Monday Forum: March 12, 2018

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  1. overburdened

    Re abortion
    They can be spontaneous and induced, due to innate unviability or because of stress to the mother- illness, injury etc.
    They can be therapeutic to save the mother.
    By definition, this does not preclude voluntary abortion of and unviable foetus or one with significant detected problems.
    They can be early or late term.
    They can be induced by injecting hypertonic saline into the baby, as the Chinese did to enforce the one child Policy.
    This is not meant to be an exhaustive yap about abortion.
    With the advent of the MAP and years of safe sex messaging mainly to save homo’s from themselves, I think it would be fair for those who want an abortion for lifestyle reasons to do it themselves, using the Chinese method and deal with the clean up and then the consequences.
    As far as moralising from the peanut gallery, shout at a cloud about what you think is right or wrong.
    Clarity begins when one embraces that things are, regardless of whether you like it or not.

  2. Rococo Liberal

    Great moment yesterday when I was having lunch with Mrs Rocco at a very swish Harbourside eatery. I noticed that the special desert of the day was a ”White chocate mousse” . ”White chocolate isn’t real chocolate” says I. ”It’s just like gay marraige isn’t real marriage” fires back Mrs R

  3. C.L.

    … sometimes an abortion is morally right.

    No no. It is never morally right.
    Which is how I started this conversation a thousand comments ago on the other thread.
    Still no rational proof to the contrary.
    When Monty is your point man, you know your situation is hopeless.

  4. DrBeauGan

    In the context of abortion the “to save the mothers life” is rare and part of the 5% which can be worked out on the margins between the individuals involved and their health providers, endlessly angsting over the rare cases is a bad idea.

    That’s what I said last night, mole.

  5. testpattern

    ‘I think that this clever commenter could well be Professor Bunyip’ – aka The Clever Go

    The Bunyip of Barrow Island

    ‘Never mind where I struck him—the raconteur, not the bunyip, but he was worth listening to, and the day was hot and gloomy.
    ” Strike me dead, Bill,” he said,” but he was the biggest and ugliest lizard ever I saw. Over eight feet long if he was an inch, and spikes on his back like a garden picket fence. ‘Twas on Barrow Island, off the Nor’West coast, we had our fight with him…’

    Now read on –

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201949113?browse=ndp%3Abrowse%2Fplace%2FWestern%20Australia%2FB%2Ftitle%2F974%2F1907%2F07%2F12%2Fpage%2F22558450%2Farticle%2F201949113

  6. Chris

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2658522, posted on March 12, 2018 at 4:42 pm
    In a letter to the Oakland police union after the incident, the coffee shop said “it does not serve the police.”

    Presumably, if someone tries to rob the joint, they’ll have no reservations about calling for the police?

    At last we have a test case for public accommodation by leftists. Shut up and ice that cake with ‘blue lives matter’!

  7. OldOzzie

    North Korea still silent on Trump summit

    News of the planned summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un sent shockwaves around the globe. But in North Korea – as of Monday, several days after the announcement – not a word about it had been reported by the state-run media.

    Pyongyang has been surprisingly quiet on the slew of momentous, and possibly even historic, events that have come in quick succession over the past few months.

    It has essentially barred foreign media from visiting the country for more than a month and, while trumpeting the need for better inter-Korean relations, clung to the same anti-US, pro-nuclear weapons tone it struck at the height of its missile-testing frenzy last year.

    Officials in Seoul say Pyongyang is keeping them in the dark as well. “Regarding the North Korea-US summit meeting, there hasn’t been an official response by the North Korean government. So we think North Korea is having a cautious approach on the issue as it needs time to organize its stance,” Unification Ministry spokesman Baik Tae-hyun said today.

    It’s not unusual for the North Korean media to take their time in getting out the news.

    Because they are state-run, all newspapers, radio and television broadcasters and the official news agency are, without fail, on message. As Baik suggested, sometimes it takes a while to figure out what that message should be. The North Korean government might have also been holding off because it’s concerned the summit proposal could fall through, which could be hard to explain to their own public.

    But as of Monday, the only official word of the North’s offer of a summit with Trump in exchange for a moratorium on missile and nuclear tests had come from South Korea. The North’s main newspaper, the Rodong Sinmun, which is run by the ruling party, had only put out a few paragraphs about a visit by senior South Korean officials last week.

    It made no mention of any summit plans, let alone any conditions or statements on whether Kim is seriously mulling abandoning his nuclear weapons. Though it warranted just a brief in the North’s main newspaper, last week’s meeting in Pyongyang was a big one.

    It led to an agreement for Kim to have a summit with South Korean President Moon Jae-in next month. The same officials then carried to Washington a verbal message of Kim’s willingness to meet Trump, which the US President is said to have immediately accepted. The Trump-Kim summit is supposed to take place by May.

    The lack of confirmation from Pyongyang has generated skepticism about how accurately Seoul and Washington are depicting Kim’s intentions. The silence on the summits was even more glaring because of how the North had played up the Olympic diplomacy that started it all off.

    Kim used his nationally televised New Year’s address to launch the first salvo of his new charm offensive, wishing for the success of the Pyeongchang Olympics and vowing 2018 would be a historic year for Koreans on both sides of the Demilitarized Zone. The annual address is a major news event and Kim’s biggest regular platform for making important policy announcements.

    The North then grabbed the spotlight for several days at the Olympics by dispatching a made-for-the-cameras delegation of female cheerleaders, pop singers and even Kim’s own younger sister, who managed to upstage a visit at the same time by US Vice-President Mike Pence. Photos of her with Moon were front-page news in the North.

    Not a single story was written or broadcast about the performance of the North’s athletes, however. Their best finish was 13th, in pairs figure skating.

  8. C.L.

    Lunatic Jenna Price files copy from her planet:

    What David Warner should have said to Quinton de Kock.

    So, David Warner, the next time someone sledges you about the sexual history of Candice Falzon, repeat this.

    “Yeah, she did all that. All that. And afterwards, after all those amazing athletes, she chose me. I’m bloody lucky.”

    Support your wife’s sexual agency and put de Kock in his place. Way down the batting order and struggling to keep his spot as a wicket keeper. You know what to do. Now do it.

    That’ll work.

  9. DrBeauGan

    … sometimes an abortion is morally right.

    No no. It is never morally right.

    Yes, CL, but you decide if something is morally right by looking it up in a big rule book provided by your church.

    Some of us consult our conscience. You might give it a try someday.

  10. testpattern

    From my earlier link to the Colreavy prospecting expedition. I was hoping one of the nulliuses here might reference it for me to elaborate upon, but alas. And alack. A nullius is a nullius, forever in denial.

    ‘Interviewed regarding the chaining of natives, both Colreavy and Wasley said they had never had occasion to adopt these measures, but would not hesitate to do so if the necessity arose. Colreavy also said that he had no doubt it was frequently necessary to chain natives..’

    This is a reference to the common practice of the white invaders chaining Firsts to trees to force them to take them to water, often accompanied by torture. This is what the Canning expedition did, setting up a chain of reprisals on members of the subsequent Calvert and Colreavy expeditions.

  11. Peter

    Oh dear, it seems that embracing every leftist meme, and relentlessly boosting the left of ACT politics is not good enough for our ungrateful Chief Minister.

  12. OldOzzie

    ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr gets his news from Crikey, not ‘conservative’ Canberra Times

    ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has revealed he dropped his subscription to Fairfax’s Canberra Times “some years ago”, because of its “conservative outlook”, and instead gets his news from left-leaning Melbourne-based outlets, The Saturday Paper and Crikey.

    In a statement defending comments he made last week declaring he “hates journalists” and is “over” the mainstream media, Mr Barr said his ACT Labor government would target Canberrans through alternative media strategies, including social media.

    “Given there is such interest in my views on mainstream media, I can confirm that I cancelled my subscription to The Canberra Times some years ago,” Mr Barr said.

    “One of the reasons for this is I believe the Canberra Times has a conservative outlook in their reporting. Any material they publish that is of interest to me is given away for free on their website.

    “In relation to other print media available in Canberra, I find The Australian to be very right wing and favour the conservative side of politics. The same can be said for commercial talk back radio. I would not be alone in reaching that conclusion.

    “I do subscribe to the Saturday Paper and Crikey.”

    Mr Barr said it was good that there was diversity in media ownership.

    “Overall, concentrated media ownership, and particularly newspaper monopolies in cities or regions, is not good for democracy,” he said.

    “The days of newspapers telling their readers how to vote, or how to think, should be long gone.”

    Mr Barr said Canberra was a “diverse community” and the traditional media no longer engaged with it.

    “Audiences for traditional media are ageing and disappearing. This means trying new things,” Mr Barr said.

    “The ACT Government will delve deeper and work smarter to reach our target audiences, using market research and audience analytics to help us create meaningful localised content that resonates with its target audiences.”

    Mr Barr said his government aimed to reach “hard-to-reach audiences” and include them in its decision-making, “demographically representative engagement becomes standard practice.”

    “The government wants to embrace new technologies and more direct ways of communicating with our community.

    “Our communications will be concise, engaging and delivered using the most appropriate channels to reach our intended audiences.”

    Mr Barr told communications specialists at an event at the ACT parliament last week that he wants to bypass traditional media in favour of social media.

    The Chief Minister took particular aim at Fairfax’s Canberra Times and ABC Canberra, which dominate the media landscape in the ACT.

    “I hate journalists. I’m over dealing with the mainstream media as a form of communication with the people of Canberra,” he said.

    “What passes for a daily newspaper in this city is a joke and it will be only a matter of years before it closes down.”

    Mr Barr claimed that average age of viewers of ABC Canberra’s 7pm TV news bulletin was in the mid 60s, and that the circulation of the print edition of the Canberra Times was less than 15,000.

    Earlier, the ACT Liberals branded Mr Barr a “little dictator”.

    Opposition Leader Alistair Coe said he did not believe Canberra media had ever been biased towards the Liberal opposition, saying he believed Mr Barr was “uncomfortable” over scrutiny of land deals his government has done, including the purchase of CFMEU headquarters for $3.9 million.

    “I don’t think historically you could say that local media has been bent towards the Liberal opposition,” Mr Coe told Sky News.

    “If anything we’d say the opposite, but I’m sure the Labor Party would say that we get a good run, but the reality is at the moment there are a lot of important issues being discussed in Canberra.

    “One of them is the need for an anti-corruption commission. That’s made the Chief Minister pretty uncomfortable, and I think uncomfortable for good reason.

    “He’d much rather not have scrutiny on his government and not have the media or opposition unearth too much more stuff about him.

    “In the last few years you’ve had the ACT Labor government purchase the CFMEU lease it back for $3.9 million, and then lease it back for $1 per year.

    “This is on top of dozens of other property scandals. So when you have the ACT government giving fellow travellers of the Labor Party multimillion-dollar free kicks there certainly is grounds for a corruption commission in Canberra.

    “Unfortunately there is a very real need for an anti-corruption commission in Canberra, and understandably Andrew Barr doesn’t like the reporting of it.”

    Mr Coe said the ACT government still largely depended on traditional media to get its message out.

    “Even today when there’s reports of Andrew Barr saying he hates journalists and traditional media, the government keeps putting out media releases, and who are media releases for if not for traditional media?” he said.

    “So I think when you have a head of government, such as Andrew Barr, albeit a little dictator, come out and say something like this, I think it’s right that it does get attention.”

    The Australian has contacted Mr Barr’s office for comment.

    From the Comments

    – to paraphrase a Queensland lad, fighting diversity of comment by exclusion from comment.

    Barr and his gift to the CFMEU were so smelly not even the bastion of the politically correct, the Canberra Times could ignore it.

    – Words such as “arrogant” and “dictator” describe Mr Barr to perfection. He couldn’t care less what Canberrans think about how his government makes opaque decisions, particularly those over 60. He formed government after going into bed with 1 greenie, bought by his willingness to build a tram to nowhere for more than $1 billion (with a terrible, misleading business case).

    And he has the hide to complain about the Canberra Times, which is more left that its sister NSW publication (the Sydney Morning Herald), and a local ABC which would rarely express a view contrary to the left agenda. On top of that, the local WIN TV station is a quasi government mouthpiece, always extolling all the good things that this government does but never criticises the many blunders it makes.

    Those of us who may have had to visit a main government shop front in Canberra will have been confronted with Mr Barr’s ever present image on the TV screens – reminds me of a few dictators of not long past.

    He will be a very bitter man when he turns 60 as he will then join the ranks of those of us who have been continually maligned by him!

    – Welcome to the ACT Animal Farm where some are more important than the others. A territory where Socialist public ‘servants’ are paid enormous salaries”

    Fairfax … Conservative …. hahaha lolo ….. rofl …. he’s actually serious …. rolf …. please stop …. lmfao …. lmfo … please stop its hurting ….

    The Canberra Times has a ‘conservative outlook’! Compared to what – the Hugo Chavez Bulletin? This guy has walked off the edge.

  13. OldOzzie

    Peter
    #2658540, posted on March 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm
    Oh dear, it seems that embracing every leftist meme, and relentlessly boosting the left of ACT politics is not good enough for our ungrateful Chief Minister.

    Sorry Peter – Snap

  14. OldOzzie

    Police boost to tackle NT alcohol violence

    An extra 75 auxiliary police officers will be trained as liquor inspectors and posted in front of bottle shops to help combat alcohol-fuelled violence in the Northern Territory.

    Chief Minister Michael Gunner says the extra inspectors will be backed by more operational staff and prosecutors in a special unit within NT police.

    He says the government will provide almost $12 million in annual funding for the unit that will also allow frontline police to return to core policing roles.

    “Every Territorian has the right to feel safe and expect their homes, businesses and property to be secure,” Mr Gunner said in a statement on Monday.

    “We have seen how destructive excessive consumption of alcohol is in the Northern Territory, particularly in relation to child neglect and the exposure of children to domestic violence.” The 75 new auxiliary inspectors will be recruited over the next 12 months and then located in Alice Springs, Tennant Creek and Katherine.

    Their appointments will allow for 36 police officers to return to other frontline duties.

    The government’s new unit will also include 12 police officers based in Darwin and Palmerston who will focus on the secondary supply of alcohol.

  15. Baldrick

    Remember scrolly scrolly past the trollys everyone.
    Every pixel in reply is a another stroke on the sockmeisters oily shaft.

    Hahaha, that’s a keeper frollicking.

  16. Myrddin Seren

    In a letter to the Oakland police union after the incident, the coffee shop said “it does not serve the police.”

    Presumably, if someone tries to rob the joint, they’ll have no reservations about calling for the police?

    Hasta Muerte Coffee, an employee-owned business…

    Google Translate suggests the business name in English is ‘Until Death’

    Sounds like the place is a front for some Hispanic gangbangers doing nefarious things under the guise of selling beverages. No wonder they don’t want the cops dropping by.

  17. C.L.

    … you decide if something is morally right by looking it up in a big rule book provided by your church.

    No, I decide things for myself.

    Some of us consult our conscience.

    I wonder how it is that your “conscience” so closely resembles the boilerplate talking points publicised for 40 years by the abortion lobby.

  18. Yes, CL, but you decide if something is morally right by looking it up in a big rule book provided by your church.

    Some of us consult our conscience. You might give it a try someday.

    Are you suggesting CL (or I) haven’t consulted our conscience on this matter? Anyway, the only way you can determine if our conscience errs in this or that instance is by means of an appeal to argument, not conscience, which would be circular.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle

    ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has revealed he dropped his subscription to Fairfax’s Canberra Times “some years ago”, because of its “conservative outlook”

    He is talking about the CanT not some other newspaper isn’t he?
    Crikey! Crikey must be really lefty then.

  20. Dave in Marybrook

    Best lesson in sledging comes from Glenn McGrath v Ramnaresh Sarwan-
    McG- “What does Brian Lara’s cock taste like?”
    S- “Don’t ask me… ask your wife.”
    McG- goes apeshit. Loses high ground, loses respect of Antigua crowd, loses respect of Aussie kids. I can’t remember how cheaply McGrath lost his wicket, but single figures is a safe bet (I think Oz had actually played two innings at that stage).
    The moral- leave it out. But if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

  21. H B Bear

    Never mix Trove and unleaded.

  22. Lysander

    Yes, CL, but you decide if something is morally right by looking it up in a big rule book provided by your church.

    Some of us consult our conscience. You might give it a try someday.

    Funny DrB, my etymological dictionary defines “conscience” as “c. 1200, “faculty of knowing what is right,” originally especially to Christian ethics”

  23. H B Bear

    “I do subscribe to the Saturday Paper and Crikey.”

    Bwahahahaa that’s gold Jerry, gold. I’ve been looking at the ACT town council all wrong. It’s actually a comedy troupe.

  24. C.L.

    I’ve never understood the confected machismo and carry-on in cricket.
    It’s basically a ladies’ game.

  25. None

    Abortion is killing. Killing an imnocent, defenceless, human. There is no moral justification for abortion. It is never right. Impossible to be right. Even Camile Paglia, an arch feminist who supports abortion on demand at any time concedes that abortion is killing and cannot be morally justified. It is an act of sheer will. Intentional killing.

  26. classical_hero

    https://youtu.be/q4qm8zofJM4

    Looks like the UK is screwed and they have a supposed conservative government right now. I don’t know how things could get worse.

  27. Rae

    Just sayin’.

    Tell me why I care.

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    “Yeah, she did all that. All that. And afterwards, after all those amazing athletes, she chose me. I’m bloody lucky.”

    I think mine is better:

    “I’m a better bang than big bad Sonny Bill on coke in a cubicle, you dirty f$cking k$ffir kicking cretin.
    And don’t you forget it”

  29. Lysander

    Have a good night Cats; I’m off. Here’s a link for your reading pleasure:

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/more-dangerous-than-nukes-elon-musk-still-firm-on-regulatory-oversight-of-ai/

    I hope it doesn’t “start” anything. 🙂

  30. John Comnenus

    After a very busy long weekend (its Canberra Day down here) fixing crap around the house I am settling down to an ice cold Bentspoke Crankshaft IPA. If you like a hoppy flavoursome malty beer, then Crankshaft is a must. Canberra’s finest craft beer in my opinion.

  31. Chris

    After a very busy long weekend (its Canberra Day down here) fixing crap around the house I am settling down to an ice cold Bentspoke Crankshaft IPA. If you like a hoppy flavoursome malty beer, then Crankshaft is a must. Canberra’s finest craft beer in my opinion.

    Good to know the ACT alcohol stocks are not yet depleted, John!

  32. Myrddin Seren

    Churchill – 1946

    “From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the continent.”

    Britain – today:

    Canadian YouTuber and right-wing activist Lauren Southern has been detained in the United Kingdom and has had her phone and passport taken from her.

    They hauled Lauren off a bus, for goodness sake:

    Southern was travelling to the UK by bus when she was singled out by border police and taken in for questioning.

    This is under a Faux-Conservative ‘government’.

  33. Snoopy

    This is a reference to the common practice of the white invaders chaining Firsts to trees to force them to take them to water, often accompanied by torture. This is what the Canning expedition did, setting up a chain of reprisals on members of the subsequent Calvert and Colreavy expeditions.

    You’ve got this arse about TP. Canning used to hold an Aborigine’s head under water until he told them where the next tree was.

  34. OldOzzie

    Trying to beat The Australian Paywall – Someone has a sense of humour

    这并不像看起来的那么糟糕
    SAM DASTYARI
    Unfortunately the page you’re looking for is not here. You might like to try going back to the homepage
    Find out what thinks about this mess

    BARNABY JOYCE – Yeah, sorry, there’s been a cock-up. I’m not saying it was me, I’m not saying it wasn’t me. Let’s just say it’s a bit of a grey area.

    MICHAELIA CASH – Oh, you want to ask me about this broken link, do you? You really want to go down that path? Well, why don’t I ask you about those rumours about how you [rest of quote redacted pending legal advice].

    MALCOLM TURNBULL – It does rather look like someone’s been inept

    JIM MOLAN – The link’s broken, but as far as internet cock-ups go take it from me: it could be worse.

    SAM DASTYARI – 这并不像看起来的那么糟糕 – Translates to “This is not as bad as it looks”

    GEORGE CHRISTENSEN – If this busted link doesn’t fix itself in the next 30 seconds, I’ll quit. I totally will. No, I really mean it this time. I’m gone! Pulling the pin! Outta here! Okay, I’m not going to quit. Sorry if I gave you the impression I was going to resign.

    BOB KATTER – This reminds me of the time [laughs] when I was a young fella and [very high-pitched bit, not immediately clear what is being said] and [explosive laughter] so I said show me the piglet then [laughter to the point where the hat shifts] and he said [explosive giggle] you’ve come to the wrong place! [Wipes tear from eye.] But seriously, if we’re going to talk about errors, let’s talk about the supermarket duopoly that has a stranglehold on this country.

    THE HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA – Didn’t expect to find yourself here, did you? Neither did anyone else. Join the queue.

    FRASER ANNING – It’s a toss up which broke faster: the link you clicked on, or my link with One Nation. Let’s call it a tie.

    MATT CANAVAN – Che sarà, sarà

    LARISSA WATERS – Look, there’s been a bit of a hiccup. But can we fix it? Yes we Canada!

    SCOTT LUDLAM -Sorry, it turned out that link you clicked on also owed allegiance to another server. It’s not eligible to sit in this website.

    PAUL KEATING -This is the 404 page we had to have.

    TONY ABBOTT – Sorry the drink is br… The brink is loken. The ink is… Come on, Tony, you can do this – it was only a few bottles. The link is broken. Yes, the link is broken! I did it! I have to lie down for a bit now

    PETER DUTTON – I can’t believe a newspaper calling itself The Australian would give you a busted link. More like The unAustralian, am I right?

    BRONWYN BISHOP -As you find yourself stranded here on the golf course of life, just remember that no one’s to blame – it’s the system that’s let us all down.

    BILL SHORTEN -Obviously you can’t read the article you were looking for, but I’m sure you’d agree with everything it said.

    SCOTT MORRISON – Your chances of finding that story you were looking for are about as good as finding me on Ray Hadley’s show.

    JULIE BISHOP –

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE – Off the record, I think we may have a little problem.

    CLIVE PALMER – Ask Hedley Thomas once he gets off his Skype call with Rupert. #yesRupert

    GEORGE BRANDIS -If this is going to be like explaining metadata to David Speers, kindly count me out.

    ERIC ABETZ- This error is just a distraction. Ordinary Australians want us focused on jobs, growth, the economy, union corruption, the ABC, and the return of Tony Abbott.

    JULIA GILLARD – There’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the Dogs than there is of you finding that article here. Move forward.

    KEVIN RUDD – Look, folks, can I just simplify the conundrum at hand? It will be transparent to even the least inquiring of intellects that what we are in the grip of an occurrence that surely bears more than a passing – and might I add uncanny – resemblance to a situation this unhappy little Vegemite once found himself in while in Copenhagen with the rodent-copulators of the Middle Kingdom. Furthermore…

    CORY BERNARDI -It’s not just the swamp in Washington that needs to be drained. We have a bit of cleaning up to do on this website as well. #MakeTheAustralianGreatAgain

    PENNY WONG – [Says nothing, just arches an eyebrow meaningfully]

    PETER COSTELLO – Sometimes it’s about the procreation – one for mum, one for dad, one for Australia. But sometimes, as this page reminds us, it’s just rooted without any outcome.

    PAULINE HANSON – Fellow Australians, if you are seeing this message now, it means the link has been murdered. Do not let its passing distract you for even a moment. For the sake of our children and our children’s children, you must fight on.

    JOH BJELKE-PETERSEN – Now don’t you worry about this.

    JOHN HOWARD – This article might be down, but the times will come to suit it.

    ROBERT MENZIES – Fellow Australians, it is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that the page you requested is not here.

    GOUGH WHITLAM – Sorry, comrades, it must have been my aura.

    MALCOLM FRASER – Life wasn’t meant to be easy, but take heart, this story will eventually turn up.

    BOB HAWKE – Any story that doesn’t turn up in the right place is a bum.

    BILL HEFFERNAN – When I was a kid we used to blow stumps out on the farm, 50 years ago. We’d get some nitropril, a quart of distillate, a plug of jelly and a detonator, light the bloody thing and it would all go to buggery. That link you just clicked on is like one of those tree stumps – completely blown to buggery. Look, I don’t think I can make it any bloody clearer than that.

    BOB BROWN – You’re reading The Australian – hate media central. What did you expect?

    ROBERT ASKIN -When I find out who’s responsible, I will run over the bastard.

    HENRY PARKES – This is a miracle of error for which we shall have to answer as for a gigantic sin.

    ROB OAKESHOTT- I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about how to explain this error to you. As with any explanation, there are choices to be made. And none of these choices are easy, I can tell you. They have to be carefully weighed and evaluated, each one held up to the light. I haven’t been sleeping much while I’ve been thinking about it. What’s best for the nation? What is the best way for us to all go forward together as a nation. What if I make the wrong decision? What are the consequences? This isn’t about Rob Oakeshott. As I was saying to Tony Windsor, my community is split, even my kids are split on which way to go. Is it a wicked dilemma, or a juicy, sexy decision? Even that’s not easy to decide and I might have to workshop my thought processes out loud to you over the next quarter of an hour or so. That’s the sort of new paradigm I’m interested in – total transparency all the way. Whichever way I end up leaning, it isn’t an endorsement of any philosophy, of any brand, of any school of 404 error thought. In fact in the discussions we’ve had over the last few minutes, I think I can speak on behalf of all of us that we have generally come to a pretty similar conclusion that I suspect that plenty of people that went to click on that story and were thoroughly unimpressed with the way the story didn’t appear, just a pile of totally unrelated words and faces. We have to do better than that. We can’t stick with those old ways – Australia is clearly ready to move on to the new paradigm. But there’s more than one road forward. And again this has made this a difficult decision to make. When we reach the end of these words, there’s a job to do, and that is to bring this missing story and your eyeballs together. But before I go on, I really need to mention a few people who’ve just been amazing … [edited for space]

    JACQUI LAMBIE – I heard someone mention a balls up. What’s happening?

    JAMIE BRIGGS – For the last time, I didn’t break the link. I was nowhere near it when it broke.

    ANTHONY ALBANESE – Sorry, the link’s broken. But if it’s any consolation, I have a beer named after me. How good is that?

    STUART ROBERT – It’s bad enough when a mistake happens. It’s worse when you don’t even have a Rolex to show for it.

    DENNIS JENSEN – … ‘This is a mistake,’ Orla moaned, kicking a shoe across the room and slowly sliding the arch of her foot up his trousered calf.
    ‘I know, I know,’ Trevor stammered, his voice in muffled ecstasy within the dark, welcoming depths of her impossibly black hair. ‘That’s what makes it so good.’ His fingers trembled at her bra clasp, the tiny gatekeeper that was all that stood between him and the twin heavens that lay within.
    ‘No, not like that,’ she panted. ‘I mean it’s a 404 error – this link is as busted as a preselection.’
    ‘Oh,’ Trevor said, the spell momentarily broken. ‘This is awkward.’ …

    DERRYN HINCH – This link is broken – shame, shame, shame. I’ll have a lot more to say about this the moment parliamentary privilege kicks in. I’m Derryn Hinch.

    NIGEL SCULLION – I see this story has, ah, sufficiently piqued your interest – as it did mine the moment the PM rang me to tell me about it. But something’s gone wrong. I just wish I’d known about this earlier.

    MICHAEL MCCORMACK -Ah, bugger it. First the census, now this. This was meant to be no worse than Facebook.

    MALCOLM ROBERTS – They tell me this link is broken, but I choose to believe it isn’t. As far as I’m concerned, that’s the end of the issue.

    SUSSAN LEY – Looks like we’ve hit a bit of turbulence. While they fix the link, why don’t we go check out the real estate section?

    DONALD TRUMP – Do you believe it? The Australian brought thousands of readers here and there’s nothing. Why? I will study this dumb broken link.

    SCOTT MORRISON’S COAL – Why are you here? I was just wondering the same thing myself.

  35. Rae

    I repeat:

    I think that this clever commenter could well be Professor Bunyip

    Every bitingly satirically humorous comment from him makes it seem more likely. He runs rings around those here who think they are his betters.

  36. There’s a rule book?

    First I’ve heard.

  37. struth

    Canadian YouTuber and right-wing activist Lauren Southern has been detained in the United Kingdom and has had her phone and passport taken from her.

    They hauled Lauren off a bus, for goodness sake:

    Southern was travelling to the UK by bus when she was singled out by border police and taken in for questioning.

    This is under a Faux-Conservative ‘government’.

    God help us all.

    It seems the only safe bus to be on is the Trump bus.

    Who is getting mighty sick of this shit?
    What will happen.
    They are now locking up people for having different political views in Britain.
    Only Leftism allowed.

    They cannot afford to have anyone question the global socialist plan of dividing and conquering western people.

    We better fight hard.
    We better fight soon.
    War has been declared.
    We know it.
    It’s time to fight.

  38. thefrollickingmole

    For Stimpy.
    Canadian sex god meets UK viagra junkie.

  39. Snoopy

    The Sydney Gazette wrote about the bounty being paid for the collection of the right ear of an Aborigine,”

    What? No Trove link? You’re becoming lazy, TP.

    One would think it would have been easier and more useful for the Sydney Gazette to investigate who was offering bounties. But no.

  40. egg_

    changes to editorial management the ABC had hastily put in place

    The Fawlty Towers of Broadcasting at $1 Billion p.a.

  41. Myrddin Seren, you called it right on the weekend. The UK is a soft fascist state.

  42. egg_

    The ABC’s 4 Corners tonight is focusing on the size of Australia’s immigration program.

    Yes, I will be interested to see the ABCs take on this. I wonder what their agenda is?

    Deep down they know when Big Australia implodes, their funding gets cut.
    The ABC are on welfare too, there’s only a finite amount to share.

    Does Aunty have that level of self-awareness?
    It’s probably being driven by the Unions under pressure from the membership re Gypos taking their jerbs.

  43. OldOzzie

    struth
    #2658571, posted on March 12, 2018 at 5:48 pm
    Canadian YouTuber and right-wing activist Lauren Southern has been detained in the United Kingdom and has had her phone and passport taken from her.

    They hauled Lauren off a bus, for goodness sake:

    Southern was travelling to the UK by bus when she was singled out by border police and taken in for questioning.

    This is under a Faux-Conservative ‘government’.

    God help us all.

    Even more frightening are the reasons given

    Nobody from the US State Department or embassy contacted Pettibone’s family.

    Sellner was on his way to give a speech that authorities say would cause “tension among local communities and possibly incite hatred.”

    Caolan Robertson
    Brittany Pettibone & Martin Sellner are being held in a detention centre in London. They have been there for 2 days and don’t know when they will be allowed to leave. The immigration officer told Brittany she was being detained for ‘planning to meet Tommy Robinson, an extremist”

    3:35 AM – Mar 11, 2018
    “Yesterday, Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone were detained by the UK Government and effectively declared political dissidents. The government has decided that Martin’s talk about free speech is too dangerous to be heard. Don’t worry, some of our activists will be reading his speech at Speakers’ Corner at noon tomorrow in his stead. We can’t allow either the far left or the government to silence us,” a statement from the British GI chapter read.

    Sellner frequently speaks out about the dangers of European nations taking in migrants. He was supposed to be addressing the issue at Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park on Sunday.

    Journalist and researcher Nick Monroe spoke to Pettibone on Saturday afternoon when she called him from the detention center. She told him that she is expecting that they will be released on Sunday — 72 hours after their initial detention. She has not been permitted to speak to Sellner

  44. testpattern

    The Native Commission 1908, appointed to investigate charges of cruelty against Firsts by the Canning expedition –

    ‘If an expedition treated the natives kindly it would soon be passed on from tribe to tribe ? Yes.
    Or if you ill treated them it would similarly pass along ? Yes..
    The services of the natives were forced from them? Yes…

    What makes you think Tobin went out to catch the n….. at Nadamalla before he was speared ?
    Canning wanted a native at this time to give him information, and Tobin said he was going out to look for a n……

    You threatened to report Moody for following gins with a rifle ?
    Yes, and he threatened to shoot me.
    Did you take the threat seriously?
    Yes at the time. I told Caniing if he attacked, me I would defend myself. He had threatened to kill Trotman at Flora Valley. *

    We have it in the evidence that natives were run down by the Canning party, chained up to camels during the day and chained to trees at night ? If these things were done they were unpardonable.

    You say the natives have told you they object to being tied up ? Yes
    Even recently, or four weeks ago, some natives offered to show me gold if I would lend them a gun to shoot
    four white men who had tied them up..’

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33096828

    * Flora Valley was the where the infamous ‘genocide’ meeting of E.Kimberley pastoralists took place in April 1901 where they pressed Police to adopt the methods of N.Qld and shoot Firsts.

  45. zyconoclast

    Rococo Liberal
    #2658528, posted on March 12, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    Great moment yesterday when I was having lunch with Mrs Rocco

    I hope you enjoyed your lunch but is this Mrs Rocco married to a Mr Rocco?

  46. egg_

    Ace Datura T.Pattern Bigot Detective

    Under the covers with the sister-in-law, innit?

  47. John Comnenus

    Chris,
    I’m working on depletiin them one beer at a time,

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one for Western Australian Cats – seems “The Witches Cauldron” in Subiaco, is closing down. That was one of THE eateries in Perth, back in the day.

  49. zyconoclast

    Support your wife’s sexual agency and put de Kock in his place. Way down the batting order and struggling to keep his spot as a wicket keeper. You know what to do. Now do it.

    I noticed this as well. The wife has had six well known boyfriends and I suspect many not well known boyfriends.

    What they appear to advocating is that Warner should celebrate his wife’s former(?) slaternly behaviour.
    Next step is for Warner to go the full cuck and watch on while she does the deed.

  50. testpattern

    ‘more useful for the Sydney Gazette to investigate’

    Good ol’ investigative Aussie journos huh? Back in those days they waited to be emailed a press release

  51. None

    Hsha I came across that 404 page a few weeks ago OldOzzie but was also peeved ro find the Australian has a Chinese version of their website too.

  52. John Comnenus

    Britain is a hell hole. Orwell was meant to be a warning, not a how to manual.

  53. egg_

    The sound bites have Used Carr and Dick Smith quotes

    IIRC Dick Smith is against over population – the they may be using that guise – but I reckon their Union masters are calling the shots re jerbs.
    Used Carr used the term “economic immigrants” and “country shoppers” re boat people in the Senate.

  54. testpattern

    ‘Under the covers’ …

    Join me as we go deep undercover with Ace Datura T Pattern Bigot Detective …

  55. None

    Support your wife’s sexual agency 

    The same lunatic Jenna Price who a week or so ago tut tutted Barnaby for slut shaming Campion. No sexual agency there.

  56. Snoopy

    Good ol’ investigative Aussie journos huh? Back in those days they waited to be emailed a press release

    TP, do you actually read the sludge you post?

    Mr Heath said in the early part of 1838 the Sydney Gazette led a campaign to investigate bounty hunting of blacks occurring around Port Macquarie.

  57. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    * Flora Valley was the where the infamous ‘genocide’ meeting of E.Kimberley pastoralists took place in April 1901 where they pressed Police to adopt the methods of N.Qld and shoot Firsts.

    As opposed to the Kimberly policy of waiting to be speared first?

  58. testpattern

    ‘Kimberly policy’

    Alas, poor Kimberley Policy! I knew her, Cokebottle, a black lass of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. She hath borne me on her back a thousand times. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft…

  59. Tintarella Di Luna

    Any cats at thr Jordan B Peterson talk this evening?

  60. egg_

    Ace Datura T Pattern Defective…

    On the blink, with rolling vertical hold.

  61. Stimpson J. Cat

    Canadian sex god meets UK viagra junkie.

    Why are you doing this to me?
    This sh$t is just out of control.
    Outrageous.

  62. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Alas, poor Kimberley Policy! I knew her, Cokebottle, a black lass of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. She hath borne me on her back a thousand times. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft…

    Still boasting about seducing your sister in law?

  63. thefrollickingmole

    dear oh dear…
    Fancy the goon bag commando missing out the conclusions of the inquiry and only posting the allegations…
    http://www.nma.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/19411/Yiwarra-Kuju-Alfred-Canning.pdf

    Your Commissioners feel that in his natural endeavours to provide against disaster he would consider the wise precautions of preceding explorers, and by so doing, not only ensure the
    safety of his party but an expeditious performance of the work entrusted to him.

    ….
    The charges of immorality were found to be inconclusive because of the lack of independent evidence (because none of the survey party agreed with Blake) and because Blake withdrew any charges against Canning personally. The commissioners found that the charges were the result of Blake’s imagination coupled with a ‘desire of injuring Mr Trotman’.

    It was awful

  64. Tel

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/11/bannon-france-history-is-on-our-side/

    Gosh those two look good together. If you saw them pass by on the street, wouldn’t you just want to dog whistle?

  65. H B Bear

    This one for Western Australian Cats – seems “The Witches Cauldron” in Subiaco, is closing down. That was one of THE eateries in Perth, back in the day.

    FINALLY. A complete relic. I went there a couple of years ago after a mate who left for London in the 80s booked the place and I think I paid $35 for chicken and spaghetti that wouldn’t even rival a $20 cheap eats in Freo. For a few LOLs read John Lethlean’s review from 2013 that should have killed it off 5 years ago.

    No doubt the owner will make a few million if they flog the freehold or do what most Subi landlords do – seriously overcharge on the rent and kill the whole suburb.

  66. hzhousewife

    Tinta, I think someone named vicki said she was going. I have family attending Brisbane ?tomorrow? can’t wait to see what they report back, since I urged ticket buying a long time ago and they possibly don’t know what they are in for !!!!

  67. None

    The ongoing saga of Ex Navy chief Griggs. Rumour is Chloe is wife no. 4 not 2 but no proof forthcomong
    http://bernardgaynor.com.au/transparency-by-secrecy/ but anyway penultimate wife putting the screws in.

  68. Arky

    and put de Kock in his place

    ..
    Snort.

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    For a few LOLs read John Lethlean’s review from 2013 that should have killed it off 5 years ago

    I will admit it was a few years since I’d eaten there, but I didn’t realize it had sunk so low..

  70. John Comnenus

    Perhaps the first song ever realised in an Aboriginal language, enjoy the Warumpi Band Jailanguru Pakurnu (Out of Jail)

  71. Chris

    HB Bear, you nailed the Witch’s. And Subi. Bloody shame, when I first lived there it was a good place but it turned into Bay View Terrace without even the sincerity of a Western Suburbs Princess’s air kiss.
    I am told that part of the problem is all these inheritance family trust landlords that can’t get authority to lower the rents and actually get a few businesses to replace the ones that went broke waiting for a passerby.

  72. Baldrick

    Remember scrolly scrolly past the trollys everyone.
    Every pixel in reply is a another stroke on the sockmeisters oily shaft. – thefrolickingmole

    SCROLL THE TROLL

  73. Tel

    On the blink, with rolling vertical hold.

    If you wanted to hide a coded message would you put an orange flag on the top with an arrow “coded message here” or would you look for a plausible explanation?

    Just throwing that out there.

  74. Chris

    But if you want some sincerity in your future Golden Plate restaurateurs, try ‘Bloody French’ about 278 Rokeby Road Subiaco.

  75. Top Ender

    Latest scam attempt in the email. Bit of a giveaway in the spacing of the punctuation and grammar and so on:

    Your account is suspended
    Only 2 days left ti update your patment info
    Hello ,
    We are having trouble with your billing information.
    We will try again, but you may need to update your payment details .
    Update
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    The Netflix team

  76. Nick

    Heh, thanks for posting Lethlean’s review, Bear.

  77. Tom

    This one for Western Australian Cats …

    So, Humphrey, I take it Fremental’s “restaurateurs” are low-rent MKR contestants who still haven’t done the gubbermint training course and wouldn’t know a good feed that won’t kill you because of the e coli from a hole in the ground.

    Good to know.

  78. Atoms for Peace

    The new cat manouvre is to turn your back on the trolls. You also get to check your baffles at the same time for the sneaky ones.

  79. nemkat

    Australia 50 runs in front with 4 wickets left, Saffies showing a ton of guts.

    Davey Warner should have said ”Would you like a ride with Candice in my Lamborghini?”
    If he had, we might be looking at a Series win, rather than ignominious defeat.

  80. Chris

    So, Humphrey, I take it Fremental’s “restaurateurs” are low-rent MKR contestants who still haven’t done the gubbermint training course and wouldn’t know a good feed that won’t kill you because of the e coli from a hole in the ground.

    Good to know.

    Mmmmf. Snort.

  81. cohenite

    Flannery is obviously being rolled out to bolster the despicable 4 corners last week which shat its pants about global warming as described by every greenie and spiv it dug up. There is now an official complaint to the abc about the 4 corners bullshit which has taken someone a bit of research to repudiate every point made in it; not that complaining to the abc has ever made a difference, but the complaint is a doozy and hopefully it will run in the alternative media.

  82. DrBeauGan

    I wonder how it is that your “conscience” so closely resembles the boilerplate talking points publicised for 40 years by the abortion lobby.

    I’ll explain any resemblance CL. The insistence of you and your church that abortion is always wrong runs up against the experience of individuals who are faced with moral dilemmas in regard to the matter. The case of ectopic pregnancy is one example. An ordinary person faced with that has no moral qualms about aborting the pregnancy. Someone said that earlier on the thread when his wife was in that situation.

    Now when the official position of the church is in violation of the moral sense of enough individuals, the cause of the ‘womans rights’ and female body autonomy mob is aided by church intransigence. Most people think that morality is decided by rules. When the rules of the church appear to be inhumane, they flip to different rules. The boilerplate is just loony feminists exploiting a perfectly genuine moral sensibility you don’t appear to have.

    I have no sympathy with the feminist position on abortion which has had entirely predictable and frightful consequences. Nevertheless, some of their arguments are sound, which was precisely how they accomplished the change. Those arguments appealed to people’s moral sensibility.

    The left does this all the time. That’s how they got SSM through. By refusing to give any consideration to their good arguments, you allowed them to get away with some very bad ones.

    Conservatives of your ilk have been consistently out manoeuvred by lefties. They are using people’s common moral sense against your bureaucratic morality of rules and then replaced your rules with their own. And theirs are often very nasty.

    Look at m0nty. He does have a moral sense. He has had it pointed out to him that it is better than yours, and has accepted that in particular cases. With some cause. He sees the nonsense put up here along the lines of ‘Abortion is never morally right’, compares it with common sense on ectopic pregnancy and decides he is much your moral superior. He has a case. Then of course he is led by the nose by loony feminists to absurd positions.

    He sees quite clearly that we should be kind to poofs, which is morally right, and then gets led into ssm. You can say that he isn’t bright enough to see the conflation of different things, and I’d agree, but his basic position is a moral one. That it hasn’t been thought through is true, but thinking hurts the head and has never been popular. Combine that with lazy collectivism and you get many lefties, not just m0nty.

    And it all happens because you rely on the rules. Your suggestion that nobody has proved you wrong tells us that. Nobody would say that someone might prove a joke isn’t funny, except perhaps in the discworld fool’s guild, where all the funny jokes are stored in a book. You can prove a joke is funny in the discworld by finding it in the book. You can prove abortion is always wrong. It’s a singularly bureaucratic mindset.

  83. Myrddin Seren

    Peta on Sky ( her show and BoltA’s too )

    “I have been in the room in the pre-Budget discussions. The only interest in immigration numbers is pumping up the Budget outcomes – the people in the room don’t give a toss about the impact on the punters of the raw numbers flowing in” ( paraphrasing – no stenographer here – look up their Facebook pages later )

    BoltA: ‘This is fraud’

    Peta: ‘Fraud’.

    Throwing Peta outside the Security Cordon was the stupidest thing these xunts have done.

    As IT says – it is simply a political Ponzi scheme.

  84. John Comnenus

    Re Vice Admiral Griggs bonking the LTCOMD. Now most Cats know I don’t much like LTGEN Morrison, but let me tell you what came of Morrison’s investigation of Griggs who was apparently sleeping with his ex public affairs officer. The VCDF gets a huge married quarter at Duntroon which he shared with his wife who apparently refused to leave the married quarter until she was no longer married. Apparently awkward dinners were had down stairs with the VCDF and mistress whilst the missus was banging around upstairs reminding all and sundry how tawdry the situation was.

    But back to Morrison, he conducted The investigation to see if Griggs had breached the rules about sleeping with one’s subordinates. Now Griggs reportedly argued that because the mistress wasn’t in his direct chain of command there was no breach of the rules. In a narrow technical sense Griggs was right, and that is how the investigation found. But Morrison apparently fronted Griggs and screamed at him that his defence was bullshit, as VCDF everyone bar the CDF is in his chain of command.

    Griggs is pathetic, but might I suggest that his peccadillos are none of our business except that he would enforce those rules on his subordinates. Like they say, if the Royal Australian Navy didn’t have double standards for the brass they would have no standards at all. All these guys and girls who can’t keep their pants and skirts on are pathetic.

  85. egg_

    Just throwing that out there.

  86. Um… thanks for the support Doc, I guess?

  87. nemkat

    From John Comnenus’Link at 7.08pm:


    Not a Jordan Peterson fan, but he’s talking I.Q. with an expert here.
    According to Peterson, the U.S Army found that people with an I.Q. lower than 83
    [10% of the population] couldn’t be trained up to do anything militarily useful.

    The other guy said that anyone with an I.Q. lower than 90 won’t be able to operate a McDonalds till, or be able to convert written instructions into action.

    In the United States, that is 51 million people.

  88. overburdened

    Abortion is killing. Killing an imnocent, defenceless, human. There is no moral justification for abortion. It is never right. Impossible to be right. Even Camile Paglia, an arch feminist who supports abortion on demand at any time concedes that abortion is killing and cannot be morally justified. It is an act of sheer will. Intentional killing.

    I agree with your first statement.
    Based on my experience I find the debate a bit more nuanced.

    Sometimes the foetus would not have survived and may have taken the mother as well.
    The mother may have died delivering, if the unborn child who has reached a survivable stage of development at the time of birth, and either or both may have had lasting disablement.

    This is how it was until within the last 100+/- years and when there was confidence enough in the technology and equipment to use it on the citizens.
    Citizens that are so mindless and/ or irresponsible as to become unexpectedly pregnant outside of marriage or a permanent for as long as it lasts relationship, other than those who are the victim of crime, should assume responsibility for their actions.
    The Law allows them to include TOP as an option, and it is usually done in appropriate places. MAP nips the whole thing in the bud.

    Obviously, since what rates as a common condition in the ICD10 is most uncommon in daily life, let alone rare conditions or complications of pregnancy, it stands to reason that if abortion is so common that people see it as an issue for them, the only explanation is that there’s a lot of it going on.

    It tells you more about the people than it does about the procedure.

    It is nature that the woman does the gestation.
    Men have the easy bit, if they don’t have any particular high feelings one way or the other.
    If he’s a dickhead, the taxpayer will carry the situation, or else she will get an abortion.

  89. egg_

    Flannery is obviously being rolled out to bolster the despicable 4 corners last week which shat its pants about global warming as described by every greenie and spiv it dug up. There is now an official complaint to the abc about the 4 corners bullshit which has taken someone a bit of research to repudiate every point made in it; not that complaining to the abc has ever made a difference, but the complaint is a doozy and hopefully it will run in the alternative media.

    Worst 4Corners evah!

    Some of Aunty’s j’ismists are just phoning it in.

  90. overburdened

    Please bear in mind this is my observation through my male privilege in Western Culture.

  91. None

    The case of ectopic pregnancy is one example

    Most ectopic pregamcies resolve themselves naturally so usual is to keep mum under close watch. Where there is a rupture and surficsl intervention is required, principle of double effect comes into play. This is ethics 101 and I am astounded that pro aborts keep bringing up the same tired old arguments without ever realising or acknowledging that they have been dealt with centuries ago. I am not Catholic but even I know and understand that killing the innocent can never be justified. The other thing pro aborts never consider is that doctors absolutely despise and detest doing abortions, which is why they are usually the speciality of the creepy and morally reprehensible or desparate.

  92. Snoopy

    There is now an official complaint to the abc about the 4 corners bullshit which has taken someone a bit of research to repudiate every point made in it;

    Is there a link to the complaint, cohenite?

  93. nemkat

    Aussies 72 in front, 2 wickets left. Rabada’s got 6 for.

  94. feelthebern

    Any Cats been beaten senseless at the Moomba festival ?

  95. None

    Overburdened, those who are victims of crime do not gain justice by becoming a perpetrator or an accessory to a crime themselves. A child conceived by rape remains innocent of all crimes. To kill a child for the crimes of the father is to say that I can kill you for the crimes of my father. As it is conception in rape is relatively rare but even so most women opt to keep any child and what they find is that the child’s unconditional love becomes a channel of healing for them. Of course these days what happens is that so called caring sharing authorities shove a morning after pill down their throat while they are still traumatized and trying to process what has happened to them.

  96. JMH

    Jordan Peterson enters the Pit. On with Leigh Sales on 7.30 shortly.

  97. DrBeauGan

    m0nty
    #2658651, posted on March 12, 2018 at 7:33 pm
    Um… thanks for the support Doc, I guess?

    That’s OK, m0nty.

    You can see some things with more moral clarity than others. You did a job on CL last night that earned you kudos in my book. If only you were less of a herd animal you’d be looking good. But I think you’re lazy and buy too many of your ideas by the yard.

    That’s one reason why I don’t like the company of lefties. They are too bloody regimented. Find out what they think on Trump and you can deduce their opinions on ssm, education and global warming. It makes them deathly dull. But there is hope for you. Try doing the red queen’s trick of believing six impossible things before breakfast, but backwards. Try doubting six self-evident verities before lunch. It’s good mental exercise. Also entertaining.

  98. Rae

    As it is conception in rape is relatively rare but even so most women opt to keep any child and what they find is that the child’s unconditional love becomes a channel of healing for them.

    Really? Can you share some documented evidence of this?

  99. H B Bear

    Freo is still the home of some great old school Italian restaurants. May still be a couple in Northbridge but I haven’t been out there for ages.

    If you are looking for a good meal in Subi the Lady of Ro at the top of Rokeby Road does great tasty simple food.

  100. Dave in Marybrook

    Interesting.
    I wonder if Leigh will trot out the “conservatism is in decline throughout the world” trope that Kelly and Pearson have tried on lately.

  101. nemkat

    The left does this all the time. That’s how they got SSM through. By refusing to give any consideration to their good arguments, you allowed them to get away with some very bad ones.

    A lie is still a lie, and can’t ever be the truth.
    SSM got through because so called conservative leaders and so called Christian Churches ran dead on the issue.

  102. Now when the official position of the church is in violation of the moral sense of enough individuals, the cause of the ‘womans rights’ and female body autonomy mob is aided by church intransigence. Most people think that morality is decided by rules. When the rules of the church appear to be inhumane, they flip to different rules. The boilerplate is just loony feminists exploiting a perfectly genuine moral sensibility you don’t appear to have.

    This is circular. How do we know the moral sense of this or that individual is right? Or of the majority of individuals? You cannot simply appeal to the thing in question; that is to beg the question. The only thing we can do is to state our principles and apply them to various situations, and to reconsider them in turn. As I’ve said previously, the process of setting out these moral principles begins with our moral sense, which is always inchoate, but they do not settle the matter.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    It would appear that the gritty rear-guard action from the toughest test cricket team of all time have come to nought.
    Gonna take some top quality sledging to get out of this one.
    Once again, bullies against 135 kmh straight bowling but NFI when it is a bit quicker and swings or seams.

  104. Hobbledehoy

    Yes, CL, but you decide if something is morally right by looking it up in a big rule book provided by your church.
    Some of us consult our conscience. You might give it a try someday.

    How is it that people who support abortion regard themselves as morally and intellectually superior to people who oppose abortion not only on religious grounds but out of moral revulsion?

  105. Leigh Lowe

    Dave in Marybrook

    #2658666, posted on March 12, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    Interesting.
    I wonder if Leigh will trot out the “conservatism is in decline throughout the world” trope that Kelly and Pearson have tried on lately

    Oh?
    In essence that is what we call a crude populist argument.
    “You are in the minority. Ergo … you wrong.”

  106. nemkat

    Rae at 7:54 pm
    As it is conception in rape is relatively rare but even so most women opt to keep any child and what they find is that the child’s unconditional love becomes a channel of healing for them.

    Really? Can you share some documented evidence of this?

    Course not.
    It’s just some bullshit she made up to try and win a stupid argument.

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Freo is still the home of some great old school Italian restaurants. May still be a couple in Northbridge but I haven’t been out there for ages.

    Fremantle, when we “had the farm”, used to be a pretty top spot for some sea air, and retail therapy, and I do remember some very good, old school Italian restaurants, but the last time I was there was five years ago, and it was becoming an exercise in shut shops, beggars and failed Green politics.

  108. Eyrie

    “Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2658586, posted on March 12, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    This one for Western Australian Cats – seems “The Witches Cauldron” in Subiaco, is closing down. That was one of THE eateries in Perth, back in the day.”

    OMG! Special memories for me and Mrs Eyrie.

  109. feelthebern

    8 o’clock.
    The socking hour.

  110. Nick

    How is it that people who support abortion regard themselves as morally and intellectually superior to people who oppose abortion not only on religious grounds but out of moral revulsion?

    How is it that those who support abortion go misty eyed whenever a shark, dolphin or whale, die, intoning about the sanctity of life ?

  111. Leigh Lowe

    Davey Warner should have said ”Would you like a ride with Candice in my Lamborghini?”
    If he had, we might be looking at a Series win, rather than ignominious defeat.

    He did.
    They said, ‘We’re gay. We want you to suck our dicks Davey.”
    He is now unsure what to say.

  112. Dave in Marybrook

    I’m just imagining that Miz Sales will use that idea to frame her talking points LL, I don’t think it’s a calculated argument ad populum.
    And I don’t think it’s a “thing” either. Although the Anglosphere looks left- Oz will fall to the Unions, Canada is captained by a naif, UK has had a hapless conservative mob badly lose their nerve, and of course the US will inevitably have a bit of a correction after the slaughter of the last few gubernatorials, congressionals, and presidential.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    The other guy said that anyone with an I.Q. lower than 90 won’t be able to operate a McDonalds till, or be able to convert written instructions into action.

    The upside is, you might be able to open the batting for Australia.

  114. Nick

    The upside is, you might be able to open the batting for Australia.

    Chuckle.

  115. That’s how they got SSM through. By refusing to give any consideration to their good arguments, you allowed them to get away with some very bad ones.

    Hang on, you tried this one last week but it is demonstrably false. What you argued then and above was that if only conservatives met liberals halfway, tolerated homosexuality and transgenderism, which we did in both instances, we would not have had to recognize SSM or have to pretend that men who self-identify as women are women. Complete rubbish. What your argument lacked was any attempt to explain why tolerating either would not in time led to precisely the impasse you decry.

  116. H B Bear

    ZK2A – Freo has always been a mixed bag. At least is still has a bit of character which you struggle to find in Perth at the best of times.

  117. Eyrie

    Last time I went to a restaurant in Freo I got food poisoning. Nuke the place.

  118. thefrollickingmole

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/11/actu-launches-biggest-campaign-since

    A recent paper by the former ACTU assistant secretary Tim Lyons, Organising Ourselves: Rebuilding Australia’s Union, argued for a more militant unionism.

    Lyons told the Guardian that unions “absolutely” should be prepared to take industrial actions that are unlawful under the current enterprise bargaining system, such as walkouts.

    “If the formal system for getting a pay rise doesn’t work, we’re entitled to ignore it,” he said. “The alternative is to concede we’re not going to get a pay rise and that’s not acceptable.”

    The Labor party’s policy on wages is still being formulated but the opposition leader, Bill Shorten, has foreshadowed a harder line on the minimum wage, telling the press club in January that enterprise bargaining was on “life support”.

    “Our goal should be a real, living wage – effectively raising the pay of all Australians, particularly the 2.3 million in the award system. Yes we must always be mindful of the capacity of industry to pay. But let me make it clear: we need to fix the disconnect between wages and productivity.”

    Australian business, prepare your Angus!

  119. None

    Rae-varies country to vountry and you have to rrly on on the gound dupport services as officisl abortion syats tately kept. But let’s start with SA hete that has kept abortion stats and reasons for abortions for decades (WA started to as well a few years back). One abortion due to rape in 2006. There is however a women’s support group for mothers with children conceived by rape or incest. As you can understand details of its membership is not for general public consumption. It is small but greater than the one dole sbortion we kniw of in the last 10 or so years. In Africa most women keep their children, some times at great personal cost to them given tribalist sentiments that often ostracize them for being raped. Stats from churches and ngos. I am aware of a British woman who worked with street children in Cairo particularly young women who are often raped (and then cut in the face to mark them as damaged goods). She arranged births, abortions and facial reconstruction surgery. Even young girrls in the most desparate of circumstances opted for keeping their child and some of the transformations were astonishing. Never underestimate us women.

  120. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In September 2016 Victoria Police closed its AWU Scandal investigation and handed its files to Western Australia’s Director of Public Prosecutions.

    No charges have been laid in Victoria and none are planned. Police haven’t even interviewcd the main offender, Bruce Wilson.

    Then i March 2017 Victoria Police disbanded its trade-union investigative squad, part of Operation Heracles which arose from the Trade Union Royal Commission. That decision beggars belief, particularly as the unit was fully funded by the Federal Government with $21M in addition to Victoria Police’s state budget.

    Attorney-General George Brandis, Employment Minister Michaelia Cash and Justice Minister Michael Keenan wrote to Victoria’s premier to express “grave concerns” about the “incomprehensible” decision.

    In April last year the Herald Sun carried this report

    VICTORIA Police is under pressure from the federal government to reverse its decision to quit a joint operation that was investigating union thuggery and intimidation.

    Attorney-General George Brandis, Employment Minister Michaelia Cash and Justice Minister Michael Keenan have written to Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews to say it is “incomprehensible” that he has not stepped in to ensure the state’s police remain a part of Operation Heracles.

    The Herald Sun revealed last month that Victoria Police had informed the Australian Federal Police of its intentions to end its role in the operation, which was spawned out of the royal commission into trade union corruption.

    A strongly worded letter from the trio, seen by the Herald Sun, raised “grave concerns” about the prospects for the enforcement of criminal laws in Victoria in relation to corruption and misconduct by unions.

    The task force, funded by the Commonwealth, had recently been provided with $21 million to continue its investigations over four years.

    “It in incomprehensible that your government has not stand steps to ensure your police force remains within the police task force and continues to investigate and pursue the kind of serious criminality touched on by the Royal Commission,” the letter says.

    There were 30 criminal referrals to Victoria Police and the Victorian Department of Public Prosecutions made by the Royal Commission with a further three made to the Commonwealth DPP in relation to Victorian conduct.

    Nearly 90 per cent of the 30 Victorian referrals related to the Australian Workers’ Union and its dealings with employers.

    From Michael Smith News.

    In the mid 1990’s certain A.N.C. politicians, including one Jacob Zuma were under investigation by the elite, anti fraud squad of the South African Police – the “Scorpions”, over millions of rand, received in bribes to facilitate the purchase of arms..They steered a bill through South African Parliament, defunding the “Scorpions to the point where they couldn’t do their job, and were quietly disbanded…There’s just as much corruption in Australia as in any other Third World shithole, it’s just that the Third World acknowledges the situation.

  121. None

    Err stupid phone. Typos sorry.

  122. Infidel Tiger

    This one for Western Australian Cats – seems “The Witches Cauldron” in Subiaco, is closing down. That was one of THE eateries in Perth, back in the day.”

    Of your signature dish is a clay pot full of minced garlic and frozen prawns, it really is amazing you made it past the 1970’s. I think I last ate there in the early 2000’s and I still can’t get the garlic stench off my breath.

  123. Boambee John

    John Comnenus at 1927

    Griggs is pathetic, but might I suggest that his peccadillos are none of our business except that he would enforce those rules on his subordinates. Like they say, if the Royal Australian Navy didn’t have double standards for the brass they would have no standards at all. All these guys and girls who can’t keep their pants and skirts on are pathetic.

    Some 20 years ago there were rumours of another senior naval officer who had had multiple wives bonking a journo who interviewed him for a TV program. Can’t vouch for their accuracy.

  124. Catholics and other double effect comprenders don’t have any qualms saving a mother experiencing ectopic pregnancy either.

    We just don’t use it as an excuse to justify free for all abortion.

  125. None

    How is it that those who support abortion go misty eyed whenever a shark, dolphin or whale, die, intoning about the sanctity of life ?

    and go positively feral over death penalties (life for life is morally defensible but usually not practiced because of the risk of executing an innocent. With abortion however we just kill the innocent with impunity).

  126. Oh dear Dr BG jumps the Monty shark

  127. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Attorney-General George Brandis, Employment Minister Michaelia Cash and Justice Minister Michael Keenan have written to Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews to say it is “incomprehensible” that he has not stepped in to ensure the state’s police remain a part of Operation Heracles.

    Allowing socialists into power is like sending the fox into the henhouse. Leftism is more than just a mental illness it is a criminality.

  128. DrBeauGan

    This is circular. How do we know the moral sense of this or that individual is right?

    This question reminds me of a bureaucrat who wanted to know “What should our policy position be on this?” He asked it about almost anything. It’s a bit like asking how can we tell when a joke is really funny. Or how can we tell when a piece of music is good. Or a painting beautiful.

    I don’t see any hope for you DB when you ask questions like that. If you can’t recognise the mental framework within which you are operating, you’ll never get out of it. It’s a nonsense question.

    The only observation I can make which might be helpful is that the moral sense we are born with is rather rudimentary, but as we experience life and read the Bible and the Pali Canon and talk to adults, it grows and develops. And different people tend generally to develop in the same direction. And others simply make moral decisions by following the crowd or some authority.

    And that’s all we’ve got.

  129. DrBeauGan

    We just don’t use it as an excuse to justify free for all abortion.

    Neither do I, Notafan.

    Oh, and we should be kind to everyone. Even m0nty.

  130. Snoopy

    “Our goal should be a real, living wage – effectively raising the pay of all Australians, particularly the 2.3 million in the award system.

    Why isn’t the removal of the gender pay gap embedded in industrial awards Shorten’s first priority? Doesn’t he give a shit?

  131. Confused Old Misfit

    Peterson +1 ABC 0

  132. Confused Old Misfit

    Oh, and we should be kind to everyone. Even m0nty.

    Kind? No. Civil? Yes.

  133. Roger.

    Isn’t the “welcome to country” ceremony proof that Australia was settled, largely peacefully, and not invaded?

    You don’t welcome an invader to your country.

    Use as you wish, good people.

  134. Snoopy

    SSM got through because so called conservative leaders and so called Christian Churches ran dead on the issue.

    If only the establishment churches ran dead. Even Jesuits publicly supported SSM.

  135. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I don’t see any hope for you DB when you ask questions like that. If you can’t recognise the mental framework within which you are operating, you’ll never get out of it.

    It’s not an unusual problem, it seems for the majority identifying one’s mental framework is virtually impossible.

  136. Rae

    8 o’clock.
    The socking hour.

    What? That can’t be right.

    egg said it was 3.00 pm till 10.30pm.

    But he also said it was 6.30pm.

  137. None

    I have the example of SA which keeps stats nemkat. One abortion due to rape in 2006. Getting those stats out of gov is like pulling teeth but they have them. The support group is a reality. There may be more than the one I know. Happy to be corrected. But one abortion versus several kids says majority keep. Of course I will support any move to have proper abortion stats collated in Australia. You however have no evidence that majority abort. Even so that is not a justification for abortion. The abortion in rape wawa -one of the rarest cases ever -is just another stock standard lazy shallow and dare I say virtue signalling argument from pro aborts that does not stand up. Abortion is killing; it is the killing of innocents. There is no moral justification for killing innocents. Ever.

  138. Delta A

    How is it that those who support abortion go misty eyed whenever a shark, dolphin or whale, die, intoning about the sanctity of life ?

    Good point, Nick.

  139. Rae

    No matter really. Can’t say that I’ve seen any socks here. Just a bunch of dills imagining they’ve seen socks.

    I have seen a Twitter roach scuttle across the page a couple of time. It was very shouty early on.

  140. Leigh Lowe

    Eyrie

    #2658688, posted on March 12, 2018 at 8:13 pm

    Last time I went to a restaurant in Freo I got food poisoning. Nuke the place.

    In 2014 we were driving through Freo in a convertible.
    Next thing there was a thump on the back of my head and a splattered red mist on the dashboard.
    Mrs L immediately thought she was Jackie O and I was going home in a box.
    “Steady on”, I said. “Don’t look around. Don’t react. It’s a handful of chips and sauce from the pub balcony. And whatever you do … DO NOT EAT THEM!”

  141. Leigh Lowe

    The bad news is that the Saffies are chasing 100 to win.
    The worse news is that Damien Martyn isn’t in their batting line up.

  142. LNP insider

    Now that the Brandis replacement is out of the way, there is plenty of moves afoot to get rid of O’Sullivan and Ian McDonald. There is also some discussion about the party executive.

    Names circulating to challenge O’Sullivan include pastoralist Susan MacDonald, former state MPs Lawrence Springborg and Andrew Cripps, party vice president Councillor Cameron O’Neil, plus weekend senate candidates Councillor Amanda Camm and Gerard Rennick.

    The McDonald spot is less clear but some of the candidates from the weekend are possibilities – Harding and Wines. A few Cairns and Townsville figures are also being mentioned.

  143. woolfe

    Wasn’t the Welcome to Country ceremoney invented by Ernie Dingo? Though maybe an auntie says he was around when first fleet arrived.

  144. DrBeauGan

    What your argument lacked was any attempt to explain why tolerating either would not in time led to precisely the impasse you decry.

    Because it is easier to defend drawing a line in a defensible place. I said we should be kind to poofs and trannies. That would entail pointing out to them that there is something wrong with the way their brains work. I’ve made the case for that ages sgo. The problem is that sentimental people interpret being kind to poofs and trannies as pretending their lunacies are sane and normal when they aren’t. I interpret kindness quite differently. I think the sooner a poof or trannie learns that we all really think they are twisted sickos the better. Well intentioned sentimentalists cause a lot of harm.

    I believe in tough love. That means being civil and not throwing them off tall buildings, but telling them that they give most people the creeps to one level or another, and the only reason we don’t keep telling them is that we are too polite. And we don’t throw them off tall buildings because we are too civilised.

    The bishops stuffed up big time on getting this across.

  145. Infidel Tiger

    The bad news is that the Saffies are chasing 100 to win.
    The worse news is that Damien Martyn isn’t in their batting line up.

    Looks like no Rabada for the series, so we are still a sniff.

  146. Snoopy

    The bishops stuffed up big time on getting this across.

    Assuming they wanted to.

  147. cohenite

    Snoopy

    #2658658, posted on March 12, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    There is now an official complaint to the abc about the 4 corners bullshit which has taken someone a bit of research to repudiate every point made in it;

    Is there a link to the complaint, cohenite?

    It’ll be up at either Jennifer or Jo’s blog; keep an eye out. A taste:

    Example 1)

    1.1) From the transcript:
    “MARTIN ROYDS, Jillamatong Beef, Braidwood NSW: The temperatures are more erratic, we seem to get frosts in the middle of summer, we’ve had frosts nearly on Christmas day. We’re getting hot, dry weather in the middle of winter. so the climates got a lot more erratic.”
    A simple Google search for ‘Summer frost NSW Australia’ yielded 428,000 hits, but nothing of relevance was found. A similar search for ‘hot winter day NSW Australia’ yielded only a report of a single warm day of 26 0C in Sydney in July 2017. However, Sydney is incomparable climatically because Braidwood is located at an altitude of about 690m (2,250 feet), in The Tablelands east of Canberra.
    So, what does the Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) have to say? Quite a lot actually. They opened a weather station at Braidwood Racecourse in 1985, and:
    There was a solitary rather cold overnight Summer minimum of 2.3 0C on the 17/Feb/2017, but it was consistently colder in past decades (figure 1).
    There was a solitary warm winter day maximum of 20.9 0C on 22/August/2015, but again, it was consistently warmer in the past, with a notable cluster of up to 22.3 0C in 1995 (figure 2).

    1.2) From the Transcript:
    MARTIN ROYDS: Yes we have 130 years of rainfall and temperature graphs. Since 1985 to now, the temperatures have been increasing .8 of a degree per decade. So, in that thirty year period, it’s gone up 2.4 degrees, maximum temperature.
    However, that would be an eight-degree rise per century, or implausibly about eight times greater than the Australian average as stated by the BoM’s Dr Braganza at 5 video-minutes. Also, the BoM data show no discernible warming trend in the summertime maxima at the racecourse (figure 2).

    1.3) From the Transcript (summarising Mr Royds’ views):
    “MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: All around the district the dams have been drying up… Braidwood slipped into drought once again and it’s taking a heavy toll on the local farmers.”
    However, the available BoM rainfall data for the Racecourse reveals no discernible rainfall reduction trend since 1985 and nothing unusual in annual variability apart from a drier period in the 1990’s (figure 3).

    1.4) From Mr Royds’ website:
    He runs a business which provides accommodation for up to 52 people to “Live, Learn, Relax at Tombarra” to engage in conferences and workshops etcetera focussing on land and environmental matters. The possibility that he might gain financial benefits from the claims made above should have caught the notice of any nonaligned investigative reporter.

  148. DrBeauGan

    To be fair to the bishops, it must be hard for them to argue that a man walking around in a long dress is a sign of something wrong with his brain.

  149. egg_

    3.00 pm till 10.30pm.

    also… 6.30pm.

    That’s the arvo shift.
    Note today’s roster – late start Mondays.

    /You’re welcome.

  150. Rae

    Wasn’t the Welcome to Country ceremoney invented by Ernie Dingo? Though maybe an auntie says he was around when first fleet arrived.

    Ernie wasn’t there in 1788. If he was, my First Fleet ancestor would have mentioned it.

  151. Delta A

    LNP insider
    #2658717, posted on March 12, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    Thanks, LNP insider. I appreciate your tips. I’d like to know how and where you obtain them, but if they’re genuine, I guess it doesn’t matter.

  152. nemkat

    None at 8:42 pm
    I have the example of SA which keeps stats nemkat. One abortion due to rape in 2006.

    Thanks, None.
    I think there may be other stats that show most Rapes aren’t reported.
    Maybe there was some miracle case somewhere once, but i think intuition would tell you that in the vast majority of cases, no good ever came from raising a child conceived by Rape.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    Looks like no Rabada for the series, so we are still a sniff

    Yeah.
    He needs to be rubbed out.
    He is offensive.
    Our FTBs find his late outswing and seam movement at 145 clicks REALLY offensive.
    .
    .
    Fuck me.
    He brushed past Sniffy Smiff.
    Give me a break.

  154. testpattern

    Spartacus in Roebourne. The Fourth Servile War, Slaves Revolt 1904. Hooray!

    THIRTEEN DASH FOR LIBERTY POLICE IN PURSUIT.

    ‘There was much excitement in Roebourne when it be came known that 13 aboriginal prisoners, forming portion of a road gang making a new road to the cemetery, had escaped.

    The gang was composed of about 70 natives in charge of two warders, and both unarmed, proceeded as usual to work. When, however, the warders commenced to chain a portion of the gang to the barrows, 13 men, without the slightest warning, made a dash for liberty. The warders were entirely helpless to prevent their escape, having to watch the remainder. The police and trackers are after the escapees, who are all Kimberley natives.

    The last escape of natives from Roebourne occurred on Xmas eve 1901, when 44 got clear away. Some
    have never been recaptured.’

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/213835363?browse=ndp%3Abrowse%2Fplace%2FWestern%20Australia%2FM%2Ftitle%2F1120%2F1904%2F01%2F02%2Fpage%2F23216316%2Farticle%2F213835363

  155. egg_

    How is it that those who support abortion go misty eyed whenever a shark, dolphin or whale, die, intoning about the sanctity of life ?

    SHY’s near relo’s?

  156. Nick

    To be fair to the bishops, it must be hard for them to argue that a man walking around in a long dress is a sign of something wrong with his brain.

    One I know is a known cross dresser who lives with his young, Italian ‘manservant’.

  157. Snoopy

    Thank you, cohenite. I’m shocked by Michael Brissenden’s performance. He’s one of the ABC’s more ethical journalists if memory serves me correctly.

  158. Roger.

    Looks like no Rabada for the series, so we are still a sniff

    If we’re not facing their best, what’s it worth?

  159. Roger.

    I’ve just watched Leigh Sales interview Maladroit & JP, having abstained from 7:30 for some time.

    She’s terrible…no gravitas, no timing, interrupts, chirps like a bird, a lightweight.

  160. John Constantine

    ABC now telling us that mass immigration has made us so strong that we can now afford to end single persons transporting themselves in cars in our cities.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    cohenite

    #2658732, posted on March 12, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

    Muslims and knifes. Ban guns.

    No.
    Ban chopsticks.
    Then everyone would have knives.
    Oh, and the plural of knife is knives… not knifes.

  162. Infidel Tiger

    Rabada is the best young bowler on a long time.

  163. Snoopy

    Names circulating to challenge O’Sullivan include pastoralist Susan MacDonald, former state MPs Lawrence Springborg

    The Borg is sound, He’ll be no chance.

  164. John Constantine

    Living too long, them proles.

    The cure for racism is death panels for elderly tories.

  165. Delta A

    The cure for racism is death panels for elderly tories.

    Oops! That’s me gone, then.

  166. Motelier

    Yaaaahhhhhhh!!,.

    The work experience kiddies at the News Mail are salivating at having a front row seat for possible TC Linda.

    Possible TC Linda is in embryonic stage south of the Solomon Island ( yes kiddies, that is on the limits of the BOM ) travelling south. According to the BOM, PTC Linda has a less than 50% chance that it might turn into TC Linda.

    News-Mail report 😱

    BOM is a bit hoh hum now.

  167. This question reminds me of a bureaucrat who wanted to know “What should our policy position be on this?” He asked it about almost anything. It’s a bit like asking how can we tell when a joke is really funny. Or how can we tell when a piece of music is good. Or a painting beautiful.

    I don’t see any hope for you DB when you ask questions like that. If you can’t recognise the mental framework within which you are operating, you’ll never get out of it. It’s a nonsense question.

    The question is an excellent one. You can’t at once claim that morality is like aesthetics, and then assert that my moral claim re ectopic pregnancy is morally imbecilic. If my claim was just a matter of taste it is precisely on the same ground as yours; if it is morally imbecilic you have to provide reasons, not merely appeal to your moral sense or that of others.

    The only observation I can make which might be helpful is that the moral sense we are born with is rather rudimentary, but as we experience life and read the Bible and the Pali Canon and talk to adults, it grows and develops.

    Oh, this sounds pretty much like what I stated above but which you failed to include in the above quotation, namely: The only thing we can do is to state our principles and apply them to various situations, and to reconsider them in turn. As I’ve said previously, the process of setting out these moral principles begins with our moral sense, which is always inchoate, but they do not settle the matter.

  168. Roger.

    Rabada is the best young bowler on a long time.

    Yep.

  169. John Constantine

    We must mass import more socialist voters to wipe the arses of the baby boomers says their abc.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    Roger.

    #2658735, posted on March 12, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    Looks like no Rabada for the series, so we are still a sniff

    If we’re not facing their best, what’s it worth?

    They have totally owned the headspace of L’il Davey since halfway through the First Test.
    The Saffies need to play their trump card … name Sonny Bill Williams in their 13 for the Third Test.

  171. John Constantine

    We must have a managed conversation about how we change who we are so we can cope with what is coming, this lectured to us by fourteen acres of Stalinist activist.

  172. zyconoclast

    egg_
    #2658650, posted on March 12, 2018 at 7:33 pm
    Just throwing that out there.

    This one is better:

  173. Beertruk

    I’ve just watched Leigh Sales interview Maladroit & JP, having abstained from 7:30 for some time.

    She’s terrible…no gravitas, no timing, interrupts, chirps like a bird, a lightweight.

    Same same. The Waffler waffled and Jordan Peterson ran rings around her and none of her ‘gotcha questions’ worked on him .

  174. overburdened

    Overburdened, those who are victims of crime do not gain justice by becoming a perpetrator or an accessory to a crime themselves. A child conceived by rape remains innocent of all crimes. To kill a child for the crimes of the father is to say that I can kill you for the crimes of my father. As it is conception in rape is relatively rare but even so most women opt to keep any child and what they find is that the child’s unconditional love becomes a channel of healing for them. Of course these days what happens is that so called caring sharing authorities shove a morning after pill down their throat while they are still traumatized and trying to process what has happened to them.

    So you would agree that a mother should forfeit her life to provide birth to a child that may predictably die at a young age and/ or require personal care for their however long their life is?

  175. Marcus

    They have totally owned the headspace of L’il Davey since halfway through the First Test.

    Speaking of which, can any Cat out there dig out the predictions we made as to what Smith would average in this tour during the Ashes?

    I think I had him down for 48, which is looking pretty generous at this stage.

  176. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2658744, posted on March 12, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Rabada is the best young bowler on a long time.

    Well, shit, move him to Tarneit and let him do home invasions in the Shield off-season.
    There has to be a pearl amongst all this African immigration.

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Isn’t the “welcome to country” ceremony proof that Australia was settled, largely peacefully, and not invaded?

    You don’t welcome an invader to your country.

    Use as you wish, good people.

    This is the hard truth that Pestes and the rest of the Faux Aborigines can’t handle. Australia was settled, largely peacefully. Nineteen white settlers murdered at Cullien La Ringo, or Mrs Fraser and her children, speared at Hornet Bank, are hardly Isandlwana or Little Big Horn, are they?

  178. Marcus

    Looks like no Rabada for the series, so we are still a sniff

    Of course, that means they can just bring back Dale Steyn.

  179. Roger.

    Rabada is the best young bowler on a long time.

    Yep.

    He reminds me of a strapping young Melanesian I faced in Brisbane grade cricket.

    Quicker than anything I ever experienced. Through you before you shaped up for a shot.

    But Rabada is obviously on another level again.

    I often wonder what happened to that young fellow; Barry Toey was his name, iirc.

  180. nemkat

    Of course these days what happens is that so called caring sharing authorities shove a morning after pill down their throat while they are still traumatized and trying to process what has happened to them.
    Not sure about shoving a Morning After pill down their throat, but the suggestion doesn’t sound like a bad idea for someone in that situation.

  181. overburdened

    your use of an example of a victim of crime as facing a moral dilemma to illustrate your point on the unconditional right of a foetus to progress to birth is poor.
    BTW MAP stops a foetus developing by inducing menstruation.
    At that time there are no formed organs, skeleton or anything else to identify the rapidly multiplying fertilised ovum as a person.

  182. overburdened

    BBTW
    I would say that MAP is redundant in a significant amount of cases.
    It’s a Just-In-Case on the taxpayer.

  183. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Not to be outdone, the Bondi Arctic J* wish Secret Society presents their own version of unwelcome to country

  184. At that time there are no formed organs, skeleton or anything else to identify the rapidly multiplying fertilised ovum as a person.

    Then why are they using MAP, to prevent the development of an aardvark?

  185. nemkat

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2658774, posted on March 12, 2018 at 9:19 pm

    Cullinlaringo and Hornet Bank are the same place.
    Sounds to me like you’re making shit up again.

  186. None

    I agree with supporting victims of rape, overburdened.

  187. OldOzzie

    Just watched the National Geographic PUTIN: THE NEW EMPIRE on Fetch TV with my wife. 0n tomorrow at 1430

    Vladimir Putin has made it his mission to restore Russia to superpower status. This film examines how he is doing this and what it is that makes this man such a hero to his country while being an enemy to so many across the Western world.

    Again reinforces my feeling that Putin is the best leader in the World today – Worth Watching

    Would also recommend – National Geographic – FACING VLADIMIR PUTIN

    Told through the point of view of their biggest rivals, these are the stories behind the world’s greatest icons. Featuring cutting edge visuals, this episode delves into the dark world of former KGB man Vladimir Putin.

    and Oliver Stone The Putin Interviews SBS On-Demand

    Oscar-winning writer-director Oliver Stone conducts a revealing series of interviews with Vladimir Putin, the enigmatic Russian president who has never before spoken at length or in detail to a Western interviewer. Prodded by Stone over the course of two years, Putin confronts a host of critical topics in candid detail, including his long-term grip on power, his personal relationships with Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump, Edward Snowden’s asylum in Moscow, as well as allegations of election meddling and fostering turmoil in Syria.

  188. Once again DrBG resorts to the puerile ‘man in a dress’ comment so popular with bigots, all sorts.

    If you cannot comprehend the difference between a cassock and a dress, you can hardly be expected to comprehend a medical intervention to save a mother’s life where a pregnancy is already doomed and her life in grave danger and the not human til I say so view of the Montys of the world.

    I’m sure Monty is having a little giggle at having the already licit double effect scenario used as a bizarre recasting of what abortion really is (murder) for the simple minded when his real purpose is to use it to open the door for abortion ,all sorts.

    Still chalk that up as some sort of win for Team Kill.

    And yes terms like conscience and free will are ours.

    Though we usually prefer ‘well formed consciences’

    let’s ask that man in a dress, again

  189. DrBeauGan

    You can’t at once claim that morality is like aesthetics, and then assert that my moral claim re ectopic pregnancy is morally imbecilic.

    Yes I can. If you claimed that a Hallmark picture of a ktten staring at you from a boot is a beautiful work of art, I should declare you an aesthetic imbecile.

  190. overburdened

    That pissweak response ends the discussion from my perspective.
    Dover- one would pull out stops to see what sort of strange hybrid vigour there would be if a woman had an aardvark.

  191. Mitch M.

    Are the Brains of Transgender People Different from Those of Cisgender People?

    No answers to be found here and using measurements of cerebral volume ignores a whole lot of other dynamics but to their credit they did look at diffusivity: a measure of white matter. If anything it is a very mixed picture with the suggestion of differences. Given the slow maturation of the human brain we need to consider the environmental contingencies are relevant; perhaps including factors like xenoestrogens(very common in nature and artificial compounds) and anti-androgens(very rare if at all present in nature). Then there is the issue of aromatase, an enzyme that converts T to E and aromatase inhibitors are used to enhance sperm counts. So declining sperm counts might be accounted for by the two above and possibly obesity and vitamin D deficiency.

  192. DrBeauGan

    Nick, I bet your pervert priest was in favour of ssm.

  193. None

    BTW MAP stops a foetus developing by inducing menstruation.

    the sort of sophistry we wimen are barraged with by “wymmin’s medicine” becsuse hod jelp us ww don’t deserve full infotmation nor have a right to fully informed consent?

    At that time there are no formed organs, skeleton or anything else to identify the rapidly multiplying fertilised ovum as a person.

    tell me, when you were a ‘fertilized ovum’ ehat wete you? Were you human? Were you alive? If not what were you? Enquiring embryologists would like to know.

  194. overburdened

    Mitch.M
    I think glial cells are the issue.
    Why people would waste money on trying to figure out the difference between the brains of homo’s or any other weirdo when the same people are hammering the 90%+/- is a mystery.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    I had no prediction about averages.
    I just felt that the FTBs would struggle against genuine quick bowling with movement.
    I actually didn’t even know who Rabada was.
    Fuck me.
    Since Matty Hayden we have had this attitude of “dominate at all costs” and “throw your hands hard at the ball”.
    Well that works pretty well if you are Sir Viv, but most of these pussies are not worthy of tying Viv’s bootlaces.
    They will not win a series in England on soft-ish wickets against a Duke ball.

  196. overburdened

    Mitch.M
    Left out the salient point
    Why people would waste money on trying to figure out the difference between the brains of homo’s or any other weirdo when the same people are hammering the 90%+/- THAT THEY ARE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE is a mystery.

  197. Yes I can. If you claimed that a Hallmark picture of a ktten staring at you from a boot is a beautiful work of art, I should declare you an aesthetic imbecile.

    Not at all. If morality is just a matter of taste there can be no common standard. So any claim that your opinion is the standard would just be hot air.

  198. Steve trickler.

    Luna, slicing and dicing.

    Good fun.



  199. calli

    Lewis has something instructive to say on taste.

    The use of fashions in thought is to distract men from their real dangers. We direct the fashionable outcry of each generation against those vices of which it is in the least danger, and fix its approval on the virtue that is nearest the vice which we are trying to make endemic. The game is to have them all running around with fire extinguishers whenever there’s a flood; and all crowding to that side of the boat which is already nearly gone under.”

    It throws a little light on the confusion of aesthetics with ethics. One is a matter of the moment, the other is founded in eternity.

  200. overburdened

    Against my own principles, I need to respond.

    tell me, when you were a ‘fertilized ovum’ ehat wete you? Were you human? Were you alive? If not what were you? Enquiring embryologists would like to know.

    I was a bundle of non-specific cells that in no way could have an entity outside of the mother.
    Please stop embarrassing yourself.

    BTW I would hazard a guess that you wouldn’t know an embryologist if one bit you on the arse.

  201. DrBeauGan

    Not at all. If morality is just a matter of taste there can be no common standard. So any claim that your opinion is the standard would just be hot air.

    DB, I did point out that there is a fair degree of congruence between moral judgements at least in those cultures which encourage its development. The fact that many of the values of Buddhism are shared by Christianity is one example of this. The same holds for aesthetic judgments. It’s not just me thinking your preference for Hallmark over Rembrandt makes you an aesthetic imbecile.

    It’s not ‘just a matter of taste’. There’s clearly much more to it than that.

  202. Mitch M.

    I think glial cells are the issue.
    Why people would waste money on trying to figure out the difference between the brains of homo’s or any other weirdo when the same people are hammering the 90%+/- is a mystery.

    Which glial cells? Microglia are clearly implicated in emotional regulation. OGCs might have implications for the white matter differences. Astrocytes are unlikely. The only evidence I know of in relation to microglia and behavior are in relation to emotional regulation and a recent genetic study highlighted microglial gene transcription is altered in autism spectrum disorder. The problem with the latter is microglia are sensitive to peripheral immune messengers and ASD is often associated with gut issues that has implications for systemic immune function.

    They aren’t wasting money. Bods aren’t interested in our opinions. Basic research is not like that, they are simply trying to determine if there are any differences and how those differences arise.

  203. None

    I

    was a bundle of non-specific cells that in no way could have an entity outside of the mother.
    Please stop embarrassing yourself.

    so bundle of non specific cells (biologists rile srpund laughing), are these human cells or non human cells?

  204. EvilElvis

    “Our goal should be a real, living wage – effectively raising the pay of all Australians, particularly the 2.3 million in the award system.

    Good luck with that. Knife is getting sharpened for the coming restructure if this shit goes through. High award rates are wonderful if you don’t have a job.

  205. Confused Old Misfit

    Roger.
    #2658739, posted on March 12, 2018 at 9:06 pm
    She’s terrible…no gravitas, no timing, interrupts, chirps like a bird, a lightweight.

    She simply does not listen. Entranced by the sound of her own voice.

  206. Wimps.
    All of the PML panellists support the sacking of the Trinity Grammar teacher who cut a schoolboy’s hair.
    So the long-announced school photo arrives with the kid still sporting long hair, against school rules.
    Teacher takes to the scissors so the kid can appear in the photo and school discipline is still maintained.
    Note – it’s a private school which sets stricter rules than state schools. Something parents pay a lot for.
    His actions are old fashioned but work.

    PML talking heads say he deserves sacking/suspension/probation.
    Wimps.

  207. testpattern

    ‘Isn’t the “welcome to country” ceremony proof that Australia was settled, largely peacefully, and not invaded?’

    Sigh. You nullius. I’ve told you repeatedly that customary welcome to country rites are evidence of spiritual necessity, the argument often used in Native Title to prove exclusive title rights eg Rares in Yindjibarndi v FMG. I’ve given you so many examples. See the Kija Water Manthe and read Rares.

  208. DrBeauGan

    It throws a little light on the confusion of aesthetics with ethics. One is a matter of the moment, the other is founded in eternity.

    The elgin marbles and the parthenon have been much admired for rather longer than a moment, Calli. And I’m not confusing aesthetics with ethics, I’m pointing out some similarities.

  209. zyconoclast

    Yes, that is the yummy Mila Kunis

  210. Snoopy

    She simply does not listen. Entranced by the sound of her own voice.

    Given she’s recently separated you’d think she may have considered it instructive to listen thoughtfully.

  211. Dave in Marybrook

    Peter Temple has died.
    Nil nisi bonum and all that… but I found his evocative aussie mysteries very weak.
    Was he really such a demigod of detective fiction? Is he the best we’ve got?

  212. OldOzzie

    Newspolls not a test of leadership: PM

    Support of the party room is the only test that matters says Malcolm Turnbull as the prospect of 30 successive Newspoll losses looms.

    The prime minister isn’t expected to step down if that 30th consecutive loss comes, despite him using that as a reason to overthrow former Liberal leader Tony Abbott.

    “As far as the leadership of the Liberal Party is concerned it is, as John Howard always said, in the gift of the party room. That’s the test,” he told ABC’s 7.30 program on Monday.

    Mr Turnbull evaded questions on whether he would stand down or open a leadership spill, but said when he challenged Mr Abbott the polls were just one factor he identified.

    “The country, the government needed new economic leadership, right? And it needed a return to traditional cabinet government,” he said.

    “I have delivered both.”

    Mr Abbott said last week it would be up to Mr Turnbull to explain why the Newspoll test was right for one leader and not for the other if he decides it doesn’t apply this time around.

  213. feelthebern

    PM has alluded to the press pre-announcing a government change to super in tomorrows press.

  214. feelthebern

    That means more tax obviously.

  215. feelthebern

    Sure put more money in super.
    Pay for your own retirement.
    Government just can’t help itself.
    Tax tax tax.

  216. feelthebern

    Any self funded retiree who votes Liberal at the next federal election should be euthanised.

  217. cohenite

    I’ve told you repeatedly that customary welcome to country rites are evidence of spiritual necessity, the argument often used in Native Title to prove exclusive title rights eg Rares in Yindjibarndi v FMG. I’ve given you so many examples. See the Kija Water Manthe and read Rares.

    These cases are evidence of judicial activism. NT is racism; and hypocrisy since all NT claims involve merely a momentary diversion to an aboriginal group before reverting to whatever real land owner was developing the land at vast additional expense for the diversion. In computing the total subsidy of aboriginals the monumental waste of NT should be factored in. I’m sure it would double the welfare already given to this mendicant pack of parasites.

  218. testpattern

    E.Timor’s legal team that beat the best Australia could put up included –

    Senator George Mitchell DLA Piper

    ‘In 1995, he served as a Special Advisor to President William J. Clinton on Ireland, and from 1996 to 2000 he served as the Independent Chairman of the Northern Ireland Peace Talks. Under his leadership, the Good Friday Agreement’

    https://www.dlapiper.com/en/us/people/m/mitchell-george-j/

  219. OldOzzie

    Coalition backbenchers urge end to solar subsidies

    Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg faces a backbench revolt with pressure building to end subsidies for solar panels.

    Former prime minister Tony Abbott is demanding action after revelations that the subsidies could cost consumers more than $1 billion this year.

    Mr Abbott led a chorus of ­Coalition backbenchers urging the government to end the small-scale renewable energy scheme, with Liberal MP Craig Kelly declaring the policy was more economically damaging than the Rudd government’s home insulation scheme.

    “The cost to the economy in dollars is far greater than what the (home insulation) scheme was,” Mr Kelly said.

    The scheme was also criticised by Grattan Institute director Tony Wood because it did not reduce subsidies to solar panels as they ­became more affordable.

    Mr Abbott cited a report in The Australian that revealed the big increase of solar panels could drive up costs by $100 per household.

    “Australians are paying far too much for our emissions obsession. Government must end subsidies for new renewables,” Mr Abbott said yesterday.

    Nationals senator John Williams said the policy forced struggling families to subsidise rich people’s solar installations. “Renewable energy is good in that it is renewable and it goes on forever,” Senator Williams said.

    “However, the subsidies they cost us is enormous, renewable ­energy should be made to stand on its own two feet. We’ve got all the users of electricity paying for this.’’

    Queensland senator Ian MacDonald said the small-scale ­renewable energy scheme pushed up electricity prices but did nothing to reduce climate change. “Nothing we do in Australia will make any difference, we could open up new mines, new power stations it would not make one iota of a difference to what they say is climate change,” he said.

    “I think we should be at least making renewable energy compete on a different basis with other forms of energy and that means phasing out subsidies for an ­expensive form of power.”

    The small-scale renewable scheme, which is unaffected by the proposed National Energy Guarantee, gives financial incentives for homes and small businesses to install solar panels or hydro systems on their property.

    Certificates, worth a maximum of $40, are provided for each megawatt hour of renewable electricity that would be created from a solar panel until the scheme ends in 2030. Electricity retailers are ­required to buy the certificates, passing the cost on to consumers.

    Industry analysis obtained by The Australian showed the subsidy was expected to more than double from $500 million last year.

    Mr Kelly, chairman of the ­Coalition backbench committee for energy and the environment, said the government should halve the maximum certificate price to $20, followed by another ­halving in its value next year ­before it is phased out a decade early in 2020.

    Mr Wood, from the Grattan ­Institute, said the problem with the renewable energy target was that it did not have any “self-correcting mechanism”.

    “The idea the subsidy stays in place regardless of what happens to the thing you are subsidising is asking for a problem in the long term,” he said.

    “If people continue to put in more small-scale solar the retailers, more or less, are forced to support it with a price that is capped at $40 MWh.

    “That means that, despite the cost of solar coming down dramatically, there is nothing that means that subsidy comes down with it, and that business in effect becomes more profitable.”

    Mr Frydenberg declined to comment.

    From The Comments

    – Its time for Tony to be made PM again. He is one of only a few that are talking about the issues that matter to the majority of Australians. The Liberals need to come to their senses , dump Turnball, Re-elect Tony Abbott and let him put in place immediately the actions required to “START MAKING AUSTRALIA NORMAL AGAIN “. Alex.

    When the Left designed Grattan Institute is criticising the Green Left policies of renewable energy, you know they have to be really really bad.

    – We are told that Solar is cheaper then coal, so it is now time to rethink about removing the subsidy.

    What we have is the well to do getting a free lunch while the rest of the community pays, especially the poor.

    #BringBackTony!

    – Stop the subsidies now Frydenberg, they are totally distorting the energy market. It’s the biggest scam in this country & the Govt must take action now!!

  220. Struth;

    We better fight hard.
    We better fight soon.
    War has been declared.
    We know it.
    It’s time to fight.

    No, they will not give a damn until there are bodies in the street on the way to their morning half latte goats milk demi semi soy fair trade coffee., which cause their Lladro quadpedal titanium velocipede to become airbourne after running over the deplorable corpse in the bicycle only – Praise Be To Gaia! – lane.
    Sorry, bin playing the Turpsichord since 1800.
    G,night.

  221. C.L.

    You did a job on CL last night that earned you kudos in my book.

    LOL.
    Monty ended up arguing a man without a heart might survive. I’m afraid not. He is a unique case.

    To be fair to the bishops, it must be hard for them to argue that a man walking around in a long dress is a sign of something wrong with his brain.

    Why would it be “hard” for them?

    The left does this all the time. That’s how they got SSM through. By refusing to give any consideration to their good arguments …

    1. You are the left.
    2. They had no good arguments.

    Going back to origins now: last night somebody (for some reason; I wasn’t paying attention) said that it was obvious abortion was sometimes justified.
    I replied that there were no such circumstances.
    Since then, no such circumstances have been posted or explained. There are no circumstances in which an attending physician’s priority is bringing about the death of the unborn child.

  222. Snoopy;

    The Sydney Gazette wrote about the bounty being paid for the collection of the right ear of an Aborigine,”


    What? No Trove link? You’re becoming lazy, TP.</em
    One would think it would have been easier and more useful for the Sydney Gazette to investigate who was offering bounties. But no.
    How do you know if it’s the left or right ear?
    In the Southern Hemisphere, the ears grow backwards.
    There’s an opportunity for a testicles to double their money.

    FFS – goan ta bed…

  223. egg_

    How’s the sockie roster tonight?

  224. twostix

    So, David Warner, the next time someone sledges you about the sexual history of Candice Falzon, repeat this.

    “Yeah, she did all that. All that. And afterwards, after all those amazing athletes, she chose me. I’m bloody lucky.”

    Support your wife’s sexual agency and put de Kock in his place. Way down the batting order and struggling to keep his spot as a wicket keeper. You know what to do. Now do it.

    Level 1000 mega cringe.

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sigh. You nullius. I’ve told you repeatedly that customary welcome to country rites are evidence of spiritual necessity

    So, a made up ceremony is enough to prove spiritual necessity?

    More stories that “My Nanna told me.”

    “My mummy been see that big (insert name of European, who had been dead for two years at the time) riding down, shooting blackfellas like dogs…”

  226. Confused Old Misfit

    Snoopy
    #2658904, posted on March 12, 2018 at 10:25 pm
    Given she’s recently separated you’d think she may have considered it instructive to listen thoughtfully.

    Nah, the separation wasn’t her fault. Just ask her. She’ll be only too happy to tell you all about it and what a helpless victim she was.

  227. egg_

    Newspolls not a test of leadership: PM

    Trumble’s Hot 30 approaches!

    Jumping out with a ‘chute before the plane spears in, Trumble?

  228. OldOzzie

    Welcome to Victoriastan under Labor

    Victoria police deny they have a strategy to downgrade serious offences

    Victoria Police say they misclassified an aggravated burglary on a Geelong property last month as a less serious crime, after the victim accused police of having an “intentional strategy” to under-report crime.

    Jeff Brooks returned to his Conneware home last month with his family to find two unknown offenders in a blue car on their rural property at about 10.45pm.

    He approached the car but the offenders sped towards him and he ended up on the bonnet of the vehicle, being dragged down the gravel path and travelled 50m down the driveway before he slid off, sustaining non-life threatening injuries.

    The offenders are still being hunted by police.

    Originally, police categorised the February 23 incident as a burglary, before admitting today it had made a mistake and it should have been reported as an aggravated burglary.

    “The incident occurred in a storage area which has no accessibility to the main building on the property,” police said in a statement.

    “Based on this information, the member taking the initial report has errantly entered this into the system as a burglary. Regardless of how the crime was categorised initially, the set of circumstances being investigated by detectives was that of an aggravated burglary. Now that the issue has been identified, this has been reclassified on the system.

    “An error of this nature is rare and has no bearing on how the crime is investigated. A crime can be reclassified at any time.”

    Victoria Police Acting Superintendent Graham Banks said: “There is no way there has been any interference or any way there has been any direction to make crimes of this nature downplayed, this is simply a technical error.”

    But Mr Brooks told Ten News he believed there was more to it.

    “There’s a number of other offences it should have been written up as, and they haven’t done that, and I believe that is intentional strategy to under-report crime,” he said.

    Opposition police spokesman Edward O’Donohue said it was critical police data reflected the seriousness of the crime.

    He called on the government to clarify whether the misclassification was a one-off or a “systemic issue”

    Police Minister Lisa Neville said the government was not involved in the collection of crime statistics data.

    “There is ongoing auditing of statistics collected. The (Crime Statistics) agency in Victoria collects more data and reports on more crime than any other state,” she said in a statement.

    Mr Brooks’ daughter says she now feels “unsafe at home” after the home invasion.

    “I don’t want to be left alone in case this happens again,” he said.

    From the Comments

    – I can imagine NSW under Foley or, heaven forbid, Australia under Shorten. The police would have no authority whatsoever, they would all be emasculated just like they have been in Victoria.

    – The police management do the Government bidding and criminals are let off for ideology and politics. It is corruption in motion.

    – If the people of Victoria really care about ‘crime’ or energy or a viable future they need to start caring about who they elect to represent them – meanwhile the modern police force only polices from the comfort of its fortress type buildings by staring at computers – result is chaos on the streets – bring back big hairy strong men to kick but on the streets or forget it.

    – All the police commanders have been inoculated with the loony Christine Nixon Syndrome vaccine

    I can just see the new number plates :Victoria – The Violent State

    – The Victoria Police service is a new iteration of the Keystone Cops. Always good for a laugh.

  229. C.L.

    Incidentally, I’m still waiting for an answer to the question, “should doctors who kill unborn children with Down syndrome be arrested; if not, why not?”

  230. testpattern

    ‘In the Southern Hemisphere, the ears grow backwards’

    And spin clockwise. Have you never been in the eye of a tropical revolving ear?

  231. egg_

    Coalition backbenchers urge end to solar subsidies

    Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg faces a backbench revolt with pressure building to end subsidies for solar panels.

    Former prime minister Tony Abbott is demanding action after revelations that the subsidies could cost consumers more than $1 billion this year.

    Go Tones – right on the glass jaw!

  232. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    How’s the sockie roster tonight?

    Apparently they finished the psychiatrist session a bit late tonight, something must have triggered them.

  233. zyconoclast

    Any self funded retiree who votes Liberal at the next federal election should be euthanised.

    In Victoria, they can go to the front of the line.

  234. testpattern

    ‘a made up ceremony is enough to prove spiritual necessity’

    Gee you’re a moron. Customary Welcome to Country rites were performed prior to white invasion. They are evidence in Native Title claims. This is why you’re a true nullius. Your corpse is swinging on the gibbet. Crows are pecking your eyes out. The crowd is mightily entertained. And you don’t even know you’re dead.

  235. OldOzzie

    Labor’s Batman candidate Ged Kearney promises to fight for refugee rights

    Star Labor candidate Ged Kearney has vowed to fight for a more “humane” approach to refugees but has refused to say whether she would oppose the party’s current policy of offshore processing.

    Standing alongside Labor’s opposition employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor in the Victorian electorate of Batman, the former ACTU president denied that Labor’s refugee policy was a “weak spot” in the by-election campaign, as she pitched herself as someone who would campaign on the issue within the party.

    “I have had a very well recorded activism record standing up for refugees and humane policy. I’m not going to walk away from that,” she said.

    But asked if she would ever go against Labor policy to oppose offshore processing, she said: “I will within the party do my very best to be a very strong progressive voice for humane policy and at this stage that’s all I can say.”

    Her comments came in response to Greens candidate Alex Bhathal, who intensified her attack on Labor’s refugee policy.

    Ms Bhathal said it was “very disappointing” that Ms Kearney had described detention as a “reality that we need to accept”.

    Speaking to ABC radio this morning, Ms Bhathal said that the electorate was galvanised against offshore detention.

    “People here in this electorate do not accept the indefinite detention of men, women and children as any kind of reality they need to accept.

    “They are committed to getting these people out into the community and processing their claims as quickly as possible, so I think that won’t have the influence maybe, that personal approach by Ged, won’t have the impact that she’s hoping that people may accept in this electorate.”

    Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard wrote to Batman residents on the weekend, endorsing Ms Kearney as a candidate that had scope to be a progressive influence on Labor policy.

    “She was part of the campaign to defeat John Howard’s WorkChoices, successfully fought for the world-first introduction of nurse-to-patient ratios in the Victorian health system, and led the union movement’s efforts to secure an entitlement to paid leave for victims of family violence,” Ms Gillard wrote. “We need progressive women like Ged Kearney inside the Labor Party, who know how to make real change.”

    Campaign tensions hit fever pitch over the weekend with Greens leader Richard Di Natale accusing Labor supporters of racism for using the word “Namaste” in some posts relating to the campaign and Greens candidate, Alex Bhathal, who has Sikh heritage.

    Ms Bhathal has been accused of bullying and intimidation by members of her own Darebin branch of the Greens. She says the complaints have come from a disgruntled minority and have been dealt with via party processes

    From the Comments

    – Whatever it takes to win the seat. She is interested in the votes now and in the future because she knows that many refugees will be on the Government teat for their life stay in Australia, and will only ever vote Labor.

    Welcome to paradise where responsibility, resilience and gratitude aren’t necessary….if you vote for Labor!

    – Are unions so on-the-nose that so-called refugees are more important to her? Hilarious.

    – Kearney is about as interested in the rights of refugees as I am about the rights of CFMEU officials. She’s only interested in votes.

    Isn’t it wonderful to see Labor and the Greens at each other’s throats. But it won’t last. They’ll pretend to be the best of friends when it comes to defeating the Government come election time.

    – Both as bad as each other and toxic for the country.

  236. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Customary Welcome to Country rites were performed prior to white invasion.

    So you were there were you, Pestes? In the absence of a written language, more “stories that my Nanna told me?”

  237. egg_

    “As far as the leadership of the Liberal Party is concerned it is, as John Howard always said, in the gift of the party room. That’s the test,” he told ABC’s 7.30 program on Monday.

    But how many Elections did Howard win, Trumble, and how was the 2PP throughout?

  238. C.L.

    Level 1000 mega cringe.

    I feel sorry for Mrs Warner, I really do. She is now a mother with children.
    The real news angle here is the Australians getting what they dished out and not being able to take it. We all know comments about wives and girlfriends and sex lives have been standard fare for these flanneled loafers for decades. Because of the SBW tryst, however, the batshit bananas Australian commentariat (feminist division) has instead focused on the temerity of the South Africans in thinking that Warner ‘owns’ his wife or something.

  239. twostix

    Ask the beta-male if he’d tell his wife to abort their potentially retarded baby.

    That’s how you most quickly reach the shallow gravel bottom of the “moral” stance of the beta-male on abortion, a total cop out, dumping the burden on the woman and claiming moral superiority like a passive aggressive bugman.

  240. Rockdoctor

    LNP insider
    #2658717, posted on March 12, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    Cheers for the info. Any names on the Townsville types? Ewen Jones tried to appear sitting the fence but was less than forthcoming about who he voted for on the Abbott spill but was not much different to the wets on the social issues. I pray it isn’t him…

    The rest that gained pre-selection at the latest election were worse than useless. A council full of independents in name only like Mayor Hill, dodgy dealings with ALP apparatchiks everywhere, developers pulling Mayor Hills strings from behind especially with the Stadium, a city that went backwards both economically/population wise and they (LNP candidates) never even landed a glove on the ALP links to the cities malaise. Harper should have been toast but scraped in, Cripps in Hinchinbrook got rolled by a KAP candidate! Mundingburra was a chance till they preselected a 30yo nobody with no life experience. Crisifulli was the only Lib I give credence to in the Herbert & Lower Burdekin in a while but bailed to SEQ, some others in the Ayr area less so but certainly better with what the party put up in the Townsville area.

    I know a few with lapsed LNP memberships who gave up, they say the party round here is hopeless. Doesn’t fill me with confidence in the future…

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