Just how pathetic is ScoMo?

Scott Morrison has blasted a call by Coalition MPs for the government to build a coal fired power station, saying it ...

If you are in any doubt about how pathetic is our Treasurer, Scott Morrison, just read the following.  Whose side is he on? springs to mind.

Where is he getting this stuff from?  Andy “the rest is details” Vesey, carpetbagger from the US who now runs AGL.

Yes, it will take a while to build a HELE power plant but less time than the highly dubious Snowy 2.0, which no doubt he supports because his Dear Leader is infatuated by pumping water uphill to create less power than it takes to do the pumping.

And even if an HELE plant is charging $60 or $70 per MWh, this is much less than unreliable wind or solar with attached firming capacity.  He really needs to do his homework.

That the LRET should have been allowed to continue until 2020 and then roll onto 2030 really is a disgrace.   And the SRET certificates are placing ongoing pressure on household electricity prices.  But actually ScoMo wouldn’t have a clue about any of these details.

And what about this howler from him:

“The days of subsidising energy are over whether it’s for coal, wind solar, any of them,” he said.

“That’s how you get the best functioning energy market with the lowest possible price.”

Oh please.  The ongoing subsidies for renewables are massive, including the above but also direct grants from CEFC and ARENA and the priority given to renewables in terms of dispatch as well as the obscene subsidies being doled out by the states and territories.

And the “best functioning energy market”?  Surely this is a joke when Snowy 2.0, at a cost of at least $4 billion, possibly more, will simply be insinuated into the market.  Give us a break.

Scott Morrison blasts coal rebels, says new coal power twice as expensive

Treasurer Scott Morrison has blasted a call by Coalition MPs for the government to build a coal-fired power station, saying it would not provide cheap electricity as claimed, but power that could be twice as expensive.

With a ginger group of Liberal and Nationals MPs called the Monash Forum demanding the government invest up to $4 billion to build a High Efficiency, Low Emissions (HELE) coal-fired plant in Victoria, Mr Morrison said such a project would take many years to build and the electricity it produced would be far more expensive than that being generated by existing coal-fired power stations.

“There’s a difference between old coal and new coal. Old coal bids into the energy grid at about $30 a megawatt hour, it could be up to $40,’ he told The Australian Financial Review Banking & Wealth Summit.

“A new HELE plant five, six, seven years down the track is estimated to be bidding at around $70 or $80 so it is false to think that a new coal-fired power station will generate electricity at the same price as old coal fired power station for the obvious reason that the asset has already been written off.

“You just don’t open one up down the road and all of a sudden it’s producing power at the same price as Bayswater or any of the others. That’s just an economic fact.”

Mr Morrison said this was why generators such as Alinta Energy and Delta Electricity were interested in buying the Liddell power station from AGL Energy and keeping it running for up to seven more years until a generation shortfall that would be caused by its planned closure in 2022 is made up for by the expansion of the Snowy Hydro scheme.

“I’m not surprised Alinta and others are looking to buy an existing one, not build a new one,” he said.

“What they do in looking at a new one is they need to pay back over 15, 20 years, and so they’re going to need to have a guaranteed lock-in price at that much higher level for a much longer period of time.

“So the risk of that is consumers are going to have to pay more or taxpayers are going to have to pay more in higher subsidies.”

“And that was not going to happen.”

“The days of subsidising energy are over whether it’s for coal, wind solar, any of them,” he said.

“That’s how you get the best functioning energy market with the lowest possible price.”

An expression of interest by Alinta has increased pressure on AGL to sell Liddell with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull calling on the AGL to consider the interests of its customers, its shareholders and the public.

Mr Morrison said: “I would be hoping AGL will be giving this proposal every possible consideration.”

“I would be expecting them to act not only in their own interests but in the interests of the broader Australia economy and not be misusing any market position they have to prevent what is potentially a very good arrangement proceeding.”

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83 Responses to Just how pathetic is ScoMo?

  1. Shy Ted

    “The days of subsidising energy are over whether it’s for coal, wind solar, any of them,” he said.
    “That’s how you get the best functioning energy market with the lowest possible price.”

    It’s OK, he had his fingers crossed when he said it.

  2. candy

    Scott Morrison brought some coal into Question Time once and said what’s to be afraid of?

    Obviously he’s changed his mind and does not believe coal has a future anymore, but it was only a few months ago, so he has changed his mind overnight in a sense.

  3. egg_

    SloMo proves he is Trumble’s dim bulb sock puppet.

  4. egg_

    “The days of subsidising energy are over…”

    In ManBearPig speak:

    “The Science is settled!”

  5. Up The Workers!

    In olden times, people desperate for heat or light or cooking, used to burn dung (preferably of the animal kind).

    The way the Brown Movement Neanderthals, carpet-baggers, Luddites and fraudsters are going, we could soon have turned the full circle and be sourcing all our power from that same source.

    I hear that there is a deep burrow down under a big flagpole in Canberra, that is absolutely full of the stuff!

  6. H B Bear

    The Lieboral’s Wayne Goosesteen.

  7. Viva

    In olden times, people desperate for heat or light or cooking, used to burn dung (preferably of the animal kind).

    Maybe a bunch of protesters should gather round a campfire of burning dung outside parliament wrapped in blankets and carrying candles to get the point across.

    A reckoning is late coming but it is coming.

  8. Up The Workers!

    Does anybody know precisely how combustible Greenies are?

    All those methane gas-producing mung beans ought to make them pretty volatile.

    To hell with brown coal – Save the Planet; Burn a Greenie instead!

  9. stackja

    Acronyms don’t necessarily mean much anyway. Except, for example, GIGO.

  10. Percy Porcelein

    Is this a trick question?

  11. Arky

    Does anybody know precisely how combustible Greenies are?

    ..
    People burn well, once you get them going.
    Wrap each tightly in oil impregnated cloth, and you will soon have a faggot of greenies ready for slow combustion.

  12. Dr Fred Lenin

    Arky ,wrapping them in streaky bacon would smell much better, with a few fine herbs and a basting of good olive oil,plus of course lashings of garlic, that’s the French coming out in me ,practical people the everyday French are .

  13. Arky

    Arky ,wrapping them in streaky bacon

    ..
    We are using them for fuel, not lunch, Fred. You monster.

  14. Mother Lode

    It must be all so frustrating for the little fellow.

    When Abbott was PM and feeding him lines he was a star!

    Mick Trumble came along, told him he was ready for long pants in Treasury and he repeated the lines, this time fed to him by Trumble.

    And now evewybody is so vewy angwy!

    What did I do wrong? WHAT DID I DO WRONG?

  15. Megan

    And to think there were some who thought he could one day be PM.

    Instead we have another failed non-graduate of the Wayne Swan School of Useless and Ridiculous Sorta-Maybe-Just Vaguely Touching on-Economics

  16. Leo G

    Yes, it will take a while to build a HELE power plant but less time than the highly dubious Snowy 2.0

    Surely conventional coal-fired power stations would be the most cost-effective solution.

  17. stackja

    Leo G
    #2678205, posted on April 4, 2018 at 3:19 pm
    Yes, it will take a while to build a HELE power plant but less time than the highly dubious Snowy 2.0

    Surely conventional coal-fired power stations would be the most cost-effective solution.

    Stop with the commonsense. Spoils the narrative.

  18. Leigh Lowe

    Just how pathetic is Sco-Mo?

    Is there any end to the rhetorical questions about this gummint?
    (Don’t answer that).

  19. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    “The days of subsidising energy are over…”

    Woohoo! The RET is going to be scrapped!

  20. So we have cricketers’ careers being destroyed for cheating in a game, but our Treasurer can tell lies to the country and continue to be paid several hundred thousand dollars a year?

  21. Tator

    Who are the morons that these politicians are getting their advice from. Obviously Greenfilth supplied data knobbling the HELE costs in favour of intermittent renewables. These morons need to be the second up against the wall after the public relations section of the Sirius Cybernetics Corp when the revolution comes.

  22. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Te two most important issue sf pour time are rampant immigration and energy prices. Morrison has taken a far left position on both of them.

    Without Abbott’s hand jammed up his sphincter, telling him what to do, he has been exposed as a happy clapping galoot.

  23. RobK

    Can ScoMo explain why India and China import coal whilst exporting your esteemed solar and wind hardware? Why are they building hundreds of coal and dozens of nuclear plants if they are more expensive than the renewables hardware they export. Enough already.

  24. Adam D

    “New coal will cost twice as much”

    What a c**t! What a bald-faced bullshit and unnecessary lie.

  25. stackja

    RobK
    #2678229, posted on April 4, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    India and China leaders aren’t interested in Green politics. They are just trying to survive.

  26. RobK

    Stackja,
    I suspect they find it convenient that we should capitulate our indutrial base and living standard to furnish a more distributed wealth.

  27. stackja

    RobK
    #2678238, posted on April 4, 2018 at 4:05 pm
    Stackja,
    I suspect they find it convenient that we should capitulate our indutrial base and living standard to furnish a more distributed wealth.

    And Australian voters agree?

  28. RobK

    And Australian voters agree?

    Apparently.

  29. RobK

    Apparently, it’s for the sake of Gaia.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Subsidies? Did someone mention subsidies?

    Bill shock debacle: Solar rooftop subsidies in Australia doubling, will cost $1.3 billion this year, $160 per household (13 Mar)

    Solar Panels on Australian rooftops cost electricity customers $500m last year, and are projected to cost a staggering $1.3 billion this year:

    The Clean Energy Regulator has released figures showing that more than 1057 megawatts of ­capacity was installed last year, equating to 3.5 million solar ­panels being fixed to rooftops.

    So if Scott immediately banned subsidies for roof top solar and commenced construction of a 2GW HELE plant not only would the saved subsidies pay for the plant as it was being constructed but the electricity produced would be 2-4 times more, at least a third cheaper than the feed in tariff, run 24 hours a day and not need either gas turbine support or expensive street level poles & wires upgrades.

    As for global warming, it has been snowing over Easter in the US East Coast, UK and Germany, and the latest monthly global temperature data is back to where it was in mid 2001. What global warming?

  31. RobK

     They are just trying to survive.
    So are we.

  32. Wouldn’t it be nice if politicians had even the slightest clue about power generation? Or power distribution? Or economics? Or even if they could tell the difference between their anus and their elbow?

  33. Jo Smyth

    And to think we once had high hopes for SloMo. Lucky Escape

  34. The Barking Toad

    When Abbott was PM and feeding him lines he was a star!

    Ed Zachary.

    Morro was a star when he had Abbott supporting and giving direction on boats.

    Treasurer is different and there is no guidance/support from Turncoat because he has no idea.

    He’ll be first under the bus.

  35. Speedbox

    He’ll be first under the bus.

    Yeah, but with a significant indexed pension for life. (plus the inevitable book release and Board positions). The cost of electricity, or other mundane expenses, will be of no real consequence.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if politicians had even the slightest clue about power generation? Or power distribution? Or economics? Or even if they could tell the difference between their anus and their elbow?

    Nice, but never going to happen. None of it.

  36. Stanley

    In olden times, people desperate for heat or light or cooking, used to burn dung (preferably of the animal kind).

    A large part of the third world still does this! Witness the Masai of Kenya who make use of their cattle dung for heating, cooking and, er, to drive out malarial mosquitos with the smoke. Mind you it sort of shortens their life span. ?Turd World?

  37. cohenite

    Hazelwood produced electricity at $20 MWh.

  38. manalive

    “The days of subsidising energy are over whether it’s for coal, wind solar, any of them,” he said.
    “That’s how you get the best functioning energy market with the lowest possible price …”.

    He means the lowest price possible under the conditions of the 2015 Paris Agreement.
    Every study, survey, every utterance concerning ‘renewables’ involves the use of half-truths, prevarication, shiftiness or outright lying.

    What global warming? …

    The reasoning behind the energy debacle is irrelevant, sunk cost fallacy now prevails.

  39. struth

    Can ScoMo explain why India and China import coal whilst exporting your esteemed solar and wind hardware? Why are they building hundreds of coal and dozens of nuclear plants if they are more expensive than the renewables hardware they export. Enough already.

    Exactly.

    Who are the morons that these politicians are getting their advice from. Obviously Greenfilth supplied data knobbling the HELE costs in favour of intermittent renewables. These morons need to be the second up against the wall after the public relations section of the Sirius Cybernetics Corp when the revolution comes.

    The UN puppets will put up smoke and mirrors and talk shit, but there is no way on god’s green earth you are going to get coal or any cheap power.
    This has absolutely nothing to do with them being thick morons.

    Get it in to your fucking heads.
    We will not be getting cheap power with global socialist anti western Guterres as our head of state, and especially while in the western attacking Paris agreement.

  40. egg_

    Hazelwood produced electricity at $20 MWh.

    Maths is not the Hunchback’s strong point?

  41. Beachcomber

    This has absolutely nothing to do with them being thick morons.

    Exactly. It is akin to rice quotas and the ‘Great Leap Forward’ in Maoism and the Stalinist ‘5 Year Plans’. Centralised command and control of the economy by the Green-Marxist ruling elites.

  42. Robber Baron

    Morrison thinks he is PM material. He is a clown.

    The weakest governments have weak Treasurers. Just look at RGR/Swan, Abbott/Hockey, now Turnbull/Morrison. With a weak Treasurer, your government looks indecisive and out of control. The best governments had their second best player in the treasury role…Hawke/Keating, Howard/Costello, Kennett/Stockdale and so on. None of these governments looked weak or out of control.

    Can you imagine the Shorten/Turtle Bowen government….ha ha…it will be a circus.

  43. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    Economic freedom is an essential requisite for political freedom. By enabling people to cooperate with one another without coercion or central direction, it reduces the area over which political power is exercised.

    — Milton Friedman

  44. jupes

    When Abbott was PM and feeding him lines he was a star!

    Indeed.

    Since then Turnbull has put his head in the rat cage and now ScoMo really and truly believes with every inch of his being the bullshit he is selling.

    We know what comes next and it won’t be a minute too soon.

  45. stackja

    Robber Baron
    #2678303, posted on April 4, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    Menzies/Fadden?

  46. Robber Baron

    stackja
    #2678309, posted on April 4, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    Before my time. Was Fadden a good Treasurer?

  47. egg_

    Can you imagine the Shorten/Turtle Bowen government…

    We will likely be faced with this soon – post August, perhaps?
    Bowen appears to have the semblance of a backbone, but will Tits be leader by then?

  48. Dr Fred Lenin

    It looks like the turnbull global communist government is determined to destroy Australia before it becomes a province of the unelected u,n,communists ,of course limiting the amount and price of power is part of the plan ,the fact that pensioners low income workers and welfarists are most affected is of no consequence to the “caring gangrenes and wukkas party polliemuppets ,”never mind the people ,what about my brilliant career “?. The political swamp is definately in need of draining ,Washington isn’t the only swamp . Abolish career politics and political gangs. Er sorry parties , that’s a start to real democracy .

  49. wal1957

    And the idiots in parliament wonder why the public has stopped listening to them?

    When you tell lies all day, every day, it becomes quite tedious and frustrating.

    The days of subsidising energy are over whether it’s for coal, wind solar, any of them,”

    This is such an obvious blatant LIE! I know it is, he knows it is. The trouble is that this will be broadcast as fact! The voting morons, (and there are plenty out there) will believe this spiel because they saw it in print or on their ABC, or MSM so it Must be true.

    I once had a lot of time for Scomo. Now he is a dead man walking, just like Turdball and Bishop.

  50. So the new mega union with their new-communist fellow travellers just won the next election.

    The Liberals (sic) have learned nothing.

  51. Squirrel

    Our political class seems incapable of breaking out of their mad, deluded bubble of slogans, blather and selective application of half-baked theories and denial of reality. The nonsense on this, and other crucial policy issues, will doubtless go on until the national patrimony is completely squandered.

  52. egg_

    Our political class seems incapable of breaking out of their mad, deluded bubble of slogans, blather and selective application of half-baked theories and denial of reality.

    Showbiz for fuglies.

  53. Confused Old Misfit

    “That’s how you get the best functioning energy market with the lowest possible price.”

    What moron appointed this imbecile to a post anywhere near economic management and how long has he been allowed to stay there?
    Anyone with half a brain would have realized that and acted on it within half a minute of being elected.

  54. EvilElvis

    I love Judith. And I’m ok with that.

    Can ScoMo explain why India and China import coal whilst exporting your esteemed solar and wind hardware? Why are they building hundreds of coal and dozens of nuclear plants if they are more expensive than the renewables hardware they export. Enough already.

    Nailed it RobK. Would love to see the ABC/Grauniad focus group excuses for this one, useless fucking bastards.

  55. Mr Johnson

    Is it any wonder ScoMo and Turnbull run a mile from sitting down with any conservative commentators, other than hand picked sock puppets (or the ABC)?

  56. miltonf

    Well said Judith. What a dead loss ScoMo has turned out to be.

  57. herodotus

    Obviously Greenfilth supplied data knobbling knob gobbling the HELE costs in favour of intermittent renewables.
    FIFY.

  58. Tel

    A new HELE plant five, six, seven years down the track is estimated to be bidding at around $70 or $80 so it is false to think that a new coal-fired power station will generate electricity at the same price as old coal fired power station for the obvious reason that the asset has already been written off.

    Doesn’t that argument apply to a new anything?

    A new solar cell will have an embedded capital cost, so will a new dam, so will nuclear, same with a pumping scheme to do load leveling, same with a battery. If there’s a machine we can have at zero capital cost then I would consider it, but normally you find capital cost everywhere, so from a decision making perspective only the DIFFERENCE in capital cost of the various options is significant… 1GW of solar cells vs 1GW of coal fired power with boiler and turbines.

    Even if it is 8c per kWh that’s still pretty cheap compared to what the average punter is paying at the retail side, even when you give a respectable markup, let’s give them 50% markup which many industries would be very happy with… retail comes out at 12c per kWh which is pretty decent. Let’s do that then.

  59. herodotus

    Stacking the judiciary with leftists is one of the most reprehensible things that can be done by pollies, but destroying our power system is way worse.

  60. herodotus

    Why are they building hundreds of coal and dozens of nuclear plants if they are more expensive than the renewables hardware they export.

    They are using the profits on useless renewable guff to fund their useful coal-fired power. Trump take note: these people could come up with a funding plan that would genuinely have Mexico paying for the wall.

  61. RobK

    http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-o-s/russia-nuclear-power.aspx
    Russia is moving steadily forward with plans for an expanded role of nuclear energy, including development of new reactor technology.It is committed to closing the fuel cycle, and sees fast reactors as a key to this.Exports of nuclear goods and services are a major Russian policy and economic objective. Over 20 nuclear power reactors are confirmed or planned for export construction. Foreign orders totalled $133 billion at the end of 2016.Russia is a world leader in fast neutron reactor technology and is consolidating this through its Proryv (‘Breakthrough’) project.”

  62. Subsidize or just get rid of the obstacles to coal. The latter makes more sense, but let’s get going. We have centuries supply of the good Permian Black littering our back yard.

    The globalist wind-up toys we call leaders, aside from selling tired old tech like batteries and whirlygigs as new, are leading us into the world’s sea lane and pipeline wars, hot or cold. This is because of a simple formula: more renewables = more diesel/gas. I like diesel inside my Toyota, gas under my pots. I don’t like them inside a generator which is running because coal power isn’t.

    It takes one day’s closure of the Strait of Hormuz to make oil drastically more expensive and/or less available. Last I heard that’s a frisky part of the world. Monstrosities like SA’s Mt Lithium or Turnbull’s Uphill Snowy are not so much work-arounds as stuff-arounds. Persist in the War on Coal and we are critically dependent on volatile imports not just for transport but for making the toast. (Or maybe our globalist wind-up toys, usually appointees these days, are meant to bring that about? What is it with zombie shows? I don’t watch TV except for the footy, but when I happen to leave it on there are always these weird, droning zombies. And that’s just the political news.)

    Do the coal, okay?

  63. Sydney Boy

    “The days of subsidising energy are over whether it’s for coal, wind solar, any of them,” he said.

    So I fully expect ARENA, CEFC, and the RET to all be scrapped forthwith.

  64. Roger.

    Scott Morrison is like a pillow.

    He bears the impression of whoever last sat on him.

  65. Confused Old Misfit

    “A new HELE plant five, six, seven years down the track is estimated to be bidding at around $70 or $80 so it is false to think that a new coal-fired power station will generate electricity at the same price as old coal fired power station for the obvious reason that the asset has already been written off.

    Morrison

    studies by The Minerals Council of Australia estimated that a High Efficiency Low Emission plant would be economic at under $50 per MWh

    Alan Moran

    Morrison is a pathetic lying creep!

  66. Garry

    This SCMO goose is simply taking us one step closer to the three or six years of a Shorten nightmare that we are obviously going to be forced to endure until the electorate, and more importantly, the right of politics realises that this plunge into the renewable energy abyss is destroying our industry, our jobs and our way of life. Labor and Green voters should also be concerned – less industry and less jobs means less tax to pay for their welfare and once the part pensioners and self funded retirees have been totally soaked into oblivion the budging class may actually have to do a little bit more than stick out their hand to survive!

  67. W Hogg

    So HELE bids $70/MWh. Old coal (already built, sunk cost, marginally costed) bids $30-40. The grid price is usually $90-120.

    We should definitely stick gelignite under the existing old coal plants then – that should massively “put downward pressure” on the price of power!

  68. Texas Jack

    Rather than promote government intervention via actually building and running some new coal-fired station, why doesn’t Monash promote a corporate-tax zero-rate on the profits of any firm that can generate confirmed base-load with emissions below a CO2/kWh intensity, set just slightly above the best of the worlds HELE generators? Grandfather the zero-rate for 20 years, with a five year smoothed step-up to whatever corporate tax rate prevails in year 25. Wouldn’t long-term investors be attracted to the potentially higher after-tax investment return?
    This is a question, not an answer.

  69. OneWorldGovernment

    Texas Jack
    #2678711, posted on April 5, 2018 at 1:35 am

    Rather than promote government intervention via actually building and running some new coal-fired station, why doesn’t Monash promote a corporate-tax zero-rate on the profits of any firm that can generate confirmed base-load with emissions below a CO2/kWh intensity, set just slightly above the best of the worlds HELE generators? Grandfather the zero-rate for 20 years, with a five year smoothed step-up to whatever corporate tax rate prevails in year 25. Wouldn’t long-term investors be attracted to the potentially higher after-tax investment return?
    This is a question, not an answer.

    Texas Jack

    Believe it or not but Australia used to have a company that did that and it was called AGL (Australian Gas Light Corporation).

    That same company is now run by an thieving manipulative pack of arzeholes whom employed an American Enron spiv who did his time down with the real grafters and grifters in South America at the behest of Enron Corp US scum.

    Just in case anyone happens to have 2 brain farts pass in their head I will stand in any court in the world and repeat this.

    To think that ENRON has taken over the power grid and production ability of Australia absolutely fascinates me as to which politician or political group may be getting money from the spivs.

  70. Tombell

    Utterly depressing and depressing and depressing.

  71. John Constantine

    The right side of history means progressing a deindustrialised, decolonialised big Australia, where mass numbers of people are the raw materials for the wealth of the elites.

    A hundred million proles, imported to fill a megacity, a massive shantytown slum spilling along the entire eastern coast seaboard, debtfunded.

    Their turnbullites are so close to total and eternal victory they are nearly married to it.

    How can the eternal global victory of Stalin be pathetic when all your enemies are crushed and wiped from history and language changed so that no concept of theirs can ever rise again?.

    Comrades.

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Monstrosities like SA’s Mt Lithium or Turnbull’s Uphill Snowy are not so much work-arounds as stuff-arounds. Persist in the War on Coal and we are critically dependent on volatile imports not just for transport but for making the toast.

    Yes. The defense dimension. Overlooked and scary. Applies also to steel and aluminium and other heavy manufacturing.

    Plus ScoMo is blatantly lying as everyone here can see. The energy market is rigged.
    The general population though can’t see this as they are fed by the MSM and the stupid lieborals.

    All power to people like Rowan Dean and Ross Cameron who are spreading the word that climate change is a hoax. It is an idea not a scientific fact, a piece of inept computer modelling. Highly politicized.

    Get that message out. Nothing will change until the people in general understand they have been treated like compliant mushrooms on climate change and much else. Kept in the dark, and raised on bullsh*t.

    That way lies communism.

  73. md

    #2678751, posted on April 5, 2018 at 7:42 am
    The right side of history means progressing a deindustrialised, decolonialised big Australia, where mass numbers of people are the raw materials for the wealth of the elites.
    A hundred million proles, imported to fill a megacity, a massive shantytown slum spilling along the entire eastern coast seaboard, debtfunded.

    Well said. And there is NO ONE to stop it.

  74. The Barking Toad

    I used to get phone calls from the various solar companies trying to flog their stuff to put on the roof.

    I told them they were worse than dole bludgers and the only reason they existed was because of government subsidies and their contribution to saving the planet was just a scam.

    After the discussion I used to piss them right off by telling them I was only renting anyway and the landlord agreed they were full of shit.

    Happy times.

  75. Dr Fred Lenin

    This claim that new coal will cost twice as much is easily rectified. Remove the levies and imposts designed to make carpetbag “energy”look cheap,then power will cost half as much as now . If this u.n. Communist muppet is advised by economists I suggest they are ,ecommunists , destructive liars with bugger all between the ears .
    Abolish career politics and corrupt political gangs (parties).

  76. win

    Another scalp for the PM who wants to pump water up to the top of the hill to pump it down again .Scott Morrison looks a proper Ninny. Under Abbott he was a man who earned respect now he is a laughing stock.

  77. Being governed by the current Liberal mob and the various incompetent State government arseholes is like being slowly tortured and killed by knitting needles.

    That’s why I toldyas before that our only hope, the only hope for our kids and grand kids is to elect Shorten with Senate control so that he can kill us quicker and with less torture.
    Then and only then will the masses of entitled, under worked, metrosexual soy boys and their wymynses masters wake up just enough for us to go back to some semblance of reality with social and economic policies.

    We need a really big and powerful socialist government to fvck the people up the arse so hard, fvck ’em so deep and fvck ’em so thoroughly that they will be begging for a political party to save them from government.
    Inconveniences like high energy prices, speech control, fat arsed wymynses fvcking men over and violent immigrants raping and pillaging in the suburbs just isn’t enough to wake the masses. That slow torture will take decades and decades to strongly effect enough people for substantive change demand to manifest.

    We need to heed Ken Henry’s infamous ‘Up the Peoples Arse’ advice…
    “Go Deep, Go Hard, Go Households.”

    The future of our grand kids is at stake. We need to sacrifice ourselves to save them.
    Vote Shorten and vote Often.

  78. Terry

    Okay, so I get that our politicians are, in the main, STUPID!

    But where do they find these advisers? Treasury, energy, science. Beyond useless tending to downright dangerous.

    What is the selection criteria?
    1. Have you demonstrated no practical knowledge of the field you proclaim expertise in?
    2. Have you done your diversity training?
    3. Have you checked your unconscious bias?
    4. Have you had your full frontal lobotomy?

    Congratulations! What do you think we should do (with other peoples’ money)?

  79. Kneel

    Why would AGL want to sell Liddell?
    So much better to keep it and threaten to turn of off in 2022 (or whenever) – by then, we will be so reliant on no more fossil plants closing that AGL will be able to get the station upgraded by Govt grant. That way, they get to keep the profits from an extended life and they don’t need to spend any money. Perfect (for them).

    Now THAT’S capitalism at work, eh?

  80. Grandma

    Congratulations Treasury, ScoMo is now fully house trained.

  81. None

    I am on record, including here, as saying right from the start that ScoMmo was a bit of a fraud. He gained notoriety as immigration minister on the back of Operation Sovereign Borders which had been planned up to a year before Abbott won office. So all ScoMo had to do was basically stand there and tell all the left is to f*** off because all the hard work of developing the policies, strategy and tactics had been done well before the election. What is more, if you look at his employment history it really doesn’t amount to much except being a public servant at one stage in charge of Tourism Australia. No one was more shocked than me when he became treasurer. I could not see one ounce of ability, experience or interest on his part for economics except as a stepping stone towards being prime minister some day. I did expect however that he would stay reasonably true to his conservative principles because while he plays both sides of the fence, trying not to align himself too closely with either the moderate or conservative factions, he is a (social) conservative. But it seems that even they have their price as evidenced by his utterly cowardly self-serving behaviour when Abbott was toppled. Then again if he hadn’t gone for Turnbull who would have been treasurer and would it have been far worse than it is now?

  82. yarpos

    I love the numbers they want to argue about $40 MWhr to $70 MWhr. Do they never look at reality ? they would be a nice set of numbers if the appeared on NEM dispatch. $100 is more common these days.

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