Monday Forum: May 14, 2018

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    The dumped Lib Ms Prentice and her replacement?
    Which one belongs to the Trumble-Stabby faction?

  2. nemkat

    they’d want to be serious sleeping pills

    No sleeping pills involved.Rapid gunshots mean 5 in 10 or 15 seconds.
    Clearly, he had made up is mind, and he was a man of action.

  3. rickw

    Zippy, great video, however, that lady needs a bigger gun, jihadi’s heart and spine didn’t land in the opposite gutter. Seriously good work despite this! (A rapid follow up shot would have been a nice touch though.

  4. rickw

    Is Aldi ok if you only buy workzone G clamps there? Asking for a friend.

    Yes, but if you read the catalogue more than once get help.

    Oh crap….

  5. nemkat

    Prentice is a mate of Turnbull’s
    She had promised to make way for Simmonds after 2 Terms, but reneged.
    Turnbull’s spokesperson says he’s not getting involved.

  6. rickw

    In better news clementine fuckface ford is no longer going to speak at a Lifeline Forum:

    Brilliant!

  7. max

    The SIL did say that his FIL was not someone you wanted to cross. Sounds like he had a history.

    Somebody here mentioned that the old bastard was State President of Apex. Is that right ? So he probably came across as a good bloke who could push others around and kick heads so that things got done. Not a psycho at all. Serving the community.

  8. candy

    The only way that could have happened is if the victims were all heavily sedated and didn’t run or wake when he started shooting. This makes little sense…

    To sedate 2 adults and 4 biggish kids would be no easy matter. How would he get them to drink/take something, especially the adults. Round them all up to take something without suspicion.
    Even then, get the dose right so everyone died “peacefully”.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    In better news clementine fuckface ford is no longer going to speak at a Lifeline Forum:

    JC, I think Clemmie would make a great addition to the Helpline team.
    Call her a in for an interview, maybe lunch with Monty too.

  10. Marcus

    Zippy, great video, however, that lady needs a bigger gun, jihadi’s heart and spine didn’t land in the opposite gutter. Seriously good work despite this! (A rapid follow up shot would have been a nice touch though.

    On the plus side, he’s going away for a long, long time and his cellmates will know him as “Wannabe punk who got taken down by a girl.”

    The Victoria Police should be made to watch this.

  11. Tailgunner

    Interesting, Winston.
    The D’s seem unlikely to find a winner among their ranks and Americans are moving behind Trump v Swamp…
    Trump will win again, no question. Unless the Swamp go the assassination route. I’d think the bets would be refunded in that event? I’d like to check that before borrowing to bet on Trump2020…

  12. Stimpson J. Cat

    Somebody here mentioned that the old bastard was State President of Apex. Is that right?

    NumptyKat.
    Fake News.

  13. DrBeauGan

    So some Cats only appear to be fanatics who are detached from reality?
    But when you add up the numbers they actually aren’t?
    Is that what you mean?

    Not bad, Stimpy. Some Çats are disturbingly devout. Like the family that turned into suicide bombers, but a different religion, so less likely to pull a similar trick.

    If burning heretics should ever become fashionable again, I have this feeling that when I am chained to the stake atop bundles of homosexuals, Calli and DB would have business elsewhere, Gab and CL I’m not sure about, but Notafan I suspect would be in the front row with her box of matches ready.

    So both you and I are safe at the moment.

    I hope I am wrong about Notafan. If I am she won’t be able to resist telling me so.

  14. Tailgunner

    Yes, but if you read the catalogue more than once get help.

    Hang on, hang on – read that weeks catalogue more than once, or reading more than one ever?
    Maybe I do need help…

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    Have I left anybody off?

    Journos from The Saturday Paper and The New Daily.
    They have to be included for lefty balance seeing the Guardian is such a right wing rag. /s

  16. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hang on, hang on – read that weeks catalogue more than once, or reading more than one ever?
    Maybe I do need help…

    Reading that weeks catalogue more than once, Gunner.
    Honestly it’s a cry for help.
    Ask Grigs what day Grigs Anonymous meets.
    I don’t want to know about their sock shenanigans.

  17. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have this feeling that when I am chained to the stake atop bundles of homosexuals

    Who hasn’t been chained up in the middle of a bunch of f$ggots, am I right guys?

    😁

  18. nemkat

    Somebody here mentioned that the old bastard was State President of Apex. Is that right?

    NumptyKat.
    Fake News.

    Definitely not fake news. It was part of the reporting yesterday.
    Gone down the memory hole today, you say, Stimpson?

    Well, whaddaya know.
    Being State President of Apex doesn’t fit the narrative we’re being fed.

  19. Is it a rule that we have to jump to the defence of the Kittehs when someone makes a remark?
    Fellers – the kittehs are capable of looking out for themselves.
    Just asking for a friend…

  20. Geriatric Mayfly

    As a matter of curiosity Dr Beau, what has a çedilla suddenly appeared under Cats?

  21. Tailgunner

    Phew, thanks bud. I was starting to think that Aldi had got to me too.

  22. max

    How long before an Australian church is bombed or shot up ? Such an easy target.

  23. Stimpson J. Cat

    Is it a rule that we have to jump to the defence of the Kittehs when someone makes a remark?

    This is a Libertarian paradise.
    Do whatever you want, just so long as you don’t make anyone’s Bowtie crooked, or mankini dirty.

  24. max

    Was it foggy in Melbourne this morning ? I couldn’t tell.

    Jane Bunn just appeared on my screen in a smoking hot dress and my glasses clouded over.

  25. This quotation from E. A. Burtt’s masterful The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Science is apposite:

    the lesson is that even the attempt to escape metaphysics is no sooner put in the form of a proposition than it is seen to involve highly significant metaphysical postulates.

    For this reason there is an exceedingly subtle and insidious danger in positivism. If you cannot avoid metaphysics, what kind of metaphysics are you likely to cherish when you sturdily suppose yourself to be free from the abomination ? Of course it goes with- out saying that in this case your metaphysics will be held uncritically because it is unconscious ; moreover, it will be passed on to others far more readily than your other notions inasmuch as it will be propagated by insinuation rather than by direct argument. That a serious student of Newton fails to see that his master had a most important metaphysic, is an exceedingly interesting testimony to the pervading influence, throughout modern thought, of the Newtonian first philosophy.

    Now the history of mind reveals pretty clearly that the thinker who decries metaphysics will actually hold metaphysical notions of three main types. For one thing, he will share the ideas of his age on ultimate questions, so far as such ideas do not run counter to his interests or awaken his criticism. No one has yet appeared in human history, not even the most profoundly critical intellect, in whom no important idola theatri can be detected, but the metaphysician will at least be superior to his opponent in this respect, in that he will be constantly on his guard against the surreptitious entrance and unquestioned influence of such notions. In the second place, if he be a man engaged in any important inquiry, he must have a method, and he will be under a strong and constant temptation to make a metaphysics out of his method, that is, to suppose the universe ultimately of such a sort that his method must be appropriate and successful. Some of the consequences of succumbing to such a temptation have been abundantly evident in our discussion of the work of Kepler, Galileo, and Descartes. Finally since human nature demands metaphysics for its full intellectual satisfaction, no great mind can wholly avoid playing with ultimate questions, especially where they are powerfully thrust upon it by considerations arising from its positivistic investigations, or by certain vigorous extra-scientific interests, such as religion. But inasmuch as the positivist mind has failed to school itself in careful metaphysical thinking, its ventures at such points will be apt to appear pitiful, inadequate, or even fantastic. Each of these three types is exemplified in Newton.

  26. Stimpson J. Cat

    no great mind can wholly avoid playing with ultimate questions, especially where they are powerfully thrust upon it by considerations arising from its positivistic investigations, or by certain vigorous extra-scientific interests

    Drugs Baby Yeah!!!!

  27. Gab

    Is it a rule that we have to jump to the defence of the Kittehs when someone makes a remark?

    Yes because we are such sweet delicate types who feint on the chaise longue amidst a million throw cushions (which then have to be plumped up and positioned back afterward) and have to have a dose of smelling salts to revive us. Followed by some libations, preferably Long Island Ice Tea if available.

    😀

  28. Candy;

    To sedate 2 adults and 4 biggish kids would be no easy matter. How would he get them to drink/take something, especially the adults. Round them all up to take something without suspicion.
    Even then, get the dose right so everyone died “peacefully”.

    Stilnox.
    Google it.
    They tell you to take it when you are in bed, for a reason.
    I bet someone had access to it.

  29. Delta A

    Followed by some libations, preferably Long Island Ice Tea if available.

    And new Jimmy Choo Heels.

  30. DrBeauGan

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2710599, posted on May 14, 2018 at 6:34 pm
    As a matter of curiosity Dr Beau, what has a çedilla suddenly appeared under Cats?

    I found out how to do it on my phone, GM, and for a while, accents abounded. Then I sobered up. This is the last residue.

    I am very childish. I expect you’ve noticed.

  31. Gab

    Definitely what Delta said!

  32. DrBeauGan

    Is it a rule that we have to jump to the defence of the Kittehs when someone makes a remark?

    The kittehs being who they are (see Gab’s post above), they should be jumping to our defence.

  33. Rae

    FYI someone here a while back let it be known they know my real name

    Fake news. I don’t believe you.

  34. Gab

    In answer to your question, Winston: you don’t have to but you can choose to if you so wish. 🙂

  35. Helen

    I will have to identify as wearing Choo heels on account of my frozen ankle!

  36. Gab

    By the way, I have no idea why Winston asked the question.

  37. Has anyone seen Monty?

    Victoria to impose 8% tax on online betting agencies

    Do taxes like this affect his business or does he become a “big tax avoider”?

    This policy would not affect me directly, mole. It might mean a little bit more revenue for me if there is more marketing to be done.

  38. Candy:

    To sedate 2 adults and 4 biggish kids would be no easy matter. How would he get them to drink/take something, especially the adults. Round them all up to take something without suspicion.
    Even then, get the dose right so everyone died “peacefully”.

    Poisoner gives the kids a bedtime cocoa and makes it a habit – reads them a bedtime story.
    That takes care of the kids.
    Two adults? Make drink – as he’s done on a whatever night for a month or so – Gin/tonic/stilnox.
    Laugh like a lunatic as he drags the bodies back to bed and despatches them.
    The Jonestown massacre was done the same way. Establish a pattern, exploit it.
    Candy, you are not this stupid, FFS.

  39. woolfe

    Hey Max,
    Doesn’t the Australian Christian Lobby in Canberra count? Ok it was a pretty pathetic effort, but an effort nonetheless.

  40. Fat Tony

    DrBeauGan

    Dr BG – I have referred to notafan as the Witchfinder General.

  41. Rae

    Fat Tony #2710620, posted on May 14, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    DrBeauGan

    Dr BG – I have referred to notafan as the Witchfinder General.

    But you have lost your marbles. Because, when you tried to be nasty to me I sat you on your fat arse. And you ran away with your tail between your legs.

  42. Stimpson J. Cat

    Candy, you are not this stupid, FFS.

    Look, we just don’t know.
    I said this about Monty and Grigs.

  43. GM;

    As a matter of curiosity Dr Beau, what has a çedilla suddenly appeared under Cats?

    It’s been doing that since about February when I downloaded an update to MS Office.
    I went to Open Office, but it still appears. Also when you do a catastrophe, you have to do a space before the words or you get the cediliah thingy.

  44. DrBeauGan

    Fat Tony
    #2710620, posted on May 14, 2018 at 7:06 pm
    DrBeauGan

    Dr BG – I have referred to notafan as the Witchfinder General.

    I conjecture, ft, that the reason for her absence at the moment is that she is busily searching the archives for an example of my belittling women. This could take a considerable time.

  45. Gab;

    Followed by some libations, preferably Long Island Ice Tea if available.

    Bugger off, girl.
    Get ye to the Kitchen, and rattle those pots and pans.

  46. Boambee John

    Hey m0nty

    How about Mueller indicting a Wussia linked company that seems not to have existed at the time of the alleged offences?

    Eat your heart out Sherlock Holmes!

  47. candy

    Candy, you are not this stupid, FFS.

    I probably am, Winston. You know, I was trying to visualise it, how he did it. One slip up, someone does not want their cocoa or drink that evening, throws it out without him knowing and the plan goes awry. Perhaps he was waiting for a night when everyone had their drink/snack and premeditated it for that evening. Quite a task to kill 2 adults and 4 biggish children silently and not alerting neighbours. I guess we will know soon enough if the police divulge the awful information.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Just saw the ultimate in bullshit branding in the supermarket dairy section …

    Cold pressed cows milk.

  49. Rae

    Quite a task to kill 2 adults and 4 biggish children silently and not alerting neighbours.

    Nothing silent about it. One of the neighbours said she heard the shots at about 4.00 or 4.30 am but thought it was kangaroo shooters.

  50. Fat Tony

    Rae = Troll

    This example of Trollius Faecus is a nasty, spiteful little specimen which serves no useful purpose with its lies & cowardice. Really, it should be considered a bonsai troll.

    It is to be ignored and treated like the vermin it is.

    SCROLL THE TROLL

  51. Gab

    I’ll certainly rattle those pots and pans on your head, Winston if you sass me like that again.

  52. rickw

    Just saw the ultimate in bullshit branding in the supermarket dairy section …

    Cold pressed cows milk.

    A bs way of saying we didn’t pasteurise it?

  53. Gab:

    By the way, I have no idea why Winston asked the question.

    Oooh! I Know! Ask me miss!
    Winston waves his hand/s/tentacles/appendages in the air.

  54. candy

    . One of the neighbours said she heard the shots at about 4.00 or 4.30 am but thought it was kangaroo shooters.

    I reckon she will have a reliving experience of hearing those shots for a while.

  55. DrBeauGan

    Winston Smith
    #2710625, posted on May 14, 2018 at 7:16 pm
    Gab;

    Followed by some libations, preferably Long Island Ice Tea if available.

    Bugger off, girl.
    Get ye to the Kitchen, and rattle those pots and pans.

    That probably comes under the heading of belittling women, Winston. You’re a braver man than I am.

  56. Leigh Lowe

    A bs way of saying we didn’t pasteurise it?

    It did say “fair shake of the milk bottle before pouring”.
    I didn’t read it.
    Presumably it means not pastuerised and/or homogenized.

  57. Rae

    Osmington local Meg Janes, 68, who lives near the property where the shooting took place, said at the time she said she thought it was someone shooting kangaroos, but now believes it was the victims being shot.

    “Something woke me up around 4am. I heard quite a few gunshots and at the time I didn’t take much notice of it. I got up and went to the toilet and I thought, ‘That’s a bit strange, that’s an odd hour to be shooting kangaroos’,” she said.

    “There’s a lot of kangaroos around so it’s not unusual, although not at that time of the morning. It wasn’t until I saw the police that I thought, ‘Hang on a minute’.

    “(The shots) were separated out, there was quite a long gap between them. It wasn’t one after another.”

  58. Candy;

    I probably am, Winston. You know, I was trying to visualise it, how he did it. One slip up, someone does not want their cocoa or drink that evening, throws it out without him knowing and the plan goes awry. Perhaps he was waiting for a night when everyone had their drink/snack and premeditated it for that evening. Quite a task to kill 2 adults and 4 biggish children silently and not alerting neighbours. I guess we will know soon enough if the police divulge the awful information.

    Read up about Jonestown. There were drills conducted on a regular basis where everyone drank the koolaide. It went on for weeks, those who didn’t drink the koolaide were segregated and humiliated until everyone complied.
    The act of compliance was the trigger for carrying out the act.
    It’s like the ISIS head cutting off procedure – the victim is beaten until they read out the statement of guilt. If they try to dodge it by stuffing it up, they get beaten again. The procedure becomes NORMAL until they one day get the process right, then it’s “Off with their heads!”
    I cannot see how this is so difficult for people to understand.

  59. …and it’s about normalisation of aberrant behaviour.
    Like men shoving their willies up other mens bottoms, or perverts being allowed to adopt children, or lesbians being allowed to have sex determined children.
    It’s being shoved in our faces and our kids think it’s cool.
    Love is love.
    It ain’t ‘Love” mate, it’s degeneracy.
    And we are allowing it – nay, demanding it.

  60. cohenite

    Each of these three types is exemplified in Newton

    .

    They are?

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Did someone post here earlier that, if the Europeans re-imposed sanctions on Iran, the mullahs would name names as to who might have got a cut of ‘bama’s billions?
    Popcorn time!!

  62. DrBeauGan

    DB, the point all you metaphysics lovers fail to grasp, is that in science and mathematics the foundations go in last. It’s not like a building, you are being seduced by the metaphor. If you throw out the metaphysical foundations, the structure doesn’t fall down, it floats. There are different foundations for mathematics, and if they all fail, metamathematicians will just have to build another one.

    The same is true of physics, in which I include chemistry. When philosophers come along and tell physicists what their fundamental assumptions are, the physicists find it hard to be polite because there are lots of fundamental assumptions which would do the job, and different physicists have different ones. Some don’t have any.

    When you ask us to explain why we reject metaphysics, the politest answer you’re likely to get is that playing word games is much less fun than doing science.

    You believe you are dealing with fundamental matters. We think it’s superfluous prattle.

  63. Rae

    Hole. It’s interesting that you have a fetish for the Buffalo Bill video. Especially given your inexpert nappy changing and resultant misfortunes.

    As I understand it, almost to a man/woman/person, the Grigaholics here associate him with Lecter, who ate someone’s liver “with some fava beans, and a nice chianti”. Or with Dexter, from Miami, who spends his spare time exacting his own form of justice by exsanguinating felons.

    Buffalo Bill was just someone whom Lecter negotiated the finding of with Clarice Starling. An “also ran” … just like you.

  64. Geriatric Mayfly

    I am very childish. I expect you’ve noticed.

    Not really Dr. For a time I plonked a diaeresis on the fist of two adjoining vowels in my name for effect. I discarded the idea quickly, when I discovered a colleague called Gäel (an unprepossessing piece of work) did similar.

  65. Dr BeauGan;

    That probably comes under the heading of belittling women, Winston. You’re a braver man than I am.

    That comes from the fact that I live in a complex of 40ft containers buried under 200 meters of rock in the Gibson Desert that would withstand the impact of a 5 Mt warhead.
    So, I’m safe. I think.

  66. old bloke

    max
    #2710601, posted on May 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm

    How long before an Australian church is bombed or shot up ? Such an easy target.

    It has already happened Max. When the Cronulla riots occurred some years ago, two churches in western Sydney were burnt to the ground, one was a Chinese Presbyterian church from memory.

    There was also a Maronite church (in Auburn?) which was fired on as the Lebanese Christians refused to join their Muslim countrymen in the riots, there were people there at the time for a wedding rehearsal but no one was struck.

  67. Stimpson J. Cat

    As I understand it, almost to a man/woman/person, the Grigaholics here associate him with Lecter, who ate someone’s liver “with some fava beans, and a nice chianti”. Or with Dexter, from Miami, who spends his spare time exacting his own form of justice by exsanguinating felons.
    Buffalo Bill was just someone whom Lecter negotiated the finding of with Clarice Starling. An “also ran” … just like you.

    OK guys, everyone ignore Grigs for a while.
    He needs a break.
    He’s being creepy again.
    He’s jumped the grey nurse shark.

  68. DrBeauGan

    DB, Newton and Leibniz both invented calculus. Newton made several comments explaining why he didn’t spend time on metaphysics. Leibniz of course did play with metaphysics, his theory of monads.

    The results are in. Monads had no consequence of interest to anyone except philosophers. Newton’s work changed the world.

  69. Just to make sure. I am not Grigs. I am drinking my second bottle of Saint Emilion Grande Vin de Bordeaux 2018.
    Tpo shit this Spanish wine.
    At least it’s fresh. None of this stale shit for moi.
    I have a feeling that my quoit is going to get a hammering in the morning, but.
    No – not that way, you degenerate bastards.

  70. Bushkid

    Also when you do a catastrophe, you have to do a space before the words or you get the cediliah thingy.

    Whenever I have a catastrophe, Winston, it usually results in something ore exciting than one of those cedilla thingies. 🙂

  71. max

    It’s passing strange that Christians all over the world are beheaded, burnt and bombed but on this blog we’re told that atheists are in danger.

  72. DB, the point all you metaphysics lovers fail to grasp,

    LOL, that is precisely the answer E. A. Burtt would have expected.

  73. DrBeauGan

    LOL, that is precisely the answer E. A. Burtt would have expected.

    Well he’s right about something.

  74. duncanm

    I feel like Jeff Goldblum in ‘the fly’.

    Squished my right index finger and tore back the cuticle a couple of weeks back – the nail is about to drop off.

    bzzzt bzzzt

  75. DB, Newton and Leibniz both invented calculus. Newton made several comments explaining why he didn’t spend time on metaphysics. Leibniz of course did play with metaphysics, his theory of monads.

    The results are in. Monads had no consequence of interest to anyone except philosophers. Newton’s work changed the world.

    This is dumb. As Leibniz himself demonstrated, we do not have to choose either calculus or metaphysics, we can have both, and the person that recognizes this has the advantage.

  76. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s passing strange that Christians all over the world are beheaded, burnt and bombed but on this blog we’re told that atheists are in danger.

    It’s true.
    Atheists are infinitely more annoying than Christians, and only slightly less annoying than Vegans, Vegetarians, and Lesbians.
    It’s a wonder how they survive.
    The only thing more ridiculous than a live Atheist is an Atheist who tops themselves.
    Imagine purposely jumping the queue to an eternal nothingness that you believe in wholeheartedly.
    Just imagine.
    Genius.

  77. John Constantine

    Mainstream Churches are off limits for assaults as long as the mass migration model of Ponzi Big Australia keeps delivering.

    Small congregations though are different. In the voteherd branchstacked town of Shepparton, where the dispersal area theory has produced a London-in-the-bush optically united nations look, there has been temple assaults on less mainstream congregations.

    No arrests or convictions, just community meetings and pressure on racists to avoid the State having to crack down on any backlash.

    I know an old digger that attended a temple that was desecrated so often that it was near uninsureable, the State just has to sit back and watch demographics take over, when elderly pale stale colonists attend a place, but the imported youth desecrate it, in ten years or so demographics wins.

    ‘No enemies to the right’ should include these minor temples, but sadly to a number on the ‘right’ heresies are unacceptable and they are willing to see hereticals purged first.

    Constantinople fell more through internal hatreds than outside assaults.

    comrades.

  78. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    nukem bibi
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  79. Leigh Lowe

    Has anyone seen the Victorianistan Regime’s latest wymminses advert?
    Guy sitting in a cafe with half a dozen other blokes takes a call from his missus and gives her a couple of fairly non credible insults …
    “I’ve told you not to talk when I’m talking” and “do you practice being stupid?”
    His hipster mates (including one with a man-bun) “call him out”.
    What is interesting is that the first thing he says when he answers the call is … “What? But I gave you enough money for the ….”
    So, we have no context.
    Has he given her $500 for groceries and she’s pissed it away on the pokies or a pair of shoes they can’t afford?
    Standby for the next wave of abuse claims based on … “I’m not being kept in a manner that I’d like to become accustomed to.”

  80. DrBeauGan

    It’s true.
    Atheists are infinitely more annoying than Christians, and only slightly less annoying than Vegans, Vegetarians, and Lesbians.
    It’s a wonder how they survive.
    The only thing more ridiculous than a live Atheist is an Atheist who tops themselves.
    Imagine purposely jumping the queue to an eternal nothingness that you believe in wholeheartedly.

    It would depend on the alternative, stimpo.

  81. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    This is dumb. As Leibniz himself demonstrated, we do not have to choose either calculus or metaphysics, we can have both, and the person that recognizes this has the advantage.

    what advantage would that be?

  82. Snoopy

    Monty, what about Michael Avenatti coming into, so to speak, a lazy $8 million and Stormy Daniels at the same time? Coincidence hey?

    Do you think his 5 years working for Rahm Emanuel may have something to do with his luck?

  83. C.L.

    Via Planned Parenthood’s Twitter site (via Instapundit):

    How Motherhood Made Me a Better Abortion Provider.

    “Are you still planning on doing abortions after you have your baby?” a colleague asked. I was visibly pregnant in my third trimester and pushing a patient to the operating room. I was surprised at the question. We were friends, and most of my coworkers knew I became a doctor in order to provide abortion care. “Of course I am, why?” I asked her. She replied: “I just thought it might be hard to do abortions once you have a baby yourself.”

    “Nothing’s going to change,” I said with a smile…

    There is no Mother’s Day card to celebrate abortion. There are Mother’s Day cards to celebrate giving hugs, wiping noses, and kissing boo-boos—actions that are seen as the core of how a mother expresses love for her children. For my patients who were not parents, and did not want to be at that moment, or who never want to be a parent, I recognize their abortions as an act of intentional motherhood. Choosing when to parent is an act of love. For my patients that were already parenting, I feel the deep love they had both for the children they had and for the pregnancies they were ending. Choosing an abortion is an act of love.

    Sniper wanted.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Slight addition…

    Monty, what about Michael Avenatti – with tax debts that you couldn’t pole vault over – coming into, so to speak, a lazy $8 million and Stormy Daniels at the same time? Coincidence hey?

  85. C.L.

    Has anyone seen the Victorianistan Regime’s latest wymminses advert?
    Guy sitting in a cafe with half a dozen other blokes takes a call from his missus and gives her a couple of fairly non credible insults …
    “I’ve told you not to talk when I’m talking” and “do you practice being stupid?”
    His hipster mates (including one with a man-bun) “call him out”.

    LOL.

  86. JC

    CL

    I’m just wondering, when you took to reading Glamour Magazine?

  87. DrBeauGan

    This is dumb. As Leibniz himself demonstrated, we do not have to choose either calculus or metaphysics, we can have both, and the person that recognizes this has the advantage.

    Didn’t do Leibniz much good.

  88. what advantage would that be?

    See quotation above.

  89. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The U.N. says an alternative way of getting fuel to Gaza must be found urgently, warning of dwindling supplies needed to run hospitals, pick up garbage, pump water and treat sewage.

    The appeal late Sunday by the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) came two days after hundreds of Palestinians destroyed the fuel terminal at the main cargo crossing with Israel, the only entry point for fuel to Gaza. Officials say it could take months to repair the damage.

  90. Baldrick

    Leigh Lowe
    #2710665, posted on May 14, 2018 at 8:48 pm
    Has anyone seen the Victorianistan Regime’s latest wymminses advert?

    Mmmyes, a totally believable scenario …

  91. Snoopy

    Guy sitting in a cafe with half a dozen other blokes takes a call from his missus and gives her a couple of fairly non credible insults …
    “I’ve told you not to talk when I’m talking” and “do you practice being stupid?”
    His hipster mates (including one with a man-bun) “call him out”.

    If only the Australian fillum industry had more wymyn script writers.

  92. C.L.

    Trump is online:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
    5 minutes ago

    U.S. Embassy opening in Jerusalem will be covered live on @FoxNews & @FoxBusiness. Lead up to 9:00 A.M. (eastern) event has already begun. A great day for Israel!

  93. Stimpson J. Cat

    It would depend on the alternative, stimpo.

    No, no it wouldn’t.
    See that’s what I’m talking about.
    Atheists are just depressing in general.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    JC, isn’t Cyprus smack bang in the middle of the North Afrucan-Frankfurt freeway.

  95. Mother Lode

    St Emilion Spanish?

    Am I missing a joke?

  96. Snoopy

    JC, isn’t Cyprus smack bang in the middle of the North Afrucan-Frankfurt freeway.

    No.

  97. Geriatric Mayfly

    A great day for Israel!

    Twenty odd Arabs down at the border fence already. No doubt Hamas will keep ’em coming. And then begins all the sobbing and lamentation among the usual suspects throughout the western political classes and the media.

  98. JC

    I don’t know, Leigh. I thought Sicily was the main conduit, along with some Greek islands.

    In any event if they keep the riff raff out of the decent areas, who cares, right?

  99. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2710683, posted on May 14, 2018 at 9:02 pm
    It would depend on the alternative, stimpo.

    No, no it wouldn’t.
    See that’s what I’m talking about.
    Atheists are just depressing in general.

    Sorry if we make you feel cowardly Stimpy.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    Snoopy

    #2710686, posted on May 14, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    JC, isn’t Cyprus smack bang in the middle of the North Afrucan-Frankfurt freeway.

    No

    I stand corrected.
    Might look into it, except I don’t speak Cyprusian.

  101. Stimpson J. Cat

    Cyprus.

    Look, it sounds ethnic I don’t like it.
    Do they use knives and forks JC?

  102. Leigh Lowe

    The main thing to watch with foreign property is the add-ons (levies, legal fees, taxes).

  103. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    All I got from the above quote was

    human nature demands metaphysics for its full intellectual satisfaction

    that’s it

  104. Dan Dare

    LL
    It’s a wonder that milk wasn’t first cold pressed.
    Obviously second rate.

  105. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sorry if we make you feel cowardly Stimpy.

    Oh I’m bravely battling mental illness and male pattern baldness.
    And I haven’t topped myself.
    Some say I’m unconventionally attractive and heroic even.

    😁

  106. H B Bear

    Cyprus is full of old, retired Poms. Might as will buy something in Hillarys.

  107. Snoopy

    Cyprus was a British colony. Everyone speaks English. Still has a large RAF base.

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2710692, posted on May 14, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    Cyprus.

    Look, it sounds ethnic I don’t like it.

    Ethnics are just fine.
    What you don’t want is a place full of pasty Poms whingeing that they can’t get a good pint or the ethnics can’t make a decent cuppa tea or a chip butty.

  109. JC

    Stimson

    No, I think they use chop sticks and the right hand there.

    I keep trying to talk wifey into shipping out for good, but she won’t leave her 3 dozen sisters and assorted pals. Even Italy now has a deal going that you can live there virtually income tax free if you remit (I think I was told) E 60,ooo to their tax authority each year and no further questions asked. The problem with this though is that if you have a stock portfolio the tax jurisdiction where you own those stocks clips you for withholding on divs… UK, US and Australia do. US is 15% and of course Australia is 30%.

  110. JC

    Cyprus is full of old, retired Poms.

    Like Spain isn’t? But I know what you mean.

  111. Leigh Lowe

    Dan Dare

    #2710698, posted on May 14, 2018 at 9:10 pm

    LL
    It’s a wonder that milk wasn’t first cold pressed.

    Might have been.
    I couldn’t read the fine print on account of my eyes rolling back in my head.

  112. JC

    Oh I’m bravely battling mental illness and male pattern baldness.

    Which is the worst ailment of those two?

  113. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Twenty odd Arabs down at the border fence already.

    what high score do they have to beat?

  114. Did I miss any DrBG pearls?

    I thought not.

  115. JC

    Which Med island had a muzzo problem and needed to be divided into two and policed? I thought it was Cyprus, no? Crete?

  116. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is it a rule that we have to jump to the defence of the Kittehs when someone makes a remark?

    Not that I’ve noticed, especially early April this year, (she says somewhat tersely). But some nice people do notice when it gets way beyond a joke. I’ve fought my own battles here often enough anyway, and tend to come out bruised but smiling. As Gab implies, we’re made tough if we stay the distance on the Cat. Nearly ten years for me, and there have been some really good times, and kindly times when I’ve been delighted to call this place home and say that I love it.

    Things change, live with it. But leave me alone.

    The only comments I really object to are those made by Grigorae, which carry a certain element of sadism, nastiness and a real desire to hurt. I have found Johanna’s desire to drive me off or to out my privacy rather disconcerting, but I put it down to her unhappiness, nothing else, and I hope she returns to comment here. She is not a troll, and her comments about me are enjoined by some others; so be it.

    I write this sitting in a Salaryman hotel in a city you and no-one else has ever heard of – Obihiro-Otofuke – towards the end of an expressway from the new Hokkaido airport Chitose, after a long drive through mountains capped with snow and bursting forth in at least five shades of green, plus various russets and browns, as the new leaves uncoil further by the day to bring into being this latitude’s brief summer fling. The weather here is up and down hot and cold, and I am using all layers of clothing to good effect. In this strange city we had no booking, didn’t intend to stay here, so my trusty Japanese phrasebook got a workout as I organised a high floor room in this Salaryman’s paradise, where if I used the onsen I must click in a special code so that curious Salarymen don’t burst in full of springtime glee. We now head out to sample the cuisine in the city’s finest eateries. Tomorrow we visit the cranes, where Johanna Lumley did a show in winter. Then on to the edge of Hokkaido looking over at territories disputed with Russia. Sakalin and the Curile Islands are not far away for island hopping to Russia. Hakodate, where we were yesterday, and Matsumae where the cherry blossoms were, are slap bang alongside North Korea. You can see why they are/were worried about nuclear Kim Fat One.

  117. cohenite

    All I got from the above quote was

    human nature demands metaphysics for its full intellectual satisfaction

    that’s it

    There’s a lot of dissatisfied people out there. Why am I here; is this all there is; fuck it.

  118. DrBeauGan

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2710696, posted on May 14, 2018 at 9:09 pm
    All I got from the above quote was

    human nature demands metaphysics for its full intellectual satisfaction

    that’s it

    And it’s not even true.

  119. Stimpson J. Cat

    Which is the worst ailment of those two?

    I would definitely say male pattern baldness but I have more than one mental illness so it’s not really a fair comparison. Also I miss my mental illness when it’s absent more than I miss my hair.
    It’s quite fascinating actually.
    😁

  120. H B Bear

    Cold pressed cows milk.

    A piss-take? You can’t be too sure – I had some gluten free corn chips this afternoon and occasionally enjoy some fat free jelly babies.

  121. Snoopy

    It is Cyprus. The northern part has a largely unregonised independent Turkish state. Erdogan could possibly stir things up in future, but the British bases should keep him in check.

  122. JC

    Stimson,

    What is the diagnosis? …..mental side, not what’s absent from the top of your scone?

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Jeez, JC.
    EUR 60,000 is AUD 100 large.
    That’s a big drop for the dubious pleasure of having the Ities charge you EUR 10 for a coffee and clog their roads with blown up Fiats.

  124. JC

    It is Cyprus. The northern part has a largely unregonised independent Turkish state. Erdogan could possibly stir things up in future, but the British bases should keep him in check.

    That’s a little on the risk side.

  125. Leigh Lowe

    Which Med island had a muzzo problem and needed to be divided into two and policed?

    East and West Germany.

  126. John Constantine

    Turkey invaded Cyprus, killed a lot of people and never revealed where it dumped the bodies.

    Got away with it because Cold War.

    Now Mad Caliph erdogan is claiming the offshore gas reserves of the island, because of exceptionalism and the need to claim reparations from the racist crusades.

    http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/03/24/turkey-will-take-measures-protect-interests-east-med/

  127. All I got from the above quote was

    This is only a few lines in:

    Of course it goes without saying that in this case your metaphysics will be held uncritically because it is unconscious ; moreover, it will be passed on to others far more readily than your other notions inasmuch as it will be propagated by insinuation rather than by direct argument.

    And apparently it does not go without saying.

  128. Accusing me of being the sort to burn heretics, not a personal attack at all.

    Like I said, absolutely clueless.

    I’m pretty sure someone who opposes abortion and euthanasia is highly unlikely to be torching atheists, or anyone else, for that matter, who are not the same as heretics, by the way.

    I see stupid Tony has decided to jump in as well. Oooh witch finder that’s a keeper.

    As for searching the archives oh please I’ve been out enjoying myself.

    I’ll just sit back now and watch DB run rings around you until you start getting hissy.

  129. JC

    Yea, Leigh

    I’ve been in Italy in the summer and once in spring. I think it would be miserable in winter. Not my sort of place. Cyprus is a lot more south and presumably has marginally better weather. However, if it gets the sirocco, which is the Saharan winds in the summer it would be unbearable.

  130. Geriatric Mayfly

    Twenty odd Arabs down at the border fence already.
    what high score do they have to beat?

    The Oz says only seven. The IDF will have to lift their game if this is the case.

  131. Stimpson J. Cat

    What is the diagnosis? …..mental side, not what’s absent from the top of your scone?

    Bipolar Type 1, ADHD, etc etc.

  132. JC

    Turkey invaded Cyprus, killed a lot of people and never revealed where it dumped the bodies.

    Got away with it because Cold War.

    The Turks need a decent clipping. That Erdo is a big mouth thug and they keep voting for the swine. It should be taken over, Islam banned and Istanbul renamed Constantinople.

  133. H B Bear

    Wait till the Eurabian civil war JC. Pick up a nice little fixer upper if the muzzies are driven out again.

  134. DrBeauGan

    There’s a lot of dissatisfied people out there. Why am I here; is this all there is; fuck it.

    Perhaps they don’t know enough about what’s out there, Cohenite. Or maybe they don’t have my sunny personality. I find the universe a wonderful and beautiful place and will be sorry to leave it. And the more I find out about it, the more amazing it is.

  135. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan got away with his Stalin style Purge of the Unsound.

    Now he is killing whoever he wants on multiple fronts and Mad Mutti Merkel has imported a million of his jihadis.

    Cyprus is a bigger flashpoint than the norks.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/22/turkey-to-send-drill-ship-to-contested-gas-field-off-cyprus

  136. JC

    Bipolar Type 1, ADHD, etc etc.

    You know, that’s a perfect diagnosis for trading -especially the ADHD part. I can, but I really can’t be fucked focusing on anything for too long, as I get terminally bored. Good traders never over-think. Over thinking can lose you money.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #2710746, posted on May 14, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    Yea, Leigh

    I’ve been in Italy in the summer and once in spring. I think it would be miserable in winter. 

    Yes, some hilltop towns in Tuscany are known to get snow.
    Why not Italy for 6 months, Oz for six months?

  138. H B Bear

    Might need a little work if downtown Raqqa is any indication.

  139. JC

    Wait till the Eurabian civil war JC. Pick up a nice little fixer upper if the muzzies are driven out again.

    It’s just a hunch, Bear, but I reckon there’s going to be a huge civil explosion in France in the next few years. Again, it’s just a hunch, but I reckon they’re very close to boiling over and a lot of bad shit happening – not necessarily to the frogs either… if you know what I mean. The frogs can be really bad tempered.

  140. Leigh Lowe

    Good traders never over-think. 

    So that’s what those thrown bets and steak lunches are all about.
    You’re trying to recruit the mOnster to trading.
    No-one … but no-one … under-thinks like mOnster.

  141. Mark A

    Obihiro
    “Otofuke ”
    As bad as that? Must be, if it made you swear.

  142. JC

    Yes, some hilltop towns in Tuscany are known to get snow.
    Why not Italy for 6 months, Oz for six months?

    Because I bought a “fixer upper” in NYC and would like to live there for part of the year that doesn’t cause a tax event.

  143. Fat Tony

    Hey Stupid nota – it’s Fat Tony, ya dumbass.

  144. John Constantine

    all those brave Kurdish women snipers shooting at isis?.

    Mad Caliph erdogan is going to bomb the lot of them to death from the air, or shell them, or crush them under tanks.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/turkey-kills-at-least-260-kurdish-is-fighters-in-syria-offensive-military

  145. Leigh Lowe

    I know it is adjacent to mad Moozleys, but Croatia has great weather, is fairly cheap and fiercely independent (probably not least because of some recent friction with the neighbours).

  146. DrBeauGan

    Of course it goes without saying that in this case your metaphysics will be held uncritically because it is unconscious ; moreover, it will be passed on to others far more readily than your other notions inasmuch as it will be propagated by insinuation rather than by direct argument.

    And apparently it does not go without saying.

    So we have to have metaphysical beliefs, and if we think we don’t, that means we’re unconscious of them, but we’ve got them anyway.

    Just like cats and dogs. And cockroaches. All lumbered with metaphysical beliefs and unable to even articulate them. No wonder they’re all consumed by existential angst.

  147. C.L.

    I’m pretty sure someone who opposes abortion and euthanasia is highly unlikely to be torching atheists …

    Indeed. Nor would we hire a sniper but every now and then I like to recollect for posterity that CBS once openly called for George W. Bush to be assassinated.

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Because I bought a “fixer upper” in NYC and would like to live there for part of the year that doesn’t cause a tax event.

    Probably what I was hinting at.
    In most jurisdictions 180 days is the tax trigger.

  149. C.L.

    Wow. I’m just learning about Michael Avenatti being paid $8000,000 by a mystery benefactor.
    Get in here, Monty, and explain where this money came from.

  150. JC

    No-one … but no-one … under-thinks like mOnster.

    Naaa, Monst is just a bloke wanting to be Lesbian.

  151. Rae

    The only comments I really object to are those made by Grigorae, which carry a certain element of sadism, nastiness and a real desire to hurt.

    Beth. I do like “Grigorae”, for reasons I have previously mentioned. And I know you don’t really mean those other things in that sentence, because you know it is not so.

    And, while I think you may be gilding the lily, I will make no comment on your claim to have fought your own battles here. I will though, raise a querulous eyebrow.

  152. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    This is only a few lines in:

    Of course it goes without saying that in this case your metaphysics will be held uncritically because it is unconscious ; moreover, it will be passed on to others far more readily than your other notions inasmuch as it will be propagated by insinuation rather than by direct argument.

    And apparently it does not go without saying

    we are in circular territory here

  153. Steve trickler.

    Far out. A smart phone today, compared to the computing power in that room from 1980.



  154. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan claims Turkmenistan, the old soviet socialist republic as his own sardauker breeding dystopia.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/naz-nazar/anti-gulen-campaign-in-turkmenistan

  155. Boambee John

    Fuck off troll, I am getting Repetitive Scrolling Injury from your presence.

  156. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Macron’s most important project since he was elected has been the creation of new Islamic institutions destined to adapt France to Islam — not to adapt Islam to France. Many more mosques will be built, financed with taxpayer money; departments of Islamic culture will open in universities, and imam training centers created.

    Macron’s main advisor on this subject is Hakim El Karoui, the author of a book (“Islam, a French Religion”) explaining that Islam is now the main religion in the country; that prejudices of non-Muslims are the source of most troubles, and that helping Muslims to have access to more important positions in French society is of the utmost urgency.

    Sadly, it will also be difficult for President Macron, Prime Minister May and Chancellor Merkel to hide that they are appeasers of Islam and the weak commanders of countries they are allowing to decay.

  157. cohenite

    Perhaps they don’t know enough about what’s out there, Cohenite. Or maybe they don’t have my sunny personality. I find the universe a wonderful and beautiful place and will be sorry to leave it. And the more I find out about it, the more amazing it is.

    Yes of course. Metaphysics is such an internalised process. Pragmatically the external has to be dealt with first; and there’s nothing more aesthetic than a nice meal and wine. Personally I think the metaphysics question begins and ends with humour. For instance women don’t find this funny:

    I read a book called Cecil the Aardvark goes quantity surveying.

  158. DrBeauGan

    I suppose DB would regard the view that metaphysical argument is a fatuous wordgame that wastes time as a metaphysical position. I don’t. I see it as the same kind of view as declining to play making mud pies because there are better games.

    Can’t stop you doing it, DB, and wouldn’t if I could. Just don’t expect me to join in.

  159. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan mobilises his mass imported forces inside Germany to protest against Armenian interests.

    https://massispost.com/2018/03/turkeys-erdogan-personally-ordered-protests-germany-armenian-genocide-bill/

    Cyprus, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Syria. Iraq.

    Mad Caliph erdogan is fighting everybody and the insane godless commos want him in their European union, so he can invade and get his troops paid welfare.

  160. Shy Ted

    Zimbabweans eating an elephant
    Fights broke out as villagers battled to strip chunks of flesh from the animal and drag them away to feed their families.
    It took just one hour and 47 minutes for the 13ft-tall elephant to be reduced to a skeleton. Every part was used for food, even the trunk and ears.

    Marise Payne could have reduced it to a skeleton in half the time.

  161. DrBeauGan

    I read a book called Cecil the Aardvark goes quantity surveying.

    Some women must think that’s funny, surely, Cohenite?

    I’ll try it out on Spiky.

  162. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “The American dream ended on November 6th, 2012. The second term of Barack Obama has been the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history of mankind.

    FELLOW TRAVELERS

    A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the “forever needy,” the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other “fellow travelers” have ended Norman Rockwell’s America.

    You will never again out-vote- these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take zealots, not moderates and shy, not reach-across-the-aisle RINOS to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status.

  163. Makka

    Mad Caliph erdogan mobilises his mass imported forces inside Germany to protest against Armenian interests.

    Not so mad though. Running rings around Merkel and the EU. Forced them to pay up $4 Billion to close the reffo gates into Greece.

  164. DrBeauGan

    Spiky wanted to know what the book was about.

  165. John Constantine

    What happened to all the nuclear weapons their Hussein Obama placed into Mad caliph erdogans hands as a poison pill for the Trumpnado?.

    Mad mcmadface erdogan is fighting the kurds and Syria and Iraq and Cyprus and Turkmenistan and Armenia and wants to genocide the jooose and hates Bulgaria and has done anschluss to Azerbaijan .

    https://news.am/eng/news/448242.html

  166. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan seeks revenge in nagorno-karabakh

    https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/erdogan-seeks-revenge-karabakh/ri13738

    Who is this fucker not invading and fighting?.

  167. So we have to have metaphysical beliefs, and if we think we don’t, that means we’re unconscious of them, but we’ve got them anyway.

    Just like cats and dogs. And cockroaches.

    This is a curious defense.

    I suppose DB would regard the view that metaphysical argument is a fatuous wordgame that wastes time as a metaphysical position. I don’t. I see it as the same kind of view as declining to play making mud pies because there are better games.

    An idolum theatri makes an appearance.

  168. John Constantine

    Mad caliph erdogan to encourage his orcs in bosnia-herzogovina.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-election-bosnia/turkeys-erdogan-to-visit-bosnia-ahead-of-june-election-idUSKBN1I82A9

    Using godless commo eurotrash money to buy an election in an European country.

    Who isn’t this fuck invading?.

  169. Fisky

    CATO Institute scholar Alex Nowrestah is (inadvertently) making a solid case for the Trump administration’s immigration policies!

    Trump temporarily halted the entire refugee program last year, claiming that terrorists would get into the country masquerading as refugees. It started up again for most countries, but Trump precipitously cut the number of refugees the U.S. will accept. If admissions for 2018 continue at their current pace, 75 percent% fewer refugees will arrive this year than in 2016. Trump even canceled a planned pilot program that would have allowed private individuals or charities to sponsor refugees and absorb all welfare costs — the kind of program Canada has had for more than a decade.

    Preventing terrorism was the reason given for Trump’s so-called Muslim ban, an executive order that limits or altogether bars visas for citizens of several Muslim-majority countries, North Korea and Venezuela. Lower courts keep ruling against it, but the ban and related policies are having a big effect. For instance, while all refugee numbers are down from 2016, the number of Muslim refugees has been cut by 91 percent. Immigrant visas issued to people from Muslim-majority countries are down 26 percent, and temporary visitors from Muslim-majority countries by 32 percent.

    Last year, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson ordered additional security screenings for all immigrants and visitors seeking visas — a move also presented as a way of keeping out terrorists. Immigration attorney Shabnam Lotfi told me that these new procedures, “are causing significant and expensive delays for visa applicants who have already been vetted under the current effective security procedures.”

    Bravo!

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-trump-legal-immigration-0513-20180513-story.html

  170. we are in circular territory here

    Not at all.

  171. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan puts his foor down in Albania.

    http://theduran.com/breaking-erdogan-says-no-greater-albania/

    Where is this fucker not pissing?.

  172. John Constantine

    Mad caliph erdogan calls Macedonia ” our brothers”

    Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has described the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia as “our brothers” and insisted Ankara would always stand by Skopje.

    FYROM media reported Erdogan’s comments made at a conference of immigrants from Balkan countries to Turkey. The Turkish leader is currently in Italy on an historic meeting with Pope Francis

    http://greece.greekreporter.com/2018/02/05/erdogan-greece-wrong-over-macedonia-dispute/

  173. Dr Fred Lenin

    Used to know a guy who made home brew it was so strong he had to put his Jamas . on and sit on the bed before he could drink the second bottle . Made wine look like mineral water .

  174. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    we are in circular territory here

    Not at all.

    the original claim was that metaphysics provided some sort of advantage, all I can get from above is some satisfaction from having one. and if you don’t have one its unconscious anyway and hence satisfying.

    there is just nothing there beyond circular word games.

  175. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan and Montenegro

    Çavuşoğlu is clear – Montenegro is a very stable country in the region and it is an ally of Turkey.

    https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2017/05/10/cavusoglu-erdogan-to-visit-montenegro-by-end-of-the-year/

    Anybody keeping a list of what the godlesshippy fucks at their European union are funding erdogan to do? with Hussein obamas nukes?.

  176. DrBeauGan

    the original claim was that metaphysics provided some sort of advantage, all I can get from above is some satisfaction from having one. and if you don’t have one its unconscious anyway and hence satisfying.

    there is just nothing there beyond circular word games.

    He’s going to suck you into playing them or blow a foofle valve, Zippy. Don’t encourage him.

  177. John Constantine

    Erdogan, Pope Form Unholy, Anti-Trump Alliance to Control

    Mad caliph erdogan and pope hippy both hate the Trumpnado shifting the American embassy to Jerusalem.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/05/pope-francis-gives-peace-symbol-gift-president-erdogan-turkish/

  178. cohenite

    Spiky wanted to know what the book was about.

    Tell her Metaphysics.

  179. DrBeauGan

    Zippy, you could go through his original quote and replace every occurrence of ‘metaphysics’ with ‘making mud pies’. I don’t have the energy myself, but it might amuse you more than arguing on his ground.

  180. DrBeauGan

    Tell her Metaphysics.

    😁

  181. the original claim was that metaphysics provided some sort of advantage, all I can get from above is some satisfaction from having one. and if you don’t have one its unconscious anyway and hence satisfying.

    No, the original claim was that one has either on express or implied metaphysic and that the advantage lay in the former. The quotation was quite straightforward.

  182. Snoopy

    There must be life after death. I’m just too amazing and wonderful to die finish.

  183. DrBeauGan

    I guess if a circular argument is long enough, everyone will think it’s a straight line.

  184. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan gets bases in Sudan.

    Turkey has started work at Sudan’s Suakin Island, ostensibly to turn it into a cultural and tourist center. SIgnificantly, as per the recent agreement with Sudan, Turkey received full administrative power over the island, potentially allowing it to host a military presence. The choice of Suakin Island, a significant site from the Ottoman era, is strategic: considering the direct access to the Red Sea, Turkey’s presence on the Island could provide President Erdogan with new economic and geopolitical leverage. A permanent Turkish presence in the Sudanese ports at the Red Sea will provide access to one of the busiest oil transit routes in the world, with over 4.5 million barrels of oil a day making its way from the Persian Gulf to the Suez Canal.

    https://globalriskinsights.com/2018/02/turkeys-africa-influence/

  185. DrBeauGan

    The quotation was quite straightforward.

    Oh dear, you’re cheating already DB, and it isn’t even ten o’clock. Zippy wasn’t talking about the quotation but your claim that metaphysical rambling gave Leibniz some mysterious advantage.

    The quotation was so chock full of crap assertions without any credibility that it isn’t worth considering.

  186. I knew that quotation was right over the target.

  187. Anthony

    The lemmings of Gaza are on the move.
    After today the palis won’t have to worry about fuel shortages – given the population reduction.

  188. DrBeauGan

    Oh, stimpy, that was fun!

  189. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan in Chad.

    n a landmark visit to Chad, the Turkish president said Tuesday that Turkey never viewed Africa like the colonizers did, and never would. Speaking at the Chad-Turkey Business Forum in the capital N’djamena, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said: “We never viewed Africa like the colonists who came to this land.”

    “Our relations on the African continent are based on mutual respect, love, the win-win principle. We are trying to develop our relationships with an understanding that aims for development together , management together, enrichment together.”

    Erdoğan called for a boost to bilateral trade with Chad, calling on Turkish investors to invest more in the central African nation. “Turkey has 80 million people and Chad has 15 million. This means our two brotherly countries have 95 million people.

    https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/2017/12/28/erdogan-calls-for-more-turkish-investments-in-chad

  190. DrBeauGan

    I knew that quotation was right over the target.

    You’d have been more interesting if it had been mud pies, DB.

  191. Snoopy

    Fuck that Erdogan. Why are we letting him pick the eyes out of the best countries in the world?

  192. DrBeauGan

    DB, try to get an argument going with m0nty. It could give us a laugh, and we could place bets on which of you would drive the other bananas first.

    My money would be on you. But then, m0nts is more than half way there already.

  193. Oh dear, you’re cheating already DB, and it isn’t even ten o’clock. Zippy wasn’t talking about the quotation but your claim that metaphysical rambling gave Leibniz some mysterious advantage.

    Really, even when I directed him specifically to Burtt’s quotation in reply to his question.

    The quotation was so chock full of crap assertions without any credibility that it isn’t worth considering.

    As I said, right over the target.

  194. DrBeauGan

    Really, even when I directed him specifically to Burtt’s quotation in reply to his question.

    Misdirection if ever there was one. Nothing in Burtt’s quotation gives a reason for thinking that metaphysics gives anything except skill in making mud pies. Or playing a slightly more intellectual but less satisfying game.

  195. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan arms his orcs in Libya.

    https://www.turkishminute.com/2018/01/29/opinion-turkeys-erdogan-continues-to-fuel-war-in-libya/

    Must get him into their European union with all hell bent unwavering decolonialising urgency.

    Giving erdogan the right to send as many of his people as he wants into any European country and claim welfare, what could go wrong?.

  196. John Constantine

    Mad Caliph erdogan puts the Greeks in their place.

    We challenge Greece to set foot on Imia. If that happens we will defend [the islets] to the death from the moment that Erdogan gives the order,” Bulut said.

    The warning came just a few hours after Bulut warned of a “strike” in the eastern Mediterranean if any attempt to explore or drill for hydrocarbons goes ahead without Ankara’s approval.

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/226409/article/ekathimerini/news/erdogan-advisor-declares-turkey-will-defend-imia-to-the-death

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I guess if a circular argument is long enough, everyone will think it’s a straight line.

    Yep. That’s the flat earth theory, Dr. BG.

    We have just returned from dinner. We went to a cute little place on a corner, my choice, a traditional wooden hole in the wall, the doorway hung with those things with Japanese writing on you have to push aside and duck under to get in. There were a few food signs and other signs outside. Inside was a bar and bar stools, with a back room of cushions for sitting on to eat. Two heavily made-up and hairdo’d women were sitting at the bar. They shared a joke as we entered. Hairy suggested to me in an aside as we sat down that we may have entered a pick-up joint. The older barman served us with some hot sake and a dish of indescribables to eat with chopsticks. The women giggled as a Salaryman came in and sat next to them. He departed later, as they did. A few words were exchanged between them and I doubt we ruined his night.

    We got friendly with the old barman, and especially, his young son, who suggested various menu items for us, which his mother cooked on a grill out the back (the whole place was quite minescule). The fried fish was good, but we then chose shashimi fish and when he pointed to octopus as well, we nodded OK. Well, I don’t mind raw fish but I do advise against raw octopus; it is very slimey and stringy and even when disguised with wasabi sauce and some other sauce in a dish it still was hard to get it all down. The hot sake helped; Hairy polished off the last piece of mine that I just couldn’t manage. The son and I got friendly over my phrase book, and there was great hilarity over accents and what we could say to each other. We departed great friends with much bowing, and Hairy kicking a football and saying good luck against Russia, which was appreciated.

  198. John Constantine

    We will break the arms and legs of the [Greek] Prime Minister [Alexis Tsipras] or of any minister, who dares to step onto Imia in the Aegean,”

    Mad Caliph erdogan will do worse to Greece than he is doing to Syria.

    https://www.rt.com/news/417751-turkey-greece-islands-dispute/

    Of course, their abc have hysterics over Trumpnado being a threat to world peace and want an abctopia of erdogans turkey having open borders with the European union.

    comrades.

  199. jupes

    comrades.

    Thanks for the updates John.

    Good to know.

  200. Snoopy

    Babak Taghvaee
    @BabakTaghvaee
    BREAKING: According to my source in #Iran Defense Industries Org., #NorthKorea|n scientists & engineers who were assisting Shahid Bagheri Industries Co. to design & develop a special variant of Hwasong-10 Musudan Ballistic Missile for #IRGC named as #Khorramshahr have left #Iran.

    Babak Taghvaee
    @BabakTaghvaee
    May 13
    BREAKING: #Iran’s Shahid Bagheri Missile Industries Company & other companies connected to Iranian Defense Industries Organization were dependent on #NorthKorea to design & develop their short & intermediate range ballistic missiles for #IRGC. Now #NorthKorea has left them.

    Via Insty

  201. C.L.

    An intriguing scoop at Instapundit which is, indeed, Yuge, if true.
    It points to a masterstroke of foreign policy without precedent in recent US history.

  202. max

    Future Anzac commemorations at Suvla may depend on a hefty contribution to the Erdogan Foundation and Retirement Fund.

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ha. Reading talk upthread about eating elephant’s ears brought it all back to me. Tonight, when we grabbed the various menu cards, there was one which seemed unusual. Pig, said the bartender helpfully. Let’s have dat one, said Hairy, till I cancelled it, pointing out that clearly the item consisted of stuff pigs ears (you could still see the shape and the pointy ends of them). Now Hairy is busy checking up other exotics online; apparently 400 metres from here you can buy tinned bear meat. Hairy intends to buy some bear meat tomorrow, at a racecourse where they race draughthorses pulling sleds, the jockeys in racing gear – nowhere else in the world do they do this apparently. You can eat it, I say, even if we do manage to get it through customs.

  204. C.L.

    Trump’s speech for the opening of the new US Embassy in Jerusalem:

    https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/996019457972621312

  205. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We had intended to spend tonight at a ‘bear resort’ till I rang on the way and found out they don’t have a hotel attached. Hence we are in this rather strange place tonight. If you go walking in these areas, particularly further on, they advise you to ‘take bells’ to make a noise. To tell the bears where you are, or to repell them? I enquire. No-one seems too sure.

  206. Snoopy

    Michael Avenatt’s $8 million may have come from anti-Trump Saudis?

    It’s a crazy world.

  207. Snoopy

    The abscess at the centre of this worldwide corruption is the Clinton Foundation. Trump’s win is huge.

  208. C.L.

    That graphic linking Avanetti to Saudi intelligence is devastating.
    You’d think the FBI might want to take a look at that.

  209. Steve trickler.

    Good music for a Monday night. It’ll bounce around in your head for a while. Or dissipate very quickly.



    Worthy repeat.

  210. Snoopy

    That graphic linking Avanetti to Saudi intelligence is devastating.
    You’d think the FBI might want to take a look at that.

    No doubt Mueller’s D-Men are busy tracking down the guy who designed that graphic already.

  211. JC

    How do we know, the lawyer received US$8 million? Where’s that information coming from?

  212. JC

    Trickler:

    The fellas in the vid are very gay + annoying hipsters. The gal should go for a new wardrobe. I’d take a pass.

  213. JC

    FFS, A-rabs are real drama queens. Get a load of these Headers at Drudge

    IDF THWARTS TERROR ATTACK…
    LIVE UPDATES…
    Netanyahu praises Trump for ‘real leadership’…
    ERDOGAN: USA has lost ‘mediator role’…
    Arab league to meet over ‘illegal’ move…
    Iran urges global resistance…
    Yemen Fires Missile at Saudi Oil Facility…
    Al-Qaeda leader calls for new jihad…

  214. Steve trickler.

    JC
    #2710943, posted on May 15, 2018 at 1:09 am

    Trickler:

    The fellas in the vid are very gay + annoying hipsters. The gal should go for a new wardrobe. I’d take a pass.

    Nah.

    The music is refreshing. Glad to discover it. The shit we hear today!

  215. Snoopy

    JC
    #2710942, posted on May 15, 2018 at 1:05 am
    How do we know, the lawyer received US$8 million? Where’s that information coming from?

    Court documents (scroll down)

  216. calli

    Lots of consternation at dinner over the US embassy and stirrings in Israel.

    I’m glad our holiday has come to an end. Almost to a man, our travelling companions went bugman over Trump and Bibi.

    Never go bugman on vacation. It’s bad for the blood pressure.

  217. calli

    That Garrison one is great. Very Escher.

  218. Tintarella di Luna

    Tom what a collection this morning, if I had to pick one it would be Varvel #2 the look on Trump’s face is so accurate

  219. Tom

    I’m glad our holiday has come to an end. Almost to a man, our travelling companions went bugman over Trump and Bibi.

    Just as 90% of US news media is an anti-Trump Democratic Party lapdog, 90% of global news media feeds its audience a constant stream of racist invective against and hatred of the Jooish state. And 90% of global tourists parrot what their news media tells them to think.

    Unethical news media is the biggest single threat to democracy worldwide.

  220. Leigh Lowe

    I’m glad our holiday has come to an end. Almost to a man, our travelling companions went bugman over Trump and Bibi

    Americans?

  221. Tom

    … and just as I write those words, leftist ideologue Shepard Smith starts his shift at Fox News Channel with a stream of pro-Hamas invective against Israel and PM Netanyahu.

  222. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    No, the original claim was that one has either on express or implied metaphysic and that the advantage lay in the former. The quotation was quite straightforward.

    and still we are none the wiser as to what advantage that might provide…

  223. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ben Garrison doing Esher is the top for me!

    Johannes Leak has one in the Oz today. And maybe a second one with Nick Cater’s column, which I can’t link since I don’t subscribe.

  224. Baldrick

    Cheers Tom. I see Garrison has even drawn m0nty at the bottom right. He must read the Cat.

  225. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    current score: 55

    Palisimians need to get a wiggle on, still haven’t beaten their high score from 2014 or 2007

  226. John Constantine

    For Lizzie and her Bear resort supplying bells question.

    Watch For Bears Joke

    This Joke is meant for Boy Scouts.

    The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
    They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
    Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear’s sensitive nose and it will run away.
    It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
    Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

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