Coalition of the wanting

As Cats know, Barnaby Joyce resigned as leader of the Federal Nationals and by virtue of the coalition agreement, as Deputy Prime Minister.

Late last week, the National Party Court Jester, George Christensen called for an end to the coalition.  Apparently Christensen:

said he wanted to see a National Party in coalition with regional Australia “rather than wedded to a Liberal Party lurching further away from the values we still hold”.

Spartacus wonders whether George considers perfidy as one of those values, but notwithstanding.

Yesterday, Steve Kates posts a fascinating idea that Tony Abbott should become the leader of the National Party because

It would finally give the true conservative side of politics a foothold and spook the Liberals into shading more towards their traditional constituency than the Labor-Lite they have become.

ISHO, I think Steve is right, no, correct.  But rather than installing Captain Knights and Dames for the purpose of realignment, there should be a dissolution of the coalition as has been proposed by George.  But with a concomitant end to the protection racket that exists for incumbent National MPs and Senators.

What Spartacus is talking about is the excellent idea put forward by John Ruddick in the Spectator this week.  For those who don’t know who John Ruddick is, he is a former member of the Liberal Party who once stood for the Federal Presidency.  Depending on who you ask, John is either the George Washington of the Liberal Party of the Sisyphus of the Liberal Party.  John has been a driving force for the democratization of the Liberal Party within NSW.

In his Spectator piece, John writes:

The National party is Australia’s greatest hindrance to good government.

Demonstrably true.  But also:

For the little they bring to the table the Nats get the Deputy Prime Ministership and five members of the 23 member cabinet on a platter.

Again demonstrably true.  And also:

In the Joint Party Room, Nationals typically argue for more conservative policies (good) but when it comes around to a leadership ballot these right-wing votes walk out (bad). When you add the National MPs and the Senators plus the LNPer’s who wear a Nationals badge in Canberra we are talking about 21 votes. When conservative Liberals are counting numbers for a leadership ballot they’re starting 21 votes unnecessarily down – around a quarter of the number who actually vote.

Wonderfully argued by John.  Conservative Cats should read and decide for themselves.

Oh and George.  Be careful what you wish for.

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37 Responses to Coalition of the wanting

  1. If it were a true Coalition the Nats should be able to vote for leadership of the Liberals as their party is affected by the Libs leaders decisions.

  2. John Constantine

    How can it be their turnbull coalition, when a slab of the coalition is banned from actually voting for turnbull?.

    Mind you, once it becomes fifty percent abc wymynsys preselected for all winnable nat seats, the party will vote turnfailure anyway.

    I had just accepted getting reamed with a godless commo hippy running their libs as the way things were, but now can consider the deliberate structuring of coalition to make as many conservatives as possible voiceless in running the country.

    Design, not flaw.

  3. Robbo

    The Country Party may have changed its name to The Nationals but they have never changed their political beliefs. They have always been agrarian socialists despite always trying to persuade us that they are actually conservatives.
    Christensen is little more than a political fart and he should be treated accordingly.

  4. stackja

    So Australia doesn’t need an agrarian society? The Red Chinese will let us eat so much of what they grow here, and we can, of course, import all the rest we need, courtesy of the UN Food program. What could possibly go wrong?

  5. struth

    They could always have a chat to Bernardi…………………………………………………………….

  6. Philippa Martyr

    Can we please stop talking about Tony Abbott as a future AusCons member?

    A very quick scan of the party’s economic policies should put paid to that idea.

    For those of you who aren’t interested, AusCons is a small government, lower taxes party. Tony Abbott would fit in about as well as Malcolm Turnbull.

  7. Texas Jack

    Agrarian socialist Nats or conservative country seat representatives labelled the Country Party, whatever they are, none of it’s going to matter, in the same way it hasn’t mattered for the past ninety years. Why should it be any different this year or next? They’re all going down in what might matter a whole lot more – a big shiny defeat. Perhaps that’ll make people wake up and realise you can’t pad-out your supposed centre-right party with a bunch of actual socialists and hope to win a chook raffle let alone a federal election. It’s the Liberal Party that matters in all of this, and in George Christensen’s calculus if you think about it. It’s how the Liberal Party is calibrated that matters more than anything, and more than ever it has demonstrated that it needs to be burnt to the ground to save itself. Funny, but true.

  8. Philippa Martyr

    So Australia doesn’t need an agrarian society? The Red Chinese will let us eat so much of what they grow here, and we can, of course, import all the rest we need, courtesy of the UN Food program. What could possibly go wrong?

    Australia needs a primary industry sector, including farming, that isn’t heavily subsidised and in need of economic protection in order to be competitive.

  9. Texas Jack

    Australia needs a primary industry sector, including farming, that isn’t heavily subsidised and in need of economic protection in order to be competitive.

    What subsidies? What economic protection?

  10. Jo Smyth

    If the Nationals are conservative, as they say they are, they should be giving their preferences to a conservative Party. At the moment that is not the Liberal Party. They should be giving their preferences to the Australian Conservatives.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What subsidies? What economic protection?

    I ran a broad acre farm in the Eastern Wheatbelt for nearly twenty years. The ONLY “subsidy” we received was the tax credit for the diesel fuel used off road, and not subject to the levy to maintain roads, worth about $8 – $10,000 a year.

  12. Texas Jack

    I run a cattle place. We don’t have a blade of grass on it at present, in the second year of phenomenal drought. Income is maybe a third of what we’d expect in “normal” years, but normal is more an oddity than something we would ever bank on. Like country people everywhere we accept the inherent risks, take responsibility for ourselves, and accept not a cent from anyone in assistance. We pay our taxes, electricity, water, council rates, and push our stock over live weights in open-outcry markets. There’s no hand of government holding us up, and no subsidy anywhere. Any suggestion to the contrary is absurd.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I run a cattle place. We don’t have a blade of grass on it at present, in the second year of phenomenal drought

    All the best, Texas Jack. I’ve steered a place – wheat and sheep – through the worst run of drought and dry seasons since the late 1940’s and it takes every fiber.

  14. Confused Old Misfit

    Question that I could probably research myself but since there are two real life farmers around I’ll ask it here. Are there any agricultural product supply management policies in place in Australia? Either state or federal? Things like marketing boards?

  15. Muddy

    You gotta git movin’ Cletus, elsewise that there fungus is gonna eat up yer face.

  16. egg_

    Agrarian socialist Nats or conservative country seat representatives labelled the Country Party, whatever they are, none of it’s going to matter, in the same way it hasn’t mattered for the past ninety years. Why should it be any different this year or next? They’re all going down in what might matter a whole lot more – a big shiny defeat. Perhaps that’ll make people wake up and realise you can’t pad-out your supposed centre-right party with a bunch of actual socialists and hope to win a chook raffle let alone a federal election. It’s the Liberal Party that matters in all of this, and in George Christensen’s calculus if you think about it. It’s how the Liberal Party is calibrated that matters more than anything, and more than ever it has demonstrated that it needs to be burnt to the ground to save itself. Funny, but true.

    Barn blinked and went down the Greens path with ‘Nimbin windchimes’ in New England.
    The 3x ex Nats Independents who sold out to Gillard. and the ALP.
    Katter.

    Agrarian Socialists/retail politicians all.

    Who was the source of the leak against Barn?

  17. egg_

    Are there any agricultural product supply management policies in place in Australia?

    Didn’t the Nats kybosh the sale of GrainCorp and the buyer’s promise of the upgrade of supporting infrastructure?

  18. egg_

    once it becomes fifty percent abc wymynsys preselected for all winnable nat seats,

    The feminisation of TheirABC Landline is almost complete – crap about Food Bank, outstation cooks – the Leftoid CWA hour.

  19. JC

    Rest assured Texas, Ronery reminds people forty -five times a day how he was a crack farmer. If you’re nice to him, he’ll buy you a car. Ronery is very lonely.

  20. Confused Old Misfit

    Without having gone into it in detail it appears to me that GrainCorp is government supported. However, the grain farmer is not obligated to sell his product to GrainCorp and no other buyer and other buyers are not excluded from the grain market.
    Are there dairy marketing boards, Pork, or egg marketing authorities?

  21. stackja

    PM Cory isn’t getting the attention that TA is. Why? I don’t know. Cory needs to stir things up. TA seems to stir up quite easily. TA gets MSM/,MT angry just by being TA.

  22. stackja

    Just Cranky seems to be.

  23. Jumpnmcar

    Farticus is arguing the Libs are not dominantly conservative, well derr…

  24. Jumpnmcar

    Egg is correct, the Country hour was the last bastion of Nats ABC. It’s gone.
    Now can we shut it down ?

  25. dragnet

    Cory not getting attention vis a vis Tony Abbott reminds me a bit of 1996 and Graeme Campbell, maverick ALP member being ignored by MSM in favour of Pauline Hanson.
    ‘Tis all about the cheap headlines and facile “analysis”

  26. Dr Fred Lenin

    I lived in a rural area for years, the local pollies state and federal were always National ,I knew a couple ,state and federal, they were all pretty ordinary you became the National candidate only with the approval of a handful of people who regarded themselves as the arbiters of politics locally ,you know the type, big frog small pond . The really wealthy local families were not interested in politics seemingly ,so the mediocre nationals aparat of small minded prats made the decisions in a mirror image of all politics in this
    country to its detriment . This is one of the reasons I despise career politics and political parties ,they stink !

  27. egg_

    The really wealthy local families were not interested in politics seemingly

    They probably just lobby for what they want through networking, NFF, etc. bodies.

  28. egg_

    … leaving politics to the rodeo clowns like Katter.

  29. Dr Fred Lenin

    (They certainly had influence egg ,the aparatchiks used to crawl to them . I had a problem with a state government department years ago I mentioned it to a mate who came from the wealthiest family in the area, he said we would soon fix that , the problem was resolved in my favour very quickly, after four months of duckshoving . When I thanked my mate he just smiled and said “politicians are there to do as they are told or take the consequences “.

  30. Confused old misfire;

    Are there dairy marketing boards, Pork, or egg marketing authorities?

    WA had a Potato Marketing Board, but some bloke with hairy ears may have ruined that little earner.

  31. I am Spartacus

    Farticus

    Now that is kinda funny.

  32. Confused Old Misfit

    Winston Smith
    #2645757, posted on February 25, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    Confused old misfire;

    Hah hah! You got that right! These days that’s about it!

  33. Squirrel

    The idea of doing away with formal Coalition arrangements has been mooted from time to time, over many years, typically on those occasions when the Liberals had a majority in their own right in the House of Reps, and usually bringing a quick reminder from the CP/NP leader of the day that the Liberals still needed them in the Senate.

    The circumstances now are very much different, but if anything, somewhat more urgent – a re-jigging and realignment which allowed voters in a much larger number of electorates a conservative choice (even if not as conservative on all issues as might be desired) would be in the national interest.

  34. Crossie

    When conservative Liberals are counting numbers for a leadership ballot they’re starting 21 votes unnecessarily down – around a quarter of the number who actually vote.

    Even though I believe the Nats should have the right to vote for the PM but had that been the case the last time Barnaby would most likely have delivered most of the 21 votes to Malcolm.

  35. candy

    Spartacus not much in tune with rural folk.

    Like the people on The Project who had never heard of the word weatherboard.

  36. For all this talk about “agrarian socialists” ….some of the most sensible, practical, decent and far-sighted thinking I have heard comes from rural folk.

    In spite of the image of “whining, backward, unsophisticated cockies”…. successful rural producers these days are also incredibly computer savvy, educated in stock genetics, entrepreneurial, and amazingly resilient.

    We are bloody lucky to have these people as our importance in global food production expands. Its a pity that few people “east of the Divide” recognise this.

  37. I run a cattle place. We don’t have a blade of grass on it at present, in the second year of phenomenal drought.

    Just got 40mm in last 24 hours. In the nick of time, too, as would have to have started feeding our small herd more than just supplementary feed.

    Hope you have got the same or a lot more, Texas Jack.

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