The Art of the Impossible Round 2

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Who knows where this will end, but it’s better than how it’s been so far. Meanwhile, the Saudis are talking to the Israelis. And if you think that’s beyond belief, what about this:

CNN, MSNBC Journalists Give Trump Glowing Praise for NKorea Move...

 

And there’s this as well.

 

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72 Responses to The Art of the Impossible Round 2

  1. C.L.

    A clearly humiliated Sydney Morning Herald refusing to main-page epochal Trump/Kim meet.

    Only one article on site – an opinion piece, of course, by its far left-wing “China correspondent” Kirsty Needham:

    Trump too inexperienced to negotiate with ‘cunning’ Kim.

    First commenter there demolishes Needham:

    President Trump is a 69 year old billionaire who has negotiated many many important deals. Kim is a young leader of a dynastic dictatorship – I know who i will be putting my money on for a better negotiated outcome.

  2. max

    korean problems are for korean people to solve.

  3. max

    Now, for the first time, the unthinkable was thinkable: an alliance between Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United States that focussed its sights on Iran.”

    At first, the Americans couldn’t believe it. The Israelis were pressuring the Clinton administration to see Iran as the greatest global threat. Only a short time earlier, Israel was cooperating with Iran militarily and selling them weapons. The Israelis were Iran’s best lobbyists in Washington, pushing the Reagan administration to talk to Iran, to sell arms to Iran and even to ignore Iran’s tough talk on Israel. Now they were asking the States to find Iran lurking behind every terrorist attack, every conflict and every threat. They were asking the U.S. to see Iran as the greatest threat in the world.

    Israel had sided with Iran over Iraq. Its relationship with Iran – contrary to accepted history – did not end with the 1979 Islamic revolution. The relationship continued in secret for many years.

    https://original.antiwar.com/ted_snider/2017/11/29/us-bows-israeli-saudi-alliance-blaming-iran/

  4. Baldrick

    korean problems are for korean people to solve.

    A nuclear armed North Korea being run by a Communist dictator threatening a nuclear attack is a bit more involved for the South Koreans to tackle themselves, don’t you think?

  5. max

    India, Pakistan and Israel all have built nuclear arsenals. South Korea was on the way to producing nuclear weapons until forced to abandon the secret project by the United States. Japan is estimated to be able to assemble a nuclear device in only 90 days.

    North Korea keeps asking the US to sign a non-aggression pact in which Washington pledges not to attack the North. The North’s modest nuclear program was created to deter a US attack by threatening a counter-strike on US bases in South Korea, Japan and Okinawa.

    Washington has long refused such a non-aggression pact. Instead, it has ringed North Korea with military forces and imposed a punishing trade embargo that has played a major role in keeping the North in dire poverty. Call the North an Asian Cuba.

    The US says North Korea’s regime is a brutal, illegitimate despotism with which it will only deal with the greatest reluctance and disgust.
    Yet the US supports many nasty dictatorships around the globe, such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Ethiopia. Brutal police state Egypt remains a key US client. If the US really wants to end North Korea’s nuclear program, the solution is to sign a non-aggression pact and gradually end US trade sanctions.
    Both the US and South Korea should end their frequent, provocative military war games on North Korea’s borders. Such posturing led to last year’s military clashes and more paranoia in Pyongyang.

    Eric Margolis

  6. Baldrick

    max, do you think 9/11 was an inside job using Israeli agents?

  7. sdfc

    Good point Baldrick. The US is also pretty keen on the Saudis.

  8. struth

    We do get some max types here from time to time.

  9. mareeS

    Things are confused at present, as Yeats bleakly wrote in The Second Coming, and TS Elliott in his post-WW1 maunderings. Things are nowhere near the past, because we are already in the future from way back then.

    Only people who have good knowledge of the past can see a bit of the way to the future, and it seems that Trump may be such a person.

    MT and the Australian political toddlers don’t seem to have any such spine.

  10. Crossie

    Let’s see what has changed in the last few weeks? Trump announced steel and aluminium tariffs exempting Canada and Mexico, and a few later days maybe even Australia.

    Who has a massive steel and aluminium industry and exports to protect? China.
    Who is the main mentor and supplier of North Korea? China?

    I would guess Emperor Xi advised Whoa! Fats to stop being stupid or he will be on his own.

  11. Cassie of Sydney

    So Max, are you naive or just dumb? I can forgive dumb.

  12. Farmer Gez

    Max is a North Korean plant.
    Eating grass makes you crazy.

  13. duncanm

    Eric Margolis

    he’s almost like an American, male Marilyn. Except he can string words together in a cogent fashion.

  14. Chris M

    North Korea is China’s rottweiler. They claim not to own or control but keep feeding it.

    This is about the Chicoms mostly.

  15. Tel

    The Saudis and the Israelis have a common enemy in Iran, and that’s highly motivational in terms of cooperation. That doesn’t mean they like each other.

    That said, the new Saudi regime is slightly further from the Iron Age.

  16. John Comnenus

    Trump does what Liberals here wont do – not slavishly take the advise of the morons who’s advice created the mess in the first place. He goes for something different and isn’t afraid to pile on the pressure to get leverage. Just like Reagan did to the USSR, and we all remember how the media and pundits said Reagan was a dangerous lunatic.

    Importantly North Korea is stopping all research and development until the meeting. North Korea is reportedly the R&D facility for Iran. So any denuclearisation might ease tensions in the Middle East as well. At least Trump has got the brains and balls to try something different that uses his national strengths.

    And now all the people who said Trump’s approach will cause a nuclear war or not work are now saying he will be outplayed by Kim or isn’t smart enough to be ready for the negotiation. Stunning!

  17. max

    in 1900 United Kingdom was top 3 richest countries in the world.

    well you follow bad leaders and bad ideas and advice and you start getting poorer.

    rank 16 $42,360 US dollars
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GNI_(nominal,_Atlas_method)_per_capita.

    many people in australia believe this:

    government is here to help me

    politicians are honest and working for me

    Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.

    I am free person not slave

  18. Anne

    Trump is amazing!

    CIA strings cut!

    He got the Deep State out of North Korea.

    Now he can talk to impotent, flattop, fat boy. 🤗

  19. max

    Ronald Reagan was amazing too
    and average american was better off before him than now.

  20. Anne

    Poppy Bush was supposed to replace Reagan early.

    After the unsuccessful assassination attempt by an MK Ultra mind slave Reagan played the game; did not try to usurp the SERCO, CIA executive supervision system or touch the Fed.

  21. Cassie of Sydney

    Actually, Max is a moron.

  22. duncanm

    Ronald Reagan was amazing too
    and average american was better off before him than now.

    how about the average East German ?

  23. Sean

    It may be a waste of time but at least they will talk face to face rather than trade jibes through the media like the last 20 years or so.

  24. Sean

    Good to see journalists with zero (0) negotiating experience telling everyone from a far how they ‘know’ things will go down.

    The left are still barracking against their country, they can’t help it, and they wonder why middle America turned on them.

  25. max

    Cassie of Sydney –I love you too, is that best you can do? no any education?

    duncanm say:
    “how about the average East German ?”

    1) not american or australian problem
    2) paying for their politicians crimes ww1,ww2

  26. Frank

    Max, Largactyl is your friend. Quickly.

  27. Roger.

    …epochal Trump/Kim meet.

    It will only be epochal if it results in NK’s nuclear disarmament and reintegration into the international community. Otherwise it’s just a grand photo op for both leaders in which Trump does what previous presidents have refused to do, viz. grant Kim legitimacy as a world leader by meeting with him. Wouldn’t it have been better to have the meeting at the end of a dialogue in which the US obtained what it wanted in unconditional terms, as a reward? I hope Trump succeeds in disarming NK’s nukes, but so far Kim is the winner because he can tick off two items from his ageanda: a meeting with the US president from which he will almost certainly come away with his regime’s power cemented in place.

  28. You all experienced this.
    Adults are in a serious discussion, then a child comes into the room and does or says something that makes everyone laugh. Everybody relaxes.

    Thanx Max, a laugh now and then is good.

  29. Arky

    grant Kim legitimacy as a world leader by meeting with him.

    ..
    Roger, what does that even mean?
    And even if it was a thing, what would it change?
    It is a hollow corny line with no reality behind it.
    Who came up with it in the first place? One of the administrations who oversaw the events that lead to our present situation?

  30. There are some amazing things happening in the ME that just a few years ago would have been unthinkable.
    Look at this picture (hope link works). That’s the Saudi crown Prince (he is the bloke in charge, not his dad).

    https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/saudi-crown-prince-on-landmark-visit-to-cairo-cathedral.jpg

    No Saudi would have appeared under such iconic Christian symbols.
    Remember how statues and pictures used to be covered with sheets when the Saudis visited a place?

    Amazing co-operation happening under the radar between the Saudis (GCC), Israel, Jordan and Egypt.
    Yemeni war is all but done, ISIS is all but done, Syrian civil war, all but done.
    Peace is about to break out in the ME. 2018 will be an amazing year for ME affairs.

    What excuses will they come up with to NOT give Trump a diamond encrusted gold Nobel Medal?

  31. C.L.

    No “legitimacy” is conferred on Kim by meeting him. It’s actually very dangerous for Pyongyang to try and trick Trump. Once a confab has been held, the international community will green-light any aggressive actions the US may subsequently take against the regime. ‘We tried,’ etc.

  32. Iampeter

    You wouldn’t think it possible to be so bad at foreign policy that you end up legitimizing and buying even more time for the Kim regime but in steps the Trump administration to prove otherwise.

    Art of the impossible indeed!

  33. Roger.
    #2656800, posted on March 10, 2018 at 10:58 am

    …epochal Trump/Kim meet.

    It will only be epochal if it results in NK’s nuclear disarmament and reintegration into the international community. Otherwise it’s just a grand photo op for both leaders in which Trump does what previous presidents have refused to do, viz. grant Kim legitimacy as a world leader by meeting with him.

    Trump and Kim have already met. Yes, they’ve met.
    Remember when Trump visited Beijing, he was invited into the forbidden city BUT NO ONE ELSE, NOT JOURNOS, NOT EVEN SOME AIDES WERE ALLOWED IN?
    The initial meeting took place there. The idea to have the two Koreas compete together in the Olympics was hatched at that meeting.

    Some idiot journos are saying Trump doesn’t have time to prepare for a meeting with Kim in May. Journos would have to be some of the most ignorant, low information fools in this World.

  34. Texas Jack

    Ain’t it amazing what a President can achieve by ignoring the bleating instructions of the editorial board of the New York Times?

    Whatever, I’d hold the phone on North Korea. Firstly, Google “North Korea” and check out the convenient news links. Everything from “Trump isn’t the first President to get an invite” (CNN as entree), to “Trump’s bold move on North Korea dissolves into confusion” (Politico). They’re at it already. It didn’t take long eh? Just another sideshow for know-it-all Leftists to show their commitment to their cause. And the risk is, the prospect of some lasting detente with Supreme Leader is probably a big fat zeroburger from the makers of nothingburgers. Can anyone imagine the US doing a deal that sees 22 million non-members of the Workers’ Party of Korea rolled into $1,800 per capita slavery in perpetuity to save the useless arses of the 3 million who are members? I can’t, and I hope Trump doesn’t do one deal too many.

  35. Dan Dare

    I very much doubt it will be a “Peace in our time” type meeting.

  36. Roger.

    Roger, what does that even mean?

    “Optics” matter a lot in diplomacy, Arky.

    Public meetings between world leaders send strong signals and a meeting with the US president is a coveted thing which bestows standing on those who are granted it.

    Can you imagine Trump meeting Ali Khamenei, for instance? Of course not. It would be tantamount to granting the Iranian regime legitimacy.

  37. Gary

    Kim Jong-un’s has lived in a gilded cage all his life being
    Fed only positive news about his country. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think his handlers will let this meting happen.

  38. John Smith101

    Iran next, Roger. Dig deeper, much deeper. Baa Humbug and Anne are on to it, plus some others here. The unification deal is already done – the rest is for show. Deep state was deeply entrenched in North Korea; all connections now cut.

    Saudi, tick.
    North Korea, tick.
    Iran next, now that certain financial links have been cut. Progress well advanced. This is not about giving legitimacy to regimes, this is releasing people from tyranny. Join the dots.

    The winners here are ‘the people’; the losers are the MSM and fabulists like Max, er Eric.

  39. Regarding the jobs news…

    Economists surveyed by Reuters had previously predicted payroll growth of 200,000. The result of 313,000 stunned prior economic pontificators, and is 56% higher than expected.

    Economists. Has there been a more inept bunch of “experts” in the modern World?
    Predictions out by a whopping 56%, even with data on hand and predictions for only a month ahead, these fvckwits get it wrong by 56% and we’re supposed to listen to and adhere by their pontifications about trade and jobs. Riigght.

    In addition to the stunning job growth in February, previous months’ counts were revised much higher: December was revised upward from 160,000 to 175,000 (+9.38%); January saw a massive boost from 200,000 to 239,000 (+19.5%). The three-month average is now 242,000.

    Even data that’s in doesn’t help them get the numbers right. Adjustments of 9% and 19% are not rounding errors, they are glaring errors.

    I used to think first kill all the lawyers. Now I think kill all the professors starting with humanities and economists. Use the lawyers to get us off the murder charges, then kill the lawyers. 🙂

  40. John Comnenus

    Turnbull has done everything he could to embarrass Trump, now we are trying to get an exemption to the Steel and Aluminium tarrifs. See Trump’s tweet about negotiating with Australia. You can’t make up how bad and s governments response to Trump has been. And whilst we listen to the advice of Parkinson and Others Trump is ripping up the rule book and creating wealth and reigning in the malignant forces that were given free reign under the failed Obama policies.

  41. John Smith101
    #2656884, posted on March 10, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    Iran next, Roger.

    It’s happening in Iran already.
    Those protests, largely by women and the young, were a test to see who the regular Iran Army would support.
    Iran is now divided into two camps. The Mullahs and the IRGC with some support from men on one side, and the people (almost every woman, all the young people and most of the men) with support from the regular army.

    The protests were to test how the regular army would react. They took the side of the people.
    We will see seismic shifts in Iran by the end of the year.

  42. struth

    Economists. Has there been a more inept bunch of “experts” in the modern World?
    Predictions out by a whopping 56%, even with data on hand and predictions for only a month ahead, these fvckwits get it wrong by 56% and we’re supposed to listen to and adhere by their pontifications about trade and jobs. Riigght.

    Economists are just political hacks that want their political opinion to count for more than others.
    (You know, the knee jerk , populist, great unwashed).

    If surgery and medicine were as vague and unsettled as economics, you’d shoot yourself before going to the doctors.

  43. Dr Fred Lenin

    Trump not clever enough for fat boy talks ,Trump is in the building industry ,negotiating with union leaders ,tough realtors and the toughest bankers in the the world in New York, not like some shifty former lawtradespersons turned politician negotiating a bribe like Obama’s $30 million “book deal” or giliards gift of our money to the clinton gang . He will run rings atround the fat boy wonder.
    By the way over three million jobs created since he became president shows what happens when you remove the Dead Hand of gangrene u.n. scommunism . 3 million Americans now have a job despite the “workers party “ not being in power ,bet unemployment is higher in California and the other left ruled states. The peoples decromatic communist republic of California is heade for serious trouble if the left keep up their defiance of US law ,be good to see brown and his commo mates in a tough jail for years ,that would knock the u.n.commo shit out of them.

  44. max

    salvation by government and politicians

    “DONALD TRUMP AS KING ARTHUR

    Trump gave a good inaugural address, a lot better than most. But he began to retreat from that address within days of having delivered it.

    Trump’s candidacy was fake news. He coined the phrase, and it truly applied to everything he promised. It was all fake from day one. The man is a deal-doer. Deal-doers have no principles. They just do deals. They compromise. They lie. They over-promise. They deceive. They profit by putting lipstick on pigs. They do whatever it takes to get the deal done. He campaigned as a deal-doer. I believed him. That’s why I did not vote for him. I voted for Gary Johnson. I did not want to be sullied retroactively in my own mind by the sellouts that were inevitable.

    The problem we are facing is this: Trump always got out of bad deals by declaring bankruptcy of the corporation in which he was the driving force. He raised money by means of his name, but when the deal went south, he bailed out. Here is the problem: you can’t declare bankruptcy on a presidency easily. Richard Nixon did, but Trump does not want to be remembered the way Nixon is remembered.

    He is not going to declare bankruptcy on his presidency. I realize there are people who predict this, but I think it’s ridiculous. His presidency is not a corporation. He is, in the language of business, the sole proprietor. He is going to attempt to cobble together his presidential legacy by a series of deals. That’s why he keeps talking about renegotiating all the things that, during the campaign, he promised were nonnegotiable. For a deal-doer, nothing is nonnegotiable.”
    Gary North

  45. thefrollickingmole

    Theres a thousand journos and politicos wandering around Washington with faces like cats bums.

    The best they can manage is this

    A Trump ‘deal’ with Kim Jong-un would only help a despicable regime survive
    Jasper Becker
    North Korea has dodged pacts before. This could just be a fresh round of advancing, pausing for the bribes, then going nuclear

    Anyone recall seeing a similar criticism of the god-emperor Obamas deal with the Iranians in mainstream media??

  46. Fisky

    So long as Trump doesn’t relax any sanctions prior to the meeting, he loses absolutely nothing by going 1-1 with Rocketman. Of course, if Obama were doing the meeting he would already have abandoned most sanctions as a “sweetener” before Kim agrees to anything – i.e. exactly as he did with Iran. Liberals are such pathetic negotiators, they really embarrass themselves!

  47. struth

    Max, you haven’t quite sorted everything out yet, politically.

    You could go one way or the other.
    Calm down, take a deep breath, your enthusiasm is noted.

    Your inconsistency and lack of logic at the moment is also noted.
    That is why you are mocked.
    You’re all over the place, like a shit carter’s breakfast.

  48. Fisky

    Economists. Has there been a more inept bunch of “experts” in the modern World?
    Predictions out by a whopping 56%, even with data on hand and predictions for only a month ahead, these fvckwits get it wrong by 56% and we’re supposed to listen to and adhere by their pontifications about trade and jobs

    Oh, “economists” are just the end. My favourite “economic” “projection” of all time is this one

    If borders were open
    A world of free movement would be $78 trillion richer

    lol

  49. struth

    It’s only western borders they are talking about there, so let’s start with the rest of the world’s borders and see how they go, maybe Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, Ooinshitholistan’, North Korea, Greater Pluckaduk, wherever.
    Let’s do a good turn and be great global citizens.
    Let’s give our many hundreds of thousands of immigrants this year, to Venezuela.
    If just importing people is all you need to do to grow an economy, let’s give them to Venezuela.
    All there economic woes will be immediately solved.

  50. max

    The Most Pyrrhic Victory in Modern History?
    Clearly it was Britain over Germany in WWI and then in WWII. Britain was rendered bankrupt by these wars from an already precarious position, and lost its possessions in India and elsewhere shortly after.

    Bad political and economical ideas will have bad consequences

    chickens come home to roost

    empire building
    fiat money
    wars
    protectionism

    all lead to poor house

  51. max

    If borders were closed no Anglo-Saxon people in australia and america.

    what a fuc racist man –no like white people in america and australia — lucky those idio did not close doors and left them open for you.

  52. Rob MW

    chickens come home to roost

    That would be designer birds for silicon valley, extinct table birds for North Korea and sexy conservative Trumpian birds that Rocket-man can imagine rooting (once he puts his eyes back in there sockets). The art of the deal mate, the roost rocks !!

  53. thefrollickingmole
    #2656931, posted on March 10, 2018 at 1:23 pm

    Theres a thousand journos and politicos wandering around Washington with faces like cats bums.

    These are the same journos fawning over Un’s sister at the Olympics. Claiming she stole the show and how rude Pence was to her yada yada yada.
    Now that Trump will openly meet with Un, these journos have changed their tune (surprise surprise).

    America hating, Western culture hating scumbags. Filter everything they say through that lens and everything makes sense.

  54. Max says…

    Trump’s candidacy was fake news. He coined the phrase, and it truly applied to everything he promised. It was all fake from day one. The man is a deal-doer. Deal-doers have no principles. They just do deals. They compromise. They lie. They over-promise. They deceive. They profit by putting lipstick on pigs. They do whatever it takes to get the deal done.

    You have no idea how Trump negotiates. You’re describing crooks and shysters, not deal makers.
    Trump’s deal philosophy is based on win win. Read his book ‘The Art of the Deal’, learn something about the man before wasting pixels.

  55. struth

    See what you libertarians produce?

    Look at this mucked up lunatic.

    By that I mean the serious out there libertarians who believe in open borders and immigration is immediate wealth, and that we should just put a price on migration types.

    Not just the libertarians who believe in small responsible representative government controlled by the people, and low taxation and interference etc, like every right winger.

  56. Jannie

    Chris M
    #2656693, posted on March 10, 2018 at 8:44 am

    North Korea is China’s rottweiler. They claim not to own or control but keep feeding it.

    True. But the dog creates more sleepless nights in China than anywhere else, the barking all night is louder in China than North America. If the dog is let slip and a neighbour gets bitten, China will have to deal with the dog catchers.

  57. max

    I am a conservative.

    I am a conservative by way of three phenomena that have linked together American conservatives since about 1920: (1) anti-Communism; (2) free market economics; (3) conservative social theory.

    I regard the most important world figure of the 20th century as Vladimir Lenin. Had it not been for the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand in 1914, there would not have been World War I. Had there not been World War I, the German government would not have shipped Lenin by train back to Russia in 1917. Had Lenin not been successful in his revolution in October, he would never have come to power. That would have meant that Adolf Hitler would never have come to power, for Lenin and the Communists provided the model for Hitler’s revolution.

    Let us not forget this rarely mentioned fact: of all the 19th-century social revolutionaries, only one man ever came to power by means of a revolution he personally designed, and then maintained power long enough to implement it. That man was Lenin.

    Free-market economics has been with us ever since the Spanish school of Salamanca in the early 16th century. It has been improved on repeatedly, culminating in the Austrian school of economics. We date the Austrian school of economics with the book by Carl Menger, Principles of Economics, which was published in 1871. The modern formulation of it came in a series of books by Ludwig von Mises, beginning in 1912.

    There was also a British school of economics that was free market, which we obviously date with Adam Smith in 1776, although David Hume’s anti-mercantile essays on free trade in 1752 came earlier. Smith’s tradition was extended over the next 114 years, culminating with the classic textbook by Alfred Marshall in 1890. In between was William Stanley Jevons, who died young, who was one of three men who developed what we call the marginal or subjective school of economics in the early 1870’s. Menger was one of them. The third was an economist in Switzerland, Leon Walras. Walras’ mathematical approach has grown in influence in academia. It is incoherent both methodologically and operationally. It cannot deal with two crucial facts: man’s lack of omniscience and historical change.

    Then there is the political legacy of Edmund Burke. He was a follower of Adam Smith, and Adam Smith was a follower of Burke. Burke believed in slow, evolutionary social and political change. He was a social evolutionist, as was Smith. He opposed centralized political revolution as a way to increase liberty. His classic book, published in late 1790, was critical of the French Revolution. It became the rallying exposition of the conservative position in Western Europe from that time on. He did not believe in great theoretical systems. He complemented Adam Smith, who devised the dominant theoretical defense of free market economics. It was a strange alliance.

    The enemy of free market economics is obviously socialism and communism in general, but also the statist extension of mercantilism that is represented in the United States by Alexander Hamilton, Henry Clay, Abraham Lincoln, both of the Roosevelts, and the followers of John Maynard Keynes. In other words, the mixed economy is the other enemy. It is the dominant enemy today.

    https://www.garynorth.com/public/14821.cfm

  58. Crazyoldranga

    I’m often stunned, but shouldn’t be, that so many people in a comments section know so much more and are so much smarter than Presidents. Why are they in the comments section? Surely these people should be running the world.

  59. NuThink

    @ Tel,

    The Saudis and the Israelis have a common enemy in Iran, and that’s highly motivational in terms of cooperation. That doesn’t mean they like each other.

    So true. Too many forget that war does make strange bedfellows.

    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend is an ancient proverb which suggests that two opposing parties can or should work together against a common enemy. … The proverb is sometimes phrased as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” or “my enemy’s enemy is my friend.””

    The Murmansk convoys that carried war matériel to the USSR are all but forgotten these days.

    From
    https://www.armed-guard.com/ag79.html

    But the heroic deeds of ships and men that braved the hazards of the
    convoy routes to carry aid to Russia in World War II were soon
    forgotten in Murmansk. Twenty-five years later, there is not a
    single testimonial there to the Allied merchant seamen and their
    naval comrades who died to keep supplies flowing to the Russian
    front. The Murmansk museum contains many relics of World War II, but
    no remembrance whatsoever of the wartime convoys or of the 97 ships
    and countless men lost in making the hazardous Murmansk Run.

    And what did they carry.

    Forty convoys, with a total of more than 800 ships, including 350
    under the U. S. flag, started on the Murmansk run from 1941 through
    1945. Ninety-seven of those ships were sunk by bombs, torpedoes,
    mines, and the fury of the elements. Were the Murmansk convoys
    instrumental in keeping Russia in the war?They carried more than
    22,000 aircraft, 375,000 trucks, 8,700 tractors, 51,500 jeeps, 1,900
    locomotives, 343,700 tons of explosives, a million miles of field-
    telephone cable, plus millions of shoes, rifles, machine guns, auto
    tires, radio sets, and other equipment.

    This supply route was absolutely vital to the Russians if they were
    to hold out against the Nazi offensive. Without the Allied ships
    that made the voyage with products from the American war arsenal,
    the Russians may well not have beaten back the German invasion.

    Yet no sooner was the war over the cold war started with the blockade of Berlin.

    The Douglas DC- 3 plans were also sold to Russia pre WW2.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2

    The Soviet Union received its first DC-2 in 1935. Although a total of 18 DC-3s had been ordered on 11 April 1936, the government of the USSR purchased 21 DC-3s for operation by Aeroflot before World War II. A production license was awarded to the government of the USSR on 15 July 1936. Lisunov spent two years at the Douglas Aircraft Company, between November 1936 and April 1939 translating the design.

    The North Korean Air Force is known to still use a number of Li-2s for transport, although they may have been decommissioned despite their continued presence on certain airbases.

    But then friends (business partnerships) do fall out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Commercial_Agreement_(1940)

    The German war effort against the Soviet Union was supported by raw materials that Germany had obtained from the Soviets through the 1940 agreement. In particular, the German stocks of rubber and grain would have been insufficient to support the invasion of the USSR if the Soviets had not already exported these products to Germany.[5]

    Secret amendments to the Agreement suggest a parties negotiations in regards to the purchase by the Soviet Union of metals and other goods in third countries and to the sale of these metals and goods to Germany. A policy of the transit through Soviet territory of a third countries commodities purchased by Germany was later agreed. The countries followed up the agreement and resolved other issues with the January 10, 1941 German–Soviet Border and Commercial Agreement.

    So you are correct, you don’t have to like each other to cooperate. Just like many work environments.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
    Bridget Gabriel talks about the peaceful majority being irrelavent.
    The WW1 and WW2 were controlled by very few people, like the War Cabinet in the UK, Nazi top brass, Stalin and his henchmen, and the Japanese high command. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. They were just the cannon fodder.

  60. Crazyoldranga
    #2657001, posted on March 10, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    I’m often stunned, but shouldn’t be, that so many people in a comments section know so much more and are so much smarter than Presidents. Why are they in the comments section? Surely these people should be running the world.

    Not yet the World, just the comments section of the Cat. One step at a time.
    Today Catallaxy, tomorrow THE WORRRLD. /sarc

  61. max

    “smarter than Presidents.”

    let me see:
    “The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by the force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre—the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

    The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

    July 26, 1920 by H. L. Mencken

  62. mh

    As Trump gets more results, media focus on chaos

  63. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre—the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

    You’re right. The safe bet odds were on Clinton, “intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre”.
    This time someone beat the odds, whom all media & pundits claimed “his mind is a virtual vacuum”. He didn’t “disperse the notion”. The odds were not on him. He allowed them their underestimations.
    .

    The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men.

    Fortunately it didn’t this time.

  64. cohenite

    The problem we are facing is this: Trump always got out of bad deals by declaring bankruptcy of the corporation in which he was the driving force.

    Bullshit. Trump’s bankruptcies were all Chapter 11s.

  65. None

    Whether Trump gets to meet fat boy or not this is a great win. Just remember when fat boy threatened to press the button, all Trump had to do was tweet that he had a bigger button that worked. When we write the history of this particular episode that will go down as the most epic troll ever.
    (It also shows that he understands diplomacy because he has a plan B for when diplomacy fails, and it is always plan B that makes diplomacy work).

  66. Jobson Grothe

    max da life unit with the no function brain.

    Sad.

  67. W Hogg

    These are the same journos fawning over Un’s sister at the Olympics. Claiming she stole the show and how rude Pence was to her yada yada yada.
    Now that Trump will openly meet with Un, these journos have changed their tune (surprise surprise).

    Yep. They are furious that T666 didn’t decline the meeting so they could accuse him of destroying the last chance to avert nucular war. Imagine if he told St Jong-Un to take a hike. Instead, all they can do now issay T666 doesn’t have enough time to prepare adequately. And, bizarrely, that he’s out of his depth. Against a guy that has only needed to demand another pie and one instantly appears.

  68. Dr Fred Lenin

    Just heard on Landline that India is increasing tariff on Chickpeas from the existing 30 pc to 60pc ‘I suppose the turnbull labor government will respond with a tariff on curry or something . These third world countries like India and China seem to take tramping all over the civilised western countries is a right ,,supported by the u.n.communists ,so when Trump strikes back showing China how much muscle the US has under a non leftist government , they scream unfair ,+supported by the treasonous left media . Comrade Dictator Xi,the president is only starting to put the screws on you and your fascist cohorts . Pull your Norks fat boy into gear and stop the China sea bullshit or things will get much worse for you ,how would you like to have a few million of your people unemployed? Love to see Trump get an amendment in the US constitution barring lawyers from politics in perpetuity only non government working taxpayers allowed .

  69. Crossie

    No Saudi would have appeared under such iconic Christian symbols.
    Remember how statues and pictures used to be covered with sheets when the Saudis visited a place?

    Notre Dame University had to do that for Obama’s visit. Now, what does that say about Obama and even more of the Catholic university that agreed to it?

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