Military priorities

The same week the Vanuatu government denied press reports that China would be building a military base there, the new head of the ADF has demonstrated why the Chinese are emboldened enough to do so.

Campbell’s first act after being announced as new Chief of Defence last week was to ban Australian soldiers from displaying “symbols of death” or iconography glorifying war.

“On visits across army and our deployed forces I have occasionally come across the display … of symbols, emblems and iconography at odds with Army’s values and the ethical force we seek to build and sustain,” he wrote in a two page directive last week.

Unfortunately, as Chief of Army since 2015, Campbell appears to have drunk the Kool Aid, bollocking Army recruiters for not hitting diversity targets fast enough and authorising a rainbow-coloured Army Pride lapel pin provided to troops at taxpayer expense as part of the official uniform in honour of Sydney’s Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.

An army that bans Spartan symbols while promoting rainbow lapel pins has no credibility as a fighting force, and disrespects soldiers past and present.

To be fair – it isn’t just the military that are at fault here. The previous Labor government were soft on defense, while the current coalition government is downright irresponsible.  The military should not be a mechanism to facilitate social engineering or constitute an industry policy or exist simply to preserve Liberal politicians’ jobs in South Australia. Furthermore Australian defense policy should not constitute shooting for long enough so that the US can arrive for the real defense of the country.

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163 Responses to Military priorities

  1. Barry Bones

    It’s embarrassing!

    Bernard Gaynor did a good post on this. Apparently the troops are calling this new guy a “care bear” and they’re sending photos of mean looking Care Bears around .

    It would be funny if only it weren’t so serious.

  2. Pedro the Ignorant

    I wonder whether General Campbell would approve of the warpaint worn by Victoria Cross recipient Cameron Baird, or have him discharged for being “too scary”.

    Based on The Punisher, a common military symbol.

    Cameron Baird, VC. MG.

  3. Muddy

    Furthermore Australian defense policy should not constitute shooting for long enough so that the US can arrive for the real defense of the country.

    The harsh reality is that we need a strong ally, because defending ourselves is an expensive business.

    I’ve thought for some time though, that we do not deserve to call ourselves a ‘middle power’ unless we can contribute a brigade group (ground forces) to an allied operation. Certainly what we have contributed in the past has been quality-trained personnel, but for how long will the U.S. be happy to accept such token quantities?

  4. John Constantine

    If the just in time liquid fuel supply chain is cut for a couple of months, no shooting need occur from overseas, the fundamentally transformed Australian polity will begin to eat itself within days.

    Their high density Australian megacities without the just in time transport fuel will burn themselves to the ground as the looters move around the blacked out, deindustrialised economic suicide zones.

    The joke was always to imagine the speed that the Saudi royal family would flee Saudi Arabia with when the oil ran out, they would look like Darwin’s Galapagos tortoise compared to the speed with which Australia’s political orc class flee this place when our oil is cut off.

    Wouldn’t want to be doing a ‘Fall of Saigon’ style clutching of a helicopter skid, with the boot of a shorten or a pyne ready to kick your fingers loose so the chopper could flee faster.

    Anybody really think our armed forces would get a sniff of the strategic fuel reserve when our quisling elites absolutely need the fuel to transport their art collections to London, Paris and New York?.

    Comrades?.

  5. 2dogs

    Dammit, how do I embed youtube properly?

  6. Muddy

    Our concern needs to be the Chinese presence in and around PNG. I don’t mean in terms of full military bases, but economic assistance and political influence. Militarily, that area would be a great location for low-impact signals intelligence facilities (adequately camouflaged as a fish processing facility or some such).

  7. Confused Old Misfit

    What the Hell is the point? Australia now appears to have a leadership so divorced from reality that there has been no official reaction to this travesty?
    I would not fault any member of the armed forces who simply walks away from it all.
    We had a right to hope that, after the last pussy that was appointed, those responsible would have the intelligence to appoint a soldier to a soldiers job. Who makes these appointments? The selection jury for course participants at The College for the Advancement of Womyns Studies? F. M. D!

  8. Egor

    Campbell the soldier became an Institutional fellow traveller enthusiastically developing marxist social engineering at the highest levels of the public service. He thinks he’s a cool Renaissance man now….. and very acceptable to the arts world.

  9. This guy is completely unhinged! Why do we have these idiots in charge of anything!?!? But then again, why do we have a narcissistic idiot in charge of the whole country?!?! For the second time, for fuck sake!?!?!?

  10. Spring is coming

    Haha low fuel reserves bringing us to our knees.

    All we need is truckload of chickens to jackknife on the Freeway and we grind to a halt!

  11. BoyfromTottenham

    So, Turnbull has put a Pacifist in charge of defending the country! This is scarily reminiscent of the Pacifist British Prime Ministers of 1933-39 who were totally in the thrall of the League of Nations and the concept of ‘Peace through Disarmament’. At least they were until Hitler’s huge and ruthless military machine invaded Poland, when the scales finally fell from their eyes and they abdicated in favour of that awful warmonger W. S. Churchill, who by the way had been long but unsuccessfully arguing that Hitler was secretly (and later not so secretly) preparing for a massive pan-European war and that disarming Britain and France, Hitler’s strongest enemies, was naive in the extreme. I guess that warmongers have their uses, especially in times of war! Are politicians for some reason genetically unable to learn from history? Heaven help us.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I would not fault any member of the armed forces who simply walks away from it all.

    Members of the armed forces will voice their protests in the only legitimate way they can – claim discharge at the first opportunity. The swivel chair hussars, responsible for the rock show, will then sit around, writing each other memos about the high rate of those electing discharges, and the poor state of unit cohesion, and morale.

  13. rickw

    Our concern needs to be the Chinese presence in and around PNG. I don’t mean in terms of full military bases, but economic assistance and political influence.

    Muddy, I have been travelling around the Pacific Islands for much of my working life. The problem is more than 20 years old and is prevalent in all locations that are not US protectorates. Even in the US protectorates there are issues. I’m in the Marshall Islands at present, there is one Chinese person here that the local Chinese community considers to be a spy for Beijing. I’ve met them and I tend to agree.

    Almost 20 years ago I saw the Chinese put a 747 on the ground for a week in Port Moresby with a “trade delegation “.

    The USA is well aware of the problem, I had cause to contact the US Consulate at one point about the potential for them to support a subsea UXO clearance. They said that they could deploy to assist for free in a very short time frame, such was their desire to re-assert influence in The Pacific.

    Of course none of this rates a mention with our Politicians or Military because they are either Stupid, on Beijing’s payroll, or both.

  14. Pyrmonter

    The military should not be a mechanism to facilitate social engineering or constitute an industry policy or exist simply to preserve Liberal politicians’ jobs in South Australia. Furthermore Australian defense policy should not constitute shooting for long enough so that the US can arrive for the real defense of the country.

    All true. But nothing whatever to do with armed forces personnel flirting with the iconography of fascism. The point of the armed forces of liberal democracies is that theheyre disciplined servants of the crown, accountable through military law to commanders ultimately responsible to the people in parliament;not gangsters and war criminals like Morant.

  15. Muddy

    rickw.
    The concepts of deterrence and using the military as a tool of influence seem to have been discarded well and truly. I’ve not had as much experience in PNG as I’m sure you have, however the potential consequences of inaction in that region seem obvious to me. Why it isn’t almost at the top of our foreign affairs ‘To-Do List’ is astounding.

    I consider that learning history and acknowledging it are two separate skills.

  16. kc

    When your own “staff” start laughing about you, respect is a long road back.

  17. Entropy

    Pyrmonter, the skull and crossbones is anarchist, not fascist. But that isn’t why soldiers use those symbols. It is because they also imply aggression, and a lack of fear of death. You know, the sort of thing that went along with a willingness to defend your country.

    This clown wants our soldiers to gently wage war with humility.
    I would prefer our soldiers to fight with aggression, assertiveness and wage war with such finality that no one wants to even think about starting a war with us.

  18. John Constantine

    What is the effective difference between the Chinese military building a naval base, and a commercial trading port being built by companies owned by the Chicom Peoples Liberation Army, operated by companies controlled by the Peoples Liberation Army and secured by contractors hired from the Peoples Liberation Army?.

    Or buying the 99 year lease on a facility already built?.

    Comrades?.

  19. Des Deskperson

    As I understand it, Campbell ‘left’ the Army in 2006 – presumably at one star level – and held senior jobs – a FAS and then a Dep Sec – in the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. He returned to the Army in 2010 and was promoted to MAJGEN.

    That may go some way to explaining his obvious politicisation, but I’m intrigued at the way he could hop between organisations like that.

    He would have had to go through a merit-based selection for the PM&C job, but would he have had to resign from the Army or is there some sort of machinery that allows him to maintain his ADF career. Similarly, by what process would he have been allowed to return to the Army, presumably at least at his former rank?

    His dad was reportedly a Brigadier, which may also help explain this rise. As I have said before, he looks and sounds dumb as a box of dog do, and even a died in the wool SJW might have realised that this isn’t the first issue that one should be raising when stepping up to the CDF join, particularly at this time of year.

  20. Confused Old Misfit

    This clown wants our soldiers to gently wage war with humility.
    I would prefer our soldiers to fight with aggression, assertiveness and wage war with such finality that no one wants to even think about starting a war with us.

    Seconded! With emphasis!

  21. John Constantine

    Australias foreign policy is based on the feeling that it is simply just so exciting to sign a capitulation document in London, Paris or New York, then take the edge off at an exclusive cocktail party afterwards, amongst people of the correct tone.

    Compare that to the low class tedium of the unwashed backwaters of the uncultured lands of our neighbourhood.

    Just as their Gillian triggs mocks the Koo Wee Rup proles:

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/koo-wee-rup-too-shabby-for-a-human-rights-commissioner-wanting-a–taxpayersubsidised–party/news-story/119a434fe6f63388385087b1a963dda0

    Their Julie bishop is a Paris grrrl, not a taro and baked pig diplomat.

    If you are not in their E.U. you are just camping out.

    Comrades.

  22. Haha low fuel reserves bringing us to our knees.
    All we need is truckload of chickens to jackknife on the Freeway and we grind to a halt!

    Are politicians for some reason genetically unable to learn from history? Heaven help us.

    At the moment an invader just needs to sit back and watch our current batch of incompetent corruptocrats continue on their path of economic destruction.
    Patience will reward them. Having bought the right politicians, they will be able to buy the place at auction for less than the cost of a military invasion.

  23. John Constantine

    If there were five million Japanese living in Australia in 1940, occupying vital occupations that the economy would grind to a halt without, we wouldn’t have had to fight that war either.

    We are ending up in an east Asian co-prosperity sphere anyway, why not take the big bribes upfront and cut out the troubling last gasps of old Australia?.

    Comrade Maaaaaates?.

  24. RobK

    The Beserkers were onto something.
    Berserkers were champion Norse warriors who are primarily reported in Icelandic sagas to have fought in a trance-like fury, a characteristic which later gave rise to the English word berserk. Wikipedia

  25. Perth trader

    The most important six inches on the battlefield is between your ears.”
    “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.”
    Mad Dog Mattis……a soldiers , soldiers.

  26. stackja

    ALP didn’t like Blamey. But presumably ALP happy with this general.

  27. Crossie

    The previous Labor government were soft on defense, while the current coalition government is downright irresponsible.

    I thought both Rudd and Gillard were unserious about our defence but Malcolm’s government is beyond that. Look at who’s in charge of our military? The Chinese would be laughing up their sleeve when they see Marise Payne while Chrissie Pyne must be causing belly laughs and knee slapping in Beijing.

    I suppose it could be worse, Malcolm could have given Defense to Kelly O’Dwyer.

  28. Crossie

    The harsh reality is that we need a strong ally, because defending ourselves is an expensive business.

    Too bad we spent all our Defense budget on Chrissie Pyne’s submarines. And let’s not forget, being generous to every country shopper in the world quickly adds up to half a trillion in debt. Now we can’t even afford warpaint.

  29. Crossie

    We had a right to hope that, after the last pussy that was appointed, those responsible would have the intelligence to appoint a soldier to a soldiers job. Who makes these appointments? The selection jury for course participants at The College for the Advancement of Womyns Studies? F. M. D!

    I suspect it’s Lucy seeing as Malcolm’s favourite opening line is “Lucy and I” and he defers to her judgement on most thing.

  30. The ADF is now nothing more than a social experiment. I’m glad I left when I did.

  31. OneWorldGovernment

    rickw
    #2692676, posted on April 22, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    ……
    Of course none of this rates a mention with our Politicians or Military because they are either Stupid, on Beijing’s payroll, or both.

    rickw

    Virginia Class submarines

    Submarine port off Manus Island with minimum of 2 in rotation.

    Couple or 3 at Cockburn.

    Couple or 3 at Singapore to supplement the US.

    Sweet talk Philippines for a couple and not Subic Bay.

    Couple off Brisbane.

  32. lotocoti

    But nothing whatever to do with armed forces personnel flirting with the iconography of fascism.

    The Jolly Roger has a long nautical tradition, and nothing to do with fascism.
    Or perhaps the Fighting 103 really are sekrit nazis like the rest of the Yankee Air Pirates.

  33. Boambee John

    John Constantine at 1319

    they would look like Darwin’s Galapagos tortoise compared to the speed with which Australia’s political orc class flee this place when our oil is cut off.

    Some of them might be able to spell Quisling, but I doubt that any would know the derivation of it in modern political discourse.

  34. Boambee John

    Egor
    #2692669, posted on April 22, 2018 at 1:35 pm
    Campbell the soldier became an Institutional fellow traveller enthusiastically developing marxist social engineering at the highest levels of the public service. He thinks he’s a cool Renaissance man now….. and very acceptable to the arts world.

    From Saturday on the Open Thread, slightly modified.

    On the subject of generals, years ago I heard a (possibly apocryphal) story about tge effects of promotion.

    Allegedly, while Mike Jeffrey was CO SASR, he and some of his officers were having a “bull session” in the mess, discussing how to make the Army better over a few beers. One officer was said to have commented to the CO “When you are a general, sir, you will be able to fix all of this”. The response was along the lines that “By the time I become a general, I will be part of the problem”.

    I always thought of this as a very humble response from a man who reached great heights. I am seeing it now as a prophecy of a future brutal reality.

  35. RobK

    OWG,
    Virginia Class submarines
    With smart deployables, (which we would be able to have a hand in developing), a much smaller fleet of this type of platform could manage the work of a large fleet.
    E.g. smart sleeping monitors, silent unmanned underwater drones capable of upto 1000km radius on seawater/Alumium electric power source.

  36. Boambee John

    Des D at 1425

    but would he have had to resign from the Army or is there some sort of machinery that allows him to maintain his ADF career. Similarly, by what process would he have been allowed to return to the Army, presumably at least at his former rank?

    Transfer to the Active Reserve, and continue part time in Army HQ? Then request return to the Regular force. With support from the then PM, this would quickly be approved.

  37. OneWorldGovernment

    Pyrmonter
    #2692720, posted on April 22, 2018 at 3:10 pm

    Exceptionally well put:

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/04/the-army-serves-the-crown-not-itself/

    Then may I suggest some iconography they should be allowed

    For the Crown, the Lion and the Dragon rampant;
    For Australia, the Kangaroo and the Emu;
    For Christianity, the Rose and the Cross.

  38. lotocoti

    With smart deployables

    They’re called the torpedo and the sea mine.

  39. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Entropy at 2:15 pm:

    “… But that isn’t why soldiers use those symbols. It is because they also imply aggression, and a lack of fear of death. You know, the sort of thing that went along with a willingness to defend your country.

    This clown wants our soldiers to gently wage war with humility.
    I would prefer our soldiers to fight with aggression, assertiveness and wage war with such finality that no one wants to even think about starting a war with us.”

    That is precisely how these symbols were explained to me by a fellow I know who was in Afghanistan several times over as a US marine sergeant. His lot would raid suspects before sunrise, bursting in making lots of angry noise, wearing skull emblazoned balaclavas, bearing the name “devil dogs” and with alsations for company. The purpose was, unsurprisingly, to confuse, shock and instill fear to the extent that the enemy (are they allowed to use that word still?) would “ship their pants” and become further disoriented and quickly neutralised. They used each raid to build their reputation as a crew to be afraid of. The Australians act similarly.

    Chubby Marise would find that quite distasteful I’m sure, Care Bear Campbell obviously considers it simply apawwlling.

    It all becomes academic though, as Comrade John Constantine points out at 2:18 pm, on Darwin:

    “What is the effective difference between the Chinese military building a naval base, and a commercial trading port being built … operated … controlled … and secured by contractors hired from the Peoples Liberation Army?.

    Or buying the 99 year lease on a facility already built?”

    and as incoherent rambler ventures at 2:31 pm:

    ” …
    At the moment an invader just needs to sit back and watch our current batch of incompetent corruptocrats continue on their path of economic destruction.

    Patience will reward them. Having bought the right politicians, they will be able to buy the place at auction for less than the cost of a military invasion.”

    Low fuel reserves? We’ve got a couple of weeks worth, theoretically, stored in an orderly fashion in strategically located terminals. Aren’t they? Oh?

  40. OneWorldGovernment

    RobK
    #2692737, posted on April 22, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    OWG,
    Virginia Class submarines
    With smart deployables, (which we would be able to have a hand in developing), a much smaller fleet of this type of platform could manage the work of a large fleet.
    E.g. smart sleeping monitors, silent unmanned underwater drones capable of upto 1000km radius on seawater/Alumium electric power source.

    Exactly.

    The other day I saw another farque u by this Australian Socialist Government in that we have 12 ships to be built in Australia. I forget which European country is doing the build.

    But 2 have to be built in WA and I think the remaining 10 were to be built in Qld.

    So which European country is going to help us defend our country?

    We know that the Chinese are paying Australian politicians but how many Australian politicians are on the EU ‘bosom’?

  41. Des Deskperson

    ‘Transfer to the Active Reserve, and continue part time in Army HQ? Then request return to the Regular force. With support from the then PM, this would quickly be approved.”

    Thanks, John.

    The bloke seems to have a lot of mates at senior levels in the APS..

  42. Dr Fred Lenin

    The communists did the same thing with the Police changed the name to Police Service ,filled the top ranks with fellow travellers recruited female and indeterminate gender dwarves who are useless in a stoush ,I remember a number of senior police resigning when comrade fatty Nixon took over Vicpol P/L these mates of mine had many many years of Police experience ,a great loss to the former Force . She got the push and the underl Anders a firmer Canberra Police office boy took over to continue theindoctrination we haven’t had a real Copper as Comissioner for years ,all political fellow travellers . The army is going the same way,we will end up making Mussolini’s Second World War army look like Heroes .

  43. RobK

    Lotocoti,
    They’re called the torpedo and the sea mine.
    Modern devices can sleep on the ocean floor and monitor and report as required months or years at a time. They can sleep and then move silently, autonomously for 100s of km. Call them what you will. Our enemy is likely to use them against us.

  44. Boambee John

    I wonder are sharks still acceptable? How about eagles? Cpl Courage, eagle mascot of 2 Cav Regt might be in trouble. Tigers? See 5 RAR mascot.

  45. Boambee John

    Des

    He went to the AOS in 2006, under Howard, went back to the Army in 2010, under either Rudd or Gillard, depending on the date? Do you know when in 2010?

  46. OneWorldGovernment

    lotocoti
    #2692740, posted on April 22, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    With smart deployables

    They’re called the torpedo and the sea mine.

    lotocoti

    As RobK suggests above we only need strategically place submarines to provide a platform for drones.

    Mind you, a few appropriately placed mini satellites in geo stationary orbit would be handy as well.

    And long range aircraft.

    And a bunch of SASR types all branded with care bear iconography to rip the shit out of anyone that laughs at them.

  47. OneWorldGovernment

    mind ma tea

  48. stackja

    ALP left how many moles in APS?

  49. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2692763, posted on April 22, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    As RobK suggests above we only need strategically place submarines to provide a platform for drones.

    Mind you, a few appropriately placed mini satellites in geo stationary orbit would be handy as well.

    And long range aircraft.

    Submarines yes. Satellites No! they will be the first to go in a major conflict, by major I mean US ,China or Russia involved.
    With minor it’s not in their interest to interfere with them, and the small players don’t have the capability to harm them.

    And a bunch of SASR types all branded with care bear iconography to rip the shit out of anyone that laughs at them.

    Them too, good idea.

  50. Des Deskperson

    ‘He went to the AOS in 2006, under Howard, went back to the Army in 2010, under either Rudd or Gillard, depending on the date? Do you know when in 2010?’

    His official bio on the Army website says ‘early 2010’

    Gillard became PM on 24 June 2010.

  51. BrettW

    Campbell is a serious disappointment if he thought that order was how he wanted to start off after being announced as CDF. Even worse when you think he is former CO SAS and actually has some good command experience behind him.

    Saw somewhere a picture of him coming out of a Blackhawk which had the Grim Reaper logo above the door. It must have triggered him quite badly.

    He said his recruitment priority was “diversity”.

    Looks like a perfect match for Payne and Pyne.

  52. OneWorldGovernment

    BrettW
    #2692779, posted on April 22, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Campbell is a serious disappointment if he thought that order was how he wanted to start off after being announced as CDF. Even worse when you think he is former CO SAS and actually has some good command experience behind him.

    Australian socialism.

    Good and Hard.

  53. Boambee John

    Des Deskperson
    #2692772, posted on April 22, 2018 at 4:37 pm
    ‘He went to the AOS in 2006, under Howard, went back to the Army in 2010, under either Rudd or Gillard, depending on the date? Do you know when in 2010?’

    His official bio on the Army website says ‘early 2010’

    Gillard became PM on 24 June 2010.

    Saw the writing on the wall?

  54. manalive

    Nose art would of course be entirely anathema to the defence chief, he would have had an attack of the vapours had caught sight of something like this.

  55. What did any of yooz expect when we have a fat arsed woman and a pinko mincing poodle at the helm?
    The minute I heard that fat arsed lez was appointed defense minister, I knew we was fvcked.

  56. Dr Fred Lenin

    If we want to change our defence capabilities we need to think outside the box.
    Submarines are old hat except for US nuclear and they are not new .
    Foot soldiers are obsolete except for population _control and special forces .
    Tanks are too easy to kill these days only good for Tienamin square duty crushing dissenters .
    Drones are the future for selective destruction of enemies ,air to air fighting drones are not impossible ,
    Satellites and detection devices are super smart now ,be hard for a sub or plane to avoid detection.
    Finally missiles we need a new missile corps free from the old obsolete services ,technically smart and dedicated . Using ICBMs, medium range and short range tactical nukes ,with our own scientists developing new improvements continually .
    Financing this ? Start by stopping renewables subsidies then welfare to migrants and legal aid for them , that with cuts to the PS and politicians would get the ball rolling easily . WAKE UP AUSTRALIA , YOUR COUNTRY IS IN MORTAL DANGER !

  57. jupes

    Even worse when you think he is former CO SAS and actually has some good command experience behind him.

    No. He was a Squadron Commander in SASR then was CO of 2 RAR, an infantry battalion.

  58. jupes

    Some good quotes in the Weekend Australian on Anzac Day 100 years ago in France:

    Sergeant Jimmy Downing of the 15th Brigade:

    … bayonets passed with ease through grey-clad and were withdrawn with a sucking noise … one saw running forms in the dark, trying to escape, only to be stabbed or shot down as they ran … we were berserk, every one of us, there was no quarter. I remember bayoneting one Hun, a square fair solid fellow. The bayonet passed right through his heart … the killing went on. There was blood all over my rifle and bayonet and hands and all. Dawn broke and we started sniping and got many more Huns. We were sick of killing.

    Compare and contrast:

    Angus Campbell:

    As soldiers our purpose is to serve the state, employing violence with humility always and compassion wherever possible.

    One of the above men has a clue.

  59. Clam Chowdah

    I’m sure he’ll be banning the winged dagger next. A nasty symbol of violence!

  60. jupes

    More from the Weekend Australian:

    Will Dyson, the Australian war artist at Villers-Bretonneaux:

    The boys are more eager, cheerful, bucked up and full of fight than ever before … What they have done is in so striking a contrast to what others did not do … these bad men, these ruffians … they are the stuff of heroes and the most important thing on earth at this blessed moment.

    General Monash:

    The number one priority I have with respect to recruitment is increasing our diversity.” He set a target to double the proportion of women employed by the Army from 12 per cent to 25 per cent by 2025.

    Oh sorry. That wasn’t General Monash, that was General Campbell. My bad.

  61. Infidel Tiger

    Rainbow flag insignias are mandatory of course.

    We are so fucked.

  62. I wonder if anyone in ‘Cantberra’ has a clue as to what this sort of stuff does to morale? Then again, I don’t think any of them care.

  63. jupes

    The depressing part of all this is the trajectory. Since 1940 when the WAAAF was formed, females have continually been allowed to do more in the military. Since 1983 when females were given the same training at ADFA, the process has accelerated.

    Unfortunately there is no sign of it stopping and not only does the ADF now provide sex change operations for trannies, but there is even a cadet of no specific gender at ADFA.

    Morrison and Campbell are the natural result of a decades long process where no real leader has emerged to put a stop to this shit.

  64. rickw

    Why it isn’t almost at the top of our foreign affairs ‘To-Do List’ is astounding.

    Muddy, you make me repeat myself! :). Because they are Stupid, on Beijing’s payroll or both!!

    There is inaction on what is probably really a 40 year old issue not by accident.

    Treason abounds in our Political Class and I can’t wait till they’re all strung up for their efforts!

  65. Des Deskperson

    ‘His official bio on the Army website says ‘early 2010’
    Gillard became PM on 24 June 2010.

    Saw the writing on the wall?’

    To be fair, John, being National Security Advisor to Rudd – an intransigently omniscient expert in all national security matters – would have been trying to someone with any pride in their craft, not that we can be sure that Campbell still had or has any.

    On the other hand, it’s an area where Gillard appears to have had no interest at all.

    Someone – Howard or Rudd – must have liked what he told them because at some stage between late 2005 and early 2010 – no precise date seems readily available – 0he was promoted to Dep Sec in PM&C

  66. Infidel Tiger

    Modern army is worried about having its pubes manicured for Mardi Gras. Meanwhile back in the day:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NickMcCallum7/status/987985387476824064/photo/1

  67. Entropy

    The other day I saw another farque u by this Australian Socialist Government in that we have 12 ships to be built in Australia. I forget which European country is doing the build.

    But 2 have to be built in WA and I think the remaining 10 were to be built in Qld.

    So which European country is going to help us defend our country?

    Where would you rather go on a junket: Paris, France, or Mobile, Alabama?

  68. jock

    As a scot i know that part of the union jack is the saltire. The cross of st andrew adopted by the scots ovet 1200 years ago. Will this new general ban the union jack and the australian flag because of its chtistian and scots iconography?

  69. I’ve touted putting a Brigade into Israel for a years rotation before, but it now goes Into the List.
    Winstons list of shit that needs to happen on his ascension to the throne:
    18. Rotate a Brigade sized force with Army Aviation assets to Israel and create an AA wing of A10 Thunderbolts – one squadron to each rotation.
    17. Find out who the Concerned Community Groups are, and remove their funding.
    16. Defund Screen Australia.
    15. Cancel the Submarine Contract and order a dozen Virginia Class vessels for delivery over 12 years.
    14. Cancel the Uphill Wet Battery.
    13.Withdraw from all UN and other international bodies or treaties that do no to specifically favour Australia.
    12. Abolish any/all anti-discrimination and anti-free speech legislation and associated bodies both state and federal.
    11. Abolish any government ‘thing’ with the words Aboriginal, Indigenous, Torres Strait Islander.
    10. Delete Australian Standards.
    9. Wipe off the face of the earth – DFAT.
    8. Terminate all sporting bodies like ASADA.
    7. Bring back the death penalty.
    6. Safe Schools to be investigated with a view for charges being laid, for sexually predatory indoctrination;
    5. The Federal Departments of Health and Education abolished;
    4. Department of Defence overhauled;
    3. All judges/magistrates to be elected, not appointed;
    2. An immediate cessation of immigration;
    1. Several new nuclear/coal power stations to be commenced immediately the party gets in.

  70. candy

    The Military is a different organisation nowadays. I believe in some marches now servicewomen will lead?
    In a sense it does not matter who leads the march, as the poor fellows who suffered and died in the Great Wars are gone.

    The Military is a big complex like any other big public service organisation, quotas and such for women, gays, transgender needs, breastfeeding – it’s basically a feminised world we are heading to.

  71. jock

    Two quotes. Yes cliched but they capture the essence of war. Not the crap we adhere to today. Churchill said that in war there is no second prize and patton of course who said he didnt ask men to die for their country but rather make some other poor bastard die for his country.

    We have become too moral on war. It is brutal and involves killing other folk. Our general needs to learn one thing. Our people or theirs. There is no real choice.

  72. RobK;

    With smart deployables, (which we would be able to have a hand in developing), a much smaller fleet of this type of platform could manage the work of a large fleet.
    E.g. smart sleeping monitors, silent unmanned underwater drones capable of upto 1000km radius on seawater/Alumium electric power source.

    I’m not knocking your contribution, but this sort of thing is the core of all our defence problems. We mistake developing for bending and welding metal. In the end we have no assets, just developing kit that never gets to the front lines in a battleworthy condition and in enough numbers to matter.

  73. Mater

    Maters Musing – 22 April 18

    Is stencilling kills on the side of your fuselage considered to be ’employing violence with humility’?

  74. Leigh Lowe

    Mater

    #2692957, posted on April 22, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    Maters Musing – 22 April 18

    Is stencilling kills on the side of your fuselage considered to be ’employing violence with humility’?

    A while ago I saw the tail of a Cherman plane in a museum with scores of kill motiffs painted on it.
    Of course, the tail was from an ME109 or similar and most of the “kills” were Lancasters.
    Not sure about that.

  75. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2692883, posted on April 22, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    Modern army is worried about having its pubes manicured for Mardi Gras. Meanwhile back in the day:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NickMcCallum7/status/987985387476824064/photo/1

    I have often heard references to “age unknown” among casualties.
    I think it really means the birth certificate didn’t match the enlistment papers when full documentation was done after the event.

  76. Infidel Tiger

    Imagine how great Australia could have been if our best of breed hadn’t all been slaughtered in WWI?

    That war ruined us as a nation.

  77. twostix

    This will all fall away when the next existential war comes and nobody will remember or care about whoever this guy is or his silly peacetime rules one second after it starts.

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    That war ruined us as a nation.

    Rural Australia never recovered from the First World War.

  79. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2692965, posted on April 22, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Imagine how great Australia could have been if our best of breed hadn’t all been slaughtered in WWI?

    That war ruined us as a nation.

    Yep.
    Almost no-one talks about their dead WW1 relatives as “grandpa”.
    It is nearly always a “great uncle”.
    Nearly all died in their early 20’s and had no kids.
    As for rural towns … how many of them are three or four blocks square (probably smaller in 1914) with 5 kms of trees in their Avenue of Honour?

  80. Muddy

    That war ruined us as a nation.

    It also provided a great breadth of experience that stood us in good stead during WWII in the Pacific (the first 18 months I mean), notwithstanding the political unpreparedness and ineptitude.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    It also provided a great breadth of experience that stood us in good stead during WWII in the Pacific (the first 18 months I mean), notwithstanding the political unpreparedness and ineptitude.

    No offence, but you’re a fucking moron.

  82. Muddy

    No offence taken Infidel Tiger, because I realise you have no idea what you’re writing about. Feel free to continue.

  83. Infidel Tiger

    Righto. You believe the mass slaughter of of WWI was great because it prepared us for the next mass slaughter.

    You probably think the Treaty of Versailles was a great document.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    No offence, but you’re a fucking moron.

    Mmmyes.
    60,000 dead and 150,000 wounded out of a population of 5 million.
    Jolly good training run for WW2, what?

  85. Des Deskperson

    “Imagine how great Australia could have been if our best of breed hadn’t all been slaughtered in WWI?”

    And yet Australia’s WWI death rates – military and civilian – as a percentage of population was nothing like those suffered by other combatants.

    Australia’s has been estimated at 1.24% of the 1914 population.

    The comparative rate for, say, France was 4.39%. Military deaths alone for France was 3.6% of the population.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    It also provided a great breadth of experience that stood us in good stead during WWII in the Pacific (the first 18 months I mean), notwithstanding the political unpreparedness and ineptitude.

    The sort of shit which was spouted by the chinless wonders the Brits sent to command the troops on the Western Front.

    “Lost 1,000 today, but we gained 50 yards and the remising 500 are jolly well sharpened up for tomorrow.
    Pip pip, tally ho!”

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You probably think the Treaty of Versailles was a great document.

    Anyone who thinks Imperial Germany was hard done by at Versailles needs to look up the “Treaty of Brest Litivosk” – the treaty imposed by Germany on a defeated Russian Empire.

  88. Infidel Tiger

    100,000 slaughtered today.

    “What rotten luck. Elevenses?”

  89. Boambee John

    twostix
    #2692968, posted on April 22, 2018 at 9:06 pm
    This will all fall away when the next existential war comes and nobody will remember or care about whoever this guy is or his silly peacetime rules one second after it starts.

    Until 7 December 1941, US time, FDR was a vocal critic of German unrestricted submarine warfare (sink without warning) in the Atlantic.

    That day he ordered the USN to commence unrestricted submarine warfare against Japan. This was carried out with utter ruthlessness (See the record of LCDR “Mush” Morton, foe example). Needs will be met.

  90. Infidel Tiger

    Fucking hell Zulu. The treaty of Versailles was one of the stupidest moments in human history.

    Don’t tell me you are a T of V trooper?

  91. Leigh Lowe

    Des.
    WW1 was a home game for the Frogs.
    They inevitably copped a lot of civilian casualties.
    Australia’s casualties were almost entirely men aged 18 – 28.

  92. Muddy

    Perhaps some of you might like to read my comment again, step back, and think about it. Pay particular attention to the second word in the sentence.
    Or, you could pretend you know what you’re dribbling about, and pile on.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The sort of shit which was spouted by the chinless wonders the Brits sent to command the troops on the Western Front.

    Those “chinless wonders” must have dome something right – it was the British Army that won the most complete series of victories it has ever had, during the “Hundred Days”, the German Army that, contrary to later German propaganda was utterly defeated, and retreating in confusion and disorder, and it was a German delegation that crossed the lines, under a white flag, looking for an Armistice, not the other way around.

  94. Boambee John

    Infidel Tiger
    #2692995, posted on April 22, 2018 at 9:50 pm
    Fucking hell Zulu. The treaty of Versailles was one of the stupidest moments in human history.

    Perhaps so, but if the equivalent of Brest Litovsk had been imposed on Germany, the drafters of Versailles would have been considered great statesmen. So, perhaps “one of the stupidest moments”, but there were worse.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    .
    Australia’s casualties were almost entirely men aged 18 – 28.

    Our best men. All killed or maimed.

    We never recovered and then we did it again 20 years later.

    Now we are a nation of men who wear dress shoes without socks and kiss each other hello.

    Any time you ever hear anyone say “we need a good war” kick them as hard as you can in their fucking [email protected]

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The comparative rate for, say, France was 4.39%. Military deaths alone for France was 3.6% of the population.

    I’m quoting John Terraine’s classic “The Smoke and the Fire”, – the French had the highest casualty rate of the victorious powers, with over 70% of all men mobilized casualties. The doubtful honor of the highest rate of casualties suffered during Wobbly Wobbly One goes to the Austro – Hungarian Empire – 90% of all men mobilized killed, wounded or captured.

  97. Leigh Lowe

    Someone always loses wars of attrition.
    Usually those with the lowest stocks of cannon fodder.
    That bestows no credit … none, zip, zero … on the chinless wonders who think this is just another Eton sports day.

  98. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now we are a nation of men who wear dress shoes without socks and kiss each other hello.

    Speak for yourself.

  99. Clam Chowdah

    Elect judges? Retarded.

  100. Muddy

    It also provided a great breadth of experience…

    So tell me where I agreed that such a loss was beneficial?

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Perhaps so, but if the equivalent of Brest Litovsk had been imposed on Germany, the drafters of Versailles would have been considered great statesmen. So, perhaps “one of the stupidest moments”, but there were worse.

    I don’t have a reference, but the French delegation at Versailles, were getting their own back for the treaty imposed on them, after the Franco Prussian war of 1870.

  102. JC

    Hayek wrote about the treaty’s encumbrances on the Kraut economy. According to Hayek, they amounted to around 2.25% of German GDP, so it was nowhere near an economic disaster. Germany’s economy failed after the war because of gross economic mismanagement.

    The hyper-inflation wasn’t what ushered in the Nazis. Ironically enough it was deflation that sent the fuckers over the edge.

  103. Muddy

    The Versailles Peace Treaty, the pact that ended World War I between the German empire and the Allies, has not enjoyed a high reputation among politicians, historians, and opinion-makers since its signing in June 1919. Conventional wisdom has it that, guided by motives of punishment and revenge, and based on the untenable claim that Germany had caused the war, the treaty’s chief instigators, United States president Woodrow Wilson, British prime minister David Lloyd George and French prime minister Georges Clemenceau, imposed a Carthaginian peace upon the defeated enemy. Loss of vital industrial and agricultural regions and the imposition of massive reparation payments crippled the economy of the Weimar Republic. This in turn constantly destabilised the Republic’s political life. Thus the gentle seeds of democracy that are said to have been sown in the aftermath of the Great War were not allowed to flourish. Instead, the fourteen years of the Republic were marked by perpetual confrontations, setbacks, and unsurmountable difficulties – all linked to the harshness of the Versailles Peace Treaty – which in the end drove the German people into the arms of Adolf Hitler, whose evil potential, of course, no one could foresee. In this authoritative and well-written book, Jurgen Tampke argues that Germany got away with its responsibility for World War I and its behaviour during it; that the treaty was nowhere near as punitive as has been claimed; that the German hyper-inflation of the 1920s was at least partly deliberate policy to minimise the cost of paying reparations; and that WWII was a continuation of Germany’s longstanding war aims (which went back beyond WWI to the late nineteenth century). Woodrow Wilson and the US’s role also play an important part in this story. ‘In this highly readable account Jurgen Tampke tackles the much-debated and perennially fascinating question of whether the Treaty of Versailles caused the Second World War. He comes down firmly on the No side and produces a wealth of evidence and careful analysis to back his arguments.

    [I haven’t read it yet, so won’t comment on its value].

  104. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    [I haven’t read it yet, so won’t comment on its value].

    I have – recommended reading, indeed.

  105. Infidel Tiger

    Shut up Jc. The treaty of Versailles led to WWII and another 20,000,000 plus dead.

    All Hayek proves is that economics is the stupidest profession on earth and that anyone practicing it should be anally ra$$ed by a dildo filled with fire ants.

    No historian of any note coniawra the Treaty of Versailles anything but a debacle and a mistake.

  106. jupes

    The Military is a different organisation nowadays. I believe in some marches now servicewomen will lead?
    In a sense it does not matter who leads the march, as the poor fellows who suffered and died in the Great Wars are gone.

    The Military is a big complex like any other big public service organisation, quotas and such for women, gays, transgender needs, breastfeeding – it’s basically a feminised world we are heading to.

    Pretty sure your last para shows that we have already arrived at that feminised world candy.

  107. JC

    Artiste

    The level of hardship wasn’t off the cliff. 2.25% would kill you you. It was the German polity that blamed the reparations on how done by the Krauts were. It was massive disinformation from all sides of politics. But the reality is that the reps were doable. The level of economic mismanagement was fucking massive. Those imbeciles were hurtling around from hyper inflation to significant deflation like exploding rocket.

  108. jupes

    We have become too moral on war. It is brutal and involves killing other folk. Our general needs to learn one thing. Our people or theirs. There is no real choice.

    Spot on. The west now prefers to win the moral war rather than the actual war.

    Hence they can’t defeat a bunch of goat herders after 17 years.

  109. Oh come on

    Jayzus.

    Zippy alarmed me with his flippant talk of using Zyklon B indiscriminately to – presumably – do what Zykoln B does when it oxidises and is exposed to large numbers of humans. To a fifth of the world’s population, even. But no. Zippy said this was a joke. A dark one.

    I’m calling bullshit. No, it wasn’t. If you had the chance to pull the trigger on your “joke” – gas all the Muslims, a Final Solution – would you? No fucking about now – retract or fuck off.

  110. JC

    No historian of any note coniawra the Treaty of Versailles anything but a debacle and a mistake.

    That’s just modern age leftism. Traditionally if you lose a war, you lose massive amounts of land etc if not all of it and all your sheilas get raped. The V was very mild.

  111. Infidel Tiger

    Jc, Woodrow Wilson is the worst man of the 20th century. A complete and utter scumbag.

    In victory you must be magnanimous when fighting against a like minded foe.

  112. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pretty sure your last para shows that we have already arrived at that feminised world candy

    Somebody, a couple of years ago, posted the latest recruiting advertisement for the Royal Australian Air Force, A pregnant LACW , explaining how family friendly and understanding, the military was…Said advertisement was compared to an advertisement for ladies sanitary requirements…

  113. JC

    Jc, Woodrow Wilson is the worst man of the 20th century. A complete and utter scumbag.

    Well yes, he was a D’rat.

  114. JC

    In victory you must be magnanimous when fighting against a like minded foe.

    Who won though? The Anglosphere certainly did. The Frogs didn’t. They were fucked. The smaller war in the Italian campaign saw 90% death rates in a large number of their units. The krauts deserved a decent headkicking for what they did and 2.25% wasn’t onerous in the least.

  115. jupes

    A while ago I saw the tail of a Cherman plane in a museum with scores of kill motiffs painted on it.
    Of course, the tail was from an ME109 or similar and most of the “kills” were Lancasters.
    Not sure about that.

    You must be referring to this one at the Australian War Memorial:

    Major Heinz Wolfgang Schnaufer was the most successful German night fighter pilot of the Second World War with 121 kills on British and Commonwealth bombers in only 164 operational sorties. He was awarded the Knights Cross with Oakleaves swords and diamonds and was very well known amongst both Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces who nicknamed him ‘the Night Ghost of St Trond’

    “Kills” refers to allied aircraft. 121 “kills” means he probably killed close to 800 allied air crew. Schnaufer didn’t get these blokes though.

  116. jupes

    In victory you must be magnanimous when fighting against a like minded foe.

    No. In victory you must write their new constitution then occupy their country and enforce it.

    Japan after WW2 is a good example of doing this, while Germany after WW1 and Iraq and Afghanistan this century are good examples of not doing it.

  117. OneWorldGovernment

    Australian socialism needs to prove there credentials to the EU.

    Every thing bought is EU.

    How much money did the poo whisperer get for encouraging EU filtration systems.

    When does Australia start to bomb the farque out of Germany and France scum?

  118. Up The Workers!

    Has he announced yet when the Shrine in Melbourne or the Australian War Memorial in Canberra will be demolished?

    They are both famous was icons.

  119. OneWorldGovernment

    What ever country Australia gets refugees from then we should start strip bombing the farque out of their country of origin.

    Blow the farque out of every mosque on a Friday.

    And then move in and colonize the farquing joint.

  120. Y

    That war ruined us as a nation

    Yes. It was even worse for England. WWI was probably the most hideous tragedy to befall civilisation, maybe ever.

  121. OneWorldGovernment

    Y
    #2693063, posted on April 22, 2018 at 11:19 pm

    That war ruined us as a nation

    Yes. It was even worse for England. WWI was probably the most hideous tragedy to befall civilisation, maybe ever.

    Well the German xunts are doing it again!

    Kill the fuckers.

  122. Egor

    Great uncle Laurie was an Australian pilot in a Pommie Lancaster squadron. He had to search his tail gunner before take off to ensure he wasn’t carrying a torch…….carried for the purpose of attracting German night fighters. These blokes were a bit too keen. They were also one of the very few Lancs to shoot down an Me 262. He survived two tours.

  123. manalive

    Niall Ferguson’s The Pity of War is a full account of an ugly war including the shooting down of surrendering enemy by both sides.
    His grandfather was a Seaforth Highlander who was gassed permanently damaging his lungs.

  124. A Lurker

    WTF is going on in our armed forces?

  125. Malcolm

    Our military chiefs think Defence should project love not force.

  126. Diogenes

    I am eagerly awaiting General Order No #2

    All ADF rifles, pistols & machine guns will be placed under police guard & then taken to a disposal facility. All breech blocks for artillery and tanks will be removed & destroyed , and then the rest of the cannon/tank. Ammunition for all weapons will be loaded onto barges , taken out to the Marianas trench and dumped. The airforce will remove all weapons hardpoints from all aircraft.

  127. John Comnenus

    I think Campbell has terminally destroyed any chance he had of being an effective leader of the ADF. In one fell swoop he has alienated his men by publicly holding them and their values in contempt and telling them that they are in effect immoral for holding such views.

    This is such poor judgement I think it calls in to question his ability to lead the ADF.

    What on earth made this is number one issue to raise upon being announced CDF? It is ludicrous.

  128. Entropy

    To be fair, John, I think it was his number two issue. Number one as to worship at the holy alter of TEH DIVERSITY!

  129. Percy Porcelain

    The previous Labor government were soft on defense, while the current coalition government is downright irresponsible.

    The noxious Quislings have given up even pretending they could be bothered with defending this country.

    They’re too busy handing it over to the Chinamen, lock, stock and barrel.

    Campbell, Payne and Pyne are an absolute disgrace.

  130. Roger.

    [Campbell] said his recruitment priority was “diversity”.

    There are studies on the impact of “diversity” on platoons in combat.

    Diversity costs in terms of efficiency and lives.

    When the long march through the institutions reaches the military a country is truly rooted.

  131. Tel

    Yes. It was even worse for England. WWI was probably the most hideous tragedy to befall civilisation, maybe ever.

    Making a mistake is a tragedy, but failing to learn from it is the hideous part.

    All of these “temporary” wartime powers that were suddenly implemented in WWI (like income tax for example) rapidly moved the entire Western civilization away from classical liberal democracy and now everytime we talk about walking back a few of those “temporary” powers, suddenly a new and very important threat appears.

    This should have been obvious when they declared “War on Poverty” as if such a thing made sense… but there you go.

  132. Des Deskperson

    ‘This is such poor judgement I think it calls in to question his ability to lead the ADF.’

    Precisely, John.

    And the fact that he did it in the week leading up ANZAC Day puts him up – or down – there with Yammie in terms of poor judgement and bad taste.

  133. Boambee John

    I’m cutious. Why didn’t Campbell implement this policy in the Army while he was Chief of Army? Was he frightened that it would frighten the horses in Navy and Air Force, who would lobby against him when the CDF position came up?

    It looks very much as though he knew it would not be well received, and waited until he got the CDF job before standing on his fick.

  134. Boambee John

    I’m curious, though I am also cutious!

  135. max

    Fifty years before WW1 broke out, southern China was torn apart by an even bloodier conflict. Conservative estimates of the dead in the 14-year Taiping rebellion start at between 20 million and 30 million. Around 17 million soldiers and civilians were killed during WW1.

  136. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2692965, posted on April 22, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Imagine how great Australia could have been if our best of breed hadn’t all been slaughtered in WWI?

    That war ruined us as a nation.

    It turned us into a nation of maiden aunts.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2693233, posted on April 23, 2018 at 10:48 am

    “We need a good war to sort the youth out”:

    Want a good war?
    Tune in here Wednesday when people start quacking on about the bwilliant stwategy of the chinless wonders in command on the Western Front and what a jolly good hit-out it was in preparation for WW2.
    Stay close to me and bayonet the wounded that I leave behind.

  138. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2693233, posted on April 23, 2018 at 10:48 am

    “We need a good war to sort the youth out”:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/NickMcCallum7/status/987986725115805696/photo/1

    Marked grave.
    Luxury.

  139. Cynic of Ayr

    Oh Jesus! Another bloody Morrison!
    I suppose this political junky will be wearing high heels too?
    Do these jackasses ever stop to think how much damage they do to themselves, let alone the military?
    I hint may be found in the ridicule emanating from the ranks.

  140. Crazyoldranga

    I have to put my 10 cents in as an ex Royal Marines Commando. We had one job, kill the enemy. Kill him however you could, but kill him. We didn’t use any kind of symbology except face camo. However, and there is always a however, in modern day combat when fighting against barbarian scum in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, yes Pakistan, scaring the shit out of them before killing 99% of them is a wonderful strategy. Why only kill 99%? Someone has to tell the other scumbags what they are up against. So to summarise, we don’t need devil faced soldiers or skull and crossbones etc but by Christ they can be effective in putting off your enemy, which can be the difference between many casualties and none/few. That this asshat is ex SASR makes the whole thing not only contemptuous but almost criminal.

  141. Des Deskperson

    Des.
    WW1 was a home game for the Frogs.
    They inevitably copped a lot of civilian casualties.
    Australia’s casualties were almost entirely men aged 18 – 28.

    Leigh, in terms of military casualties alone, France had three times more dead per head of population than Australia. France’s casualties would also have been mainly young men. Alister Horne points out how entire year 12 classes were wiped out in the first few months of 1914.

  142. Pedro the Ignorant

    The Oz has a front page article (paywalled) featuring an open letter from a decorated former soldier bagging General Campbell’s directive on military symbols.

    300+ comments, 99% condemning the General’s stance.

    The consensus of the commentariat is that it was a very foolish move by the General to make this PC bilge his first move as Chief of the Defence Force.

  143. Pedro;

    The consensus of the commentariat is that it was a very foolish move by the General to make this PC bilge his first move as Chief of the Defence Force.

    It takes real talent to tread on your dick this badly on day one of your new job.

  144. Egor

    Let’s have a referendum on this matter. And a few others.
    A quick demonstration to show the insufferable elites that posturing wankers don’t prosper.

  145. Boambee John

    Pedro at 1218

    300+ comments, 99% condemning the General’s stance.

    The other comments are from Campbell’s wife and kids and Sweet Davie Morrison?

  146. max

    Swiss Armed neutrality is best foreign policy

    armed citizen’s militia

    cruise missiles each armed with a nuclear warhead

  147. Viva

    I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.

    Alexander the Great

  148. BrettW

    Have spoken to several serving and ex soldiers in past few days and the common comments are people are fed up with the PC stuff and can’t believe a senior officer with Campbell’s background would think this is worthy of being his first major order. Campbell has trashed his reputation on day one of being announced as CDF. Seems they have been told not to discuss it. Army will be probably scanning social media to identify any “rebels” who might be expressing negative thoughts towards this new policy.

    No doubt SAS, Commandos etc are already purging any warrior like emblems on T shirts, patches etc.

    Who knows it is so PC could even be a strategy to annoy the real soldiers so much they get out earlier than planned to make way for more women, rainbow warriors, trans and height challenged diverse types (sarc).

    Other military leaders are going to be lecturing about the ADF leadership and lessons on how to ruin the morale of a good fighting force with a proud military tradition.

    Now we need to know did he think this up himself or been advised by outside civilian consultants or PR people. Perhaps a focus group.

    One of my favourite aircraft nose arts is that of WW2 Ace Wing Cdr Bobby Gibbes. Was a kangaroo kicking a daschund. No doubt Campbell would find this inappropriate and disrespectful towards the enemy.

    You have to wonder if those below Campbell are telling him he has stuffed up big time.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    On a more positive note, Campbell has released his first approved SAS/Commando insignia.

  150. Splatacrobat

    Diversity costs in terms of efficiency and lives.

    I used to think women in combat was a bad thing and should be avoided at all costs. I’ve changed my mind on this over the past year and now believe the fastest way way will eliminate the the diversity botherers and social justice warriors is to let them have what they want.

    I say let there be diversity in all the arms of service, especially front line combat troops. Let them be led by Major Marjorie into battle and the male white knighter’s can carry the Febtbots bongos and ammunition in a phalanx of mutual respect for equality.

    When the smoke clears and they count the dead only then will this madness end.

  151. RobK

    Leigh,
    On a more positive note, Campbell has released his first approved SAS/Commando insignia.

    I think Spike the Dragon should be more than assertive and radical enough… and such a nice shade of pastel purple too to contrast to the camo.

  152. squawkbox

    Another political general angling for a governorship or even a governor-generalship. I suspect there is a socially ambitious wife in the background.

  153. John Constantine

    When disaster relief is the only time the Australian army is deployed overseas, it will be vital to have so much diversity thatstale pale males are a visual minority.

    This will aid in social engineering of the disaster zone through Soft Stalinism.

  154. Zatara

    Nothing on earth is as demoralizing to soldiers as realizing their lives aren’t as important as some politician’s point scoring, especially the CDF.

    A CDF who makes decisions based on political considerations is not who they want protecting them from politicians who think one can wage and win wars without offending people.

  155. Zatara

    Correction to my previous.

    Nothing on earth is as demoralizing to soldiers as realizing their lives aren’t as important as some politician’s point scoring, especially when the politician in question is the CDF.

  156. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    political correctness is communism with lipstick

  157. Confused Old Misfit

    As bad as Campbell’s directive is, it is more worrying that there is some one or group of some ones who recommended and subsequently approved his appointment.

    It is they who deserve catigation! Good and hard!

  158. Zatara

    As bad as Campbell’s directive is, it is more worrying that there is some one or group of some ones who recommended and subsequently approved his appointment.

    The man left the service, worked in politics for a few years, then miraculously re-entered service just in time to become CDF. Because there were no serving officers qualified for that position? Yeah, right.

    His first ‘accomplishments’ as CDF involve further feminizing the force and banning symbols which motivated fighting spirit but offended snowflakes.

    Does that reek of politics and sold souls? Nah, not a bit.

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