How the Libs can win where Labor will never follow

There are certain political observers who would have seen Labor elected in 2016 to teach the Libs a lesson, but I have to say the thought still terrifies me. There are then those in the Coalition who believe that their superior economic management will make all the difference, a notion so absurd I cannot believe that they actually believe they have their finger on the pulse of the nation. So let me draw their attention to the above, which I picked up via Steve Hayward on Powerline, who heads his post: Gee – I wonder if it might be immigration?

This is where their winning break can and will come from, and I am at least comforted that Peter Dutton is such an excellent Minister and is supported by the Prime Minister. And on this Labor will never follow, because their strategy is to bring in an entirely new cohort of citizens on whom Labor will be able to depend.

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98 Responses to How the Libs can win where Labor will never follow

  1. Snoopy

    I think 50,000 illegal immigrants in the first eighteen months of a Labor government is likely. Then 50,000 in the 12 months after that then increasing 30% year on year.

  2. Shy Ted

    Not gonna happen because Trumble.

  3. egg_

    What does ‘I Love Lucy’ think?

  4. 132andBush

    Putting everything with the words “green, renewable, sustainable” in the title to the sword would also work.

  5. I struggle with the phrase “Dutton is such an excellent Minister”
    You’ll never get that dog to hunt with me.

    For I deal with the department covered by his portfolio.

  6. RobertS

    The traitors running this country fear a recession more than anything else.
    That’s why they won’t slash immigration

  7. a happy little debunker

    Both Turnbull and Morrison are opposed to cutting immigration.

    They won’t even allow a cabinet discussion on the matter.

    Not winning there!

  8. mem

    My gut tells me the three biggest issues in Oz are 1.immigration 2.electricity costs and reliability (with built in growing disillusionment with the climate change zealotry and renewables fandango) and 3. foreign ownership of strategic and basic services. Also growing concern about our loss of educational standards and lack of literacy.Problem is, the Libs under Turnbull haven’t given people like me an option.

  9. Tel

    There are then those in the Coalition who believe that their superior economic management will make all the difference, a notion so absurd I cannot believe that they actually believe they have their finger on the pulse of the nation.

    OK, then name all of the Keynesian make-work money pits:
    * NBN
    * Pink batts
    * School halls
    * NDIS
    * Submarines

    How many were ALP and how many were Those Stupid Liberals?

    Turnbull may have a lot of problems but one thing he is good at is sitting on his hands being indecisive and from my point of view that’s about the best economic management we are likely to get.

  10. egg_

    The traitors running this country fear a recession more than anything else.
    That’s why they won’t slash immigration

    Welcome to Gerry Harvey’s ponzi economy.

  11. miltonf

    Voting Labor in the HoR to punish the LNP is cutting of your nose to spite your face. As I’ve said before there are certain LNP members that I could never vote for so I think I’d have to spoil my ballot paper. As I’m in a labor seat this issue is really academic for me re the HoR.

    I hope Latho runs for the senate. He’ll get my vote but I still wonder what he’s doing in the LDP,

  12. Two things to say:

    Climate change is low on the list of concerns as always.

    We need similar polls on the UN.

  13. mem

    Off topic, Had to laugh at Philip Adams’ back page column in today’s OZ Weekend Magazine. It was a re-run of his column printed a couple of weeks ago. Apart from the editor not noticing that it was a repeat (nearly all Adams’ recent columns are tedious rants to justify sending up Trump so I’m not surprised she didn’t twig) this version implies that Trump has dementia and is wandering around lost in his pajamas repeating tweets. Rather ironic given that it is Adams’ column that is repeated. By next week though, Adams who suffers from severe Trump Derangement Syndrome (and likely dementia) will probably be blaming the repeat on the Donald and the Russians.

  14. wal1957

    Turnbull may have a lot of problems but one thing he is good at is sitting on his hands being indecisive and from my point of view that’s about the best economic management we are likely to get.

    Unfortunately that is so true. The Libs have lost any desire to slash spending. They aren’t willing to push for cuts as hard as they should.

    The senate is a cesspool and does not engage in useful constructive changes to proposed legislation, instead it willfully obstructs as it pleases.

    I can’t see Libs surviving the next election. Worst case scenario is a coalition of Labor/Greens.
    Wow! Wouldn’t that be a show! Come on down Big Spender….

  15. miltonf

    The LNP could survive if they got rid of Trumble.

  16. C.L.

    I hope the Liberal Party is utterly destroyed at the next election.
    I’m thoroughly sick of Shorten-would-be-worse-ism.

  17. miltonf “The LNP could survive if they got rid of Trumble.” Only if they got rid of Julie Bishop, Pyne, Dwyer and (is it very large -) Paine, Freydenberg,, that queer Falinski (?) and a few other TurnBullsh*t followers.

  18. struth

    If you believe immigration will fix all economic ills why don’t we get Venezuela to take them?

    Sending migrants to welfare ridden shitholes from inbred shitholes, creates wealth?
    Who’da thunk ut?

    The liberal party thunk ut.

  19. stackja

    C.L.
    #2709450, posted on May 12, 2018 at 8:59 pm
    I hope the Liberal Party is utterly destroyed at the next election.
    I’m thoroughly sick of Shorten-would-be-worse-ism.

    You hope Shorten won’t be worse?

  20. mem

    If you believe immigration will fix all economic ills why don’t we get Venezuela to take them?

    + 1

  21. miltonf

    Take your point cement. It makes you realize what Abbott was up against.

  22. Norman Church

    None of these issues rate with doctors’ wives. To the contrary. A snowball’s chance in hell of the current Diet Labor regime ever choosing to fight on this ground.

  23. rickw

    Assumes that they’re not communists.

  24. NB

    Of the cuff optimism #2:
    There is a massive shift occurring.
    Leftist enervation is being replaced by optimism and energy.
    The left has no audience.

  25. jupes

    This is where their winning break can and will come from, and I am at least comforted that Peter Dutton is such an excellent Minister and is supported by the Prime Minister.

    That pair brought in a lazy quarter of a fucking million immigrants last year.

    That’s your gold standard Steve? Fuck. Me. Dead.

  26. Leo G

    Of the cuff optimism #2:
    There is a massive shift occurring.
    Leftist enervation is being replaced by optimism and energy.

    Enervate or innervate, Turnbull or Shorten, what’s the likely difference?
    Wearing your heart on your sleeve won’t help- you’re just inviting the crows to pick your bones.

    “But I will wear my heart upon my sleeve
    For daws to peck at.”

  27. BorisG

    I hope the Liberal Party is utterly destroyed at the next election.
    I’m thoroughly sick of Shorten-would-be-worse-ism.

    C.L. have you joined Labor? are you going to preference them over the Libs?

  28. nerblnob

    struth
    #2709464, posted on May 12, 2018 at 9:15 pm
    If you believe immigration will fix all economic ills why don’t we get Venezuela to take them?

    Good economies attract the best immigrants.

    Idiots mix the cause and correlation up and think the worst immigrants will cause a good economy.

  29. Up The Workers!

    The A.L.P. are like the biblical lost tribe wandering around in the desert.

    Originally, they saw their objective as fighting in the cause of the “wukkas” – specifically white-skinned, Australian workers according to their own infamous “White Australian Policy”.

    Nowadays, the Party’s former Federal President and Senior Vice President of the A.C.T.U. is serving a 7-year prison sentence for embezzling $20 million from sucker H.S.U. members (which neither he, nor the Party could be bothered repaying) and the A.C.T.U. is run instead for the pecuniary benefit of the Q.W.E.R.T.Y.L.G.B.T.Q.I.S.S.M.A.L.P.A.C.T.U. crowd, and rarely is the poor old Aussie worker given a look in.

    Rather than concentrating all their efforts of the welfare of Australians, they are exporting our jobs and industries to China; importing misogynists, terrorists, life-long welfare freeloaders and criminals from the Middle East and Africa and even their Federal Parliamentary self-enrichment club is largely comprised of the foreign legion.

    A.L.P. – Always Looting the Peasantry!

  30. Anonandon

    There is a slow inevitability of decline under the coalition. Under Labor it will be much faster. Bring it on and let the current voters be the ones to suffer, not their children.

  31. struth

    Oh and flew into Darwin a couple of days ago and even it’s taxi rank and behavior of drivers had me questioning whether or not I’d taken the wrong flight and accidentally landed in a third world shit hole.
    Extra bad now.
    A bloke could end up a racist .

  32. Linden

    John Singleton gave it to boofhead Adams years ago; nothing since has surpassed that little gem of an analogy.

  33. Tel

    There is a slow inevitability of decline under the coalition. Under Labor it will be much faster. Bring it on and let the current voters be the ones to suffer, not their children.

    Slow decline gives more opportunity for that miracle to kick in and save us all!

  34. Roger.

    This is where their winning break can and will come from, and I am at least comforted that Peter Dutton is such an excellent Minister and is supported by the Prime Minister.

    Steve, you do realise they just released a budget which relies on unsustainable immigration levels to stimulate future growth, with Dutton entirely on board.

  35. H B Bear

    I hope the Liberal Party is utterly destroyed at the next election.
    I’m thoroughly sick of Shorten-would-be-worse-ism.

    Shorten will be worse, there is no doubt of that.

    And I will still never vote for the Lieborals while Lord and Lady Waffleworth, the Performing Stick Insect, the Mincing Poodle and every other homo, Photios-installed dripping wet infests the place.

  36. Chris M

    The Liberal party have agreed to run this past their UN bosses and get back to you Steve.

  37. Leo G

    Slow decline gives more opportunity for that miracle* to kick in and save us all!

    *miracle: The Coalition awakes one morning while still in office to find no trace of a Turnbull Team but a majority in both Houses and with blinky Bill still misleading the Opposition. (see pipe dream with extra opium)

  38. manalive

    Framing the issue as immigration v no immigration is a false dilemma or choice, the issue concerns the number of immigrants and where they come from.

  39. Vote for the ALP? Not voting LNP?

    There is something that the polls, academics and the commentarazzi never seem to get a handle on.

    It is one thing to have longtime supporters vote for your opponent. Govts can survive this.
    It is another to have a critical mass of longtime supporters actively working towards and supporting your demise.

    (Ask Howard and Kennet if you don’t believe me)

    Mikey Trumble is so despised that he has not just lost “don’t matters” he has turned them into enemies.

    Pollsters don’t measure the amount of bile in a “NO”.

  40. H B Bear

    Lord Waffleworth had to tip in $1.7m to scrape in by one (Nationals) seat last time. Good luck trying to put the squeeze in Big Business for cash and find some warm bodies to man the booths this time around.

  41. tombell

    RobertS
    #2709346, posted on May 12, 2018 at 6:17 pm
    The traitors running this country fear a recession more than anything else.
    That’s why they won’t slash immigration

    You’re probably right. But they could at least bring in people likely to get a job…

  42. mh

    The Liberals and Labor both have the same immigration Ponzi scheme baked into their budget cakes.

    So they can both go and shove their heads up a dead bear’s arse.

  43. Up The Workers!

    To H.B.Bear, at 9.44 am, who said:

    “Lord Waffleworth had to tip in $1.7m to scrape in by one (Nationals) seat last time. Good luck trying to put the squeeze in Big Business for cash and find some warm bodies to man the booths this time around.”

    Maybe this time around, Prime Quisling Waffleworth needs to hire his own bunch of flunkys to do the vote count/preference allocation and run the election for him.

    The A.L.P. always has.

    They are the A.L.P.-affiliated C.P.S.U. members and those in the State Public Serpentry who supervise every single Federal, State and Local Misgovernment election the A.L.P. ever stands candidates for. How much cash has that Union ever contributed, in the name of fairness and impartiality, to the Libs or the Nats or Pauline Hanson’s mob? How much have they contributed to the Australian Liars’ Party?

    Isn’t it about time the Laborals wised up and did something similar?

    Have every second election staffed and run exclusively by card-carrying members and financial donors to the Liberal Party – surely that would be just as fair and impartial (he says, tongue planted firmly in cheek).

    Our current system is tantamount to Eddie McGuire’s Collingwood F.C. demanding that they will only play in A.F.L. matches where they can bring along their own officiating team of umpires.

    It might also offer the opportunity to finally retire some of those thousands of long-dead Labor(sic) voters from the A.E.C.-maintained rolls who have been devoutly voting (early and often) for Labor(sic) for decades and decades.

  44. Iampeter

    If immigration had any causal relationship to the success or failure of a country then the Middle East, South America’s and Africa would be as successful as Japan or something. They’re not.

    If anything the most successful countries tend to be the ones that have had the laxest immigration regulations historically and so if anything the relationship is the opposite of that implied here.

    In reality though its a non-issue and the only people talking about it are those who don’t know anything about politics and are grasping at straws.

    The almost total illiteracy of history, philosophy and politics gripping political discourse in Western Civilization today is not what I would characterize as “winning”.

    Amazing how many conservatives today are falling over themselves to advance the issues of early 20th century, leftist union and labor movements that even the dumbest, self-professed leftists, are too smart to bother with these days because they’ve moved onto more sophisticated forms of collectivism.

  45. struth

    Iampeter you pompous fuckwit, praytell what are the conservatives thinking and how the fuck do you think you know?
    Remember, firstly see if your peabrain can work out what a conservative is and then who is.

    You can’t seem to work out the difference between a dead set socialist and a conservative, bunching the two together and confusing the fuck out of yourself.
    It can’t be that hard for you, surely?

  46. struth

    I’ll give you a hint.
    Many people that call themselves conservatives, such as members of the liberal party are indeed raving socialists.
    It doesn’t make them conservative just because they call themselves conservative.
    They are just lying lefties

  47. The traitors running this country fear a recession more than anything else.
    That’s why they won’t slash immigration

    Patriotism: the recession we had to have.

    Yeah nah, not sure that slogan works.

  48. struth

    Arse about again monster.

    We don’t want immigration slashed for patriotic reasons as you think patriotism is .

    We want socialism slashed before we bring in people to no work and put them on welfare.

  49. If the immigrants are all sucking resources from the state, struth, why is it that politicians think a recession would ensue if immigration was slashed?

  50. struth

    Because they are left wing idiots, and socialist at heart.

    Der……..

  51. Leo G

    If the immigrants are all sucking resources from the state, struth, why is it that politicians think a recession would ensue if immigration was slashed?

    Sucking resources inflates GDP?

  52. struth

    The basic problem is liberals are so far left under Malcum they have forgotten how wealth is actually created.
    They think it is by growing government!
    Seriously.

  53. Sucking resources inflates GDP?

    Thanks Mister Orwell.

  54. struth

    Monty.
    Isn’t government expenditure included in the GDP in your world?

  55. struth, G as a percentage of GDP grew from a peak of 25.7% under Howard to 26.1% under Rudd and then to 26.6% under Turnbull as of 2016. That is not a massive blow out. There has been plenty of private industry growth in that time of Big Australia levels of immigration.

    Your theory doesn’t survive well in the face of the facts of the matter. Instituting a White Australia policy would plunge the country into recession.

  56. Leo G

    Thanks Mister Orwell.

    Orwellian double-speak cynicism being being destructive to the welfare of an open-door society?

  57. struth

    Get your hand off it monty.

    What the fark has race got to do with this you race obsessed ….racist…?
    I don’t want any white mussies here.
    I don’t want socialists like you here.
    Black white red brown or yellow.
    Colour of skin irrelevant.

    Private sector is collapsing in this country so don’t talk shit.
    Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP is way too high.
    Just because Costello could balance the books it didn’t make Howard a conservative.

  58. struth

    What you are is also quite gullible monty.
    GDP is a wank figure in it’s entirety.
    Answer me this.
    Do public servants pay tax?
    Are the private sector workers on government contracts paying tax?
    The socialist tentacles of government run deep into it’s economy and not factored in substantially enough to give GDP much value in assessing a country’s true economic situation.

  59. Iampeter

    Iampeter you pompous fuckwit

    I don’t necessarily disagree with you here, but I wouldn’t throw stones in this particular glass house.
    Also does it matter if someone is a pompous fuckwit if they are also right?

    praytell what are the conservatives thinking and how the fuck do you think you know?

    By reading and listening to conservatives. You will struggle to find conservatives, especially any mainstream/successful ones, who ever mention or understand the concept of rights.
    To put that into context for you, claiming to be “right wing” and a “political commentator” but not know what rights are is like being a mathematics professor who doesn’t know what arithmetic is.
    In other words, the technical description of mainstream conservatism as a political alternative to the left is: “fucked beyond any hope of recovery”.

    You can’t seem to work out the difference between a dead set socialist and a conservative, bunching the two together and confusing the fuck out of yourself.

    I’m not the one confused about anything and I don’t think socialists and conservatives are totally the same. An important difference is socialists know what they are talking about while conservatives merely advance socialism without even realizing it.

  60. John Constantine

    Australias fastest growing export industry is remittances from our imported voteherds to ‘back home’

    Currently around sixteen billion a year through recorded channels, plus black market remittances like bitcoin and precious metals and baby formula and wedding gifts………

    Is a good rule of thumb one black market dollar for every tax paid one?.

    Do we have a thirty billion dollar a year industry exporting cash, or only a twenty billion dollar a year one?.

    What happens in a decades time as Big Australia really kicks in?. Melbourne doubles in size and over half the population are sending money overseas?.

    The credit squeeze noticeable in all non crony parts of the Australian economy doesn’t reflect endless quarters of debtfunded Gross economic growth and the running down of infrastructure, spending the capital that should be ‘stay in business’ repair and maintainance spending.

    Eat, drink and be merry, because tomorrow Stalin puts us on rations.

    Comrades.

  61. struth

    By reading and listening to conservatives. You will struggle to find conservatives, especially any mainstream/successful ones, who ever mention or understand the concept of rights.

    You read socialists and think you are reading conservatives.
    But hey you refuse to learn.
    I’ve never met a libertarian who understood the concept of responsibility or common sense.

    Ideologues one and all.

  62. Glen Turner

    What “superior economic management”? Where, who, how?
    I see an economy about to get smashed from all sides.

  63. Leo G

    struth, G as a percentage of GDP grew from a peak of 25.7% under Howard to 26.1% under Rudd and then to 26.6% under Turnbull as of 2016

    No, Federal government spending shrank from a peak of 25.7% to 23.6% under Howard, then grew under Rudd to 26.1% and was 26.6% in 2016 under Turnbull.
    All Australian governments spending to GDP for the last year reported (2016) was an all-time high (since 1998) of 36.2%, with government debt to GDP in Australia at 41.9% in 2017.

  64. What you are is also quite gullible monty.
    GDP is a wank figure in it’s entirety.

    Okay struth, you’re a crank. No use arguing with you.

  65. Makka

    The traitors running this country fear a recession more than anything else.
    That’s why they won’t slash immigration

    Of course. +1 million.

    You quite wrongly assume Steve Kates that the LNP are Conservative. They are not. They are soft left. They are 100% behind q Big Australia so wishing them to slash immigration is absurd.

    If you look to Europe and those nations who have abandoned open borders and are strong on preserving their own culture, you will see most have endured under to yoke of Socialism.Until we experience our own version good and hard, dumb Australia will continue to merrily stroll down the path to becoming an Asian shithole.

  66. Robert Martin

    Monty,
    GDP growth from immigration is just a ponzi scheme. A pyramid built on debt that will ultimately come due.

    If I have to chose between my culture/posterity/heritage/identity – or mere money, I would choose my identity without hesitation.

    And frankly, capitalism is more than capable of functioning well with a population that is growing – or stable – or even declining. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t be worth supporting.

  67. Roger.

    Until we experience our own version good and hard, dumb Australia will continue to merrily stroll down the path to becoming an Asian shithole.

    Mass Immigration + Multiculturalism = Colonisation.

    There’ll be no coming back.

  68. struth

    Can’t answer, call your opponent a crank.

    Just answer me this.
    The greatest economic lard heads that do the most damage rave on about GDP.
    GDP with A G inthe formula which means the figure can be manipulated by a sector of society that has none of it’s own money and makes nothing.
    Private sector taxes build government roads.
    Is this crankonomics to you moonty?

  69. Boambee John

    Up the Workers at 1208

    Have every second election staffed and run exclusively by card-carrying members and financial donors to the Liberal Party – surely that would be just as fair and impartial (he says, tongue planted firmly in cheek).

    The concept of the independent, non-partisan, organisation is a farce. Everyone, everyone, has political opinions.

    This stupid concept has been used to justify organisations like the various electoral commissions, HRC and similar organisations that are inevitably staffed by left fascists.

    All such organisations, should they even exist, should be staffed by a mix of openly partisan people who keep an eye on each other. Politicians who try to sub-contract their responsibilities to organisations like the HRC, then staff them with their political mates, to give a fig leaf of impartiality should have their ministerial salaries reduced to pay for their puppets.

  70. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2709799, posted on May 13, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    The traitors running this country fear a recession more than anything else.
    That’s why they won’t slash immigration

    Patriotism: the recession we had to have.

    Yeah nah, not sure that slogan works.

    Keating used it around 1989, and stayed in power until 1996.

  71. Makka

    There’ll be no coming back.

    Unless things change there will definitely be no coming back.

  72. areff

    the most successful countries tend to be the ones that have had the laxest immigration regulations historically and so if anything the relationship is the opposite of that implied here.

    Friedman: You can’t have a welfare state and open borders.

    I recently spent a happy half hour at my local Centrelink, where I needed to get some documents endorsed to the satisfaction of US authorities. I kept count:

    Five sacked-up apparent females (eyes only visible)
    Nineteen hijabs and variants
    Seventy percent (guesstimate) of males sporting koranic chin whiskers.

    Simple path to a workable immigration policy: no call whatsoever on the public purse; outta here upon criminal conviction; probationary citizenship for the first 15 years’.

    Come here, you work. If you don’t, it’s the responsibility of family or sponsors to support you.

    That would fix immigration about two minutes flat.

  73. Roger.

    Unless things change there will definitely be no coming back.

    If present trends continue, a real possibility is some sort of Balkanisation of our cities: ethnic enclaves and no go zones with the occasional raid across the border by the reivers. Fortification and informal militias will arise in response, since the police can only function effectively with a people who acknowledge a social contract, which the reivers do not, apart from with the members of their own sect, that is.

  74. Crossie

    I think 50,000 illegal immigrants in the first eighteen months of a Labor government is likely. Then 50,000 in the 12 months after that then increasing 30% year on year.

    Whether they are illegal is immaterial when the legal entrants are around 200,000 pa, if the official figures can be believed.

    Labor’s illegals or Liberals’ legals, the outcome is the same. We need a complete pause like the US did in the 40s and 50s. What’s even more amazing from that era is that Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexicans who entered illegally.

  75. Crossie

    What does ‘I Love Lucy’ think?

    This is what cheeses me off the most, this woman has not been voted by anyone yet she seems to be driving most of government policies.

  76. Roger.

    This is what cheeses me off the most, this woman has not been voted by anyone yet she seems to be driving most of government policies.

    Maladroit promised a return to government by cabinet.

    What he didn’t say was that his cabinet was basically Lucy & Tom, plus his son in law as a junior minister.

  77. Crossie

    Voting Labor in the HoR to punish the LNP is cutting of your nose to spite your face. As I’ve said before there are certain LNP members that I could never vote for so I think I’d have to spoil my ballot paper. As I’m in a labor seat this issue is really academic for me re the HoR.

    Milton, #MeToo. I might spend some time in the voting booth working out which minor party to give my first option then give Labor last and Liberals second last.

  78. Crossie

    What he didn’t say was that his cabinet was basically Lucy & Tom, plus his son in law as a junior minister.

    Yes, and all the other ministers are so rabidly anti-Abbott that they will swallow any rubbish fed to them by Mal’s “Cabinet”. You know, anything rather than that man and his Delcons.

  79. Tel

    Sucking resources inflates GDP?

    That’s Keynesian economics in a nutshell. Implausible when you put it in simple terms, but dress it up with a whole lot of gibberish and a lot of people are convinced by it… errr, especially those people who are part of the resource sucking apparatus are the ones most deeply convinced.

  80. nemkat

    It might also offer the opportunity to finally retire some of those thousands of long-dead Labor(sic) voters from the A.E.C.-maintained rolls who have been devoutly voting (early and often) for Labor(sic) for decades and decades.

    You may remember before the 2013 Election, Tony Abbott promised that Bronwyn Bishop, as Speaker, would investigate the 16,000 cases of multiple voting at the 201o Election identified by the AEC.

    Never believe anything Tony Abbott says, he’s a pathological liar.

  81. Crossie

    A.L.P. – Always Looting the Peasantry!

    LIBS – Looking Into Bolstering Socialism.

  82. BorisG

    Can’t answer, call your opponent a crank.

    Yes that, struth, is your method. Including on this thread.

  83. candy

    You may remember before the 2013 Election, Tony Abbott promised that Bronwyn Bishop, as Speaker, would investigate the 16,000 cases of multiple voting at the 201o Election identified by the AEC.

    She took a helicopter trip and got terminated, nemkat.

    As was Tony Abbott halfway into the term.

    Ah, you are a died in the wool Abbott hater. Driven by hatred of a person called Tony Abbott for God knows what reason.

  84. Boambee John

    Roger.
    #2709986, posted on May 13, 2018 at 6:18 pm
    Unless things change there will definitely be no coming back.

    If present trends continue, a real possibility is some sort of Balkanisation of our cities: ethnic enclaves and no go zones with the occasional raid across the border by the reivers. Fortification and informal militias will arise in response, since the police can only function effectively with a people who acknowledge a social contract, which the reivers do not, apart from with the members of their own sect, that is.

    There is a sociological concept called Competitive Control Theory.

    Basically, populations respond to predictable, ordered system which tells them what to do to be safe. If a government will not provide for the safety of the population, someone else will step in and do so, perhaps for a fee, perhaps for the community.

    As a simple example, if African gangs continue to carry out carjackings and home invasions with no effective police action, then either local citizens will band together to provide security, or someobe (bikies?) will offer to do so for a fee.

    Call 13Bikie, we will be tgere in 5 minutes and use unrestrained force to solve your problem, $50 per household per week.

  85. nemkat

    She took a helicopter trip and got terminated, nemkat.

    As was Tony Abbott halfway into the term.

    They had 2 full years to clean up the Electoral rorts, and did nothing.
    Read Niki Savva’s The Road To Ruin, Candy.
    By the time they rolled Abbott, his colleagues wondered who he was working for.
    All they Knew: It wasn’t the Liberal Party.

  86. Neil

    Labor’s illegals or Liberals’ legals, the outcome is the same.

    No it is not. There are still 20,000 boat people in community detention left over from the Rudd/Gillard years costing us $1B/year. It would be cheaper for the country if those 20,000 were given permanent residency and let them go on the dole

  87. nerblnob

    Where do you get 20,000 from Neil?

  88. struth

    Listen here you complete crank boris.
    I back up my name calling with argument.
    Very big difference.
    There is no point to being on a blog like this otherwise.
    It would be called trolling.
    Suck it up , princess.

  89. Boris

    I back up my name calling with argument.

    If this were true name calling won’t be necessary.

  90. struth

    Name calling is never necessary.
    It’s fun.
    Back in yer hole , trainee space cadet.

    See, that’s having the decency to argue and respond.
    Much better than monty’s I have nothing so I’ll call you names.
    I have just argued with you.

    You uncircumcised scrotum sack.

  91. Leo G

    You may remember before the 2013 Election, Tony Abbott promised that Bronwyn Bishop, as Speaker, would investigate the 16,000 cases of multiple voting at the 201o Election identified by the AEC.

    Seems unlikely, given that Abbott’s main concern about fraudulent ballots for the 2010 election was related to the arbitrary decision of the High Court to invalidate Howard government legislation which closed electoral rolls on the day that an election was called.
    Do you have links to substantiate your claim?

  92. 3d1k

    Our permanent migration comes in around 200k per year, approx half sourced from our existing temporary entrants which number around 1.5m (including subclass 444, 650k alone) (2016) – so roughly 100k new arrivals per year.

    Which part of our migration intake do people want to change: permanent, temporary or both.

    This is an area where generally there is much confusion.

  93. Neil

    Where do you get 20,000 from Neil?

    Found this

    https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/ReportsandPublications/Documents/statistics/ima-bve-dec-2017.pdf

    If I have read the link correctly Table 1 says there are 19,590 people living in the community on bridging visa E. I believe the cost is $1b/year. It would be cheaper if they were given permanent residence and put them on the dole. Apparently they are now in limbo since both majors have said no boat arrivals will be allowed to settle in Australia

  94. Leo G

    This is an area where generally there is much confusion.

    Associated with that 1.5m growing pool of temporary entrants are the 400,000 temporary visas (overseas students and 457s but not including subclass 444 Kiwis) now granted each year.

  95. Combine Dave

    If immigration had any causal relationship to the success or failure of a country then the Middle East, South America’s and Africa would be as successful as Japan or something.

    Most Middle Eastern, South American or African countries have relatively porous borders due to mass legal and illegal movement and displacement caused by poverty, violent conflict etc.

    Their policies do not resemble Japan’s and they are not as successful as Japan. Coincidence?

    If anything this is further proof that countries which are not in control of their borders and immigration intake are literally one step away from failed state status (no doubt why antistatist libertarians actually support this).

    Countries which have copied Japan’s example in word and deed are very rich and prosperous standing out from among their neighbors as havens of economic growth and prosperity without the need to be propped up by an immigration driven population growth ponzi scheme.

    A few examples where both massive immigration restrictions and unparalleled economic prosperity and opportunities exist:

    + ROC, Taiwan
    + SKorea
    + New Zealand (to be fair their erroneous immi restrictions have only been place since 2017)
    + Japan
    + PRC, China
    + Switzerland

  96. Combine Dave

    e 19,590 people living in the community on bridging visa E. I believe the cost is $1b/year. It would be cheaper if they were given permanent residence and put them on the dole.

    Deportion is the only valid recourse.

    Statists have no right to tax the fruit for my labor and to redistribute to new arrivals, esp as the voting public have proclaimed a resounding ‘No!’ at both prior elections to this idea.

    (Besides where is the evidence that placing them onto the dole would result in a decrease on that $1 billion p/a?)

    Due to ever ratcheting welfare, housing assistance ,public health, the policing costs of adding further unskilled/unemployables to the economy (and likely impacts on crime) allowing in illegal entrants like this represents a massive boost to the size of the state and its interests.

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