Open Forum: March 10, 2018

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  1. DrBeauGan

    If we limited abortion to this scenario, there would be less than a 10000 abortions a year.

    There might be a few other scenarios where it would be justifiable. But nothing remotely like the current numbers, IT.

    There are all sorts of horrors that can go wrong with a pregnancy. I’m told 50% abort spontaneously when the mother’s body recognises that something has gone agley. It’s a complicated business cooking a baby,

    There’s something less than human in CLs theological/ ideological approach to the issue. Most medical people are decent human beings and try to do the right thing on each occasion, knowing they have to live with themselves. I think principles from religious people may contribute to their decisions, the problem currently is that the religion of leftism is just fundamentally in conflict with the innate moral sense. So there is a good deal of moral confusion about.

  2. DrBeauGan

    I agree that abortion on demand is horrible, CL. It’s less than human. But so is your no abortion ever position. They both try to replace the conscience by a blanket rule. I admit your blanket rule does far less damage, but you really ought to understand that it was people’s consciences that led to the rejection of your rule. They could see cases where their conscience told them it was wrong. And now, as you say, people’s consciences are turning them from abortion on demand. This is good, but you need more than just banning it as an alternative, or we’ll just oscillate between two inhuman positions.

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    Vis a vis the “welcome to country” ahistorical BS – at our son’s wedding reception on a boat on Sydney Harbour, the Sunbather commenced his address with ” As we look around the harbour foreshore I would like to thank the traditional owners, Westpac, ANZ, Macquarie Bank etc…. got a good laugh alas among the guests were a few of our son’s friends who were recipients of aboriginal industry leech-blood were ‘offended’. We assured our son that offence-taking was a choice.

  4. DrBeauGan

    Credit to m0nty who has analysed the situation with astonishing and unprecedented acuity. Keep it up.

  5. DrBeauGan

    Tinta, rare situations may make bad law, but a law that totally ignores them will not stand. I don’t want bureaucrats deciding right from wrong. I want human decency to be involved. Medics and nurses who confront real life situations where the choice is between the damnably bad and the even worse may need some guidance but they don’t need a fundamentalist bureaucrat giving them orders.

  6. Snoopy

    Monty’s Cat log in has been hacked. Another Russian bot victim.

  7. Tintarella di Luna

    they don’t need a fundamentalist bureaucrat giving them orders.

    Indeed DrBeauGan and that goes for every area of public policy.

  8. Snoopy

    Leak’s likeness of Laura Tingle hits the spot.

  9. Snoopy

    From Breitbart. Does the ONE Foundation (co-founded by U2’s insufferable Bono) have the most apt name of any charity in the whole world?

    In 2010, the Daily Mail reported that the ONE Foundation paid just one percent of its total funds to charity, with the rest being spent on lavish employee salaries and its own self-promotion.

  10. Tom

    The green parasites in the Turnbull Crony Capitalist Regime are sucking Australian households dry, with the poor especially being kicked in the head:

    Energy consumers will be forced to pay more than $1 billion for rooftop solar installation subsidies this year, increasing power costs by up to $100 per household, according to an industry analysis.

    Operators warn of a spike in the number of unscrupulous ­operators unless the green-power subsidy is wound back.

    The Clean Energy Regulator has released figures showing that more than 1057 megawatts of ­capacity was installed last year, equating to 3.5 million solar ­panels being fixed to rooftops.

    Industry analysis obtained by The Australian reveals the cost of small-scale technology certificates — created to increase the incentive to install rooftop solar — shows the value of the sub­sidies was $500 million last year.

    The solar industry is expecting the subsidy to increase to about $1.3bn this year after the regulator estimated in January that 22 million new certificates would be created over the year.

    The certificates are granted to people installing solar panels, and electricity retailers are required to buy them.

    Jeff Bye, founder and owner of Demand Manager in Sydney, a company that creates and trades the certificates, warned that the rebate was “overly generous” in many circumstances. “There are strong reasons to support installation of rooftop solar in Australia; however, it’s a question of the degree of support needed,” he said.

    “The cost increase (this year) is about $800m and there are 8 million households … so there’ll be a cost impact of around $100 per household. The electricity impact might be $40 or $50 per household but businesses will pass through the additional cost too … That subsidy of $500m last year, or $1.2bn to $1.3bn this year, is added on to everyone’s bills.”

    Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg said the Australian Energy Market Commission had found the average cost to households over the past five years was about $29 a year, with the price peaking in 2012 at $44 for the year. “The AEMC forecasts residential electricity prices will fall over the next two years as renewable energy, including small-scale solar supported by the Renewable Energy Target, enters the system,” Mr Frydenberg said.

    In last year’s Residential Electricity Price Trends report, the AEMC acknowledged that “costs incurred in purchasing certificates are assumed to be passed on to consumers through retail prices”.

    Mr Frydenberg celebrated the solar rooftop take-up last year, saying Australia had emerged as a “world leader” and noted that one in five households used solar power.

    NSW Liberal MP Craig Kelly, chairman of the Coalition backbench committee for energy and the environment, warned that the cost of rooftop solar subsidies was being carried by those who could least afford it.

    He said the benefits of lower power prices were going to high-wealth households that installed the panels, while those without solar panels were hit with higher prices passed on by electricity ­retailers.

    “It’s effectively a reverse Robin Hood scheme where we are ­increasing the electricity prices on the poor to reduce electricity ­prices for the rich,” Mr Kelly said.

    “A woman rang me during the week and broke down on the telephone. She just got her electricity bill and it was $800. She was ­expecting a bill of $400 … she’s got no way of paying for it.”

    Turnbull is the parasite-in-chief with family money in this giant scam. That’s what we used to call political corruption. There’s no way the Lieborals win again with him at the till, but the backbench rabbits are still blocking a challenge because they can’t acknowledge the stupid mistake they made in September 2015’s coup. Insane.

  11. Tintarella di Luna

    A woman rang me during the week and broke down on the telephone. She just got her electricity bill and it was $800. She was ­expecting a bill of $400 … she’s got no way of paying for it

    Craig Kelly spoke at the Northern Sydney Conservative Forum dinner last week and told the audience about this telephone call from his constituent. What of families with young children, living in home units where there are no outdoor clothes lines, a bout of illness in such a household will drive them to penury.

    The poor will always be with us that’s for sure and they’ll be kept poor by the deliberate policies of the political class, aided and abetted by the media class who look down their noses at them and call them bogans and dinosaurs because they worry about paying their energy bills and lack the virtue to be grateful for their sacrifices to the Goddess Gaia.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    Morland’s is marvellous. Here’s the famous Low cartoon.

    I like Pickering’s FBI one too, sort of charmingly bumbling along they are.

  13. Bruce of Newcastle

    I love it when truth lands on someone like a tonne of horse manure.
    Elizabeth Warren is the latest very deserving victim:

    Warren: No to White House bid, DNA test; says heritage ‘part of who I am’

    Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Sunday ruled out a 2020 presidential run and taking a DNA test to prove Native American ancestry — an issue that has nagged her Senate campaigns and would almost certainly create problems in a White House bid.

    “I’m not running for president,” Warren, a champion of the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, told “Fox News Sunday.”

    When asked Sunday whether she’d agree to calls for genetic testing to resolve the heritage controversy, Warren launched into a family history, as purportedly told by her parents and grandparents, before saying, “It’s a part of who I am, and no one’s ever going to take that away.”

    How odd that she’s refusing to take a DNA test. It’s a mystery!

  14. calli

    “I’m a woman. I’m a wife. I’m a mother. One hundred years ago, I would’ve been beaten by my husband. That’s what happened to pretty much all women.

    Dunno about the husband.

    But a hundred years ago, if I was your mother, I would’ve given you a good clip over the ears for being an idiot.

  15. The ectopic pregnancy defense of abortion is easily dealt with by the principle of double effect. You simply remove the effected part of the fallopian tube. The fact that this in all likelihood kills the child is incidental, as what is aimed at is the prevention of the mother’s death, not the death of the child.. Same goes for a mother that may have cancer while pregnant and requires medication that may incidentally harm the child in utero. She is perfectly entitled to take the medication. What she or the doctor is prohibited from doing is deliberately destroying the child, and since what is deliberately sought in every abortion is the death of the child, abortion is in every instance morally wrong.

  16. calli

    Thank you, Dover.

    Equating surgery on an ectopic pregnancy with abortion was silly.

  17. calli

    In fact, if either of my daughters said such a stupid thing now, my palms would tingle and so would their ears in anticipation.

  18. OldOzzie

    Tom

    Thanks as always

    As a Snoopy Fan – Micheal Ramirez # 1 wins

  19. LNP insider

    So Turnbull has asked all state bramches to conduct all federal preselectiins by August. Guess when a half senate election becomes a possibility alongside ths House of Reps?

    August 4th

  20. Mother’s Day cards go gender-neutral: Waitrose is selling gender-neutral Mother’s Day cards as retailers reduce their use of the M-word to make today’s celebration more “transgender inclusive”.

    The supermarket chain is selling a “Happy You Day” card in its Mother’s Day range in which the word “mother” does not appear.

    Liberalism is deranged.

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bolta mentions that Flanners is on Q&A tonight. So I looked up the panel…

    Bob Carr – Former Foreign Minister
    Tim Flannery – Chief Councillor of the Climate Council
    Jane Fitzgerald – Property Council of Australia, NSW
    John Daley – CEO Grattan Institute
    Jiyoung Song – Asia Institute of the University of Melbourne

    There you go, a wall-to-wall climate moanfest. The ABC has taken no chances that their magic mammal man will be questioned on his religion. Not a single overt conservative or sceptic. I can’t speak for Ms Song or Ms Fitzgerald but I’m confident that the ABC has chosen them very carefully.

  22. Top Ender

    Queensland schools will be splashed with propaganda for the militant CFMEU in a plan being slammed as an attempt to “indoctrinate children as militant unionists” as they approach voting age.

    In a move criticised as politicising schools, Queensland Teachers Union general secretary Graham Moloney pledged the union would “make sure there are Eureka Stockade flags in every school in Queensland” in solidarity with the building union, according to The Courier-Mail.

    The move is in retaliation against the federal construction watchdog, the Australian Building Construction Commission, in January banning union logos that include the Eureka flag from federal construction sites.

    Federal Education Minister Simon Birmingham has condemned the decision, saying children are at school to learn how to read and write and not to learn how to be protesters.

    Link

  23. Farmer Gez

    Thanks for the heads up on the Q&A panel BoN.
    I won’t be watching but it would be interesting to see Flannery explain Queensland weather.
    Droughts and flooding rains.
    Someone should write a poem about that.

  24. OldOzzie

    Worst case, Trump paid Stormy Daniels. But he didn’t kill her

    Worst case, Trump paid Stormy Daniels. But he didn’t kill her. That distinguishes him from the Liberal Lion of the Senate. If you want a scandal, and a cover-up that succeeded to a remarkable degree, look no further than Chappaquiddick. The Democratic Party conspired to cover up Ted Kennedy’s crime–manslaughter, in a particularly vile form–to preserve his political viability, at the cost of an innocent young woman’s life.

    To this day, most people have no idea what the Chappaquiddick scandal was all about. That is how successful the Democrats’ cover-up has been. Most Americans assume that Kennedy was guilty of drunk driving and negligently causing the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. But the truth is much worse.

    Several books have told the real story, but the movie Chappaquiddick may finally blow the lid off the Democrats’ cover-up. Based on the trailers, it apparently will tell the truth: that Ted Kennedy, after driving off a bridge into Poucha Pond, escaped from his car but made no attempt to save Miss Kopechne. That Kopechne didn’t drown, but eventually suffocated for lack of oxygen as she waited for Kennedy to rescue her. That Kopechne could have been saved if Kennedy had simply called the local rescue squad. That Kennedy was such a self-centered coward that he left Kopechne to die, concerned only for his own political future. That instead of calling for help, he walked back to the house where his party was still in progress. That when he arrived, he tried to convince his cousin Joe Gargan to say that he had been driving the car. That he never did call the police to report the accident, but rather spent the night trying to concoct an alibi. That the Democrats fixed the legal process so that Kennedy would pay no meaningful penalty for the death he callously caused. That Kennedy pretended to have been injured in the accident in order to excuse his cowardice, and wore a neck brace to Kopechne’s funeral to further that lie.

    There have been more disgusting human beings than the Liberal Lion of the Senate, but Kennedy was very near the bottom of the scale. Yet he remained a hero to Democrats until the day he died, forty years after he killed Mary Jo Kopechne. That is what I call a scandal: not only Ted Kennedy’s manslaughter–frankly, a charitable characterization–but the Democratic Party’s decades-long cover-up.

    Donald Trump should take no grief for whatever he did years ago with the still-alive, still-flourishing, and reportedly financially better-off Stormy Daniels. If I were Trump, every time a reporter tried to ask me about Daniels, I would respond by talking about Chappaquiddick.

  25. Delta A

    The Australian declares that it is officially a fluff rag with: Kim Kardahsian West goes brunette again
    by Julia Hunt.

  26. Tel

    Monty’s Cat log in has been hacked. Another Russian bot victim.

    He was secretly working for the Russians from the start… trying to sow confusion and dissent apparently.

  27. calli

    Knight #2 made me laugh. Very, very good. 😄

  28. calli

    On Ramirez #1.

    It would work better as humour if the characters were reversed. And be more truthful.

  29. Baldrick

    Bolta mentions that Flanners is on Q&A tonight …

    Fact: A Groundhog can predict climate anomalies with greater accuracy than Tim Flannery.

  30. notafan

    We’ve covered double effect here in depth, more than once, but still people think that is removing a life threatening you will for sure die fallopian tube is a mere abortion.

    No it isn’t.

    And as Monty is a complete pro abort his Esme Watson hand flapping is a con.

  31. notafan

    Isn’t the first Knight a little untruthful, given Andrews history on roads as well as doing the msm’s work by not giving Matthew Guy his name?

    We all know East West link was cancelled because inner green vote, car bad, public transport good,, much like Adani must go because Batman.

  32. C.L.

    There’s something less than human in CLs theological/ ideological approach to the issue.

    LOL.
    You’re the one casually willing to kill somebody, not me.

  33. Chris

    I am in deep trouble.
    I started reading on the newly-installed Kindle app on my phone,
    Jordan Peterson 12 Rules for Radicals.
    Or something.
    Late to bed’early to rise,
    I now have the IQ and reaction time of a broken bootlace.

  34. Delta A

    Greg Sheridan gives Steve Ciobo a well deserved smack in The $Oz:

    Ciobo must be barking to spit in the face of a friend

    Every now and again a government does or says something so unrelentingly stupid as to demand a psychiatric intervention.

    Trade Minister Steve Ciobo’s suggestion that Canberra could join with the EU in mounting a formal World Trade Organisation challenge to the Trump administration’s steel and aluminium tariffs, even after Australia has been exempted from these tariffs, is a supreme example of this well-populated genre.

    Challenging American tariffs which don’t apply to us? On behalf of the EU?

    Are you kidding, Steve?

    No wonder Bill Shorten is three laps and a furlong ahead of this government.

  35. JC

    haahahahahhahahaha

    President Donald Trump mocked California Rep. Maxine Waters during a freewheeling speech Saturday night, saying she had a “very low IQ.”

    He also called out the longtime congresswoman for her calls to impeach him.
    “Did you ever see her? Did you ever see her? ‘We will impeach him. We will impeach the president,'” Trump said before telling the crowd he hadn’t done anything wrong.
    “‘It doesn’t matter, we will impeach him.’ She’s a low IQ individual,” Trump said.

    Everyone knows she’s thick.

  36. Boambee John

    Top Ender at 0806

    In a move criticised as politicising schools, Queensland Teachers Union general secretary Graham Moloney pledged the union would “make sure there are Eureka Stockade flags in every school in Queensland” in solidarity with the building union, according to The Courier-Mail.

    Moloney is so ignorant that he is not aware that Eureka was a revolt of small business men and sole traders against high taxation and heavy handed government regulation.

  37. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Craig Kelly spoke at the Northern Sydney Conservative Forum dinner last week and told the audience about this telephone call from his constituent. What of families with young children, living in home units where there are no outdoor clothes lines, a bout of illness in such a household will drive them to penury.

    Tinta the true believers don’t care. I had that discussion with a rusted-on mate, asking him why it was a Good Thing that my own electricity bills should rise by over $30 a month for a household of two after the closure of Hazelwood. He couldn’t give me a straight answer.

    He also couldn’t justify why we should be closing down all of our coal-powered generators except for “leading the way” for other large producers.

    Oh, and it’s good for China and India to be opening so many coal-powered stations because they’re developing countries.

    There is honestly no answer to such fervour.

  38. zyconoclast

    Good shoes but no socks. Just bare feet in some kind of expensive looking shoes. How weird is that, at his own wedding.

    Two blokes get married and you reckon the absence of socks is the weird thing?

    Is the Cats secret sock puppeteer revealed?
    Has Tim Wilson’s bum buddy doxxed himself?

  39. Rae

    Trump said before telling the crowd he hadn’t done anything wrong.

    JC, let us know when he says “I am not a crook”.

  40. H B Bear

    Flim Flammery and Used Carr – are there two more washed up people going around in Australian public life than these two?

    Snowcone isn’t going to be filling the Big Top or the Zachy Mallah courtesy bus like this. The demos demands Persian dwarf throwing and Pell being thrown to the media lions.

  41. Dover Beach;

    The ectopic pregnancy defense of abortion is easily dealt with by the principle of double effect.

    Thank you.
    Better put than I can say it.
    People here would know me as a conservative – for the record, I am not a Lefty sophist as CL has suggested. I believe abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

  42. Dover Beach;

    Mother’s Day cards go gender-neutral: Waitrose is selling gender-neutral Mother’s Day cards as retailers reduce their use of the M-word to make today’s celebration more “transgender inclusive”.

    The thing to watch is the crowd happily thronging after this miasma*.
    These are the people and organisations that gather in support of the class of politicians and community leaders who will lead us over the precipice.
    Watch and learn how the Enlightenment dies.

    * an oppressive or unpleasant atmosphere which surrounds or emanates from something.
    “a miasma of despair rose from the black workshops”

  43. EvilElvis

    Federal Education Minister Simon Birmingham has condemned the decision

    Condemn them by sacking them you spineless twat! How does this union bullshit remotely fly in a publicly funded space?

  44. The ectopic pregnancy defense of abortion is easily dealt with by the principle of double effect.

    Thank you.
    Better put than I can say it.
    People here would know me as a conservative – for the record, I am not a Lefty sophist as CL has suggested. I believe abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

    But, Winston, I have not defended abortion in that example. Removing that portion of the fallopian tube would not constitute an abortion. An abortion involves deliberately killing the child in utero, in the above, that is not the case. Death only follows incidentally. Engaging in an act which may incidentally kill the child is permitted, however, only where there is a reasonable prospect of saving the mother. The deliberate killing of the child in utero is always morally wrong. It should neither be legal nor safe.

  45. cynical1

    The deliberate killing of the child in utero is always morally wrong. It should neither be legal nor safe.

    A few young girls from Rotherham may disagree…

  46. John Comnenus

    After a very busy long weekend (its Canberra Day down here) fixing crap around the house I am settling down to an ice cold Bentspoke Crankshaft IPA. If you like a hoppy flavoursome malty beer, then Crankshaft is a must. Canberra’s finest craft beer in my opinion.

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