Open Forum: May 12, 2018

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  1. C.L.

    Collude with Russians here.

  2. Rafe

    A nice warm evening in Vienna.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    What is the number 1 issue with Euro voters?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/994897239003844608/photo/1

    What a surprise.

  4. I assume 3 for all of them is “why is Australia in Eurovision”.

  5. Mark A

    Rafe
    #2708979, posted on May 12, 2018 at 12:19 am

    A nice warm evening in Vienna.

    You are enjoying it too, we just arrived yesterday for an other 9 months stint.
    Off to Germany tomorrow, on a job, no rest for the righteous.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    My goodness. It is an absolute disgrace the father is being blamed for the Margs Massacre.

    He needs to sue.

  7. JC

    Accomplished historian and and Outbacker, Serena recently admonsihed people here for speaking against John McCain’s war record. Some people here, including myself suggested it was flimsy and that Trump was right in suggesting POW status doesn’t make someone a war hero. She (Serena) suggested McCain was tortured because he wouldn’t speak against his country and that made him a war hero.

    Here’s McCain doing a Tokyo Rose impersonation while a POW. Trump was right, hero he ain’t.

    McCain is a poisonous douchebag who huts anyone he ever comes close to if they’re GOPers.

    Someone released the tape because they’ve obviously had enough of this sack of shit and want people to know the truth before he snuffs it. Frankly he can’t go soon enough.

  8. OneWorldGovernment

    Have you seen the new environmental ‘laws’ the filth in Canberra just voted for us?

    And the vote actually occurred and Australian quislings voted for it.

    Here is what James Delingpole had to say about it before the vote.

    UN Pushes for ‘Paris Agreement on Steroids’

    The United Nations is to vote later this week for a climate treaty “on steroids” – stronger, more all-encompassing and more legally binding than the ailing Paris accord.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/09/un-pushes-for-paris-agreement-on-steroids/

  9. OneWorldGovernment

    The US Veteran community know John McCain

    Lt. Gen. McInerney Rebukes John McCain on Torture: It Worked on John. That’s Why They Called Him “Songbird John”

    Lt General Thomas McInerney condemned Sen. John McCain’s rebuke of President Trump’s CIA director nominee Gina Haspel, saying that torture “worked on” McCain, whom he referred to as “Songbird John.”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/lt-gen-mcinerney-rebukes-john-mccain-on-torture-it-worked-on-john-thats-why-they-called-him-songbird-john-video/

  10. Mark A

    Re J McCain, I always had an odd feeling about him, couldn’t put my finger on it, this latest revelations are explaining some of the oddities about him.

    Someone remarked before, that the smartest thing he’s done when running for president, was asking S Palin to run as his vice pres.

  11. OneWorldGovernment

    Proof positive that it was the Israeli’s who influenced the American election.

    Mind you it is documented that Obama tried to get rid of Bibi N.

    “Trump Make Israel Great” Signs Pop Up in Jerusalem Week Before US Embassy Opening

    Although several presidents promised to move the US embassy to Jerusalem only President Trump kept his word.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/trump-make-israel-great-signs-pop-up-in-jerusalem-week-before-us-embassy-opening/

  12. OneWorldGovernment

    So it begins.

    After reports of Germany increasing its army outside of NATO we now have this,

    Merkel Teams Up with Putin to Save Iran Deal

    Posted by Vijeta Uniyal Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:00am

    Merkel calls Iranian President to “affirm Germany’s commitment to the deal”

    Days after U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to walk away from the Iran nuclear deal, Germany has joined hands with its arch-rival Russia in order to rescue the troubled agreement. As part of a diplomatic campaign to rally support for the agreement, German Chancellor Angela Merkel dispatched Foreign Minister Heiko Maas to Moscow on Tuesday.

    Germany works with Putin all the time.

    If it wasn’t for Russian gas German industry would be in dire straights from mad merkle’s EU Greeny crap.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/05/merkel-teams-up-with-putin-to-save-iran-deal/

  13. OneWorldGovernment

    And Trump’s ambassador to Germany steps straight up to the microphone.


    Richard Grenell

    @RichardGrenell

    As @realDonaldTrump said, US sanctions will target critical sectors of Iran’s economy. German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/05/us-envoy-tells-german-companies-to-wind-down-operations-in-iran-immediately/

  14. Mark A

    “German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.”

    What else is he wishing for Christmas?
    Get real.

  15. OneWorldGovernment

    Lucky I’m deaf.

    Anyone that isn’t is just a programmed zombie.

    THE INTERNET OF THINGS: Researchers can now send secret audio instructions undetectable to the human ear to Apple’s Siri, Amazon’s Alexa and Google’s Assistant.

    A group of students from University of California, Berkeley and Georgetown University showed in 2016 that they could hide commands in white noise played over loudspeakers and through YouTube videos to get smart devices to turn on airplane mode or open a website.

    This month, some of those Berkeley researchers published a research paper that went further, saying they could embed commands directly into recordings of music or spoken text. So while a human listener hears someone talking or an orchestra playing, Amazon’s Echo speaker might hear an instruction to add something to your shopping list.

    “We wanted to see if we could make it even more stealthy,” said Nicholas Carlini, a fifth-year Ph.D. student in computer security at U.C. Berkeley and one of the paper’s authors.

    Mr. Carlini added that while there was no evidence that these techniques have left the lab, it may only be a matter of time before someone starts exploiting them.

    May?

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/296474/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pjmedia%2Finstapundit+%28Instapundit%29

    AND

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/technology/alexa-siri-hidden-command-audio-attacks.html

  16. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2708997, posted on May 12, 2018 at 3:19 am

    “German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.”

    What else is he wishing for Christmas?
    Get real.

    LOL

    It’s going to be interesting.

    I think we’re going to find out how well NATO and the EU stand up!

    Popcorn time.

  17. Mark A

    Tom, come on already with the toons, it’s 7:30PM here and I’m ready to fall asleep, still not used to EU time.

  18. Mark A

    facechook
    to top it off I developed an excruciating ear ache on the plane and now looking for a doc, naturally none available on short notice.
    /facechook

  19. Baldrick

    Cheers Tom. First Glenn McCoy wins today.

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    Gee Tom thanks — what a wonderful collection for a wet grey Saturday – so hard to pick but for Australia I love Zanetti and internationally I think Ben Garrison

  21. Tintarella di Luna

    Child carer’s horror house of evil clowns and cruel abuse

    This is the headline = which is totally inaccurate she’s not a carer she’s a ‘don’t carer’ –FC as she’s known (ostesnsibly to protect the privacy of the children but actually protecting the out-and-out evil and incompetence of the bureaucracy) claimed to be Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander so that was sufficient = no challenging no checking because racism or maybe its was don’t-give-a-damnism:

    NT Children’s Commissioner Colleen Gwynne’s report also ­describes the carer’s claims to be both Aboriginal and non-­Aboriginal going unchallenged, her undisclosed mental health history and that she was the subject of numerous child abuse and neglect claims that did not stop children being placed with her.

    Doubts about the carer’s suitability were flagged from the early 1980s when the woman — who has several biological children — sought financial help from welfare authorities on 30 occasions. The Weekend Australian has learned one of her biological children was the subject of child protection reports dating back as far as 2003. One report also questioned the carer’s state of mind.

    On three occasions, FC completed a carer application form nominating as Aboriginal, but in the interview process she said she was born to European parents who moved to Australia and that she was not Aboriginal. She was subsequently recorded as both a non-Aboriginal carer and Aboriginal carer, and children were placed in her care because she was viewed as “meeting the children’s cultural and identity needs”.

    Commissioner Gwynne said Territory Families “failed in their duty of care” towards five children,

  22. rickw

    “German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.”

    What else is he wishing for Christmas?
    Get real.

    The Germans love the mullah’s. When I was in Tehran (working for the Germans), it was either Chinese or German engineers.

    US companies are very focused on compliance. Sulzer (Swiss) is already on their banned list over Iran, I believe they’re having pump, compressor and engine orders cancelled all over the place.

    That’s going to hurt a lot, on top of that the next alternate suppliers are most likely American companies. Looks like more winning to me!

  23. rickw

    My goodness. It is an absolute disgrace the father is being blamed for the Margs Massacre.

    He needs to sue.

    Our mentally ill media can bend any story to fit the White Male narrative.

  24. Herodotus

    It’s the sheer weight of propaganda output that keeps the incurious voter snowed.

    The BBC is plugging its program “Islands On The Frontline” where reporter Regina Lepping visits her home land (the Solomons) to find rising sea levels and disappearing beaches due to climate change.

  25. Was John McCain the Left’s intended American stooge and quisling, in the same way as the Turncoat is ours?

  26. Herodotus

    Thanks Tom, and thanks Mak Siccar above for the link to another study showing the same weight of propaganda re fracking has overwhelmed both the public and the politicians who are supposed to run things in a sensible and considered fashion – but get swept away by the tsunami of bs on gas extraction as well as climate and CO2.

  27. Megan

    Thanks, Tom. The toons always start my morning.

  28. Herodotus

    The prestigious Lancet medical journal has published a disingenuous editorial falsely attributing seven million deaths from air pollution to “climate change.”

    The effects of climate change are inextricably entwined with health,” the May 12 editorial begins, “ranging from the WHO estimate of 7 million deaths from breathing polluted air indoors and outdoors” to a series of other harmful consequences.

    Breitbart

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    Thanks Tom! McCoy’s is the one for me. Brutal…

    The Oz has a couple of nice cartoons by Lobbecke this morning, I don’t subscribe but here are the headlines associated with them since they need context:

    Election combat starts here, as Turnbull and Shorten clash (Lobbecke #1)

    Morrison squibs tax reform in budget but sets trap for Labor (Lobbecke #2)

  30. Herodotus

    It has become fashionable, it seems, for clean energy fanatics to refer to Tasmania as The Battery of the Nation.
    There are two problems with this verbal sleight of hand, however. One is the blanket ban on dams to create more throughput, and more generators to generate. The belief in pumping water uphill as some sort of solution is being elevated to fake news status on a daily basis.
    Secondly, as Jo Nova reports, the Bass Straight interconnector is out of action again.

    http://joannenova.com.au

  31. Bruce of Newcastle

    rising sea levels and disappearing beaches due to climate change.

    BS all right:

    Climate change causes beaches to grow by 3,660 square kilometres (3 May)

    satellite images show that 24% of our beaches shrank, while 28% grew

    That’s globally. As for islands disappearing, they might want to ask just how Graham Island was submerged by climate change…in 1831.

  32. Herodotus

    With nuclear nobbled by the actions of the left, but some growing acknowledgment of the efficacy of hydro, it’s time – time to identify all the potential sites for new dams and new hydro-electricity schemes around Australia, not just in Tasmania.
    Just look for rivers with strong flows backing onto some elevated landforms to give height to the headstocks, those huge pipes that feed the column of water down to the turbine halls.
    It takes a lot of earthworks, rock works, and comcrete works. Some flora and fauna will be inconvenienced.
    But these schemes deliver, while pumping water uphill dithers, at great expense.

  33. Old School Conservative

    Thanks Tom. Always a great start to the day.

  34. Delta A

    Glen McCoy for me, also. Thanks Tom.

  35. Herodotus

    The Mitchell River near Melbourne might have potential ( it floods a lot!), then there’s the Shoalhaven near Nowra, and the Bellinger up North backed by the Dorrigo plateau, and several other big rivers between Newcastle and the QLD border. There are probably a dozen sites with potential around the mainland as well as those which were kyboshed in Tassie by the mega-trendy No Dams push which launched Bob Brown and The Greens.

  36. Old School Conservative

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2708992, posted on May 12, 2018 at 2:24 am
    Lt General Thomas McInerney condemned Sen. John McCain’s rebuke of President Trump’s CIA director nominee Gina Haspel, saying that torture “worked on” McCain, whom he referred to as “Songbird John.”

    Steyn has re-posted his in-depth interview with the man who knows more about those methods than anybody else: James E Mitchell. “In an extended conversation about his book Enhanced Interrogation, Dr Mitchell talks to Steyn about waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.”
    Well worth listening to.

  37. Delta A

    If you thought Yvette Coppersmith’s self portrait unworthy of the Archibald Prize, you’re not alone. Christopher Allen, The Australian’s national art critic, gives it the rubbishing it deserves. From The $Oz:

    What were the judges thinking?

    The Art Gallery of NSW Trustees’ award for this year’s Archibald Prize reminds me of the old saying that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

    The decision is almost embarrassing in its ineptitude: can a group of people who think that Yvette Coppersmith’s painting is the best in this exhibition really be responsible for a state gallery?

    Coppersmith’s oeuvre is mediocre at best and most noteworthy for the number of self-portraits that she has produced, gratuitously disparate in style and yet uniform in their superficiality.

    This time she has had the idea of painting herself in the manner of George Lambert, which has unfortunately only made painfully clear the chasm that separates her from Lambert’s extraordinary flair and virtuosity.

    Her paint handling is clumsy, the colours are lurid, and the anatomy of the figure is inaccurate.

    It is almost incredible to think that any judge could even consider this a plausible candidate for the prize, especially when the finalists included works of powerful authenticity such as Nicholas Harding’s selfportrait, or of depth and mastery like Robert Hannaford’s image of himself in the studio, contemplating his own finished work.

  38. Gab

    If you think Coppersmith painting was crap, have a look at the other winners.

    https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/archibald-wynne-sulman-prizes-2018/

    These “judges” are insane.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe Harding and Hannaford should paint themselves in dresses next year.

  40. miltonf

    If you think Coppersmith painting was crap, have a look at the other winners.

    Cultural Marxism

  41. Rae

    From the OT:

    Hillary appears in Melbourne with scarf swathed high around her neck so that it is completely masked and has a stiff, cautious handshake with Gillard before kicking off their session, and only on the Cat is this identified for what it is: she’s in a neck brace.

    Why ? And what would it take for a journo here to write this or even to hint that she is in fragile health ?

    Ah, Max. You have a sad case of anti-Hillary-it is. Neck brace? Fragile health? No way. She is just following the very popular fashion of middle-aged and older women who take to wearing scarves around their necks, especially in the cooler weather. I’m sure any of the older Kittehs can confirm this for you. Delta A was here this morning. Ask her.

    [PS: Had you criticized Gillard’s outfit I’d have agreed wholeheartedly with you. And the nasal drone was as bad as ever.]

  42. Gab

    Indeed, Milton. Prizes obviously awarded based on the description of the paintings, not the actual paintings.

  43. Some History

    Much exquisite art going to waste.
    Self portrait:

    https://imgur.com/sXkOPCF

  44. Some History

    Self portrait (photography)

    https://imgur.com/X17a0x9

    TRIPLE
    WARNING

    – Do NOT view within 1 hour of meals.
    – May cause temporary blindness.
    – Possible dizziness and revulsion.
    – Nightmares may persist for several days after viewing.

  45. Tailgunner

    History – that’s not adding value to the forum!
    No more War Pigs on the Cat. Life, as a smoker, is too short!

  46. C.L.

    He’s back in the news … and he aint heading to Switzerland to be put down like that other loathsome centenarian:

    Richard Overton, America’s oldest veteran — and oldest person, period — is cooler than you. That’s because Overton is cooler than pretty much everyone. The WWII veteran turned a stunning 112 years old today, and will be celebrating at his home with his favorite whiskey and cigars, surrounded by the friends and family who are determined to allow him to live as independently as he can for as long as possible…

    He has consistently thanked God, whiskey, and his favorite cigars (Tampa Sweet Perfectos, a dozen a day) for his longevity. When Comedian Steve Harvey asked Overton if there were any other secrets to a long life, Overton replied with his typical plainspoken humor, “Just keep living. Don’t die.”

    But for today, it’s all about celebrating. There will be the customary party on his front lawn, with children lined up to take their photo with him like he’s Santa Claus. Joining the festivities this year will be a DJ, food and drinks, and t-shirts that say “Keep Living, Don’t Die.”

  47. Delta A

    Janet Albrechtsen exposes Rebekha Sharkie’s ‘credibility problem’ in The $Oz today.

    I recently received an email from Sharkie, thanking me for my support over the years and assuring me that she will be back. My ‘support’ was in the form of emails, firstly asking her to use her parliamentary status to push for information on the whereabouts of Dr Ken Elliot. Her reply was that this wasn’t anything to do with her. (Apparently, it’s nothing to do with anyone in government.)

    Subsequent emails drew similar uninterested responses. I hope the Albrechtsen’s article is widely read by Mayo voters. The alternative, Georgina Downer, doesn’t inspire optimism, but a vote for Sharkie is a vote for Labor/Greens, as illustrated in the exerpt:

    Just recapping then, Sharkie has a credibility problem. And it was set to get even worse until her constitutional problems derailed her plans to join the Liberal team. The High Court’s citizenship decision against Labor senator Katy Gallagher this week forced Sharkie to resign from parliament and that effectively saved Sharkie from herself. Her resignation saved those in Liberal Party from making a shocking error of judgment, had they diluted the Liberal brand with someone who wasn’t fit to sit in the parliamentary partyroom.

    Before exploring Sharkie’s credibility problem, what exactly were some in the Liberal Party thinking? Even to explore turning this former NXT politician into a Liberal to stand in the seat of Mayo was plain dumb. Many within the party have told Inquirer that the call for SA Liberal president John Olsen to speak to Sharkie about switching parties came from Canberra, either from the Prime Minister’s office or Christopher Pyne. It was seen as a chance for Malcolm Turnbull to boost his slim parliamentary majority and further consolidate the power of the left flank in the Liberal Party.

    After all, the Turnbull government had embraced Lucy Gichuhi as a new Liberal. Gichuhi was a former member of Family First, then an independent in the Senate. In SA, the new Liberal government under Steven Marshall welcomed Dennis Hood into the Liberal fold too. Hood was a Family First MP who became state leader of the Australian Conservatives.

    So why not Sharkie? The answer is a no-brainer. Embracing Sharkie as a Liberal MP was the equivalent of raising the middle finger to the Liberal Party and to Liberal voters. Any short-term boost to numbers in the lower house would have been quickly undone by the long-term stench of accepting Sharkie as the Liberal MP for Mayo. The pong comes from her parliamentary voting record: as an NXT MP, Sharkie voted against the Coalition government’s welfare reforms, childcare changes, laws to strengthen Australian citizenship requirements, higher education reforms, Fair Work laws and registered organisations. She voted against a bill about firearms trafficking, and sided with Labor and the Greens to denounce the Turnbull government’s migration policy.

    Plenty of people are asking whether the plan to present Sharkie as a Liberal to the voters of Mayo was another one of Pyne’s crazier backroom machinations to plump up his own South Australian power base. Done under the cover of boosting Turnbull’s numbers, it also could have helped Pyne, should he ever raise his hand in a leadership contest. If so, the plan failed dismally, after an inevitable and furious backlash from genuine Liberals in South Australia.

    And happily, Liberal voters in Mayo won’t be lumped with Sharkie as the faux Liberal candidate at the next federal election. After Sharkie resigned from parliament, Georgina Downer let it be known that she wants to run for preselection in Mayo. Notwithstanding some local support for Sharkie, an element of citizenship sympathy that may flow her way, and some natural resistance to dynasty politics, Downer will be a formidable opponent.

  48. nemkat

    The family picture of the Margaret River victims tells a story: a self absorbed woman wearing a dress that accentuates her bust, and four myopic children.
    Photo on page 2 of The Australian, accompanying the N.T. indigenous foster care scandal, without reading the caption, one might assume it to be the evil foster carer [ it’s the N.T. Children’s commissioner].

  49. Delta A

    A lovely story, C.L. Long live Richard Overton.

  50. Some History

    It’s A Beautiful Morning – The Rascals

  51. duncanm

    re: Margaret River shooting — despite all media insinuation to the contrary, the “stalking ex” sounds like he had good reason to be fearful for his children. He is one of the victims in this horrendous crime.

  52. Gab, I’ve seen some rubbish paintings in my life, but that lot take the cake. Except for one, and even then the clarity of the work is diminished by the subject.

  53. Tailgunner

    When are we going to have a conversation about Toxic Femininity?
    These hoes are out of control!

  54. nemkat

    The woman looks like a lifelong headcase, the Dad should’ve worked that out before having 4 kids with her.

  55. Re Margaret River. Well, I just watched the news on Sunrise at 8 and they ran the headline: Grandfather suspected.

  56. nemkat

    Femininity isn’t toxic, and you sound like a misogynist,Tail gunner.

  57. egg_

    The new fred brought to you by the New Reality s.44 c/- the Wongbot.

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Re Margaret River. Well, I just watched the news on Sunrise at 8 and they ran the headline: Grandfather suspected.

    The phone call to the cops will be telling.
    Who made it and what they said.
    Maybe that is what the report is based on.

  59. duncanm

    Police were last night working on the theory that the man who made that call was the killer and among the dead.

  60. Ragu

    Ms Downer had been based in Melbourne working as a lawyer after a career as a diplomat.

    For most of its existence, the seat of Mayo was held by her father.

    Situation normal. Wannabe career pollie gets shafted by hereditary career pollie

  61. Dave in Marybrook

    Beautiful sunrise here, with a roasted pink horizon and a few mare’s-tails of cloud. It’s like October all over again, sunscreen all around for waidjilas.
    I’d go down to the MR farmers’ market, but the kids are soccering. Phoned a mate from Osmington, he’s up north.
    One comment- for all the guff being spoke about “wonderful and involved deeply in the community”, it’s a No from me. The Myleses, led by one of the grown-ups, were deeply not involved in the community, they were typical eco-millenials that tried to paint the education community as inept and the farming community as corrupt.

  62. Top Ender

    It’s the caption that won the prize in this Archibald section winner:

    Kaylene Whiskey
    Title
    Kaylene TV
    Medium
    acrylic on linen
    Dimensions
    76 x 101 cm
    Further information
    This is my painting about two strong kungkas (women). Cher is singing a song on the microphone; she is having a great time because her boots have silver spurs and are really tall above her knees. Dolly Parton is wearing the pink overalls with pockets. Dolly has been skateboarding at the shops. She must have bought that Christmas present for Cher because they are good friends, they like to sing together! Kaylene TV is playing some good songs like Rage, and there is a big mingkulpa (local native tobacco) plant growing underneath the good boomerangs.

    Kaylene Whiskey, 2018

  63. Leigh Lowe

    Ms Downer had been based in Melbourne working as a lawyer after a career as a diplomat.

    For most of its existence, the seat of Mayo was held by her father.

    What we know is that a vote for the Downer dynasty us a vote for the politics of Clinton and Gillard.

  64. rickw

    Police were last night working on the theory that the man who made that call was the killer and among the dead.

    Sounds like the fix is on.

  65. Gary

    Thanks C.L

    Do you think charities are being corrupted by seeking government funding?

  66. Tailgunner

    Go check the mounting bolts on the dog pool ramp, Numbat.

  67. Ragu

    What we know is that a vote for the Downer dynasty us a vote for the politics of Clinton and Gillard.

    But not a vote for Pyne. Tough call

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Two more Labor MPs face questions over there citizenship

    The Australian
    12:00AM May 12, 2018

    Ben Packham
    Political Reporter
    Canberra

    Constitutional experts have warned that the fallout from parliament’s citizenship crisis isn’t over, amid fresh questions over the status of two Labor MPs — Emma Husar and Emma McBride.

    Parliament’s citizenship register shows both MPs sought to renounce foreign citizenship, but no evidence is provided that their ­applications were received or acted upon.

    Constitutional lawyer George Williams predicted “chaos” at the next election, especially if the result was close, as candidates and political parties challenged opponents on the basis of alleged dual citizenship.

    The major political parties have ramped-up their vetting of candidates in the wake of the citizenship crisis, which this week claimed a further five MPs. Particular scrutiny will fall on current MPs whose citizenship register declarations appear incomplete.

    Professor Williams, the dean of law at the University of NSW, said there would be “great scope for litigation and mischief-making” under section 44 of the Constitution, with election results challenged on the grounds of alleged dual citizenship.

    “We are talking about large numbers of people, many of whom will not have the capacity to do any vetting,” he said. “A lot of sloppiness is going to be involved, and I do not have any doubt that there will be large numbers of candidates at the next election who are ineligible to run.”

    Ms Husar, the member for the marginal Western Sydney seat of Lindsay, sent a letter to the Polish consul-general on May 24, 2016, acknowledging she may have ­acquired Polish citizenship through her paternal grandfather. In the letter, sent 16 days before the close of nominations for the 2016 election, she renounces “all allegiance, obedience or adherence to Poland, and renounce Polish citizenship

    From the Oz. A competent Government would be having Bill Shorten on toast over this issue.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Tom.
    Ramirez for me.
    The moral high ground the Euros are taking over Iran is, in fact, a pile of cash.

  70. nemkat

    You don’t like women, do you, Tailgunner.
    It’s in the moniker, i suppose, as another commenter has noted.

  71. Dan Dare

    Some History
    To anyone contemplating a dawn buster, that link is Kryptonite.

  72. What was that piccy of Shorten wearing an egg hat all about?

  73. Tailgunner

    I don’t like them in the Grigorian sense, no.

  74. Leigh Lowe

     A competent Government would be having Bill Shorten on toast over this issue.

    Even for Trumble, the lack of appetite for the fight is bizarre.
    Lucy must have severe reservations about playing hard balls.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Police were last night working on the theory that the man who made that call was the killer and among the dead.

    West Australia coppers have made a statement saying they aren’t looking for any suspects, at this point it looks like the grandfather.

  76. Ragu

    You have to wonder about people sometimes.

    The South Oz liberals have chosen bromhidrosis over halitosis.

  77. egg_

    Constitutional experts have warned that the fallout from parliament’s citizenship crisis isn’t over, amid fresh questions over the status of two (nore) Labor MPs

    No wonder Tits is declaring/wishing for a ‘New Reality’.

  78. Nick

    Does the Oz have subs? ‘There’ citizenship ?

  79. nemkat

    From the Oz. A competent Government would be having Bill Shorten on toast over this issue.

    Correct, Zulu.
    Turnbull’s problem is Falinski and Frydenberg, and probably a few others. The advantage is definitely with the Liberal Party, but they can’t have their cake and eat it too.
    ATM, Shorten’s plan is to campaign on the unfairness of it all, 50% of the population aren’t eligible to stand, etc., etc..
    Susan Lamb is standing again, and she still hasn’t renounced U.K. Citizenship.
    I don’t blame her, Longman’s always a Marginal, and she’ll get beat sooner or later, whereas entitlement to U.K. Citizenship has been described as ”winning the lottery of life”.

  80. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Does the Oz have subs? ‘There’ citizenship ?

    There is some caustic comment on that matter, on there website, indeed.

  81. Gary;

    Do you think charities are being corrupted by seeking government funding?

    Charities were corrupted by being infested with Lefty social workers and Green/Labor hopefuls who were being stockpiled in well paid jobs.
    Scoring money off the government is just what they do.

  82. Ragu

    Constitutional lawyer George Williams predicted “chaos” at the next election, especially if the result was close,

    It wouldn’t need to be close if the AEC did it’s job.

    Oh, hang on. It’s not part of their remit. Every candidate is taken on good faith. Oh. Sounds like the legislature should handball vetting of candidates to the AEC so the shit doesn’t hit the fan.

  83. ZK2A;

    Two more Labor MPs face questions over there citizenship

    I see the work experience gang is on duty at the Australian.

  84. Nick

    whereas entitlement to U.K. Citizenship has been described as ”winning the lottery of life”.

    If you’re Nigerian.

  85. nemkat

    Does the Oz have subs? ‘There’ citizenship ?

    Maybe in Manila. Or Kazakhstan.
    Jennifer Oriel was talking about a woman chopping up ”timber palettes” the other day.

  86. egg_

    entitlement to U.K. Citizenship has been described as ”winning the lottery of life”.

    Always back self-interest with pollies.

  87. nemkat

    Not Just Nigerian.
    Mohammed Al-Fayed donated 500,000 pounds to the Conservative Party around 1990, they still couldn’t grant him U.K. Citizenship.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    How come this didn’t win? It’s yellow.
    https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/prizes/wynne/2018/30038/

    I love the description:

    Phosphorus extends the conception of conventional landscape painting. Though profoundly about ‘place’, it is not rooted in location. My concern is to invoke a condition, the spirit of place that is conceptually framed by time and the accumulation of experience.

    Going splat on a canvas with some yellow paint is now a “landscape”. Sure does extend the conception of conventional landscape painting. Maybe if she’d also entered it as a self-portrait and a religious painting she’d’ve won all three prizes with it.

  89. Snoopy

    Constitutional lawyer George Williams predicted “chaos” at the next election, especially if the result was close,

    Shut up, George. There will be no chaos if all candidates unambiguously comply with the Constitution. It might help if the AEC stated that it would seek to have candidates who failed to comply with the Constitution so charged in court.

  90. Nick

    It might help if the AEC stated that it would seek to have candidates who failed to comply with the Constitution so charged in court.

    Or repay the cost of a by-election.

  91. Some History

    How come this didn’t win? It’s yellow.
    https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/prizes/wynne/2018/30038/

    It looks like my buttered toast in the morning.

  92. H B Bear

    Georgina, “I want a pony too Daddy. Anna’s got one.”

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It might help if the AEC stated that it would seek to have candidates who failed to comply with the Constitution so charged in court.

    Or repay the cost of a by-election.

    Both valid suggestions.

  94. H B Bear

    Weekend’s here.

    Get out ya socks.

  95. Rae

    It might help if the AEC stated that it would seek to have candidates who failed to comply with the Constitution so charged in court.

    Agreed. It would be even better if the AEC or the House of Reps Speaker and the Senate President stated that costs, including salaries and benefits paid, would be recovered from those making false statements on their nomination forms.

  96. Geriatric Mayfly

    I love the description:
    Phosphorus extends the conception of conventional landscape painting. Though profoundly about ‘place’, it is not rooted in location. My concern is to invoke a condition, the spirit of place that is conceptually framed by time and the accumulation of experience.

    Pray tell why this sort of shit needs reams of explanation in the first place. It seems always to go with the territory. I am happy in any gallery, simply to read the title, eg. Las Meninas, and note the artist’s name.

  97. OldOzzie

    Tom,

    thanks as always

    3 Joint Winners today

    Ben Garrison

    Nate Beeler

    Glen McCoy

  98. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/oct/04/julie-bishop-on-ivanka-trump-that-president-produced-that-daughter-interesting

    “That president” sneers frankenstabby bishop.

    While gloating that she has turned a recruit to work for their Gillard government-in-exiles policy to bring Stalinism to the small countries of the Pacific using Emily’s List as a model.

    Their Julie Gillard-in-exile bishop.

    How many Gillard policies has leaky mcleakyface bishop overturned?. how many has it boosted funding to?.

    No wonder China is walking into the Pacific with Australia nagging and forcing bishopy-gillardism down their throats .

  99. Percy Porcelain

    I have given enthusiastic consent to my self driving nazi pug Putin aligning itself in a carbon neutral fashion.

    One is always grateful for the wins, however seemingly insignificant.

  100. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Or repay the cost of a by-election.

    I’m suggesting that the party that accepted the nomination, without doing proper background checks, should be liable for the cost of the by – election. It would teach the Labor Party in Western Australia a hard lesson…

  101. zyconoclast

    Former Dem Congressman Says He’s Moving To Africa After Third Conviction

    Mel Reynolds used to be a Democratic congressman from Chicago but now he’s “given up on America” after his third criminal conviction Thursday.

    As Fox News reports, Reynolds says he is planning to move to Africa when he gets out of prison after his latest six-month stint.

    Judge Robert Gettleman convicted Reynolds, 66, of tax fraud after the ex-politician did not report more than $400,000 in income earned from consulting work for Chicago businessman working in Zimbabwe.

  102. nemkat

    Suggestions that Turnbull might have S44 problems due to his mother being the child of Poms, therefore never being an Australian Citizen herself, have gone quiet lately.
    She was later a Perfesser at an American Ladies College, surely a gig requiring U’S’Citizenship.

    No wonder he’s reluctant to grasp that nettle.

  103. zyconoclast

    A group of centrist House Republicans defied Speaker Paul Ryan on Wednesday (May 9) and launched an effort to force a vote on immigration legislation that would protect recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, the Obama-era program that shields immigrants who came to the United States as children from deportation.

    Several of the Republicans face tough re-election races in heavily Latinx districts and are worried about political liability if Congress fails to act on immigration. Ryan has urged the group to hold off until the Supreme Court decides on DACA’s fate.

  104. Baldrick

    Looks like a dreary Sockurday. Keep those big wheels scrollin’!

  105. Ragu

    including salaries and benefits paid, would be recovered from those making false statements on their nomination forms.

    The wording of the constitution is explicit on that; those found ineligible are liable to be sued by the public.

    The problem is that the parties control oversight, which is a glaring hole in the system. A competent manager would have moved a motion in the house, that candidates be vetted by the AEC beginning yesterday. It aint that hard.

    The fact it never happened suggests all sides of the Uniparty are guilty, and liable.

  106. OldOzzie

    What Might an Israel-Iran War Look Like?

    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Given their mutual resolve in meeting their completely contradictory objectives – Tehran’s resolve to turn Syria into a forward base for direct Iranian operations and Israel’s resolve to prevent it – the prospects are high that a war will break out between Iran and its proxies against Israel. The war will be mutually destructive, but Israel has one advantage Iran doesn’t – a public that is firmly behind its democratically elected government.

  107. Anthony

    My brother, in his last days suffering from a glio, was fed so much morphine he didn’t know whether he was coming or going. I doubt McCain is writing any of this shit.

  108. Gary

    Winston Smith

    Charities were corrupted by being infested with Lefty social workers and Green/Labor hopefuls who were being stockpiled in well paid jobs.
    Scoring money off the government is just what they do.

    +1

  109. zyconoclast

    So How Would Mandatory ‘Implicit Bias’ Testing and Training Work, Exactly?

    There’s a problem, though: Scientific testing has revealed that implicit bias training has no prophylactic effect on behavior at all. In theory, implicit bias tests measure the extent to which a person harbors unconscious racist thoughts and attitudes. The idea is that by becoming aware of these unknown biases, people will behave in a more egalitarian manner. The most widely used implicit bias test is Harvard’s Implicit Bias Test (IAT); that’s the same test Johnson suggested in the NAACP media advisory and op-ed.

    Sounds like how the NSW Govt admits that de-radicalization training does not work but will spend $$$ each year on it.

  110. Ragu

    Ultimate responsibility for the working of the house falls on the speaker.

    In the current round of shit, the Speaker should have initiated the change. As an institutionalised, I’m sure Monty will agree.

  111. John Constantine

    Their turnbullites have signed Australia up to their blue charter on ocean rights. “The Blue Charter would apply the 16 principles and values of the Commonwealth Charter to ocean governance. They include environmental protection, good governance, justice and peace, human rights and gender equality, and recognition of the needs of vulnerable nations and young people.”

    Lawyers can now use lawfare to crush deniers that do not progress gender equality for oceans by fighting climate change.

    Comrades.

  112. Nick

    The SMH’s travel letters are always a source of amusement. Today:

    SIEGE MENTALITY
    Is your image of Lebanon insecurity, hostility to Westerners and a country under siege? You couldn’t be more wrong.

    Followed by:

    EDTOR’S NOTE The Federal Government’s Smart Traveller website continues to recommend that Australians to “reconsider your need to travel” to Lebanon and recommends against travel to specific parts of the country.

  113. OK – I’m triggerered by really bad spelling mistakes.
    So sue me.

  114. zyconoclast

    ‘This is our religion, this is our pride’: Sikh motorcyclists now exempt from helmets in Alberta

    Whether he was the first or not is of little consequence to the 42-year-old. More important is that his fellow Sikhs are now allowed to express their religion while riding motorcycles in Alberta.

    On April 12 a ministerial order amending the Traffic Safety Act took effect, exempting bonafide members of the Sikh religion from wearing a helmet.

  115. Ragu

    Institionalist.

    This new Samsung spellwrecker is horrid, but occasionally close to the mark

  116. John Constantine

    We are a founding partner of the International Coral Reef Initiative which is designed to share best practice around the world and in 2018-20 Australia will co-chair the International Coral Reef Initiative.

    https://foreignminister.gov.au/speeches/Pages/2018/jb_sp_180429.aspx

    Their leaky mcleakyface bishop signs a capitulation document that means things like ponyfilth in queensland can deindustrialise agriculture in the state to save the reef.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-04/land-clearing-laws-tightened-as-farmers-fear-for-future/9722416

    Activists welcome this as a first step to Stalinism.

  117. nemkat

    A competent manager would have moved a motion in the house, that candidates be vetted by the AEC beginning yesterday. It aint that hard.

    That solution invests way too much power in the AEC to sign off on S44.
    We’ve seen where that sort of power leads with the various State Corruption Commissions.
    Endorsing a person with S44 liabilities gives the Parties the whip hand if the person concerned ever goes off reservation, so Parties should be liable for all costs, including High Court referrals [$11 Mil. so far].

  118. zyconoclast

    One third of white Britons don’t have any friends from an ethnic minority background

    In a recent article for BBC News, Professor Miles Hewstone outlined that having diverse groups of friends can stimulate creativity, encourage greater open-mindedness, and help develop more positive attitudes towards other groups.

    However, Professor Hewstone noted that the evidence suggests that people tend to make friends with people who are similar to them, and that this results in a greater belief in stereotypes about both our own groups and those of others.

  119. Some History;

    It looks like my buttered toast in the morning.

    I’ve seen stuff like that in a surgical drainage bottle during a liposuction/abscess removal.
    or…

    “Ode To A Small Lump Of Green Putty I Found In My Armpit One Midsummer Morning” is a poem by Grunthos the Flatulent.
    The Green version.

  120. C.L.

    It’s so easy for a determined lunatic to get a gun and kill multiple people in this country that even a grandfather can do it. Proving yet again that the efficacy of Howard’s Tough Gun Laws is a myth.

  121. zyconoclast

    It’s time to get real about gang violence in London

    Hey, Londoners — been stabbed or shot yet this week? Just thought I’d check as the place seems to resemble, in its violence, downtown Mogadishu right now — and indeed is graced with many of the same kinds of people.

  122. John Constantine;

    “That president” sneers frankenstabby bishop.

    Why isn’t there some way to deal with the problem of Liberals turning into Greens when they get elected?

  123. Ragu

    That solution invests way too much power in the AEC to sign off on S44.

    How?

  124. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/11/donald-trump-barack-obama-legacy

    “The room erupted as Obama pointed to a Photoshopped image of the then fantastical idea of a Trump White House, with three extra storeys, a giant “TRUMP” sign, a hotel, casino and golf course, a giant crystal chandelier, four gold columns and two women in swimwear drinking cocktails in the north lawn fountain.

    Four years later, Adam Gopnik of the New Yorker magazine would recall: “Trump’s humiliation was as absolute, and as visible, as any I have ever seen: his head set in place, like a man in a pillory, he barely moved or altered his expression as wave after wave of laughter struck him … he sat perfectly still, chin tight, in locked, unmovable rage.”

    Future historians may well ask: was this the moment that Trump resolved to storm the White House and tear down the Obama legacy?”

    Their smarmy left do their mocking all on the ‘we are us’ and ‘you are not us’ humour as weapon level.

    Comrades.

  125. Why isn’t there some way to deal with the problem of Liberals turning into Greens when they get elected?

    There is. It is called compost.

  126. Tom

    Can’t help yourself, CL (says he who was sucked in yet again).

  127. John Constantine

    “But extraordinarily, since inauguration day, the men have not spoken. Hudak described this as “odd”, noting a past example: the first person Obama called after the killing of Osama Bin Laden was George W Bush.”

    Comrade maaaate.

  128. the first person Obama called after the killing of Osama Bin Laden was George W Bush asking: “who do I do next?”

  129. nemkat

    C.L.
    #2709128
    It’s so easy for a determined lunatic to get a gun and kill multiple people in this country that even a grandfather can do it. Proving yet again that the efficacy of Howard’s Tough Gun Laws is a myth.

    He was a farmer, those guns would’ve been handy. No evidence he was a lunatic, although his daughter was a bit off, it’s just as likely he had a mental collapse, and lost his powers of reason.

  130. Nick

    Future historians may well ask: was this the moment that Trump resolved to storm the White House and tear down the Obama legacy?”

    Interesting that even the Left now admit that Obama now has no legacy. Speaks volumes.

  131. Snoopy

    The BBC is plugging its program “Islands On The Frontline” where reporter Regina Lepping visits her home land (the Solomons) to find rising sea levels and disappearing beaches due to climate change.

    Agitprop pure and simple. The Solomons are a geologically unstable volcanic island arc sitting over a subduction zone. Any changes in sea level are masked by much greater changes, both up and down, in land levels.

    Oh no! The sea level has dropped 3 metres!

  132. Top Ender

    his fellow Sikhs are now allowed to express their religion while riding motorcycles in Alberta

    No problems with this in a free society.

    So long as those who gets their heads smashed sign a release before riding, saying the rest of society does not have to pick up the bill for their hospital or ongoing expenses.

  133. C.L.

    No evidence he was a lunatic …

    Sure. Apart from killing his entire family, no evidence at all.

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    it’s time – time to identify all the potential sites for new dams and new hydro-electricity schemes around Australia, not just in Tasmania.

    Australia flows its wealth in water straight into the oceans on a daily basis.
    We have loads of water, and lots of land. Nature’s gifts indeed if only we used them.
    I’d still take some new coal-fired power for electricity and use damned water mainly for population growth, and as back up against Australia’s cyclical major droughts. If only the Israeli’s or Japanese had a say in it, Australia would blossom anew, for neither of these nations are scared of nation-building infrastructure.

  135. Ragu

    SfB,

    You appear to be saying that if candidates get signed off by the AEC it could lead them to getting bottles of Grange, or sitting on the board of SYD airport or burning down a printing press.

    Endorsing a person with S44 liabilities gives the Parties the whip hand if the person concerned ever goes off reservation,

    How?

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    oops. erratum. Not swearing with ‘damnation’ as in ‘damned’, but ‘dammed’. i.e. water in dams.

  137. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Egypt clears Anne Aly but legal doubts linger over MP’s dates

    The Australian
    12:00AM May 12, 2018

    Joe Kelly
    Political Reporter
    Canberra
    @joekellyoz
    Andrew Burrell
    WA Chief Reporter
    Perth
    @AndrewBurrell7

    Labor MP Anne Aly has produced a document from the Egyptian embassy in Canberra providing an assurance she relinquished her foreign citizenship on May 6, 2016, avoiding a conflict under section 44 of the Constitution and the prospect of a sixth “super Saturday” by-election.

    But Dr Aly has still not confirmed the date she nominated before the 2016 double-dissolution election, which could prove problematic following Wednesday’s High Court decision, with some lawyers also questioning the accuracy of the statement issued by the Egyptian embassy.

    Melbourne Law School professor Jeremy Gans wrote yesterday that Article 22 of the Egyptian nationality law stated that, to remove citizenship, the Egyptian government must issue and publish a decree that could not be applied retrospectively.

    “Aly’s register has no proof of the date of any decree by the Egyptian government, in particular whether it occurred before she nominated (on June 9, 2016). Worse, there’s no proof that the decree has been made at all. She may well still be Egyptian,” Professor Gans wrote on the Inside Story website.

    From the Oz. What’s the Islamic doctrine that it’s acceptable to lie to unbelievers? Any piece of paper will do, these kufar are too thick to notice.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s time to get real about gang violence in London

    Mr Khan is too busy, he has a jihad to pursue:

    London’s Khan Moves to Ban ‘Junk Food’ Adverts

    We won’t save you from being stabbed or shot, but we’ll make sure you don’t die from overeating.

  139. it’s time – time to identify all the potential sites for new dams and new hydro-electricity schemes around Australia, not just in Tasmania.

    There is a long list of East Gippsland rivers that are prime candidates.
    Has anyone calculated the p.a. total water flow into the sea from these rivers?
    It must be a megahuge number.

  140. Roger.

    Labor MP Anne Aly …

    Whether she’s a MP is currently in dispute.

  141. We won’t save you from being stabbed or shot, but we’ll make sure you don’t die from overeating.

    Constituents have complained that they need longer knives to get through the extra 6 inch layers of fat.

  142. Snoopy

    A competent manager would have moved a motion in the house, that candidates be vetted by the AEC beginning yesterday. It aint that hard.

    It is administratively difficult which is why the AEC is not required to vet any of the many other qualifications and disqualifications. What is missing are any meaningful consequences for those who make a false declaration either wilfully or negligently.

  143. Delta A

    Uhuh, not this time, C.L.

  144. nemkat

    Endorsing a person with S44 liabilities gives the Parties the whip hand if the person concerned ever goes off reservation,

    How?
    Well spotted, troll.
    I should’ve said ”Endorsing a person while being aware that the person is liable to be in breach of S44, etc….”

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Prior to 1983 only a father could gift British citizenship to his offspring, in a direct patriline. Mothers could only gift it after a legislative change in 1983 to remove ‘gender inequality’ in such gifting and it was not retrospective. Her own patriline could not be counted prior to 1983, which ruled out grandfathers on that side too. After 1983 the tracing could be on either side. So Malcolm Turnbull would have no claim to British citizenship via his mother as he was born before 1983.

    If she had taken American citizenship, perhaps he might have a claim there. I am unsure re this.

  146. Snoopy

    with some lawyers also questioning the accuracy of the statement issued by the Egyptian embassy.

    As Notafan noted yesterday, under which nationality did Aly study at the American University in Cairo? Maybe a journalist could ask Dr Aly MP?

  147. What is missing are any meaningful consequences for those who make a false declaration either wilfully or negligently.

    A company director who makes false declarations is in trouble.

  148. Baldrick

    Whether she’s a MP is currently in dispute.

    Definitely a Muslim Partisan.

  149. Geriatric Mayfly

    Femininity isn’t toxic
    Oh really?

    Femininity is a wondrous thing. Feminism is a toxic, destructive brew of industrial strength. In that hideous video clip, which keeps reappearing like an unflushable turd, the femininity of display could be measured against the mass of one half of one split hair.

  150. nemkat

    Re Anne Aly:
    It’s hard to see why she can’t renounce Egyptian Citizenship in a clear and transparent manner, since it shouldn’t be too hard for her to reclaim it once she;s turfed from office.
    One possibility could be that even though she was born in Egypt, neiter she nor her parents were ever Citizens of that Country.
    Which would then raise the question: Who is she?

  151. Armadillo

    Can’t help yourself, CL (says he who was sucked in yet again).

    CL is not to be trusted. Ever.

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I do know of a mother whose son was born in Australia and who has obtained an American passport for her son. She was born in the USA and so were both of her parents; she grew up in the USA and holds an American passport herself. That may make a difference.

    These legacy issues of ancestry are truly a tangled web and no-one but the descendant can be expected to sort out their individual circumstance. Why we should believe foreign powers regarding their paperwork (see Egypt) and why they should have the right to make fiat claims over individuals holding Australian passports, are difficult issues as well.

  153. Armadillo

    What is missing are any meaningful consequences for those who make a false declaration either wilfully or negligently.

    A new rule that the Cat desperately needs. I’m looking at you CL.

  154. Ragu

    The excuses are as porous as pumistone

    A penalty does exist, but it has been laughed off because it involves £’s. And no one is going to do that. Haw haw

    Snoopy’s comment is just shit.

    Now SfB is saying that people who second a nomination should be liable.

    Fruitcake stuff.

    A nominee to the parliament shall be confirmed as suitable by the AEC.

    Simples

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    My goodness. It is an absolute disgrace the father is being blamed for the Margs Massacre.

    It’s hard to know who to blame, the people who pulled the trigger, or the evil patriarchy that drove them to it.
    All I know is that its always the man’s fault in this corrupt and fallen world.

  156. Roger.

    …under which nationality did Aly study at the American University in Cairo? Maybe a journalist could ask Dr Aly MP?

    Occam’s razor suggests it was under her Egyptian nationality.

    The paperwork would have been much simpler.

    But Aly has already conceded she held dual nationality. The question of import is when was her Egyptian nationality extinguished, if at all?

    She holds Cowan on a margin of 0.7%; I don’t suppose the electors there, who will all have been on the receiving end of government bureaucracy, will be too pleased with her.

  157. OldOzzie

    School pencil cases banned to stop ‘stigma’

    A school has banned pencil cases in a bid to stop pupils from poor families being stigmatised.

    St Wilfrid’s Primary School in Blyth, Northumberland, said it had taken steps to get rid of any “designer goods”.

    Head teacher Pauline Johnstone said pencil cases have been banned “so there’s no comparison on the tables and children are learning”.

  158. nemkat

    A nominee to the parliament shall be confirmed as suitable by the AEC.

    Simples
    You’re a lefty troll.
    The AEC is a deeply politicised organisation.
    Giving it power to sign off on S44 is like throwing S44 into the dustbin.

  159. max

    Turnbull’s problem is Falinski and Frydenberg, and probably a few others.

    And their problem is Turnbull, though no one has the guts to say it.

    Turnbull is a disloyal shit.

    How many times has he floated ideas, sent a cabinet member out to speak, then reversed course and left the other person out to dry.

    Kelly O’Dwyer – a real patsy – was made to look a fool by old scrotum-face a few weeks ago in an interview about the banking royal commission. The next day Turnbull did a U turn, and made her look a right charlie.

    One result of all this is tepidity, as exemplified in Frydenburg.

  160. Rockdoctor

    I remember in December going through the pdf’s someone posted up here on the Citizenship Declaration. 3 stuck out to me, Anne Aly along with Ed Husic and Josh Frydenberg felt they were above attaching any proof from the Foreign countries their relatives hailed from that they were not a citizen. Josh was that sloppy he even forgot to sign and his staff didn’t even pick up on it.

    From what I remember every other member who could’ve been caught up in this did attach said correspondence. If citizens could launch High Court action I would be one for donating money to fund if some Lawyer was game enough to take it on.

  161. OldOzzie

    ALP’s bleeding hearts risk new tide of boats

    After stumbling over the policy hazard of expanded domestic powers for the Australian Signals Directorate, novice Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton found a familiar handrail to steady himself last weekend with the news of a freighter carrying 131 Sri Lankan Tamil asylum-seekers, supposedly headed here, being intercepted in Malaysia.

    A solemn-sounding Dutton used the opportunity to excoriate Labor for its asylum-seeker policies. Nonetheless, it is irrefutably the case that such boats are and will be a persistent threat. Dutton repeated the now familiar figure that there are 14,000 people in Indonesia ready to board boats headed to Australia.

    That is just the number of UNHCR-registered asylum seekers in Indonesia who are eyeing off our mainland from the Javanese coast.

    But it is a drop in the ocean of 65 million-plus displaced people around the world seeking haven from persecution, or simply a better life.

    A potential human tsunami, held back under strain by the architecture of Operation Sovereign Borders, is something the opposition needs to think about seriously. If it manages to win the next election, its border protection policy will dictate whether or not it makes a cameo, one-term appearance in Australia’s contemporary political theatre.

    Labor’s brains trust and party stalwarts will descend on Adelaide in July for the 48th ALP national conference to debate its national platform — effectively its federal election campaign strategy. The recently released draft policy paper, of course, deals with the contentious issue of border security.

  162. Ragu

    The AEC is a deeply politicised organisation.
    Giving it power to sign off on S44 is like throwing S44 into the dustbin.

    How?

  163. Leigh Lowe

    EDTOR’S NOTE The Federal Government’s Smart Traveller website continues to recommend that Australians to “reconsider your need to travel” to Lebanon and recommends against travel to specific parts of the country.

    The threat level has decreased since Tara Brown stopped snatching kids off the streets of Beirut.

  164. H B Bear

    One third of white Britons don’t have any friends from an ethnic minority background

    “Hello, I’m Mohammad your UK government appointed friend. This is Azziz, Najim and Ahmad. We’re off to Friday prayers. Will you be joining us or will I need to file a report with the authorities?

  165. H B Bear

    How?

    A simple “Fuck off” is all that is required when dealing with a troll sock.

  166. Roger.

    The next day Turnbull did a U turn, and made her look a right charlie.

    Maladroit promised a return to cabinet government.

    What he didn’t say was that his cabinet consists of Lucy & Tom.

  167. OldOzzie

    Royal commission should not overlook super funds skulduggery – Judith Sloan

    If you think charging customers for ­services that are not rendered or not required are ­activities confined to the big banks and AMP, think again. The superannuation industry is up to its ­eyeballs in these sorts of ploys and they bring in very large sums of money that never benefit the members.

    The hope is that the financial services royal commission will take a good look at the tricks and schemes that generate massive cash flows for the superannuation funds and life ­insurance companies while providing no benefits to the ­actual holders of many super­annuation accounts. Add in fee-gouging more generally — charging a percentage of funds under management, for example — and there are fertile fields for commissioner Kenneth Hayne to plough in the superannuation space. The fact there have been fewer overt scandals in superannuation compared with the banks — think Commonwealth Bank’s troubles with ­AUSTRAC — should not deter him.

  168. Ragu

    No no.

    I wanna know why Steve from Brisbane thinks that taking oversight away from the Uniparty is a bad idea.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    The AEC is a deeply politicised organisation.
    Giving it power to sign off on S44 is like throwing S44 into the dustbin.

    How?

    The same way boxes of votes disappear and re-appear.
    The same way Uni students living in Fitzroy can vote for Kathy McGowan in Indi, boast about it on Facebook, and the AEC decided “nothing to see here”.

  170. nemkat

    max
    #2709167

    Turnbull’s problem is Falinski and Frydenberg, and probably a few others.

    And their problem is Turnbull, though no one has the guts to say it.
    Turnbull is a disloyal shit.

    That may be so, but my point is that Falinski appears to have inherited Polish Citizenship from being born there to a Polish mother, and Frydenburg appears to have a claim on Hungarian Citizenship, whatever emotional arguments he has made to the contrary.

    Turnbull isn’t interested in the issues on his own side, but if the Liberals run on S44 in te By Elections, he might start hearing more about it.

  171. zyconoclast

    London’s Khan Moves to Ban ‘Junk Food’ Adverts

    Follows his ban on lingerie posters

    I think a pattern is forming.

  172. Nick

    One third of white Britons don’t have any friends from an ethnic minority background

    Amid the finger wagging, it would never be stated ‘80% of Pakistanis in Britain don’t have anything to do with a white person’.

  173. Ragu

    Good point Leigh, however, if the independent body fucked up it wouldn’t be the parliaments problem.

  174. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s so easy for a determined lunatic to get a gun and kill multiple people in this country that even a grandfather can do it. Proving yet again that the efficacy of Howard’s Tough Gun Laws is a myth.

    We have no confirmation as yet that it was one of my brethren, only that there was a murderous c$nt of unknown genderfluidity involved.

  175. Geriatric Mayfly

    Suspected serial killer may have served her lover’s remains at barbecue

    Throw another Prairie Oyster on the barbie.

  176. lotocoti

    One third of white Britons don’t have any friends from an ethnic minority background

    Meanwhile …whoops.

  177. OldOzzie

    Child carer’s horror house of evil clowns and cruel abuse

    Young children placed with a Northern Territory registered carer were told their hands would be cut off for stealing food, and that evil clowns would “get them” if they did anything wrong.

    A harrowing picture has emerged of vulnerable children who were anxious and frightened of their carer, made to sleep in beds that reeked of urine, and were seen carrying rotten food.

    NT Children’s Commissioner Colleen Gwynne’s report also ­describes the carer’s claims to be both Aboriginal and non-­Aboriginal going unchallenged, her undisclosed mental health history and that she was the subject of numerous child abuse and neglect claims that did not stop children being placed with her.

    The children described the carer as cruel but begged Territory Families’ workers not to tell her what they disclosed, including drawing pictures of how one child was taken out of bed at night, driven into the bush and made to stand in the headlights to wait for “demons” to come.

    The former carer, named as FC, is the subject of a second damning report in a week by Commissioner Gwynne. It follows her investigation, tabled in the NT parliament on Wednesday, into Territory Families’ succession of failures in the unrelated welfare case of a two-year-old toddler who was raped in Tennant Creek.

    In a disturbing parallel, the commissioner found in the second report that Territory Families had done nothing to protect a vulnerable toddler left in the care of FC, even after she became the subject of 10 different investi­gations into child welfare, including two into the toddler’s safety.

    In a clear breach of child protection policy, the toddler was ­allowed to remain in her care even after two other children were removed. One child, caught stealing food, described how the carer said people used to have their hands cut off for taking food.

    The carer regularly showed the children pictures of evil clowns, which she said would come if they misbehaved.

    In 2015, a case manager reported claims that FC had slapped a child across the face, while FC’s daughter had held another child’s head under water in the swimming pool, threatened her with a knife, and hit her with a spatula.

    Neither child was interviewed about the incidents, and a report nine months later closed the case after finding “no abuse or neglect found”. When the two children were removed and placed in respite care with their grandmother, it was noted they had lice, low iron, their clothes resembled rags and one child had sores on his head.

    The commissioner examined 10 cases relating to claims that children in FC’s care were physically abused, neglected or emotionally harmed; five claims were substantiated.

    Commissioner Gwynne criticised a lack of basic record-keeping, with many department records showing incorrect names of children, wrong dates and no placement agreements for children put in respite care. She noted that welfare workers rarely entered FC’s home, but on a visit prompted by various complaints found the house was “grotty and unhygienic”. Undersized children’s beds smelled of urine.

    In 2016, a case worker noted that children in FC’s care were seen with mouldy and dehydrated food. One child reported they were kept outside for long periods and were always hungry.

    Doubts about the carer’s suitability were flagged from the early 1980s when the woman — who has several biological children — sought financial help from welfare authorities on 30 occasions. The Weekend Australian has learned one of her biological children was the subject of child protection reports dating back as far as 2003. One report also questioned the carer’s state of mind.

    On three occasions, FC completed a carer application form nominating as Aboriginal, but in the interview process she said she was born to European parents who moved to Australia and that she was not Aboriginal. She was subsequently recorded as both a non-Aboriginal carer and Aboriginal carer, and children were placed in her care because she was viewed as “meeting the children’s cultural and identity needs”.

    Commissioner Gwynne said Territory Families “failed in their duty of care” towards five children.

    A Territory Families’ response attached to the report states many of the commissioner’s recommendations are being implemented, including a Quality Assurance Framework and revision of the Concerns for the Safety of the Children in Care policy.

  178. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Femininity is a wondrous thing.

    Yes. It is a glory in youth, sheer Botticelli, and a virtue in maturity (HM The Queen). It never ages, ‘cos it’s in every cell in our bodies. It is not just frocks and fingernails and hairdo’s either, although these make us feel good and keep the little cells happy and content that we are on the right track in the femininity business, which is about being different from a man in many bodily ways as well as attractive to them (culture merely sets the mode). Men are hairy and very much not the same as us, in mind as well as in body.

    Hairy wouldn’t put up with me for a minute if I was a man (and nor would, or should, the Cat; a point neglected by a lurker critiquing me in April, to which I responded that I am not a man). Hairy shepherds me around, laughs when I try to open the hotel room door by absent-mindedly placing the key card against a nearby light switch, and I am glad of his focus and authority. And, contra to troll central claims, I am not ‘disingenuous’. I just move from simple to complex as a normal mode, as many women do.

    Femininity is also about motherhood. It is about the interior self. Femaleness, if you like.
    “Oh her eyes in the face that looked down on our first babe” is a line that I always recall (possibly imperfectly) from Christopher Brennan’s great Australian poem “The Wanderer”. It pulled me back from the existential masculinism of the poem, a loneliness I found appealing in my youth, trying to find my place in the world.

  179. old bloke

    From the old thread….

    Greedy Bendigo councillors have decided they want 313 hectares of the Carters’ farm.

    Not for an airport, railroad or hospital, no. They want it so property developers and their councillor mates can make money with a business park. With so much land taken away, the remaining farm will become unsustainable.

  180. H B Bear

    I think a pattern is forming.

    Londonistan democracy at work. At least they aren’t whipping the fatties in the streets. Yet.

  181. zyconoclast

    The next day Turnbull did a U turn, and made her look a right charlie.

    No need for help from Maocolm, O’Dwyer has managed to make herself look stupid since she entered parliament.

  182. OldOzzie

    Mark Meadows: Time to Audit Mueller Investigation

    The Washington Examiner reports that North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows will request a financial audit of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into whether or not Russian interference and collusion with Trump officials occurred during the 2016 presidential election

  183. old bloke

    “Why are all our dual citizens white?” asks frightbat frontrunner and Boston bombing bungler, Fairfax’s Waleed Aly:

    Blair questions whether Anne Aly is still an Egyptian citizen. The same question could be asked of Pat Dodson, has he renounced his inherited Irish citizenship?

  184. Ragu

    At the end of the day, parliamentarians love handballing shit, so my solution makes a lot of sense. There is a problem and I wouldn’t doubt that every other sitting parliament is similarly tainted.

  185. zyconoclast

    Amid the finger wagging, it would never be stated ‘80% of Pakistanis in Britain don’t have anything to do with a white person’.

    Not true.
    [email protected]/murder/torture of white girls doesn’t happen by itself.
    You need your diversity gangs to make it happen.

  186. Ragu

    I don’t understand what makes an Irishman think ‘stuff this, I’m moving down to Palm Island and fuck an aborigine’

  187. zyconoclast

    One third of white Britons don’t have any friends from an ethnic minority background

    Meanwhile …whoops.

    Check put the picture of the Liberty Team UK
    https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/who-we-are/liberty-team

  188. Colonel Crispin Burqa, Kings' Fusiliers Corps.

    Get your dancing shoes and sequins on, Cats, in preparation for International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia on 17 May.

    Glancing at Wikipedia we are reminded that “homophobia” is defined as a range of negative attitudes extending down as far as mere “aversion”, directed toward people who are identified or perceived as being LGBT or towards homosexuality itself. Having an aversion to homosexuality is within the definition of homophobia. This means that all heterosexuals are homophobic by definition. Generous, don’t you think?

    Professional advocates, public servants, and lefties everywhere are encouraging us all to participate in this event. As 17 May approaches do not fear the streets, my fabulous friends. The only way to avoid the fabulous flashmob is to become the fabulous flashmob. You know it makes sense.

  189. Myrddin Seren

    From Drudge:

    EXCLUSIVE: Special counsel probing donations with foreign connections to Trump inauguration

    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has questioned several witnesses about millions of dollars in donations to President Donald Trump’s inauguration committee last year, including questions about donors with connections to Russia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, sources with direct knowledge told ABC News.

    Team Mueller spraying leaks around like a lawn sprinkler – again ?

    According to a source who has sat with the Mueller team for interviews in recent weeks, the special counsel is examining donors who have either business or personal connections in Russia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

    Yup. Leak-o-rama.

    And yet we get this comment down the page:

    Why these individuals would be of interest to the Mueller team remains unclear.

    ABC News to ‘Source’: ‘So why were you interviewing all these people ?’

    Source: ‘I don’t know – it’s a mystery ?!’

    21st Century journalism.

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    children were placed in her care because she was viewed as “meeting the children’s cultural and identity needs”.

    Well, ya can’t argue with culture and identity when it comes to the needs of the kiddies, can ya?
    /sarc off

  191. nemkat

    We have no confirmation as yet that it was one of my brethren, only that there was a murderous c$nt of unknown genderfluidity involved.
    Killing 6 members of your immediate family sounds like the actions of an insane person, Stimpy, old boy.
    You appear to be claiming that these are the actions of a rational person, unless proven otherwise.
    Is this what you are saying?

  192. It’s so easy for a determined lunatic to get a gun and kill multiple people in this country that even a grandfather can do it. Proving yet again that the efficacy of Howard’s Tough Gun Laws is a myth.

    Two mass shootings in the two decades since Port Arthur, both farming types killing their own families. Obviously the rules are relaxed for farmers for good reasons. It just goes to show that tough gun laws work.

  193. OldOzzie

    AS I SEE IT: The elephant in the room is regime change
    “The future of Iran belongs to its people.”

    By Melanie Phillips

    For the Iranian people are continuing to mount widespread riots and protests. All but unreported in the West, this resistance across all classes poses a serious threat to the regime and it knows it.

    “The future of Iran belongs to its people,” Trump said. “There has been enough suffering, death and destruction – let it end now.”

    The best way to bring that about is regime change. And the best way to bring that [ital ‘that] about is to give the people the incentive to redouble their resistance and, crucially, make them believe they can succeed – because this time the world will support not the regime but them.

    All efforts should now go into promoting and supporting the Iranian people with whatever they need to bring down their leaders.

    As for Kim Jong-un, his offer to meet Trump, like his unprecedented meeting with President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, is undoubtedly due to the pressure being put on him by his patron, China. And that’s because China itself is under pressure from Trump’s threats of a trade war – not to mention the fear that Trump is such a loose cannon he might actually do what he has threatened to do and flatten Pyongyang.

  194. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Nasty comment there, Ragu? Or do you refer to something Irish unrelated, back thread? You have form with regard to me, and once emailed me to apologise, so I give you the benefit of the doubt.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    Rockdoctor

    #2709168, posted on May 12, 2018 at 10:41 am

    I remember in December going through the pdf’s someone posted up here on the Citizenship Declaration. 3 stuck out to me, Anne Aly along with Ed Husic and Josh Frydenberg felt they were above attaching any proof 

    Exactly.
    Forget the AEC.
    Publicly expose all this stuff and there are 100,000 Rockdoctors out there who can read and evaluate it.
    This should be formalised as a two-step process …
    (1) A stat-dec uttered at the time of nomination unequivocally affirming eligibility; and
    (2) For those elected, a similarly unequivocal statement to Parliament, including writing into Hansard the previous stat-dec affirming there (sic) eligibility, and other supporting documents.
    They are then on two hooks … false declaration and misleading Parliament.
    And by “unequivocally” I mean statements would exclude phrases like “reasonable efforts” and “to the best of my knowledge”.

  196. nemkat

    Ragu
    #2709196
    I don’t understand what makes an Irishman think ‘stuff this, I’m moving down to Palm Island and fuck an aborigine’

    Pat Dodson comes from northern W.A., not Palm Island. He’s also got obvious S44 problems, but for whatever reasons, the Coalition don’t want to pursue him.
    One reason could be that he’s a dud, and leaving him there forever just further demoralises the ALP in Western Australia.

  197. rickw

    Two mass shootings in the two decades since Port Arthur, both farming types killing their own families. Obviously the rules are relaxed for farmers for good reasons. It just goes to show that tough gun laws work.

    The biggest factor in all this is the end of the media’s breathless promotion of shooting massacres. The availability of guns and the lack of massacres before the media got interested should be noted.

  198. Snoopy

    Obviously the rules are relaxed for farmers for good reasons. It just goes to show that tough gun laws work.

    Which ‘relaxed’ gun law contributed to these murders? Has the type of weapon been publicly revealed?

    A more important factor may simply be the remoteness of farmhouses making it easier to carry out mass killings without interruption.

  199. Roger.

    Bandanaman to Folau:

    You’re hampering rugby’s outreach to QWERTY folk.

    Yeah, there’s a market that will save rugby from itself.

  200. feelthebern

    I hope Anne Aly has a long career in parliament, then gets appointed to government board & then in her twilight a diplomatic post.
    There is nothing more Australian these days than gaming the system, bull shitting, getting on the government teat & making a career out of it.
    Well done.
    It’s an example that many children should aspire towards.
    Anne Aly, future Order of Oz recipient.

  201. rickw

    Hey, Londoners — been stabbed or shot yet this week? Just thought I’d check as the place seems to resemble, in its violence, downtown Mogadishu right now — and indeed is graced with many of the same kinds of people.

    Import the people of Mogadishu and pretty quickly you get Mogadishu!

  202. Rae

    According to a source who has sat with the Mueller team for interviews in recent weeks, the special counsel is examining donors who have either business or personal connections in Russia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

    Yup. Leak-o-rama.

    Nup. Sounds more like it came from one of those interviewed/examined.

  203. Roger.

    Import the people of Mogadishu and pretty quickly you get Mogadishu!

    As Melburnians are discovering.

  204. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pat Dodson comes from northern W.A., not Palm Island. He’s also got obvious S44 problems, but for whatever reasons, the Coalition don’t want to pursue him.

    The Coalition doesn’t pursue Pat Dodson, for the same reason they don’t pursue Linda Burney. The race card is played early, and often.

  205. Leigh Lowe

    Ragu

    #2709182, posted on May 12, 2018 at 10:53 am

    Good point Leigh, however, if the independent body fucked up it wouldn’t be the parliaments problem.

    My point is that it should be Parliaments problem and a problem of the candidates and their parties.
    The way to put the big parties on the hook is to retain 25% of their AEC funding until the completion of the next term. If a candidate subsequently fails eligibility, the funds are forfeited.

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is a beautiful day here in Hokkaido at 10.30am, having breakfast together in-room, Hairy checking the news online. We have a large picture window which looks over the traceries of a birch and pine forest and across to a volcano and other mountains. Very northern hemisphere and a long way from home. Today we are driving down to Matsumae to see the ten thousand cherry trees there: the blossoms vary in showtime depending on the type of cherry. Some types are still in good flower, others showing leaves amongst the blossoms. All provide a haze of falling petals showering good luck upon those beneath. Soon to be us.

    Had abalone in the fancy restaurant here last night. Hairy reminds me it is caught by young boys diving. I say I am sure there are better ways of harvesting it these days. Have to think that to continue eating them.

  207. Roger.

    Import the people of Mogadishu and pretty quickly you get Mogadishu!

    Give us your violent masses.

  208. areff

    One reason could be that he’s a dud,

    But… but … he wears an Indigenous hat, even inside.

    Racist!!!!

  209. nemkat

    Billy Gordon was pursued for lying about his past in the Queensland Parliament, and hed have more Aboriginal descent than Dodson and Linda Burney combined, so i’m not buying your ”Race Card” theory, Zulu.

  210. candy

    It seems puzzling to compare Port Arthur shooting, a mad schizophrenic on the loose with no treatment in those days, to a domestic killing.

    Perhaps the signs of a very depressed man and dysfunctional family with four autistic children with father gone, moved to a rural setting to make things better around 2015.

    They moved for a “sustainable life”. Home schooling autistic children in a rural setting sounds very isolating.

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Apologies, Ragu, I was being oversensitive. I am glad I had you pegged as a decent sort, and as someone not here would no doubt jump to inform me, it is not all about me. Nemkat serves a purpose giving me your referent.

  212. Myrddin Seren

    ….moved to a rural setting to make things better around 2015.

    They moved for a “sustainable life”.

    Ran out of money and looking at financial ruin ? People have gone postal for similar reasons in the past.

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Some form of mental illness in both of those shootings, Candy, as there seems to be in many such tragedies. In the recent case, I thought all four of the children looked rather abnormal (autistic, I have some experience of such children, having one of my own like that) and it was certainly a bad idea to remove them from other social contacts.

  214. egg_

    Pat Dodson, has he renounced his inherited Irish citizenship?

    Will ne be setting up an Irish Tent Embassy?

  215. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy now tells me a ‘green panic’ paper from JCU (the University trying to destroy Peter Ridd’s honest career) about small fragments of plastic ‘destroying’ the Great Barrier Reef has been withdrawn from publication due to ‘problems with possible falsification of data’. The data has now, unaccountably, disappeared. Laptop stolen, it seems. As happens when ‘scientific’ lies get challenged.

  216. Dr Fred Lenin

    Regarding the “citizenship” business, are All laws and actions of the parliament null and void ? surely rules made by illegal MPs cannot be upheld . This has put the cat amongst the political pigeons ,the parties and their leaders are surely inept to allow this stuff up , top marks to the person who initiated this witchunt of the career polliemuppets ._ I always knew the national gangrene lieboral Party was full of clowns ,expensive clowns , but clowns nonetheless ,the western “democracies “ are in dire need of cleansing, as Trump has proven . A traitor like Macain can be a presidential conservative candidate ? Yeah right ! Years ago people like him would have lived in shame ,hidden for public view but they elect him to office ?

  217. cohenite

    Is s.44 relevant at the time of nomination or at the close of nominations?

  218. nemkat

    ‘Dodson looks like a bloe with a bit to hide, going on the stupid hat and ridiculous beard.
    Maybe there’s a D Notice out, so no one is allowed to talk about it.

  219. egg_

    Exclusive: New warning from lawyer behind citizenship crisis

    John Cameron told SBS News the politicians could be liable for prosecution if they signed candidacy forms with full knowledge of their status.

  220. nemkat

    Time of Nomination.
    Which means Susan Lamb needs to get a wriggle on.

  221. Delta A

    a mad schizophrenic on the loose with no treatment in those days

    Schizophrenia was flavour of the month in ‘those days’, thanks largely to the LSD (and other drug) loonies. And there were treatments galore, including antipsychotic medications and various therapies.

    Maybe a tad of research – even wiki – before posting such sweeping and incorrect statements?

  222. Snoopy

    Is s.44 relevant at the time of nomination or at the close of nominations?

    At the time of nomination.

  223. Roger.

    The Coalition doesn’t pursue Pat Dodson, for the same reason they don’t pursue Linda Burney.

    They’d only be wasting their time with Dodson and lose political capital in the process, something they can ill afford. I don’t have any time for him but I believe he has produced documentary evidence that his father was born in Launceston, Tasmania. If Dodson’s paternal grandparents were Irish, which Dodson himself disputes, they would have had to register their son’s birth with the Irish authorities for him or his descendants to have any claim on Irish citizenship and it would have to be applied for, something which could be easily checked. As for Burney, a firm correction the next time she perpetuates the falsehood that she was not a citizen but counted as flora and fauna until 1967 is overdue, but I expect she is safe otherwise as her father was not British.

  224. cohenite

    Time of Nomination.
    Which means Susan Lamb needs to get a wriggle on.

    So does tits apparently. I know Sykes is the source of that but can’t find it in the Judgment nor in Carnavan.

  225. candy

    Maybe a tad of research – even wiki – before posting such sweeping and incorrect statements?

    From what I’ve read Delta is that Martin Bryant was born to good loving parents but was uncontrollable and abnormal from early days. His father particularly tried to make him “normal” and fit in, but I don’t think psychiatric treatment was ever in the picture.
    I think the term “mental illness” was shyed away from then, too socially ostracising. Much better these days, much more resources and understanding. Way better.

  226. egg_

    “Why are all our dual citizens white?” asks frightbat frontrunner and Boston bombing bungler, Fairfax’s Waleed Aly:

    Blair questions whether Anne Aly is still an Egyptian citizen. The same question could be asked of Pat Dodson, has he renounced his inherited Irish citizenship?

    Cos they all waheely bin bogans, Squalid?

  227. C.L.

    Girls love their ponies …
    A sweet tale of feeling trumping practicality:

    Pony dumped in grandmother’s backyard after 13-year-old girl responds to online ad.

    A grandmother in England was “very shocked” to discover a pony left in her backyard, after her granddaughter responded to an advertisement on the internet.

    The 13-year-old girl answered the ad, which said the pony would be “put to sleep” if no-one wanted him, RSPCA inspector Charlotte Melvin said.

    In other equine news, archaeologists discover the Liberal Party in ancient Pompeii.

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