Medical cannabis/marijuana

There is an insidious movement at the moment to have cannabis legalised for medicinal purposes. Proponents see this as a means of ultimately legalising cannabis for recreational purposes.

I support the decriminalisation of cannabis; indeed it should be taxed like tobacco.

But it is outrageous to put the ‘medicinal’ label on cannabis use. There is no study – see the Cochrane Library – that has demonstrated using the scientific method (double blinded randomised controlled trials) that shows a therapeutic benefit from cannabis use beyond a placebo.

Yet the Greens are campaigning to ‘Make it Medicine’.

Ironically the Greens are ever more dogmatic about tobacco use, even though there is strong medical evidence that the use of vaping would save many lives.

In an article published in 1958 (Silvette H, Larson PS, Haag HB. Medical uses of tobacco: past and present. Virginia Med Monthly 1958;85: 472-84) there was a survey  of purported medicinal uses of tobacco between 1785 and 1860. These purported medicinal uses of tobacco included:

Tobacco administered externally

Bites of poisonous reptiles and insects; hysteria; pain, neuralgia; laryngeal spasm; gout; growth of hair; tetanus; ringworm ; rodent ulcer; ulcers; wounds; respiratory stimulant

Tobacco administered by rectum

Constipation; haemorrhoidal bleeding

Tobacco administered by mouth

Strangulated hernia (smoke by mouth); malaria or intermittent fever; dislodging obstructive material from oesophagus by inducing vomiting

Tobacco administered by inhalation

Nasal polyps.

No doctor today would recommend a patient take tobacco. Yet we do have doctors urging patients to use cannabis for purposes such as epilepsy. Yet, again, there is no scientific evidence supporting such usage.

Cannabis is likely to be more dangerous than tobacco. It has many of the same compounds (and can thus cause lung cancer, throat cancer etc when inhaled). It is addictive. But it also causes problems in the brain such as memory loss, depression, paranoia, social isolation, hallucinations and so forth.

Why is it that those so strongly in favour of cannabis use are so against the use of tobacco? That is quite puzzling – both are harmful and should be avoided.

I have never used cannabis and never will. Yet I would be happy for it to be legalised, controlled and taxed much as tobacco is.

But please don’t pretend it has some medical use. Today’s medicinal cannabis is like yesterday’s medicinal tobacco.

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36 Responses to Medical cannabis/marijuana

  1. None

    There is yet another family in my state today who is grieving the death of a family member because some fuk wit woman was too stoned to realise that she runs somebody over. Anyone who support Sergey criminalisation of marijuana needs to be criminalised themselves or else be forced into plane with someone who’s off their face as pilot.

  2. Percy Porcelain

    Yet I would be happy for it to be legalised, controlled and taxed much as tobacco is.

    Yeah, no. The amount of regulation and taxation now applied to tobacco has led directly to a massive new black market arising.

    If the labor and greenfilth imbeciles advocating the legalisation of cannabis on the basis that it be subjected to the same amount of regulation and taxation as tobacco, then the existing black market will continue to thrive.

  3. JC

    Lucius

    Why does it need to be controlled? You can make/brew your own alcoholic beverages, so why should you be restricted from growing your own?

  4. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    JC – you have a point. I just don’t think that cannabis should be regulated less than tobacco. Yes, we do overregulate tobacco and users are ostracised (but the government loves the tax revenue).

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Progressive-Green religion has many doctrines in its canon. One is marijuana-is-good. Another is tobacco-is-bad. There’s nothing reasoned about these nutty dogmas, but anyone opposing them is liable to be burned at stake as a heretic.

  6. manalive

    The Greens are campaigning for cannabis used as placebo and a treatment of last resort for the terminally ill.
    If cannabis use were ‘decriminalised’ there would be no need for any involvement by doctors.
    As with all other ’sin taxes’, I don’t see why its sale should attract any additional tax beyond the usual GST.
    Disclosure: I have never voted Green and most probably never will.

  7. Howard Hill

    Cannabis is likely to be more dangerous than tobacco. It has many of the same compounds (and can thus cause lung cancer, throat cancer etc when inhaled).

    None of this is proven but lets not let a good story get in the way of the truth, eh?

    It is addictive. But it also causes problems in the brain such as memory loss, depression, paranoia, social isolation, hallucinations and so forth.

    I wonder what drug you’re using for such paranoia and hallucinations to have so comprehensively affected your brain.

    I have never used cannabis and never will. Yet I would be happy for it to be legalised, controlled and taxed much as tobacco is.

    Of course you haven’t and of course you would. You’re just a huge government junkie.

  8. Mitch M.

    (double blinded randomised controlled trials)

    You can’t do that because of the psychoactive effect. Doh! You are either dishonest or couldn’t see the obvious. BTW, the above is not the “scientific method”, it is the preferred standard but when it comes to behavior interventions it can’t be used.

    Cannabis is likely to be more dangerous than tobacco.

    Health stats on cannabis are a big surprise. What you think is likely is irrelevant. I long thought it was likely to be a lung cancer risk but large studies aren’t finding that so I had to change my mind. On the contrary one of those large studies found a protective function against oral cancers. Given the pharmacology of THC(autophagy induced apoptosis\necrotic cancer cell death), and CBD(anti-angiogenesis, anti-inflammatory), that is perhaps not so surprising.
    It is ridiculous to compare cannabis to tobacco. You are referring to studies done in the 19th century!? Entirely different pharmacology. The nicotine in tobacco isn’t even an issue, it is the burning plant material. Same with cannabis, it should be eaten not smoked, or at least vaped. Nicotine has a lot of going for it but because of scare mongering people aren’t being told that.

    There is a an explanation for the use in some forms of epilepsy. It’s very simple: 2-AG and CBD potentiate GABA currents. Go tell the parents whose kids brains are being destroyed by epilepsy that they shouldn’t be using Charlotte’s web, which is almost devoid of THC but is very high in CBD.

    Perhaps you might consider the following because there are literally hundreds of studies of pointing to the neuroprotective properties of THC and CBD. That THC in particular enhances autophagy is very important because with aging autophagy declines and some even argue that is a suitable aging marker:
    Mol. Pharmaceutics, 3 (6), 773 -777, 2006. 10.1021/mp060066m S1543-8384(06)00066-9
    A Molecular Link between the Active Component of Marijuana and Alzheimer’s Disease Pathology

    …Here, we demonstrate that the active component of marijuana, 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), competitively inhibits the enzyme acetylcholinesterase (AChE) as well as prevents AChE-induced amyloid -peptide (A) aggregation, the key pathological marker of Alzheimer’s disease. Computational modeling of the THC-AChE interaction revealed that THC binds in the peripheral anionic site of AChE, the critical region involved in amyloidgenesis. Compared to currently approved drugs prescribed for the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease, THC is a considerably superior inhibitor of A aggregation, and this study provides a previously unrecognized molecular mechanism through which cannabinoid molecules may directly impact the progression of this debilitating disease.
    Keywords: Cannabinoids; Alzheimer’s disease; acetylcholinesterase

  9. JC

    Honest question, as opposed to dishonest. Can you make yourself change from the plate? Is it okay as in do other people do it?

  10. duncanm

    Why is it that those so strongly in favour of cannabis use are so against the use of tobacco? That is quite puzzling – both are harmful and should be avoided.

    indeed.

    But please don’t pretend it has some medical use. Today’s medicinal cannabis is like yesterday’s medicinal tobacco.

    but no.

    There is solid epidemiological data from multiple studies back to the 50’s demonstrating that nicotine reduces the incidence of death due to Parkinson’s disease.

  11. Fred Furkenburger

    As far as I am aware the “medicinal cannabis” does not contain the cannabinoids which gives you the high. Medicinal cannabis does not have that effect because those cannabinoids have been removed. Therefore medicinal cannabis cannot really be classed the same way as the plant it is derived from.

    I would not go along with legalising the real thing as it is too closely associated with various psychosis’. My cousins son is one case in point. He developed Schizophrenia from smoking too much dope. The stuff which is available these days is far more powerful than the stuff of my youth. It’s dangerous! I wouldn’t trust my sanity to smoke the stuff.

  12. Hydra

    I brew 3 slabs of beer for $35 tops and it comes in at 6%. Gonna ban me, too? Or tax me?

  13. areff

    taxed like tobacco.

    Precisely. The dope market appears to work just fine without government supervision. Keep it illegal.

  14. areff

    Parkinson’s and colitis. Also, it brings comfort to a hangover.

  15. None

    It is ridiculous to compare cannabis to tobacco

    Correct. You can have a cigarette and go fly a plane. You can’t have a joint and then go fly a plane. I’m not going to f****** well pay for another bunch of f****** public servants to bloody well monitor a bunch of reprobates and stop them from operating dangerous machinery, getting into a car, flying a plane, driving a train bus or whatever while they’re off their face. And if you think it doesn’t happen then just go ask the cops how many drug related deaths there are out there now. Or just ask people in the logistics and warehousing Industries how much it f****** costs to make sure their drivers etc etc are bloody well on the planet and how much that all gets passed off to consumers. Nevermind the number of murders because of some cannabis induced psychotic episode. The weed on the market today is not the weed that was on the market when half of you reprobates were toking on your potato bongs when you were teens. It’s far more potent and oftrn laced with all sorts of stuff. If you are such an imbecile that you need to smoke weed because you can’t face life like a human being that’s your problem. It is not up to the rest of us to indulge you’re dangerous infantile habit. Grow the f**** up you morons.

  16. Tel

    Of course you haven’t and of course you would. You’re just a huge government junkie.

    Government has killed more people than dope smoking which puts a point on the scoreboard for big government; that said, the recreational drugs industry continues to make a tidy profit despite repeated government promises to prevent that, so we have one point either way.

    Still anyone’s game!

  17. Goanna

    Some years ago John Faine took a talkback call from a woman when the discussion was about cannabis and driving.
    She said “I usually drive stoned. In fact I sat for my licence whilst stoned.”
    Faine was flabbergasted.

    It would seem some people can function quite normally under the influence of cannabis. There was suggestions that a former flamboyant Carlton VFL footballer used cannabis before taking to the field. It doesn’t always act as a sedative, sometimes it’s effect is as a stimulant.
    In the end it is a soft drug where tolerance quickly kicks in. Sure, some people have problems with cannabis, usually either the police or that they can’t get enough (tolerance.)

    The lethal dose of cannabis is approximately the consumption of one and a half tons to be consumed in twenty minutes. Go!

  18. John Constantine

    Legalisation of marijuana means the transfer of massive unlisted wealth from the chicom syndicates and the Mexican syndicates and the general mafia to the regulators and the excise collector and their shorten looting cartel maaaates.

    I reckon you can pencil it in for their shorten first looting term.

  19. John Constantine

    The listed north American medical marijuana sector is capitalised at low hundreds of billions, heading to a trillion as the regulators give it more space.

    There is significant research into the benefits, and the application devices are a long advance on bucket bongs.

  20. John Constantine

    Everything you learned about marijuana in university is wrong.

  21. Anthony

    A few counterpoints:

    Smoking cannabis proably eventually causes emphasema, but it can be ingested with fatty compounds or possibly in capsule form. In that respect it is different to tobacco.

    Different cannabis varieties have different ratios of THC and CBD. So, not all weed gets you high. Those compounds and others will probably be isolated and put into pills, but you need to farm the plants to generate those compounds at the moment.

    Lastly, there is evidence that (properley used) medical cannabis is palliative for chronic pain, slows neurodegeneration in Alzheimers and can cause complete remission for large numbers of Crohn’s disease patients.

    Is it also probably a Trojan horse for complete decriminalization? Yeah. Can it cure cancer in actual patients? Probably not.

  22. areff

    The lethal dose of cannabis is approximately the consumption of one and a half tons to be consumed in twenty minutes. Go!

    Jamaica, lovely spot.

  23. LBLoveday

    Quote: “There is solid epidemiological data from multiple studies back to the 50’s demonstrating that nicotine reduces the incidence of death due to Parkinson’s disease”.
    And solid empirical evidence from my times in bars and football clubs before smoking was banned of the calming effects of smoking in offsetting the aggression brought on in some by alcohol. I suspect that the recent increase in violence in and near pubs is related to drinkers no longer being able to smoke.
    Then there is THE genius Einstein who was not only a very heavy smoker but who attributed much of his great success to smoking, saying “I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs”

  24. Rafe Champion

    Ironic commentary on legalisation in California. There is a massive new industry of pot cultivation indoors which makes a surprisingly large contribution to the demand for electricity. Ref Darwall Green Tyranny.

  25. cynical1

    demonstrating that nicotine reduces the incidence of death due to Parkinson’s disease”.

    Cos the averages are skewed by smokers dying before the Parkinson’s kicks in.

  26. Chris M

    “I support the decriminalisation of cannabis; indeed it should be taxed like tobacco.”

    Lucy’s world:

  27. EvilElvis

    FMD. Libertarian blog dealing with the big issue of government controlled substances.

    It’s certainly weeded out the dope smokers here though.

  28. rtp

    There has never been a randomised double blind placebo controlled trial proving the safety or efficacy of any vaccine either but most of the “libertarians” here are convinced that doctors and governments would never ever lie about these glorious concoctions and many here even support forcing them upon people.

    By the way, marijuana improves appetite so people who have illnesses for which cachexia is a likely source of death (eg lung cancer) then it is a good thing to have. But I agree that it only masks symptoms it doesn’t fix anything.

  29. John Constantine

    QBL queensland bauxite in a trading halt this morning pending an announcement on their medical marijuana division.

    Had a few since an old raising, the bauxite and iron ore leases would see them at a few million market cap, the marijuana story sees them pushing a hundy mill cap.

    Might as well capitalise the marijuana story over the legal economy instead of the unlisted mafia economy.

  30. Jannie

    If you eat three cigarettes you will probably die a painful death. Eating the equivalent weight of powerful Dutch hydro will give you the munchies and a dreamy sleep.

    Its groundhog day.

  31. Dr Fred Lenin

    I am surprised that the polliemuppets and their PS masters havent legalised drugs ,the potential for lots of revenue from taxing is enormous ,they could tax the grower/producer ,the mafia wholesale people ,then the retailers , instead of law enforcement stamping the trade out ,they sould be pursuing those evading tax in the industry . They could fudge unemployment figures with the “iobs”,”created” by the polliemuppets actions . They could use the tax created to import more islamofascists and African gangsters on welfare ‘,thus ensuring them to vote for them,and ensuring their “careers” till they had stolen and accumulated enough money to retire on a huge pension “to spend more time with their families “ |.\

  32. Tel

    If you eat three cigarettes you will probably die a painful death.

    Try chewing your food! Safer than a high viz jacket.

    I tried snus for a while and never had problems with painful death or anything like that (but I didn’t inhale).

  33. stackja

    Green Grass like?
    Opium of the people
    From Wikipedia

    The quotation, in context, reads as follows (emphasis added):

    The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

    Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

    The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

  34. Anthony

    There has never been a randomised double blind placebo controlled trial proving the safety or efficacy of any vaccine either

    Try Googling ‘double blind placebo vaccine’ in Google Scholar you will find plenty.

    In a Western country it is much safer to get a Hepatitis vaccine than to suffer ongoing liver damage from that virus. Or babies dying from Whooping Cough or teenagers from meningococcal. In Ebola endemic Africa, what is ‘safer’ the vaccine with unknown long term consequences, or a 50% chance of dying horribly from said virus?

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