From the Victorian Ombudsman’s Report

Clause 9 of the Members’ Guide prohibits the use of Electorate Officers for the Member’s ‘political or party duties’

45. Nineteen ALP Members of the 57th Parliament breached this provision by employing 18 Field Organisers as casual Electorate Officers, whose time-sheets indicated they were performing Electorate Officer duties when they were in fact engaging in political or party activities on those dates. These Members were:

Legislative Assembly (57th Parliament)

Beattie, Elizabeth

Carbines, Anthony

D’Ambrosio, Liliana

Eren, John

Helper, Jochen

Pakula, Martin

Pandazopoulos, John

Thomson, Marsha

Legislative Council (57th Parliament)

Broad, Candy

Elasmar, Nazih

Jennings, Gavin

Leane, Shaun

Lenders, John

Lewis, Margaret

Mikakos, Jenny

Somyurek, Adem

Tarlamis, Lee

Tee, Brian

Viney, Matthew

Clause 8 of the Members’ Guide prohibits transfers of the Electorate Office and Communication Budget

48. Where Field Organisers were assigned to districts where the ALP candidate for election was a sitting Member of Parliament but not the Member signing their time-sheets, the Field Organisers’ work was paid for in part from another Member’s Electorate Office and Communication Budget. This breach applied to the following Members:

Legislative Assembly (57th Parliament)

D’Ambrosio, Liliana

Eren, John

Helper, Jochen

Pandazopoulos, John

Thomson, Marsha

Legislative Council (57th Parliament)

Broad, Candy

Elasmar, Nazih

Lewis, Margaret

Mikakos, Jenny

Somyurek, Adem

Eight Members of Parliament signed time-sheets authorising payments to eight Field Organisers assigned to work in Legislative Assembly districts where the candidate for election in 2014 was not a sitting Member of Parliament. These Members were:

Legislative Assembly (57th Parliament)

Beattie, Elizabeth

Pakula, Martin

Legislative Council (57th Parliament)

Jennings, Gavin

Leane, Shaun

Lenders, John

Tarlamis, Lee

Tee Brian

Viney, Matthew

Clause 8.2.2 of the Members’ Guide prohibits the use of a retiring Member of Parliament’s budget to communicate on behalf of a new candidate

50. Between March and November 2014, seven retiring Members authorised payments in circumstances where those Field Organisers were not performing duties for their nominating Member. These now-retired Members were:

Legislative Assembly (57th Parliament)

Beattie, Elizabeth

Helper, Jochen

Pandazopoulos, John

Legislative Council (57th Parliament)

Broad, Candy

Lenders, John

Lewis, Margaret

Viney, Matthew

Report can be downloaded here.

Read the recommendations and weep.

Recommendation 1 Revise the limitations in the Members’ Guide on Electorate Officer duties to:

1.1 remove the prohibition on political activity but emphasise the prohibition on party-specific activity

1.2 provide guidance and examples to Members about the types of activities which Electorate Officers may not be directed to perform

1.3 include a statement about the effect of section 30(4) of the Parliamentary Administration Act 2005 (Vic) (see Recommendation 2).

Recommendation 2 Review section 30(4) of the Parliamentary Administration Act.

Recommendation 3 Ensure the proposed Parliamentary Integrity Adviser has a training and guidance function that is appropriately supported by the Department of Parliamentary Services.

Recommendation 4 Adopt the recommendation of the Hazell Review to create a separate allowances and entitlements handbook, publicly available and kept up to date.

Recommendation 5 The Department of Parliamentary Services review current pooling arrangements and propose guidance for the consideration of the Presiding Officers.

Recommendation 6 Establish clear investigative capacity and pathways to refer alleged misuses of parliamentary resources for examination by an independent agency as appropriate, with information available on Parliament’s website.

Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police? Why not recommend that members of parliament not be paid allowances at all but rather receive a fully taxable payment and then all deductions and office expenses etc. are administered by the ATO?

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66 Responses to From the Victorian Ombudsman’s Report

  1. Singleton Engineer

    Wouldn’t happen in NSW… or would it?

    I have no reason to believe that this behaviour stops at state borders.

  2. Bruce

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  3. destroyer D69

    A slightly more critical assessment than a severely resounding application of the disciplinary wet lettuce leaf ..

  4. Tezza

    Unanswerable questions, well put.

  5. stackja

    Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police? Why not recommend that members of parliament not be paid allowances at all but rather receive a fully taxable payment and then all deductions and office expenses etc. are administered by the ATO?

    ALP follows different rules. And voters accept ALP.

  6. Robbo

    That’s a real pigs breakfast you have made of the MPs involved. Better have another try so everybody knows EXACTLY who the rorting idiots are.

  7. Malcolm

    From Dan Andrews:

    I’ve made it very clear that I’m sorry this has occurred; the most important thing here is to prove that we’re are sincere in our apology and our response, I very much prefer that this had not occurred. The full amount has been repaid by the Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party.

    If Andrews is so keen to apologise, why did he spend $1 million of taxpayers’ money trying to stop the investigation? Has the ALP repaid that $1 million? I don’t think so.
    How can anyone accept an apology from a man who has tried (but failed) to prevent an investigation? This is a scandal beyond the pale and the Government should fall over this.

  8. jock

    Better still rather than give them a deduction. Call it a rebate so bill can take it away. Oh sorry they are probably unionists.

  9. Robbo

    “Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police? Why not recommend that members of parliament not be paid allowances at all but rather receive a fully taxable payment and then all deductions and office expenses etc. are administered by the ATO?”

    Why not indeed. Of course that would require action from a decent, honest, honorable government. So Victorian voters need to provide one of those after ensuring that they will, immediately after being elected, initiate the necessary action. In addition the new government should pursue the Labor Party for a refund of the $1.4 million that was spent by the Andrews Government in tring to shut down the investigation by the Ombudsman.

  10. H B Bear

    Why do the Victoriastani Liars need to defraud taxpayers when they have the United Firefighters Union and the ambos using public assets as political advertising during election campaigns anyway?

    And with the most piss-weak Opposition in the country are still only at 52-48 TPP.

  11. I’m curious, what did taliban dan the cfmeu man know, and when did he know it?

  12. EJ.

    …so Andrews thinks every thing is hunky dory because…
    “The full amount has been repaid by the Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party.”

    Well…NO, there is still the amount of 1 Million $$ of taxpayers money the Andrews Government used to pay for trying to stop the investigation in the first place. That money needs to be repaid as well.
    So questions remain as to why the Government tried to stop the investigation, and what & when did it know about the rorts.

    So over these smarmy, thieving, deceptive politicians from all sides. So much scrutiny will be necessary in all future elections.

  13. Dr Fred Lenin

    Under my rules each offender would be fined $500,000 to come out of family assets and a term of not less than five years at hard labour ,nit labor. The party would be fined $100,00 for rach offending member . The offenders would also be barred from politics for life , the minister responsibile for finance and the premier would both be fined $500,000 and barred from politics for life the old “the buck stops here “rule . I am sure this would be a salutory lesson to the failures who inhabit the corruption filled political spectrum .

  14. Mak Siccar

    Disgusting unethical swine that attempted the lie, rort and steal taxpayers funds to keep their snouts in the trough. Words fail my ability to describe my contempt for these grubs.

  15. Pickles

    But he said sorry. The power of the apology is without limit, but only for these scum. Some people might call this fraud.

  16. Mak Siccar

    Will the pathetic Lieborals and other opposition ‘patries’ actually make any significant headway with this? I very much doubt it.

  17. RobK

    No reference to the report on the ABC site as yet, that i could find.
    Corruption without penalty. It’s not unheard of in these parts.

  18. H B Bear

    Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police?

    It’s only taxpayers money. The Victoriastani’s had already voted to spend $1bn not to build a road.

    Hard to have too much sympathy for them.

  19. Rayvic

    This alleges that some of the Victorian Labor MPs are criminals.

    They should be referred to the Victoria Police for action.

  20. DaveR

    The Andrews government allocated and authorised the spending of a further $1m of public funds on legal action to try to stop the investigation into, and prevent publication of, the misuse of Electorate Officers for political purposes.

    Because the Andrews government at a high level authorised the Electorate Officers misuse in the first place, they knew they were authorising the spending of further public funds on legal action to defend actions that were breaches of procedures.

    The legal expenses have also been used for an improper purpose, and should be refunded by the ALP organisers to the state.

  21. gbees

    “Read the recommendations and weep.” What did you expect? Politicians believe that they are above the law and not servants to the public. Draining of the Swamp should start immediately.

  22. Beachcomber

    No reference to the report on the ABC site as yet

    It’s Labor, so the Ombudswoman and Their ABC_TASS have gone into full damage control. Because it’s Labor, it will be yesterday’s news by this evening; not to be covered. The Victoriastanis won’t even know that it happened.

  23. FECB

    In 2015, when the Herald Sun newspaper first published details about the likely rort of parliamentary funds during the state election (which, in turn, preceeded the Ombudsman’s investigation) Dan the Man flatly denied the report.
    As part of his initial defence Dan said that if any rules had been broken then he would accept full responsibility for the actions of his government’s representatives.
    Surely some enterprising journo can remind Dan of his undertaking from back then, and politely suggest that he should “fall on his sword”.
    Reimbursing the necessary funds and then adopting a “Move along folks, nothing to see here” attitude doesn’t wash with most of the free thinking electorate.

  24. zyconoclast

    Watch from 11:50 – 15:00
    NSFW. Graphic details.

  25. zyconoclast

    wrong thread. sorry.

  26. Those commentators above saying refer them to the police, You can do that because they are misusing public money which is an offense but probably the police will take no action. The Ombudsman has more clout but politicians can still advise the police to take no action. What is needed is an Act of Parliament similar to the Qld. public Sector Ethics Act which applies to all persons included the State, Division 1 (3)
    Better still would be to have Citizen Initiated Referenda as in Switzerland and recall all the politicians named (should easily get a majority) and pass a law that all involved in this situation and any future are fined heavily and barred from any public sector position including representation in parliament. Australia needs to move to direct democracy.

  27. anon

    Doesn’t matter to shifty Dan and his union mates, they don’t have any opposition at all and will win the next election. Come to think of it Victoria hasn’t had a decent Liberal opposition or government since Kennett got the boot. He got the boot for his hubris not for what he did. Why are the Libs so piss weak at every level?

  28. I don’t care about the measly $300k or even the $1m. Why should the election results stand if one side cheated?
    That’s where the problem is. Even those calling for justice only want repayments and sackings. It’s always….ALWAYS 2 steps back, half step forward.
    A just correction would involve paying back monies, losing seats, going to jail for perpetrators and others for aiding and abetting and a new election called.

    I tolchoose that Australia was fvcked, and no amount of trimming around the edges will fix it.

    I’ll be voting for Dan the Man at the next election now that I’m back in Melbourne. We might as well get the whole thing over and done with instead of delaying by electing interim Liberal Governments.

  29. cementafriend
    #2666924, posted on March 21, 2018 at 5:41 pm
    Better still would be to have Citizen Initiated Referenda as in Switzerland and recall all the politicians named (should easily get a majority) and pass a law that all involved in this situation and any future are fined heavily and barred from any public sector position including representation in parliament. Australia needs to move to direct democracy.

    I’d be very careful what I wished for. There is a reason why the American Founders were very careful not to establish a full democracy. They were afraid of the tyranny of the majority.
    Look at California. Every election there is some sort of a citizen initiated referenda. Almost all are from activist types who happen to be environazis or socialist marxists. Others are too busy working.

    Citizen Initiated Referenda in Australia will mean the acceleration of Greens policies. Get Up types would be dancing in the streets.

  30. Leo G

    Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police?

    There may even be an offence under Victorian criminal law in not referring the various reports of falsified time sheets to Victoria Police.

  31. Robber Baron

    Bollards protecting the Victorian parliament building must be removed by some enterprising Victorian taxpayers and mad moozleys must make good use of some 4 wheel drives.

    Australia might well be a shit hole but Victoria is a shit lake.

  32. BrettW

    Don’t the falsified time sheets represent fraud and or Obtaining property by deception ?

    Silly me, I know VICPOL still busy on Operation Get Pell.

  33. thefrolickingmole

    Not even spare change compared to the rorts from the “well pay you after we win” Premier.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/firefighters-union-demand-30-per-cent-pay-rise-from-daniel-andrews-government/news-story/68816e8e4a5ecda140eb9f047dfb3f40

    UPDATE: A MAJOR public sector union critical to Daniel Andrews’ election triumph has demanded a pay rise of more than 30 per cent over the next three years in a log of claims that would cost taxpayers more than $1.5 billion.

    The United Firefighters Union has presented the Country Fire Authority with its latest demands for a new Enterprise Bargaining Agreement, which include pay increases of 9.7 per cent a year for the next three years.

    A source within the Metropolitan Fire Brigade said it was expecting a similar demand from the UFU.

    The union also demands that any firefighter working more than 20 minutes’ overtime be paid for a full day, and that firefighters be exempt from paying the Fire Services Levy and be able to use public transport free.

    A CFA firefighter with three years’ service is currently paid around $70,000 a year. There were at least 750 career firefighters as of last June.

    That the rotting carcass of the Libs didnt fight back against this corruption tells you just how hard they will fight that one.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police?

    Victorian Police are probably too busy working on all those charges for the unionists referred to them by the Heydon Royal Commission.

    Oh wait they aren’t too busy are they? According to the Herald Sun they’ve told the Feds they can’t be bothered charging any of them, or something. I wish I could find otherwise but apart from that article there’s nothing I can see happening.

    If Vicplod won’t charge unionists with large files of evidence against them I don’t like the chances of Victorian ALP creepy crawlies being charged. Welcome to Chicago of the 1920s.

  35. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    LEftist see this as a problem only because they got caught. The outcome always justifies the means for the left.

  36. Roger W

    And watch the ALP voted back with an increased majority at the next Victorian state election.
    Sections of the electorate seem to demonstrate a level of stupidity/masochism that defies comprehension.

  37. Catfeesh?

    According to Dr Fred…

    Under my rules each offender would be fined $500,000 to come out of family assets and a term of not less than five years at hard labour ,nit labor. The party would be fined $100,00 for rach offending member . The offenders would also be barred from politics for life , the minister responsibile for finance and the premier would both be fined $500,000 and barred from politics for life the old “the buck stops here “rule . I am sure this would be a salutory lesson to the failures who inhabit the corruption filled political spectrum .

    You are too harsh. I would let them go. After filleting, just like trout.

  38. Defender of the faith

    In my book any misuse of public funds by a politician or staffer should be penalised by restitution plus penalty. If it’s done voluntarily without having been caught then a penalty interest rate would do. If not then I think double the amount would be a good start.

  39. Sections of the electorate seem to demonstrate a level of stupidity/masochism that defies comprehension.

    not stupid or lacking comprehension, quite the opposite. Just those well known human traits of recognising which side your bread’s buttered on and the well known philosophy of bvgger you Jack, i’m alright.
    The left worked that out over a 100 years ago; soak those who actually work and produce something and give it to the blvdgers who will vote for whoever promises to allow them to continue to sit on their backsides. Once they have a critical mass addicted to other people’s money it’s game over.
    that’s the great weakness in democracy of course. Venal populists who will say and do anything to get power just for the sake of it…. and a nice pay-packet. our mate Shortarse is the perfect example. nothing between the ears, with a similar vacancy showing in the eyes, but hey, he knows what buttons to push when it comes buying votes. you only have to look at the polls to know he has reached critical mass. it’s game over.

  40. Seco

    Yes, but did they take an unnecessarily expensive helicopter ride to Clifton Springs from Melbourne or worse, accept a bottle of Grange from a building developer?

    What’s most annoying is that it appears the Liberals have no issues with these double standards. Why?

  41. The Victorian Ombudsman;

    As I said to my staff on my first day, you do not start a 10 year term with a plan. You start with a set of values and beliefs – in integrity, fairness, social justice and human rights – and in the way you work. I believe in working with people wherever possible to achieve change – and that the most impactful powers are the ones you don’t need to use because everyone knows you have them.

    Smells like a Lefty.
    The fix is in.

  42. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Watch from 11:50 – 15:00
    NSFW. Graphic details.

    Zyco we had a police task force here in Dandenong investigating Afghani gangs about the time that Rotherham was news. I spoke with people who weren’t interested, simply because “It doesn’t affect my family” or “I don’t live there so it doesn’t matter”.

    I’m a single mother of a teenage daughter. You’d better believe it affects my family and it does matter. I know people in the media who feel that it’s “racist” to try and discuss this issue in modern Australia and shut down any talk of it.

    It’s a fricken disgrace. And that’s putting it mildly.

  43. Angus Black

    While it is clear that a moral and ethical Government would refer the accusations for further investigation/prosecution, that is clearly not to be expected of the Andrews Government. No surprises there, then.

    I wonder, though, why the Victorian Police need such a crime to be referred to them before they investigate and pass on the files to the CPS. In fact, can’t the CPS act on their own initiative?

    It is bizarre that a Government and it’s officers cannot be held accountable for crimes unless they themselves ask to be prosecuted – surely that isn’t the case?

  44. Rae

    I think it is/was not a matter for the Victorian Ombudsman. Corruption by politicians in Victoria falls within the defined responsibilities of the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC). It is that body the corrupt electoral employment activities should have been referred to, and been investigated by.

  45. stackja

    Victorian MPs dispute Premier’s claim they did not raise concerns with him
    Matt Johnston, James Campbell, Alex White and James Dowling, Herald Sun
    March 21, 2018 8:43pm
    Subscriber only
    LABOR MPs have broken ranks to dispute Premier Daniel Andrews’ claim that MPs did not raise concerns with him about the “red shirts” election funding model.

    One MP on Wednesday night decided to speak up after seeing the Premier tell Victorians, when asked if colleagues had questioned the ­arrangement with him: “I don’t ­believe so”. The MP said: “After watching him on the news and denying it, I can’t stay silent even for the sake of the party.

    “He (the Premier) knew about concerns about the funding model. I and several other MPs raised it with him. We told him it was a nonsense.

    “We were willing to back him, but he’s just thrown people under the bus today. We raised the funding with him personally. ­Despite that, Daniel personally urged MPs to participate.”

    A second MP said there was “heaps of chatter” about how campaigners were being paid, adding: “It was common knowledge that Daniel and John (former state treasurer John Lenders) were putting people under huge pressure to participate in the scheme.”

    The rorts-for-votes scheme saw taxpayers cheated of almost $388,000.

    The sensational comments will heap further pressure on Mr Andrews, with the report by Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass, released on Wednesday, throwing his government into crisis.

    The rorts-for-votes scheme was revealed by the Herald Sun in September 2015.

    After spending two and a half years denying the party did anything wrong, Mr ­Andrews finally apologised on Wednesday, saying the $388,000 had been repaid.

    He said he could not recall if the funding scheme — ­described by the Ombudsman as “wrong” — was discussed by the party’s campaign committee, or raised with him personally.

    “You’ve just asked me, ‘Did I have a conversation? Did people raise these matters to me?’ And I’ve indicated to you I don’t believe so,” he said.

  46. struth

    I’m about to rob a bank.
    And then speed down the highway doing at least 3 or 4 kmh over the speed limit.
    As long as no one refers me to the police they won’t act?

  47. gbees

    Thanks zyconoclast. Seen a lot of Tommy Robinson but not that one. Another eye opener.

  48. Deplorable

    free thinking electorate.

    I am afraid there is precious little of that in Victoriastan . Cultural Marxists through and through in the main.

  49. struth

    We all get randomly pulled over by police because they are looking for crimes when we are completely innocent.
    Yet these pricks are as protected by cops as the Rotherham mussie ra-pists.

  50. Alexi the Conservative Russian

    Surely Recommendation 1. should have been prosecutions of all guilty parties from this disgusting premier down. Oh but no, they are of the Left and immune to prosecution. How corrupt our nation has become.

  51. struth

    Obviously you can’t use the word r a p I s t without being put into moderation

  52. Leo G

    I’m about to rob a bank.
    And then speed down the highway doing at least 3 or 4 kmh over the speed limit.
    As long as no one refers me to the police they won’t act?

    Even if some one refers you to the police, Dan reckons they can’t act if you give back the loot.

  53. struth

    There is something else that we must realise now, with this level of unpunished corruption.
    And that is that mass immigration of third world mussie shit culture has now done it’s job.

    We talk about how bloody Victorians will still vote Labor even after this.

    They are anything but Victorian. Just ask them.

  54. Robbo

    Now we learn from an unnamed Labor MP that Andrews was involved in this scam (Herald Sun 22 March) despite his denials yesterday. So now we have a Premier in Victoria who is not only grossly incompetent but also one who is prepared to blatantly lie when cornered. This bloody disgrace of a man, and the cheating bastards he leads, stole the last election and that is high level corruption that deserves the full attention of the anti corruption commission in Victoria.

  55. struth

    Our law enforcement departments are gone.
    It’s all over folks.

  56. struth

    Police jail a commoner for teaching his dog to raise a paw, (apparently a Nazi salute) While royalty dress like Nazis to go to fancy dress parties, untouched. Commoners are jailed if they get angry about their daughters being raped by Mussies , while the rapes go unpunished and protected by police.
    Right wing young girls are banned from entering.
    Here, we commoners can’t call white people claiming aboriginality white, we must worship buggery and deviance, our children are being sexually abused with official permission and our police will pull you over randomly when you have committed no crime to try and find one.
    Yet our political elite get off everything from drink driving to major corruption and theft.
    If you are a certain colour, you are not deemed a commoner and you may therefore rape and pillage at will.
    Police will deny there is a problem, and increase harassment of those claiming there is.

    It was only a year or so many of us said that we have now gone over the edge.
    This is only the start.

    You bloody ripper.

  57. RobertS

    The first thing Matthew Guy must do if the Coalition wins the election is to fire John Cain, Solicitor for Public Prosecutions and Graeme Ashton, Chief Commissioner VICPOL.

  58. The BigBlueCat

    The Electoral Commission should go nuclear on the Victorian ALP party. If they don’t, then the electorate should; it certainly gives Matthew Guy and the Libs plenty of ammunition.

    It’s not enough for Dan Andrews to merely apologise and pay back $388k – it goes way deeper than that since it was fully concocted by the ALP as a means of using taxpayer money to partisan political purposes. Plus $1m of taxpayer money was used by Andrews to stop the ombudsman’s investigation into the matter.

    There must be punitive measures to dissuade anyone else from doing the same thing in the future (be they ALP, Liberal, Greens, Australian Consdrvatives, Liberal Democrats, whoever).

  59. old bloke

    Why not recommend that those individuals who falsified time sheets be referred to Victoria Police?

    Surely any citizen in Victoria can walk into the nearest police station and report these criminal acts. Why should this responsibility rest with the Ombudsman?

  60. EvilElvis

    The Electoral Commission should go nuclear on the Victorian ALP party.

    Why? They’re just another left wing public service swamp who is in bed with Labor.

    The union party controls them. The fact that unions have a party is the issue.

  61. sfw

    Old bloke
    You need to have evidence, the ombudsman has the evidence but for some reason hasn’t made a complaint to vicpol.
    The fix is in

  62. Cementafriend

    Baa Humbug the difference between referenda in Switzerland snd USA is in presenting the case for and against. In California politicians particularly the Dimocrats (or socialists) get away eith lying, exaggerating, leaving on important facts, stand over voters, cheat the voting etc. The Swiss are much more honest and have laws to catch those who lie. With CIR it is necessary to have laws to ensure questions are factually presented. The Swiss also care about their country and their future. All recent rrferenda questions in Switzerland put up by the greens have lost (including about a basic wage and unemployment payments) In one of the states the public agreed to allow a nuclear power station to expand. As well as I know there are no windmills in Switzerland. They have control of their borders and have banned minerets on mosques and veils which hides faces. They have banned the burkini for school swimming etc

  63. Peted

    A few NSW Labor MPs lost their jobs after being ICACed for similar behaviour between 2008-2011, including false statutory declarations.

    I guess the only reason that doesn’t apply here is Victoria are somehow less accountable than the previous NSW ALP administration.

  64. Habib

    Immediate dismissal and referral to the DPP, after being perp-walked out of parliament. And let them hire and pay their own sodding staffers, they’re not public servants but party hacks, and not even bound by the flimsy rules of bureaucrats.

    Or just throw them all out of helicopters, let gravity sort them out.

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