Open Forum: February 17, 2018

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  1. Steve trickler.

    Viva
    #2640405, posted on February 19, 2018 at 12:19 am
    What law would you propose

    It’s like the Arab Is-raeli conflict. Both sides know what land swaps need to be made etc but nobody likes the concessions required and anyway they hate each other

    In broad outline rational thinkers on both sides of the US gun debate know that the ban on high powered weapons needs to be reintroduced and they need to get serious about background checks
    I understand that Democrats are considered idiots and have no credibility to argue the case so it has to come from the conservative side

    At present the conservative side doesn’t think – or won’t allow themselves to think – that guns are a problem It just mental illness. It’s like saying terrorist attacks aren’t a problem, It’s discrimination and disadvantage.

    In truth I think that there will be peace in the middle East before the tide turns on this issue in America

    It is mental illness. That is the problem you goose. Take away guns and they will build a bomb to kill the kids at school…..actually they will probably go and buy guns on the black market and do it anyway. Why should law abiding citizens be stripped of the right to own them? Why should wackos dictate the narrative?

    FFS.

  2. Oh come on

    Speaking of whisky, I went for a pre mass walk this morning, into ‘Centreville’.

    I read that first as Centrelink. No, don’t go in there, Nota! Don’t go! Look behind you!!

    Then I read again and realised you’d written ‘Centreville’.

    Then, as I kept reading, I checked again to make sure you didn’t write Centrelink, because what you were describing sounds awfully Centrelink-ish.

    Then I realised it couldn’t be Centrelink. Not only is it not open on Sundays; more importantly, you couldn’t carry an open bottle of alcohol in there if it wasn’t in a paper bag.

  3. notafan

    Now sitting at the tram stop, on the other side of the park fence, enjoying the view.

    I blame the whisky.

  4. OldOzzie

    ‘They just talk!’ Trump blames Democrats for not acting on gun control earlier

    President Donald Trump on Saturday laid the blame on Democrats for the lack of congressional action on gun control, an issue that once again rose to the forefront of public discourse after Wednesday’s mass shooting in Florida.

    “Just like they don’t want to solve the DACA problem, why didn’t the Democrats pass gun control legislation when they had both the House & Senate during the Obama Administration,” Trump said on Twitter. “Because they didn’t want to, and now they just talk!”

  5. C.L.

    Oh dear.
    4chan busts Mueller for plagiarism and stunning dishonesty:

    Mueller Patched Together Much of His Indictment from 2015 Radio Free Europe Article.

    It appears Mueller and his team of far left attorneys copied much of their report from an earlier RFE article.

    4chan has a thread alleging Robert Mueller and his high-priced sham investigators got all the names and the idea for his Russian indictment from a 2015 Radio Free Europe article.

  6. C.L.

    Mueller’s team of internet jockeys sounds a lot like … Putin’s team of internet jockeys.

  7. Every now and again you see some weird leftoid fantasy arise about how Hillary becomes President from here. It’s always that Trump steps down – for some reason. Or is impeached and convicted (somehow). Or is killed or dies. Following the Presidential line of succession, Mike Pence becomes President but quickly steps down – for some reason. Or is killed or dies. Then, before the transfer of power between VP and HoR Speaker takes place, Paul Ryan steps down – for some reason. Or is killed or dies. Then, Hillary is quickly parachuted into a HoR seat (for some reason), appointed Speaker (for some reason) and subsequently winds up as President. Only a few weeks ago, this impossibly unlikely chain of events was again mooted, although it did start from the assumption that the Dems wrest back control of the House later this year, which would make it ever-so-slightly more feasible, as it didn’t involve a Republican-controlled chamber inexplicably appointing a leading Democrat Party figure as its Speaker.

    Theoretically this could happen.
    Theoretically my dog could pass the Mensa entrance exam by accidentally wagging his tail the correct number of times when asked questions from Mensa’s “culturally fair” entrance test.

  8. Lysander

    Hey Cats, just checking in to see what’s happening. Have arrived in Colombo after 14 hours in flight/transit post my Manila, Bohol, Singapore business trip (of 7 days). 6 sleeps till I’m home. Can’t wait to get home, be with my family, my couch and a steak, water and salad that I know where it came from. I can’t check the Cat for lack of wifi/internet in Sri Lankan regions but you are all in my thoughts and prayers 🙂

  9. Tom

    Mac (Stan McMurtrey, London Dail Mail).

  10. Tintarella di Luna

    Thanks Tom another great start to day, makes getting up at this ungodly hour worth it.

  11. EvilElvis

    Lock up the mentally damaged or strap them down and terminate them. But do something about nutjobs running free.

    That’s the problem nowadays. We don’t marginalise nutters we laud them and pamper them and then come up with any distraction squirrel excuse not to have to deal with them and let them off the hook.

  12. nemkat

    notafan at 11:49 pm
    The ‘lebs’ are Assyrian Christians.

    Check out David Barkho’s Facebook page if you don’t believe me.

    Yep. Here’s an idea. Let’s stop bringing people from that part of the world to Australia, Christian or otherwise.

  13. Yep. Here’s an idea. Let’s stop bringing people from that part of the world to Australia, Christian or otherwise.

    Here’s an even better idea. Let’s stop bringing in people from any part of the world until we sort out the problems we already have.

  14. notafan

    Assyrian Christians from Syria.

    I’m prepared to give them a little rope.

    A dust up on a cruise ship, from which it is unlikely any charges will be laid.

    If all our problems could be so trivial.

  15. nemkat

    They’re thugs.
    Interesting that Thug junior rang Dad Barkho from the ship and asked him to call the Federal Police.

  16. I’m prepared to give them a little rope.

    So am I.

  17. Myrddin Seren

    Deputies called to suspected shooter’s home 39 times over seven years

    Details about the calls to the Broward County Sheriff’s Office — obtained from police records by CNN — were not immediately available and it was impossible to determine if all involved Cruz.

    But the nature of the emergencies at his Parkland home included “mentally ill person,” “child/elderly abuse,” “domestic disturbance” and “missing person,” KTLA reported.

    Time bomb. Ticking.

    ( via Drudge )

  18. notafan

    It’s not just me then, that doesn’t always grasp the obvious.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    6 sleeps till I’m home. Can’t wait to get home, be with my family, my couch and a steak, water and salad that I know where it came from.

    East, west, home’s best, Lysander.
    It’s always good to return to Oz, local politics notwithstanding.
    Hope you have enough access to enjoy Tom’s Toons.

  20. nemkat

    It’s not just me then, that doesn’t always grasp the obvious.

    No, it’s obvious that they are a Federally Protected Class of thugs.

    If ordinary Australians pulled a stunt like that on the open seas, the cops would have been down on them like a ton of bricks.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Zzzzzz

    Now that’s sending me back to bed. Hairy to take over.
    Big day for me with the children, later.
    I think I can catch about an hour if I am lucky.
    I get to bed too late; must reform.

  22. Snoopy

    Am I missing something? Their ABC’s Business Editor, Ian Verrender:

    After years of tepid growth, American inflation was well underway, coming in stronger on every measure than anticipated.
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    Even more confusing, the US dollar defied logic and went into reverse.

  23. Myrddin Seren

    This from the WaPo ( of all places ) via Drudge

    The Russian journalist who helped uncover election interference is confounded by the Mueller indictments

    …much of the information Mueller published on Friday about the agency’s efforts to influence the election had already been published last October — in an article by a Russian business magazine, RBC.

    In a 4,500-word report titled “How the ‘troll factory’ worked the U.S. elections,” journalists Polina Rusyaeva and Andrey Zakharov offered the fullest picture yet of how the “American department” of the IRA used Facebook, Twitter and other tactics to inflame tensions ahead of the 2016 vote. The article also looked at the staffing structure of the organization and revealed details about its budget and salaries.

    A lot of Russian conservatives were proud. They said: “Look at what Russians can do! Only 90 people with $2 million made America scared! We are strong!” And for conservative people here, they see that Americans have CNN, Radio Free Europe, etc., that cover Russia. They say, “Why can’t we establish groups in America and have our own influence?” That’s how conservative people think here. They think this was normal.

    It is clear from the Mueller Indictment that the Democrats in Congress lead by Adam Schiff must immediately move to legislate for the strict control of election campaigning.

    No rallies without vetting and government approval. No lawn signs except by strictly controlled government permits. No one to Tweet, Spacechook or Instagram without the approval of a vast government censorship and vetting regime.

    You know it makes sense ( the opinions of the author may or may not be #Fakenews ).

  24. OldOzzie

    Tom – thanks as always great work

  25. OldOzzie

    Could describe Australia Government at all levels, Local, State and Federal

    Fire the FBI Chief

    Did a preventable massacre go unprevented because of bureaucratic failure?

    American government is supposed to look and sound like George Washington. What it actually looks and sounds like is Henry Hill from Goodfellas: bad suit, hand out, intoning the eternal mantra: “F*** you, pay me.”

    American government mostly works by interposition, standing between us, the free people at whose sufferance it exists, and the things we want to do. Want to drive a car? “F*** you, pay me.” Own a home? “F*** you, pay me.” Want to build an extension on that home? “F*** you, pay me.” Got a job? “F*** you, pay me.” Business good? “F*** you, pay me.” Business bad? “F*** you, pay me.”

    The guiding principle of American law enforcement is that it is easiest to enforce the law on law-abiding people, while enforcing the law on outlaws is something that looks terrifyingly close to hard work. That’s why gun control so ensorcels the bureaucratic mind. (Which is to say, the progressive mind: The essence of progressivism is replacing organic institutions with permanent bureaucracies.) If you are a federal law-enforcement agent with a comfy desk chair, you probably cannot imagine a more attractive anticrime program than gun control. Gun dealers have federal licenses, and they have to apply for them: You don’t have to go tracking them down — they come to you. They fill out paperwork. They generally operate from fixed addresses with regular business hours. Convenient! What you have is the power of political interposition, which is a mild form of terrorism. Want to operate a sporting-goods store? “F*** you, pay me.” And — mirabile dictu! — they pay. Sometimes, they even evince gratitude that you’ve done them the great favor of taking their money and allowing them, generous fellow that you are, to dispose of their own property as they see fit.

    Chasing down fleet-footed 18-year-old criminals through the rough parts of Chicago on a cold February evening? That’s work. And that’s why we don’t do squat to prosecute actual gun crimes — the U.S. attorney’s office in Chicago won’t even look at a straw-buyer case unless it’s a major organized-crime enterprise — but we twist ourselves into knots to figure out how to create new hoops for federally licensed firearms dealers and their customers to jump through every time some pasty-faced virgin shoots up a school.

    Chasing around pasty-faced virgins is work, too. Sometimes, you have to go so far as to pick up the phone.

    As was reported on Friday, the FBI had been alerted that a particular pasty-faced virgin down in Florida was probably going to shoot up his old school. He had put up social-media posts to that effect, cleverly shielding his identity from the steely-eyed G-men by signing his legal name to those public threats. The epigones of J. Edgar Hoover may not be Sherlock Holmes, but presumably they can read, and some public-minded citizen took some screen shots and sent them to the FBI.

    The FBI of course did what the relevant authorities did in the case of Omar Mateen, the case of Nidal Hasan, the case of Adam Lanza: nothing.

    We could replace these guys with trained monkeys, if we could train monkeys to be self-important.

    The FBI has ‘protocols’ for handling specific credible threats of that sort, ‘protocol’ here being a way of saying, ‘Pick up the phone and call the local field office or, if we really want to get wild, the local police.’

    The Friday press conference on that little oversight was a masterpiece of modern bureaucracy. The FBI has “protocols” for handling specific credible threats of that sort, “protocol” here being a way of saying, “Pick up the phone and call the local field office or, if we really want to get wild, the local police.” “The protocol was not followed,” the FBI bureaucrats explained. Well, no kidding. Why not? No answer — the question wasn’t even asked aloud. Did law enforcement’s ball-dropping mean that a preventable massacre went unprevented because of bureaucratic failure? “I don’t think anybody could say that,” says Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, who is leading the investigation. His department had over the years received no fewer than 20 calls related to the shooter. What about that? “Make no mistake about it, America, the only one to blame for this incident is the killer himself,” which is exactly the sort of thing a sanctimonious schmuck says when he doesn’t want to consider the institutional failures right in front of his taxpayer-subsidized nose and the culpable negligence — to say nothing of the sand-pounding stupidity — of his own agency.

    The FBI has a budget of $3.5 billion, almost all of which goes to salaries, benefits, and other personnel costs. Do you know how many employees the FBI field office in South Florida has? It has more than 1,000. Do you know how many employees the FBI has in total? It has 35,158 employees. It has 13,084 agents and 3,100 intelligence analysts.

    And not one of them could pick up the phone to forward vital intelligence gathered by the grueling investigative work of picking up the phone and taking a tip from a tipster. Would the sheriff have taken that call more seriously than his department took the 20 other calls relating to the killer? Impossible to say.

    For now, the FBI is in the stocks. Governor Rick Scott wants FBI director Chris Wray to resign. A self-respecting society would have him whipped.

  26. NormaP

    Tom, it is Monday. It’s another beauty.

  27. Shelley

    Assyrian Christians from Syria.
    I’m prepared to give them a little rope.
    A dust up on a cruise ship, from which it is unlikely any charges will be laid.
    If all our problems could be so trivial.

    So have I got this right? Notafan is giving those thugs a free pass because Christian. The footage and reports indicated it was more than a ‘dust up’. Not sure what you are alluding to about ‘not grasping the obvious’. Do you know the family personally or something?

    Just more of the ‘Middle East/Religion’ expert schtick you have been running on this blog for years, with your often cryptic postings and links to random articles and facebook pages.

  28. Tom

    Tom, it is Monday. It’s another beauty.

    Bugger. I forgot again! Thanks Norma.

    Johannes Leak.

  29. calli

    Assyrian Christians from Syria.

    I’m prepared to give them a little rope.

    I’m not. Just because someone’s nominally Christian doesn’t make them regenerate.

    They assaulted other passengers and ruined hard-earned holidays.

    Book ‘em Danno. Maybe they’ll find Christ after a night in the cells.

  30. calli

    Johannes Leak.

    Chuckle. He draws Lucy very well, capturing that sh*t eating grin.

  31. Delta A

    Oh dear. Seems the poster boy for poor, abused delinquents has blotted his copybook… again.

    Voller defiant as charges loom

    Former Don Dale detainee Dylan Voller may face new charges after allegedly repeatedly exposing himself at a Perth train station.

    West Australian Premier Mark McGowan yesterday dismissed Voller’s claims he was bashed by eight transit guards, saying he was advised CCTV footage of the incident would not be “particularly complimentary” to Voller when it emerges.

    An image of Voller in a hood and restrained to a chair at the Don Dale NT juvenile detention centre led to a royal commission.

    Voller posted photos of a red mark on his face following a clash with transit guards in Perth’s south on Thursday, and wrote: “threatened to be shot by police”.

    A spokesman for the Public Transport Authority said having reviewed the CCTV footage it was satisfied officers had acted appropriately.

    Paige Taylor

  32. calli

    Wussians! are sooooo yesterday.

    Today it’s Pornstars!

    Let me guess…next week it will be Wussian Pornstars!

    Hang on. Wasn’t that last year? Or was that Wussian Hookers?

    It’s all so confusing. It was so much simpler with the Kennedys.

  33. Whalehunt fun

    Yeah. Just shag the movie actress than when you’ve finished her, have her eliminated.

  34. Spider

    Sarah Two Dads complaining vehemently about George Christiansens photo of him with a gun and a caption about Greenies.

    This is from the same folk who had no issue whatsoever with people walking around with T shirts and placards threatening death to Tony Abbott.

  35. Mother Lode

    For Sarah Sea-Patrol Whale-Watch, the attack in the US was ultimately caused by guns’ undisputed power, on the briefest contact with the skin on the hand, to commandeer human bodies and rewire the brain to make them homicidal maniacs.

    Therefore, to her, seeing Christiansen holding a gun is tantamount not only to his approving of the attack in Florida, but also indicative of his desire to go into a school and mow down children.

  36. H B Bear

    Another day, another confected outrage.

  37. stackja

    Decree on Land
    From Wikipedia
    The Decree on Land, written by Vladimir Lenin, was passed by the Second Congress of Soviets of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Peasants’ Deputies on 26 October 1917, following the success of the October Revolution. It decreed an abolition of private property, and the redistribution of the landed estates amongst the peasantry. According to the Decree on Land, the peasants had seized the lands of the nobility, monasteries and Church. This decree was followed on February 19, 1918, by a decree of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets, “The Fundamental Law of Land Socialization”.

  38. OldOzzie

    Stronger flu vaccines available to over-65s this year

    Australians over 65 will have access to two stronger flu vaccines this winter in a federal move to prevent another deadly flu season.

    Flu vaccines FluAd and FluZone will be free for older patients from April through the federal government’s national immunisation program.

    A particularly deadly flu strain last year resulted in more than 1100 deaths nationally. Many of the victims were older than 65 and living in nursing homes.

    Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said the two new vaccines would give elderly patients better immunity this flu season.

    “The new vaccines give Australians the best chance at getting through the flu season with as little impact as possible,” Mr Hunt said.

    He described the two vaccines as “enhanced” and said they provided superior protection because they were specifically tailored to target particular strains while also triggering a stronger immune response in patients.

    Last year the flu mutated mid-season, which meant people who had been vaccinated had no immunity against the new strain.

    Mr Hunt said there could have been a different outcome last year had the new vaccines been on hand.

    “Medical advice from the vaccine producers, the World Health Organisation and the chief medical officer is last year’s mutation will be specifically addressed by these new vaccines,” he said.

  39. C.L.

    ABC Online “analysis” worried that Poland will not surrender to Muslims:

    Why you should care about what is happening in Poland right now.

    Imagine this: a right-wing populist party comes to power, promising to protect the nation’s Catholic roots, stand up for family values and reject the liberal elite.

    There is soon an attempt to put a blanket ban on abortion.

    The President declares same-sex marriage will never be legalised.

    Heads roll in the public service and at state TV and radio stations.

    There’s a refusal to accept refugees from nearby nations — part of the concern is that many are Muslims…

    But this is not some imaginary scenario — it’s all happened in Poland since 2015.

    Woo-hoo! Should be happening everywhere.

  40. calli

    Another confusing thing. Libs who supported SS’M’ were certain that that support would be reflected in the polls.

    Hah, ha! Fooled youse!

  41. I’m looking at the winter Olympics in a new light.
    Instapundit linked to Mark Rippetoe The Olympic Games: Time to Stop. His 2016 piece has many live examples today:
    The emphasis on backstories of the athletes’ mums, family, and injuries are all taking precedence over actual performance.
    Commentators won’t fully explain the rules of the event but are happy to tell human interest stories about the athlete.
    The Olympics are not the most important meet for many of the sports.
    Judged competitions are OK but events that have winners beating losers are not OK.
    The rifle shooting-cross country skiing event gets minimal screen time on channel 7.

    I think Rippetoe was right – it’s time to drastically pare back the Olympics.

  42. This is from the same folk who had no issue whatsoever with people walking around with T shirts and placards threatening death to Tony Abbott.

    Not forgetting the Greens initial unreserved support for this little bit of advertising genius.

  43. stackja

    Old School Conservative
    #2640498, posted on February 19, 2018 at 9:26 am drastically pare back the Olympics

    Won’t happen. Too many snouts in the trough.

  44. Mother Lode

    There’s a refusal to accept refugees from nearby nations — part of the concern is that many are Muslims…

    Apart from Germany, how many of Poland’s ‘nearby nations’ have Muslim fleeing from them?

  45. stackja

    Two cyclones on BOM map. AGW!

  46. Leo G

    …much of the information Mueller published on Friday about the agency’s efforts to influence the election had already been published last October — in an article by a Russian business magazine, RBC.

    Outsourcing the Trump-Russia investigation to the Russians?
    A p!sstake, surely.

  47. Won’t happen. Too many snouts in the trough.

    With more on the way.
    Now there are calls for more taxpayer funding of Australia’s winter olympians in order to get more medals.

  48. stackja

    memoryvault
    #2640499, posted on February 19, 2018 at 9:27 am

    Stalin made his critics disappear.

  49. stackja

    Old School Conservative
    #2640505, posted on February 19, 2018 at 9:35 am
    Won’t happen. Too many snouts in the trough.

    With more on the way.
    Now there are calls for more taxpayer funding of Australia’s winter olympians in order to get more medals.

    Why doesn’t 7 give more to fund their Olympians?

  50. Roger

    Apart from Germany, how many of Poland’s ‘nearby nations’ have Muslim fleeing from them?

    It’s a reference to MENA asylum seekers in Germany and other EU countries.

    Poland, like Hungary, refuses to go along with EU redistribution plans.

  51. Mother Lode

    Poland, like Hungary, refuses to go along with EU redistribution plans.

    Kind of my point. They aren’t actually from neighbouring countries. They are from across the Mediterranean.

  52. Roger

    Kind of my point. They aren’t actually from neighbouring countries. They are from across the Mediterranean.

    Lazy journalism or advocacy?

    No attempt to analyse the deeper question of why Easterners are rejecting W. European liberalism.

  53. stackja

    stackja
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #2640542, posted on February 19, 2018 at 10:13 am

    What word is problem?

  54. Tom

    Bubba!!! Golf’s most naturally player wins the LA Open.

  55. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2640466, posted on February 19, 2018 at 6:12 am

    Yep. Here’s an idea. Let’s stop bringing people from that part of the world to Australia, Christian or otherwise.

    Here’s an even better idea. Let’s stop bringing in people from any part of the world until we sort out the problems we already have.

    Too late for sorting it in a civilised manner, MV.

  56. egg_

    I’m prepared to give them a little rope.

    I’ll bring the gallows.

    /NADT

  57. Snoopy

    Today’s churches #1

    Church of England vicar is caught on video ‘inhaling from a crack pipe and discussing prostitutes as he says ‘I’m a very happy man”

  58. Snoopy

    Today’s churches #2

    You know the Adelaide Fringe is at full steam ahead when a local church service includes part of a show that takes its title from a French-Canadian slang word for f**k, followed by free beer and a barbecue outside — all before lunchtime on a Sunday.

    But that’s exactly what happened at the Goodwood Road Church of the Trinity at the weekend, in front of Fringe director Heather Croall and a number of artists present to be “blessed” by Reverend Sue Wickham.

    Can you guess the missing word?

  59. notafan

    Shelley

    Bit of an overreaction?

    I don’t think we should be ending all immigration because of this incident and as for the cruise ship we don’t actually know who did what to who, and unless police lay charges probably never will.

    It’s also pretty obvious that bogan ‘cruise ships’ are flavour de jour for the msm and much of the jumping up and down has been on the basis that the family were Muslims.

    In any event no-one experienced serious injuries and while some passengers complained many didn’t have a problem aka it’s a beat up.

    Already out of the news cycle.

    Sorry for making light of a terrible terrible incident.

  60. notafan

    Incidentally I have never been on a cruise but as cheap booze and lots of drinking appear to be part and parcel of these low end trips I’m surprised anyone is surprised there is a loutish behaviour.

    As for being ‘nominal’ Christians, how do you know that?

  61. notafan

    Oh and Shelley having read the rest of your comment, I haven’t held myself to be any kind of expect on any religion and as for cryptic links, who are you a reincarnated srr?

    I don’t always give the exact title but a comment because the title can always be seen if you hover your mouse over the link, as anyone with any nous would know

    If you don’t like it don’t click it.

    Oh and as for the personal attack

    naff off

  62. notafan

    Cheers Carpe

    What happens on the old thread stays on the old thread

  63. W Hogg

    Zatara
    #2640173, posted on February 18, 2018 at 7:04 pm
    It seems the BM is so desperate for bad-news stories that they keep making big bad cycles out of West coast/Indian Ocean summer lows.

    If one wants the truth before or during a storm use the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) in Hawaii. It’s a military organization whose first priority is protecting military assets from effects of storms so they do it right.

    However, under the Obama administration they got caught modifying the numbers after the fact for political purposes. Website screen shots don’t lie.

    Got a source for the screen shots Z?

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