Peter Van Badham in the Oz

Writing late this afternoon in the Australian, Peter Van Onselen expressed his view that Israel Folau has right to expression but sponsors have right of reply.

This is a fair point of view.  But Van Onselen also wrote this as his conclusion:

That’s life, in a free speech society where we all have a right to express our views and choose what to watch in a world bursting at the seams with sporting options. Power to Folau for expressing his religious views; power to any sponsors for choosing to dump associations with him if they don’t agree with them.

But Spartacus’ question for Van Onselen is this.  Why, if you hold such view are you increasingly appearing on the ABC, an organisation untroubled by the problem of attracting sponsors and advertisers?  Or in fact has the market actually spoken on your views and this is why you are increasingly appearing on the ABC?

The market for ideas for thee, but certainly not for Vee.

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42 Responses to Peter Van Badham in the Oz

  1. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So it’s only fair if we boycott leftist leaning filth. If the liberals had any balls they would go after the funding of the ALP with every available resource. dreaming…

  2. wal1957

    Folau expressed his religious view. I was under the impression that it was illegal to terminate anybody based on their religion? Or is it only the case if you don’t express publicly those views?
    I’m a bit confused!

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  4. frenchyfromGtown

    Mr onevan badham is confusing free speech and blackmail or compelled speech. If the tzars at Qantas and onevan badham actually agreed with free speech there would have been no threats of withdrawing money/sponsorships. What is effectively happening now is say what we want or else! Not quite defending the right of free speech there.

  5. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Why didn’t an editor put a big redline through this swill?

  6. Herodotus

    The left is intent on weaponizing sponsorship as a scythe to cut down dissent from their pc dogma. The long march to and through the boardrooms is paying off, and cramming more wyminses into those boardrooms is part of the plan. Gender gap pay is the tool that prizes open the way.
    (just channeling the great King Constantine there for a moment)

  7. Eddystone

    I’d like to be able to dump my sponsorship of the ABC, politicians pensions and jobs for mates, “renewable” energy and the Human “Rights” Commission.

  8. Blair

    Power to Folau for expressing his religious views; power to any sponsors…”
    Yeah man, power to the people, rock on.

  9. Marcus

    Folau expressed his religious view. I was under the impression that it was illegal to terminate anybody based on their religion? Or is it only the case if you don’t express publicly those views?
    I’m a bit confused!

    I think RA just want Christians to stay in the closet.

    On the point of rugby’s sponsors, Van Onselen’s right. Qantas, for example, would be well within their right to disassociate themselves from Folau or rugby in general if they don’t feel he fits in with their corporate values. But I don’t expect they’ll disassociate from Emirates any time soon.

  10. Marcus

    By the way, six of the ten most recent rugby stories on the Australian’s website are about What Folau Said. I suppose that’s a better story for them than the one about the nearly $4m loss, a possible ASIC investigation in the pipeline or ever-dwindling crowd numbers.

  11. Tim

    I wonder why Alan joyce thinks it is ok for him to use Qantas for his own political tool. Ill bet at least 40% of his shareholders agree with Folau

  12. nemkat

    Aren’t these footballers under draconian Contracts that are more akin to slavery?
    Folau wouldn’t be saying anything he wasn’t told to say.

    So, if he’s saying SS attracted people will burn in Hell, then he was …

  13. H B Bear

    I’d like to be able to dump my sponsorship of the ABC, politicians pensions and jobs for mates, “renewable” energy and the Human “Rights” Commission.

    This.

  14. Chris

    I wonder why Alan joyce thinks it is ok for him to use Qantas for his own political tool. Ill bet at least 40% of his shareholders agree with Folau

    ANd probably 40% of his staff too, but the other 60% have made them STFU.

  15. Ian

    PVO’s endless lefty nonsense is tiresome, but it not hard to figure out why Paul Kelly employs him.

  16. Fred

    Rugby Australia claims that Folou’s opinion is not their view.

    Question.

    Why does a sporting body have a view on whether a person is going to heaven or hell?

  17. H B Bear

    Van Wrongselen is definitely a price taker in the market for ideas. Slowly sinking into the fetid billabong of the ALPBC where they still roll out Bob Hawke’s press secretary as an authority on current events nearly 40 years after Ol’ Leathery could command a job outside the sheltered workshop of the staff co-op.

  18. don coyote

    I would like to withdraw my sponsorship of the ABC .

  19. Bruce of Newcastle

    Remember the Chick-fil-A controversy?

    The Christian CEO said this about SSM:

    I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, “We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage”. I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about.

    The Left howled. Screeched in outrage. And called for boycotts, government action and withdrawal of licencing. Activists got busy and there were hordes of outrageously outraged actions especially on university campuses. There was even a shooter who tried to murder people in the Chick-Fil-A HQ and then (yep this is correct) smear a chicken sandwich in the face of each dead employee. He had 15 sandwiches ready.

    What happened next is for Peter Van Onselen.

    There were lines around the block of people trying to get into Chick-Fil-A restaurants around the country. They were selling sandwiches like there was no tomorrow. As a boycott goes it was the least successful one ever. Righties made Chick-Fil-A their own and ate there often.

    And now:

    Chick-fil-A to become nation’s third-largest fast food restaurant by 2020, analysts say (last week)

    That’s what you get when you become a lefty hate icon…the silent right comes out on their side, but you won’t read much about that in the MSM.

  20. Tel

    I’d like to pull my funding from any sport that Peter Van Onselen is associated with (including what passes as journalism these days).

  21. KaaBee

    Qantas obviously think it is worth investing some $800,000 to persuade rugby followers that they are the best airline for intra state and overseas travel. However, some care should be taken when threatening to withdraw support from the code. Folou alone is reported as having nearly 400,000 followers, add in those of other players and rugby fans generally and that is a lot of current and prospective travellers Qantas could get off side (excuse the pun). Joyce needs to remember that just as he can remove Qantas support for the code, rugby fans can as easily boycott flying with his airline. And it is not as if there are n’t any attractive alternatives especially on overseas routes.

  22. LBLoveday

    Far from just saying “Israel Folau has right to expression…”, PVO wrote “Israel Folau has a right to be a jerk…”, thereby establishing beyond any reasonable doubt that PVO is an ignorant JERK, unfit to write columns in what used to be a quality paper.

  23. Splatacrobat

    Remember Eric Liddell the Christian athlete in the 1924 Olympics made famous in the film Chariots of fire.
    He held to his beliefs in not running on the Sabbath. Back then whilst everyone in the British Olympic committee wanted him to run, they respected his beliefs in not running.

    If Liddell played today they would ridicule and despise him, like Court and Folau.

  24. JohnA

    Fred #2683432, posted on April 10, 2018, at 7:00 pm

    Rugby Australia claims that Folou’s opinion is not their view.

    Question.

    Why does a sporting body have a view on whether a person is going to heaven or hell?

    Question #2:

    Why the hell does Qantas have a view on this? Does it matter a hoot to their bottom line?

    If this were happening in the US of A, the airline would be enduring (and I would be enjoying) the Chick-Fil-A Effect.

  25. JohnA

    Oh, and PS: Falau was wedged into making a statement in answer to a loaded question from a “journo” – entrapment, someone?

    And of course the quotes used thereafter are edited – they do not include his precisely stated caveat “if they do not repent”.

  26. Rob MW

    That’s life, in a free speech society where we all have a right to express our views and choose what to watch in a world bursting at the seams with sporting options. Power to Folau for expressing his religious views; power to any sponsors for choosing to dump associations with him if they don’t agree with them.

    Wonder what the contract says about dumping an association because the dumpor disagree’s with a religious view held by the sponsored/dumpee. Maybe this has nothing to do with free speech and Peter Dimvit Onselen can’t see the forest for the trees – just sayin

    Any common law contract that forbids being religious or speaking to one’s religious beliefs, other than head-chopping or blowing things up in the absence of simple community courtesy, is a lawyers gold mine.

  27. Gary

    Peter Fitzsimons went on an anti Christian tirade the other day. Why would an atheist care Israel Folau thinks?

    I no I just had to put it out there.

    Being a professional snowflake is his only way to stay relevant.

  28. The BigBlueCat

    Our associate pastor has a good approach if asked about SSM – “I’d rather you ask me my opinion about Jesus rather my opinion about SSM, because at the end of it all, it’s our opinion of Jesus that counts for everything.”

    I keep wondering what these journos would do if they asked a Muslim NRL player the same question … oh, yes, that’s right, they wouldn’t dare!

    In the case of Israel Folau, his opinions are well known. Why would a sponsor make a decision to pull their financial support now on the basis of an opinion that is neither unique nor dangerous? Silly me … reasons!

  29. None

    Even that charlatan and fake Freedom Fighters Tim Wilson pretended to defend Izzy’s right to his opinion ( religious belief is more than just a opinion folks) by labelling him as someone employed for his brawn and not his brains. One of the worst offenders was Liz Ellis the former netballer screeching for Folau’s head ( I will leave it to punters to speculate how jealous Ms Ellis is of rugby Australia’s CEO who is the former CEO of Netball New Zealand, a piffling outfit). There is always something deeply disturbing when women not to mention mother’s out for sodomy but anyway Liz Ellis of course was educated in Catholic schools and she of all people would know that belief in hell is standard in Christianity. Jesus spoke about hell more than anyone else and God’s plan for gays is no different to God’s plan for Liz Ellis all God’s plan for you and me. Yes if you don’t repent and wish to disobey God then hell is the place for you but I somehow suspect that there will be no one in hell who doesn’t want to be there. Further if hell it’s just a figment of lunatic religious people’s imagination then why the hell are these people kacking themselves over a harmless answer to a harmless (or perhaps intentionally malicious) question? By the way why doesn’t Waleed Aly ever get asked about Allah’s plans for gays? p

    What next people? Are we going to have troglodytes like van Onselen and Liz Ellis demand that we ban Dante’s Inferno and slice and dice a fair whack of Western art, smash statues and reliefs in churches and other sites? Shout sway eith tje Sistine chspel and bring out the Taliban in search of gargoyles? The chattering class are playing with fire here. Very dangerous fire.

  30. LBLoveday
    #2683506, posted on April 10, 2018 at 8:05 pm
    Far from just saying “Israel Folau has right to expression…”, PVO wrote “Israel Folau has a right to be a jerk…”,

    Additional slurs of Folau in the PVO article include:
    “Folau’s inconsistent application of his religious beliefs…
    his narrow minded and highly contested views on being gay…
    Not that you’d expect nuance from someone who, as Liberal MP Tim Wilson put it, is better known for his brawn than his brains.”

    Clever man that PVO. Covers up a hatchet job with a pretend defence of free speech.

  31. Dave of Reedy Creek, Qld

    PVO was one of the major reasons why I and quite a few friends dumped our subscriptions for the Australian. He is far more suited to be on ‘their ‘AlpBC, should fit like a glove really.
    On Israel Falou’s remarks; I guess after the gays promised to Australia that it was, “all about love and just wanting to get married,” fake story line, that everyone should suddenly give up their religious beliefs and their stand on Biblical teaching because we were conned. Dreaming!!! The chances of that happening are totally remote.
    A big question that should be asked of Mr Joyce from their Qantas (you would think he actually owned it) how can they be in business partnership with Emirates which is owned by the Dubai government when that country can jail gays for 10 years? A hypocrite I think.

  32. Muddy

    Please forgive my simple- minded, dribbling redneckedness, but how might one respond to he (no name, let’s not acknowledge it) who cannot exist professionally without oxygen?

  33. None

    Clever man that PVO. Covers up a hatchet job with a pretend defence of free speech.

    yep just like Tim Wilson and most other Pretenders. One exception I think would be Alan Jones – to his credit – who also has his eye on the main ussue – namely the total and utter failure of Rugby Australia to be a viable rugby organisation.

  34. iain russell

    I can see Israel becoming an iconic figure (I understand the contradiction) of the Resistance. Gut and fillet the ABC and boycott the hate-filled bigot running Qantas and his miserable airline.

  35. Zatara

    JohnA
    #2683514, posted on April 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    Question #2:

    Why the hell does Qantas have a view on this? Does it matter a hoot to their bottom line?

    Question #3:

    Exactly when was this corporate view approved by the shareholders?

    Remember them? The owners of the company?

  36. None

    The thing is Rugby Australia needs Folau now more than he needs them at the moment. That is the only reason why he’s survived. Mark my words these bastards would have booted him in a second. PVO and Tim Wilson might think he’s all brawn and no brain but Israel knows the lie of the land. He is holding all the cards at the moment and he’s playing them like a pro. Good luck to him I hope he makes a matzah for as long as he can because these fascists will not think twice about destroying his livelihood if they didn’t depend on him at this point in time.

    Also I would love it if some intrepid journalist would ask all the whiny sponsors if they had received any whiny phone calls from Alan Joyce recently demanding that they have a hissy fit like him.

  37. MichelLasouris

    Every cloud provides a silver lining, and the silver lining that surrounds Cricket’s “ball tampering” and Mr Folau, an outspoken Rugby player, is the withdrawal of Sponsors finance. This no doubt means that the very considerable funds previously donated to sport will now appear back in the profit and loss accounts of the Sponsors business. This money will no doubt be employed in either increased dividends to the Sponsors shareholders, used to increase the efficiency of the Sponsor Companies, or even a price cut on the goods that the Sponsor company sells to its customers . What an excellent outcome!

  38. Cassie of Sydney

    After reading the article yesterday by that mediocre hack…aka Arselon, I was left livid that a so called reputable newspaper could have published such tedious drivel. I too am terminating my subscription to the Oz. I have had enough. The fact that the editors allowed Folau to be referred to as a “jerk” says a lot about the current newspaper and its management and direction. It too has been captured by the left. If I want to read crappy and tedious leftist opinion, I may as well subscribe to Fairfax. For a while now I have suspected that many of the Oz moderators are juvenile graduates straight out of university journalism courses run by the likes of Wendy Bacon. They are getting away with using the Oz as a platform to promote their fetid leftard beliefs and causes. The newspaper has declined rapidly in the last 2 years and it is not worth my hard earned money. I cancelled my subscription to the Telegraph after the Barnaby lynching. I have given up reading Bolt and Blair, both of whom revelled in and justified the Barnaby lynching. When it comes to mainstream media, it is now slim pickings.

  39. Rossini

    MichelLasouris
    #2683789, posted on April 11, 2018 at 7:50 am
    “or even a price cut on the goods that the Sponsor company sells to its customers .”
    Who are you kidding

  40. Splatacrobat
    #2683513, posted on April 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm
    Remember Eric Liddell the Christian athlete in the 1924 Olympics made famous in the film Chariots of fire.
    He held to his beliefs in not running on the Sabbath.

    Not only Eric but also the great NZ backrower Michael Jones (now Sir Michael) who wouldn’t play rugby on Sundays.
    “I’d always been brought up that Sunday was the Lord ‘s Day, it was the day we were always at church and with our family.”
    Cost him a spot in the 1995 RWC.

  41. None

    PVO is to theology what Alberici is to economics.
    Haha Mark Powell nails PVO.
    https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/04/israel-folau-vs-the-amateur-theologians/

  42. None

    Eric Liddell aside, imagine the optics: some overweight gothic styled white woman sacks popular Islander man because he does not accept sodomy as a moral behaviour. Yep atta boy Alan Joyce. Do try that on.

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