Not only will they sell the rope used to hang them they will feel virtuous in making the sale

I knew enough of these corporate CEO bureaucrats from my days in the Chamber of Commerce, many of whom are in reality no different from public servants. Unlike the genuine entrepreneurs who built their enterprises from the ground up, the ones who have taken over these large enterprises are often as left wing as a university professor in the humanities. This is Rita Panahi quoting Jordan Peterson on corporate virtue signalling.

“People who are doing this at the corporate level will rapidly get their comeuppance … If you’re operating within a capitalist environment like let’s say the executives and management of Qantas, who are being paid disproportionately well, you don’t also get to be a social radical. And you don’t get to salve your conscience for receiving a pay cheque that’s 300 times the pay cheque of the average worker by pretending you’re a social revolutionary. It’s an appalling sleight of hand.

“In addition, you don’t get to invite the radical leftists into your corporate utopia without opening the door to a major fifth column. If you are naive enough to think that the demand of the radicals for the transformation of your company is going to end with a few requests for language transformation then you’re a complete bloody fool.

“It’s staggering to me to watch the corporate elite types kowtow to the radical Marxists. They do it to virtue signal or because they’re feeling guilty or maybe because they’re facing genuine pressure and don’t want to stand up against it. But they’re playing a game that will punish them intensely.”

“In the early 1970s when it became absolutely untenable for anyone with any moral intellectual pretensions to be on the side of the Communists … the same doctrine went underground and transmuted into this postmodern dogma that completely dominates the humanities and social science end of the university curriculum and increasingly plays a determinative role in the legislative process at every level of government in the West. It’s the same old wolf in new sheep’s clothing.”

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52 Responses to Not only will they sell the rope used to hang them they will feel virtuous in making the sale

  1. 2dogs

    We (maybe the IPA could do it) need to create a public database of listed companies with the extent of their SJW policies.

    This could then be used to assess how company performance is affected by such policies.

    Once the effect is made visible, Market discipline will soon drive these policies out.

  2. C.L.

    In the early 1970s when it became absolutely untenable for anyone with any moral intellectual pretensions to be on the side of the Communists … the same doctrine went underground and transmuted into this postmodern dogma that completely dominates the humanities and social science end of the university curriculum and increasingly plays a determinative role in the legislative process at every level of government in the West. It’s the same old wolf in new sheep’s clothing.

    Bob Santamaria pointed this out throughout the 1970s, 80s and 90s.

  3. Fisky

    I can see a number of Twitter libertarians responded to Peterson’s article to the effect that they SUPPORT corporate virtue signalling! “Libertarians” on Twitter think that it is about the “free market” in action, whereas it is obviously a shake-down scam!

  4. J.H.

    Jordan Peterson is a very articulate and insightful man. He’s very easy to listen to.

    ….and he’s dead right too. The corporate useful idiots who virtue signal for benefit of authoritarian laws usually find themselves the first to be carted off when the left run out of money and the gulags open for business within a State run slave economy.

    The Socialists know better than anybody that the untrustworthy…. cannot be trusted. They have nothing but contempt for their “useful idiots” once they have finished with them.

  5. Tom

    To have a nerdy pouve like Alan Joyce and the rest of his executive yes-men using their positions as a bully pulpit on irrelevant social issues is actually the ultimate act of cowardice: anything to avoid being attacked by the left’s trolls who have assumed ownership of the Twittersphere. In the process, they have pissed off a majority of their customers who not only couldn’t give a stuff about gay marriage, political correctness and other issues du jour, but also resent being lectured on social issues when management’s only job is to run an airline.

    Having Qantas and other corporates supporting leftwing political causes is also their frightened first response to the social media monster in the first decade of its existence: let’s try to pick a fashionable political winner to show how cool we are. But, as Jordan Peterson points out, they’ve jumped into bed with Marxists who believe they’re on the verge of destroying capitalism. What they’re doing is actually corporate suicide.

  6. None

    I noticed Qantass has dumped the Dubai stop because their customers fu k I nv hated it. I’m still not flying with them.

  7. Ellen of Tasmania

    Is there any bank that doesn’t spout all the ‘only investing in green/SJW-stuff because we are so wonderful’?

    No good going to all the effort to change banks, only to be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. But, gosh, we are sick of it.

    Perhaps a list of companies that HAVEN’T jumped on the SJW bandwagon would be shorter and easier to make?

  8. duncanm

    Fisky – can you explain the shakedown to me?

    I have no problems with Joyce putting the Queer into Qantas if he and his board think that’s the right thing to do for the company (*) — but there’s no way any of my personal or business flights are going their way while he does.

    (*) – note: I do wonder how they justify it given the laws regarding public companies, though.

  9. Up The Workers!

    Totally agree with the comment of “None” at 6.04am, above.

    The C.E.O. of ‘Rainbow Leprechaun SSM Airlines’ was playing fast and loose with the very lives of his passengers to repeatedly poke the bear with a stick, and then dump his passengers in that very same bears’ cave on a Middle-East stop-off.

    He is certainly entitled to his own views on the matter, but forcefully and loudly expressing views like his to the press, while his aircraft and passengers have scheduled stop-offs in muslim countries rife with 6th century attitudes to crime and punishment, is like walking down the main street in Jakarta, deliberately offering baggies of heroin to all the passers-by – it is emphatically NOT something that will end well.

    I too have avoided that airline ever since he first saw it as his duty to preach his version of “morality” to avid 6th century beheaders and to people who still stone women to death in pits.

    His airline (touch wood) still hasn’t lost passenger lives in the air for many years, but lives of innocent passengers can be lost whilst on the ground if the loudmouthed Leftard SJW CEO of the airline doesn’t shut his opinionated gob; stop endangering the lives of his passengers and just get on with the job.

  10. nerblnob

    Queers
    And
    Nymphomaniacs
    Trained
    As
    Stewards

  11. Shelley

    Jordan Petersen is a breath of fresh air and I am very thankful he has the limelight he has otherwise many of us wouldn’t get to hear him.

    I made a similar request on an open thread a few weeks back – I’d like a list of all those companies (big and small) that don’t virtue signal or get into the sjw causes and just stick to their line of business. It is getting increasingly difficult. The example I gave last week on the open thread was a homewares shop that usually stocks goods like candles, fluffy towels etc – having a whole range of candles dedicated to ‘love is love’ complete with rainbow colours etc. They are off the list for Christmas gifts – pity because they used to do quite well out of me.

  12. Shelley

    many of whom are in reality no different from public servants.

    Yes!!

  13. struth

    I’ll never fly Qantas again.
    The banks are all making SJW noises as far as I can make out.

    To find out which companies are doing this and creating a list is a fine example of what we can do to make a list.
    Like our Cat Dictionary.
    Separate thread.
    When we find a company bending over to it , we add it to the list, so as not to lumber one individual, and to not stop the benefits of many looking in their own areas etc.

  14. I don’t disagree with any of the Cats above.
    There is another culprit we haven’t mentioned. Governments who legislate crap like 18c (or C-16 in Canada) which effectively forces companies to expand HR departments.
    These HR departments then become all too powerful due to legal ramifications of not following their advice.
    Most HR departments are full of activists in the form of wymynses and pinko betas.

    So there are pissweak little cnuts like the Qantas leprechaun, that tall prick at the AFL etc, then there are the ones who don’t want to risk any legal action and negative attention his/her company may face, so they cower and allow the 5th column in wittingly or unwittingly.
    Even those who have an idea about the 5th column don’t give a shit because the life-span of a company CEO is about 5 years max. Take the bonuses and run, fvck what happens after.

    The boards and shareholders (who have longer term interest than the CEOs) should be the ones stepping up to the plate.

  15. RobK

    you don’t get to salve your conscience for receiving a pay cheque that’s 300 times the pay cheque of the average worker by pretending you’re a social revolutionary.
    They soon become the metaphoric dick swingers. Pretty much all of them (pollies, bureaucrats, executives etc who seek approval from leftist causes to affirm they are the chosen ones) are not as good as they like to think they are.

  16. It’s the disappearing opportunities for free choice in all these matters that is so dangerous.

    Besides, when every bank or airline or corporate entity or outlet is hammering some SJW cause or other that is actually offensive to ordinary people, it leaves those same ordinary people – who would like to spend their money on the wares offered – no choice but to look elsewhere, or to keep their money in their pocket instead.

  17. Entropy

    The NFF getting in bed to environmental groups to have them provide accreditation schemes for primary producers is another example of this kind of Trojan insanity.

  18. Arky

    If you’re operating within a capitalist environment like let’s say the executives and management of Qantas,

    ..
    I don’t think we are in a capatalist model anymore.
    It seems fascist to me.
    The government regulates and licenses and subsidises activities it wants.
    Cuts deals with the players it wants.
    Those who play along becomd incredibly wealthy. Those who don’t get to manage a suburban fruit shop until the council closes that.
    The system is a closed loop, you pay to play.
    Media is integral.
    Industry lobby group funds candidate/ party-> Party forms government -> legislates regulations to help lobby/ stop new entrants -> government pays favoured media players for bogus public service advertising-> media reports positively on governments industry lobby mates. -> government carved out more and more sectors for mates to play in-> every crisis is a chance to invent more bogus sectors: renewables, roads to nowhere, -> involve unions-> invent endless OH&S requirrments-> give union mates powers to suppress non- compliant individuals-> fund academia to make up the excuses for fascist policies-> give univesities the power to indebt generations with payment back through tax system: debts that cannot be extinguished u til paid in full-> academics rewrite syllabus to indoctrinate students.-> politisize police force-> appoint top cops compliant with aims-> cops falsify crime figures and persecute political enemies.
    ..
    We are well down the road and everything is in place.

  19. manalive

    Executive and management salaries at Qantas are no-one’s business except those involved and shareholders.
    If you don’t like Qantas staff having to avoid “gender inappropriate” language don’t fly Qantas, sell your shares, it’s still a free country.
    The whole kerfuffle was trivial nonsense from both sides, it’s not Marxism.
    I find it difficult to imagine today’s activists as downtrodden proletarians embarking on the violent overthrow of capitalism and the ruling class, they are pampered kiddies looking for a cause.
    The few genuine Marxist around today eschew green politics: ‘…”sustainable development” sustains only poverty, malnutrition and death’. They are usually slightly mad idealists yearning for a perfect society which is impossible this side off the Pearly Gates.
    The major concern nowadays is the corporatist tendency, the interlocking of big government-bureaucracy and big bureaucratic-run capitalism, you can see that working in the growth of the ‘renewable’ energy industry for instance.

  20. manalive

    Executive and management salaries at Qantas are no-one’s business except those involved and shareholders.
    If you don’t like Qantas staff having to avoid “gender inappropriate” language don’t fly Qantas, sell your shares, it’s still a free country.
    The whole kerfuffle was trivial nonsense from both sides, Marxism is more serious than that.
    I find it difficult to imagine today’s activists as downtrodden proletarians embarking on the violent overthrow of capitalism and the ruling class, they are pampered kiddies looking for a cause.
    The few genuine Marxist around today eschew green politics:‘…”sustainable development” sustains only poverty, malnutrition and death’. They are usually slightly mad idealists yearning for a perfect society which is impossible this side of the Pearly Gates.
    The major concern nowadays is the corporatist tendency, the interlocking of big government-bureaucracy and big bureaucratic-run capitalism, you can see that working in the growth of the ‘renewable’ energy industry for instance.

  21. manalive

    The above post has been stuck in moderation because I linked to a perfectly innocuous website about an old-time student activist who I quoted, but the website happened to include the forbidden word.

  22. John Constantine

    Their incoming shorten looting cartel government will structure show trial panels that will be ruthless with Tory company management and maaaaates with godless commo crony socialist company management who progress Stalin.

    The pulse of labor party maaaaates being appointed to boards and management is just companies rolling in the awful stench of socialism to cover up their original scent.

  23. max

    self interest

    I regard progressivism as basically a movement on behalf of Big Government in all walks of the economy and society, in a fusion or coalition between various groups of big businessmen, led by the House of Morgan, and rising groups of technocratic and statist intellectuals. In this fusion, the values and interests of both groups would be pursued through government.

    Big business would be able to use the government to cartelize the economy, restrict competition, and regulate production and prices, and also be able to wield a militaristic and imperialist foreign policy to force open markets abroad and apply the sword of the State to protect foreign investments.

    Intellectuals would be able to use the government to restrict entry into their professions and to assume jobs in Big Government to apologize for, and to help plan and staff, government operations.

    Both groups also believed that, in this fusion, the Big State could be used to harmonize and interpret the “national interest” and thereby provide a “middle way” between the extremes of “dog-eat-dog” laissez faire and the bitter conflicts of proletarian Marxism.

    World War I brought the fulfillment of all these progressive trends.

    Militarism, conscription, massive intervention at home and abroad, a collectivized war economy, all came about during the war and created a mighty cartelized system that most of its leaders spent the rest of their lives trying to recreate, in peace as well as war.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/power-and-the-intellectuals/

  24. John Constantine

    The whole point of the State demanding company board and management by diversity quotas instead of merit is aimed at getting more progressive Stalinist compliance in control of the means of production.

  25. John Constantine

    If your company does not actively progress Stalinism in actual measurable outcomes, guilty directors will be sent to reeducation camps.

    Audits by State Stasi will enforce compliance with the directives of decolonisation.

  26. John Constantine

    Companies actually have to report on the diversity percentage of non racists, non misogynist, non homophobic, non bigots they are promoting, and provide guilty confessions and submit active self critique management plans to progress Stalin even more in the future.

    This will ramp up under their shorten looting cartel, as he branch stacks the business sector like he branch stacked unions and the public service.

  27. Roger.

    In the early 1970s when it became absolutely untenable for anyone with any moral intellectual pretensions to be on the side of the Communists …

    Bob Santamaria pointed this out throughout the 1970s, 80s and 90s.

    And long before. The point of the absolute untenability of Communism for anyone with moral intellectual pretensions was reached long before the early 1970s. At what point was it…the vicious persecution of the Russian church from almost the moment the Bolshevik’s gained power? collectivism & the orchestrated famines of the 1930s? the Stalin-Hitler pact? the annexation of the Baltic nations? the invasion of Hungary? the Maoist cultural revolution? the invasion of Czechoslovakia? It was rotten from the start.

  28. John Constantine

    Paying the company secretary money so she could tick the female director box on the form was the easy and cheapest first step.

    The activist directors course for wymynsys outright inculcates the drive to elevate as many Stalinist wymynsys as possible, to positions where these wymynsys in turn can mass recruit Stalinist wymynsys.

    Their ABC actually interviewed an activist wymynsys trying for a directors position on an agricultural board.

    She openly boasted that the future was using quotas to dispose of stale pale males and obsolete settler values.

    Not just females, but activist Stalinist wymynsys must fill the quotas, targeting unsound males for replacement first.

    Virtue signalling from management is just a way to try and get the lioness to rend the other bloke first, not you.

  29. egg_

    I can see a number of Twitter libertarians responded to Peterson’s article to the effect that they SUPPORT corporate virtue signalling!

    Does “Libertarian” mean low EQ?

  30. egg_

    Does “Libertarian” mean low EQ?

    One of the core principles of Sun Tzu’s ‘Art of War’ is empathy – “know thine enemy” – the only way to guess their next move(s) and defeat them.
    This means, as Peterson is saying, to identify the enemies’ core principles, motivations and strategies.

  31. egg_

    I don’t think we are in a capatalist model anymore.
    It seems fascist to me.
    The government regulates and licenses and subsidises activities it wants.
    Cuts deals with the players it wants.
    Those who play along becomd incredibly wealthy. Those who don’t get to manage a suburban fruit shop until the council closes that.
    The system is a closed loop, you pay to play.
    Media is integral.

    Probably why the LNP punted the local US car makers* costing the Govt $600M p.a., but pays $1.25B p.a. to employ 1,000 (FFS!) j’ismists at TheirABC.

    *Who exported products globally.

  32. Cynic of Ayr

    I stopped buying Kellogs because they pay to be on the Halal Certificate scam.
    Uncle Toby’s don’t, so I buy them.
    All was fine until yesterday, when Coles has Kellogs all over the section. Almost every shelf is covered with them, and Uncle Toby’s is a few items down the bottom.
    Was not always thus. Something changed!
    I suspect Kellogs was losing a bit of trade, and jumped on the Coles and Woolies scam, and paid for more prominent display, pushing their competitor down to the bottom of the shelves.
    Not quite SJW, but Coles and Woolies have no problem with the Halal scam.
    Peterson is, of course, correct, but it’s a bit hard when every supplier of the same product is an SJW! Some things you just can’t do without.
    Besides, I’m afraid a significant part of the populace just don’t care. Exhibit the Alphabet Marriage thing.

  33. Cynic of Ayr
    #2662780, posted on March 17, 2018 at 11:50 am
    …Besides, I’m afraid a significant part of the populace just don’t care.

    Agreed.
    Even this who do care have sunk their energy into work and family and don’t have much left over for insurrection against the marxists, communists, Fabians, another destroyers of western civilisation.

  34. OOps i must have overstepped.
    Take two with editing.

    Baa Humbug
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #2662640, posted on March 17, 2018 at 9:16 am

    I don’t disagree with any of the Cats above.
    There is another culprit we haven’t mentioned. Governments who legislate crap like 18c (or C-16 in Canada) which effectively forces companies to expand HR departments.
    These HR departments then become all too powerful due to legal ramifications of not following their advice.
    Most HR departments are full of activists in the form of wymynses and pinko betas.

    So there are pi$$weak little c***s like the Qantas leprechaun, that tall pr!ck at the AFL etc, then there are the ones who don’t want to risk any legal action and negative attention his/her company may face, so they cower and allow the 5th column into their establishments wittingly or unwittingly.
    Even those who have an idea about the 5th column don’t give a sh!t because the life-span of a company CEO is about 5 years max. Take the bonuses and run, fvck what happens after.

    The boards and shareholders (who have longer term interest than the CEOs) should be the ones stepping up to the plate.

  35. Roger.

    I don’t think we are in a capatalist model anymore.
    It seems fascist to me.

    Soft Fascist/Corporatist.

    The individual is being crushed.

    Good example:

    All the big banks ran internal campaigns to swing their employees behind same sex marriage.

    What about the employee who conscientiously disagrees? Shut up or be sent to re-education class or be fired for not toeing the company line?

  36. egg_

    The boards and shareholders (who have longer term interest than the CEOs) should be the ones stepping up to the plate.

    +1

  37. egg_

    All the big banks ran internal campaigns to swing their employees behind same sex marriage.

    What about the employee who conscientiously disagrees? Shut up or be sent to re-education class or be fired for not toeing the company line?

    Diversidee training is the new big thing in HR.

  38. I don’t think we are in a capatalist model anymore.
    It seems fascist to me.

    The difference between fascists and communists is the fascists don’t want the responsibility to own or operate businesses. They do however ensure those businesses are run exactly as they would like them to run, by enacting enough laws to control said businesses. If things go pear shaped they can always blame the businesses.

    That’s why The Greens are a perfect example of fascists. B Brown is a fascist, all environazis are fascists and the Labor Party and Liberals are fascists of varying degrees.

  39. Tel

    All was fine until yesterday, when Coles has Kellogs all over the section. Almost every shelf is covered with them, and Uncle Toby’s is a few items down the bottom.
    Was not always thus. Something changed!

    The real scam was believing the shit about high carb breakfasts being a good start to the day (unless you are a horse or something).

    I used to avoid bacon and eggs because I thought I was being healthy and “duh scientists saaaay”.

    Now I do the opposite and avoid heavy carbs and eat bacon and eggs in the morning, and/or steak, lamb mince, cheese, yoghurt, mushrooms, onions, anything fried… and I eat a little bit of toast if I really get desperate for some carbs.

  40. I saw a great comment, on Twitter I think, to the original Jordan Peterson commentary piece on corporate virtue signalling:
    “If Marxism was a company department it would be HR”

  41. Roger.

    Diversidee training is the new big thing in HR.

    Newspeak lexicon:

    Diversity = All holding the same views.

  42. Roger.

    Now I do the opposite and avoid heavy carbs and eat bacon and eggs in the morning, and/or steak, lamb mince, cheese, yoghurt, mushrooms, onions, anything fried… and I eat a little bit of toast if I really get desperate for some carbs.

    Three cheers for the old fashioned cooked breakfast!

    Tel, try adding some black pudding, sliced and fried a little on both sides.

    Woolworths sell both Clonakilty, which is Australian made based on an Irish recipe using beef and Gotzinger which is Continental style using pork (I prefer the latter). If you acquire the taste – and it is subtler than one might expect – I imagine you can find imported varieties on good delis.

  43. mh

    Instagram Removes Photo of MAGA Hat For Violating ‘Community Guidelines’

    “Instagram removed my picture of me and my MAGA hat on. WTF?” tweeted Kathy Zhu.

  44. Muddy

    Besides, I’m afraid a significant part of the populace just don’t care.

    A small part of the reason is that sometimes we, the defenders of liberty, communicate our understanding of or objections to, these issues, in an abstract way that is not easily or quickly understood. People with busy lives, dealing with the throb of overstimulation from popular culture and the feralstream media, might be more willing or able to understand the importance of these issues if they are more relatable to their own circumstances.

    Of course, you also have the retards who just don’t … oh, wait.

  45. Muddy

    NoSJW
    #2662894, posted on March 17, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    I saw a great comment, on Twitter I think, to the original Jordan Peterson commentary piece on corporate virtue signalling:
    “If Marxism was a company department it would be HR”

    If Marxism was a local authority department, it would be the recycling depot at the local tip.

  46. yarpos

    Lots of mentions of HR Departments here. One of the key things I instilled in my children when they reached working age was never to trust anything HR says, and never think they have any interest in you or your future. Human Resources, neither humane nor resourceful.

  47. yarpos
    #2663164, posted on March 17, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    Lots of mentions of HR Departments here. One of the key things I instilled in my children when they reached working age was never to trust anything HR says, and never think they have any interest in you or your future. Human Resources, neither humane nor resourceful.

    Yep. Even CEOs are $hit scared of HR. There is no higher authority than HR. That’s why they run amok and that’s why HRs are populated by SJW fascist types.
    But if frigging govts didn’t keep cooking up Human Rights and SJW legislation, companies wouldn’t have HRs.

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    you don’t get to invite the radical leftists into your corporate utopia without opening the door to a major fifth column

    As CL points out, ever it has been thus. Communism is still around and we have still to fight it.
    They want another go, different names, different places, same take-over methods, same results.
    Alan Joyce is stupid if he thinks he is doing himself or Qantas any favours by jumping on board.
    Similarly, the banks are simply adding to their public image woes by going Marxist virtue-signaling.

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    But if frigging govts didn’t keep cooking up Human Rights and SJW legislation, companies wouldn’t have HRs.

    HR is a product not an originator of these ridiculous excesses in virtue-signaling.
    So dangerous though. HR are the enabling forces.
    First they start with data-collecting.
    Then they make rules and projects for change.
    Then they monitor. Then they attack and dismiss.
    Then all opposition dies. Or goes underground.
    Welcome to communism by another name.
    Good managers keep a very firm control on HR departments.
    They make them pay the wages, do the books, follow orders and keep out of management.
    If they want advice on where they stand legally, they consult an SC, not HR.

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think we should bring the word ‘communism’ back. People know what you are talking about then.
    No pussy-footing around with calling them ‘marxists’ or ‘socialists’ or ‘Fabians’ or ‘social justice warriors’. Say it out loud and clear. These people are communists and look how communism always ends up.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think we should bring the word ‘communism’ back. People know what you are talking about then.
    No pussy-footing around with calling them ‘marxists’ or ‘socialists’ or ‘Fabians’ or ‘social justice warriors’. Say it out loud and clear. These people are communists and look how communism always ends up.

    Good friend of mine had a daughter who fancied herself as a “champagne socialist” and an embryonic Marxist. A school holidays, spent working in an orphanage in Cambodia, cured her…”How could human beings do that to each other…”

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