Open Forum: April 21, 2018

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  1. Infidel Tiger

    Nothing like this has happened in human history. A combination of cultural preferences, government decree and modern medical technology in the world’s two largest countries has created a gender imbalance on a continental scale. Men outnumber women by 70 million in China and India.

    What mealy mouthed bullshit. They abort the sheilas. It’s that simple.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    While on such things I learned yesterday some stuff related Mueller’s other “big catch”: Manafort.

    It seems that the collusion Manafort was supposed to be doing with the Russophile Ukranians was done as a team effort with Tony Podesta. And Tony Podesta was lobbying via his Podesta Group. Which is a partnership with his brother John Podesta of the emails.

    So if Mueller succeeds in indicting Manafort he could well also take down Tony and John Podesta, Democrat Royalty™, for the same thing.

    Won’t that be awesome?

  3. Some History

    smoke from a distant fire (Sanford Townsend Band)
    https://tinyurl.com/y9l8jfz9

    i saw the light [in your eyes] (Todd Rundgren)
    https://tinyurl.com/j8duge7

  4. Men outnumber women by …

    Post-WWI UK, Europe, post-WWII Europe, Japan, China, SE Asia would have had much larger c**t to c**k ratios.

  5. pete m

    Myrddin Seren
    #2691924, posted on April 21, 2018 at 11:24 am
    IT
    You’re being conned again Donald.
    Think.
    Do you actually believe that the whole US Administration is simply swallowing comments from Kim Il Beer Pig at face value ?

    + 1

    Also, weren’t the missiles into Libya nicely timed with negotiations with NK?

  6. rickw

    What mealy mouthed bullshit. They abort the sheilas. It’s that simple.

    And infanticide of sheila’s.

    The consequences are perfect for societies that truly undervalue women.

    Note that The West does not appear on this list.

  7. RobK

    Also, weren’t the missiles into Libya nicely timed with negotiations with NK?
    I think even Putin appreciated that.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Masters in Proving Rae’s Point for you.

    Rae – most of the “degrees” on that list should barely be certificate level courses, let alone diplomas. That is why what you wrote was so hilarious.

    And so, another Digital Retard finds how to use Google …

    Chris just followed the link I gave. You will see the person referred to on that page.

    I didn’t use Google for any of this. I’ve commented on NSW Tafe’s mickey mouse degrees before. Plus the credentialism of having stuff like childminding as a bachelor degree. Crazy.

    I’m sad that TAFE is going down the stupid lefty edumacation pathway. Their training of tradesmen is a high valued service. They should stick to that.

  9. rickw

    My military ancestors would view Angus as traitor.

    I think most contemporary Australians view Angus as a traitor.

    Military Forces kitted with emblems such as My Little Pony and Hello Kitty and which are chock a block full of Homo’s, Lesbians, Women and fuzzy objectives and thinking are more likely to precipitate a real attack.

    At which point the whole farce folds under reality.

    Male Citizens Soldiers emblazoned with Skulls, Grim Reapers, Demons, and War Paint must then assume the job of defending The Nation from the so called professional military.

    Angus is a treacherous A grade fuckwit.

  10. pete m

    IT why did they abort the chicks?

  11. slackster

    Poor James Comey:

    http://dcwhispers.com/alert-comey-to-cancel-book-tour-as-doj-investigates-his-illegal-classified-info-leaks/#IxD9D0TSopoUksIm.97

    “James Comey has gone from supremely smug to increasingly concerned as the long list of alleged crimes he committed during his tenure as FBI Director continues to grow. Perhaps most notable are his repeated leaks of classified information in what was a clearly politically-motivated attempt to do harm to a then-newly elected president.

    Comey’s team is said to be considering shortening/ canceling his book tour and limiting all future media appearances. His publisher apparently wants the tour to continue, likely thinking bad press is still good press when it comes to potential book sales. Speaking of which any help in that regard is needed as the book tour has been marked by small turnouts and overall interest by readers toward the Comey tell-all has been minimal.

  12. C.L.

    Trump just ended the most dangerous military stand-off in history …
    That’s why Monty is angry.
    The high-point of Obama’s diplomacy was the Beer Summit.

  13. woolfe

    Les Deplorables

    @woolfe

    In China and India, men outnumber women by 70 million.
    This wouldn’t be because females are aborted would it? Where is #metoo on this?

  14. notafan

    The majority are now English-speaking Nigerians who obtained visitor visas to the United States and are instead transiting to Roxham Road to get into Canada, according to both levels of government. The United States has recently been granting about 13,000 visitors visas a month to Nigerians

    how you like them little green apples, Justin?

  15. John Constantine

    What if Beria had have been able to access the facebook accounts of the world?.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/caesar-10.pdf

    If Australia is hellbent on replacing President joseph teddy turnbull-Stalin-snow and his consort winnie typhoid mary-turnfailure with Shorten the Gulag-Lord, the historical ‘what if’ Beria had replaced Stalin may need revisiting.

    Purges in the Age of Facebook are really going to mean something.

    If you don’t have an account for your show trial, how can you prove that you lived and breathed every revolutionary cause of the moment at the correct time, in the correct way?.

    Why were you the first one to stop liking the decolonisation meme?.

    Comrade.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    IT why did they abort the chicks?

    Men can bring in an income. Girls send you broke with the dowry.

    There much more prestige in having a boy.

    Third worlders hate sheilas with a passion.

  17. Confused Old Misfit

    There is no better dog than an Australian cattle Dog. Period. Full stop.

  18. Bruce of Newcastle

    The majority are now English-speaking Nigerians who obtained visitor visas to the United States and are instead transiting to Roxham Road to get into Canada

    Maybe one of them will bring Justin a present.

    Armed men storm Nigeria’s senate, stealing mace

    Lagos, Nigeria (CNN) — The Nigerian Senate was on high alert Wednesday after armed men interrupted a session at Nigeria’s parliament, stealing its mace.

    The men were allegedly led by suspended lawmaker Ovie Omo-Agege who seized the symbol of authority from the upper legislative chambers sitting in Nigeria’s capital Abuja, the Senate said.

    Looks like quite a heavy chunk of metal seeing that two guys had to carry it.

  19. Yes. Arguments between the RC and the Protestant position on ‘Enlightenments’ seem unhelpful to introduce into what is really a comment on ‘modernity’ within democracy,

    No one has introduced any arguments between RC and Protestant positions on ‘Enlightenments’, and even if we substitute Enlightenment for modernity it still makes no sense of Oriel’s claim that Western civilization is the love child of Christianity and the Enlightenment.

  20. John Constantine

    A shortage of available breeding age girl children compared to excess cannon fodder military age males is common throughout human history.

    All polygamous Big Man cultures with rapedungeon harems full of sex slavegirls have had the problem.

    Exporting the excess males to the West is the solution that female-shortage cultures have come up with.

    That or kill them off in raiding season.

  21. Dr Fred Lenin

    North Korea to stop nuclear tests . You should hear the leftists on alpbc trying to downplay this important event . “They have finished their testing” North Koreans are proud ot-r their nuclear capability”. . “They have won a victory getting the POTUS to the table” . Only thing not said YET.”this is only because of the groundwork laid by the beloved half black maximun leader obama “.
    We all know that Trump put the screws on Xi to pressurise Kim . he is the bitch of the Chinese so he complied wouldn’t be in power without the Chinese fascist party . All those presidents since the Korean War and Trump gets the Norks fascists to the rable at least they are talking not threatening .
    Remember the elites said “Trump knows nothing about foreign policy “ . You

  22. Rae

    I didn’t use Google for any of this. I’ve commented on NSW Tafe’s mickey mouse degrees before.

    Of course. And who would doubt your ability to eschew any use of Google? You just happened to type a link to the exact NSWTAFE web page and reproduce the exact degrees listed there without any resort to Google whatsoever.

  23. H B Bear

    Please do not feed the pigeons trolls.

  24. notafan

    I didn’t know that there were very distinctive Catholic and Protestant views on the enlightenment

    Thought it was far more Godlessness because humans are approaching perfection v Christianity

    ‘enlightenment’ came several hundred years after Protestantism, and in France it ought to have been called ‘enbloodiment’ just mass slaughter and destruction, as Roger eluded too.

  25. Chris

    There is no better dog than an Australian cattle Dog. Period. Full stop.

    Then why is a mincing poodle in Parliament?

  26. H B Bear

    The mincing poodle is the result of selective breeding of the Australian cattle dog in the failed state of Mainland Tasmania.

  27. mh

    Dr Fred Lenin
    #2691962, posted on April 21, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    North Korea to stop nuclear tests . You should hear the leftists on alpbc trying to downplay this important event . “They have finished their testing” North Koreans are proud ot-r their nuclear capability”. . “They have won a victory getting the POTUS to the table”

    I bet a lot of those leftists you are hearing Dr Fred are academics at our top universities. They are just white noise, while Trump is getting on with doing what he does best – getting results.

  28. Gab

    pecial treats for Max tonight.

    What a good looking dog too.

  29. Trump just ended the most dangerous military stand-off in history …
    That’s why Monty is angry.

    Kim: “We don’t need to test our nukes any more. We have operational ICBMs pointed at continental USA targets.”

    CL: “Peace in our time! Trump is God!”

  30. C.L.

    Wow. I’m just now reading about Brennan’s secret Moscow trip for Obama – at exactly the time the so-called Steele Dossier emerged.

  31. C.L.

    WikiLeaks announces it will counter-sue the DNC.

    WikiLeaks✔@wikileaks

    The Democrats are suing @WikiLeaks and @JulianAssange for revealing how the DNC rigged the Democratic primaries. Help us counter-sue. We’ve never lost a publishing case and discovery is going to be amazing fun

    :https://www.iamwikileaks.org/donate/

    I swear Trump has somebody in the DNC who organised this.

  32. John Constantine

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110314132244.htm

    Millions of throwaway military age males.

    Using migration agents to get them into the West or use them up Raiding the neighbors.

  33. Confused Old Misfit

    Then why is a mincing poodle in Parliament?

    Because South Australia is as queer as Don Duncan!

  34. Confused Old Misfit

    Brennan’s secret Moscow trip

    So! It was Brennan who peed the bed!

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    without any resort to Google whatsoever

    Quite so. I used DuckDuckGo. 😀

    I knew which page I wanted though, since, as I said, I’ve visited it before.

  36. What’s left to discover in the DNC? Wikileaks published all their hacked stuff.

  37. Confused Old Misfit

    Australian Cattle Dogs eat minced poodles for an afternoon snack.

  38. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What’s left to discover in the DNC? Wikileaks published all their hacked stuff.

    Butter wouldn’t melt in the DNC’s mouth, right…

  39. Boambee John

    On the subject of generals, years ago I heard a (possibly apocryphal) story about tge effects of promotion.

    Allegedly, while Mike Jeffrey was CO SASR, he and some of his officers were having a “bull session” in the mess, discussing how to make the Army better over a few beers. One officer was said to have commented to the CO “When you are a general, sir, you will be able to fix all of this”. The response was along the lines that “By the time I become a general, I will be part of the problem”.

    I always thought of this as a very humble response from a man who reached great heights. I am seeing it now as an expression of brutal reality.

  40. DrBeauGan

    No one has introduced any arguments between RC and Protestant positions on ‘Enlightenments’, and even if we substitute Enlightenment for modernity it still makes no sense of Oriel’s claim that Western civilization is the love child of Christianity and the Enlightenment.

    Dover, Western Civilisation after the Enlightenment and up to the twentieth century has been characterised by science and technology, the fruits of reason rather than dogma. Oriel’s claim is quite defensible.

    Notafan’s conflation of the Enlightenment with the French revolution is a tribute to her piety.

  41. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2691970, posted on April 21, 2018 at 12:34 pm
    Trump just ended the most dangerous military stand-off in history …
    That’s why Monty is angry.

    Kim: “We don’t need to test our nukes any more. We have operational ICBMs pointed at continental USA targets.”

    CL: “Peace in our time! Trump is God!”

    You have no understanding of the need for ongoing reliability testing have you?

    Found my comments about imminent indictments yet?

  42. H B Bear

    Anyone watch the footy last night? Buddy Franklin was oiled up pre-game like an extra in a gay porno. I can only assume this was to cater for the Sydney market following some Gillon McPolo-Pony led focus groups.

  43. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Men outnumber women by 70 million in China and India.

    what could possibly go wrong…

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    What’s left to discover in the DNC? Wikileaks published all their hacked stuff.

    M0nty – What I think CL means is that discovery will show up the Dems lie about Wussia! hacking them. Assange has said several times it was an insider leak. Then the next fun thing is who assassinated Seth Rich, the apparent bagman for the leak of a thumbdrive with Podesta’s emails. That could potentially lead to Dem potentates being jailed for murder.

    Is that sufficiently discoverable for you?

  45. JC

    That’s because they just didn’t like you.

    HILLARY: ‘They Were Never Going to Let Me Be President’…

  46. Bruce, sometimes you sound sane, but then halfway through your posts you start talking about crazy stuff and it becomes clear you are actually a crank.

  47. As ANZAC day approaches, a reminder of the King’s words:

    He whom this scroll commemorates
    was numbered among those who,
    at the call of King and Country, left all
    that was dear to them, endured hardness,
    faced danger, and finally passed out of
    the sight of men by the path of duty
    and self-sacrifice, giving up their own
    lives that others might live in freedom.
    Let those who come after see to it
    that his name be not forgotten.

  48. notafan

    Reality is that the West made progress over the last thousand plus years because of the freedom wrought by Christianity, in fits and starts, obviously; the ‘enlightenment’ is a product, not a cause.

    Not our best, by a long shot.

  49. JC

    Bruce

    The theory going around about Rich is that he wasn’t simply shot there on the street. He was badly beaten up and dumped out of a car and shot to be made to look like it was street robbery.

    Rich wasn’t ambling around at 2 in the morning looking for a Starbucks to get a Grande.

  50. There is no better dog than an Australian cattle Dog. Period. Full stop.

    As kids a heeler was assigned to each of us (or vice versa?).

    Instructions: Go where like, do what like but you must have the dog with you.

  51. JC

    Even if he wasn’t dumped from a car, Rich was walking around the DC neighbourhood at 4 in the morning.

    On July 10th, 2016, Rich was shot and killed while walking home at approximately 4:20 A.M. on a residential street in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of …

  52. Rossini

    Seco
    #2691876, posted on April 21, 2018 at 10:35 am
    Learn to use the scroll key. You become accustomed to those poster who are full of it!

  53. notafan

    Notafan’s conflation of the Enlightenment with the French revolution is a tribute to her piety.

    You know DrBG you have a big problem with putting people into boxes, weird ones to boot.

    The French Revolution is the ‘love child’ of the French Enlightenment and lookit, I’m not the only one that thinks so

    Alexis de Tocqueville described the French Revolution as the inevitable result of the radical opposition created in the 18th century between the monarchy and the men of letters of the Enlightenment. These men of letters constituted a sort of “substitute aristocracy that was both all-powerful and without real power”. This illusory power came from the rise of “public opinion”, born when absolutist centralization removed the nobility and the bourgeoisie from the political sphere. The “literary politics” that resulted promoted a discourse of equality and was hence in fundamental opposition to the monarchical regime.[57] De Tocqueville “clearly designates … the cultural effects of transformation in the forms of the exercise of power”

    Science and technology started way way before the 18th c, it might have speed up then but most like would have done so even without the ‘so called’ enlightenment.

    The fruits of which have been hardly an unalloyed success if you look hard and 19th an 20th c history.

  54. notafan

    I’ve noticed that enlightenment is a trigger word for you-can’t bear any criticism of those perfect men of letters?

    Are they your gods?

  55. Confused Old Misfit

    incoherent rambler
    #2691991, posted on April 21, 2018 at 12:54 pm
    As ANZAC day approaches, a reminder of the King’s words:
    Thank You.
    incoherent rambler
    #2691995, posted on April 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm
    Had a ratbag bluey like Max for 17 years. Had to have him put down when we went back to Canuckstan. Got a red healer over there and brought him back here! Only breed I’ll ever have.

  56. JC

    Monst

    I agree with Langdale’s twitter description.

    Langdale.ca
    ‏ @langdaleca

    Comey is fucked.

  57. JC

    Monst, I’ll repeat again so it sinks in

    Comey is fucked.

  58. History will not look kindly upon Comey, but he’s not going to gaol. Plenty of Trumpkins are, though.

  59. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Reality is that the West made progress over the last thousand plus years because of the freedom wrought by Christianity, in fits and starts, obviously; the ‘enlightenment’ is a product, not a cause.

    a contributing factor is hardly a “cause”. xtian revisionism

  60. John Constantine

    The pressure release valve of sending the third world’s excess throwaway military age males to the West cannot last long.

    Millions become tens of millions become hundreds of millions.

    As selective abortion of girls expands in the third world, the problem expands.

    Amongst the diversity diaspora in the West, demand for boy birth selective technology is intense, but statistics are not kept.

    No wonder receptive sodomy and booties are being taught as the solution for pale stale western boychildren.

    Comrades.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce, sometimes you sound sane, but then halfway through your posts you start talking about crazy stuff and it becomes clear you are actually a crank.

    M0nty – I am just citing what has been widely reported. Here‘s a report from lefty Newsweek. There’re plenty reports from righty media too, but I want you to feel comfortable.

    As we know the DNC has declined the FBI’s request to examine their server. Which is curious. They have pushed the Russian hacker thing when the data suggests a thumbdrive was used.

    The Russia-hacking excuse does double duty of keeping away from the problem of who killed Seth Rich and why, and furthering the Dems fairy story about Wussia! collusion.

    So you can see why Trump and Assange might welcome a forensic investigation of the Democrat Party’s dirty linen. All sorts of fun stuff might come out.

  62. DrBeauGan

    Reality is that the West made progress over the last thousand plus years because of the freedom wrought by Christianity, in fits and starts, obviously; the ‘enlightenment’ is a product, not a cause.

    True up to a point. The Enlightenment was a reaction to the authoritarianism and dogmatism of the more power hungry churchmen. It was about setting the mind free of dogma and was a development of Newton and the industrial revolution. It encouraged science more than the church was doing at the time.

    I agree that Christianity encouraged the use of reason, sometimes. This contrasts starkly with Islam. There has always been tension between faith and reason, with scepticism an important element of the latter. The great triumph of Aquinas was to recruit reason on the side of Christianity. We should all be grateful for it, or Christianity might have gone the way of Islam.

  63. Another day, another flip for Mueller: Keith Davidson, the lawyer who allegedly colluded with Cohen to spike stories of Trump’s dalliances.

  64. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2691990, posted on April 21, 2018 at 12:54 pm
    Bruce, sometimes you sound sane, but then halfway through your posts you start talking about crazy stuff and it becomes clear you are actually a crank.

    Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the insanest one of all?

    Found my comments about “imminent indictments” yet?

  65. DrBeauGan

    notafan
    #2692000, posted on April 21, 2018 at 1:08 pm
    I’ve noticed that enlightenment is a trigger word for you-can’t bear any criticism of those perfect men of letters?

    Are they your gods?

    Lol. I don’t suffer from your need to worship something, Notafan. I’m just fair minded enough to give credit where it’s due. You seem anxious to give Christianity the credit for all the good stuff and none of the bad stuff.

  66. recruit reason on the side of Christianity

    Sort of agree beaugan. I concur with the Melanie Phillips view that the Judeo-Christian god was one of fixed laws (of the universe) and it was/is a sacred duty, given the basics, to figure/reason what all those laws might be.
    Maybe this is why so many of the physicists, mathematicians and chemists that I know are practicing Christians. IMHO, the enlightenment was rise of reason and its incorporation into Christianity.

  67. The endarkenment which we are currently undergoing is the mastery of feelings over reason.

  68. Boambee John

    One of Obsma’s media men, Rhoades??, commented that modern journalists know nothing except political campaigns.

    m0nty claims to be a journalist. Just sayin’.

    But he is unable to track down the source for his political allegations about “imminent indictments”.

  69. Rae

    DuckDuckGo? Seriously, that is truly retarded. Guess you don’t tape over your PCs camera lens now, hey? Kudos for a half-good arse cover.

    I bookmark some sites too, but not NSWTAFE.

  70. Baldrick

    SCROLL THE TROLL 👹 ™
    Every pixel in reply is another stroke on the sockmeisters oily shaft – thefrolickingmole

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why is Davidson talking to Mueller a “flip”? He’s Stormy’s lawyer not Trump’s.
    She’s been desperate for a way out of her NDA for which she accepted a six figure sum. Her lawyer will have been helping her do that, that is what lawyers do. If Mueller could be used as a way to prise that knot apart Stormy could make big bucks on the lefty MSM circuit – so long as she can also avoid being sued for $10 million.

  72. DrBeauGan

    recruit reason on the side of Christianity

    Sort of agree beaugan. I concur with the Melanie Phillips view that the Judeo-Christian god was one of fixed laws (of the universe) and it was/is a sacred duty, given the basics, to figure/reason what all those laws might be.
    Maybe this is why so many of the physicists, mathematicians and chemists that I know are practicing Christians. IMHO, the enlightenment was rise of reason and its incorporation into Christianity.

    There’s a lot in that, I R. Darwin and Newton certainly thought that way. I also concur on the current endarkenment. It thrives on the death of reason, as well as the death of Christianity.

  73. Why is Davidson talking to Mueller a “flip”? He’s Stormy’s lawyer not Trump’s.

    The allegation was that Davidson was working in collusion with Cohen to act as lawyer for the women to dampen down their expectations for payoffs. So Davidson would pretend that he was on the woman’s side fighting Cohen, when he was Cohen’s mate and got them to agree to numbers like $130k instead of the million plus that other lawyers could have extracted.

  74. Rae

    Hole. The Twitter roach just mentioned its ongoing fascination with your slimy little thingy again.

    Maybe you should shower more often. Saturday today.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    Rae – I don’t use DuckDuckGo for security, I use it to avoid using Google stuff since they became evil.
    The Damore suit is turning up some fun stuff.

    Google Lawsuit: Senior Engineer Alon Altman Wanted to Sabotage Trump’s Android Phone, Ban His Gmail Account (19 Apr)

    Google managers kept blacklists of conservative employees — and one manager even considered holding ‘trials’, alleges a new lawsuit (Jan)

    DuckDuckGo isn’t as good as Google-search but with narrow search terms you can usually get where you want to go. Furthermore they are less likely to hide results like Google does.

  76. Infidel Tiger

    Monty you sound like Louise Mensch.

    Get help.

  77. Bruce, feeding trolls is not the same as feeding the magpies. You have a chance of inducing rational behaviour from the magpies.

  78. JC

    Rambler

    Monst isn’t a troll. He’s a mentally ill lesbian.

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    M0nty – That sounds farfetched since all it would take is for Stormy to talk to another lawyer to find out she’d get millions. Slater & Gordon would cheerfully help, as would most of the mobs advertising on Aussie TV. Although on the face of her story so far one wonders why anyone would bother paying her anything. No one on the right seems much interested in something which happened consensually 12 years ago.

    Stormy Fail: Trump’s Evangelical Support Hits Record High (19 Apr)

  80. jock

    Ok. After seeing pics of the muslim english professor who delighted in the death of barbara bush i have decided to recant a bit. I now realise there are times when a burka would be useful.

  81. Sorry JC, I stand corrected. So that makes it a mentally ill lesbian with self inflicted head injuries from a hockey stick (or was it a rake?).

  82. Infidel Tiger

    I just drove past a lesbian wedding. The bride was quite attractive in her white dress. The fister was wearing a suit.

    No guests were present either. Just the two love birds and a photographer.

  83. mh;
    My bet:
    The Australian Debt Clock will reach Total Government Debt of 1 Trillion dollars by May 2020.
    Any takers?

  84. DrBeauGan

    Infidel Tiger
    #2692033, posted on April 21, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    I just drove past a lesbian wedding. The bride was quite attractive in her white dress. The fister was wearing a suit.

    No guests were present either. Just the two love birds and a photographer.

    Seems like they are fooling themselves but not their rellies, I T.

  85. mh

    Winston Smith,
    By 2020 we will have a lot more immigrants living here, so everything will be fine. Just trust in Scott Morrison.

  86. mh

    No guests were present either. Just the two love birds and a photographer

    What gender was the photographer?

  87. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of N

    If you haven’t seen it have a look at StartPage as well as DuckDuckGo

    I use both but primarily StartPage

  88. Dover, Western Civilisation after the Enlightenment and up to the twentieth century has been characterised by science and technology, the fruits of reason rather than dogma. Oriel’s claim is quite defensible.

    Oriel said that Western civilization was the love child of Christianity and the Enlightenment even though Western civilization existed a millenia before the so-called Enlightenment. She may have meant something but her claim as it stands is indefensible.

  89. Infidel Tiger

    What gender was the photographer?

    He was a fella using the old binary scale. Not sure these days.

  90. notafan

    Lol. I don’t suffer from your need to worship something, Notafan. I’m just fair minded enough to give credit where it’s due. You seem anxious to give Christianity the credit for all the good stuff and none of the bad stuff.

    It is not a matter of suffering DrBG, aqnd show me where I don’t give credit where credit is due.

    Where did I not give Christianity credit for the ‘bad stuff”?

    You make things up.

    I think some of the ‘bad stuff’ is badly exaggerated, particular in relation to Catholicism.

    Crusades! Spanish Inquisition! Galileo!

    For example the all intents and purposes exclusive association of abuse with Catholic clerics is just the current example of exaggerating the ‘bad stuff’ done by the Church.

    Catholic Christianity sponsored and encouraged science for centuries, and laid the foundations for the accelerations of the last two centuries, when asked where the Church has actually impeded the pursuit of science all we ever hear is but Galileo and when it is pointed out that that particular issue was not a sciency one you cry Mean Girls.

  91. notafan

    And ditto

    It is a fact that Western Civilization long predates the enlightenment

  92. OneWorldGovernment

    We all know that our illustrious Prime Minister is a farquing idiot and this article sums it up rather well.

    The politics for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull are toxic.

    Already seen as a silvertailed defender of big business and multinationals, he will now be tarnished with seemingly trying to defend the indefensible — of trying to cover up the most serious, and potentially criminal, corporate misconduct.

    https://thewest.com.au/opinion/sarah-martin/opinion-banking-royal-commission-and-its-shocking-stories-expose-malcolm-turnbulls-weaknesses-ng-b88812629z

  93. Catholic Christianity made enormous advancements in the brewing of BEER.

    All other minor sins are forgiven.

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    If you haven’t seen it have a look at StartPage as well as DuckDuckGo

    Thanks OWG, I haven’t seen StartPage until just now.
    My immediate take is that since they say they use Google but without sending metadata you’d still be getting Google’s skewed responses. One of my beefs with Google is that they’ve been caught down rating and disappearing search results from conservative sites, especially climate sceptical sites. I know what it’s like trying to find climate stuff on Google, you have to force it with very tight search terms, and even then sometimes you can’t find what you’re after. DuckDuckGo doesn’t seem to suffer from that, although I’ve not tested it as much. Their results though are so obviously less polished than Google’s it suggests they have their own search algorithms rather than bootstrapping off Google.

  95. Goanna

    This appears to be the Oriel link ( with added comment.”)

    The codified bigotry of the Racial Discrimination Act and censorship of dissent under s18C offends the principles of equality and fairness that made the modern West. The cultural Left has repudiated the Enlightenment by substituting minority rights for universal human rights, subjectivity for objectivity, and politically correct speech for free speech. It has failed to protect the legacy of the Enlightenment and instead introduced a new tribalism under manufactured minority politics that embeds a combustible combination of privilege and prejudice in the heart of the state.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/lefts-stance-on-hanson-is-hypocritical/news-story/9ce98a34c5c3cbfc3f20665975cc57f8

  96. OneWorldGovernment

    BoN

    I was sceptical of StartPage as well but now I find it refreshing.

    It certainly gives different results than google which I wont use as well.

    I use Firefox ESR on a Debian Linux box so it’s easy to swap search engines.

  97. BoN;

    Bruce, sometimes you sound sane, but then halfway through your posts you start talking about crazy stuff and it becomes clear you are actually a crank.

    Surely you are becoming aware of why Monty was banned from Blog?
    Is there a gene, or even just a strand of dNA that makes a monty into a nuisance?
    And can it be edited so that it links with something like a Big Red Button on the afflicteds face?

  98. Makka

    The Democrats are suing @WikiLeaks and @JulianAssange for revealing how the DNC rigged the Democratic primaries. Help us counter-sue. We’ve never lost a publishing case and discovery is going to be amazing fun

    Oh yes. The Dems have just made a monumental strategic error. Through discovery, they have invited all the information gained from the dossier investigations to be opened up in a court of law. This will also snare the Clinton Foundation information and very likely the U1 treasonous actions.

    The Dems are about to experience the Military Courts under Trumps EO for new clarifications for TREASONOUS ACTS. All thanks to their own stupidity and delusions of grandeur.

  99. Makka

    Langdale.ca
    ‏ @langdaleca

    Comey is fucked.

    Comey, McCabe, LL, Rosenstein. They are all ordering up busses for each other. Little Jeff Sessions is providing them.

    No wonder mUnty is acting more desperate every day.

  100. Makka

    The Enlightenment was a reaction to the authoritarianism and dogmatism of the more power hungry churchmen.

    There was no such thing, it’s a fabrication. Like “The Dark Ages”. Fiction and fake news.

  101. Robber Baron

    My bet:
    The Australian Debt Clock will reach Total Government Debt of 1 Trillion dollars by May 2020.
    Any takers?

    Turnbull needs some good polls so expect the “infrastructure” spending to set records in government spending and borrowing that will make the Cain/Kirner era of deficit spending look responsible. But that’s not all, just wait for the election budget in 2019. Turnbull will put every man woman and child into poverty just so he can remain PM.

    1 trillion debt will be the 2019 Christmas gift that Turnbull gives to all Australians.

  102. C.L.

    So then: we only know of two instances of of US officials colluding with Moscow.
    Bob Mueller going to Moscow secretly for Hillary Clinton and Bill Brennan going to Moscow secretly for Barack Obama. Brennan has admitted he was a communist in the 1970s.

  103. Makka

    We also know that Pelosi was in NK many years ago discussing purchasing of nukes and technology. This is the same mob who facilitated Iran to get nukes and then hand over Billions in cash to the mullahs.

    How does a US Senator come to have a nett worth of 190 million?

  104. OK.
    The Australian Debt Clock will reach Total Government Debt of 1 Trillion dollars By:
    Winston Smith May 2020
    Robber Baron December 2019
    Any other takers?

  105. Makka

    How does a US Senator come to have a nett worth of 190 million?

    Oops, How does a US Congresswoman come to have a nett worth of 190 million?

  106. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2692049, posted on April 21, 2018 at 2:50 pm

    BoN

    I was sceptical of StartPage as well but now I find it refreshing.

    It certainly gives different results than google which I wont use as well.

    I use Firefox ESR on a Debian Linux box so it’s easy to swap search engines.

    Enhanced by Google

  107. Neil

    The Australian Debt Clock will reach Total Government Debt of 1 Trillion dollars By:
    Winston Smith May 2020

    One thing I have never been able to understand is that everybody appears to be in debt. But somebody has to be in surplus therefore? Am I missing something?

  108. Makka

    But somebody has to be in surplus therefore?

    Banks call them “assets”. We call them loans.

  109. wivenhoe

    Any other takers?

    April 2020, If I may, please., I will throw ten bucks in the pool, if somebody would like to be treasurer.

  110. Mark A

    notafan
    #2692042, posted on April 21, 2018 at 2:28 pm
    I think some of the ‘bad stuff’ is badly exaggerated, particular in relation to Catholicism.

    Crusades! Spanish Inquisition! Galileo!

    Specially the Spanish Inquisition.
    Wish people wouldn’t fall for the first bad report about and would take the time to find out for themselves.
    It’s not like the facts are hidden or anything.
    Same for the Crusades. Wonder what will be the historical write-up of events in Europe when finally the blow-back happens?
    Bet it will be the fault of all those nasty white conservative Christians.

  111. pete m

    Infidel Tiger
    #2691957, posted on April 21, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    IT why did they abort the chicks?
    Men can bring in an income. Girls send you broke with the dowry.
    There much more prestige in having a boy.
    Third worlders hate sheilas with a passion.

    India and China are not Third Worlders. Both are in the G20.

    Prior to govt rules on 1 child policies, did we see so much abhorrence of girls? Did we see so many abortions?

    Stop avoiding the obvious.

  112. There was no such thing, …

    Stop there. A historical construct used to describe a period where reason came to rule over dogma.

  113. Rae

    Surely you are becoming aware of why Monty was banned from Blog?

    m0nty. Why were you banned from the blog? On what conditions were you allowed back in?

  114. Infidel Tiger

    India and China are not Third Worlders. Both are in the G20.

    Prior to govt rules on 1 child policies, did we see so much abhorrence of girls? Did we see so many abortions?

    Stop avoiding the obvious.

    Sorry, what is the obvious? I can’t see it.

    P.s any country where people eat with sticks or shit in the street is the third world.

  115. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Oops, How does a US Congresswoman come to have a nett worth of 190 million?

    divorce

  116. Rae

    How does a US Senator come to have a nett worth of 190 million?

    Oops, How does a US Congresswoman come to have a nett worth of 190 million?

    How does an Australian Prime Minister come to have a net worth of 190 million?

  117. P.s any country where people eat with sticks or shit in the street is the third world.

    Like Dannograd in Victoristan. Yes, sh1t everywhere. Agreed.

  118. Boambee John

    Makka at 1507

    No wonder mUnty is acting more desperate every day.

    The frenetic posting of ever more hysterical links over the last 36 hours reminds me of srr just before the smoting.

  119. Makka

    A historical construct used to describe a period where reason came to rule over dogma.

    Not so. Don’t confuse the Church with it’s wayward clergy. The Church was evolving and changing into a more flexible environment long before the so-called enlightenment arrived. From where did reason evolve if not the church founded learning institutions? Rubbish such as the imprisonment of Galileo simply perpetuates the myth. He never spent a day in prison.

  120. The Doomlord banned me for “serial derailment of threads” back in 2012 (bloody hell that’s a long time ago). But I guess there are no rails to derail these days, the whole site is a roller derby.

  121. I did mention the church, the war, or galileo.

  122. Infidel Tiger

    I got Monty back here.

    Thank me later.

  123. notafan

    Finally got around to watching the original Romper Stomper last night.

    Seemed like a movie of caricatures, right down to the garden swans.

    Like most things generated by the usual suspects, a confected scenario that didn’t ring true, though the party scene was fairly accurate (missing the flying bottles though)

    And the movie ended up a sort of a crappy twist on Romeo and Juliet.

    I could not recall any ongoing major skinhead versus Vietnamese brawling back in the day and it seems that, in Footscray, that was indeed a fiction. As far as I remember in the 70s skinheads beat up anyone who looked weak, in the wrong place at the wrong time, if they could’t find some sharpies, that is.

    There wasn’t even a skinhead ‘gang’ in Footscray.

    I also recall skinheads pogoing and throwing bottles at the Ballroom in St Kilda, in the early 80s, we used to stand at the back and laugh at them deliberately hurting themselves. As far as I am concerned a tiny number of fringe dwelling losers. Doubt they would have numbering in the hundreds, and all but disappeared now. When they did murder, they murdered their own.

    Still, no wonder the socialist capitalists are trying a rerun with a TV series.

    Another terror attack! What I am really worried about is white supremacy, tilt head, stroke beard.

    Andrew Zammit thinks otherwise

  124. DrBeauGan

    Oriel said that Western civilization was the love child of Christianity and the Enlightenment even though Western civilization existed a millenia before the so-called Enlightenment. She may have meant something but her claim as it stands is indefensible.

    Dover, you have the long perspective. Not many do. Most would interpret Western Civilisation as meaning cars, aeroplanes, electrical things like fridges and mobile phones. If she were to say that at a conference of historians, she’d righly be laughed at. But she didn’t. Given the audience it is defensible.

  125. rickw

    Saturday night in Majuro, time for a beer!

  126. Chris

    Saturday night in Majuro, time for a beer!

    Long time to beer o’clock in Widjimorphup.

  127. wivenhoe

    Saturday night in Majuro,

    Now you are only trying to get me jealous, I see.

  128. A historical construct used to describe a period where reason came to rule over dogma.

    That description is a caricature produced by tendentious historians in the 18th and 19th century. The tell in the above is the use of ‘reason’ and ‘dogma’ to describe long, complex and manifold periods of European history from the 5th to the 20th Century.

  129. * Isaac Newton
    * Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
    * Albert Einstein
    * Max Planck
    * Ernest Rutherford
    * Niels Bohr
    * Werner Heisenberg
    * Richard Feynman
    * Murray Gell-Mann
    * Michael Faraday
    * The Curies
    * Schrodinger
    * (and many worthy others)

    On a historical timeline they all appeared in a rush. Call it what you like. To me they are children of the enlightenment.

  130. Given the audience it is defensible.

    We are stuffed.

  131. Ok dover, I drop the word dogma. Reason came to rule (for a sustained period)

  132. rickw

    Now you are only trying to get me jealous, I see.

    Almost certainly this relates to the beer rather than the location!

  133. DrBeauGan

    Sure, Makka. The church only burnt a few thousand heretics, all up. Hardly any, really.

    Technically, the church didn’t burn them. The clerics thought, probably correctly, that Jesus wouldn’t have approved. So they handed them over to the secular arm to do it.

    I doubt if Giordano Bruno would have noticed the difference.

  134. rickw

    On a historical timeline they all appeared in a rush. Call it what you like. To me they are children of the enlightenment.

    There is also an immense list of English and Scottish Engineers that runs in parallel with that list.

  135. Chris

    We are stuffed.

    The doctrine of rational ignorance suggests that for their purposes, they are not.
    I am enlightened by your contributions.

  136. DrBeauGan

    We are stuffed.

    I’ve been saying that for years. But given that a journos job is to communicate with the proles, how you or I would interpret a term is of minor relevance. You and I suffer from an old fashioned education.

  137. Dr Fred Lenin

    The criminal DNC has done the socialist criminal usual thing ,they are desparate, their heaps of lies are failing, they are lashing out in all directions to no avail ,then some muppet lawtradespersons suggests lawfare {they jump in feet first never thinking it through ,never thinking what will be exposed in a law case it’s not a walkover , there will be really clever opposition in court ,even a result by a coorupt communist judge will be appealed and overturned ,Bet now they have jumped in a few of the potential jailbirds involved will start to fear exposure ,the infighting will commence , the stupid will want to continue thinking its sewn up but the crims can’t take that chance , they fear any scrutiny. The FBI is being corrupted by honesty as Trump begins the cleansing of the obama leftistt corrupt police . It’s a typical al left reaction ,you fall in a deep hole then start digging .

  138. Makka

    On a historical timeline they all appeared in a rush.

    Yes but it could also be opined they were the fruition of amazing (Church founded) learning institutions reaching an age of discovery of the natural world and development of the scientific method.

    The great anomaly in the “Church is against Science” argument is the establishment and ongoing funding by the Church of the earliest centres of learning and scientific excellence.

  139. On a historical timeline they all appeared in a rush. Call it what you like. To me they are children of the enlightenment.

    The first two appear over two centuries before most of the others on that list. And Leibniz is far closer to Aquinas, intellectually, even though there are four centuries between them.

  140. Makka

    Technically, the church didn’t burn them.

    Thanks for stating facts, not dogma.

  141. DrBeauGan

    There is also an immense list of English and Scottish Engineers that runs in parallel with that list.

    True. And a couple of mathematicians.

  142. Ok dover, I drop the word dogma. Reason came to rule (for a sustained period)

    Not even that. The greatest fillup that happened in the 17th and 18th century was money, lots of it, relatively speaking, that was pouring in from the Americas, etc., some of which was diverted into scientific and technical endeavours.

  143. The first two appear over two centuries before most …

    Still a compressed timescale. I could have added a lot of other names to smooth out the curve.
    Laziness and failing memory prevented it. (mainly laziness)

  144. db, I’m not arguing causes. I am observing result.

  145. Rae

    And the conditions for your return were?

  146. DrBeauGan

    The first two appear over two centuries before most of the others on that list. And Leibniz is far closer to Aquinas, intellectually, even though there are four centuries between them.

    There is a good case for dropping Leibniz from the list. Newon did start the ball rolling, with help from Galileo.

    Replace Leibniz with Hooke. More of an experimentalist, less of a philosopher, and incidentally an atheist. 😁

  147. Replace Leibniz with Hooke.

    Nuh. Will add Hooke.

    Lots of others to add to the list (as noted). I am in awe of many of them.
    e.g. Feynmann, Faraday.

  148. Zatara

    For the ‘flip’ or ‘rollover’ enthusiast.

    McCabe is likely to face at least 4 very serious federal charges in the near future because in his case the investigation games are over, his IG report is out.

    Meanwhile, his mate Comey just threw him under the bus and said he would turn state’s evidence against McCabe, otherwise known as throwing him under the bus.

    Andrew McCabe “Upset” After James Comey Throws Him Under the Bus

    Guess who just became the leader in the most highly motivated to flip field?

  149. Rae

    Andrew McCabe “Upset” After James Comey Throws Him Under the Bus

    Guess who just became the leader in the most highly motivated to flip field?

    TheGatewayPundit is a purveyor of fake news.

  150. DrBeauGan

    It’s the catlicks who have the problem with the Enlightenment. They have three schools of thought on it.
    1. It happened and was a bad thing because it reduced the amount of Simple Faith.
    2. It didn’t happen.
    3. It happened, but was a direct consequence of the Church.

    I’ve seen all these positions here.

  151. Makka

    Concerning the enlightenment, just stay with the known facts not fiction BeauGan. You’ll be fine.

  152. rickw

    Has anyone brought an English Longbow recently? Steve Ralph’s in Norfolk is one option, others?

  153. db, I’m not arguing causes. I am observing result.

    Except you said implied that the eclipse of dogma by reason was just such a cause. If you were all you’d be doing is reporting the appearance of this or that scientist or mathematician or philosopher over time, and that would require a list that doesn’t begin in the 17th C but in say the 8th C or 10th C or whenever.

  154. DrBeauGan

    Makka
    #2692110, posted on April 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm
    Concerning the enlightenment, just stay with the known facts not fiction BeauGan. You’ll be fine.

    One of the known facts, Makka, is that Newton wrote a lot of theology papers and put them in a box in the care of a bishop of the Anglican church, to be opened after Newton’s death.

    The bish, when he read them, was horrified and burnt them.

    This is telling you something.

  155. Correction: If you were only reporting all you’d be doing…

  156. The bish, when he read them, was horrified and burnt them.

    Probably saved him a lot of embarrassment. A lovely anecdote, BTW.

  157. Rae

    I got Monty back here.

    I don’t see you as given to such magnanimity. I think what I said earlier is correct, viz. m0nty pleaded to be let back in, and his pleas were acceded to but subject to conditions governing his future behaviour here. eg. being the acknowledged good natured (relatively) blog piñata.

  158. DrBeauGan

    Almost certainly the correct explanation, Dover.

    There are stories that Newton was reasoning his way to a rather deistic Unitarianism, which would certainly justify the burning in the bishop’s eyes.

  159. Tailgunner

    Has Monty been in here acknowledging Trump is god re: Green shoots on Korean Peninsula yet?
    If not,why not?

  160. herodotus

    Why were you banned from the blog? On what conditions were you allowed back in?

    Asking for a sockratean friend.

  161. herodotus

    The Doomlord banned me for “serial derailment of threads” back in 2012 (bloody hell that’s a long time ago). But I guess there are no rails to derail these days, the whole site is a roller derby.

    There are at least two unbanned who help make it so.

  162. One of the known facts, Makka, is that Newton wrote a lot of theology papers and put them in a box in the care of a bishop of the Anglican church, to be opened after Newton’s death.

    The bish, when he read them, was horrified and burnt them.

    Hang on, what’s the source for this anecdote, and which bish exactly?

  163. Rae

    Why were you banned from the blog? On what conditions were you allowed back in?

    Asking for a sockratean friend.

    The relationship is genuinely and entirely plato-nic.

  164. DrBeauGan

    Hang on, what’s the source for this anecdote, and which bish exactly?

    I’ve long forgotten the source and the name of the bishop, Dover. I daresay some googling would locate it.

  165. Go on then. I’m not getting anything. In fact, there appear to be shed loads of theological papers.

  166. DrBeauGan

    I found this on a biography of sir isaac Newton on the interwebzy thingo.

    The religious beliefs that Newton held could have caused serious embarrassment at the time. Because of this, he kept his views hidden, almost to the point of obsession. This desire for secrecy seemed to be part of his nature. It was only on his death that his papers were opened up. The bishop who first opened Newton’s box, actually found them too shocking for public release, therefore, they were kept closed for many more years.

    It also says he was believed to be a Rosicrucian.

  167. Rae

    Newton burned some of his own papers before he died. His religious papers survived but were kept secret by his heir.

  168. 132andBush

    Just showed one of my Army Cadet sons (just back from ATA, where he met Campbell who was there doing the rounds), the memo about the skull and crossbones and other patches etc.

    His reaction; OMG, that’s fucking stupid.

  169. DrBeauGan

    Westfall is alluding to a work edited by Herbert McLachlan, M.A., D.D., (Principal, Unitarian College, Manchester Lecturer in Hellenistic Greek, University of Manchester): Sir Isaac Newton: Theological Manuscripts (Liverpool, 1950). As a Unitarian, McLachlan sees Newton as one of the originators of Unitarian thought and values his criticisms of Newton of the trinity and the Nicean Creed as such. More about Newton in McLachlan’s view in The Religious Opinions of Milton, Locke and Newton (Manchester University Press, 1941). It is also possible that McLachlan views are picked up in the Watchtower work The Proclaimers concerning great minds that rejected the trinity and labeled it as a pagan construct (listed along with Henry Grew on p.124-126). (Helen Fryman)
    =========Citation continues======
    “Irenicum” returned to the theme of the “Origines”: “All nations were originally of one religion and this religion consisted in the Precepts of the sons of Noah…” The principal heads of the primitive religion were love of God and love of neighbor. this religion descended to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Moses delivered it to Israel. Pythagoras learned it in his travels and taught it to his disciples. “This religion,” Newton concluded, “may be therefore called Moral Law of all nations.” [Keynes MS 3, p. 27.] Chapter I, “Of the Church of God, ” in his history of the early church began with the same theme.

    This from

    http://www.ldolphin.org/newton.html

  170. Makka

    This is telling you something.

    As remarkable as Newton was, he studied at Cambridge one of the world’s oldest Universities. The first college at Cambridge was founded by one of those terrible Bishops in the 13th century

    This is telling you something also.

  171. rickw

    His reaction; OMG, that’s fucking stupid.

    Typical reaction to ideas from Australia’s supposed leaders.

  172. The Australian Debt Clock will reach Total Government Debt of 1 Trillion dollars By:

    Winston Smith May 2020
    Robber Baron December 2019
    Wivenhoe April 2020

  173. DrBeauGan

    As remarkable as Newton was, he studied at Cambridge one of the world’s oldest Universities. The first college at Cambridge was founded by one of those terrible Bishops in the 13th century

    This is telling you something also.

    Newton, rightly, didn’t think much of Cambridge in his day. Fortunately, as well as a bunch of no-hopers, it had Isaac Barrow on the staff.

    I don’t dispute that the church did a lot of good things, Makka. Bishop Alcuin of York gave us the education system of the West, the trivium and the quadrivium, back in the days of Charlemagne.

    It lasted until the nineteen sixties and the rise of educationalism. God help us.

  174. calli

    The house sitters are lined up like drinks on a bar, Hôtel Calli is freshly sheeted, towelled and neat as a pin.

    And here I am at the Rydges, looking out over the runway.

    Tomorrow, around midnight local time I’ll be…. 😀

  175. Delta A

    Safe travel, calli. Stay in touch.

    HAVE FUN! 🙂

  176. littledozer

    Queensland is on track for 80 billion debt too

  177. DrBeauGan

    Newton is said to have rejected the doctrine of the trinity on the grounds that he couldn’t believe what he didn’t understand.

    I can relate to that.

  178. calli

    Pyramids or Bust! And then on to Israel and Jordan.

    I will do a little travelogue if time, internet and Doomlord permits. Scroll on by if boring.

  179. Tom

    Don’t trust anyone, Calli — especially airlines that are lying to you about what their customer service guarantees. That includes Emirates, Etihad and Qantas. You’re safer walking through the Middle East’s minefields.

  180. Baldrick

    Stay safe calli and posting some travelogue’s is a must. Bon voyage. 🛫

  181. calli

    Newton is said to have rejected the doctrine of the trinity on the grounds that he couldn’t believe what he didn’t understand.

    It’s called faith.

    I’m currently (nyuk, nyuk) charging my camera batteries. I sort of know how the elecktrickery gets into the battery, but I don’t really understand it. Apart from the “flow of electrons” stuff.

    But I believe it will work when I go to take my snaps.

  182. DrBeauGan

    I will do a little travelogue if time, internet and Doomlord permits. Scroll on by if boring.

    It won’t be boring, Calli. I look forward to it very much. I’m envious, I’ve never seen the pyramids and want to. Your account will be the next best thing.

  183. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    As remarkable as Newton was, he studied at Cambridge one of the world’s oldest Universities. The first college at Cambridge was founded by one of those terrible Bishops in the 13th century

    must we kneel and kiss the ring

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No one has introduced any arguments between RC and Protestant positions on ‘Enlightenments’

    Not so. Roger did. And your particular religious position on this term ‘Enlightenment’, Dover, is implicit when you raise the Carolingian period, plus your reference to ‘the eighth century’, and has often been argued by you here. Roger also suggested the alternative of ‘modernity’, within the context of a practical church/state accommodation, which was the Scottish ‘Enlightenment’ position. I chose ‘modernity’ as the more useful concept, which I elaborated upon and about which much more could be said.

    Defensive much? And I don’t mean me.
    I have no desire to reach further into this ‘which Enlightenment?’ furphy. It gets us nowhere.

  185. Mitch M.

    I don’t dispute that the church did a lot of good things, Makka. Bishop Alcuin of York gave us the education system of the West, the trivium and the quadrivium, back in the days of Charlemagne.

    For historical reasons we can be grateful of the influence of the Church. People, especially here, keep harping on about it as if it is some new revelation. Most people today don’t give a hoot about nuanced arguments concerning the historical rise of Science. They want to know what intellectual domains today offer the best investment for future dividends. Religion does not measure well in relation to either new discoveries or technologies.

    Religion is the knowledge of dead secrets and has little if anything that is new under the sun. The recent interest in meditation comes to mind but over 50 years ago that was prefigured by Herbert Benson. He was a doctor who noted how meditation was clearly helping some people so he stripped it of the dead secrets and created the idea of the relaxation response(if you prefer dead secrets, “samadhi”). He was a devout Christian who wanted to avoid meditation being associated with Buddhism, another good idea because while Buddhism contains some beauty it is mostly just dead secrets. Sadly most proponents of meditation today aren’t as wise as Benson.

    We live in an extremely high paced and demanding society, I suggest practising the relaxation response. It is a trick, once learned easily done, and given the strong association of the stress response with increased arousal, inflammation, depression, and perhaps even Alzheimer’s, learning the relaxation response is a good health strategy. Better than relying on alcohol and marijuana, both very popular relaxation pursuits which doesn’t surprise me because alcohol increases GABA and serotonin, and both exogenous and endogenous cannabinoids increase GABA currents(Anxiety is often treated with drugs to increase GABA activity). Whatever, we are allowed our poisons and it won’t be long before the safety Nazis change that. They are now hot on the trail of alcohol but have given up on marijuana because they want it for research as so many of their treatments fail where CBD in particular, in early trials, shows promise. Value free research my ass.

    BTW, just finished reading Stringer’s “Origin of Our Species” (2011) Stringer is a remarkably synthesizer of many domains of knowledge and this text comes up with some surprises, like how human evolution has become more pronounced in the last 10,000 years. Good read. Enjoy.

  186. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Yael Naim – Come Home

  187. Tom

    What Baldrick said, Calli. Anything less than daily posting will be an abrogation.

  188. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As remarkable as Newton was, he studied at Cambridge one of the world’s oldest Universities. The first college at Cambridge was founded by one of those terrible Bishops in the 13th century

    Yep. Hairy’s College, Jesus. The first, I think, but he’s not home so I can’t ask him if it was. 🙂
    Newton was a Trinity man.

  189. calli

    I’m doing the Nile Cruise. If you don’t hear from me, I’m:

    1) having too good a time to post
    2) have been kidnapped (note to self: why did I go on a diet, fat people are harder to kidnap)
    3) Egypt has adopted the NBN
    4) the boat has sunk and I’ve been consumed by a Nile croc who’s on low carb

    H/t Arky

  190. Tom

    The Carlton Football Club is a disgrace. I would like to apologise to anyone who has had to sit through the garbage they have dished up in the past year and the winless garbage that list manager Andrew Mackay has committed to dish up until 2020.

  191. Tel

    I don’t dispute that the church did a lot of good things, Makka.

    I would argue that the Catholic Church was more successful from an absence of bad things than by doing specific good deeds. Scientific type thinking will emerge whenever it isn’t stamped out by war, or desperate day to day survival or political correctness or theocracy. Europe was religious, but it was never dominated by religion, nor was it dominated by a single political ideology that promoted itself to the status of a religion.

    Catholics built monasteries, and even regulated the monks to some extent but they did not impose strict uniformity of thought nor did they crack down hard on alternative perspectives. There was also a fairly early split between Church and State in Europe that mostly happened by accident, but it worked and then became established because it worked. This meant that local Kings were constrained in their behaviour by the clergy thus encouraging the nobility to devote at least some of their efforts into doing the right thing by the general population.

  192. DrBeauGan

    Newton is said to have rejected the doctrine of the trinity on the grounds that he couldn’t believe what he didn’t understand.

    It’s called faith.

    You’re a good person, Calli. The difference in our temperaments is that if you had been brought up as a Muslim, you’d have been a good Muslim and have had faith in very different things. If I had been brought up as a Muslim, I’d have become an atheist even sooner, although I might not have admitted it.

  193. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’m doing the Nile Cruise. If you don’t hear from me …

    .. it’ll be because you are having too good a time. As you certainly will be.
    Enjoy it, Calli. Luxor is magnificent. The Valley of the Kings is stunning.
    And they make life on board a great deal of fun. When you can shop, keep your eye open for cheap ‘dress ups’ for the hilarious Nile Night. Bangles, a head-dress etc. Or you can purchase stuff on board for it too.
    Hope you get a tour guide called Omar, who likes to run impromptu performances on site.
    You might find yourself as Nut, the goddess of night beset by fellow tourists as demons. 🙂

    Awaiting your reports back.

  194. DrBeauGan

    Catholics built monasteries, and even regulated the monks to some extent but they did not impose strict uniformity of thought nor did they crack down hard on alternative perspectives.

    Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t, Tel. It depended on the times and the organisation of the competition.

  195. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well, Hairy’s home and tells me the first Cambridge college was Peterhouse.
    I’d never have guessed that.

  196. DrBeauGan

    If a crocodile gets you, Calli, I hope you give it severe indigestion.

    But I hope it doesn’t.

  197. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’m currently (nyuk, nyuk) charging my camera batteries. I sort of know how the elecktrickery gets into the battery, but I don’t really understand it. Apart from the “flow of electrons” stuff.

    Better check. I think they flow in the opposite direction in the northern hemisphere. Might bugger up the works.

  198. DrBeauGan

    I liked the story of the American tourist who asked a porter if his college predated the war. He replied:” Madam, this college predates America.”

  199. twostix

    The Doomlord banned me for “serial derailment of threads” back in 2012 (bloody hell that’s a long time ago). But I guess there are no rails to derail these days, the whole site is a roller derby.

    Boy you lie a lot.

    The real reason, the genesis of it, was that m0nty got caught on twitter boasting that he only comes here to troll.

    Over half a decade of obsessive posting later we know that was clearly the case, m0nty only comes here for a bit of fun, every day posting 50 posts a day for nearly ten years.

    He can stop any time, it’s nothing.

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy is always pleased to point out the Thomas Cranmer was one of Jesus College’s most famous sons. The other one he always mentions is Coleridge. And that’s just in the ‘C’ contingent, fairly near to where Hairy’s own name appears in the College Gazette, which we still regularly receive for updates on things Collegiate.

    Mostly, they just ask for money.

  201. Gab

    Excellent riposte Calli at 6.27pm. 😝 happy and safe travels 🐫🐪🌄

  202. areff

    Christopher Marlowe acquired the education to write ‘Shakespeare’s’ plays at Cambruidge (and probably did too).

  203. Geriatric Mayfly

    How many zillions populate the Nile Valley and delta ? I doubt if there’s a Nile crocodile left anywhere in the Egyptian sector.

  204. twostix

    The saddest bit of the whole m0nty thing was during his banning period he started up a ‘political blog’ and wrote about the things he knows best about in the whole world, that being….what’s happening at catallaxyfiles.

  205. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    if you had been brought up as a Muslim, you’d have been a good Muslim and have had faith in very different things.

    Wrong there, Dr. BG. I don’t think there is enough substance in the Koran to test Calli’s intelligence the way the Bible does. She’s a practical woman who would see through it in a trice, particularly the half as good as a man bit. Look at that Gravitar and you’d better believe it.

  206. Chris

    How do you eat a halal crocodile?

  207. Percy Porcelain

    The Carlton Football Club is a disgrace.

    News at eleventy.

  208. DrBeauGan

    None of the institutions responsible for (part of) my education know where I live, Lizzie. I have no intention of telling them.

  209. JC

    I doubt if there’s a Nile crocodile left anywhere in the Egyptian sector.

    Good. I hate crocs. The only thing they’re good for is their leather, otherwise obliterate the entire lot. They serve absolutely no purpose other than devouring other live animals and humans. Disgusting critters.

  210. JC

    How do you eat a halal crocodile?

    You don’t. You make nice belts and handbags with their skin. That’s the only worthwhile thing about them.

  211. JC

    White fatty who thinks she’s beautiful, pretending she doesn’t really think that in a low rent movie she just made wants to be black.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/20/amy-schumer-race-the-view/

  212. DrBeauGan

    areff
    #2692196, posted on April 21, 2018 at 7:09 pm
    Christopher Marlowe acquired the education to write ‘Shakespeare’s’ plays at Cambruidge (and probably did too).

    Nuts. Kit could write for sure, but his style is quite different from bill’s.

  213. There is a point to the discussion when so many people lazily accept the premise that we can have faith or reason, or faith or science, or faith or progress.

    When in fact we have in the west we have always had faith, reason, science and progress.

    The same laziness that says

    All religions are the same

    Religion is responsible for war

    And all the other ahistorical rubbish.

    Of course there are some with a very specific agenda who argue that Catholic Christianity, in particular is anti reason, science and progress.

    I don’t even understand why ‘dogma’ gets a mention.

    what does wiki say

  214. candy

    You make nice belts and handbags with their skin. That’s the only worthwhile thing about them.

    I think it’s ugly and lumpy looking.

    Kind of a myth that crocodile skin is luxurious. It’s awful.

  215. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Christopher Marlowe acquired the education to write ‘Shakespeare’s’ plays at Cambruidge (and probably did too).

    Bill Bryson’s excellent small book simply called “Shakespeare” makes a fairly convincing case that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, in spite of calling him ‘as elusive as an electron’. I’ve always liked Marlow, so I’d say that Marlowe certainly contributed to some of it. These guys did work in teams on a project.

  216. JC

    Candy

    There’s one solution to that. Don’t buy one. Most other ladies don’t agree with you as the price of those items are very high.

  217. Cheap shot there

    Islam requires some serious cognitive dissonance.

    What is it with the absolutely certain infallible types?

    As if every adult who has grown up with Christianity and not rejected it is some sort of dumb sheep.

    It’s not mere simple faith, it’s also logic and reason.

  218. DrBeauGan

    Kit Marlowe was probably too busy being agent 001 to collaborate with Will Shaxpur.

  219. JC

    I think it’s ugly and lumpy looking.

    It also depends what part of that disgusting animal the skin comes from. The lumpy part is the much cheaper part with the belly being the most expensive.

    This Hermes is only A$131,000.

  220. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I think it’s ugly and lumpy looking.
    Kind of a myth that crocodile skin is luxurious. It’s awful.

    I prefer lizard skin, although both tend to peel off in bits after a while. Croc is the worst for that, but it can look stunning in the right style of bag. No good for shoes. I’ve had lizard skin shoes that were great, very smooth looking. My lizard skin bag was very formal, and rather boring.

    Both are expensive and shriek for attention, which is why I got mine years ago, when I worked in advertising, long before I could afford such things. It seemed important then; it is not so now. I’ll happily buy imitation lizard and croc if I see a well-made style that I like.

  221. Percy Porcelain

    I’m doing the Nile Cruise. If you don’t hear from me, I’m:

    1) having too good a time to post
    2) have been kidnapped (note to self: why did I go on a diet, fat people are harder to kidnap)
    3) Egypt has adopted the NBN
    4) the boat has sunk and I’ve been consumed by a Nile croc who’s on low carb

    5) Aliens finally found someone on this planet worth abducting.

  222. Snoopy

    Hey Monty, did you write the Malaysian Dwarf’s copy on the DNC suing the Trump campaign? Unhinged but uninformative. Maybe she’s plagiarising you.

  223. DrBeauGan

    Islam requires some serious cognitive dissonance.

    So does the doctrine of the trinity. But faith overcomes all obstacles.

  224. Deplorable

    There is no better dog than an Australian cattle Dog. Period. Full stop.

    Not at all true best dog pound for pound is a Jack Russell Terrier a more faithful mate cannot be found😀

  225. Rae

    Pyramids or Bust!

    Pay the $10 to go through the tunnel from one side of the pyramid to the other. It’s worth it just for bragging rights.

  226. Monasteries were run by different religious orders, each having their own rules, and building their own monasteries.

    Some had rich patrons, some did not.

    Most, if not all, operating independently of the local diocese.

  227. Snoopy

    Behead those who insult the Trinity!

  228. candy

    There’s one solution to that. Don’t buy one.

    ha ha. Jc, I wouldn’t if a croc handbag was $10. It’s awful.

    You know, handbags of synthetic material, but very strong and well made and pleasingly shaped etc can be purchased for $50.00. It’s true. Shop wisely and you can get something pleasing.

    thank God for synthetic fibre.

  229. calli

    The difference in our temperaments is that if you had been brought up as a Muslim, you’d have been a good Muslim and have had faith in very different things.

    Nah. But nice try.

  230. DrBeauGan

    Snoopy
    #2692223, posted on April 21, 2018 at 7:29 pm
    Behead those who insult the Trinity!

    Shhh. Notafan might hear you.

  231. Percy Porcelain

    any country where people eat with sticks or shit in the street is the third world

    Venozdrayastan – we’ve now joined that not so unique club.

  232. Sorry DrBG.

    There are some clear errors and contradictions in the Koran.

    I’m not talking about things that are taken on faith.

    what are some of the errors in the Koran?

  233. Delta A

    This Hermes is only A$131,000.

    A fool and his money are soon parted.

  234. Percy Porcelain

    a Jack Russell Terrier a more faithful mate cannot be found😀

    Time you lovebirds got married.

    #lerveislerve

  235. Tel

    Sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn’t, Tel. It depended on the times and the organisation of the competition.

    They burnt a few Anabaptists and got bitchy if you translated the Bible, but so long as the various orders of this-n-that mostly kept their heads down they could breed peas, or brew booze, or come up with theories about banking and just wars. It’s a relative thing, compared to other places around the Earth you could do a lot of stuff.

    Compare with how modern Indonesia is going where the slightest comment can get you hauled up on blasphemy charges. Heck, that’s also how modern America is going. Who would invent anything under that sort of climate?

  236. areff

    That’s the point, Doctor B: Marlowe’s death was staged to get him out of England, and he packed off his plays from Italy for the impresario Shakespeare to stage. No way could Shakespeare possibly have had the education, or the odd snippets of arcane knowledge about Italy, to pen those works. Mind you, a lot of the low comedy in the plays might have been Shakespeare’s additions; there’s not much comedy in the J3w of Malta, as I recall it.

    ‘I mean, how did Shakespeare know that a traject was Venetian slang for a GTHO gondola?

    Like the identity of Jack the Ripper, the authorship question is one of those fascinating, ultimately unprovable, invitations to speculate.

  237. Such a tosspot DrBG

    Your argument is basically

    Atheist smart!

    Christian dumb!

  238. Delta A

    I prefer lizard skin

    Lizard skin looks lovely on lizards.

    Ugly on anything else.

  239. Confused Old Misfit

    Deplorable
    #2692220, posted on April 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    Simply WRONG!

  240. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2692225, posted on April 21, 2018 at 7:31 pm
    The difference in our temperaments is that if you had been brought up as a Muslim, you’d have been a good Muslim and have had faith in very different things.

    Nah. But nice try.

    It’s a strange fact that those who are big on faith invariably share the beliefs of their friends and rellies, Calli.

    And overlook the inconsistencies of their religion.

    I agree it’s very hypothetical though. But the data are against you.

    Not that a small thing like that would bother you, of course.

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