Wednesday Forum: April 18, 2018

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  1. rickw

    If I pay half my income in tax, I’m somebody’s half-time slave, m0nts.

    Same, and it bloody pisses me off.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Is that the sort of behaviour we should expect from progressives?

    absolutely

  3. C.L.

    Belinda Wallington: But we’re now realising — perhaps a little belatedly, and no more so than in the sex offence area — that a fair trial means fairness to both sides. And in the past there have been piecemeal attempts to change things and make things better for victims, for many, many years, but over the last 10 years, there have been heaps of reforms and they’re ongoing. I can’t talk about George Pell, of course, but

    Jon Faine: No, we’re not asking you to.

    Nudge nudge, wink wink.
    Great work by Henderson.
    The Pell show trial is probably the worst miscarriage of justice in Australian history.
    All of the principals in its promotion ought to be imprisoned.

  4. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If I pay half my income in tax, I’m somebody’s half-time slave, m0nts.

    when you include all the hidden and other taxes it’s way more than half. the left needs to be annihilated

  5. Chris

    The top 10% have taken 100% of the profits from increases in worker productivity since Reagan

    Uhuh.

  6. Calli;

    I haven’t bought a women’s magazine for years.

    If there was a feature article on Melania, I might be tempted. She sounds interesting.

    It would also be interesting to see the numbers – would sales go up or down?
    Until someone tries it, we’ll never know.
    The hate mailers win because no one will fight.

  7. Sydney Boy

    No Sparta patches, no Reapers, no skull and crossbones.

    And now we are being told NOT to comment about it on social media.

  8. Gab

    Harlequin Decline
    #2691419, posted on April 20, 2018 at 5:57 pm
    Old Ozzie,

    That last slab of text took 44 page downs on my laptop to get past which beats your previous record of 38 page downs set the other day.

    How about being a little more selective?

    Many have asked him, Harlequin, but he just keeps ignoring and posts away all day long with massive slabs of text – in italics and bolded to make it even harder on the eyes. Still, he probably doesn’t have much else to do during his day.

  9. Sydney Boy

    The top 10% have taken 100% of the profits from increases in worker productivity since Reagan.

    And that is why the standard of living has not increased since Reagan.

    You are an idiot, Monst. Actually, make that fat idiot.

  10. Steve trickler.

    True events on the battlefield, in a new light. Geeez.

    Impressive, Ladies and Gents.



  11. Infidel Tiger

    And that is why the standard of living has not increased since Reagan.

    There’s a good case that the standard of living hasn’t improved since Reagan.

  12. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2691432, posted on April 20, 2018 at 6:27 pm
    Asking a question (How many years …) is not the same as making a prediction (She will get xxx years).

    You are asserting she is getting years in gaol either way, BJ. You’re not wriggling out of it.

    Two points slimeball.

    First, go do a reading comprehension course.

    Second, you tried to verbal me with a specific allegation that I had been posting for months “about how Clinton, Lynch, Holder, Obama, McCabe, et al et al were all going to face imminent charges”, challenged, you produced a rhetorical question from yesterday, which did not support your claim. To borrow your words, you’re not wriggling out of it. Evidence or shut up, go to your room and have sweet dreams over a cartoon of Nixon in jail.

  13. Infidel Tiger

    The same metric that tells us living standards have improved is telling us open borders is bonzer.

  14. Sydney Boy

    There’s a good case that the standard of living hasn’t improved since Reagan.

    Life expectancy has risen in the US by 3 years since Reagan was president … but I think it will start to trend downwards soon.

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    The top 10% have taken 100% of the profits from increases in worker productivity since Reagan

    M0nty – Prices have been falling at or even faster than productivity has been rising.

    I should know, I’ve spent my whole career chasing that slippery slope. (The graph kicks up in the early 2000’s with the rise of China – as the price equation flipped from oversupply to a supply shortage.)

    That graph also doesn’t take into account that copper ore is getting lower and lower in grade as the rich deposits are used up. So not only were the producers surviving a long term falling price but they were having to find ways to process lower grade ore and still survive.

    The economics are simple. When there is excess supply the price is the cost of production plus a razor thin margin. If someone tries to put their prices up another producer will undercut them. So the clearing price follows the cost of production downwards as people like me find ways to lower the production cost.

    Same goes with manufactured stuff. I had a standing fan die a couple months ago. It cost me $13 and lasted over a decade. So I went and bought another. It again cost me $13. So productivity has risen in Chinese fan manufacturers as fast as inflation.

    Neither the miners nor the manufacturers pocket much profit. It all goes to pay the bills – like the salaries for the wukkas.

  16. a rhetorical question from yesterday, which did not support your claim

    If it’s a rhetorical question then you are asserting that you already know the answer, BJ, and to ask it at all implies that you think she will be gaoled.

    Yet again, I am led to the inescapable conclusion that you are too thick to argue with.

  17. Tom

    As IT and JC say, it’s terrible what Old Ozzie is doing in jail-breaking so much paywalled content. Much better that the stupid proles be held in ignorant contempt by our betters (like IT and JC). Too much ignorance is barely enough for our elite.

    Shame on you, Old Ozzie.

    Only a revolutionary disestablishmentarianist would endorse your subversion.

  18. Snoopy

    And now we are being told NOT to comment about it on social media.

    Fortunately the Cat isn’t all that social.

  19. rickw

    And now we are being told NOT to comment about it on social media.

    Quit mate, the ADF’s fucked, Australia’s fucked, the whole joints rooted.

  20. Snoopy

    Yet again, I am led to the inescapable conclusion that you are too thick to argue with.

    But, hey, here you are.

  21. cohenite

    I rather enjoy Old Ozzie’s slab posting especially the bolded parts which saves me time thinking about what’s important.

  22. Neither the miners nor the manufacturers pocket much profit. It all goes to pay the bills – like the salaries for the wukkas.

    Corporate profits are skyrocketing, wages are stagnant. Your anecdotes are not data.

  23. Infidel Tiger

    Tom, I never said not to do it. I said don’t bother doing it for Henderson who is of no value to anyone.

    Take it easy fella.

  24. OldOzzie

    Rudd government’s home insulation scheme claimants seek $150m in damages – Tessa Akerman

    Home insulation installers, manufacturers and suppliers impacted by the failed Rudd government scheme are seeking more than $150m in damages in a Supreme Court trial beginning on Monday.

    The class action contains more than 140 businesses who claim the Commonwealth had a duty of care because it interfered in the existing market with its Home Insulation Program (HIP), causing businesses to expand and invest, before the scheme was suspended.

    The program to fund ceiling insulation at $1600 per home in an estimated minimum of 2.2 million homes was announced in February 2009.

    The program began on July 1 with an intended run of two and a half years however was suspended in February 2010.

    The amended statement of claim alleges the Commonwealth breached the duty of care by “negligently designing and/or implementing and/or administering” the program.

    It is alleged the Commonwealth knew by April 2009 they had reason to reconsider the program given the risk of injury during installation and the risk of damage to property.

    It’s claimed the early end of the program without warning caused loss and damage.

    Justice John Dixon will preside over the six week trial.

  25. Rae

    Don’t mind posting some columns in full, but not Henderson.

    He’s a tedious pedant.

    And he’s Warren Mundines current father-in-law. No surprise Miranda Devine likes Warren.

  26. Infidel Tiger

    Corporate profits are skyrocketing, wages are stagnant. Your anecdotes are not data.

    The middle class are being hosed to enrich the 1% and to keep the dregs in their dystopian stupor.

    It’s a terrible state of affairs.

    We need a return to the gold standard and and end to corporatism and welfarism.

  27. Rae

    once in a while is okayish. Oldster is virtually posting the entire paper here each day. Those fuckers are trying to earn a living in a very hard market. Furthermore, they’re aligned to our thinking and we should support them a little.

    Yes. Pretty much what I said about a week or three ago.

  28. Sydney Boy

    Australian Greens leader Richard Di Natale said the reforms didn’t go far enough.
    “This is a sector that is rotten to the core and it needs to be reformed,” he said in Melbourne.

    Always do the opposite of what the Greens and GetUp and the ABC and Fairfax, etc, etc, say.

    Therefore I love banks and I think they are awesome.

  29. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Corporate profits are skyrocketing, wages are stagnant. Your anecdotes are not data.

    and your data doesn’t show correlation

  30. Infidel Tiger

    Life expectancy has risen in the US by 3 years since Reagan was president … but I think it will start to trend downwards soon.

    Import the third world get third world results.

  31. Baldrick

    SCROLL THE TROLL 👹 ™

  32. 132andBush

    And now we are being told NOT to comment about it on social media.

    That ain’t gonna fly.

  33. Sydney Boy

    Corporate profits are skyrocketing, wages are stagnant. Your anecdotes are not data.

    So invest in these companies and receive the dividends. Or sit back and whinge that everyone else is making money except you and get revenge by playing the pokies.

  34. Tom

    I said don’t bother doing it for Henderson who is of no value to anyone.

    If only Hendo looked sexy in a Che Guevara beret, our elite rightist thought leaders would feel saved. Come on down, Hendo! Lay your transcendental hand on IT’s furrowed soul.

  35. OldOzzie

    Matt Johnston: Daniel Andrews’ bizarre UFU Stockholm syndrome

    A FEW months after Labor was elected in 2014, a private memo sent to Premier Daniel Andrews by one of his advisers discussed how to handle United Firefighters Union boss Peter Marshall.

    After running through promises Labor had made to the UFU, and how the government was tracking towards them, the advice came to “political considerations”.

    It noted that Marshall had already “crossed the line” as to what was considered acceptable behaviour, and that he had “leaked many conversations and letters to the media”. The advice said the UFU boss should be reminded to act respectfully.

    Three years later, we are so far past the “line” Marshall crossed, it’s disappeared from sight.

    His performance on ABC Radio on Wednesday, when he suggested he had a secret deal with Andrews, was carefully orchestrated to cause maximum damage.

    “There were a number of promises and they will come out in near future,” he said calmly. “You will know what they are in good time.”

    Incredulous program host Raf Epstein used the opportunity to ask about rumours that Marshall has a recording of the Premier saying something disparaging.

    “You’ll have to ask Dan Andrews that,” he said.

    Andrews said it was rubbish.

    This wasn’t a newbie union hack who had been a long-time listener but first-time caller, stumbling into admissions about secret tapes. This was a clever and militant union leader who has run a scorched-Earth policy for decades to get what he wants for his members.

    Perpetually framing every issue related to the fire services in a certain manner, Marshall has convinced nearly all his members that it’s “us against them” when it comes to government, media, other unions, or even the handful of firefighters who have dared question his methods. There is no middle ground.

    Some Labor figures have considered cutting ties with Marshall in the past.

    Marshall, himself, has run away from Labor before and into the arms of the Greens, when former premier Steve Bracks was refusing to mollycoddle him.

    No one thinks the UFU will do that again, because as multiple Labor ministers said today: “We have given him everything he ever wanted.”

    Even some other union leaders have had enough, but it’s doubtful that will translate to anything more than comrades giving a wet lettuce leaf beating at Trades Hall on a week night.

    One minister described Marshall’s performance as “sabre-rattling”. Another said it was “bizarre” he effectively announced his political blackmail strategy.

    Opposition Leader Matthew Guy said it sounded like “holding the government to ransom”.

    In a week that Guy should have faced more scrutiny for changing party policy on an injecting room trial without discussing it with shadow ministers responsible, it was another gift for the Coalition.

    Some MPs think the real reason Marshall is ranting again isn’t what it seems — that a government panel has chosen a UK firefighter to be the head of the MFB.

    One minister said it would be funny if it wasn’t so stupid that the UFU was accusing this government of backing a “union-busting” candidate.

    The question on most voters’ lips is not what Andrews does next about this, or about what the UFU says about the government tomorrow. It’s why the hell is our government still drowning in this mess three years after it first bubbled to the surface.

    Many Labor MPs believe they can cling on to power at the next election by sandbagging seats, and think they are not travelling too badly despite the fact that the fire services and other self-inflicted wounds continue emerging.

    Others think that seats will fall in November — including in some surprising places — and Andrews is wounded.

    All dream of being in a government where they don’t have to placate this rabid union every few months, which can’t see how good it has things. Can anyone remember the paramedics union, the nurses union, or the police union were running riot this term?

    Some MPs realise their dream can become reality if they want it to be.

    There are a growing number of people willing to go to war with the UFU, if that’s what it takes. At the moment, not many, if any, appear to have the gumption.

    Andrews certainly doesn’t.

    He’s had three years of pain, what’s another six months?

    It’s a political Stockholm syndrome that’s reached bizarre levels.

    What shouldn’t be forgotten is that Emergency Services Minister James Merlino had an opportunity — no matter how hard it would have been — to stop the government-appointed panel’s choice for chief officer, Dan Stephens. The UFU wanted a different man. It didn’t get its way.

    There are some early indications that more MPs have had enough of the UFU after seeing this week’s performance.

    Whether they’re willing to stick their head above the parapet and demand a change in the Premier’s blind obedience is questionable.

    Until that happens, we await the next Marshall moment.

    — Matt Johnston is state politics editor

  36. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So invest in these companies and receive the dividends. Or sit back and whinge that everyone else is making money except you and get revenge by playing the pokies.

    Well said.

  37. Sydney Boy

    Quit mate, the ADF’s fucked, Australia’s fucked, the whole joints rooted.

    But when it all falls apart, I will have access to machine guns 🙂

  38. Rae

    That’s a fair gap between supply and demand in SA.
    Those diesel backup gensets will be roaring…

    Fair gap between supply and demand in NSW too. No diesel gensetS roaring here, but so what? It’s a National grid and I don’t give a rats derriere if one state buys electricity from another.

  39. 132andBush

    Just told my youngest Army Cadet son to frame his Reapers patch from last years AFX.
    Older sons have their Sparta patches courtesy of a very dedicated Lt Col from Army in years past.

    On current trajectory this years patch for Echo will be a trans gendering Blinky Bill.

    FMD

  40. calli

    Fortunately the Cat isn’t all that social.

    Where’s Arky? I hope he has forgiven me for my stirring this morning.

  41. Infidel Tiger

    So invest in these companies and receive the dividends. Or sit back and whinge that everyone else is making money except you and get revenge by playing the pokies.

    That’s great advice.

    Right up their with “you could afford a house if you didn’t eat smashed avo on toast once a month”

    FFS. The middle class have been priced out of the Australian dream and we are giving them this bullshit?

  42. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Hungarian man kicked out of England because he expressed a negative view on Muslim migrants.

  43. Siltstone

    It’s a National grid and I don’t give a rats derriere if one state buys electricity from another.
    until the interconnector goes down (or no longer has capacity)

  44. Sydney Boy

    Right up their with “you could afford a house if you didn’t eat smashed avo on toast once a month”

    More like smashed avo at a cafe twice a week at $17 a hit. And you reckon you can’t afford a couple of $4 bank shares per month? Keep hitting those pokies IT. Soon everyone will be jealous of your success.

  45. Infidel Tiger

    More like smashed avo at a cafe twice a week at $17 a hit. And you reckon you can’t afford a couple of $4 bank shares per month? Keep hitting those pokies IT. Soon everyone will be jealous of your success.

    I’m rich as fuck and I know simple mathematics. $17 avo on toast twice a day every day isn’t stopping a young family buying a house or being able to invest in the share market. It’s our ponzi economy that has been gamed by the boomers and the top of town.

  46. Harlequin Decline

    Calli,

    Some advice if you have the time.

    Been trying to grow Golden Pencil Pine from cuttings. I’ve done all the correct things as far as I know, cut the stem at an angle, soaked it, used (ahem)rooting powder, planted in irish moss, coarse sand and perlite and kept it from drying out but the bastard things refuse to grow.

    What am I missing?

  47. Shy Ted

    The USA gets Mad Dog Mattiss, we get Compassionate Campbell. Or something else beginning with C. Like Cat Lady Campbell. Or Cuddly Campbell.

  48. Tel

    And you reckon you can’t afford a couple of $4 bank shares per month?

    You mean $8 for the bank shares, plus $50 brokerage, don’t you?

  49. Tel

    If I pay half my income in tax, I’m somebody’s half-time slave, m0nts.

    The share croppers got the same deal, but they got free accommodation and tools were provided.

    I have to pay for accommodation and tools.

  50. Delta A

    From The $Oz:

    Former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce and his partner Vikki Campion have named their baby boy after his birth earlier this week.

    Congratulations to Cat, Grandpa Campion, on the birth of his little grandson. After the stormy and frequently nasty reporting leading up to this event, this little boy is going to need lots of special grandfatherly loving to help guide him through the years ahead.

    All the best, Peter.

  51. RobK

    It’s a National grid and I don’t give a rats derriere if one state buys electricity from another.
    Fair enough, just realize at the moment they are buying it not because it’s cheaper but because its all they can get. All the inefficient open cycle gas and diesel turbines are running red hot, costing lots to run.

  52. Sydney Boy

    It’s our ponzi economy that has been gamed by the boomers and the top of town.

    It a whole bunch of things. Firstly, the supply of land is finite – thus its value will always rise. Governments restrict supply or development. Taxation and welfare rules permit (sorry, encourage) pensioners to live in multi-$M houses and still collect the pension, and changes to superannuation discourage people to save for their own retirement, and taxation rules treat housing different to other asset investment classes.

  53. Tel

    Life expectancy has risen in the US by 3 years since Reagan was president … but I think it will start to trend downwards soon.

    I’m pretty sure that life expectancy is higher if you avoid heroin addiction, but I’m not telling people what’s best for them or anything.

  54. Mark A

    Sydney Boy
    #2691522, posted on April 20, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    More like smashed avo at a cafe twice a week at $17 a hit. And you reckon you can’t afford a couple of $4 bank shares per month? Keep hitting those pokies IT. Soon everyone will be jealous of your success.

    I know a couple who spend half their spare income on every kind of lotto. Have been doing it for many years.
    I suggested to them to buy a certain share every week with half their lotto money. Those shares were less than $10 then, now they are in the low hundreds and steady dividends year in year out.

    They told me shares were too risky, I kid you not. And this from people playing tattslotto for God’s sake

  55. Sydney Boy

    Where are you buying shares, Tel? Save $8 per week and buy the shares annually and pay brokerage once per year. And you can definitely do better than $50.

  56. RobK

    Yes, all the best to Peter and family. Congratulations gramps!

  57. Rae

    Dinner was fantastic tonight. Roast butterflied shoulder of lamb with rosemary and garlic plus baked veggies, followed by Nannas apple crumble with vanilla ice cream. Accompanied with a bottle of 2014 DeJuliis Sangiovese Rosé. Enjoying the last glass watching The Storm v The Broncos.

  58. Mark A

    People who spend that sort of money on avocado have similar spending habits in other areas as well.
    Don’t forget that.

  59. calli

    I’ve never had much success with striking conifers. I presume you are doing semi-hardwood cuttings (Autumn) not soft tip (Spring). You have to strip off material along the stem a couple of inches (just run your nail down the stem).

    Put the cuttings around the edge of the pot (black plastic so it heats up nicely) and make a mini greenhouse with a freezer bag and a rubber band to increase humidity. Also use a dibber (lead pencil) to make a hole for the cutting, otherwise all the hormone powder rubs off. Try the gel as it tends to stick.

    If all else fails, try soft tip cuttings in Spring. The sap will be running and you may have more success.

    Never try growing from seed as it won’t run true to type.

    The Golden Pencil Pine is a lucky chance mutation that happened at Swane’s Nursery in Sydney. It has travelled around the world.

  60. Tom

    Congratulations to Cat, Grandpa Campion, on the birth of his little grandson. After the stormy and frequently nasty reporting leading up to this event, this little boy is going to need lots of special grandfatherly loving to help guide him through the years ahead.

    +1.

  61. Tel

    Where are you buying shares, Tel? Save $8 per week and buy the shares annually and pay brokerage once per year. And you can definitely do better than $50.

    Open a bank account to save the $8 per week which will charge you something like $5 per month, and then when you only spend $356 on one parcel of shares per year you won’t get great deals on borkerage, I can assure you of that.

    Then after that you need to track it for the tax which will either cost you more time or more money, or both.

  62. Rae

    All the inefficient open cycle gas and diesel turbines are running red hot, costing lots to run.

    Maybe. Can’t see that on your linked supply and demand bar chart. They (SA) and we (NSW are just showing more demand than supply for our individual states. So, they and we are being supplies the excess requirement by QLD and VIC atm. But, that is the way it’s supposed to work on a national grid.

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    Corporate profits are skyrocketing, wages are stagnant. Your anecdotes are not data.

    Haha. Companies are bigger not more profitable. So if a company has doubled in size and it’s getting the same ROI then the profit is double too.

    The average return on shares has been a very steady at around 7% long term. I think it is 7.8% for the ASX but I can’t find a reference for that.

    So if the long term return from companies is an average 7% per year then they can hardly be skyrocketing can they?

    Yes the ROI can bounce around. It tends to be higher at the peak of the boom, which we now are at. Trump has extended the boom. When the crash comes profitability will dive. That’s the bad time for employees as companies are forced to cut staff to survive. I’ve been through three or four such rounds of redundancies and two companies I worked for went bankrupt eventually. But you wouldn’t know about that sort of thing would you M0nty? Government never cuts staff, it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger until the whole country crashes and burns.

  64. RobK

    I’ve never had much success with striking conifers. 
    I find my stihl is about as effective as my husqvana.

  65. Nick

    On current trajectory this years patch for Echo will be a trans gendering Blinky Bill.

    Blinky being a male will be eschewed. The aptly named she-bear, Nutsy, will be deemed as being far more appropriate

  66. Harlequin Decline

    calli
    #2691540, posted on April 20, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    Thanks, will try the gel and give it another go in spring.

  67. Oh come on

    all (((They))) have left!

    Don’t start with that ((())) shit, TG. Next you’ll be fretting about the JQ. Give yourself an uppercut. And then another.

  68. Shy Ted

    I still believe fallen women like Stormy Daniels can be saved. And if you wouldn’t mind saving me one just like her…

  69. Infidel Tiger

    People who spend that sort of money on avocado have similar spending habits in other areas as well.
    Don’t forget that.

    This is the trite bullshit spouted by people who have no idea of the economic divide that is ruining this country.

    Use your brain for a change you thick xunt. Did you ever consider that they may blow all their disposable income of avocados and beard wax because they have been priced out of what was taken for granted by the boomers?

    The dearth of knowledge on this blog of basic life is staggering.

  70. Oh come on

    Not all the rich are scum. I know a big chunk of the upper class has got there by crossing the palms of shitbag politicians – which does result in tangible losses for the productive who don’t have that kind of access – but there are many others who have made their money honestly. Someone like Ron Manners springs to mind.

  71. Dave in Marybrook

    Whilst the hormones are running hot, any tips for striking mulberry cuttings?

  72. Oh come on

    Did you ever consider that they may blow all their disposable income of avocados and beard wax because they have been priced out of what was taken for granted by the boomers?

    True. The logic works at the top echelons of the wealth ladder, too – and you could apply the same critique. Look at that petty millionaire blowing his hard-earned on his river launch when he could be saving for a Gulfstream. Actually, he genuinely can’t afford a private jet.

  73. Mark A

    So if one have no hope of buying a 5 Mil mansion, then might as well give up, spend it all and not save for a nice 600k house.

    And some here spouting crap about dearth of knowledge of life on this blog.

  74. calli

    Whilst the hormones are running hot, any tips for striking mulberry cuttings?

    Hardwood cuttings in winter. Take cuttings the size of lead pencils. Six to eight in a bundle, dip them in hormone gel and pot up in propagating mix. Water and stand back.

  75. Snoopy

    Beard wax. Is that what beauty salons use for crafting landing strips?

  76. Oh come on

    If you’re young, single and earning $50-70kpa, living and working in Sydney, you aren’t buying a place anywhere near where you work any time soon. You’re probably spending a quarter to a third of your income on rent, maybe more. Let’s say you live on the absolute bones of your arse when accounting for the rest of your outgoings. Save whatever’s left over. Maybe in 20 years of living like a monk you can afford a downpayment on some dogbox built by Harry Triguboff around the time you were born. Alternatively, you can enjoy the odd semi-fancy breakfast, a daily takeaway espresso coffee, the ability to drop a couple of hundred bucks at a wanky bar on a Friday night – and consequently you feel as though you have some quality of life.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    $600k house requires a $120k deposit.

    Smashed avo at $17 a pop… all a young couple have to do is forego smashed avo 7059 times and they have a deposit.

    Grow up Australia. Our economy and society is structurally and culturally broken. It’s a gigantic ponzi schem that is being gamed.

  78. Boambee John

    m0nty

    If it’s a rhetorical question then you are asserting that you already know the answer, BJ,

    You’re not real hot on rhetoric are you? Look up “rhetorical question”.

    Meanwhile, where is the evidence for your statement that I posted “about how Clinton, Lynch, Holder, Obama, McCabe, et al et al were all going to face imminent charges”?

    Stop wriggling and answer, you are like a slimy eel (rhetorically, of course).

  79. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A Russian billionaire has been ordered by a court in London to hand over a 350-million-pound ($638 million) superyacht to his ex-wife as part of Britain’s biggest-ever divorce battle.

    Justice Haddon-Cave at the High Court ruled that Farkhad Akhmedov, 62, had used evasive and underhand tactics to keep the yacht beyond the reach of the English courts and avoid paying his wife, Tatiana Akhmedova.


    In 2016, the court awarded her 453 million pounds ($825 million) because of her “equal contributions to the welfare of the family”.

    The figure, the largest sum ever awarded for a divorce settlement in Britain, made up 41.5 per cent of Mr Akhmedova’s estimated 1.3-billion-pound ($2.37 billion) fortune.

  80. Oh come on

    Even in Perth, where real estate has fallen through the floor over the last few years, $600k won’t buy you a family house anywhere you’d want to live.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    How broken is our society where we think $600k is fair value for a fucking house!

  82. Sydney Boy

    Sounds terrible Tel. Might as well just send me your $365 per year. I’ll take care of it for you. You too, IT. Might as well give up and just send your remaining disposable income to me seeing as you believe it is worthless.

  83. Oh come on

    Actually, property prices have fallen in Perth – but not nearly as much as they could

  84. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If you’re young, single and earning $50-70kpa, living and working in Sydney, you aren’t buying a place anywhere near where you work any time soon

    the price of housing reflects the buying power of working couples not singles.

  85. Oh come on

    the price of housing reflects the buying power of working couples not singles.

    No, the price of housing reflects demand relative to supply.

    When the Boomers were kids, their parents could afford a quarter acre three-by-one in a middling suburb. On a single income.

  86. Geriatric Mayfly

    Justice Haddon-Cave at the High Court ruled that Farkhad Akhmedov, 62

    I thought Mr Farkhead lived next door to Sophie, that delightful little scribe who occasionally writes for Pickering. Isn’t there always some friction between the neighbours over a pig and a goat in flagrante.? Never any mention of a super yacht.

  87. Infidel Tiger

    the price of housing reflects the buying power of working couples not singles.

    Incorrect.

    The price of housing reflects the breakdown of the family, rampant immigration, crazy zoning laws, a corrupt building industry, a corrupt banking system, stamp duty, NIMBYism and a tax system that has completely distorted the ability of young people to enter a market that is necessary for a functioning society.

  88. Nick

    The price of housing reflects the breakdown of the family, rampant immigration, crazy zoning laws, a corrupt building industry, a corrupt banking system, stamp duty, NIMBYism and a tax system that has completely distorted the ability of young people to enter a market that is necessary for a functioning society.

    Unfortunately true. Worse still, you have NIMBY Greens voters who believe in open borders but don’t want housing development anywhere near where they live. It’s economic apartheid.

  89. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The price of housing reflects the breakdown of the family, rampant immigration, crazy zoning laws, a corrupt building industry, a corrupt banking system, stamp duty, NIMBYism and a tax system that has completely distorted the ability of young people to enter a market that is necessary for a functioning society.

    the median family income in sydney is $2700/wk, median unit price is $675k which is only a multiple of 5 times income. deposit is ony $68k. gets you a foot on the property ladder.

  90. Boambee John

    m0nty

    Macquarie Dictionary of Newspeak: Rhetorical question: a question designed to produce an effect and not to draw an answer.

    Produced quite an effect on you, didn’t it?

    PS, I asked that question in response to a comment from you. Go back and look at your original comment.

  91. Oh come on

    HIF’s TV ad doesn’t feature the benefits of using its health insurance products. It features a cutesy puppet dog bragging it was the first health insurance company to go carbon neutral. Then it brags it was the first health insurance company to support marriage equality. Then it demands cuddles.

    Way to alienate 40% of the market.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    the median family income in sydney is $2700/wk, median unit price is $675k which is only a multiple of 5 times income. deposit is ony $68k. gets you a foot on the property ladder.

    This is the sort of thinking that shows why our country is fucked.

    If the median price of a fucking unit is $675k, the property ladder is leading towards a noose.

    Not to be rude, but you aren’t smart enough to understand the material. Stay out of this convo please.

  93. Nick

    OCO, just wait till the dog extols it’s the first to be able to marry their master. Can’t be long off.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Have another drink IT, you can rail more constructively that way.

  95. Oh come on

    Seriously. The elites are acting as though the SSM Yes vote won by a margin seen in North Korean elections.

    Almost 40% of respondents voted No. That’s a very large minority.

  96. Infidel Tiger

    Listen Mr White Pride, if you want any future for Australian families you better hope that a family home doesn’t require mum and dad to both work and mean buying a badly built shitbox for $675k to “get on the property ladder”.

  97. Snoopy

    If you’re young, single and earning $50-70kpa,

    If compulsory superannuation is regarded as tax, a single earning $60kpa, sharing a rental unit, running a car, enjoying a couple of drinks a day and three packets of smokes a week is paying almost 40% of their salary in tax.

  98. Infidel Tiger

    If compulsory superannuation is regarded as tax, a single earning $60kpa, sharing a rental unit, running a car, enjoying a couple of drinks a day and three packets of smokes a week is paying almost 40% of their salary in tax.

    They’re fucked. They are trapped in perpetual adolescence by a system that doesn’t allow young people to become adults.

  99. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Module – Twilight Stolen (feat. Jess Chambers)

  100. Bruce of Newcastle

    Shorten has lit a fire under house prices. The suburbs around me are boiling hot at the moment.
    Lots of money moving out of franked dividend shares and into investment property I suspect.

    So the ALP has screwed housing affordability with their stupid franking credits brainfart.

  101. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Listen Mr White Pride, if you want any future for Australian families you better hope that a family home doesn’t require mum and dad to both work and mean buying a badly built shitbox for $675k to “get on the property ladder”.

    you’re a few decades late on that one IT. women have been driven into the workforce since the 70s. we had to save for nearly 2 years to get a deposit for our first house.

  102. Oh come on

    The Boomers did this.

  103. Oh come on

    Not all Boomers, I stress. Again. A very great many Boomers share the admirable qualities of their parents and grandparents. However, Boomer values have been defined by the Boomer children of Alinksy, not by their more sensible peers.

  104. H B Bear

    A Russian billionaire has been ordered by a court in London to hand over a 350-million-pound ($638 million) superyacht to his ex-wife as part of Britain’s biggest-ever divorce battle.

    That Luna yacht is seriously impressive but still takes a back seat to the NZ built and owned Ulysses if you ask me.

    Nothing says f-off wealth like one or two of these floating around in the Med over summer.

  105. H B Bear

    Pro tip – if you are a billionaire you don’t want to get divorced in the UK. Worst jurisdiction for it.

  106. Infidel Tiger

    you’re a few decades late on that one IT. women have been driven into the workforce since the 70s. we had to save for nearly 2 years to get a deposit for our first house.

    Good for you. A normal Australian couple can not even hope to save for a deposit in Sydney or Melbourne in this day and age. They face a life time of renting.

    And even if they do manage to buy a house they are then pumping all their income into a deadend asset rather than growing a business or investing elsewhere.

    We are turning into California and New York and not in a good way.

    Renter societies are socialist societies.

  107. H B Bear

    We are turning into California and New York and not in a good way.

    At least in the US you can hook up a U Haul and move to Texas, South Carolina or any one of another half dozen states with plenty of jobs and cheap housing. Can’t do that in Australia unless you head out of the major cities and can make a living away from the CBDs.

    Still suffer from uniform Australian tax rates and COAG working to eliminate any form of regulatory arbitrage and competition between States.

  108. Oh come on

    Renter societies are socialist societies.

    This is an interesting observation. Andrew Klavan made much the same point on his podcast recently. Apparently the US Founding Fathers were particularly taken with the idea of as many citizens as possible being landowners as a necessary precondition for a healthy civil society to flourish.

  109. Mark A

    Home and land owners have a stake in maintaining a civil society.
    Nothing to lose? Why bother?

  110. Infidel Tiger

    Zippy if you believe those numbers you are a complete dumbkopf. No wonder you believe in eugenics.

  111. Mark A

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2691620, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    List of countries by home ownership rate

    If anything Poland and Hungary are on the low side Zippy.
    Outside of the capital city it’s the norm to own your own house.

    Have not been working in Russia this last two years but the same goes for there as well.
    Renting in cities, yes it’s normal but in the countryside? Almost unheard of.

  112. Mark A

    Gab
    #2691626, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:40 pm

    Bring on the Republik!

    +100

  113. Snoopy

    There seems to be a significant negative correlation between home ownership rates and population growth.

  114. Baldrick

    Singapore with 90% home ownership. Bullshit.

  115. DrBeauGan

    Bring on the Republik!

    +100

    And Turnbull as first President.

  116. Gab

    During Queen Lizzie’s monarchy, she hasn’t interfered with how things are run in Australia. My bet is once Chucky gets the crown, he’ll be putting his 3 cents’ worth into everything and commenting on what we should be doing.

  117. Entropy

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2691624, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:32 pm
    Prince Charles confirmed as Queen Elizabeth II’s successor as head of the Commonwealth
    Gab
    #2691626, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:40 pm
    Bring on the Republik!
    Mark A
    #2691628, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:41 pm
    Gab
    #2691626, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:40 pm

    Bring on the Republik!

    +100

    It would seem the Queen is following the practice of all modern corporate CEOs. Appoint someone to replace you who is guaranteed to stuff up. It makes the announcer look much better in comparison.

    See Gates>Ballmer
    Jobs>Cook
    Queenie > Charles.

  118. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2691631, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:47 pm

    Bring on the Republik!

    +100

    And Turnbull as first President.

    I meant it as the last desperate measure to stop big ears becoming king.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    Singapore with 90% home ownership. Bullshit.

    China and Cuba with 90%.

    Whoever did the stats also believes giving up smashed avo will lead you to the financial promised land.

  120. jupes

    Good stuff. Adelaide beat Sydney at the SCG.

  121. Gab

    And Turnbull as first President.

    You’re such a stirrer, BG

  122. Infidel Tiger

    Good stuff. Adelaide beat Sydney at the SCG.

    Two mentally weak teams supported by losers.

  123. DrBeauGan

    You’re such a stirrer, BG

    You called for a republic, Gab. You and Mal both think it’s a good idea, but you won’t, alas, be the president.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Striking cuttings. I haven’t tried to do that. But I did put into a glass of water a few stems of Rosemary that I broke off from an overflowing hedge of it I came across on one of my local walks. I meant to dry it out and put it on roasts. Forgot about it, stuck in a corner windowsill, and two weeks later I note that there are roots growing everywhere out of the stems underwater. Put them into a pot plant where something had died (I have more than a few of those) and they are thriving. I could make a whole hedge myself now.

    Amazing!

  125. jupes

    Two mentally weak teams supported by losers.

    True. It’s a pity they both couldn’t lose however it is always good to see Sydney go down.

  126. Mark A

    Infidel Tiger
    #2691639, posted on April 20, 2018 at 10:53 pm

    Good stuff. Adelaide beat Sydney at the SCG.

    Two mentally weak teams supported by losers.

    OH OK now I see. you are just stirring. Playing the contrarian.
    Whatever the subject you are against.

  127. John Constantine

    It is their smashed avocados walking through the doors of their abc offices every morning, to broadcast Stalinism from their billion dollar debtfunded bully pulpit, that are the foundation of transforming the Australian polity into proles that are publicly transported, unit renting, vegan, sit down to piss, deindustrialised, decolonialised and routinely sodomised.

    The smashed avocado on toast not so much.

  128. Infidel Tiger

    No. Sydney and Adelaide are both mentally weak teams who have choked big time.

    Also Australian housing is ridiculously unaffordable and the associated costs are damaging our society and jeopardising our future.

    If my truth bombs scare you, change the channel.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And Turnbull as first President.

    I’ll bet good money that that’s next on Lord Waffles bucket list.

  130. John Constantine

    Went for a look around the lambing ewe paddocks and to cast an eye over the afternoons burnoff of the dry grass paddock.

    Could work up three reasonable shots at foxes and got them, but annoyingly there were a few others that just offered glimpses then fled.

  131. jupes

    Steyn wins his lawsuit against CRTV.

    Speaking as an attorney, the conventional legal term for the result (at least in my jurisdiction) is a Monumental Ass-Kicking. Rarely does one side in a complex case like that so one-sidedly mop the floor with the opponent–especially when the opponent has instigated the lawsuit.

    Let’s hope he wins his other lawsuit against Michael Mann just as comprehensively.

  132. Mark A

    Infidel Tiger
    #2691645, posted on April 20, 2018 at 11:03 pm
    Also Australian housing is ridiculously unaffordable and the associated costs are damaging our society and jeopardising our future.

    I’m sorry, I disagree with that, highly priced, yes, unaffordable, no.
    You must move in different circles.
    I know many young tradesmen and others, who in their twenties are buying their first home.
    ————————————
    If my truth bombs scare you, change the channel.

    I’m quite comfortable here thank you very much, and your “truth” bombs carry little truth.
    They are little fire crackers at most.
    If I can put up with the numerous socks, I can put up with you comfortably.
    You at least are amusing, in your raving ranting way.

  133. zyconoclast

    Has anyone ever seen Jackie Trad and Sophie Mirabella in the same room at the same time?

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Today, she asked why Tony Abbott funded and announced Safe Schools, when it was an initiative of the former ALP Government defeated in a landslide at the September 2013 Election.

    When you win in an absolute landslide against all forms of greenery (carbon tax dominating the show) and after Rudd/Gillard/Rudd and assorted ‘independents’ had destroyed Australian political life, why, oh why, would you not see the light, and dump Labor policies that added to the debt burden?

    Why, why, why, why, why? And why would you replace that winning leader with an ideological nightmare like Turnbull who was carbon tax central and still is? After the electorate had spoken so loudly against that way ‘forward’? Why didn’t the Libs immediately dump all the Labor boondoggles to save the maxed out national credit card? Remember how we all posted back those Gillard black balloons and ‘Clean Energy Future’ nonsense mail outs? But still it goes on; and the Paris Agreement was signed and now ruins us. I’d like to see Abbott back, but with some spine this time. I think he may have found it, but too late so far. Instead we’ve had more years of government pandering to ABC climate verbiage and schools being encouraged in all sorts of Marxism without hindrance or halt.

    Bah! Thinking over it, I am going to bed. Aust Cons have my vote, but it’s up to the Libs to Act Now.
    For God’s sake, someone, somewhere, GO BACK, WRONG WAY.

  135. zyconoclast

    Rudd government’s home insulation scheme claimants seek $150m in damages – Tessa Akerman

    KRudd: such a generous man. He just keeps giving and giving (OPM)

  136. JC

    One of the things killing right of centre politics is the idea that the top 10% of income earners are “lifters” and paying their fair share.

    It’s the middle class who are being hollowed out by both sides.

    Fuck the rich. They are scum.

    All levels are doing more than well in the US. Income is a terrible thing to fixate on. Obsess on one thing and one thing only, if you must. And that is real per capita consumption. The line has been in the same slope since 1960.

  137. Dave in Marybrook

    Nurseries are peppered with English mulberries, Morus alba. Fast-growing, willowy, fruits in November, easy to strike, suckers and watershoots everywhere. I’m trying to strike a much older (ie older in the landscape here), tastier and later-maturing Afghan mulberry, M. nigra. There’s some around every house and dairy that’s more than seventy odd years old, so the knack must have been known at one stage. The one time a had a dozen cuttings take, I’d put them in amongst a crown row of spuds, and they got accidentally harvested.
    Actually, maybe that’s the rub? I know roses can be propogated by poking them in a tater.

  138. Mark A

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2691652, posted on April 20, 2018 at 11:28 pm

    Today, she asked why Tony Abbott funded and announced Safe Schools, when it was an initiative of the former ALP Government defeated in a landslide at the September 2013 Election.

    When you win in an absolute landslide against all forms of greenery (carbon tax dominating the show) and after Rudd/Gillard/Rudd and assorted ‘independents’ had destroyed Australian political life, why, oh why, would you not see the light, and dump Labor policies that added to the debt burden?

    Why you ask?
    Because he is one of them.

    The less said about TA’s leadership the better.

  139. Alinsky is to blame for the boomers, according to OCO. That’s a new one. Is he also at fault for Raspberry Coke?

  140. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Mark A at 11:14 pm:

    “Infidel Tiger
    #2691645, posted on April 20, 2018 at 11:03 pm
    Also Australian housing is ridiculously unaffordable and the associated costs are damaging our society and jeopardising our future.
    … and your “truth” bombs carry little truth.
    They are little fire crackers at most.

    You at least are amusing, in your raving ranting way.”

    Occasionally.

  141. Kev

    I’m guessing the days are numbered for 7 RAR’s mascot (a pig) When we first thought of it the Colonels and Generals fought hard to stop the Pig. The diggers fought harder and won and the pig has served in all theatres since Vietnam and is all over 7RAR’s current home in SA.
    I note some diggers have nickname the new chief “Care Bear Campbell” – not a good start and neither is his first public statement.

  142. Big Red

    Was told by an elderly lady to dip mulberry cuttings in honey, apparently works for white mulberry cuttings too. On the republic thing let’s vote yes to a republic the vote Abbott666 for president -really screw with Turnbull!

  143. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I note some diggers have nickname the new chief “Care Bear Campbell” – not a good start and neither is his first public statement.

    I’ll pay that one.

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