My Quadrant review of Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life

Here are the final lines of my review of Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life.

I can do no more than encourage you to read the book. There is nothing else like it and I cannot praise it enough.

This then is how the review begins.

STEVE KATES

The Future is a Judgmental Father

12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos
by Jordan B. Peterson
Allen Lane, 2018, 448 pages, $35
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jordan petersonJordan Peterson (left) may well be the deepest, clearest voice of conservative thought in the world today. In the space of less than a year he has risen from being a relatively obscure professor of psychology at the University of Toronto to becoming perhaps the most articulate defender of the values of the West to have arisen in the last fifty years. I can think of no one in recent times who has been able to reach such depths of understanding, but with such an extraordinary ability to make plain his meaning to such large numbers of people. You should, of course, read his 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, but you should also watch as many of his online presentations as you can if you are interested in understanding, and preserving, the values of our Western civilisation.

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67 Responses to My Quadrant review of Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life

  1. Fisky

    I have just about finished reading the book. I like the themes and agree with them. But the book is too long. Peterson has a tendency to diverge wildly from the point he set out to make, and it can be quite irritating. There is one chapter, about being “precise” in what you say, where about 95% of the argument is completely irrelevant to the chapter title.

    Peterson’s basic insights are very good, but he tends to overwhelm the audience with too much irrelevancy.

  2. Louis

    If you buy the audio book version, he is the narrator. I am a big fan but I found on some of the topics he has been clearer and more concise in previous videos.

  3. mundi

    I saw him in a few interviews. In every interview the (leftist) interviewer tried to put words into his mouth, and he utterly destroyed them.

    I haven’t seen such smack downs since Kerry Packer slapped the house select committee into place.

  4. Mitch M.

    Conservatives are going to find their appropriate archetypes through which they can reify their myths to individuate themselves all the way to satori.

  5. struth

    A good soldier for the right I am sure.
    But in being right wing ourselves we are the types who don’t need a guiding messiah.
    He fights and I am very appreciative of those that do.
    He is an academic so therefore the left’s heads explode and he is given air many who are as sound in common sense and reason cannot get.
    And other academic types love somebody to follow and quote, who also of course , must be an academic.

  6. He confirms what most conservatives already known, understand and believe in, his message is one for the Left.

  7. Peter

    “Jordan Peterson, Canadian academic and scourge of the politically correct, begins his Australian tour this month.”
    Que Antifas Riots. I will put money on it.
    That’s if Turnbull and his Cabinet of wet pant LINOs (Liberals In Name Only) don’t respond by withdrawing his visa at the first sign of “resistance” as the Left calls it.

  8. Y

    Can’t recommend highly enough.

  9. areff

    Peter: the organisers of his tour can expect to be billed for police protection, as were Milo’s promoters. VicPol really resents having to take time away from raising traffic fine revenue and leaking against Cardinal Pell.

  10. the sting

    I suggest people look up STR.ORG an organisation that provides speakers similar in manner to Jordan Peterson namely Dr. Greg Koukl and Alan Schlemon, the latter recently visited Victoria. The book called Tactics written by Greg Koukl should be in everyones library . It gives clear instructions on how to deal with a discussion when you are being bombarded with shouting instead of argument using ” the Columbo tactic ” and others . Note that Alan Schlemon is coming back to Melbourne during september/october to run some seminars .

  11. Driftforge

    But in being right wing ourselves we are the types who don’t need a guiding messiah.

    Being right wing strongly predicts the possession of a ‘guiding messiah’; one will rather than one mob.

  12. johanna

    I commented on this as a subscriber at Quadrant Online. Apparently, subscribers’comments are not allowed to be seen by the hoi polloi.

    So, subscribers have the extra service of having to duplicate our comments on the website in order for them to be read by more people.

  13. I commented on this as a subscriber at Quadrant Online. Apparently, subscribers’comments are not allowed to be seen by the hoi polloi.

    Ah, so Quadrant is more or less a secret society.

  14. areff

    Johanna: comments can be read by all comers on any story taken out from behind the paywall, as is the case with Steve’s essay which now has 20 comments-and-counting. Just checked using a non-registerred (no cookies) browser.

    On a totally unrelated note: I think we just had an earthquake in Melbourne. Office windows just rattled for about 5 seconds and the cat ran into the wardrobe.

  15. Confused Old Misfit

    What worries me is the insanity that appears to infest universities.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/garrotte-jordan-b-peterson/

  16. None

    I have only now just watched that infamous channel 4 interview -not all because that interviewer had an annoying whining voive aswell as utterly rude and delusional manner. Not once did JP ask if he could finush speaking. He definitely was in clinician mode. Ha. Best bit was calling her disagreeable and her agreeing. As well as the gotcha.

  17. Confused Old Misfit

    And for Johanna, I too can confirm that the Quadrant comments are publicly available.
    I note in passing that yours did not receive universal approbation.
    Personally, I quite like the man, what he says and how he says it.
    I envy him his youth, energy and intellect.

  18. Confused Old Misfit

    On a totally unrelated note: I think we just had an earthquake in Melbourne. Office windows just rattled for about 5 seconds and the cat ran into the wardrobe.

    Are you sure you were in Melbourne? 😉
    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/03/07/earthquake-new-hampshire-hopkinton-contoocook-concord/

  19. Tim Neilson

    On a totally unrelated note: I think we just had an earthquake in Melbourne. Office windows just rattled for about 5 seconds and the cat ran into the wardrobe.

    Probably just noise and vibrations from the property developers who commence work at 7.00 each morning near my house.

  20. Stimpson J. Cat

    I envy him his youth, energy and intellect.

    That’s the drugs.

    😁

  21. Confused Old Misfit

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2655175, posted on March 8, 2018 at 11:07 am

    I’ll have what he’s on then!

  22. Quadrant comments are visible to this non-digital native.

    johanna, what does your term “cod pop psychology” mean?
    Codswallop?

  23. mh

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  24. duncanm

    bemused
    #2655046, posted on March 8, 2018 at 7:06 am
    He confirms what most conservatives already known, understand and believe in, his message is one for the Left.

    thar’s a very good point — but the problem is most on the right are not good at explaining their thoughts and rationale. Peterson is a great communicator; and it helps hugely that he is very careful with his words, which short-circuits the left’s usual gotcha tactics.

  25. Helen

    I have had a good long think about all this since I cried on the last JP thread. It was shattering, me taking tentative steps back to the church or at least more formally practising Christianity, thanks to the good Dr, to be told he isnt a Christian (as though that really mattered,) he is something else – a long list of words. I did read somewhere else, it might have been in Spectator that in that person’s opinion, JP would probably end up a Roman Catholic, which if so is interesting because it means he is sharing his journey, not just the end result. Anyway my frail baby steps were halted and I thought what is the f’ing point? I may as well throw his book away and concentrate on my Barnaby doll (which is now an awful siamese twin with the WA Nats).

    However, saying that he can’t lead people to Christiany because he is not a Christian is like saying someone cant lead people to be skeptical about Global Warming becasue they are not a Climate Scientist. Of course I may have got this comment back to front – I do have Celtic genes and tend to not be a cool head at times.

    But that aside, my position is this. I am not a learned person in these matters and to be honest the idea of changing this is not very appealing. My life skills and interests, I have to say are more direct and to do with the earth and what can be got out of it or with it’s aid. Thus I am a farmer, but in contrast, a hopeless gardener. Overall, I guess you could say I am one of the men on the street, or in the pub. An ordinary person.

    Regardless of all the adjectives people have used to describe him and if by accident or whatever (there maybe people with an equally valid message who could put ideas across better or have a more pleasant voice – I dont know) he is here and now. And trending. And, I believe still, that he will lead more ordinary Western people back to the church than away from it, that he will make it ok to be Christian, and to openly live by Christian beliefs and standards, and I believe this to be a good outcome. He and I (and the ordinary ‘we’) may well be theologically middlebrow yet it is a pathway we can understand, without being all preachy about it. I believe (and hope) he may be the catalyst for changing the tide away from decling church cngregation numbers to increasing church congregation numbers. And that will be a good outc0me. Heavens knows what is being done now has not reversed this trend.

  26. Tim Neilson

    However, saying that he can’t lead people to Christiany because he is not a Christian is like saying someone cant lead people to be skeptical about Global Warming becasue they are not a Climate Scientist.
    Correct. CS Lewis, one of the greatest of all Christian writers, credited pagan myths with having a key role in his move from atheism to belief. And his own Christian writings are very respectful of many non-Christian thinkers and traditions.

  27. duncanm

    Steve, nice review, but I think:

    And as I read the book, the relevance to the nature of a market economy was so striking and so frequently encountered that in the end I came to the conclusion that he had purposely not drawn specific attention to this inescapable overlap, which he would undoubtedly have been aware of.

    is being viewed from the prism of an economist. Other people will draw parallels to their fields of knowledge similarly, but to assume the above is a bit econo-centred.

  28. duncanm

    I interpret (*) disparaging comments like johanna’s (‘cod pop psychology’) to mean that communication to the everyman by simple and direct language is invalid.

    Somehow, philosophy and deep thought must be impenetrable, or it is invalid.

    (* – then again, I could be exhibiting ‘what you mean is ABCXYZ’)

  29. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have had a good long think about all this since I cried on the last JP thread. It was shattering, me taking tentative steps back to the church or at least more formally practising Christianity, thanks to the good Dr, to be told he isnt a Christian (as though that really mattered,) he is something else – a long list of words.

    It’s really very simple, in my opinion.
    Would you give your own eleven year old child antidepressants without a formal diagnosis from multiple qualified psychiatric professionals?
    If the answer is yes then listen to Peterson.
    If the answer is no then if you must take what you find useful from his philosophy but realize you are doing fine on your own.
    You will get out of the Church or any religious belief what you put in.
    If Christianity and the Church helps you and brings you peace, and more importantly you freely believe in it, then stick with it Helen.

  30. Faceache

    Helen, may I refer you to two sites which I stumbled across. They have brought me back to the Catholicism I all but abandoned 45 years ago. Maybe it’s due to impending death, but they are helping me see the greatness of Christianity, and Catholicism in particular, in living a sensible and fulfilling life. They are “The Catholic Thing” and “Crisis Magazine”. God bless.

  31. tgs

    Would you give your own eleven year old child antidepressants without a formal diagnosis from multiple qualified psychiatric professionals?
    If the answer is yes then listen to Peterson.
    If the answer is no then if you must take what you find useful from his philosophy but realize you are doing fine on your own.

    What kind of batshit logic is that?

    Agree you should only take from other people’s philosophies what you find useful just can’t fathom how that logic process makes sense in your head…

  32. Roger.

    It was shattering, me taking tentative steps back to the church or at least more formally practising Christianity, thanks to the good Dr, to be told he isnt a Christian (as though that really mattered

    It does matter, Helen. That’s why some of us took the trouble to alert you to it.

    Take what general wisdom is helpful from Peterson but take with a grain of salt what he says about the Bible.

    For an intro to Christianity find a good priest or minister.

  33. notafan

    Good advice Roger

    I think JP is terrific in his general advise but for theology look elsewhere

    And Faceache is right there are many wonderful Christian resources out there.

    Patrick Madrid, Scott Hahn, First Things, Dover Beach’s web site

  34. Roger.

    Helen,

    Two railway tracks side by side can initially appear to be going in the same direction, but by diverging ever so slightly at first they ultimately end up at different destinations! We just don’t want you to end up at the wrong destination!

    If you are Catholic, as seems to be the case, the sites mentioned by Faceache and First Things mentioned by nota will surely help you out.

  35. notafan

    Though the quality varies most parishes run obligation free RCIA programs, another option.

    I was thinking of my last Mass in Paris as there were two men presented who are going to be baptized at Easter.

    Lovely to see, it was.

  36. Roger.

    Though the quality varies most parishes run obligation free RCIA programs, another option.

    Yes, and it would link Helen in with the local Catholic community, hopefully with a good priest!

  37. notafan

    And there is a closed group on Facebook called Catholic Answers iirc, it’s primarily prayer intentions
    but I notice they field a lot of questions from both people in the process of converting and people in the process of
    returning to the church.

    Very generous group.

  38. Stimpson J. Cat

    What kind of batshit logic is that?

    Why it’s what he did to his own child of course.
    That kind of batshit logic.
    I wouldn’t do it to my child but I am mentally ill, what do I know?

  39. Mitch M.

    That kind of batshit logic.

    Peterson wants us to build a culture based on the psychology of lobsters.
    Read Robert Sapolsky, a man with so many awards and professorships he needs a page to list them all. Many years ago he with others wrote what I consider the most outstanding model of human stress responses. He can teach us much more about human behavior than Peterson and he does it empirically whereas Peterson is playing Mr. Guru.

  40. Steve trickler.

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2655318, posted on March 8, 2018 at 2:35 pm
    I have had a good long think about all this since I cried on the last JP thread. It was shattering, me taking tentative steps back to the church or at least more formally practising Christianity, thanks to the good Dr, to be told he isnt a Christian (as though that really mattered,) he is something else – a long list of words.

    It’s really very simple, in my opinion.
    Would you give your own eleven year old child antidepressants without a formal diagnosis from multiple qualified psychiatric professionals?
    If the answer is yes then listen to Peterson.
    If the answer is no then if you must take what you find useful from his philosophy but realize you are doing fine on your own.

    You will get out of the Church or any religious belief what you put in.
    If Christianity and the Church helps you and brings you peace, and more importantly you freely believe in it, then stick with it Helen.

    ——-

    Provide some context, Stimpy.

    You left out her auto immune disease, rheumatoid arthritis, and the major bone operations… hips rooted at 16 years of age. Sounds like a rough life for the girl from 8 years onward. Huge family drama.

    “Would you give your own eleven year old child antidepressants without a formal diagnosis from multiple qualified psychiatric professionals?”

    Link. Context. Post it so all can judge.

    Peterson also offered her $50 bucks, at eight years of age, to inject herself with immune therapy drugs. She accepted the challenge. Sticking a needle into your arm at the age of 8? Put up your hands.

    On the mend i hear.



  41. Confused Old Misfit

    Peterson’s daughter suffered for over two years with a debilitating condition that was inadequately diagnosed. “Free” Canadian medical treatment is not really free. He tried everything that was available at the time. That is not “batshit logic” as anyone who has had a sick child will tell you.
    To say that it is reveals an appalling ignorance of the human condition.
    Sapalosky may have said the same things in a way that is more palatable to some (notwithstanding his many awards and professorships that he needs a page on which to list them). Nevertheless Peterson is saying those things NOW. And, if memory serves, I believe Dr. Peterson has some practical experience.

  42. Confused Old Misfit

    Steve trickler.
    #2655600, posted on March 8, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    Thanks Steve. Hadn’t heard that interview.

  43. Steve trickler.

    Stimp makes a point based on the video at 22:50.

    Clearly he made the right call. His family history is sobering. Geez!

    Why the fuss?

  44. Stimpson J. Cat

    Clearly he made the right call. His family history is sobering.

    Ah but she no longer takes antidepressants.
    What’s changed?
    Surely it’s a lifelong serious condition that runs in the family.
    Funnily enough she herself got rid of her depression simply by changing her diet.
    Amazing yes?

  45. Tom

    Helen
    #2655269, posted on March 8, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    Everyone is on his/her own journey, Helen. I love your down-to-earth wisdom (partly because I am a farm boy myself) and read everything you write here. Like you, I find myself struggling back to the truth of Christianity after almost a lifetime of rebellion against it.

    I also rate Peterson because of his straight talking and intelligent analysis, but also because of his courage in the face of the zombie shitstorm of leftism which is destroying the family.

    I posted this excellent segment earlier today: Jordan Peterson on Tucker Carlson’s series, Men in America (starts at 26m35s), broadcast at lunchtime today (AEDT).

  46. Steve trickler.

    Cheers Stimps. Good link from 2012.

    A family going through a battle and decisions were made, and solutions found overtime.

    The Peterson family, like many others no doubt, got put through the emotional squeeze dryer.

    Rough as guts.

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    Rough as guts.

    I’m sorry, but I really don’t like or condone the idea of putting children on drugs whose full interactions we don’t fully understand yet, especially for conditions that may be treated in far simpler less invasive ways, like change of diet, or CBT.
    And yes, I have a lot of experience with a lot of these drugs.

  48. tgs

    I wasn’t aware of that family history, in restrospect my comment was a bit disrespectful and I withdraw it unreservedly.

    While some may disagree with the choices he made (I won’t pass judgement as I’ve never been in such a tough situation) I’m not sure it detracts from the messages he has been broadcasting which I think are better critiqued on their merits.

  49. Stimpson J. Cat

    While some may disagree with the choices he made (I won’t pass judgement as I’ve never been in such a tough situation) I’m not sure it detracts from the messages he has been broadcasting which I think are better critiqued on their merits.

    His messages overall are ok, and a net positive, especially in the current climate.
    But he is not infallible, and neither are his ideas.
    He is not immune to criticism or questioning simply because he is one the few in his position articulating ideas from a centre right point of view.

  50. one old bruce

    Funny how the great psychologist seems to avoid the role of Freud in the destruction of western culture. People now talk about their ‘sexuality’ the way they used to talk about their ‘souls’, and have profound spiritual conversions with visions of their ‘true’ sexuality.

    Who convinced women that they were sexually repressed? Freud was the first person to use the concept which is now universally accepted – without any unambiguous scientific proof. Psychologists flip flop with changing fashions. People’s ‘sexuality’ and other psychological concepts seem to be choices and lifestyles rather than scientific facts. Freud’s ideas are the acid, applied to liberal individualism, and modern moral chaos will result. No need of any other factor.

  51. one old bruce

    The greatest Catholic preacher of the 1950s was Fulton Sheen, used to be regular on early TV. He was a professor as well as a bishop. I picked up one of his more scholarly books and was amazed at how he used Freud’s repression as an accepted tool of analysis. They used it study Hitler. The Frankfurt School’s main innovation was to add Freud to Marx.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudo-Marxism

    But everyone in the West was taking up Freud. What they call ‘cultural Marxism’ is mostly just Freud.

    What if there are no individual sexualities? Where would Feminism be then?

  52. one old bruce

    Classical liberalism is based on the inviolable sanctity of the individual. Equality is honour and respect between individuals. Once you start psychologising individuals, violating their privacy and honour, classical liberalism becomes untenable.

    The Frankfurt School turned this psychologising into complex arguments. But their main arguments were already stated by Allied strategists in WWII in their attempts to get inside Nazi heads. It all started in the War, and before that when Americans decided to take up Freud en masse, because ‘freedom’.

  53. Goanna

    Freud, Marx and Merkel.

    Steer clear of the Germans.

  54. Helen

    Good advice Goanna, even though I am about a quater german by descent, and all the pastoral advice offered from people who have thought about this a lot, up stairs. I thank you all that you answered honestly and thoughtfully, that means a lot.

    As for my background, correspondence and school of the air, state school and Uniting Church boarding house, Catholic school and boarding house, Anglican school, Anglican mother Catholic father. I am nothing – never confirmed anywhwere, and honestly not sure where I will end up. Since all this terrorist stuff came about I have worn a St Birdgids Cross, which appeals to me, being a marriage of church and pagan, goddess of cows and the hearth fire and my celtic roots.

    The local Catholic Priest is lovely – Vietnamese, I met him recently, there is quite a strong community. The local Anglican Priest is a ditherer, simple mistakes made which have to be hinted at correction by the incredibally warm Deakoness, last time I was there. I had no desire to go back.

    But my journey must be a distant one, because I am too far away from them to attend, and I am not sure I want to. I do find much peace when in such places alone, though. And the flying/driving people dont cut it either. That is ok, though, I can make my own way.

    But first, I must come to terms with death. I remember going to visit a great aunt who was a concert pianist and beautiful in her youth. As she tottered out with us to take afternoon tea in the garden, she lamented Óh once I could run’ I know it comes to us all and surrounds us, and our experiences of it change as we grow older from sympathy and the idea it is a long way away – it doesnt really touch us deeply to something profound and consuming, as each generation passes and our date inevitably comes closer. I check Captain is breathing every morning, I dread that one day he will not be. I think about what I will do, how I will handle it, who will I ring and when. Will I just lay beside him holding him trying to keep the failing warmth in his body with the heat of mine? It would be much easier and very cowardly for me to go first. But I have walked down this path before – it leads no-where there is joy or sunshine. Such is the life of depressives, you can chain him up, and lock him in his kennel, but he is always on the lookout for escape. I have named my enemy. And now I must face him.

    So my purpose is to come to terms with this obsession, so as to be content in my many remaining years, where ever I am, and whom ever has gone or is still there. It will likely involve God, it will be interesting. It is funny how if you are open to messages you do receive them, I think JP as a midbrow intellectual so far as religion is concerned (vs me – a defintite low brow on reflection 🙂 ) has come into my life at the right time. Where I will go to after him, who knows, another door will open and will walk through it willingly or not. I think I would like to end up with God as a partner, rather than a substitute parent, that means I have to do a lot of exploring and growing.

    Thankyou all, I will book mark this page.

  55. Would you give your own eleven year old child antidepressants without a formal diagnosis from multiple qualified psychiatric professionals?

    In hindsight, yes.

    Psychs are people trying to figure out their own mental issues, generally speaking.

    The hurdles they throw up (pun intended) to avoid treating my daughter properly are bordering on criminal.

    I will get there, and all will be good, but they are not facilitators, they are hurdles, and I judge JP’s judgement to be more sound than your average psych.

  56. One more thing.

    The right is right to question its own. Indeed, it is a strength.

    However, the right destroy their own the same way the left destroy the right.

    The target, isolate, vilify and destroy.

    JP is not a saviour. He is an asset. Why do we seek to destroy our assets? The real evil resides with the Left. It is the devil, real or metaphorical, which exploits our innate sense of justice to stir hatred against chosen enemies, which are in reality threats to their insatiable lust for power.

    So why do we help the left in their quest to utterly destroy JP and all that is good about him? It is insane, and if it succeeds, fewer will dare try and take on the left. For this reason I gather by his side in his defence against enemies from all sides.

  57. His messages overall are ok, and a net positive, especially in the current climate.
    But he is not infallible, and neither are his ideas.
    He is not immune to criticism or questioning simply because he is one the few in his position articulating ideas from a centre right point of view.

    Then why the obsession with tearing him down?

    I think I understand why you’re crazy now, Stimps. You’re a fucking psychiatrist, aren’t you! 🤪

  58. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have named my enemy. And now I must face him.

    You literally have no choice.
    We all face it.
    So there is no time to waste worrying about when it will happen, or how.
    There is only time to waste having fun with loved ones, and reading Catallaxy.
    And everything as far as anyone knows for certain, is much more fun while you are alive.
    Also I would miss you Helen so stay strong.

    Always remember, if Jesus could take an unbaptized thief to Heaven, anyone who confesses, repents and wishes to go is probably welcome.

  59. LBLoveday

    Tried to buy the e-book, went through all the requirements, name, address, CC details, and then was informed I could not buy because of where I lived!

  60. Stimpson J. Cat

    Then why the obsession with tearing him down?
    I think I understand why you’re crazy now, Stimps. You’re a fucking psychiatrist, aren’t you! 🤪

    Of course not.
    I would never want that amount of responsibility over someone’s life.
    You would have to be crazy.
    Alas I get triggered as f$ck when people assume that mental illnesses are simple chemical imbalances that can be fixed by simply taking some drugs that we don’t fully understand.
    The truth is that serious mental illness is not simple, and living with it successfully is long hard work potentially for life.
    There are no easy fixes, and if kids are going to get through it they need to learn multiple strategies of dealing with their conditions, because sooner or later the drugs may stop working, or not be as effective and then what happens?
    Well, we all know that don’t we?
    They need to be the absolute last resort and only used to when absolutely necessary, in my opinion.

  61. xbones

    Roger.
    #2655497
    Having read 12 Rules for Life, I found Peterson’s explanation of biblical themes and scripture made far more sense to me and to be understandable and applicable than any explanation by any minister or priest that I ever heard.

  62. Ellen of Tasmania

    The truth is that serious mental illness is not simple, and living with it successfully is long hard work potentially for life.

    There are a lot of illnesses out there that are not simple and, more to the point, are little understood by the medical profession at present. A lot of ‘autoimmune’ problems fall into that category.

    We have to live in the time we live in, with the knowledge and resources we have available. If we had our time over again, we might do things differently, but that’s usually because of what we have learned in the meantime.

    Parents/people do the best they can with the information they have available to them at the time. Be gentle where you tread, Stimpy. My own observations suggest that our society has very little sympathy when dealing with chronic illness – you’re either expected to get better, or die.

    Credit to Peterson and his family for sticking together and working through an obviously difficult time. That’s family at its best.

  63. Ellen of Tasmania

    But he is not infallible, and neither are his ideas.

    He certainly doesn’t seem to consider himself infallible.

    The following is an interview with his daughter and him:

  64. Linden

    Well Helen I think his interview on 3AW with Mitchell this morning would have stirred many, ‘great to hear something like this for once’!

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    Credit to Peterson and his family for sticking together and working through an obviously difficult time. That’s family at its best.

    That is exactly what John Howard said about family and he was howled down by the parasitic class and the vacuous harpies who see the State as the ‘family’. When in fact the State is now a malevolent force created by the vicious chimeras who are part of that malicious force or who support that malicious force acting either deliberately and consciously or are ideologically driven dupes. They all work against the good of society

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