Open Forum: May 5, 2018

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  1. Snoopy

    Comey’s far from smart. Shitbagging Lisa Page on national television was probably not clever.

  2. Confused Old Misfit

    Well done Tom!
    I’ll pay that!

  3. Some History

    The incident occurred at the end of a joint press conference on Wednesday when Macron turned to Turnbull and said: “Thank you and your delicious wife [burp] for the warm welcome”.

    Just a thought. Was it really a faux pas? In the realm of possibility could it be that Macaroni… and Trumble… are closet/cabinet cannibals? Has anyone seen Lucy Trumble in the last few days?

    And how do you explain this –

    How To Serve Your Fellow Man by Cannibal Cuisine (Foreword by Emmanuel Macaroni)

    “Delicious”
    https://imgur.com/9rVDC6x

  4. Leigh Lowe

    Judge T S Ellis III has just clipped Mueller’s wings.

    Let ME see the unredacted special prosecutor brief and “I’ll be the judge” of what Mueller’s scope is.

    What is telling is that Trump has announced today that he is not going to voluntarily conduct a verbal interview with Mueller, which means the “perjury trap” is on life support.
    Sure, Mueller can issue a subpoena which Trump’s lawyers will succeed in being able to respond to with written replies.
    There are a number of key issues …
    (1) Mueller will have to limit his questions to (a) contacts with Wussia and (b) during the period of the campaign … not someone’s tax return in 2007 or meetings between officials post 7th November 2016.
    (2) any “off reservation” questions will be met with “the President respectfully requests the Counsel to elaborate on the relevance of this matter to the investigation of Wussian interference in the 2016 campaign“. This includes decades old business dealings of peripheral campaign staff and payments to strippers.
    (3) questions about firings will be met with “the President affirms his constitutional right to engage and terminate members of the executive and White House staff”.
    Mueller will limp along, but his hopes of secondary perjury traps on minor issues is fucked.

  5. nemkat

    Have you spent a lot of time in the front bar dunny of the Katherine Pub too, Confused Old Misfit?

  6. Rae

    Sniff. Boo hoo. Poor Tat Fony. Totally lost his marbles since he was rude to me and I sat him on his arse for it. Even playing with his own faeces now.

    Hey, JC. Can you give Tat Fony your Hotline number?

    [Tat Fony, are you by any chance, hoppers?]

  7. Chris

    Doomlord’s troll swamp smells worse than the front bar dunny at the Katherine pub.

    I resemble that remark.
    My seconds will call in the morning.
    Choose your weapons; wit, sarcasm, hyperbowl…

  8. Confused Old Misfit

    As little as possible, numbcat; which is ceratianly more time than you spend in rational thought.

  9. nemkat

    Choose your weapons; wit, sarcasm, hyperbowl…

    You are choosing to remain unarmed, Chris?

  10. Confused Old Misfit

    Leigh Lowe
    #2703057, posted on May 5, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    I’m wondering if that was a good career move for Judge Ellis. The gentleman certainly (see! I can spell it correctly!) has balls for so forthrightly challenging what the progressives (and our resident Trolls) consider to be their main chance.

  11. Myrddin Seren

    Comey’s far from smart. Shitbagging Lisa Page on national television was probably not clever.

    Lisa Page and a colleague illegally leaked the existence of a DoJ investigation in to the Clinton Crime Family at the orders of Andy McCabe.

    In the subsequent investigation, McCabe repeatedly denied this.

    So the Inspector General probably told Lisa Page that she was taking the fall for the leak.

    Of the original huge batch of Page-Strzok texts that were released, they all came from a device she used.

    She has turned.

    Baker – probably not so much.

    When the OIG releases his report to Congress, the recommendations will tell more.

  12. Aldrydd

    Don’t often sign those petitions, but I did sign this one Gab 🙂

    What were Lifeline thinking?

  13. Dr Fred Lenin

    I can’t understand why Trump doesn’t strike back at the communists, hilarity is gone if she is charged , mueller is a lawyer and former FBI head so therefore a crook the DNC is riddled with crooks, obama as an activite and associate of known crims is vulnerable . The FBI and DOJ are full of crooks ,no shortage of criminals to prosecute and screw the swamp . Go for it Donald put the fear of death into the bastards , that will Make America Greater.

  14. Confused Old Misfit

    Greens Believe they have a “Moral License” to Pollute

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/04/study-greens-believe-they-have-a-moral-license-to-pollute/
    Don’t know whether our resident Trolls are green or not but the rest of that statement clearly applies! 😉

  15. Zatara

    If Trump is Impeached, he can’t run in 2020

    Wrong.

    Only two thing could bar Trump from running again if impeached.

    – Term limitations – not a factor in his case.

    – If the Senate specifically includes barring from further federal office in his impeachment. Highly unlikely. Of the 60 impeachments initiated in the US only 3 led to disbarment from holding federal office and that would have to gain 2/3 of the votes as well.

  16. Tom

    So the Inspector General probably told Lisa Page that she was taking the fall for the leak.

    Agree, Myrddin. I expect there’ll be a flurry of other resignations in the days before the IG’s report is released later this month.

  17. struth

    Comey is the left personified, right now.

    He doesn’t understand the world he is now in, is shitting himself, confused, and yet, can’t do anything but play the same old moves that have worked for them for twenty or so years.
    And yet they are not working……………………………………………
    Trump made this left wing rabbit jump out of his hole, and he is blinded by the lights.
    The other left wing rabbits won’t care for a second.
    Theirs is not the culture to care for the individual.

    I’m enjoying it.

    Now, after they’ve gone to the great lengths to get Trump, and shown us just what they will do to achieve it, once they have shot themselves in the foot, and lost, Trump will require them to apply the same diligence on Hillary, Huma, and all her mates.
    It is as disgust this morning.
    If you just fight them, you will win every time.
    We always have.
    Always.
    Every time we have fought.

    Just standing your ground is enough to win.
    This little bit of carry on is proof again.
    But after standing your ground, there should always be a retaliatory offensive.

    Just imagine an investigation going this hard on the Clinton criminals.
    FMD.
    It’s not an impossible scenario any more.
    And they would have brought it on all by themselves.

  18. Rae

    I’m wondering if that was a good career move for Judge Ellis.

    At 77 years old, Judge TS Ellis III probably doesn’t have many career moves to make.

  19. struth

    discussed……………………………….FERKMD

  20. struth

    Mrs Struth just asked me if I wanted a Fish Taco for lunch!!

  21. herodotus

    The USA made a career move in electing Trump, but prior to that they seems to have just one move in the repertoire, and that was hopey-changey-speedy down the tubes.
    Whether it was Hillary or Obama, that was the course they were on, and it remains to be seen if it can be rescued.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    So the Inspector General probably told Lisa Page that she was taking the fall for the leak.

    Shock and awe about to hit Strzok and Ohr?

  23. egg_

    tomato sauce) on a hot dog

    Mandatory to complement the bitterness of the red rind/skin – just like ‘little boys’ and party pies/sausage rolls – finger food for a ‘digital native’.

  24. egg_

    Remember, Trump puts tomato sauce on steak.

    Probably to combat lentil burgers in the lift face off?

  25. C.L.

    Breaking: Mueller humiliated again …
    Politico: Mueller seeks delay in case alleging Russians interfered in U.S. presidential election.

    Prosecutors from special counsel Robert Mueller’s office are seeking to delay the first court hearing in a criminal case charging three Russian companies and 13 Russian citizens with using social media and other means to foment strife among Americans in advance of the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    The 13 people charged in the high-profile indictment in February are considered unlikely to ever appear in a U.S. court. The three businesses accused of facilitating the alleged Russian troll farm operation — the Internet Research Agency, Concord Management and Consulting, and Concord Catering — were also expected to simply ignore the American criminal proceedings.

    But guess what? They ROCKED UP.
    Bob forgot about discovery rights.

    Last month, however, a pair of Washington-area lawyers suddenly surfaced in the case, notifying the court that they represent Concord Management. POLITICO reported at the time that the move appeared to be a bid to force Mueller’s team to turn over relevant evidence to the Russian firm and perhaps even to bait prosecutors into an embarrassing dismissal in order to avoid disclosing sensitive information.

    On Friday, Mueller’s prosecutors disclosed that Concord’s attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, had made a slew of discovery requests demanding nonpublic details about the case and the investigation. Prosecutors also asked a judge to postpone the formal arraignment of Concord Management set for next week.

    This proves that Mueller’s indictments of these people were utterly phony, designed to take heat off himself. And now it has blown up in his face. He really is unbelievably dumb.

  26. egg_

    The Chinese bank branch staffed entirely by robots

    Our resident digital native will be onto it quicker than a qwerty onto a buoy.

  27. C.L.

    So then: Mueller must turn over all relevant evidence to the Russians in that case and he has two weeks to turn over his supposedly classified prosecutorial brief to Judge Ellis in the Manafort case.

    Meanwhile: Mueller requests Flynn’s sentencing be delayed at least two more months.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, hey Bob?

  28. egg_

    A new study suggests that most greens believe that by virtue of their support for environmental issues they earn the right to ignore their personal responsibilities.

    Per The Pardoner’s Tale from Chaucer, virtue signalling through their sin tax.

  29. nemkat

    Zatara
    #2703071, posted on May 5, 2018 at 1:29 pm
    If Trump is Impeached, he can’t run in 2020

    Wrong.

    Only two thing could bar Trump from running again if impeached.
    Plenty of things could stop Trump from running in 2020 if he is Impeached.
    Among others, he won’t be nominated. That doesn’t preclude a Third Party run to cruel the Republican Candidate, a la TR in 1912, but he’d have no chance of winning.

    On the odd chance that Impeachment by the House was followed by Conviction in the Senate, he would be removed from Office.
    See Andrew Johnson, Impeached in 1868 for similar behaviour to Trump’s.

  30. JC

    But I thought Mueller had assembled the crackiest crack team of lawyer stars ever seen in DC?
    Monst, WTF is going here?

  31. cohenite

    C.L.

    #2703090, posted on May 5, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    So then: Mueller must turn over all relevant evidence to the Russians in that case and he has two weeks to turn over his supposedly classified prosecutorial brief to Judge Ellis in the Manafort case.

    Meanwhile: Mueller requests Flynn’s sentencing be delayed at least two more months.

    Hilarious. And Mueller and Rosenstein and the rest of the grubs are the best they’ve got.

  32. Zatara

    Let me help clear something up for you. You said:

    If Trump is Impeached, he can’t run in 2020

    You were wrong.

    See Andrew Johnson, Impeached in 1868 for similar behaviour to Trump’s.

    Wrong again.

    Andrew Johnson was acquitted, not impeached. He then missed nomination for re-election by 4 votes.

  33. Entropy

    You learn some real esoteric stuff in the Cat, even about foreign countries.

  34. Snoopy

    What were Lifeline thinking?

    The explanation:

    David Burge
    @iowahawkblog
    1. Identify a respected institution.
    2. kill it.
    3. gut it.
    4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
    #lefties

  35. Nick

    Let’s go to the tape …

    Even better was the justification for drinking such slop was the Wentworth Hotel sold a $13 for $60, somehow making it better. Hahahahaahahahhhaahahahaha

  36. C.L.

    Time magazine (via Ace) has a feature story on convictions being massively down in jury trials involving FBI-made cases throughout America.

  37. nemkat

    Zatara”
    Andrew Johnson was acquitted, not impeached. He then missed nomination for re-election by 4 votes.
    Wrong.
    Johnson was impeached by the House in 1868, and avoided Conviction in the Senate by 4 votes.
    He remains an Impeached President, the first to that date.
    He was slaughtered in his attempt for the Republican Nomination that year by Ulysses S. Grant, by most accounts the rottenest President until Nixon.

  38. JC

    Get a load of lawyer’s background representing D-cup Daniels.

    Michael Avenatti, Stormy’s lawyer is very interesting, while in college and law school, Avenatti worked at political opposition and media firm “The Research Group”, run by Rahm Emanuel, yes that Rahm. He’s worked on many campaigns including Joe Biden’s U.S. Senate campaign
    63 replies 820 retweets 1,038 likes

    There’s also a connection to… you guessed it… Fusion GPS.

    https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/992241369023365120

  39. Mark from Melbourne

    Agree, Myrddin. I expect there’ll be a flurry of other resignations in the days before the IG’s report is released later this month.

    Did I not read that the release date is May 8th?

    Which may go a long way to explaining the timing…

  40. Snoopy

    The Malaysian Dwarf will be all over Mueller’s embarrassing legal setbacks tonight. Don’t you worry about that.

  41. Myrddin Seren

    Did I not read that the release date is May 8th?

    I think it might have been pushed back. Strangely, IG Horowitz and Federal Prosecutor Huber keeping finding further matters for their staffs to investigate.

  42. Zatara

    Johnson was impeached by the House in 1868, and avoided Conviction in the Senate

    Wrong. The history page of the US House specifically says he was acquitted.

    Getting halfway impeached is like getting halfway pregnant. He completed his term and was eligible for re-election.

    From your link:

    Johnson sought nomination by the 1868 Democratic National Convention in New York in July 1868. He remained very popular among Southern whites, and boosted that popularity by issuing, just before the convention, a pardon ending the possibility of criminal proceedings against any Confederate not already indicted, meaning that only Davis and a few others still might face trial. On the first ballot, Johnson was second to former Ohio representative George H. Pendleton, who had been his Democratic opponent for vice president in 1864. Johnson’s support was mostly from the South, and fell away as the ballots passed. On the 22nd ballot, former New York governor Horatio Seymour was nominated, and the President received only four votes, all from Tennessee.

    He was a Democratic scumbag if that makes you feel better.

  43. JC

    Who’s the Malaysian Dwarf?

  44. Jo Smyth

    The latest tactic by the Democrats is to shut down influential Trump supporters by taking them to the cleaners financially by throwing spurious allegations which have to be defended at huge cost. Look at Michael Flynn. All the millions of Trump supporters have to do, is contribute $5 to a legal fund the accused could use and surely the problem is solved and the Dems would have to come up with a new attack mode. I’m sure if such a fund was set up, the Trump supporters would contribute in a heartbeat.

  45. Aldrydd;

    What were Lifeline thinking?

    You may like to remember that Lifeline, The Red Cross, and The Salvation Army were all infiltrated and subverted by the Left.
    They now see their mission as being a holding point for fellow leftists who become unemployed, until Labor gets back in and they can be placed back on the Public Tit.

  46. Zatara

    He was slaughtered in his attempt for the Republican Nomination that year by Ulysses S. Grant, by most accounts the rottenest President until Nixon.

    Just to be clear, he lost the Democrat nomination, not the Republican one.

    Being a Democrat and all.

  47. JC

    Is there any possibility Trump didn’t bonk Daniels? It would have to be very remote otherwise the payment wouldn’t have been made, I guess. But there are other women who came forward and said Trump bonked them and he didn’t pay these tarts off for silence, why pay her?

    In a cold rational way, it would have been better not to have paid her off and then denied the whole thing. Sure, Harry Hindsight is a good friend, but this wouldn’t be too difficult to figure out.

  48. egg_

    Petition to remove Clammy Ford as LifeLine’s man-hating speaker.

    https://www.change.org/p/lifeline-australia-remove-clementine-ford-as-a-speaker-for-lifeline

    11,743 have signed. Let’s get to 15,000!

  49. Tel

    Saturday afternoon and I’m enjoying some Kingdom Lane Prosecco NV (made in Australia). Not quite as good as the Dom Pérignon NV (made in France) but if you turn the fridge down to the coldest setting and serve with some cheese, no one would notice the difference.

    This has been a little bit of economics advice in good buying and good living, brought to you by NV.

  50. Snoopy

    Remember Monty crowing how associates of Trump were turning and spilling their guts to Mueller?

    He was almost right. There is turning and spilling of guts. Unfortunately for Monty they’re all DNC/DOJ/FBI conspirators desperately ratting on everyone else.

  51. Confused Old Misfit

    I’m more offendedest by “rottenest” :0

  52. nemkat

    Zatara:
    Johnson was impeached by the House in 1868, and avoided Conviction in the Senate

    Wrong. The history page…
    Wrong again. Johnson was Impeached by the House and avoided Conviction in the Senate by 1 vote, 35 to 18.
    He remains the first president to be Impeached.
    The Johnson Impeachment wasn’t nullified by his narrow escape in the Senate.

  53. Zatara

    Here’s a example of how weird impeachment can be in the US.

    In 1988 federal Judge Alcee Hastings was impeached for perjury and conspiracy to solicit a bribe. He was booted from office but not barred from holding further office.

    In 1992 he ran for and was elected to Congress. A Democrat of course.

  54. Myrddin Seren

    JC

    Who’s the Malaysian Dwarf?

    Lee Lin Chin

    To be fair – who doesn’t love weekend Lee Lin Bingo – in which we try and guess what fictional character she will be dressed up as this week.

    Conversely, I find this smirking leftist xunt ( the one on the left, not not smirking leftist on the right ) to be unwatchable.

  55. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Malaysian Dwarf is the fashion horse, who does the Socialist Broadcasting System’s news on weekends.

  56. nemkat

    In a cold rational way, it would have been better not to have paid her off and then denied the whole thing. Sure, Harry Hindsight is a good friend, but this wouldn’t be too difficult to figure out.

    Penguin:
    If he hadn’t paid her off, she would’ve had no reason not to tell her story.
    And what a story it must be.
    It’s hard to find examples among past Prexies, because most of them have been part time or out & out Poofs.
    Let’s look at Bill Clinton. All his female accusers were women no one had ever heard of, so it was like their their stories weren’t real..

    Not so with Stormy Daniels, she is a well known as a 100% whore with a talent for self promotion.

  57. egg_

    Topic on 9 Honey recently – Should there be child-free airline flights?

    You betcha – so that middle-aged blokes travelling solo don’t get stuck near Tracy Hairbrush-Spicer’s kids!

  58. Mark A

    egg_
    #2703114, posted on May 5, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Petition to remove Clammy Ford as LifeLine’s man-hating speaker.

    I signed too, but I’m disappointed with the badgering to sign other petitions.

  59. Zatara

    Johnson was Impeached by the House and avoided Conviction in the Senate by 1 vote, 35 to 18.

    I refer you to the answer I gave some moments ago – Official History of the US Congress Impeachment List*.

    Think of it this way, the House is the Grand Jury, the Senate is the Court. The Grand Jury can determine that you are the most dastardly fellow on Earth and must be charged but if they can’t prove it in Court you are acquitted.

    * You will note that Bill Clinton is also properly annotated there as being acquitted, because he was.

  60. Pedro the Ignorant

    When airlines had smoking sections I always booked a seat in there, even as a non-smoker so I could dodge screaming children.

    Utter misery is being stuck on a long haul flight with someone else’s children.

  61. struth

    Is there any possibility Trump didn’t bonk Daniels? It would have to be very remote otherwise the payment wouldn’t have been made, I guess. But there are other women who came forward and said Trump bonked them and he didn’t pay these tarts off for silence, why pay her?

    Because he didn’t bonk the other ones in all likelihood.
    The ones he did bonk are probably paid off and quiet, except this one tart.

  62. struth

    I’d pay more to go on an infant free flight.

  63. nemkat

    Think of it this way, the House is the Grand Jury, the Senate is the Court. The Grand Jury can determine that you are the most dastardly fellow on Earth and must be charged but if they can’t prove it in Court you are acquitted.

    Rubbish.. Johnson was Impeached, and he remains Impeached.

    He avoided Conviction in the Senate by 1 vote, 35 to 19 in favour of Conviction.
    As sitting President, he could draw only 4 votes in his attempted Candidature for the 1868 Presidential Election.

  64. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Has there ever been a finer invention than the internal combustion engine?
    Of course:
    The Thermomix
    The home meat slicer;
    Now go hang your head in shame.

    I have just sliced off (a piece of flesh removed, not just a cut) a sliver of the top of my right index finger while using those sharp new Jap knives Hairy bought me recently. Even these are too high tech for me. Bled copiously into some eggplant which proved to be highly absorbent. Ditched those bits.

    I am not cut out (haw haw) to be a cook.

  65. Incredible findings by Fr Sullin.

    Indeed, given your qualification. Further, what insenses me are the lengths the academics and their coteries go to in order to suppress the truth and hamstring its proponents, for instance, the attacks against Mark Regnerus.

  66. Is anyone really surprised the Mueller investigation is not only tanking, but looks to be rebounding on the investigators themselves? When monty is your dearest fan, you’ve rolled snake eyes.

  67. egg_

    I’d pay more to go on an infant free flight.

    Maybe the Qaintarse fag will make ‘breeders’ pay more?
    Shove that, Spicer!

  68. Makka

    Have you spent a lot of time in the front bar dunny of the Katherine Pub too,

    Grigs’ dunny lurking fetish is on the loose again.

  69. Makka

    Even playing with his own faeces now.

    ….and the poo fetish too.

  70. Chris

    I’d pay more to go on an infant free flight.

    Howard Leight is your friend.
    Whenever a colleague has a new baby, I give him present of earplugs. I tell them you can still hear the little one crying, but it doesn’t get to reach inside and twist you like nonstop crying and lack of sleep can do.

  71. OneWorldGovernment

    Winston Smith
    #2702895, posted on May 5, 2018 at 10:11 am

    OWG;

    The Japanese themselves estimated that, if World War Two had extended into 1946, somewhere between five and ten million Japanese civilians would have died from starvation or disease. That’s not counting military casualties.

    Yet a certain young lady who almost joined my family finds it deeply unpalatable that her family, Japanese Catholic Christians, were largely obliterated by the second bomb. Nagasaki had been Japan’s major centre of Christianity and the West blew the fuck out of them.
    The decision was right on balance in my opinion, but its still personal.

    Just to question a point here – by the same rationalising, should we never have bombed Berlin?
    (Yes, we should have blown the shit out of it, but putting in faith as a targeting priority is a distractor.)

    Winston Smith

    No WS, I believe in overwhelming force to defeat your enemy in the fastest time possible because as has been shown a major positive is that it saves lives in the end.

    And in a war situation civilians supporting their armed forces are a legitimate target.

    The bombing of Dresden and Berlin, the bombing in Vietnam would I do it. In a heartbeat.

    As far as I know in WWII Allied bombers endeavored as best they could to avoid bombing cultural iconic sites which included religious buildings.

    I also believe that in Iraq and Afghanistan the first thing we should have done was taken out every single mosque on a Friday.

    But I can still feel a regret for all those Christians killed in Nagasaki and in Europe generally.

    And when you look at the slaughter of Christians in muslim countries today then I am all for Crusades.

  72. Tropical

    Is there any possibility Trump didn’t bonk Daniels? It would have to be very remote otherwise the payment wouldn’t have been made, I guess.

    Two to three weeks before the election Daniels manager tried to sell her story to magazines, TV, websites newspapers etc. Her asking price was $US200,000. There were no takers because Clinton was expected to win and her alleged affair would be null and void.
    Trumps lawyer then negotiated the $US130k NDA payment. Probably as insurance in case Trump one.
    I believe The Daily Mail (US) broke the story but the MSM totally ignored it.

  73. Boambee John

    Confused Old Misfit
    #2703066, posted on May 5, 2018 at 1:25 pm
    Leigh Lowe
    #2703057, posted on May 5, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    I’m wondering if that was a good career move for Judge Ellis. The gentleman certainly (see! I can spell it correctly!) has balls for so forthrightly challenging what the progressives (and our resident Trolls) consider to be their main chance.

    Job application to replace RBG on the Supreme Court?

  74. As far as I know in WWII Allied bombers endeavored as best they could to avoid bombing cultural iconic sites which included religious buildings.

    Not in Japan they didn’t. If you ever get to visit you will see outside all those ancient buildings and shrines a plaque “rebuilt after WW2” as the original were destroyed.

    The only reason Kyoto never got bombed was it had no strategic significance

  75. rickw

    I also believe that in Iraq and Afghanistan the first thing we should have done was taken out every single mosque on a Friday.

    The most obvious and sensible thing that wasn’t done.

    Lead up should have been a campaign of mis-information saying that it would never be done.

    If we wanted to win, and indeed have these countries prosper in the future, then the means was clearly radical cultural improvement, ending islams grip.

  76. rickw

    Not in Japan they didn’t. If you ever get to visit you will see outside all those ancient buildings and shrines a plaque “rebuilt after WW2” as the original were destroyed.

    The only reason Kyoto never got bombed was it had no strategic significance

    A little hard to avoid destruction of everything when you’re doing incendiary raids on largely timber cities.

  77. feelthebern

    Spent a lot of time in the front bar dunny of the Katherine Pub have you, Tom?

    Baldrick, can I get a Grig check in aisle 3?
    I think that comment was made a year ago about Tom by a shark loving chap.
    It just popped up before the page turn.

  78. Makka

    Not in Japan they didn’t. If you ever get to visit you will see outside all those ancient buildings and shrines a plaque “rebuilt after WW2” as the original were destroyed.

    So many were built from wood though. Once fires got going the conflagration took over everything regardless of the targeting.

  79. stackja

    Japan started the war. USA finished it. Emperor lucky to survive.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Top of my finger has stopped bleeding at last and is now covered with a shiny red patina. Any sort of contact or pressure makes it break out again. I am five finger typing with my left hand and middle finger typing with my right hand. Feels weirdly schizoid. Hairy worried that I will not heal much before we are in flight. Also, I will have to do my packing one-handed. Take less, buy more, is sounding good.

  81. stackja

    LeMay saw to necessary bombing.

  82. Rae

    Nick

    #2703100, posted on May 5, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    Let’s go to the tape …

    Even better was the justification for drinking such slop was the Wentworth Hotel sold a $13 for $60, somehow making it better. Hahahahaahahahhhaahahahaha

    Sure. Let’s go to the tape:

    Rae #2681692, posted on April 8, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    Let me to try to keep you Digital Retards up to speed.

    We didn’t pay $68 for the bottle of Veuve Tailhan Blanc de Blancs Brut, or $60 (thanks Stimp the Gimp). We got it for free (gratis, on the house) because it is the Wentworths 50th Anniversary.

    And, if you backtrack on that Open Forum you will see all the wasted pixels as the usual Digital Retards tried so hard to find Veuve Tailhan Blanc de Blancs Brut, and even called it NV. And champagne.

    Hahahahaahahahhhaahahahaha

  83. RobK

    The only reason Kyoto never got bombed was it had no strategic significance
    Im going on memory here; as i understand it, a key consideration for a bomb site was a large area of lightweight combutable infrstructure for maximum effect of shock and awe to end the war. Weather conditions also had a final say.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The only reason Kyoto never got bombed was it had no strategic significance</blockquote

    Same as Nara which also escaped. Nara has the largest wooden temple in the world and some other treasures.

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Rght hand blockquote fail; you all know why. 🙂

  86. RobK

    Arh,…..combustable infrastructure. Sorry.

  87. OWG;
    No WS, I believe in overwhelming force to defeat your enemy in the fastest time possible because as has been shown a major positive is that it saves lives in the end. ✅
    And in a war situation civilians supporting their armed forces are a legitimate target. ✅
    The bombing of Dresden and Berlin, the bombing in Vietnam would I do it. In a heartbeat. ✅
    As far as I know in WWII Allied bombers endeavored as best they could to avoid bombing cultural iconic sites which included religious buildings. ✅
    I also believe that in Iraq and Afghanistan the first thing we should have done was taken out every single mosque on a Friday. ✅
    But I can still feel a regret for all those Christians killed in Nagasaki and in Europe generally. Of course. But you are talking about feeling a regret. I’m talking about it being a factor in targeting priority.
    And when you look at the slaughter of Christians in muslim countries today then I am all for Crusades. ✅

  88. Makka

    The only reason Kyoto never got bombed was it had no strategic significance

    The final 12 months of the War against Japan were terrible for the Japanese. No doubt.

    Let’s however remember that it was preceded by a decade plus of horror, destruction, murder,rape and violent slaughter of millions of innocents throughout Asia and the Pacific at the hands of Imperial Japan. By the time Japan was being bombed nobody was concerned with the suffering of the Japanese. They wanted Japan defeated by any means available. That’s the sad truth of it.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Smell of faint burning reaching me; must check the oven. Best laid plans gang awry, as the Scots say.

  90. John Constantine

    Stalin’s gains from the Imperial Japanese empire.

    Outer Mongolia had been Chinese sphere of influence for centuries, but Russia got to move in the early 1900’s.

    Stalin purged five percent of the Mongolian population in a decimation of men that opposed him. Part of the reward for attacking Japan at the last gasp of ww2 was China giving up Mongolia to Stalin’s grasping territorial megalomania.

    “Stalin’s objective was massive territorial gain, and he was prepared to pay heavily for it. For the Manchurian invasion, the Soviets made medical provisions for 540,000 casualties, including 160,000 dead (a forecast predicated on an assessment of Japan’s paper strength). Stalin had for years maintained 40 divisions on the Manchurian border, and in the spring of 1945 he doubled his forces there. Between May and June, some 3,000 locomotives labored tirelessly along the Trans-Siberian rail link, transferring an additional 40 Soviet divisions on a month-long journey eastward to the Mongolian and Manchurian borders.”

    ” In 1928, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and comintern ordered the building of socialism, including collectivization of Mongolian agriculture. This led to the destruction of religion, breakdown in economy and transportation, which resulted in uprisings in the West and the South that could only be suppressed with the help of the Soviet Union.[8][9] In 1934, Peljidiin Genden visited Moscow and angrily accused Stalin of “Red imperialism”. He subsequently died in the Great Purge after being tricked into taking a holiday on the Black Sea. After 1932, the implementation of a command economy was scaled back. In 1936, Stalin then ordered the liquidation of the country’s Buddhist institutions. Meanwhile, Japanese incursions in Manchuria were a casus belli for Moscow to station troops in Mongolia. At the same time, the Great Purge spilled into Mongolia. Among those killed included Genden, Anandyn Amar, Demid, and Losol. After the removal of Genden from power, Marshal Khorloogiin Choibalsan, a follower of Stalin, took over. The purges led to the almost complete eradication of Tibetan Buddhism in the country, and cost an estimated 30,000–35,000 lives,[10] equivalent to about five percent of Mongolia’s population.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_People%27s_Republic

  91. rickw

    Nagasaki:

    The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest seaports in southern Japan, and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The four largest companies in the city were Mitsubishi Shipyards, Electrical Shipyards, Arms Plant, and Steel and Arms Works, which employed about 90% of the city’s labor force, and accounted for 90% of the city’s industry.[185] Although an important industrial city, Nagasaki had been spared from firebombing because its geography made it difficult to locate at night with AN/APQ-13 radar.[119]

  92. Rae

    Is there any possibility Trump didn’t bonk Daniels?

    Sure. It’s possible that Stormy bonked him instead. But, no matter, they definitely did bonk as a twosome. Else why did Cohen bribe Stormy to keep quiet about it? And why recoup the bribe payment from the Pussy Grabber in Chief, thereby making it a campaign contribution that had to be declared?

    Btw, bribery is an impeachable offence.

  93. John Constantine

    http://allthatsinteresting.com/vintage-mongolia

    A small country in the scheme of things, but grasped by totalitarianism and methodically and fundamentally and eternally transformed by Stalinism, one of the prices of Russia going to war with Japan.

  94. Rae

    Even playing with his own faeces now.

    ….and the poo fetish too.

    Yes indeed. Good that you noticed it too. I did say that Fony Tat has lost his marbles.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Within a whisker of complete disaster. About 30% of it around the edges and a bit on top is burned.
    there will be no leftovers now though.

    FFS, use da timer, says Hairy coming to assist as I yelp around more or less one-handed removing the heavy iron casserole. It was my finger, I say by way of explanation, but he merely points out that I often forget to set the timer, or I move out of earshot, and fingers have nothin’ ta do wit’ dat.

    All too true.

  96. Baldrick

    Spent a lot of time in the front bar dunny of the Katherine Pub have you, Tom?

    ftb, a quick search reveals a place far more onerous than the front bar dunny of the Katherine Pub:

    Rae
    #2582956, posted on December 12, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    Ovation of the Seas has a pizza bar where you can specify whatever base and toppings you want. Free, gratis, already included in your booking cost.

  97. John Constantine

    If the bombs had dropped a few months earlier, would Japan now still own the vast natural gas reserves of Sakhalin Island?.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-14278362

    Stalin invading South Sakhalin only cost him a few meaningless lives, but paid off in vast gas reserves.

  98. nemkat

    Sounds like Trump played a game of Bluff with Stormy Daniels before the Election, and came second.
    Now, once Stormy tells her story, the story is worth nix, along with her future earning capacity.
    They both knew that, but Trump had way more to lose, and blinked first.

    She must have a good story to tell.
    ATM, all we know of the Mating Ritual of Trumpus Ridiculosus is that he orders Hot Dogs with Ketchup and chilled Fanta from Room Service, followed by watching the Gorilla Channel to get in the mood.
    The Tussle is routine Missionary Position of short duration, he flashes the Amex, and it’s crisis averted.

  99. Makka

    Yes indeed. Good that you noticed it too

    Couldn’t help but notice your creepy urges expressed here. There is help available for sick fks like you. JC may even be able to oblige.

  100. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    leftism is putrid slop for the very small souled bugman, but it’s all they got

  101. John Constantine

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-battled-japan-using-american-landing-ships%E2%80%94after-23768

    ” Stunned by the loss of China and the U.S. atomic bombings, Tokyo announced on August 15 that it was ready to surrender, and instructed Japanese troops to cease offensive military operations, and to only fire in self-defense. But the same day, the Soviet Second Far East Front received orders to invade the two northernmost Kuril Islands, Shumshu and Paramushiro. Stalin wanted to snatch them before American occupiers arrived.

    Unlike their Western allies, the Soviets lacked specialized boats for amphibious landings on defended beaches. But under Project Hula, the U.S. secretly transferred 149 ships to the Soviet Navy through Cold Bay, Alaska—and trained twelve thousand Soviet personnel how to operate them. This included thirty Landing Craft Infantry: forty-eight-meter-long shallow-draft vessels capable of depositing two hundred troops directly onto an unprepared beach.”

    Nothing to do with winning the war, Stalin just kept sending men to fight and die for his territorial hunger, even after the war was over.

  102. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Nagasaki:

    We ended up in a ‘love hotel’ in Nagasaki, about 150 metres from Ground Zero. Second one we have ever been to, and definitely the last. It was on a driving trip down to Miyazaki, where we didn’t book ahead, arrived late, and as in the previous nite just piled into anything with a ‘hotel’ sign up in English and with easy parking. We’ve both been to Japan more than several times and were getting a bit blasé.

    Hairy wants me to put ‘a plarster’ on dat finger now but I want it to get a crust up in the open air first.
    Who is correct?

  103. nemkat

    Sakhalin and the Kuriles had been part of the Russian Far East for Centuries, the Japs took it during the Russo Japanese War of 1905.
    40 years later, Russia took it back.
    Can’t see any problem there.

  104. feelthebern

    Harry Truman liked the idea of Soviet control.
    He wanted the same structure to happen in the US.
    This is why he slowed the US advance through Western Europe, backing Montgomery (another Soviet) over Patton.
    He couldn’t have the Soviets getting to Berlin with Patton already there.

  105. Makka

    Harry Truman liked the idea of Soviet control.

    Amazingly there was a lot of love for the Sovs after the war. The US Govt put out several detailed documentaries glorifying Stalin and the Red Army.

  106. Mark A

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2703171, posted on May 5, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    Friendly hint.
    Cooking is not magic.
    There are two possibilities to your problem, you have absolutely no interest in cooking, or you are hopelessly inept at it.

    If the first, give it away. No need to suffer. FGS cutting your finger by slicing vegetables, if done properly, is almost impossible.

    If the second, take a few lessons, believe me you will feel better for it.

    Swap some of your dance classes even.
    Bon appetite.

  107. Dr Fred Lenin

    My Father was a prisoner of war in Japan in a camp near Nagasaki , he witnessed the bomb from a distance . After the surrender ,shortly after the bombs ,he was liberated by the US troops ,being an officer he was asked to stay in Japan to assist in the War Crimes Trials and witnessed the well deserved hanging of several brutal criminals who had been guards . On the surrender the commandant of the camp he was in surrendered his sword to my Dad as he was senior officer I remember him saying he had to control an urge to use the sword on the brutal commandant, he was later tried and jailed for many years ,“ Dad was a witness at his trial .
    He always said the bombs were a salutary lesson to the Japanese leadership ,who realised their power and lives were in danger from their own people if the bombing continued Like all elitists they valued their hides ,the Americans however were no respecters of their traditional rights and duly punished them ,Dad said they left the Emperor alone after stripping his power ,he was a figurehead of the culture ,destroying the war criminals was one thing , but the Emperor is still held in some veneration two generations later . Conclusion ,the bombs saved millions of lives . Oh and Nagasaki was chosen because it had the longest history of Western contact .
    dad died of cancer aged fifty one more that likely brought on by the radiation exposure ,another Nagasaki victim .

  108. Rae

    But there are other women who came forward and said Trump bonked them and he didn’t pay these tarts off for silence

    Karen McDougal ring a bell? Long affair with lots of bonking. Lots. She wrote a story about it. A publisher, who happens to be Trumps good buddy, bought the story for $150,000 and made her sign a non-disclosure agreement, and then decided not to publish it. Hard to say if that was bribery, or a campaign contribution. Maybe Mueller will let us know in due course.

  109. JC

    Interesting story, Fred.

  110. Snoopy

    Thanks for your story, Dr Fred.

  111. John Constantine

    The war was over, but still Stalin ordered:

    “Soviet infantry resorted to suicidal assault tactics to disable the armored vehicles with antitank grenades—as attested by several posthumous medal citations. In two hours of furious fighting, twenty-one to twenty-seven tanks were destroyed. The rusting wrecks remain on Shumshu to this day,”

    The war was over, but surrendering Japanese were still sent to slave-labour camps in the Siberian gulags.

    “The Soviet Army and Navy combined lost more than eight hundred dead and over 1,400 wounded in the Battle of Shumshu, compared to 370 Japanese dead and seven hundred wounded. This made it the only battle in which the Soviets suffered heavier losses than the Japanese. The Kurils’ seventeen thousand Japanese civilian residents were deported, while captured Japanese troops were interned in Siberia and employed in forced labor camps. The last survivors returned in 1950.”

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-battled-japan-using-american-landing-ships%E2%80%94after-23768?page=2

    Japan insists that the southern Kuril Islands accorded to it by the 1855 treaty remain its sovereign territory, as the 1943 Cairo Declaration stated that Japan would only be “expelled from territories seized by violence or greed,” and Imperial Russia had agreed the islands were Japan’s prior to Tokyo’s expansionist campaigns.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Must have been messy living in slice and dice sword-fighting times with blood everywhere.
    Glad I didn’t.

  113. nemkat

    The Japs were brutal Colonists, evidenced in their occupations of Taiwan and Korea from 1910.
    The natives on Sakhalin were still better off with the Russians, whatever the Tsar had said 30 years earlier.

  114. egg_

    The Tussle is routine Missionary Position of short duration

    Sounds like the Kennedys, I believe?
    It’s all about the powerful guy’s satisfaction.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    Would a sociopath like GrigRae be comfortable having a sock as thick as Numkunt?

  116. John Constantine

    If the bombs had dropped a couple months earlier, would Korea have still been occupied by Stalin to the current border?.

    Would the entire Korean peninsula be lit at night?.

  117. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh and Nagasaki was chosen because it had the longest history of Western contact .
    dad died of cancer aged fifty one more that likely brought on by the radiation exposure ,another Nagasaki victim .

    Both interesting things to hear, Dr. Fred, and I am very sorry your father suffered this in the end.

  118. Tel

    The Japs were brutal Colonists, evidenced in their occupations of Taiwan and Korea from 1910.

    The Mongolians were brutal Colonists, evidenced by what they did to Russia in the 13th Century. A goodly fraction of the Tzar’s subjects were children of the Khans.

  119. squawkbox

    Must have been messy living in slice and dice sword-fighting times with blood everywhere.
    Glad I didn’t.

    Just a couple of simple rules you need to follow.
    1. Always cut with the knife edge facing away from your body parts, so any excess motion is directed into the air rather than into your kidneys
    2. A blunt knife is more dangerous to you than a sharp one. A sharp edge will go where you want it to go, a blunt one will bounce/slide into your kidneys.
    Admittedly, it took me several decades to learn these simple lessons.

  120. Rae

    Couldn’t help but notice

    Macca, you sick fuck. Next time Fony Tat mentions his faeces, I’ll leave it in your capable hands.

  121. Infidel Tiger

    The GrigRae is angry today.

    Maybe some low class supermarket wine at a heavy mark up will soothe its burn marks.

  122. John Constantine

    Fresh from the rape of Berlin, Stalins incentive of a free go at the women and girls after victory worked in China as well.

    “China[edit]

    On 9 August 1945, the Soviet Union declared a war on Japan and launched an invasion of the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (Manchuria). Upon occupation of this territory, the Soviets laid claim to valuable Japanese materials and industrial equipment in the region.[119] A foreigner witnessed Soviet troops, formerly stationed in Berlin, who were allowed by the Soviet military to go at the city “for three days of rape and pillage.” Most of Mukden was gone. Convict soldiers were then used to replace them; it was testified that they “stole everything in sight, broke up bathtubs and toilets with hammers, pulled electric-light wiring out of the plaster, built fires on the floor and either burned down the house or at least a big hole in the floor, and in general behaved completely like savages.”[120]

    According to some Western sources, the Soviets made it a policy to loot and rape civilians in Manchuria. The same Soviet troops from Germany had been sent to Manchuria and looted, killed and raped. In Harbin, the Chinese posted slogans such as “Down with Red Imperialism!” Soviet forces ignored protests by Chinese communist party leaders against their mass rape and loot policy.[121][122][123]”

  123. nemkat

    John Constantine at 4:42 pm
    If the bombs had dropped a couple months earlier, would Korea have still been occupied by Stalin to the current border?.
    Would the entire Korean peninsula be lit at night?.

    This will come as a shock to you, John, but the total number of fucks given by real conservatives about whether or not the lights are on in the Peninsula is around Zero Fucks Given.

  124. RobK

    Thanks for the story of your father Fred.
    I dug this bit from Wikipedia:
    The Target Committee nominated five targets: Kokura, the site of one of Japan’s largest munitions plants; Hiroshima, an embarkation port and industrial center that was the site of a major military headquarters; Yokohama, an urban center for aircraft manufacture, machine tools, docks, electrical equipment and oil refineries; Niigata, a port with industrial facilities including steel and aluminum plants and an oil refinery; and Kyoto, a major industrial center. The target selection was subject to the following criteria:

    The target was larger than 3 mi (4.8 km) in diameter and was an important target in a large city.The blast would create effective damage.The target was unlikely to be attacked by August 1945.[74]

    These cities were largely untouched during the nightly bombing raids and the Army Air Forces agreed to leave them off the target list so accurate assessment of the damage caused by the atomic bombs could be made. Hiroshima was described as “an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area. It is a good radar target and it is such a size that a large part of the city could be extensively damaged. There are adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focusing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage. Due to rivers it is not a good incendiary target.”[74]

    The Target Committee stated that “It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released. … Kyoto has the advantage of the people being more highly intelligent and hence better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon. Hiroshima has the advantage of being such a size and with possible focussing from nearby mountains that a large fraction of the city may be destroyed. The Emperor’s palace in Tokyo has a greater fame than any other target but is of least strategic value.”[74]

  125. Tom

    JC, You need to offer Doomlord’s pet trolls a group discount to use the Hotline’s green dream option. Draining the DC swamp is making them suicidal and their their families are dying of embarrassment. You’re a pioneer in customer service for the wrongology community. You have a moral obligation to do the right thing.

  126. rickw

    The natives on Sakhalin were still better off with the Russians, whatever the Tsar had said 30 years earlier.

    The Japs left a lot of high quality infrastructure, a lot of which is still standing, the Soviets left shit infrastructure and people concluding that the best way forward was to simply drink oneself to death.

  127. squawkbox

    The GrigRae is angry today.

    It’s the discussion of the Donald’s sex life that’s done it. He hates to be reminded of people who have bonked real live women, rather than bribing the Ovation of the Seas doctor for access to the freezer storing the corpse of the statistically likely octagenarian who’s carked it on the cruise.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If the first, give it away. No need to suffer. FGS cutting your finger by slicing vegetables, if done properly, is almost impossible.

    It is the first. I call in pre-cooked or ready-to-cook as much as practicable or healthy. But I still have to try to cook sometimes. When we met, Tinta couldn’t believe I was as bad at cooking as I said on the Cat but I assured her it was true (maybe she can teach me proper Italian bolognaise). I never learned at my mother’s knee and was considered too smart for it at school. In later life, mum made efforts herself to learn, but never mastered much and I was long gone then. There are whole generations like me now, who can’t cook.

    These Japanese knives are super sharp and it is easy to misjudge. If you misjudged with my old knives which were fairly unsharp the damage was far less. Hairy got the new knives to improve things (lol), because the kitchen cut and chop and blend set he bought me two years ago I still in its box in the garage.

  129. Chris

    thinks: The socks are a little smelly today. Must get some Tinaderm. And maggots to debride the skins.

  130. Myrddin Seren

    Would a sociopath like GrigRae be comfortable having a sock as thick as Numxunt?

    One vote for ‘No’.

  131. Ragu

    If the bombs had dropped a couple months earlier, would Korea have still been occupied by Stalin to the current border?.

    Would the entire Korean peninsula be lit at night?.

    On the evidence you have given that is an interesting question.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ps I tell Hairy I am waiting for the new kitchen before I take those gadgets out of their box.
    Not enough storage in this old kitchen I say, but I also don’t want a new kitchen till at least next year.
    Reprieve!

  133. Fat Tony

    The GrigRae is angry today.

    Yes, it’s particularly nasty and virulent – but, then again, it’s not very bright.

    In a way, I feel sorry for it. No – hang on – it can go jump itself sideways.
    Then again, it has probably perfected that routine by now, and with Mother too.

    Very sad.

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nemkat – SK is lit up at night because of conservative free market policies. NK is not lit up at night because of socialist central planning policies. I do believe that conservative free marketeers prefer SK.

    Here is a pictorial comparison of the Korean Peninsula with Australia.

  135. Rae

    The GrigRae is angry today.

    “The GrigRae”? Nup. Beths “GrigoRae” (capital “R”) is fine, for reasons I publicly explained a couple of times before.

    “angry”? In that last comment to Macca? No. Just channeling Macca himself. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, y’know.

    Anything else that makes you say I’m angry? Can’t say I’ve actually noticed anything myself.

  136. Senile Old Guy

    Cooking is not rocket science. Just follow the instructions.

  137. Nick

    Mother they is mockings me!

  138. Baldrick

    Thanks for sharing your Dad’s story Dr Fred.

  139. OneWorldGovernment

    Winston Smith
    #2703161, posted on May 5, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    But you are talking about feeling a regret. I’m talking about it being a factor in targeting priority.

    WS

    Consider the fire bombing that had previously occurred in Japan and as Carpe pointed out the many ancient and iconic buildings that were destroyed.

    But it made no difference to the Japanese hierarchy.

    It was only when the atomic bombs were dropped that Japan stopped.

    Maybe the Japanese finally woke up that if the West, clearly identified with Christianity on their part, would bomb Christians in Nagasaki what will they do next.

    Much of Vietnam was Christian also.

  140. nemkat

    SK is lit up at night because of conservative free market policies

    Free Market Policies aren’t conservative, Bruce. That’s a Liberal idea.
    Protection is the conservative Policy..
    As i said, i’ve got zero interest in whether or not the Korean Peninsula is lit up at night, it’s not Australia, so i couldn’t care less.

  141. Snoopy

    Oh noes. Trouble at Sydney Writers’ Festival. One brown participant outed by another brown participant for being a horn dog.

  142. C.L.

    Conclusion: the bombs saved millions of lives

    There is no evidence for that proposition at all.

  143. Mindfree

    Who remembers this

  144. Bruce of Newcastle

    These Japanese knives are super sharp and it is easy to misjudge.

    Lizzie – Actually better to use cheap K mart style knives for that very reason. I’m not a cuisinaire to be using Masamune cutlery so I stick to the basic stainless knives. Stainless is softer so you can keep them as sharp as you want – ie enough to cut a tomato without too much hassle, but not enough to cut the end of your finger off.

    My brother, who is a Japanophile and talented amateur chef, once gave me one of these. Beautiful blade. I dare not use it and it remains in its box…and I still have all my fingers.

  145. squawkbox

    Conclusion: the bombs saved millions of lives

    There is no evidence for that proposition at all.

    Do tell me any realistic end to the Pacific War that might have resulted in fewer casualties.

  146. Rae

    For those interested, Nile cruising is on Getaway on Ch Nein at the moment.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    You are far less likely to cut yourself with a very sharp knife when cooking.

    Blunt knives slip and require more force.

    This is basic stuff but yet again we see people failing to grasp what should be commonsense.

  148. Mindfree

    Christ – just saw the ARU boss

    Looks like Sargeant Shultz in a Niki Savva haircut

  149. Snoopy

    There is no evidence for that proposition at all.

    /Dr BeauGan

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    Free Market Policies aren’t conservative, Bruce.

    Nemkat – If you know about South Korean economic development since WW2 you’ll know my description was accurate. Look up “chaebol”. South Koreans were very conservative, except for the ferals encouraged by the Norks.

    I’m sad you didn’t look at the cartoon. 😀

  151. nemkat

    Call for a Truce- that’s what Eisenhower did in Korea 8 years later.
    Or do what every other civilised Country had done for hundreds of years previously- negotiate a settlement.
    The Japs knew they’d lost after Coral Sea in 1942. They were keen to settle, but the United Nations, led by the U.S., weren’t interested.

  152. OneWorldGovernment

    John Constantine
    #2703164, posted on May 5, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    Stalin’s gains from the Imperial Japanese empire.

    Outer Mongolia had been Chinese sphere of influence for centuries, but Russia got to move in the early 1900’s.

    JC

    I remember reading a ‘document’ a couple of lifetimes ago that was purported to originate 1880-1890 (?) from the Czar’s thought police.

    Maybe it is a bit like “The Protocols” type propaganda.

    Whatever but they were both adopted by the socialist xunts that killed the Czar.

    And just as socialist Germany under Bismark wanted to take over the world the Czar, and all those pricks were related and now show up in the EU and the UN, laid his own plans to take over the world.

    Probably penis envy because the ‘Poms’ had created a reasonably large ‘Commonwealth’.

  153. struth

    They were keen to settle

    What a fuckwit.

  154. nemkat

    South Koreans were very conservative, …

    Socially conservative. Politically, they’re Socialists. I’m fairly sure you appreciate the difference.

  155. None

    I see C.L. is turning into a feral leftym

  156. Bruce of Newcastle

    Not all of us are so dextrous O Infidel Tiger-sama. Fail-safe, or at least fail-not-too-badly, is a useful concept.

  157. OneWorldGovernment

    Dr Fred Lenin
    #2703188, posted on May 5, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    My Father was a prisoner of war in Japan in a camp near Nagasaki

    Respect.

  158. egg_

    Catriona’s beefed up in recent years, but still hawt.

  159. squawkbox

    The Japs knew they’d lost after Coral Sea in 1942. They were keen to settle, but the United Nations, led by the U.S., weren’t interested.

    Stop fantasizing, Nemsock. They made no meaningful diplomatic overtures to the allied powers. Incidentally, the United Nations was not created until October 1945. Moron.

  160. Infidel Tiger

    Not all of us are so dextrous O Infidel Tiger-sama. Fail-safe, or at least fail-not-too-badly, is a useful concept.

    You are more likely to cut yourself with a cheap blunt knife than a super sharp one. Ask any chef.

    Once again, this is basic stuff. If you don’t understand the material then I can do no more.

  161. Infidel Tiger

    Catriona’s beefed up in recent years, but still hawt.

    Fat legs, smoking norks.

  162. Makka

    Macca, you sick fuck. Next time Fony Tat mentions his faeces, I’ll leave it in your capable hands.

    I pulled you up the other day for going on about your poo fetish. You didn’t learn and here you are again at it. It really is a disorder you need addressing Grigs. Very creepy when you also tie it in with your dunny lurking. Get some help pal.

  163. Rae

    As I said, Macca. It’s in your hands now.

  164. struth

    I wonder what your father would think of Nemkat’s left wing re write of history, Fred Lenin.
    Great story of a great man, that definitely installed the right values in you, even though he died at a young age.

  165. Bruce of Newcastle

    Infi – I am not a chef. I have as much interest in cheffery as chefs have of process chemistry. I can safely and routinely do things in chemistry that would scare a chef’s apron off, but I know well my limitations with the professional tools of another profession.

  166. egg_

    I am not a chef

    Your birdie neighbours probably think so.

  167. struth

    A young boy watching a chef was amazed at the food he was preparing.
    That’s excellent said the young boy.
    The chef replied, you can do this too.
    You could be a chef when you grow up, he said.
    No thanks, said the boy, I want to be a man.

  168. Gab

    I’m much more aware and therefore very cautious when using my chef knives. No so careful when using other knives and I’ve cut myself only when using the latter.

  169. Infidel Tiger

    Thank you Gab. A voice of sanity in a dark world.

  170. struth

    Buy cans with pull tops.
    Cut product up with upturned can.
    Chuck it on toast.

  171. Makka

    The Japs knew they’d lost after Coral Sea in 1942. They were keen to settle, but the United Nations, led by the U.S., weren’t interested.

    This is utter rubbish. What regime that is keen to settle would still be committing war crimes , murdering thousands of innocent civilians as late as 1945? This is the statement of an idiot.

  172. areff

    They were keen to settle they were equipping the civilian population with sharpened bamboo staves to fight off the invaders. Not to mention the attempted putsch at the last moment to subvert the surrender.

  173. nemkat

    Incidentally, the United Nations was not created until October 1945.

    The forces ranged against Germany and Japan in those years was referred to as the United Nations.
    This term morphed into the name of the Org formed by the victors in 1945.

    Try a little self help next time before you rush off opining on things you’re totally ignorant of- there’s a good chap.

  174. OneWorldGovernment

    LOL

    Here’s one for the conspiracy theorists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Windsor

  175. squawkbox

    Like I say, Makka, the GrigoNemRae moron thinks the United Nations was created before the end of WW2. It’s the sort of historical error that’s easy to make when you are too preoccupied with groping corpses in cruise liner freezers to bother reading a history book.

  176. squawkbox

    The forces ranged against Germany and Japan in those years was referred to as the United Nations.

    No they weren’t. Stop digging.

  177. Roger.

    Conclusion: the bombs saved millions of lives

    There is no evidence for that proposition at all.

    All historical judgments are hypothetical and can be argued until the cows come home.

    The real judgment to be made is whether Truman’s orders were ethical.

    We know that shortening the war and saving American and Allied lives in the invasion, and Japanese civilian lives as well, was of paramount concern. That motivation, based on entirely reasonable assumptions, would seem to go a long way to justifying dropping the bombs. Happily, the tactic worked and Japan renounced its militarism.

  178. DrBeauGan

    Snoopy
    #2703246, posted on May 5, 2018 at 5:33 pm
    There is no evidence for that proposition at all.

    /Dr BeauGan

    Damn, you’ve worked it out. Yes, CL is my sock puppet. I only use him for saying really frightful things though.

  179. OneWorldGovernment

    beaugan

    the subtle troll

  180. nemkat

    This is utter rubbish. What regime that is keen to settle would still be committing war crimes , murdering thousands of innocent civilians as late as 1945? This is the statement of an idiot.

    People have observed for centuries that the Oriental is inscrutable, Macca.
    Your error is in attemptingto ascribe Western values to a people for whom these values are meaningless.

    Do a little research. The Japs wanted a negotiated settlement early on, the United Nations demanded Unconditional Surrender.
    How many thousands of precious Australian lives were lost pursuing this Policy?

  181. Infidel Tiger

    Rae is actually my sock puppet.

    When he gets cranky it’s usually because I have made him do terrible things to my genitals.

  182. Ragu

    The forces ranged against Germany and Japan in those years was referred to as the United Nations.
    This term morphed into the name of the Org formed by the victors in 1945.

    Can someone, please, buy this person a one way ticket to Euthanasia

  183. Infidel Tiger

    Rae and I want it on the record that the flaming retard Nemkat may try to align himself with us but he is not us. “We” are “both” embarrassed that a xunt this stupid exists.

  184. squawkbox

    The forces ranged against Germany and Japan in those years was referred to as the United Nations.

    No they weren’t. Stop digging.

    Incidentally, when you are talking about “the forces” you are dealing with plurals. So they were referred to as the United Nations (except of course they weren’t because the UN didn’t exist then). Not was.

    We already know you are ignorant of tax, science and history. Now you’ve added grammar to the list. Are you attempting to be the world’s greatest anti-polymath?

  185. OneWorldGovernment

    Next week will be a fun time in the US.

    Trump will get a gosh horror woman, endorsed by Pompeo, to head the CIA.

    I think he has about 12 judges that will be confirmed.

    Unemployment in the US is below 4%.

    Hopefully the report will come out from the OIG.

    LOL.

  186. Rae

    The League of Nations was formed, after much foot-dragging by Woodrow Wilson, in 1920. The Seconded World War amply demonstrated it as a failure. It was replaced by the United Nations in 1946.

  187. cohenite

    Is there any possibility Trump didn’t bonk Daniels? It would have to be very remote otherwise the payment wouldn’t have been made, I guess.

    FMD, the NDA signed by the whore states there was no affair. It was a commercial decision by Trump to get the whore off his back. The whore is now weapon 1 for Mueller and the other demorat whores.

  188. Tintarella di Luna

    Good evening gatti e gattine, hope you’ve all had a lovely day. I had coffee early this morning with Scott Adams, ahhhh most satisfying and entertaining, stayed away from all news about Australia for health reasons.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    Rae remember that time we were out bush and we had neither toilet paper or leaves and I made you clean my befouled arsehole? You were so willing and effective. Socks are wonderful things.

  190. OneWorldGovernment

    Hey numbnuts

    Who were the first signatories that created The UN?

    And whatever happened to the term ‘Allied Forces’?

  191. struth

    You’re doing a Monty, Nemkat, in a hole and you keep digging.

    They were called the allies, not the U.N., you spastic, and their opposition were called the axis.
    Kamikaze Japanese were not surrendering, and were even given the chance of doing so, before the bombs were dropped.
    They were warned, and they showed the allies the middle finger.
    It took two bombs before they would settle down, and you came on here talking shit.

    Fuck off and you do some research shitfabrains.

  192. Tintarella di Luna

    The United Nations was formed on 24 October, 1945

  193. OneWorldGovernment

    But did he clean it up IT?

  194. Tintarella di Luna

    Has someone put a call in to the night soil man, there’s an ahistorical arsehat on the loose.

  195. Makka

    Imperial Japan murdered over 100,000 alone Filipinos in 1945. Not the act of a regime seeking to settle.

    People have observed for centuries that the Oriental is inscrutable, Macca.

    Is that supposed to be some kind of argument?

  196. Baldrick

    Stupid is as stupid does:

    nemkat
    #2597791, posted on December 31, 2017 at 5:02 pm
    You used to be able to open Catallaxy files, speedscroll the Open Forums til you found the red, blue and yellow gravatar, and proceed to be entertained.
    Those were the days.

  197. DrBeauGan

    Infidel Tiger
    #2703301, posted on May 5, 2018 at 6:19 pm
    Rae remember that time we were out bush and we had neither toilet paper or leaves and I made you clean my befouled arsehole? You were so willing and effective. Socks are wonderful things.

    I was going to confess to being one of your socks, I T, but not after that.

  198. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    When he gets cranky it’s usually because I have made him do terrible things to my genitals.

    team tag Cock Hero!

  199. nemkat

    Here is the link so many of you [titter] historians have been clamoring for:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II
    Here is the first paragraph of that link:
    The Allies of World War II, called the United Nations from the 1 January 1942 declaration, were the countries that together opposed the Axis powers during the Second World War (1939–1945). The Allies promoted the alliance as a means to control German, Japanese and Italian aggression.

  200. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    tag team

  201. Baldrick

    Oh Lord, we’ve got another Wikipedia affociando.

  202. DrBeauGan

    Baldrick
    #2703323, posted on May 5, 2018 at 6:46 pm
    Oh Lord, we’ve got another Wikipedia affociando.

    Today’s substitute for an education, Baldrick.

  203. nemkat

    Poor old Auntie Baldrick.
    She’s always the last to join the pile on, and always the last to leave.

  204. Cohenite;

    It was a commercial decision by Trump to get the whore off his back.

    Position Fail!

  205. Rae

    the NDA signed by Stormy Daniels states there was no affair

    No. It states that she will not disclose details of the affair.

  206. Pickles

    ABC Backroads on now. Great yarn. Features fisherfolk, good old Oz pissheads and a US Marine. Recommended.

  207. Baldrick;

    nemkat
    #2597791, posted on December 31, 2017 at 5:02 pm
    You used to be able to open Catallaxy files, speedscroll the Open Forums til you found the red, blue and yellow gravatar, and proceed to be entertained.
    Those were the days.

    I’ve seen that quote many times, but have never had it explained. Can you let us know what the red/blue/yellow gravatar refers to?

  208. Baldrick

    Bombs away! Tally-ho. I say lads, back to base for a nice cup of char.

  209. vr

    Oh noes. Trouble at Sydney Writers’ Festival. One brown participant outed by another brown participant for being a horn dog.

    Junot Diaz’s first novel was freaking hilarious.

  210. Rae

    The United Nations was formed on 24 October, 1945

    And replaced the League of Nations when that body held its final meeting on 18 April 1946 and transferred its asset to the United Nations.

  211. Snoopy

    The Stormy – Trump NDA is public? Link?

  212. Roger.

    ABC Backroads on now. Great yarn. Features fisherfolk, good old Oz pissheads and a US Marine. Recommended.

    Ae, Karumba!

  213. DrBeauGan

    I’ve seen that quote many times, but have never had it explained. Can you let us know what the red/blue/yellow gravatar refers to?

    It was grigory m, Winston. Before it was banned and reborn as rae.

  214. Rae

    The Stormy – Trump NDA is public? Link?

    Over to you, cohenite.

  215. Infidel Tiger

    I’ve seen that quote many times, but have never had it explained. Can you let us know what the red/blue/yellow gravatar refers to?

    Grigory M. Great guy. He once fulsomely apologised to me and then begged to give me fellatio.

  216. C.L.

    Do tell me any realistic end to the Pacific War that might have resulted in fewer casualties.

    It is not morally licit to do evil that (you think) good may come of it.
    Harry Truman should have been prosecuted as a war criminal.

  217. Rae

    Grigory M. Great guy.

    He had a nice bright gravatar. I see on that old thread that he correctly named you as a male turkey. His name for the Twitter roach seems accurate too.

  218. squawkbox

    It is not morally licit to do evil that (you think) good may come of it.
    Harry Truman should have been prosecuted as a war criminal.

    Your response is noted. Coward and liar.

  219. nemkat

    A Male Turkey, eh?

    Could be. To me, he sounds more like a budgerigar.

  220. Slayer of Memes

    FBI Has Not Requested Anti-Trump Agents’ Personal Email Records

    The FBI says it has not requested information from the personal email accounts of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, the two bureau officials who exchanged anti-President Donald Trump text messages while working on the investigation into possible Trump campaign collusion with Russia.

    The disclosure was made in a letter sent May 2 to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Grassley, a Republican, questioned why the bureau has not sought Strzok and Page’s personal email records, noting they referred to using private email accounts to conduct government-related business.

    “FBI has not requested from Ms. Page or Mr. Strzok any information from their personal email accounts, nor has the FBI conducted searches of non-FBI issued communications devices or non-FBI email accounts associated with Mr. Strzok or Ms. Page,” Charles A. Thorley, the acting assistant director at the FBI’s office of congressional affairs, wrote to Grassley.

    Strzok and Page worked closely on both the Trump-Russia investigation and the Clinton email probe. Their politically biased texts were discovered as part of a Justice Department inspector general’s investigation into the FBI’s handling of the Clinton email investigation. The Justice Department has provided Congress with thousands of text messages Strzok and Page exchanged during the course of both investigations.

    Grassley has pointed to text messages Strzok and Page exchanged “show substantial reason” to believe the two FBI officials conducted government work on their private email accounts.

    In one exchange, Strzok wrote to Page: “Gmailed you two drafts of what I’m thinking of sending Bill, would appreciate your thoughts.”

    In another text, Strzok wrote: “Sent something to your gmail, work-related.”

    “Although, as your letter notes, the FBI is not ‘obligated’ to collect all communications between employees; it is obligated to collect and preserve federal records,” Grassley wrote Friday to FBI Director Christopher Wray.

    Grassley asked Wray why the FBI has not requested Strzok and Page to turn over any government records they may have on their personal devices. He also wants to know why the FBI has apparently not conducted a search of Strzok and Page’s non-FBI email accounts.

    Trump’s private lawyers personal email is open fodder for Mueller et al, but the personal emails of two FBI agents colluding to act contrary to their sworn positions, and against the duly elected president are apparently verboten

    It’s different when it involves DEMOCRATS breaking the law…

  221. Tel

    I’ve seen that quote many times, but have never had it explained. Can you let us know what the red/blue/yellow gravatar refers to?

    Grigs used to fly the Don Cossacks’ flag, for reasons that thankfully remain unknown.

  222. C.L.

    You have to laugh at Mueller’s bungled Lucky 13 case.
    He indicted 13 Russians – who are in, you know, Russia – and some Russian companies.
    LOL, he thought. ‘Proves there is something to this Wussia thing and – added bonus – they won’t actually be tried, of course. Because they’re in Russia! How clever am I?’
    Nobody on his staff thought to say, ‘Um, boss – they might actually front to answer the indictment and demand discovery rights to all of our illegal, flimsy evidence.’

  223. cohenite

    No. It states that she will not disclose details of the affair.

    We’ll see:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two
    parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction

  224. C.L.

    Your response is noted. Coward and liar.

    Right. Truman was both.

  225. Rae

    Riiiiiight, cohenite. Very droll. But I doubt that will satisfy Snoopys need for a link to the NDA.

  226. None

    It is not morally licit to do evil that (you think) good may come of it.

    Japan was still at War against the allies. The allies decided to drop a couple of bombs on Japan in an attempt to get them to surrender. You might like to pontificate and mull over your catechism. But war is chaos. And in war time costs lives. At least the US made a considered decision about where and when and why even if you personally disagree with their reasoning. And it had the effect that they wanted and the war was ended. It’s all very well for you to judge them 80 years after the fact sitting on your ass having never dodged a bullet or fled a bomb in your life, as if you were privy to every single factor that was playing on their minds. So please spare us the drama queen Truman war criminal sideshow.

  227. C.L.

    You might like to pontificate and mull over your catechism. But war is chaos.

    Thanks, Sarge.
    But the catechism has nothing to do with the fact that the US willfully incinerated women and children, the aged, the infirm and civilians. It was the most cowardly dog act in the history of war. And no, war is not moral “chaos” to the side that fights for the righteous cause.

  228. Chris

    I was impressed at the depth of Grigory’s apology to you IT. The fellatio seemed like the decent thing for him to do, going part of the way to restoring the integrity which he had thrown away in faux-innocence over some rather nasty kitteh stalking.

  229. squawkbox

    Right. Truman was both.

    No, CL, I was referring to you. Harry Truman was simply an ordinary man trying to deal with impossible choices to reduce the total number of American deaths for which he was responsible. You are a snotty little turd who has clearly never loved or felt responsibility for another human soul.

  230. cohenite

    But I doubt that will satisfy Snoopys need for a link to the NDA.

    You put it up then.

  231. Thanks IT.
    Don’t ever change.
    Thanks to the others as well.

  232. rickw

    But the catechism has nothing to do with the fact that the US willfully incinerated women and children, the aged, the infirm and civilians. It was the most cowardly dog act in the history of war. And no, war is not moral “chaos” to the side that fights for the righteous cause.

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved vast numbers of Japanese women and children.

    Want a slaughter? Then don’t deploy the one option that will wake them to surrender.

  233. Bruce of Newcastle

    Stormy seems to be burnishing her credentials as a Democrat partisan.

    Stormy Daniels Goes After ‘Ignorant Tw*t’ Roseanne Barr

    Maybe that’s her strategy: after she goes epically bankrupt she receives her reward from the Dems of a seat in Congress, congress being what she’s good at. It’d be fun watching how America reacts to a pollie who is a superannuated porn actress.

  234. John Constantine

    In two generations of their Irish governments open borders diversity theory in action, Pakistan playing Test cricket in Dublin will be as much a home game as India playing test cricket at the MCG.

  235. Slayer of Memes

    Can anyone here explain to me what the Logan Act entails in the US, and how John Kerry secretly meeting Iranian officials to salvage the Obama-legacy Iran Nuclear deal doesn’t fall under ‘collusion’ (or ‘treason’)?

    Just asking for a friend…

  236. egg_

    Oliphant also formed part of the MAUD Committee, which reported in July 1941, that an atomic bomb was not only feasible, but might be produced as early as 1943. Oliphant was instrumental in spreading the word of this finding in the United States, thereby starting what became the Manhattan Project. Later in the war, he worked on it with his friend Ernest Lawrence at the Radiation Laboratory in Berkeley, California, developing electromagnetic isotope separation.

  237. None

    Stormy did stand for election as a Democrat in the past.

  238. Rae

    But I doubt that will satisfy Snoopys need for a link to the NDA.

    You put it up then.

    Not up to me. I just defined what an NDA is. You made the claim as to what was in the Daniels-Trump NDA. It’s all yours old boy.

  239. None

    This one is for JC
    https://mobile.twitter.com/walkleys/status/992268604589539330
    Is this an admission by the failed wife that she didn’t marry well?

  240. Chris

    the US willfully incinerated women and children, the aged, the infirm and civilians. And no, war is not moral “chaos” to the side that fights for the righteous cause.

    After Nanjing, after the massacres of prisoners and civilians across their entire sphere of operations, after many aspects of Japanese behaviour were known, there is a very good case that retribution is appropriate and is part of deterring future crimes against humanity. It appeared that firebombing Tokyo and other cities was not enough to persuade. Targeting the Dresden firestorm was also said to be partly vengeance.

    War is what it is, and it isn’t policing individual enemy for individual crimes. While you decide what is moral you have to win.
    I am very pleased that happened in the second world war.

  241. nemkat

    None pontificates:
    It’s all very well for you to judge them 80 years after the fact It’s all very well for you to judge them 80 years after the fact sitting on your ass having never dodged a bullet or fled a bomb in your life, as if you were privy to every single factor that was playing on their minds., as if you were privy to every single factor that was playing on their minds.
    The Policy of Unconditional Surrender [unknown to the Civilised World, BTW] was FDR’s Policy.
    As you say, he’d spent his privileged life sitting on [his] ass having never dodged a bullet or fled a bomb in [his] life.
    Truman was a creature of Kansas City’s Pendergast Gang, he was lucky not to go to jail in 1939, and FDR must’ve had the wood on him when he plucked Truman out of nowhere to be his Running Mate in 1944.

    A common criminal, and a Class A War Criminal to boot.

  242. Zippy – thanks for that link – good stuff.

  243. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I was impressed at the depth of Grigory’s apology to you IT. The fellatio seemed like the decent thing for him to do, going part of the way to restoring the integrity which he had thrown away in faux-innocence over some rather nasty kitteh stalking.

    socks and cream pies. a match made in heaven

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