was more important than anything, that being persecuted for your integrity was better than compromise, that morality was not relative, that ethics are not situational. And now these same teachers are wanting us to believe that a little “R” by a man’s name covers a multitude of sins.”

    Robert P. Jones wrote in USA Today: “White evangelicals . . . are, in many ways, a community grieving its losses. … Thinking about the white evangelical/Trump alliance as an end-of-life bargain is illuminating. It helps explain, for example, how white evangelical leaders could ignore so many problematic aspects of Trump’s character.”

    Shortly before the election, Marvin Olasky and the editors wrote in World magazine: “Glorifying God by honoring His standards is worth more than political gain.”

    Jay Caruso, a Dallas Morning News editorial board member, wrote a column titled “Evangelical Leaders Expose Their Hypocrisy By Playing Palace Guard to Trump.”

    In The Arizona Republic, Jon Gabriel, an evangelical, wrote a column titled “Evangelicals Are Hypocrites to Support Donald Trump.” In it he wrote, “As an evangelical myself, one of the strangest developments of the Trump era has been the abandonment of moral character as a political essential.”

    I could give dozens more examples of attacks on evangelical Christians who support President Trump.

    I believe these attacks are not biblical, moral or wise.

    Religious Christians and Jws who support Trump understand that the character of a public leader is quite often less important than his policies. This is so obvious that only the naive think otherwise. Character is no predictor of political leadership on behalf of moral causes. I wish it were. Then, in any political contest, we would simply have to determine who the better person is and vote accordingly.

    Therefore, I would like to pose some questions to critics of evangelicals who support Trump:

    1. Former President Jimmy Carter has been married once (virtually all critics of Trump note that he is thrice married, as if that were ipso facto a character defect), and to the best of anyone’s knowledge, he has been faithful to his wife all those years. If you are conservative, religious or secular, would you vote for Jimmy Carter over Donald Trump?

    2. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton has a finer character than Donald Trump? For the record, I believe his character is superior to hers. And the choice in the 2016 was between Trump and Clinton. A Republican who voted for anyone else or didn’t vote voted for Clinton.

    3. Who should pro-choice voters support: a pro-life activist of fine character or a pro-choice activist of dubious character?

    4. Who should pro-Israel voters support: an anti-Israel activist of fine character or a pro-Israel activist of dubious character?

    5. If they were to have cancer, would any of the evangelicals’ critics choose an oncologist based on character? If not, why not?

    One of the few moral heroes of the Holocaust was the German industrialist and member of the Nazi Party Oskar Schindler. He personally saved more than a thousand Jws’ lives. He was also a serial philanderer. I suspect many leading Nazis never cheated on their wives. Character is a complex issue.

    I have spent my life making the case for good character: that God wants us to be good more than anything else; that our children’s character is way more important than their grades; and that the most important question a society can ask is how to make good people (since we are not born good).

    Evangelicals realize that the moral good of defeating the left is of surpassing importance. It can feel good to oppose the president, but religious supporters of the president are more interested in doing good than feeling good. On issue after issue — religious liberty, the unborn, Israel, the American flag and free speech, to cite just a few — the president and religious Americans have made common cause.

    Like evangelicals, I look to the Bible for moral instruction. I also look for wisdom. And in that book, God chooses, of all people, a prostitute (Rahab) to enable the Israelites to enter the Promised Land.

    There’s a lesson there.

  165. Knuckle Dragger

    Nemkat at 11.16;

    You, me old sausage, have no idea what you’re on about. One of my previous occupations was a doorman at a particularly bloodthirsty pub in Townsville frequented by very fit diggers with pockets full of bush pay.

    You can talk someone down, or out of a pub, with your mouth rather than your fists 9 times out of 10.

    It is in no publican’s interest to serve obviously pissed out of their eyeballs people any more. The penalties are too great and the risk of civil litigation is crippling.

    You can not stop two people having a knock down, drag out blue in a pub by saying nice words to them. That’s generally reserved for kindergarten kids.

    Any doorman I know gratuitously going after patrons he/she didn’t like the look of would not only not work in that pub again, but the entire industry. A lot of them now wear shirts in a fetching shade of pastel, as it’s less threatening than the black pants, white short and bow tie I used to wear.

    I can think of only one incident in the entire country where a bouncer has chased a punter into the street, and round the corner before sorting him out. That was David Hookes and the bouncer concerned was shopped immediately by his colleagues and management. As others have said, show me where these occurrences you speak of are real, and/or commonplace.

    You are right, of course, to say that bashing people who are that drunk they can’t defend themselves is not on. That’s why anyone that does it is treated like shit by their colleagues from then on – regardless of their occupation at the time. It’s patently obvious you’ve never worked in the industry so you just don’t know.

    I think the term is ‘beclowning yourself’. Suits you in this regard. Kinda like Zig, Zag, Bozo and Krusty all rolled into one.

  166. OneWorldGovernment

    I want to give a shout out to Daniel Greenfield and Front Page Mag

    Yasmin Seweid, a Muslim college student, claimed that Trump supporters had tried to tear off her hijab on the New York City subway and shouted, “Look it’s a f______ terrorist” and “Go back to your country”.

    “The president-elect just promotes this stuff and is very anti-Muslim, very Islamophobic, and he’s just condoning it,” she complained.

    It was all a lie.

    Yasmin was charged with filing a false police report on December 2016. On September 2017, she pleaded guilty to falsely reporting an incident and disorderly conduct.

    An Islamophobia hoax doesn’t get any more discredited than the Seweid case. But Islamophobia hoaxes never die. They’re rolled into hate crime statistics and reports even when they are completely false.

    “Reported anti-Muslim hate incidents, rhetoric rose in year after election, report finds,” NBC News claims. Like The Nation, Think Progress and a variety of other sites, it’s touting a report by South Asian Americans Leading Together or SAALT.

    The SAALT report, “Communities on Fire,” fits into an annual media tradition. Every year, fake statistics are used to inflate the Islamophobia threat. And the media reports every year that Islamophobia is getting worse. The statistical gimmicks of Islamophobia inflation vary from the clever to the terrible.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center hit a new low when it claimed that the “number of anti-Muslim hate groups increased almost three-fold in 2016” by counting 45 chapters of Act for America as separate organizations after counting them as one in 2015. Another report documented a 66% increase when 6 cases increased to 10. But the SAALT report’s listing of discredited hoaxes is even more outrageous.

    Even though the report was issued now, its list of incidents includes the Seweid case. “Three drunk white men repeatedly screamed ‘Donald Trump!’ and hurled anti-Islam slurs at a Muslim Baruch College student, Yasmin Seweid, before trying to rip her hijab off on an East Side subway.”

    And that’s far from the only hoax on the SAALT list.

    In Lafayette, LA, its report claims, “Two men knocked a young Muslim student wearing hijab to the ground with something metal and verbally assaulted her with obscenities before making off with her wallet and hijab.”

    The Muslim student claimed that she had been attacked by Trump supporters. She was charged with filing a false police report. “She made up the entire story about being attacked, about her hijab being taken. There was no truth to any of it,” the Lafayette Police Department spokesman said.

    In Ann Arbor, MI, the SAALT report claims, “A man approached a Muslim student and threatened to set her on fire with a lighter unless she removed her hijab.”

    That story was also a hoax.

    “Following a thorough investigation, detectives have determined the incident in question did not occur,” the Ann Arbor Police Department stated.

    These weren’t just hoaxes. They were hoaxes from over a year ago. And SAALT still included them.

    “An anti-Muslim message was spray painted on a residence hall on the Beloit College campus,” the report claims.

    The student confessed to having vandalized his own door with anti-Muslim graffiti. He was arrested and charged with criminal damage.

    “Two men confronted a San Diego State University student wearing hijab in a parking structure, made comments about President-elect Donald Trump and the Muslim community, and then took her purse and backpack. The men also took the student’s car keys and ran off,” the SAALT report claims.

    The car turned out not to be stolen. No evidence of the attack was found and the student refused to cooperate with police.

    Incidents like these, which were reported after Trump’s victory, play a crucial role in SAALT’s efforts to connect the supposed rise in Islamophobic attacks to him. The SAALT report mentions Trump nearly 200 times. It claims that, “One in five perpetrators of hate violence incidents referenced President Trump, a Trump policy, or a Trump campaign slogan.” But quite a few of those Trump “incidents” were hoaxes.

    The SAALT report lists violence that happened to Muslims without any evidence that it was motivated by their religion. It lists the drive by shooting of Mohamed Abdulkadir in Ohio, and the robbery and fatal beating of Ali Khan even though they appear to be ordinary crimes.

    In Milwaukee, “A perpetrator beat a woman leaving morning prayers and pulled off her hijab,” the SAALT report claims. “She then pushed her to the ground, repeatedly stomped on her head, and took out a knife and slashed her clothing.”

    The police report however quoted the victim as saying that she didn’t think it was a hate crime, that the man had not tried to take her hijab, but that the assault had to do with her lesbian daughter.

    The SAALT report lists arson at the Islamic Center of Ypsilanti. But the police ruled that out as a hate crime. A Detroit mosque whose vandalism was also listed by SAALT was trashed by an African-American thief when he couldn’t find anything to steal.

    The SAALT report lists the shooting of a 16-year-old Muslim in Ohio. The Muslim teenager claimed that his attacker had shouted racial slurs at him, but the attacker, Denzal Johnson, is African-American and his girlfriend appeared to be Muslim. Denzal’s religion is unknown.

    The SAALT report claims that “Black Muslim girl, Nabra Hassanen” was killed after she and her group had “been at a late-night event at the All Dulles Area Muslim Society and were headed back to the mosque after a trip to a fast-food restaurant.” Nabra Hassanen wasn’t black and she was killed by an illegal alien gang member from El Salvador who got into a fight with her friends. There’s never been any evidence that her killer was motivated by her religion. And he was not charged with a hate crime.

    Sometimes SAALT’s spin is deliberately dishonest. For example, it claims that, “a Somali Muslim woman, Rahma Warsame, who intervened to protect another Muslim woman from harassment by a white male perpetrator was beaten unconscious, resulting in facial fractures and the loss of several teeth. The attacker screamed, ‘You all will be shipped back to Africa’ prior to beating her.”

    Rahma Warsame had actually gotten into a fight with Samantha Morales, a Latino woman. Morales claimed that a Somali woman had hit a little boy with a shoe. According to the police, another member of the Warsame family, had tased Morales. The only white male in the story is Morales’ boyfriend. The police couldn’t decide what really happened.

    The SAALT report tries to attribute violent attacks on Muslims to “white supremacists”, but many of its more violent incidents are actually the work of African-American and Latino attackers. The Victoria mosque fire was set by a mentally unstable Latino man. The Islamic Center of Eastside fire was set by a schizophrenic African-American homeless man who may have previously tried to pray in the mosque and had smashed a window at NikeTown. Not exactly your typical Trump supporter.

    A number of the acts in the SAALT report were actually committed by mentally unstable homeless people with a violent history. But SAALT has its own curious definition of white supremacist.

    According to the report, Act for America 9/11 commemoration illustrated a growth in white supremacist Islamophobia. But Act for America was founded by Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese Arab immigrant.

    The SAALT report not only includes hoaxes, but it attacks civil rights groups and defends hate groups.

    The SAALT report lists the Freedom Center’s campaign against hate groups. “Palestinian rights activists at California universities were targeted with posters calling them terrorists.” The posters called out SJP and other hate groups that have expressed support for terrorists.

    Many of the activists who were called out in these Freedom Center campaigns weren’t even Muslims.

    The first name on the poster that SAALT is complaining about is that of Daniel Alvarez. The second name is Mohammed Hammad who was investigated by terrorism officials and the FBI for posting violent threats. These included, “I think about killing a lot/and some of you are usually the targets of my daydreams.” Instead of condemning Hammad’s threats, SAALT instead attacks the Freedom Center.

    The SAALT report leaves out key pieces of information that might provide alternative explanations.

    It mentions that Vibert White, was “forced to resign” from the University of Central Florida and sued the college. It neglects to mention that he had been arrested three times on domestic violence charges involving two ex-wives. It mentions the vandalism at the Ahram Halal Market in Maine, but not that a few weeks earlier its owners had been charged with fraud.

    The multiple hoaxes that never happened and other incidents that were not hate crimes ought to be enough to raise serious questions about the credibility of the SAALT report. Unfortunately the media unthinkingly passes along Islamophobia inflation reports without ever fact checking them.

    The SAALT report and the media stories about it exist to push the narrative is that President Trump is causing anti-Muslim violence. And the narrative is too good to bother checking the facts.

    And that not only destroys the media’s own credibility, but hurts the people it claims to be trying to protect. When hoaxes, ordinary crimes and attacks by mentally ill homeless people are all treated the same way, then even real attacks will be drowned out by the torrent of fake incidents.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/269277/fact-checking-new-islamophobia-inflation-hoax-daniel-greenfield

  167. OneWorldGovernment

    I can think of only one incident in the entire country where a bouncer has chased a punter into the street, and round the corner before sorting him out. That was David Hookes and the bouncer concerned was shopped immediately by his colleagues and management.

    Thanks KD

    That was the only one I can ever remember that went against the grain.

    Mind you, lol, I’m sitting in one of the bars in Crown Casino one time, on my own, just got into Melbourne and wanted a quiet beer to settle and some dickhead rushes past me and dumb shit security rushes past and knocks the beer out of my hand, accidental, just as I’m about to have a drink.

    I called the boss bloke back over and said, get my beer back, which he did.

    It may have been the perp they were chasing that did it but I just wanted to settle.

    It upset me.

  168. notafan

    Owg

    The short version
    Trump666

    So predictable

    Hilary lost

    Get over it

  169. notafan

    Wasting your pixels on a troll KD

  170. notafan

    That lesbian daughter one was no doubt another Muslim, probably from the same mosque

  171. Well pwned KD.

    Btw, last calendar week, total bar trade (not just public bar) at my place was 8.4% of gross dollar revenue.
    This is not consistent with stupid nemkat’s claim that I “make my living” from getting people drunk.

    I barely care if they drink. I do care very much if they get drunk enough to make trouble, even if it is only for themselves.

  172. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636530, posted on February 14, 2018 at 3:28 am

    Owg

    The short version
    Trump666

    So predictable

    Hilary lost

    Get over it

    notafan

    Forgive me but I’m not sure that I understand your comments as above.

    Where are you now?

  173. OneWorldGovernment

    Serena at the Pub
    #2636533, posted on February 14, 2018 at 3:36 am

    Well pwned KD.

    Btw, last calendar week, total bar trade (not just public bar) at my place was 8.4% of gross dollar revenue.
    This is not consistent with stupid nemkat’s claim that I “make my living” from getting people drunk.

    I barely care if they drink. I do care very much if they get drunk enough to make trouble, even if it is only for themselves.

    LOL

    Then you are obviously some capitalist!

  174. Then you are obviously some capitalist!

    Total capitalist, naturally.
    Waddaya mean by that?
    I’m a protectionist – of course – one cannot be in any aspect of the liquor industry without being one, at the same time in many other ways I’m an unleashed free marketeer. It’s a weird industry in many ways.

  175. OneWorldGovernment

    Serena

    I used to be the numbers man for a combined 18 hole golf club, yay number of bowling greens and yay number of lawn tennis courts.

    It was a shit job because I had to stand in front of old members and tell them what I perceived their options were. Good sticks.

    But I got them out of their wankery. Upset the locals but.

  176. OneWorldGovernment

    Serena at the Pub
    #2636536, posted on February 14, 2018 at 3:53 am

    Then you are obviously some capitalist!

    Total capitalist, naturally.
    Waddaya mean by that?
    I’m a protectionist – of course – one cannot be in any aspect of the liquor industry without being one, at the same time in many other ways I’m an unleashed free marketeer. It’s a weird industry in many ways.

    Serena

    I’m not having a go at you but I loath protectionism.

    Doctors get a ticket, join the AMA, and who knows how many the dud arseholes kill?

    I should be entitled to hang my shingle out to say I’m a doctor and guess what? I bet I wouldn’t kill as many as those protected pricks do.

    Don’t start me on legal types which our parliaments seem to be infested with.

    And ADF. Fuck off.

  177. JC

    Serena at the Pub
    #2636536, posted on February 14, 2018 at 3:53 am

    Then you are obviously some capitalist!

    Total capitalist, naturally.
    Waddaya mean by that?
    I’m a protectionist – of course – one cannot be in any aspect of the liquor industry without being one, at the same time in many other ways I’m an unleashed free marketeer. It’s a weird industry in many ways.

    Good old pubbler always making horse sense in his Crocodile Dundee sort of way. Pubbles is a free trade protectionist.

  178. OneWorldGovernment

    Sorry Serena

    You are a Crony Capitalist.

    Anyone that relies upon a license in any way shape or form from a “government” is a crony capitalist.

    If you get your figures done by an accountant that can submit your income taxation return then you have to understand that the person only has that license to do that because they declare that they are an agent of “the government”.

  179. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2636539, posted on February 14, 2018 at 4:08 am

    JC

    Kindly back off for a change and let someone else speak to folk without your comments that help no-one.

  180. OneWorldGovernment

    Does anyone think that f*king BHP would have ever got off the ground if the shithead Labor without U was in charge at the time?

    Does anyone think that the coal mines of the Hunter Valley would have started with Alan Jones and du Communist Greens were in charge?

    Does anyone think that anything could have happened in Australia with the fucking useless set of politicians we have throughout Australia?

    Australian Aboriginals were far better off 100 years ago than they are today!

    When my wife came to me and said we should buy some solar panels and I heard about the deal I said that is theft.

    Any Cats that have solar panels on their roof and get some “deal” are stealing from the community.

  181. notafan

    Owg

    I just meant that spiel about US evangelicals could be reduced to one sentence

    Trump666

  182. OneWorldGovernment

    I personally am f*king sick of sh*thead dumb university types that think they know everything.

    I personally think that every university in Australia should be bulldozed and the land they occupy be put to better use.

    And for the life of me I cannot understand wht the Australian Tourism Industry does not sue the arse off the kangaroo poo sniffer and his mates for saying that The Great Barrier Reef is DEAD.

    What a f*king slur.

  183. johanna

    Baldrick
    #2636364, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    Oh, my, what a corker. God bless tabloid journalism!

    Beetroot meets hamburger.

  184. notafan

    I was waiting for an empty chair

  185. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636543, posted on February 14, 2018 at 4:33 am

    Owg

    I just meant that spiel about US evangelicals could be reduced to one sentence

    Trump666

    ROFL

    Sorry notafan.

    I was just getting wound up and missed your nuance.

    Where are you at this time because I enjoy your comments.

    And your comments elicit other folks comments which I also enjoy.

  186. notafan

    OWG

    I am in France watching Walker Texas Ranger, in French, with French subtitles.

    With Chuck Norris a little dialogue goes a long way.

    Back home in a couple of weeks

  187. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna
    #2636551, posted on February 14, 2018 at 4:43 am

    Baldrick
    #2636364, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    Oh, my, what a corker. God bless tabloid journalism!

    Beetroot meets hamburger.

    It’s a photo shop thingy and a heap of crap.

  188. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636560, posted on February 14, 2018 at 4:48 am

    OWG

    I am in France watching Walker Texas Ranger, in French, with French subtitles.

    With Chuck Norris a little dialogue goes a long way.

    Back home in a couple of weeks

    LOL

    Did you see that Chuck Norris is suing the pants off the folk that produced and distributed the Walker Texas Ranger franchise because “they” didn’t give him the full percentage he signed up for.

    I think someone has told him how much money Sony is still continuing to make, and your watching it in France, so he wants his percentage contract amount. I think I saw that it was 23.5%. LOL.

    It may not be available for much longer so enjoy.

    I enjoy your posts and ripostes.

    Take care over there.

  189. Snoopy

    If it’s photoshop they should have transferred some of the thighs to the breasts.

  190. OneWorldGovernment

    Tom

    Once again some great ‘toons’.

    I appreciate your dedication and your various comments.

  191. johanna

    Here’s an assertion that I think holds true. Since females joined the workplace in large numbers, their contribution, if measured as a cost /benefit that obviously would include trade offs, it’s been a negative. That’s right, a negative contribution.

    While being characteristically unspecific with boring details like what time period he is talking about, JC’s belligerent ignorance shines through yet again.

    Say the baseline is 1960, or 1970. Since then, real income, and real GDP per capita in Western countries has more than doubled. These are the countries where female workforce participation has increased significantly.

    So, how did things go in Aceh, or Somalia, or any other country where women are barred from economic participation? The answer is, badly, very badly.

    I sometimes wonder if the jerks around here who continually bag women as unreliable, stupid and a drain on the economy have ever been out in the real world.

    Gab and I have crossed swords many a time, but I have no doubt that she is worth at least every penny she is paid to the economy, probably more. Same goes for Calli and many other kittehs.

    True, Lizzie is a leech who can’t even drive, but she is in the minority here.

    If the female labour force withdrew, what do you think the result would be? Greater wealth for all?

    On a so-called economics blog, the lack of rigour is disappointing.

  192. OneWorldGovernment

    Snoopy
    #2636563, posted on February 14, 2018 at 5:02 am

    If it’s photoshop they should have transferred some of the thighs to the breasts.

    I like Kentucky Fried Chicken also.

  193. Arky

    Is anybody still ”live” in Malotto? He’s outlasted most predictions.

    ..
    Ha ha ha.
    Just like Brexit and Trump, I predicted this one correctically too.
    I told you idiots the wet Liberals would ride that giant turd of a man all the way to oblivion.
    Youse should listen to me more.

  194. Arky

    I sometimes wonder if the jerks around here who continually bag women as unreliable, stupid and a drain on the economy

    ..
    No, silly.
    You only bag women when they’re too ugly to root otherwise.

  195. Arky

    If the female labour force withdrew, what do you think the result would be? Greater wealth for all?

    ..
    Yes.
    All that most of the birds at work contribute is endless, meeting extending, self serving piffle preventing blokes from getting on with the actual work.
    Even traditional female occupations are something we could do without.
    Western society would not end if there were no nurses or baby sitters you know.

  196. Arky

    A good female worker, however, is a true joy to work with.
    Rare though.

  197. OldOzzie

    Tom
    #2636548, posted on February 14, 2018 at 4:42 am
    Michael Ramirez #1.

    Thanks Tom – Michael Ramirez1 wins today

  198. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna
    #2636565, posted on February 14, 2018 at 5:10 am

    johanna

    I appreciate what you are saying but maybe you have missed the point.

    Look, JC is an abrasive shit in a lot of ways but see it from his side.

    When anyone is in a fast paced work environment you haven’t got time to reflect if you have upset someone. Sure, at the end of the day you can sit down and debrief, but that is it.

    I can argue, baseline 1960, that once it took one person to go out and earn the money to put food on the table and pay for the shelter for 3 to 4+ kids.

    Nowadays it takes 2 people to do the same with maybe 0 to 1 kid.

    Your reference to Aceh or Somalia or any other country without women working is reference to f*king deadly foul muslims.

    I’ll leave your other comments about folk on this site for your reflection but I will finish with this question.

    If all women withdrew drom the work force, what do you think would happen?

  199. OldOzzie

    Scandal for scandal, Sam Dastyari has gall to lecture Barnaby Joyce

    Amid all the moralising, navel-gazing and skulduggery of the ongoing Barna-baby saga, is there anything quite as galling as twice-disgraced ex-Labor senator Sam Dastyari’s contribution to the sludge.

    Late on Monday night, the NSW Labor man broke his near-total public silence of recent months to offer some unsolicited advice to the Deputy Prime Minister. “Hey Barnaby, I went for a LOT less,” Essential Media’s newest executive tweeted. “Quit while you are behind. Trust me – it only gets a LOT worse from here”.

    At the time of his resignation, Dastyari said he was standing down because his continued place on Labor’s backbench distracted from “the pursuit of Labor’s mission”. His Twitter comments suggest that after all this time, he still doesn’t get it.

    Nothing Barnaby Joyce is accused of doing comes near undermining Australia’s national security, or of running interference on the alternative government’s stated foreign policy. Dastyari left Parliament because it was revealed he had warned a party donor that his phone was potentially being tapped by government agencies.

    This followed his lying, blatantly, about the character and nature of comments he gave defying his party’s position on the South China Sea dispute.

    These were not failings of a personal nature, which could arguably be separated from his professional conduct. No one queasily debated whether or not the revelation of Dastyari’s actions was in the public interest.

    This was an influential Labor member using that influence to benefit a foreign national (who paid his bills) and a foreign power, when he had reason to suspect this would undermine the work of our intelligence agencies and those of our allies.

    And he has the chutzpah to lecture on whether Vikki Campion’s appointment to Matt Canavan’s office without Malcolm Turnbull’s sign-off breached the ministerial code of conduct.

    Joyce’s transgressions, if all hold up, would show him to be a hypocritical, sleazy love rat with less-than-fulsome gift disclosure, whose girlfriend moved from government office to government office in dubious circumstances. No one’s arguing he hasn’t done wrong. But unless someone finds Campion has close ties to the Chinese government and that Joyce was undermining his party’s policy positions accordingly, we still don’t see how that could possibly be worse than Dastyari’s sins.

    On Tuesday, Dastyari, fresh from a radio spot on KIIS with Kyle and Jackie O, was disingenuously pretending to be disappointed with the heavy online coverage his comments from the previous night had gotten. Because a master showman such as him doesn’t know how the media works and didn’t know exactly what he was doing. Incredible.

  200. Baldrick

    Ben Garrison for my money today.

  201. Baldrick

    Obambi’s portrait in context with other President’s.
    What a cockhead.

  202. Snoopy

    f all women withdrew drom the work force, what do you think would happen?

    Women working to pay other women to look after their kids is lunatic. They may as well all stay home and do each other’s washing.

  203. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636575, posted on February 14, 2018 at 5:43 am

    as Pepperman a Kurd on Twitter, rightly points out the ‘Syrian opposition’ is actually Al Qaeda, why again, is the US supporting them?

    notafan

    What it means is that every Turk, Iranian, Hezbolan, Palestinian and Syrian are going to wipe out the Kurds and what is left of the Christians.

    Be careful of some of those twitter feeds.

    There is an enormous propaganda war going on with full on intent to attack Israel.

    They talk about Russians colluding with Trump.

    It was Obama and Clinton that were sucking up to the bad scum.

  204. notafan

    Probably what Pepperman, a Kurd, thinks too.

    I’ve been following Pepperman for years.

    He’s the guy that hide in a field of peppers to report on the isis attack on Kobane.

    Iirc he returned to France, currently mainly updating on situation in Afrin.

  205. OneWorldGovernment

    Or go the other way.

    Trump is the first US President to stand up against Russia and the rest of the bad f*cks in a long time.

    Check out Manbij, Syria

    Plus Trump has told US forces, go for it whenever you see or suspect a belligerent.

    And Jim Mattis doesn’t stuff about.

  206. notafan

    Could Sam Dastyari be more stupid and annoying?

  207. notafan

    OWG

    I’m of the view that an Assad win is the least worse outcome.

  208. Snoopy

    Alberscreechy: Domestic violence is not a problem. One in five men don’t beat their wives.

  209. OneWorldGovernment

    What is becoming increasingly obvious is that the USA will not put up with neither Turkey nor the filth called Pakistan nor the mad mullahs in Iran. Obamas mates.

    NATO and the EU have been given a sharp ultimatum.

    Our sniveling so called PM is going to drag his sorry arse over to Washington next week.

    Hopefully Trump asks him why not one of your so called diplomats had my phone number when I was elected President.

  210. OneWorldGovernment

    notafan
    #2636583, posted on February 14, 2018 at 6:10 am

    OWG

    I’m of the view that an Assad win is the least worse outcome.

    Totally agree and said so from the start.

    He actually looked after Christians. His wife is a pommie.

    Mad Obama and Clinton wiped out a bloke in Libya that had been tamed and then transferred there crazed blood lust to Syria and Assad.

  211. OneWorldGovernment

    By the way I’m not forgetting the photographs of the 2 Vietnam heroes McCain and Kerry when they met Assad and Al Quaeda personnel.

  212. nemkat

    Labor would love Barnaby to hang tough.

    The longer he stays, the more likely he inflicts terminal damage on the Government.
    There’s obviously been a cover up involving several Ministers.

    The Daily Telegraph are still determined to push it as a Bonking Story, with Barnaby as the yokelish victim of a Femme Fatale.
    Really sad.
    He needs to grow a pair, and do the righty by his mates.

  213. OneWorldGovernment

    I’ll stop soon but lest we forget.

    The FBI, which has had some spectacular American traitors within it’s top echelon ranks and whom are currently serving 30 life sentences and the CIA the same.

    Brennan voted for a Communist to be President of America.

    Clapper became a muslim.

    During the scum Obama Holder regime they made the FBI and all other security apparatus to drop reference to foul islam.

  214. OneWorldGovernment

    nemkat

    do you vote?

  215. OneWorldGovernment

    Tom

    May I direct your attention to Powerline please that has a special The Weak in Portraits: Obama Edition

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/the-weak-in-portraits-obama-edition.php

  216. OneWorldGovernment

    nemkat
    #2636591, posted on February 14, 2018 at 6:43 am

    OWG:
    Do you sleep?

    Yes, I sleep. Often.

    Can you answer a direct question?

  217. stackja

    Spire London: 771ft high and only one set of stairs for fire escape …
    thetimes.co.uk
    3 days ago – One of the world’s tallest skyscrapers has been given planning approval in London despite having only one escape stairwell for residents on its top floors. And a Sunday Times investigation has found at least a further seven tower blocks have been approved in the capital, each with a single stairwell escape.

  218. stackja

    Commonwealth ‘begins secret talks’ on who will succeed Queen after her death
    By Telegraph Reporters
    13 FEBRUARY 2018 • 10:31AM
    The Commonwealth has begun secret deliberations to decide who will succeed the Queen as its head, it has been reported.

    Although Prince Charles will become King on the death of his mother, the head of the Commonwealth is not a hereditary position.

  219. OneWorldGovernment

    nemkat

    Do you vote in Australian Elections?

    simple question requires a simple answer.

    hint, it’s either yes or it’s no.

  220. herodotus

    The Daily Telegraph’s front page photo pings Barnaby for looking at a woman dressed in a fashion that any man would look at. It’s a very “look at moi” ensemble.

  221. OneWorldGovernment

    herodotus
    #2636601, posted on February 14, 2018 at 7:24 am

    The Daily Telegraph’s front page photo pings Barnaby for looking at a woman dressed in a fashion that any man would look at. It’s a very “look at moi” ensemble.

    herodotus

    As I said up thread. Photo shop or whatever alternative is currently favorite.

    Or, show me the original or the negative.

    I do not believe any photograph anymore.

    And if you have seen anything of moving picture cameras then the same.

  222. herodotus

    Elsewhere in news it’s said that a company called Nufarm is set to make good money from a genetically engineered cross between seaweed and canola, rich in Omega 3 oils. The development involved the CSIRO.
    The CSIRO should stick to this sort of knitting and stay away from the climate scam.

  223. cohenite

    As I said up thread. Photo shop or whatever alternative is currently favorite.

    Photoshop eh? Has anyone seen today’s tele?

  224. calli

    I am in France watching Walker Texas Ranger, in French, with French subtitles.

    That made The Beloved laugh out loud, nota.

    Good times. 😀

  225. egg_

    ALP sock still at it – gorn by Thursday, eh?

    Trumble’s numbers won’t be changed by this – I wouldn’t be surprised if they improve as the LNP base rallies due to the ugly Leftoid onslaught.

  226. egg_

    If all women withdrew drom the work force, what do you think would happen?

    Productivity would increase – much less absenteeism, add a few robots for the menial stuff – pay increases for the workforce.
    Next.

  227. egg_

    add a few robots for the menial stuff

    Rarely have I seen a woman in my my sphere – bleeding edge technology – with half an idea to innovate and reduce the workload via automation, etc – they’re plonkers, by and large.
    A former Asian GF in Finance said much the same of her brethren and prefered to hire Aussies, as they “don’t do everything by rote”.

  228. stackja

    Daily Telegraph could face defamation over Barnaby. Daily Telegraph ran story about Rush being nasty about defamation. Rupert supported Bolt part of the way. Rupert supported BLeak. Will Rupert support more of this ‘get Barnaby’?

  229. egg_

    It’s a very “look at moi” ensemble.

    Which the other women would have noted.

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