Monday Forum: February 12, 2018

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  1. egg_

    “Hey Barnaby, I went for a LOT less,”

    Gold plated level of retard, right there.

  2. Tom

    Daily Telegraph could face defamation over Barnaby.

    Over this? Nonsense!

    One of the great tabloid front pages, courtesy of Photoshop. It’s what defamation lawyers call “fair comment”.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    The Commonwealth has begun secret deliberations to decide who will succeed the Queen as its head, it has been reported.

    Although Prince Charles will become King on the death of his mother, the head of the Commonwealth is not a hereditary position.

    Put your money on Robert Mugabe.

  4. Leo G

    Labor would love Barnaby to hang tough.
    The longer he stays, the more likely he inflicts terminal damage on the Government.

    The damage is inevitable.
    Barnaby should have stood down as deputy leader, citing private family matters as one of the reasons, before his family values faux pas became public knowledge. He would have given himself a better prospects later to resume his parliamentary career.
    But he, the Government, and the Opposition parties- and to a lesser extent, the media- chose to deceive the electorate.

  5. Dr Faustus

    Julian Assange loses bid to have UK arrest warrant withdrawn

    Judge Arbuthnot did not mince words in her ruling at Westminster Magistrates’ Court, saying that by jumping bail, Mr Assange had made “a determined attempt to avoid the order of the court”.

    Judge Arbuthnot dismissed another plank of Mr Assange’s case — a report from a UN working group which said the 46-year-old was being arbitrarily detained.

    “I give little weight to the views of the working group,” the judge said, noting that Mr Assange had “restricted his own freedom for a number of years”.

    Refreshing to see a judge unswayed by self-serving bullshit.

  6. egg_

    Daily Telegraph could face defamation over Barnaby. Daily Telegraph ran story about Rush being nasty about defamation. Rupert supported Bolt part of the way. Rupert supported BLeak. Will Rupert support more of this ‘get Barnaby’?

    Bob Hawke bragged that he paid for his lawn tennis court by suing the Press.

    I think the typical payout is $50k plus expenses – probably often out of court settlements, like Terri Butler’s recent “five figure sum plus expenses”, likely picked up by Labor.

  7. Tel

    Although Prince Charles will become King on the death of his mother, the head of the Commonwealth is not a hereditary position.

    And that’s based on what exactly? Someone in Canberra just felt like it and there you go.

    There’s only one position anyhow, Australia never created a separate position, in that sense we are still attached to the British Empire same as we ever were.

  8. Stimpson J. Cat

    If all women withdrew drom the work force, what do you think would happen?

    Silence followed by World Peace.

  9. The Barking Toad

    The cartoonists are having a ball with Barnababy. Knight, Zanetti and Pickering must give thanks for the opportunity he’s presented.

    Thanks Tom way up the fred.

    Kudelka for once is OK in the Oz too (sorry, can’t link).

  10. stackja

    West Virginia policeman fired after refusing to shoot suspect settles suit
    Reuters Staff
    FEBRUARY 13, 2018 / 4:01 AM / A DAY AGO
    (Reuters) – A former police officer who said he was fired after not shooting a man wielding an unloaded gun during a domestic dispute agreed to drop his lawsuit against the West Virginia city he worked in after reaching a settlement, his lawyers said on Monday.

    Stephen Mader arrived at the home in Weirton on May 6, 2016, to find Ronald Williams distraught and wanting to commit “suicide by cop,” according to his lawsuit. Williams pleaded with Mader to shoot him.

    Mader said Williams did not appear to be a threat and he tried to calm him. Two other officers arrived and one shot and killed Williams, whose gun turned out not to be loaded.

    Mader was fired soon after in what he said was “a flawed effort to buttress the other officer’s use of deadly force,” according to the wrongful termination lawsuit he filed last year against Weirton in West Virginia federal court.

    Weirton officials defended Mader’s firing at the time. They said Mader had worsened the situation by cursing at Williams and in two other incidents wrongly searched a vehicle without a warrant and contaminated a crime scene.

    Mader, 27, agreed to drop the lawsuit after reaching the settlement with the city, the American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia (ACLU-WV), which helped file the lawsuit, said. Weirton agreed to pay Mader $175,000.

    “At the end of the day, I‘m happy to put this chapter of my life to bed,” Mader said in a statement. He grew up in the small city of some 20,000 residents, about 20 miles (32 km) west of Pittsburgh.

    Weirton’s city manager, Travis Blosser, did not respond to a request for comment.

    The ACLU-WV’s executive director, Joseph Cohen, said in a statement that Mader’s firing was “yet another incident exposing the toxic culture that infects far too many police departments in America.”

    Since his firing, Mader has found work as a truck driver, the ACLU-WV said.

    Reporting by Jonathan Allen in New York; Editing by Ian Simpson

  11. egg_

    Barnaby should have stood down as deputy leader, citing private family matters as one of the reasons, before his family values faux pas became public knowledge.

    Not with today’s retail politicians.

  12. Tom

    Guess what? The photo on the Daily Tele’s front page is no Photoshop: it’s an actual photo of Bananaby at an industry conference in 2016 ogling the chick he later knocked up. If he hadn’t dug it out of the News Corp photo library for the Tele front page, the Tele pix editor would have been fired!

  13. Motelier

    has nemkat found all that legal evidence about bouncers being dragged into court for bashing old drunks?

  14. Peter Castieau

    Presumably if Bananaby did step down it would be only to the back bench. I say that because another by-election in the seat of New England surely would be too much to bear?

    Is power the greatest aphrodisiac?

  15. Tom

    As Barking Toad remarked upthread, even today’s Kudelka is passable.

  16. egg_

    Is power the greatest aphrodisiac?

    You’ll have to report back to the troops!

  17. OldOzzie

    JANET ALBRECHTSEN – What right do politicians have to control relationships?

    Did you hear the joke about the party of Ronald Reagan deciding to ban sex between consenting adults? Somewhere up there, the Gipper is making more fun of this Big Brother intrusion by the GOP than he did of the Soviet Union and Fidel Castro’s Cuba. While the US House of Representatives can’t agree on immigration or health reform or gun control, last week it voted unanimously to ban members of congress having relationships with anyone who is their subordinate. Boom, boom.

    When politicians decide sex between consenting adults is government business, they abandon their core business of tending to the sacred fire of liberty. Not so long ago the progressive left would have laughed at this sex ban as religious right conservatism, just as conservatives would have clung to the Reagan legacy that the nine most dangerous words in the English language are, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

    It’s one thing to set out sensible rules about sexual harassment and who is responsible for payouts. But when a ban on sex between consenting adults barely raises an eyebrow in the American congress, even their media, it points to the confluence of three powerful forces. One is very new, one is as old as government itself and the other is from last century. The #MeToo moment has joined up with the political imperative to “do something” and both are fuel­led by a political correctness so damn stifling that no one raised a peep to the state regulating the bedroom.

    Remember when Vice-President Mike Pence was mocked as an old fogey for suggesting men shouldn’t go to dinner with women other than their wives? Now it’s the height of congressional fashion to set down rules not so different.

    This new rule is condescending to both women and men. The workplace is where busy people meet other people and relationships form. Some last, others don’t, but people work through them as consenting adults. It’s none of the state’s business who sleeps with whom.

    The rule also reeks of a new form of classism, where women and men are being told not to date above their rank. And it’s squarely aimed at young women who are more often likely to be subordinates to senior men in congress.

    So, extrapolating from this, a doctor can’t date a nurse if she works for him? A partner in a law firm had best stick to dating only partners? And women in low-ranking jobs shouldn’t date above their station?

    It’s not hard to draw sensible lines: no to sex between a teacher and a student, for example, because we know that’s morally wrong, and when it comes to consensual relationships in a workplace between two adults, yes.

    This creepy class snobbery is not just about who women can date, it’s about what work they do too. Grid girls at the Formula One grand prix were told by elite voices that their work was now too vulgar. Same with young women working as hostesses at a men-only dinner in London. That’s been permanently closed down by a haughty middle-class milieu that decided such work isn’t a good fit in this #MeToo moment.

    Freedom should mean the freedom to be a grid girl, or a walk-on model at a darts competition, or a hostess at the Dorchester Hotel, rather than having others tell you what’s best for you. When it was men telling women what to do, women fought that injustice.

    More than 100 years ago, suffragette Emily Wilding Davison died after stepping in front of the king’s horse at the 1913 Epsom Derby. The feisty woman who fought to secure our right to vote famously hid inside a broom closet in Westminster on census night so she could write down parliament as her place of residence. Davison was thrown in jail nine times, and force-fed almost 50 times during hunger strikes, as she strove for women’s liberation from the paternalism and condescension of the early 20th century.

    Fast forward to the early 21st century. Women have the vote. And last week not one female congresswoman voted against a rule that tells women who they can and can’t date in their workplace.

    Having the female chromosome doesn’t make you any better equipped to tell other women who they can date.

    That we have gone awry tells the story of a new puritanical culture sorely in need of a counter-culture of liberation.

    When women are paternalistic towards other women they enable and encourage men to do it too.

    On ABC’s Radio National morning program last Friday, Fran Kelly interviewed American lawyer Avi Kumin. Kelly did her best to expose the madness of this new house rule.

    But Kumin’s answers reveal how good intentions of protecting women from sexual harassment are now curbing consensual relationships. “Sexual harassment is a major problem,” he said. “This (the new ban) is not going to fix the problem but it’s one of trying to nip it in the bud.”

    As Andrew Sullivan wrote last week in New York Magazine, feminism has become imbued with the cultural Marxist idea that a “microaggression … is on a spectrum with macroaggression … A bad date is just one end of a patriarchal curve that ends with rape. And that’s why left-feminists are not just interested in exposing workplace abuse or punishing sex crimes, but in policing even consensual sex for any hint of patriarchy’s omnipresent threat.”

    In Australia, it’s not surprising that schoolmarmish MP Cathy McGowan wants to police consensual sex in federal parliament and the Greens think it’s a worthy discussion, too. Given how Barnaby Joyce has mismanaged his love affair with a staffer, the momentum for a ban may grow only stronger unless there are clearer rules about conflicts and employing partners at taxpayer expense.

    Last year, the AFL entered the bedroom, forcing the resignations of two executives for having consensual relationships with junior employees. Neither woman complained of anything untoward, but the AFL decided it would nip any problems in the bud.

    What’s next in the name of nipping things in the bud? Maybe stop women and men from mixing freely? That’s what the Saudis do, in the name of protecting women, along with requiring women to wear a full-length black abaya in public. Nipping things in the bud, Saudi restaurants have special entrances for women, with family sections for diners separated from men-only areas. It’s not a big leap from wanting to nip things in the bud to stopping women marrying, divorcing or having elective surgery without the permission of male guardians.

    There are few clues as to how long the feverishness phase of the #MeToo moment will last. Clearly it’s longer than the Cuban missile crisis but, for the sake of women and men, let’s hope it’s shorter than the Cold War. But with no law of physics to steer the pendulum somewhere in the middle, it’s going to take some active nudging from those who think there is an alternative to agitated overreactions.

    One alternative starts with this: don’t protect us, just respect us. It’s a useful distinction that also demolishes the case for Big Sister laws about who women can have sex with in the workplace.

  18. red breast

    NEWSFLASH: “Tony Abbott announces resignation from Liberal party and joins Nationals. At a hastily called party room meeting, Tony Abbott is appointed leader of the Nationals and therefore will become acting PM next week.” — Damn I just woke up. It was a dream.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Presumably if Bananaby did step down it would be only to the back bench. I say that because another by-election in the seat of New England surely would be too much to bear?

    Too much to bear for who?
    If Bananaby retires from politics he doesn’t have to worry about the by-election. Don’t underestimate the power of the final FU parting shot. The only thing which may stop Bananaby going nuclear is the thought that it might open the door for Lezzo Windsor.

  20. Geriatric Mayfly

    Elsewhere in news it’s said that a company called Nufarm is set to make good money from a genetically engineered cross between seaweed and canola, rich in Omega 3 oils. The development involved the CSIRO.

    The horror. The Greens will be calling for that banished super fishing trawler to return post haste, rather than run the risks with this monkey business.

  21. OldOzzie

    Turnbull’s right-hand-woman, Sally Cray, emerges from the shadows

    Malcolm Turnbull’s principal private secretary, Sally Cray, may be one of the most powerful women in the country but few Australians could pick her in a line-up.

    The Prime Minister’s right-hand-woman has been thrown into the Barnaby Joyce scandal after it was revealed Mr Turnbull’s ­office, which she runs, signed off on Vikki Campion’s movements across three offices.

    Ms Cray’s name was splashed across tabloid news­papers yesterday after a text message exchange with former Tony Windsor staff member John Clements was leaked. The exchange involved historic accusations against Mr Joyce, which he has denied, that he pinched a woman’s bottom in 2011.

    Ms Cray is said to be one of Mr Turnbull’s most trusted advisers, arguably wielding great power while avoiding the limelight.

    Tony Abbott’s former chief of staff Peta Credlin and Ms Cray are understood to have clashed when they worked together in Mr Turnbull’s office in opposition, with tensions increasing during Mr ­Abbott’s prime ministership as the leadership rivalry between their bosses intensified.

    Having grown up in the Gippsland town of Traralgon and studied arts/law at Deakin University, Ms Cray gained her first taste of politics doing work experience with local Liberal backbencher Russell Broadbent at the age of 16, before working for the City of London after finishing university. She returned to Mr Broadbent’s office in 2006 before working for Mr Turnbull from 2007 to 2011, when she took a job as head of the ABC’s corporate affairs team.

    Ms Cray returned to the ­office of then communications minister Turnbull in 2013, becoming indispensable as he rolled Mr ­Abbott for the prime ministership in 2015.

    From the Comments

    Jim 17 MINUTES AGO
    You can tell Lucy picked her.

  22. egg_

    10m ago
    08:48
    Ken O’Dowd, who has never enjoyed so much attention, (as a Queenslander, I’ve always appreciated Kenny, but it is not as if he has made a splash at a national level before now) handily confirmed the reports, first broken by Lucy Barbour at the ABC, that a delegation was on its way to Barnaby Joyce.

    Stopped on his way into parliament, O’Dowd basically he hoped to have it resolved “today or tomorrow”.

    “He will probably need the advice and someone needs to tell him where the party stands at this stage and it will be a cordial meeting,”he said, but added he didn’t know who was in the delegation.

    “…If it came to [that] point, we would find a good leader, I have no doubt about that.”

    From the Grauniad live blog.

    Bedwetters.

  23. Des Deskperson

    Vikki Campion is Tim Blair’s bestie:

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/barnabys-choice-may-mean-barnaby-joyce-be-gone/news-story/03e828ea26c49ebd26abff033d33f62a

    “She is thoughtful, creative and hilarious, with a particular talent for death metal vocals at karaoke clubs. Also, Vikki might be one of the least politically-correct journalists I’ve ever known.

    Some of her one-liners are flat-out wicked. She once listened as a very young staffer wailed about the theft of her expensive new bicycle. “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””

    Wow, razor-sharp and quick as a flash. ‘Wicked’ and ‘hilarious’ indeed!!

  24. OldOzzie

    Tasmania election: ‘crash poll’ pointing to no seats for Jacqui Lambie

    Support for the Jacqui Lambie Network has crashed, with the party once on track to win the balance of power in Tasmania now unlikely to win any seats.

    MediaReach track polling, conducted for the Liberal Party across five dates since the state election campaign began, shows that while the JLN started ­strongly, its support has halved in just two weeks.

    In Ms Lambie’s political heartland of Braddon, in Tasmania’s northwest, the polling shows the JLN started the campaign with 15.5 per cent, close to the 16.7 per cent required to win a seat under the state’s system of proportional representation.

    However, its support in Braddon dropped to 6.9 per cent several days later and stood at 6.1 per cent on Monday.

    Similarly, the JLN began the campaign polling well in the other two electorates where it is running candidates — Launceston-based Bass and largely rural Lyons — but has fallen away.

    In Bass, JLN’s vote was at 11.7 per cent on January 30, but by Monday it had slumped to 6.1 per cent.

    Its support in Lyons has fallen from 12.4 per cent to 5.7 per cent over the same period.

    JLN spokesman Glynn Williams conceded the party might have been damaged by negative media coverage in the state’s northwest, but said the polling was skewed, relying on landline calls and paid for by the Liberals.

    “We have other sources of ­information and we’re quite pleased with that information, but I am not at liberty to release it,” Mr Williams said.

    The JLN has been subject to increased scrutiny since the campaign began and the incumbent Liberals — facing a tight contest to retain majority government at the March 3 election — have regularly attacked the party.

    JLN last week split with its only senator, Steve Martin, while early in the campaign there were revelations JLN Braddon candidate Rodney Flowers had pleaded not guilty to charges alleging he rode a quad-bike on closed tracks in the Tarkine region.

    The Australian revealed Lyons candidate Michael Kent differed from Ms Lambie on key policies, while Ms Lambie described policies as “discussion points”.

    Yesterday, Ms Lambie faced court action by her estranged former adviser Rob Messenger, who unsuccessfully applied to the Burnie Magistrates Court for an ­injunction banning the distribution of her new autobiography. Mr Messenger is in dispute with her over work he claims he contributed for the autobiography.

    It was also revealed Ms Lambie had appealed for new members to ensure the JLN retained its federal party status, and that she planned to divert all future donations from the Tasmanian campaign to her Senate race.

    Lambie to the Slaughter

  25. egg_

    Western society would not end if there were no nurses or baby sitters you know.

    Ditto the red tape army that’s a huge drain on the economy – the solution to that one is to automate dangerous tasks, eliminating the human risk, and cull these parasites.

  26. OldOzzie

    From the Comments

    Jim 17 MINUTES AGO
    You can tell Lucy picked her.

    Female version of this?

    johanna
    #2636551, posted on February 14, 2018 at 4:43 am
    Baldrick
    #2636364, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:27 pm

    Bwhahahaha, tomorrow’s front page of the Daily Telegraph .

    Oh, my, what a corker. God bless tabloid journalism!

    Beetroot meets hamburger.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Des Deskperson

    #2636643, posted on February 14, 2018 at 9:01 am

    Vikki Campion is Tim Blair’s bestie:

    I did wonder about Ms Markson’s thin veneer of public interest.
    The original story made no reference to job transfers or travel costs, just the affair.
    Why now?
    Why not during the by-election?
    My theory is that the initial lust had worn off and Bananaby was finding long term friends suddenly unavailable. He might have been thinking about dumping Ms Vikki with some sort of child support package.

  28. Rebel with cause

    Nice slut shaming front page on the Tele

  29. twostix
    #2636377, posted on February 13, 2018 at 10:40 pm
    If Barnaby does leave he needs to name every single mistress, bum boy and leg over woman in Canberra.

    In the middle of a furious argument between Bronny and Bramston last night on PML, Troy blurted out something like “…and I know of many other affairs in parliament…”
    Barnaby may have lots of ammo.

  30. OldOzzie

    Barnaby Joyce calls time on the pregnant mistress pub test – CAROLINE OVERINGTON

    Some have called it the pub test, others the sniff test, but given he’s from the country, maybe we should put it this way: does ­Barnaby Joyce’s explanation for when his pregnant mistress ­became his partner pass muster?

    Or is he using a technicality — a fig leaf, as it were — to get himself out of trouble?

    Joyce yesterday released a ­fairly detailed timeline of events that saw him moving from the arms of his loving wife of 24 years, Natalie Joyce, into what the Brits would call his love nest.

    The month of August is absolutely critical, as far as his survival (or not) is concerned.

    According to the timeline, Joyce welcomed employee Vikki Campion, 33, into his office in ­August 2016. He was still married at that time, with four daughters.

    Campion was engaged to be married to an ex-journo called John Bergin, with preparations for the wedding — a bridal registry on Amazon, and a diamond ring on show on Instagram — well under way. They were due to wed on November 5, 2016, but split in August.

    By February, Campion was travelling with her boss pretty much full-time, and his marriage was, by his admission, “under pressure’’. It must have failed at some point because according to Joyce’s timeline, by April 2017 he and his wife were “trying to put it back ­together”.

    It’s at this point Campion moves out of his office, to work for a colleague, Matt Canavan, in a newly created role.

    Joyce says there’s no breach of the ministerial code of conduct here, because he’s still married.

    GRAPHIC: Courting trouble

    That stacks up. On June 15, he attended the Midwinter Ball in Canberra with his wife, carrying a stock whip.

    Skipping forward a few places, Joyce yesterday confirmed Campion is now expecting his child in “mid-April”. What does this mean? Well, according to any number of online due-date pregnancy calendars — and no, we can’t believe we’re doing this ­either, but he brought it up — if you’re due on, say, April 15, you fell pregnant in July. You may not know until August. So what happened in July and August?

    Campion moved out of Canavan’s office, back to Joyce’s office, and then, in August, to the office of Damian Drum.

    And why does that matter?

    Because Drum was not a minister. Therefore, her move to his staff can’t trigger questions under the ministerial code of conduct, either.

    Joyce is therefore pleading for a pass on not one, but two technicalities. First he is saying she was not his partner when she worked for him; she was not his partner when she worked for a fellow minister; she was merely his pregnant mistress; and even if that fails the sniff test, well, by the time she’s pregnant, she’s not working for a minister, she’s working for an MP.

    Tricky business, right?

    Joyce stood for re-election in New England and won, in December. Campion left the Nationals staff in December, after which they had a bit of a babymoon, to far north Queensland together, so he could “examine roads”.

    In January, a Nationals party supporter stepped up with an empty apartment for their occupation, telling The Daily Telegraph: “He had nowhere else to go.”

    Joyce now lists himself as “separated” on the register of interests.

    His former wife has been forced to engage a crisis management professional to handle the volume of media calls, and to try to protect her daughters from the onslaught.

    She isn’t negotiating a fee for her story, but she does want to tell it. Sixty Minutes, as well as Sunday Night, among others, are more than happy to help in that regard.

    But the fun doesn’t stop there.

    Assuming he hangs on, Joyce will next week be acting prime minister because Malcolm Turnbull, who apparently has no control over any of this, is travelling to the US. Yet another rapid promotion for Campion: from mistress, to partner, to acting first lady.

    Of course, there will be some who object, saying Australia doesn’t have a formal “first lady”.

    Oh really? Have you never heard Malcolm say: “Lucy and I?” Meaning he, again, made this bed, and we all know the rest.

  31. calli

    If all women withdrew drom the work force, what do you think would happen?

    The Baby Minding Industry would collapse.

    And a fair probability that household nutrition and school results would improve.

  32. calli

    “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””

    So, it appears, is stealing husbands.

  33. egg_

    Nice slut shaming front page on the Tele

    Probably on the make with Barndoor, in case he missed it.
    The chick behind in Tom’s pic looks more how one would have expected.

  34. calli

    Yes, egg_. Seems so.

    I’ve seen that pose so many times, even down to the hair fiddle.

  35. Leigh Lowe
    #2636647, posted on February 14, 2018 at 9:10 am
    I did wonder about Ms Markson’s thin veneer of public interest.

    My scepticism has increased since watching Bolt’s recent enthusiastic promoting of Shari Markson.
    Using their logic, all affairs in and around Parliament House should be made public.
    To wit – every politician who is committing adultery should be exposed because the public are paying their wages whilst they stray off the reservation, giving them less time to spend on political duties.
    – every journalist who is having an illicit affair should be exposed so their readers can put the stories into context, especially if the two are jouno/pollie.
    – all inter-party affairs (e.g. Kernot and Evans) must be made public so the voters can see the informal links between the parties.

  36. calli

    On the Obama portrait. The chosen artist is a racist, talentless sicko.

    Just Perfect.

  37. OldOzzie
    #2636637, posted on February 14, 2018 at 8:53 am
    JANET ALBRECHTSEN – What right do politicians have to control relationships?
    …ban members of congress

    Best line all day.

  38. egg_

    Leigh Lowe
    #2636647, posted on February 14, 2018 at 9:10 am

    Gels with the reported Canberra rumours that she was “pregnant” for 16 months – “welcome to my parlour”.
    They kind of deserve each other.
    Karma.

  39. calli

    Or maybe she caught her newly-minted engagement ring in her hair. It being so new and all.

  40. Rae

    The uncropped photo (scroll down) is from a Farm Summit in Sydney in November 2016. Vikki Campion had left her then fiancé 3 months earlier, in August 2016. So, it seems they were an item even then.

  41. Geriatric Mayfly

    Please explain. For two days in QT the Liars have bombarded Barndoor with questions about infrastructure funding. Boring. What are the tactics here? Are they trying to trip him up, harass him or simply making him expose himself as much as possible – so to speak?

  42. JANET ALBRECHTSEN – What right do politicians have to control relationships?

    Preparing a defense?

    Is power the greatest aphrodisiac?

    No. My Kiwi mates swear by lanolin.

  43. egg_

    “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””

    Nerds are attracted by bawdy women?
    Blair had quite the thing for KK.

  44. C.L.

    Guess what? The photo on the Daily Tele’s front page is no Photoshop: it’s an actual photo of Bananaby at an industry conference in 2016 ogling the chick he later knocked up. If he hadn’t dug it out of the News Corp photo library for the Tele front page, the Tele pix editor would have been fired!

    Tim Blair this morning says Campion was their good mate at the Tele.
    I’d hate to see how they treat people who aren’t their mates.

  45. egg_

    The Baby Minding Industry would collapse.

    I’d look to the Japs’ solutions to many of these issues.

  46. Rae

    Using their logic, all affairs in and around Parliament House should be made public.

    Meh, I don’t think so. This one is quite different. The reasons it is have been well canvassed already here.

  47. egg_

    maybe she caught her newly-minted engagement ring in her hair. It being so new and all.

    Zinger!

  48. Looking for a larf?
    See Michael Smith’s retrospective “Barnaby Joyce’s election campaign ad against Tony Windsor”.

  49. LL, what happened to your previous gravatar of some English dandy? That was perfect.

  50. Des Deskperson

    “Tim Blair this morning says Campion was their good mate at the Tele.
    I’d hate to see how they treat people who aren’t their mates.”

    I suspect that Campion’s ‘wicked’ and ‘hilarious’ sense of humour may have pissed off some of her colleagues, if the repartee recounted by Blair is any example.

    Of course, they may all be just jealous.

  51. Rae

    Please explain. For two days in QT the Liars have bombarded Barndoor with questions about infrastructure funding. Boring. What are the tactics here? Are they trying to trip him up, harass him or simply making him expose himself as much as possible – so to speak?

    It’s pretty simple, GM. They are applying the blowtorch to his belly by forcing him to publicly demonstrate in Question Time that he is not across his job.

  52. egg_

    Are they trying to trip him up, harass him or simply making him expose himself as much as possible – so to speak?

    Yup, per the Grauniad live blog – they’re trying to show he’s not across his portfolio.

  53. Stimpson J. Cat

    “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””

    Professionals use the term “borrowed”.
    Amateurs.

  54. egg_

    Way back before the Campion saga there was a rumour he was bonking someone in Infrastructure – before he got the portfolio – is that how business is done in Canberra?
    I pity the wife – what microbes do these things carry about – a walking clap trap.

  55. egg_

    I suspect that Campion’s ‘wicked’ and ‘hilarious’ sense of humour may have pissed off some of her colleagues, if the repartee recounted by Blair is any example.

    Reads like Blair typed it with his knob.

  56. “Hey Barnaby, I went for a LOT less,”

    WRONG you Socialist Spiv.
    Barnie fucked one other Aussie, you on the other hand, fucked over 23 million of them you greasy poisonous, treasonous, Halal goat shagging Persian micro prick.

  57. Stimpson J. Cat

    It hurts to see Vikki involved in this, but, again, a personal impulse to downplay the story must be measured against political implications and – above all – the expenditure of taxes.

    No one of forcing you to write about her you Wingnut.
    Leave it to the Cleo chick if is too hard or if she is a friend.
    Women love writing about other women who are other women. .

  58. egg_

    41m ago
    09:13
    As of 9.15am, no one else has the numbers to stand against Barnaby Joyce as the Nationals leader. So, if he doesn’t want to go, there is no one to push him.

  59. Leigh Lowe

    Guess what? The photo on the Daily Tele’s front page is no Photoshop: it’s an actual photo of Bananaby at an industry conference in 2016 ogling the chick he later knocked up.

    Vikki is not familiar with the term “corporate dress”

  60. Rebel with cause

    As Barnaby is finding, there’s not much tolerance for his rooting around when the average worker hasn’t had a proper pay rise for six or seven years, the cost of basic necessities is going through the roof and punters are sick of being moralised and hectored by every two-bit bureaucrat and politician.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    LL, what happened to your previous gravatar of some English dandy? That was perfect.

    Excuse me?
    That waa a photo of me.
    (When was I using that?)

  62. egg_

    25m ago
    09:33
    Labor MPs are staying fairly quiet again today, preparing to let the government do all the talking.

    But Stephen Jones had a quick chat on his way in:

    It’s time for Barnaby Joyce to do the right thing by the country, by his party and step down. And, if he is not going to do that, if the National Party can’t sort out their own issues, then the Prime Minister has to act.

    This is not an issue about Barnaby Joyce’s private life; frankly, I don’t care about that. It’s about competence from the Government, particularly in regional Australia. We’ve got a Regional Growth Fund which was announced as their number one priority in the budget last year – $270 million to kick-start growth in regional Australia – well, we were told in October that plans and guidelines would be imminent yet we still have not got any guidelines for this fund.”

  63. egg_

    Is that the best that Labor can muster up?

  64. Leigh Lowe

    It hurts to see Vikki involved in this …

    Standard media fare.
    When one of their favourites is involved in something dodgy they bear no responsibility… they don’t do anything … stuff just happens to them.

  65. The Oz is also running that photo of Barnaby and Vikki Campion.
    “Public interest” is now the smokescreen for gossip and ridicule.
    A snapshot is not proof of the implied lechery.
    It is easy to argue Barnaby is not looking at her – just looking where he is about to place the papers he is holding in his right hand. However, the Tele and the Oz want us to believe the worst so they publish the photo with all its connotations.
    Both papers are going down the road of page 3 centrefolds.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    What is the stupid and incompetent Turnbull Govt doing about the illegally elected Susan Lamb?

    She should be spitroasted and out of the parliament by this afternoon.

  67. Rae

    Excuse me?
    That waa a photo of me.

    If one looks closely, your current red avatar does seem to be an image of a face. Whether it’s your face is moot. But one of the elderly people here says she is confusing it with my avatar, which doesn’t contain an image of anyone although it is also red.

  68. Excuse me?
    That waa a photo of me.
    (When was I using that?)

    Oh, sorry! Must be at least a year or more ago.

  69. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “Tim Blair this morning says Campion was their good mate at the Tele.
    I’d hate to see how they treat people who aren’t their mates.”

    The Telegraph broke the story. They are onto it still like Attapuss with a lizard.
    Playing and teasing; they just can’t let go. Their big scoop.
    That’s journalism for you. They’ll move on soon.
    Ride it out, Barnaby, hold your position and welcome that little baby.
    Make the best of a bad job there. Just eat that special sandwich.
    Parliament House is no stranger to your sort of rorting.
    Let’s hope some of them take a lesson from your predicament.

  70. egg_

    Both papers are going down the road of page 3 centrefolds.

    “How I met your mother”?
    Seems to target Campion more than Barndoor.
    Obama was caught stealth perving (looking down at the ground close by) on a 16 yo on a podium, as featured by Blair.

  71. Rebel with cause

    We’ve got a Regional Growth Fund … $270 million to kick-start … we still have not got any guidelines for this fund.”

    Good to know Parliament is focussed on the big issues.

  72. OldOzzie

    struth
    #2636697, posted on February 14, 2018 at 10:07 am

    This is not Kim Beazley after attending safe schools?

    You are right – Malcolm Turnbull’s principal private secretary, Sally Cray does look like Kim Beazley – Is that why Lucy chose her?

  73. egg_

    Grauniad rumour mongering:

    7m ago
    18:10
    Where things stand now
    Katharine Murphy Katharine Murphy
    The Barnaby Joyce situation is fluid. Trying to predict the outcome in a political party which approaches things in its own singular fashion is fraught.

    But my intelligence as of now is a delegation of four or five Nationals resolved to see Joyce over the course of yesterday, but the insurrection fizzled out in the evening.

    The pressure on the deputy prime minister remains acute. Joyce is showing no signs at the moment of stepping aside.

    I gather he is appealing through back channels for more time. In the event things move decisively, the internal money is on Michael McCormack emerging with the leadership, notwithstanding his lack of a public profile.

  74. H B Bear

    “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””

    Bike thieves have a special place in Hell reserved for them. And that is before we even get to the adultery bit.

  75. Des Deskperson

    ‘On the Obama portrait. The chosen artist is a racist, talentless sicko.

    Just Perfect.’

    As well as intellectually, artistically and physically a slug

    Compare the backgrounds of other presidential portraits with the cheap and lazy ‘wallpaper’ background of Obama. Reportedly, the artist has this stuff mass produced in China.

  76. Ubique

    This is not Kim Beazley?

    No oil painting, that’s for sure.

  77. Stimpson J. Cat

    She should be spitroasted

    Euw.

  78. Stimpson J. Cat

    Bike thieves have a special place in Hell reserved for them.

    Right next to people who ride bikes.
    And lycra.

  79. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””
    So, it appears, is stealing husbands.

    +1
    A lot of women are feeling this way, Calli.
    For too long other people’s husbands have been fair game for single girls and the husbands seem to have jumped right in. In past times there was a certain morality that said a married man was off limits and married men kept their pants on. That morality stopped the more thoughtless affairs at least. I am all for bringing a bit of opprobrium about that sort of ‘wrong doing’ back into social life, i.e. that there are consequences in terms of how people will regard you if you do things like this; you’ll be seen as a home-wrecker. It won’t come of course from the left, and their rah-rah team on the Women’s Weekly. It has to come from the general population of wives and mothers; the strength of their backlash against Barnaby and his squeeze shows a momentum building for that. As I said up-thread though, Barnaby will get a sympathetic coverage from the leftist AWW re his now high-profile baby when it appears. You can count on it and so can he, so I bet he stays to wait it out till then. That’ the realpolitik.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is that why Lucy chose her?

    hahaha. Lucy has taken out insurance. 🙂

  81. marcus classis

    ‘Why the Islamic Republic is Doomed’

    Link

    As the tempo of oppression mounts, the regime is scrambling to find some way to “demonstrate” its “successes” and “popularity.” The anniversary celebrations were supposed to achieve just that, but instead showed the regime’s failure and unpopularity. If you can’t get a decent turnout for the Islamic Republic’s most important holiday, you’re in trouble.

    RTWT.

    The strategic triumph of Israel (that most admirable of countries) over the last 30 years has been astonishing. Once-powerful Mohammedan states which used to threaten them have been collapsing under their own basic 7th century barbarity, civilisational and political incompetence and corruption. Iraq and Syria are now just geographical expressions.

    Iran is next.

  82. thefrolickingmole

    Never hire a staffer better looking than your wife.
    Never buy a vibrator bigger than your own todger.
    Never get involved in a land war in Indochina.

    All sage words of advice for the ages.

  83. EvilElvis

    So we have repeated days of attacks on Barnaby in parliament. At what point do the coalition benches realise that they need not counter with hyperbowl (TM) they only need to respond in silence, all holding their hands over there heads forming the heart shape with their hands as Trumble proclaims calmly from the dispatch box, “love is love”…

  84. H B Bear

    Not often you see “my” and “intelligence” in the same sentence in a story written by Katharine Murphy. Another one of Ol’ Leathery’s favourite sofa squashers (and there are a few).

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Freedom should mean the freedom to be a grid girl, or a walk-on model at a darts competition, or a hostess at the Dorchester Hotel, rather than having others tell you what’s best for you. When it was men telling women what to do, women fought that injustice.

    Or winning second prize in a beauty competition. I did!
    Oh, that was so long ago. 🙂

  86. H B Bear

    hahaha. Lucy has taken out insurance.

    Waffleworth’s first and greatest love is himself. Even Lucy and Daddy must take second place to that.

  87. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Reminds me. MitchM made reference the other day to the woman who was a Playboy Bunny and then moved on to become one of the leading research biologists of recent times. Got the link again, Mitch?

    We need role models like this. 🙂

  88. OldOzzie

    Caroline Overington The Australia – Barnaby Joyce calls time on the pregnant mistress pub test

    sums up the Sleezebag nature of the Liberal/Nationals with this paragraph

    But the fun doesn’t stop there.

    Assuming he hangs on, Joyce will next week be acting prime minister because Malcolm Turnbull, who apparently has no control over any of this, is travelling to the US. Yet another rapid promotion for Campion: from mistress, to partner, to acting first lady.

  89. LNP insider

    Big George is talking about the numbers. Let’s dive into that. The rock solid loyalists to Barnaby are George, Scullion, Canavan, Littleproud, O’Brien, Landry and Coulter. Not quite a majority. Then you have Wacka, Gillespie, Drum and Broad who are waivering in their support. If they all stick they have a majority.

    The main issue is the splits between the various alternatives. The rebel Queenslanders (Pitt, O’Dowd and O’Sullivan) don’t want Chester, McKenzie or McCormack. Then Hartsukyer is anti Barnaby, but he doesn’t like the new guard either.

    In other words it’s a real mess.

  90. Leigh Lowe

    Reports that Bananaby will take “personal leave” which avoids the “Acting PM” drama.
    And denies Vikki a run as acting FL.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle

    Stimpy is cyclophobic.
    Can I report him to the HRC?
    Back from ride just now which was very nice.
    I don’t wear lycra.

  92. Rae

    Not surprising that David Littleproud says leave Barnaby alone. He was appointed to the Nats Ministry when Joyce dumped his main leadership rival, Darren Chester. It seems to me that if/when Joyce is cut adrift Chester should be the logical replacement as Nats Leader and Deputy PM.

  93. OldOzzie

    EIA estimates for USA in 2050: The Future is Fossil Fuels and Cheap Electricity

    What energy transformation?

    The EIA Annual Energy Outlook 2018 is out. The hard heads at the US Dept of Energy crunched the numbers, assumed technology will improve, and modeled the outcomes. According to their best estimates (and even their “worst” estimates) thirty years from now, the main energy source for the US is natural gas and fossil fuels. Renewables grows from 5% to 14%, but coal, nukes, hydro stays about the same. When the Australian Greens say “we don’t want to be left behind”, the answer is “Exactly! So explore for gas! Use Nukes!”

    The World’s largest economy will still be nearly 80% fossil fueled in 2050.

    On the road, most people are still using gasoline cars, and here’s the kicker — electricity prices are still at about 11 cents per kilowatt hour. Weep all ye Australians, Brits, Germans and other who would be grateful if electricity only rose 10% a year, not 10% over 30 years.

  94. H B Bear

    Reports that Bananaby will take “personal leave” which avoids the “Acting PM” drama.
    And denies Vikki a run as acting FL.

    Don’t come a’ knockin’ if The Lodge is rockin’.

  95. EvilElvis

    I don’t wear lycra.

    I hope you wear more than a smile, Bruce…

  96. candy

    Vikki Campion looks quite attractive in that picture, at a function listening to someone speak. Apart from Barnaby leering at her private regions, it all looks pretty normal. I’m not sure the Daily Telegraph are out to get her at all.

    It’s Barnaby Joyce, for some reason. I wonder if they know some other things about his past. Is there another child somewhere. It seems odd, as I thought the DT were aligned with the Coalition. You would expect this from a Fairfax publication.

  97. Steve of kenmore

    More wise words
    Never invade Russia in winter

  98. Infidel Tiger

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

  99. So you were mixed up with the marxists from the very start of your Uni days. Take from the rich gify shop and give to the poor Uni students.

    I don’t recall any of them pilfering souvenirs. The story back then was about damage, not thievery.

    It was a genuine question because until you have lived and worked in Canberra it is hard for folk to understand the depth of entitlement.

    I post at the Cat where scores of mediocre white men think they are ubermenschen, I know all about people with entitlement issues.

  100. H B Bear

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

    Which head was doing the thinking you mean?

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    What energy transformation?

    I like this headline today:

    IEA Warns Of New Oil Glut

    Would it be possible to harness Green head explosions to generate electricity?

  102. Rae

    Vikki Campion looks quite attractive in that picture

    Coquettish is how she looks, candy.

  103. candy

    In other words it’s a real mess.

    They might be polling people, including Barnaby’s electorate, to find out what people think. You know, waiting for a poll to tell them what to think and do. There is still the Barnaby “aura”. He has been a big personality in Australian politics. I imagine the Nats are deadest scared they might lose support if they drop Barnaby.
    His electorate love him, no matter what, is my understanding.

  104. Infidel Tiger

    If you are going to fuxk the staff, cheat on your wife and diddle the taxpayer, you better make sure the initials on your letterhead include ALP or ABC.

  105. bundyrum

    The political class of this country are disgusting.

    No wonder this place is circling the drain.

  106. Arky

    Reminds me. MitchM made reference the other day to the woman who was a Playboy Bunny and then moved on to become one of the leading research biologists of recent times.

    ..
    Those biologist nerds are clever bastards.
    Sneaking a Playboy bunny into the lab.
    “Great work, Miss Bunny on the ahhhhh, um, ‘twisty twirly moly thingys’, as you put it. Keep this up and you’ll get the Nobel prize for sure”.
    Biology isn’t real science anyway.

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    True, Lizzie is a leech who can’t even drive, but she is in the minority here.

    Hoh! I can so drive. I was taught to drive in the paddock by the Bogan Boys. With dodgy brakes.
    Graduated then to wheelies on the dirt roads. Now I specialize burning Heartbreak Hill to Vaucluse.
    Hrmph. Just because I bust a tyre or two.

    Johanna’s worse than Hairy on this, although he doesn’t t’ink I’m a leech.
    Except on cold nights I guess, when I cuddle up extra close. 🙂

  108. Apart from Barnaby leering at her private regions, it all looks pretty normal. I’m not sure the Daily Telegraph are out to get her at all.

    I assume that’s sarcasm?

  109. Myrddin Seren

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

    The guy is a piss-head; apparently will try it on with any female with a pulse, and; loves gorging himself and his hobbies at the taxpayer trough.

    As the ladies upthread say: Leave Beetroot alone – he is an Aussie legend and will be a hero to the Housos in Armidale – one of their own for sure.

  110. candy

    Coquettish is how she looks, candy.

    I don’t think so, Rae. Just a normal looking 30 something career lady wearing what she prefers to wear. If it’s a short skirt, so what?

  111. C.L.

    The Daily Taliban now reporting new “allegation”: Barnaby was “loud” and “inebriated” at event.

  112. I gather he is appealing through back channels for more time. In the event things move decisively, the internal money is on Michael McCormack emerging with the leadership, notwithstanding his lack of a public profile.

    Another journo turned pollie. Those are the worst.

  113. Ubique

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

    Barnaby was letting his other head do all the thinking 🤔. That’s what got him into trouble.

    I’m still wondering whether Barnaby was having a late mid-life crisis or whether this episode was a continuation of a pattern of previous aldulterous behaviour.

  114. teddy bear

    I don’t see how him taking personal leave is going to help the situation as I seriously doubt people would be happy about him getting personal leave because he knocked up his mistress and couldn’t handle his mess.

    All it will do is put the pressure firmly back on the Government for being complicit in the whole mess of keeping it secret, moving her from job to job and then allowing them personal leave to try to diffuse the situation.

    Given Turnbull’s past judgements it is probably precisely what they will do.

  115. egg_

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

    If Campion spread the pregnancy rumours 16 months ago, she was out to hook him.
    Her meeja mates have now outed Barndoor as the dad.

  116. Ubique

    Vikki Campion looks quite attractive in that picture

    Straight out of Rockingham I’d say.

  117. egg_

    Blair vouches for Campion’s character.

  118. All it will do is put the pressure firmly back on the Government for being complicit in the whole mess of keeping it secret, moving her from job to job and then allowing them personal leave to try to diffuse the situation.

    Yep. It’s a luxury that regular people aren’t granted.

  119. cynical1

    Some of her one-liners are flat-out wicked. She once listened as a very young staffer wailed about the theft of her expensive new bicycle. “Stealing bikes,” Vikki said, in a perfectly calming and empathetic tone, “is easy and fun.””

    Barney agrees…

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Vikki Campion looks quite attractive in that picture

    She’s a size too large for her clothes.
    Eating out too much, I’d say.

  121. Arky

    My dickhead brother is a PhD in biology.
    If that c*** can do it then your average Playboy bunny is probably over- qualified

  122. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1207

    How about she get a job that has nothing to do with rooting?

    Well that job certainly won’t be with either Labor or the Slime. Getting ahead in both of them is based on nepotism and partner swapping.

  123. egg_

    Is the Candy sock off its meds?

  124. An excellent demolition piece about the ABC, and Frank Elly in particular, by Andrew Hastie in today’s Australian contains these memorable lines:
    Mohammad Marandi is a well-heeled apologist for the Islamic Republic who teaches American and postcolonial studies at the University of Tehran. Softly spoken with a smile like moonlight on a tombstone, he’s a regular on Western, Russian and Iranian television.

  125. C.L.

    You’ve fallen a long way, Monty.
    You’ve been waiting excitedly for the fall of Trump but all you got was Barnaby Joyce.

  126. Rae

    Coquettish is how she looks, candy.

    I don’t think so, Rae. Just a normal looking 30 something career lady wearing what she prefers to wear. If it’s a short skirt, so what?

    No problem with the clothing, candy. The pose looks coquettish.

    But then, she might be just thoughtfully twirling her hair while thinking how to answer a work-related question from him. And his seemingly lustful leer might just be a grab from a video or multi-shot photo shoot that caught him in mid-blink.

  127. Infidel Tiger

    Meanwhile Susan Lamb continues to illegally sit in the Federal Parliament, but she told a pack of lies and cried, so no one is going to refer her to the High Court.

    This country is very fucked up.

  128. candy

    Yep. It’s a luxury that regular people aren’t granted.

    That’s the main thing, the annoying thing, I agree, Monty.
    One rule for some and one rule for others. I think the secrecy was definitely to do with Barnaby Joyce and Malcolm Turnbull being pals going around together, giving authenticity to Malcolm Turnbull and gloss and style to Barnaby Joyce. Matching hats and shirts. Working together.

    So they were desperate to hide the affair and the PMO top level people obliged MT.

  129. egg_

    Given Turnbull’s past judgements it is probably precisely what they will do.

    Is this all a distraction squirrel from Susan Lamb?

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    When I first met Hairy I took him for a drive in the mountains in my little red Alfa sports, earned with the sweat of my brow in, yes, in a job, Johanna. Did a few burns for him and then a fabulous tyre-crunching hand-brake wheelie on a lonely loose-dirt road.

    He was sweating so much I had to stop and let him take some clothing off to recover. 😀

  131. Well that job certainly won’t be with either Labor or the Slime. Getting ahead in both of them is based on nepotism and partner swapping.

    Yeah nah BJ, that dog don’t hunt right now. The LNP is in the dock at the moment.

    You’ve fallen a long way, Monty.
    You’ve been waiting excitedly for the fall of Trump but all you got was Barnaby Joyce.

    Oh yes CL, Trump’s time will come. It comes for all of us.

  132. Stimpson J. Cat

    I don’t wear lycra.

    You may stay.
    Just ride your bike on the footpath.
    I also hate pedestrians.

  133. Habib

    Is she talking from experience?

  134. Delta A

    This thread is completely trashed!

  135. Assuming he hangs on, Joyce will next week be acting prime minister because Malcolm Turnbull, who apparently has no control over any of this, is travelling to the US. Yet another rapid promotion for Campion: from mistress, to partner, to acting first lady.

    Only because we have stupidly accepted the unmarried ‘partners’ of politicians in such roles.

  136. Rae

    I think Susan Lamb and her dual citizenship status will be referred to the High Court for decision one way or another.

  137. One rule for some and one rule for others. I think the secrecy was definitely to do with Barnaby Joyce and Malcolm Turnbull being pals going around together, giving authenticity to Malcolm Turnbull and gloss and style to Barnaby Joyce. Matching hats and shirts. Working together.

    So they were desperate to hide the affair and the PMO top level people obliged MT.

    Whoa candy, this is huge news if true. Malcolm and Barnaby were having the affair all along, Vikki is just a ruse! You heard it on the Cat first.

  138. egg_

    There should be a Barnababy thread.

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    The story back then was about damage, not thievery.

    Perfectly sane to destroy inanimate objects that you do not own over the age of sixteen Monty.
    Good work.

  140. egg_

    See if the socks leave the OT.

  141. Rae

    This thread is completely trashed!

    In what way?

  142. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So they were desperate to hide the affair and the PMO top level people obliged MT.

    They’re all in it up to their necks, Candy. All they can do is sit it out. It will pass.
    Women will forgive Barnaby because we are forgiving creatures, and many men will envy him.
    The dumped wife and the daughters will join a throng of others from both sides of politics.
    The lesson, if any, is never ever take any man you have for granted. Work on it.

  143. cohenite

    The strategic triumph of Israel (that most admirable of countries) over the last 30 years has been astonishing. Once-powerful Mohammedan states which used to threaten them have been collapsing under their own basic 7th century barbarity, civilisational and political incompetence and corruption. Iraq and Syria are now just geographical expressions.

    Iran is next.

    Well said. I hope you are right about iran.

  144. Rae

    Women will [not] forgive Barnaby because we are forgiving vindictive creatures

    FIFY

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    M0nty, this may be news to you, sitting alone at your computer with a donut for company, but men have bromances. They drink together and go to the footie and the races together and talk men things away from the girls. They are not gay. They just enjoy each other’s company. There’s often a group of them.

  146. Perfectly sane to destroy inanimate objects that you do not own over the age of sixteen Monty.
    Good work.

    Like I said, I took off to Sydney as soon as we got there. Had a girl there I wanted to see. Better memories. 🙂

  147. Geriatric Mayfly

    Looks like we will have to have another Apology Remembrance Day. For some reason, yesterday’s attempt to smother us all in guilt, yet again, failed to gain any traction. Barnaby and Vicki should say ‘Sorry’ to the stolen ones for grabbing all the attention.

  148. Oh lighten up Lizzie, it was just a joke.

  149. Stimpson J. Cat

    (that most admirable of countries)

    No they are not.
    They did not earn their country.
    They were given it by the world as a consolation prize.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Well said. I hope you are right about iran.

    We want the mullahs removed in Iran, but the last thing on earth any sane person wants is Iran to collapse.

    Things are heating up again in Syria, that have no good outcome.

    Trump is being led astray by the neo-con losers he has surrounded himself with.

  151. thefrolickingmole

    Yeah nah BJ, that dog don’t hunt right now. The LNP is in the dock at the moment.

    Indeed, as its mainly the labor side that roots kiddies.

    Journos protecting pollies because its “not in the public interest” is a form of corruption.
    If you want power then you must be scrutinized.
    People have a right to know if their local member is a “furry”, a cottager or shacked up with a loving trio of beagles. Letting pollies and journos police themsleves as to whats “moral” or acceptable get us freaks like the Labor pollie, her trans woman husband and her 2 dads kid.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4882492/How-Labor-s-Louise-Pratt-s-son-ended-three-dads.html

  152. Leigh Lowe

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

    Ask Barnaby’s dick.
    It was driving the bus.

  153. Delta A

    There should be a Barnababy thread.

    Oh, yes please!

  154. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Delta, Barnaby is the topic du jour around every water cooler today.
    Australians are bored by being back from the holidays. That’s all.
    Cat merely reflects the zeitgeist.
    Let’s change the topic. Is Davos still on?
    I’ve got to depart now, so maybe that will help. 🙂

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh lighten up Lizzie, it was just a joke.

    Awww, M0nts, I know that. Special pet trollie kisses xxxxxxx make it all better now?

  156. struth

    Yep. It’s a luxury that regular people aren’t granted.

    Tribal evaluation he can afford to make as the media would never go after the left like this.
    I’m not excusing Bananaby Juice, (yuk) but this is all a little too convenient as a distraction squirrel FOR PEOPLE ILLEGALLY SITTING IN OUR PARLIAMENT.

  157. People have a right to know if their local member is a “furry”, a cottager or shacked up with a loving trio of beagles.

    No they don’t.

    They have a right to know if their local member is using public funds to buy furry costumes, junkets to visit exotic toilets in strange places, or special beagle treats.

  158. RobK

    Is Davos still on?
    I’ve got to depart now, so maybe that will help. 

    There’s a name for that but it escapes me. Im thinking hand granades….

  159. Tribal evaluation he can afford to make as the media would never go after the left like this.

    The media spent months discussing Gillard’s house renovation from 20 years ago.

    If Plibersek got pregnant to a young male staffer, you can forget about any other story being on the front page of the Telly for the next year.

  160. Myrddin Seren

    Lizzie

    Women will forgive Barnaby because we are forgiving creatures,

    So no consequences ?

    In any event – the only women whose views on this whole episode who count will be the Nats-voting ladies of New England. My own prejudices lead me to think this is not going to sit well with that demographic. As I mentioned previously – Beetroot will be a legend amongst the Housos though.

    and many men will envy him.

    Yes – but do the Housos of New England form a significant voting cohort for the Nats ?

    The dumped wife and the daughters will join a throng of others from both sides of politics.

    The lesson, if any, is never ever take any man you have for granted. Work on it.

    That is the lesson ? Hey long-suffering political partner – if you stay at home keeping the family together, the home and the possible business ticking over and maybe being a face in the community – it is YOUR fault that your piss-pot, root-rat husband is knocking off everything with a pulse ?

  161. JC

    Johanna

    While being characteristically unspecific with boring details like what time period he is talking about, JC’s belligerent ignorance shines through yet again.

    Say the baseline is 1960, or 1970. Since then, real income, and real GDP per capita in Western countries has more than doubled. These are the countries where female workforce participation has increased significantly.

    So, how did things go in Aceh, or Somalia, or any other country where women are barred from economic participation? The answer is, badly, very badly.

    I sometimes wonder if the jerks around here who continually bag women as unreliable, stupid and a drain on the economy have ever been out in the real world.

    Gab and I have crossed swords many a time, but I have no doubt that she is worth at least every penny she is paid to the economy, probably more. Same goes for Calli and many other kittehs.

    True, Lizzie is a leech who can’t even drive, but she is in the minority here.

    If the female labour force withdrew, what do you think the result would be? Greater wealth for all?

    On a so-called economics blog, the lack of rigour is disappointing.

    Again, Johanna demonstrates her innumeracy and why mostly all sheilas are just not good at most high level jobs.

    What we’re basically discussing here, is the potential/propensity of enormous populations. Of course, within these groups you would find perhaps say no more than 1% that are excellent workers, but here’s the rub. How do you sift and separate 1% good and the 99% useless? You can’t of course. And I’m sure most of the Cat gals would be in the 1% (with some notable exceptions).

    Johanna manages to fuck up everything she touches with her inability to understand basic numeracy/stats and slightly complex argumentation, which of course is the reason she held a taxeating job for so long. Boy, does it show!

  162. thefrolickingmole

    monty, as it currently stands there are laws and conventions which would mean a private citizen would suffer if a journo or lawman found their particular peccadillo.

    Allowing deviant lifestyles to be hushed up leads to opportunity for “scratch my back I scratch yours” as well as blackmail and other forms of corruption.
    Allowing people with influence (and yes this applies to Bonkaby) to featherbed their moral failing with a media cone of scilence is wrong.

    Bonkaby should have fought an election campaign with his dirty laundry out to show, as it stands he may have won precisely because the media decided the public shouldnt know.

    That should apply to every pollie, if you set yourself up as better than the rest of the population we deserve to know if you are a lump of shit in your past dealings with family or friends.

  163. Macbeth

    Please don’t start elevating PM’s wives in this country to “First Ladies”. We have no such office.

  164. struth

    I post at the Cat where scores of mediocre white men think they are ubermenschen, I know all about people with entitlement issues.

    Seeing Nazis here at the cat and indeed anywhere except the mirror and he’s not a troll IT?

  165. struth

    Please don’t start elevating PM’s wives in this country to “First Ladies”. We have no such office.

    There is no office of PM in our constitution, so there is no first lady.
    Turnbull is the head of a political party that’s it.
    There is no mention of parties in the constitution.
    No one voted for Turnbull except some dunderheads in his electorate.

  166. Allowing deviant lifestyles to be hushed up leads to opportunity for “scratch my back I scratch yours” as well as blackmail and other forms of corruption.
    Allowing people with influence (and yes this applies to Bonkaby) to featherbed their moral failing with a media cone of scilence is wrong.

    If all that Barnaby had done was have a deviant lifestyle, the shytestorm going on at the moment would be a lot less. People don’t really care about that. It’s the corruption that is the issue here.

    Journos need to expose corruption when they see it, and follow it up when they hear rumours about it. The Bronwyn episode should have taught them that the public are very interested in corruption, even at a low level. Moral failings that don’t impact on public policy or finances… not so much.

  167. struth

    If Plibersek got pregnant to a young male staffer, you can forget about any other story being on the front page of the Telly for the next year.

    Do we really respond to this dribble IT?

  168. Roger

    Barnaby will get a sympathetic coverage from the leftist AWW

    The Women’s Weekly has succumbed to the long marchers?

    The CWA is our last hope!

    To the barricades…tea & scones, anyone?

  169. Habib

    Unfortunately it will pass, and the obfuscation, chicanery, thievery and duplicity forgotten, rather than punished as these offenses should be. Tumbril & Trebuchet Time.

  170. Rebel with cause

    I am still trying to figure out how Barnabus thought his would all play out?

    Was the pregnancy a surprise?

    Why Barnaby hadn’t had the snip is a good question – perhaps he’s now finally got the son he’d been hoping for?

  171. struth

    The media spent months discussing Gillard’s house renovation from 20 years ago.

    And that’s only just touching on her criminal activity.

    It’s not criminal activity to have a root.

    Big difference.

  172. Habib

    If Plibersek got pregnant to a young male staffer, you can forget about any other story being on the front page of the Telly for the next year. Too right, rock spiders and snowdroppers are one thing, but a pervert with this level of depravity is a rare creature indeed.

  173. Stimpson J. Cat

    Like I said, I took off to Sydney as soon as we got there.

    So you hang out with wannabe adult criminals, and when they break the law you do nothing, and say nothing, and run away.
    Harden up Monty.

    Thank f$ck you didn’t go to Malmo my innocent little lamb.

  174. Infidel Tiger

    The CWA is now a far left greenist organisation.

    They spent the last year spruiking fag fandagoes.

    They are awful.

  175. OldOzzie

    Trump budget guts climate science funding

    The Trump administration is targeting federal funding for studying and tracking climate change while boosting the continued burning of planet-warming fossil fuels.

    The White House’s 2019 spending plan seeks to reduce or eliminate climate science programs across an array of federal agencies, from gutting efforts to track greenhouse gas emissions and research to eliminating funding for NASA satellites that study the impacts of climate change.

    Though President Donald Trump’s budget unveiled earlier this week is highly unlikely to be adopted by Congress, it is a direct indicator of just how little weight his administration is giving to warnings from climate scientists about longer droughts, stronger storms and rising seas.

    Mr Trump has called climate change a “hoax” and appointed forceful advocates for increased oil, gas and coal production to lead key federal agencies overseeing environmental enforcement, energy production and public lands.

    In the 160-page budget summary released by the White House, the term “climate change” is only mentioned once — in the name of a science program marked for elimination at the Environmental Protection Agency. A week after EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt suggested global warming might be beneficial to humanity, his agency issued a 47-page strategic plan for the next five years that does not include the word “climate.” Asked about the absence of climate change in the budget and the strategic plan, EPA spokesman Jahan Wilcox said the agency will focus on its core goals which “are designed to transform the way the agency does business and more efficiently and effectively delivers human health and environmental results.”

    Federal health and climate scientists predict that by the end of this century global warming will add as many 9000 deaths a year in the US because of heat, costing as much as $140 billion a year. They say hot weather promotes the spread of infectious diseases, reduces work capacity, increases rates of violent crime, reduces agricultural production and worsens air quality.

    Environmentalists say the deep budget cuts, if implemented, would amount to suppressing facts about global warming while turning up the Earth’s thermostat by pumping more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

    “Trump’s budget is a statement of his priorities, and this budget demonstrates that he couldn’t care less about protecting clean air, clean water, public health or our public lands,” said Michael Brune, executive director of the Sierra Club. “This is a shameful, ideological document that represents the extent to which Trump has fully given himself over to corporate special interests above all else.”

    Mr Trump’s proposed budget for EPA eliminates $US16.5 million in funding and 48 full- time jobs at the Global Change Research program, which develops scientific information related to climate change and its impacts on human health, the environment and the economy. Also zeroed out is $US66 million for the Atmospheric Protection Program, a collection of climate-related partnerships seeking voluntarily air pollution reductions by private companies.

    EPA’s Atmospheric Protection Program, tasked with completing an annual US inventory of greenhouse gas emissions to fulfil international climate treaty obligations would be slashed from $US103 million to less than $US14 million, a reduction of about 87 per cent. The White House would also eliminate the Science to Achieve Results program, which provides $US28 million in research grants and academic fellowships in environmental science and engineering. At the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, money for climate- related research would be cut by more than one third, to $US99 million. That includes eliminating research programs to better understand the Earth climate system and research into decreases in Arctic sea ice. Trump’s budget also seeks to cancel five Earth-observing satellites costing about $US133 million in 2019. That includes a satellite designed to monitor Earth’s carbon cycle, which is key to tracking climate change.

    Meanwhile, the White House is promoting what Mr Trump has dubbed an “energy dominance” strategy, emphasising increased investments in oil, gas and coal. At the Department of Energy, research into new renewable energy technologies is shifting to boost research into fossil fuels.

    The budget “demonstrates the administration’s commitment to American energy dominance, making hard choices, and reasserting the proper role of the federal government,” the White House’s budget blueprint says. “In so doing, the budget emphasises energy technologies best positioned to enable American energy independence and domestic job-growth.” The budget for the Department of Interior seeks to ramp up drilling and mining on federally owned land while repealing an Obama-era rule requiring oil and gas operations to reduce leaks of methane, a potent greenhouse gas that traps about 25 times more heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.

    “The president’s budget is the textbook definition of ‘pennywise, pound foolish,”’ said Shana Udvardy, a spokeswoman for the Union of Concerned Scientists. “Natural disasters do more damage because of climate change, and 2017 was unprecedented for deadly extreme weather events.”

  176. So you hang out with wannabe adult criminals, and when they break the law you do nothing, and say nothing, and run away.

    Freedom fighters, Stimpfler. It all depends on your point of view.

  177. Roger

    The CWA is now a far left greenist organisation. They spent the last year spruiking fag fandagoes.

    Verily, we have reached the nadir of Western civilization.

  178. JC

    I forgot to add another example of Johanna’s logical faults.

    Below is an example of veering toward logical absurdity

    So, how did things go in Aceh, or Somalia, or any other country where women are barred from economic participation? The answer is, badly, very badly.

    No someone with even a 89 IQ would be comparing the failed states like those to somewhere present an argument. Johanna does of course. Absurdly so.

    Switzerland courageously maintained a ban on female suffrage until ~around the mid 70s. Workplaces were of course male dominated. Switzerland at the time was at the top in terms GDP scales.

    Of course, since female voting, a nasty strain of socialism has infected that once wonderful, heaven blessed nation. I wonder why?

  179. struth

    Journos need to expose corruption when they see it, and follow it up when they hear rumours about it. The Bronwyn episode should have taught them that the public are very interested in corruption, even at a low level. Moral failings that don’t impact on public policy or finances… not so much.

    $80 billion of our taxes going into the pockets of the Clinton Crime Syndicate, billions wasted and lost in the indigenous parasite sector, Chinese influence on socialist pollies, ete, etc, et fucking cetera, and we are concerned about this?

    Journalists are a fucking disgrace.
    If only it were a couple of jobs going to the girls that gave the best head.
    It wouldn’t make it right, but a bit of perspective here please.

  180. thefrolickingmole

    Journos need to expose corruption when they see it

    So abandoning a spouse, claiming to be a moral person while not being dont count then?

    You do know theres a huge overlap between how people act in private and how they conduct themselves in “real life”.

    Let me use an example.

    We appointed a known gay bloke to the high court at a time when it was still against the law in many states. In that time the judge made a number of decisions which benefited those on his “side” of politics.

    His illegal behavior was covered up despite being an open secret.

    Meanwhile Billy Bongsmoke the man buggering bum bandit from blacktown recieved a conviction for the same activity.

    Thats corruption.

  181. egg_

    this is all a little too convenient as a distraction squirrel FOR PEOPLE ILLEGALLY SITTING IN OUR PARLIAMENT.

    Yup, IT nailed it, as usual.

  182. Mark A

    If anything, I’m on the prudish side, but for the life of me I can’t see the fuss about the BJ affair.
    And please don’t come and say “yes but he is the deputy PM” so what?

    See the picture in the, I think, DT today. My God, can’t we even ogle a good looking female now?
    If not then I’m as guilty as anyone.

    Judge him on his performance, and on that he should quit. He is more than disappointing.

  183. So abandoning a spouse, claiming to be a moral person while not being dont count then?

    It counts a little bit as a talking point in the culture wars, but not enough to lose a public service job over.

  184. egg_

    The CWA is now a far left greenist organisation.

    They didn’t spill their tea over the Barnabonk?
    Watch mah tea!!

  185. DrBeauGan

    A bloke who looks at a girl’s legs or down the front of her dress is not perving.

    It’s natural.

    It’s the blokes who don’t that need watching.

  186. Andreas

    If Plibersek got pregnant to a young male staffer, you can forget about any other story being on the front page of the Telly for the next year.

    Bullshit, it would be front page in Women’s Day about how she’d found a wonderful new love.

    I can find just one single tiny article in The Australian reporting Burke shacking up with a staffer.

  187. thefrolickingmole

    m0nty

    So you are fine with the press not making a peep over any of this while he was up for re-election?

    Values matter, and the public need to know the values that drive those squandermonkies who control the public purse more than nearly any other group.

    Otherwise we may as well elect “Florida man” and get it over with.

  188. Habib

    CWA was infiltrated and turned years ago, probably the easiest one to roll. Silly old bags are suckers for socialist/hippy cobblers, should stick to bingo and bumnut & lettuce sangers.

  189. Stimpson J. Cat

    ‘I want a new bunch three times a week’: Waleed Aly’s wife Susan Carland shares emotional video explaining why she buys herself flowers because her husband won’t

    I approve this message.
    Good girl.
    Take notes wamen.

  190. candy

    If Plibersek got pregnant to a young male staffer, you can forget about any other story being on the front page of the Telly for the next year.

    For sure. She would be gone overnight. Different expectations of a female than male. Otherwise females having babies outside of their marriage upset the applecart. Women are held to more honourable standards, to keep family/society together. The sociology experts here could explain all that. I don’t think it should be simply called sexism.

  191. Farmer Gez

    The Krauts were always the same.
    A local lad writes home of his experiences after escaping the Germans as a POW in 1917.

    While passing through villages on the march, French women tried to give us food and the guards punched and kicked them about awfully.
    Some of the guards even smacked little children over the face for trying to give us cigarettes.

  192. Geriatric Mayfly

    can’t we even ogle a good looking female now

    Ogling and leering were early entrants in the Feminists’ never ending litany of prohibitions. I think they both gained prominence back in the day, when the photocopier was the most dangerous installation in any office.

  193. struth

    Jeez, I tell ya, staying back late one night in the office after a coupla drinks with that thing dressed liked that, I gotta say, I don’t know if I could trust myself.
    Classic idiot male, Barnaby, you’ve just ruined your life.
    How common is this bullshit?
    Men are programmed to do it and are fighting these urges all the time to remain decent for their families and women folk.
    Barnaby failed.
    I hope I never do, and with every passing day I get older and uglier and the chances decrease.
    No other animal on earth has to try to control his primal urges as much as a human Christian male.

    So boo hoo, let’s get back to illegally sitting politicians, and Clintongate, and not play into the hands of this distraction squirrel.
    His party will work out if their supporters want him gone or not.
    I think they should get rid of him, because he has shown himself to be of weak moral fibre, not fitting as their representative.
    But this type of story is as old as humanity, and boring.

    How can a country be worried about what will sort itself out anyway, I mean sure report it, with such other more drastic attacks on the nation by the U.N. and it’s puppets.

  194. Habib

    Aren’t flowers haram? Someone’s in for a light beating when the sheikh returns to his tent.

  195. Pickles

    Is there a list of those on the opposition benches who have had illicit affairs? With each other? With staffers? With journalists? Is there also a list of those who have employed the Womb Broom to avoid embarrassment? Does Barney have this list and will he use it as the Holy Hand Grenade and on the count of three toss it toward thy foe?

  196. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.

    — Margaret Thatcher

  197. stackja

    mh
    #2636842, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:22 pm
    Mark Latham: Malcolm Turnbull should sack Barnaby Joyce

    And BS gets a free pass.

  198. Stimpson J. Cat

    No other animal on earth has to try to control his primal urges as much as a human Christian male.

    Ahem.
    A mentally ill Christian male.
    Imagine trying to chat up things that aren’t even there.
    Good times.

  199. struth

    If Plibersek got pregnant to a young male staffer, you can forget about any other story being on the front page of the Telly for the next year.

    For sure. She would be gone overnight. Different expectations of a female than male. Otherwise females having babies outside of their marriage upset the applecart. Women are held to more honourable standards, to keep family/society together. The sociology experts here could explain all that. I don’t think it should be simply called sexism.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha……………………….cough,…..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  200. Geriatric Mayfly

    Is there also a list of those who have employed the Womb Broom to avoid embarrassment?

    There would be a few of them, not just to avoid embarrassment, but also not to hinder their life on the leather benches; or worse, not to stall their upward progression.

  201. Stimpson J. Cat

    No other animal on earth has to try to control his primal urges as much as a human Christian male.

    You’ve never been to a Saudi Camel Beauty Contest have you?

  202. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1205

    Freedom fighters, Stimpfler. It all depends on your point of view.

    From my point of view, your juvenile left fascism is tiresome.

  203. struth

    Yup, IT nailed it, as usual.

    Who?

  204. OldOzzie
    #2636817, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:03 pm
    Trump budget guts climate science funding

    More winning.

  205. pete m

    ML is an idiot. Liberal Party have no control over National Party. He cannot be sacked as leader of Nats by MT, only from a position in cabinet, which by convention libs would not do.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    Please don’t start elevating PM’s wives in this country to “First Ladies”. We have no such office.

    I agree.
    Totally inappropriate.
    Vikki certainly wasn’t the first and she ain’t no lady.

  207. struth

    You’ve never been to a Saudi Camel Beauty Contest have you?

    The best “hump”?

  208. stackja

    Leo G
    #2636621, posted on February 14, 2018 at 8:26 am
    Labor would love Barnaby to hang tough.
    The longer he stays, the more likely he inflicts terminal damage on the Government.

    The damage is inevitable.
    Barnaby should have stood down as deputy leader, citing private family matters as one of the reasons, before his family values faux pas became public knowledge. He would have given himself a better prospects later to resume his parliamentary career.
    But he, the Government, and the Opposition parties- and to a lesser extent, the media- chose to deceive the electorate.

    Public been deceived for years by ALP. People don’t care?

  209. Senile Old Guy

    Their ABC:

    Lost boys: the African youths behind the headlines.

    Who are the African youths behind summer’s provocative headlines? We spent 10 days with the South Sudanese community in Melbourne to find out.

    South Sudanese-born Kuon Gido was behind the wheel of a stolen BMW full of teens when he lost control on Melbourne’s West Gate Bridge. “I don’t know how to explain it,” Kuon said. “I was young, with all the boys, kicking back, trying to help each other out. When we got into trouble, we didn’t see it as a big thing, you know?”

    Yup, stealing a car is no “big thing”.

    As a sign of his lost innocence, the 18-year-old can’t remember what he wanted to be when he grew up.

    An 18 year old is not a boy, or even a youth.

    “I don’t know. When my parents split up, I was a really angry kid. I was just adapting, you know?”

    Yup, “adapting” by stealing cars.

    He says his parents’ split was the source of his anger, together with the feeling he was different from everyone else — an outsider here in Australia. Understanding Kuon’s story is the key to understanding this summer’s heated debate about African-Australian youth crime: the push factors are disadvantage, education, employment and cultural clashes.

    Yup, the “push factors”. What about the other factors: that Australia took his family in and will have paid considerable sums on education, health and welfare?

    And then the ABC does the sneaky statistics trick that Andrew Bolt has called them on.

    For the year ending September 2017, people born in Sudan made up 1 per cent of alleged offenders linked to crime. The biggest group of alleged offenders were born in Australia, which made up 71.7 per cent, followed by New Zealand at 2.2 per cent.

    The appropriate comparison is per cent of population group: then, as Bolt has shown, South Sudanese are greatly over-represented in the statistics.

  210. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #2636855, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    ALP created first lady fiction.

  211. mh

    pete m
    #2636854, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    ML is an idiot. Liberal Party have no control over National Party. He cannot be sacked as leader of Nats by MT, only from a position in cabinet, which by convention libs would not do.

    The title is misleading, which I just copied and pasted. They weren’t quite Latham’s words.

  212. stackja

    Senile Old Guy
    #2636858, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    Mistake of them been let in, compounded by weak Victoria.

  213. Women are held to more honourable standards

    Tell that to the “lady” who glassed a bloke on a P&O cruise recently.
    Or the Queensland woman who stabbed her seven children (and a niece) to death.
    Perhaps pass on the message to the Melbourne woman who drove her car into a lake, drowning 3 of her 4 children.

  214. egg_

    Prof Emma Johnstone at the NPC.

    I note that on the farmbot Catalyst vid linked afore, none of the half dozen featured developers were wymminz – may have been due to a Muzzo head.
    She talks about inventions.
    Blokes as a course of their work create inventions/tools on the job to make theirs and others work easier.
    Females seem to bereft of this feature.

  215. mh

    He cannot be sacked as leader of Nats by MT

    Just to be clear, Latham is saying Turnbull should be sacked as Minister.

  216. mh

    Sorry, I’m in a rush!!!! Latham is saying Turnbull should sack Joyce as a Minister.

    I think Turnbull needs to go too, but that is another issue.

  217. Roger

    South Sudanese are greatly over-represented in the statistics.

    There’s yet another factor which distorts the figures:

    Very many south Sudanese youth weren’t born in Sudan, but in refugee camps in Uganda or Kenya, still others are Australian born. They will not be recorded in the statistics as “South Sudanese” by birth.

  218. Top Ender

    More government incompetence:

    The NSW premier admits the government’s controversial container deposit scheme has had “teething problems” after the opposition revealed consumers were out of pocket by $100 million.

    Under the so-called “return and earn” scheme, which started December 1, the NSW public had paid $110 million in higher beverage prices but only $8.3 million had been returned to consumers as of Monday, the opposition said.

  219. Roger

    More government incompetence:

    “NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian conceded on Wednesday “there is no doubt, and I’m not going to take away from the fact, this program had major teething problems and we knew that would be the case.”

    That’s a special type of stupidity.

    Why, even the peak incompetents in South Australia can manage to run a bottle deposit scheme.

  220. Tom

    Hahaha. Pierson Morgan on Tucker Carlson just outed Omarosa Manigault (the woman Trump hired then fired as “Assistant to the President and Director of Communications for the Office of Public Liaison”), as a “vicious, conniving, scheming” trollop who, when they appeared together on Celebrity Apprentice, proposed that they pharque and sell the sex tape. Best five minutes of entertainment, not to mention education about celebrities, you’ll get today.

  221. egg_

    on the farmbot Catalyst vid linked afore, none of the half dozen featured developers were wymminz

    Probably not sexy enough for the princesses, who’d prefer to be space cadets with Musk?
    I hope that the farmbot guys make a motza internationally.

  222. H B Bear

    This country is very fucked up.

    Going backwards for a decade and showing not even the slightest sign of turning around any time soon. Drifting on a mirage of inflated property prices.

  223. Habib

    the feeling he was different from everyone else — an outsider here in Australia. No, I disagree. These scamps fit right in with the surly levantines of SW Sydney, and assorted pockets of multi-generational pissed and tweaking bogans and Abos spread across this fine land. The newest arrivals can help meet a yawning skill shortage in that area, greatly benefiting the chemical manufacturing, brewing and distilling and panel repair sectors, as well as proving a boon to the insurance and security industries.

  224. egg_

    TV Guide included her in its 2013 list of The 60 Nastiest TV Villains of All Time

    Ewww.

  225. stackja

    Top Ender
    #2636869, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    NSW Greyhound ban was a bright idea too.

  226. egg_

    I think Turnbull needs to go too, but that is another issue.

    More grass roots* would probably prefer to see Turnbull go.

    *No pun intended, Barn.

  227. The office of Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce has corrected his years of military service, after the ABC pointed out discrepancies between his official biography and his Australian Defence Force record./blockquote>

    Okay, so he’s lost the doctor’s wives and ex-servicemen, who else in the Liberal Party base is he going to annoy?

  228. Myrddin Seren

    Under the so-called “return and earn” scheme, which started December 1, the NSW public had paid $110 million in higher beverage prices but only $8.3 million had been returned to consumers as of Monday, the opposition said.

    Presumably working as planned then.

    A massively expensive and inefficient boondoggle, allegedly spawned because Mike Baird has sads about cans and bottles on Manly Beach. It was always a loser that would dribble a few coins back at people who were most probably recycling their containers in council bins and shopping centre bins already.

    The scale of the black hole is impressive. Wonder which NSW Libs are on the ‘free coffee mug’ list for this ?

  229. stackja

    H B Bear
    #2636874, posted on February 14, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    Voters wanted Gough. Then wanted Kev.

  230. jupes

    Parliament House is no stranger to your sort of rorting.

    This is true. After many years of scandals they still seem infected with that gormless sense of entitlement.

    Let’s hope some of them take a lesson from your predicament.

    Doubt it. They just don’t get that government money is taxpayer’s money. Witness how Barnaby pushed the rules to (beyond?) the limit by resorting to definitions of when his floozy became his “partner”. No sense of responsibility to the taxpayer whatsoever.

  231. Stimpson J. Cat

    Freedom fighters, Stimpfler. It all depends on your point of view.

    What did they free Monty?
    Who did they free Monty?

  232. thefrolickingmole

    Who does the Guardian get to explain the ladies football injuries problem.

    A transvestite whos currently barred from the top game..

    Spate of ACL injuries no surprise given way AFLW is set up
    Hannah Mouncey

    Now inquiring minds want to know, is this mansplaining the problem??

    It’s painful to say it, but there is little if any hope anterior cruciate ligament injuries (ACLs) in AFLW are going to go away. This is not to wish ill on anyone, but to acknowledge that we’ve found ourselves in a perfect set of circumstances for these injuries to occur.

    Consider the way the league was set up. What we have seen is many footballers who were perhaps only training a couple of nights a week, suddenly put in a professional environment where the speed of the game is much quicker. Not just because those playing are the best of the best, but the grounds are so much better, and the new rules mean the game is designed to be quicker than anything they’ve played before.

    The preparation the players have had means their bodies haven’t necessarily been strengthened in the way they need to be to reduce the incidence of these injuries. This is not a slight on the players, the coaching staff or the clubs at all, they have all been just as hamstrung by the timeframes involved. To a degree this has been the appeal of those coming from elite backgrounds in other sports; they’ve had elite training for years, which means their biggest task is to learn the football side.

    Some, like Peter Brukner, have come out this week arguing that cis women are more susceptible to ACL injuries in sport. An important issue that has been overlooked, however, and is not about biology, is the way women have been encouraged to train. They have been steered away from the weights room and instead told to do more cardio – when in fact women stand to benefit more from the preventative benefits of weight training than men. Look at how many women have issues with hyper mobility; while weight training won’t stop someone being hyper mobile, it will certainly help prevent people from potentially getting into dangerous positions as a result.

    The AFLW players simply haven’t had time – while most, critically, continue to work full or part-time jobs because the wages they are paid means they can’t afford to be full-time athletes.

  233. jupes

    Meanwhile Susan Lamb continues to illegally sit in the Federal Parliament, but she told a pack of lies and cried, so no one is going to refer her to the High Court.

    Mind-blowing. We have a flagrant breaking of the law and our lawmakers sit mute because she told a bullshit sob-story. Talk about a gormless sense of entitlement.

    And what about the bigger picture. We’ve had – how many now? ten? – foreigners illegally making laws that they expect us to obey? How the fuck does that work?

  234. Bruce of Newcastle

    Now M0nty will enlighten us to the length his own military service.
    More than 4 years 10 months?
    Being a political officer in the DPRK Army doesn’t count.

  235. Senile Old Guy

    Hahahahahahaha!

    The deputy Nationals leader said “whilst not everyone agrees with the decisions made in the personal life, everybody agrees that when you want people to deliver real results….Barnaby Joyce is the one.”

    Comedy gold! Apparently, there are people who think BJ has made good decisions!

  236. egg_

    Michaelia Cash
    @SenatorCash
    16h16 hours ago
    #SuperstarsofSTEM #SmP2018 @ScienceAU wrapping up the gala dinner, so glad to help these women, and other female scientists, show the world who they are and what they can do!

  237. Habib

    Going by the printout from PMKeyS, Barnacle was a non-active chokko, no SERCAT allocated. Must’ve done basic at Singleton then went over the hill and up the hill. I note with a bit over 4 years he didn’t have an ADM, so obviously hadn’t paraded once a month & gone on camp once a year. Still more than any of the hydatids in the ALP/Greens collective have managed.

  238. What did they free Monty?
    Who did they free Monty?

    Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

  239. Boambee John

    Much as it pains me to say it, I agree with m0nty on something. Bananaby must go.

    However, I suspect that we differ on a related matter.

    Every one of those politicians who has had it off with junior staff, and (as they all inevitably will have) used ANY element of their remuneration package, including sharing the hotel room for which they receive an allowance, must also go. Those who cross party lines (hi Gareth and Cheryl) must explain what deals they made in post coital languor, and all affected legislation must be reviewed and re-confirmed

    So must all the dual citizens, no sob stories about breakups with mum, or losing touch with the dad with whom Australian Story reunited them recently. Unless they can clearly show their status, bye bye. MT needs to clarify his maternal line too.

    Then there are the paid agents of foreign powers. Sam is gone, but Joel remains.

    That will leave only the incompetents, we can probably survive their ministrations!

  240. Stimpson J. Cat

    Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

    Quoting En Vogue is not an answer Monty.

    Don’t be shallow.

  241. johanna

    Doncha love how the luvvies care deeply about poor countries, except when they don’t. Latest target is Kenyan rose growers, whose successful exports are a ray of light for inhabitants of the Dark Continent.

    Importing Kenyan roses for St Valentine’s Day is big business, but the locals are circling the wagons:

    Since the start of February, more than 6.46 million rose stems had been imported from Kenya, up nearly 1.25 million roses on the same period last year.

    Shane Holborn from the Flower Association in Australia said it was nearly impossible for Australian rose producers to compete against imports.

    “Rose producers in Australia are a dying breed,” he told ABC Rural.

    “We’ve had a substantial number of them just go out of business or change to another crop; it’s not easy for them.

    “It’s difficult to compete with countries where the labour laws are a lot more relaxed, the wages are lower, the chemical registration and usage laws are very different to ours, so it puts [Australian] rose growers under pressure at this time of year.”

    Kenya is one of the world’s biggest exporters of roses, and according to the Kenya Flower Council (KFC), the nation’s floriculture industry earned $890 million (70.8 billion Kenyan shillings) in 2016.

    The council’s website said flower farms in Kenya employed more than 100,000 people and were on track to expand greatly over the next five years.
    Biosecurity changes on the way

    Mr Holborn said the flower industry in Australia had long held concerns about the biosecurity threat posed by imports.

    He said discussions with government over the past 18 months had been positive and he was expecting new biosecurity rules on cut flowers to be introduced on March 1.

    “Our biggest issue is that these flowers are coming from countries with known pests and diseases that we don’t want [here in Australia],” he said.

    “In a nutshell, the changes [due on March 1] will be around more fumigation of the product before it comes into the country, more rigorous checking when they arrive, and more consistently applied sampling procedures in all ports of entry.”

    He said the new biosecurity rules could potentially change the viability of Kenyan rose imports.

    Note that they do not cite a single example of Kenyan roses causing any problems at all, except to local growers who are determined to stifle competition.

    They care deeply about poverty in Africa and elsewhere, and then proceed to move heaven and earth to prevent them from doing business in agriculture and related areas where they have a competitive advantage. Their labour costs are lower, they do not duplicate our laws in every aspect of production, so let’s hobble or ban them.

    Thanks to Kenyan imports, roses are now affordable and accessible for a lot more people, as the higher figures demonstrate. Can’t have that.

  242. Quoting En Vogue is not an answer Monty.

    I can’t change your mind, you can’t change my colour.

  243. Arky

    M0nty, this may be news to you, sitting alone at your computer with a donut for company, but men have bromances. They drink together and go to the footie and the races together and talk men things away from the girls. They are not gay. They just enjoy each other’s company.

    ..
    That is the gayest thing I have ever read on this blog (aside from all Tigger’s irredeemably closeted mutterings about getting Monty to cup his balls).
    A real man doesn’t crave the company of other men. He suffers them. And once he can make people of his own he has zero interest in pre- existing individuals in which he had no say in the design or production.

  244. stackja

    johanna
    #2636896, posted on February 14, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    And if ALP/ACTU would allow wages to be more realistic? Or should Australian growers quit and just become ‘productive’ paper shufflers?

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