Wednesday Forum: May 16, 2018

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  1. JC needs no defense by others, but I can’t recall him ever seriously supporting Trump.
    He may have dropped an approving one liner every now and then when Trump’s actions made him money.

    He has been saying all along that there was nothing to the Russia stuff. That is the support for Trump I am talking about.

  2. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty

    Do you think it is okay that muslims should take Africans into slavery?

  3. Mark A

    m0nty
    #2712617, posted on May 17, 2018 at 12:48 am
    He has been saying all along that there was nothing to the Russia stuff. That is the support for Trump I am talking about.

    Well OK, if that’s the criteria, then count me in as a 100% Trump supporter.
    I think the Russian thing was a concoction to begin with and now it’s a fizzer soon to be out.

  4. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2712620, posted on May 17, 2018 at 1:03 am

    No, OWG.

    But they have done and they do.

  5. zyconoclast

    Sweden in Free Fall

    If it is considered ‘objectionable’ in the West to talk about the factual consequences of migration, in Sweden it is now viewed as a crime.

    The kind of ‘integration’ that the mosque in Växjö is reportedly spreading to the local Muslim inhabitants is that Muslims are urged not to participate in the Christmas celebration of “kuffars” [a derogatory term for ‘disbelievers’], and Jews are, of course, mentioned as the enemies of Allah. The mosque’s school uses Saudi Arabian school curricula, and encourages women not to dress in ‘Western clothes’.

  6. OneWorldGovernment

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2712621, posted on May 17, 2018 at 1:06 am

    m0nty
    #2712620, posted on May 17, 2018 at 1:03 am

    No, OWG.

    But they have done and they do.

    American Democrats where the KKK stuff.

    And abuse people.

  7. Mark A

    m0nty
    #2712624, posted on May 17, 2018 at 1:10 am

    It’s only just after 5PM here, what’s your excuse of being up?

  8. Snoopy

    Hey Monty, where did Avenatti get the Cohens’ banking information from?

    Note the placement of the apostrophe.

  9. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #2712626, posted on May 17, 2018 at 1:16 am

    Hey Monty, where did Avenatti get the Cohens’ banking information from?

    Note the placement of the apostrophe.

    I’m glad I’m not involved with politics anymore, it was bad enough here on a branch level. What goes on in the US at the moment is sickening.

    Nice work with thee apostrophe BTW

  10. My one year old often wakes up at this time of night, Mark.

  11. Hey Monty, where did Avenatti get the Cohens’ banking information from?

    Some brave whistleblower.

  12. Mark A

    m0nty
    #2712628, posted on May 17, 2018 at 1:31 am

    My one year old often wakes up at this time of night, Mark.

    Memories past, Oh I wish them back. No I don’t. Wouldn’t mind shedding some years but.

  13. nemkat

    Knight has done a good job on the horror that is Markle.

  14. OneWorldGovernment

    Government as a designer or as an enabler or just a slut waiting for the next UN gentle putsch.

    There are 2 Australia’s and geographically they are divided by the Eastern and part Southern (coastal) divide AND the rest of Australia.

    The coastal part of Australia is just a foul cesspit represented by Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane which collectively would not even represent 1% of the Australian land mass.

    But if you want to look at bullshit then check ABS 1370.0 – Measures of Australia’s Progress, 2010 which states,

    Almost two-thirds (63%) of land in Australia has been modified for human use, primarily grazing on natural vegetation (BRS 2010a). Clearing of native vegetation continues to occur for agriculture, plantation forestry, and urban development (DEWHA 2006a).

    When the ships and trucks no longer bring produce to the foul sinks of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane then will Canberra shine in the glory of UN Forces who come to take control.

    As envisioned by the 1960’s Club of Rome.

  15. OneWorldGovernment

    This is what our Australian masters believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

    AND

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

    Australia will have only a remnant Aboriginal population whether white or black.

  16. OneWorldGovernment

    And farquing kangaroos that don’t exist as far as dumb shit eastern state folk are concerned.

  17. Zatara

    How hopeless does a society have to be not to be able to make an operable copy of a piece of 4th Century BC technology?

    If it worked that would be a video of them using it.

  18. OneWorldGovernment

    So when will the scum politicians get rid of cash?

    As per UN diktat.

    What do the smart ‘elites’ that supposedly run the Reserve Bank reckon?

  19. OneWorldGovernment

    Zatara
    #2712651, posted on May 17, 2018 at 5:52 am

    How hopeless does a society have to be not to be able to make an operable copy of a piece of 4th Century BC technology?

    If it worked that would be a video of them using it.

    I can’t understand why Israel doesn’t use a firefighting water bomber plane on the evil xunts.

  20. Delta A

    Branco again today. Thanks, Tom.

  21. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    the left is a cancer on society

  22. OneWorldGovernment

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2712657, posted on May 17, 2018 at 6:18 am

    the left is a cancer on society

    that would be the East Coast of Australia.

    lucky Australia has enough wild goats and camels to supply the most discerning of folk.

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mike Lester for me.

    Breitbart often has stories about hysterics from lefties which’re just like that cartoon. Yesterday it was Mark Hamill and Bernie Sanders, today it’s Jimmy Kimmel again. I’ve never seen such collective insanity before, it’s very strange.

  24. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2712660, posted on May 17, 2018 at 6:34 am

    Mike Lester for me.

    Breitbart often has stories about hysterics from lefties which’re just like that cartoon. Yesterday it was Mark Hamill and Bernie Sanders, today it’s Jimmy Kimmel again. I’ve never seen such collective insanity before, it’s very strange.

    I love the fuck head Americans.

  25. OneWorldGovernment

    Cultural appropriation at the Yale JFK School of Government.

    Deception.

    I wonder how many socialist communist ‘public servants’ have an MBA?

  26. Herodotus

    The Climate Coalition hits it out of the park!
    Searching for an issue that will resonate with all those voters who do not live on “sinking” islands, they’ve decided to award cricket with the title of sport most likely to be disrupted by climate change. The presence or absence of rain is the central tenet. Where have we heard that before?
    Jo Nova begs to differ on the score card for actual climate variations.

  27. OneWorldGovernment

    When I read the shit that the American DoJ, FBI, CIA and sundry others have done then I am concerned about what our Australian smart eyes might do to any of us.

    (One minor point: Alexander Downer, who had the boozy encounter with George Papadopoulos in the Kensington Wine Rooms, is not “an Australian diplomat.” He is an unsuccessful leader of the opposition who was rewarded when his party came to office with representing Australia in London. Downer has no career diplomatic standing or connections, and what went on in that conversation about the Trump and Clinton campaigns was rank gossip and hearsay.)

  28. 2dogs

    Page became an asset of Russia

    Is there evidence of this? It may be there were attempts to recruit him, I haven’t seen anything to suggest those attempts were successful.

  29. John Constantine

    Remittances from Australia are the country’s unofficial Foreign Aid budget.

    Thankfully, they are of no concern according to economic theory, because the thirty billion dollars worth of notes never physically leave the country.

    Does this mean that Julie bishop is right, and that her official Joreign aid budget can exponentially increase at zero cost to the taxpayer because the money never actually leaves the country?.

    One of the transformations of the Australian economy is that now their ACTU informs us that well over a million people working in the country are on visas paying remittances, plus the remittance paying permanents imported since the decolonialisation theory became fashionable.

    The population of Melbourne has doubled, with the incurred but yet unfunded infrastructure liabilities this entails, however we now see that half of the population increase have their capacity to be economically active in the city constrained by their unofficial tax burden in the form of remittances to fund our unofficial foreign aid budget.

    Does this mean that if our official foreign aid budget pays pensions for all New Zealands pensioners, and New Zealands foreign aid budget pays pensions for all australias pensioners, then both countries have solved their unfunded pension liabilities with money that was costless, because it never really left their borders?.

    Comrades?.

  30. Herodotus

    Obama hasn’t finished being outrageous yet.
    His plans for a land grab and conversion of a supposed presidential library into a Chicago activism centre are being hotly contested.
    American Thinker belled the cat – again!

  31. Top Ender

    Shirkers!

    What are your thoughts on a conscientious objector who refused to carry a rifle, but would serve as a medical orderly or stretcher bearer?

    I wouldn’t class them as a “conscientious objector.”

  32. John Constantine

    https://www.realestate.com.au/news/family-hits-pay-dirt-with-200-million-farm-sale-north-of-melbourne/

    Money isn’t real, so this sale just shows us that develepors with 200 million to spend have confidence that our bought and paid for political class will unswervingly pursue Big Melbourne.

    Comrade maaaaates.

  33. John Constantine

    The ripple effect is showing in farm values.

    Current tax law allows you to sell farmland and roll over the capital gains tax liability if you spend the money on farmland somewhere else, this encouraged efficiency in the days before Big Australia.

    Now it means a ripple effect, as developers pay big bucks for inside country and send the old landowners rippling out to pay for outside country with money that isn’t real and will evaporate into taxation if not spent within a timeframe.

    The rate burden on anybody trying to remain farming on land that Big Australia want for developers means you have to give up and leave your home in return for unreal money.

    Developers have figured out the new philosophers stone, turning brown paper bags of ten dollar notes into hundreds of millions in electronic ledger entries, simply by having politicians greasy hands touch the cash money.

    Comrades.

    Comrade developer maaaaates.

  34. Top Ender

    Interesting article, posted in full as probably paywalled. Excuse the length, as the bishop said to the actress.

    We know where MH370 went down, we just don’t want to look
    BYRON BAILEY
    The Australian12:00AM May 17, 2018

    If the Australian Transport Safety Bureau had not turned a blind eye and tin ear to all the advice coming from aviation professionals, then Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 would probably have been found four years ago.

    It could still be found now and fairly quickly, if Malaysian and Australian authorities who might fund a new search started listening to the professionals in the industry and looking where we think the aircraft is.

    That’s a relatively small area of the southern Indian Ocean about 39 degrees south latitude, about 70 to 100 nautical miles south of the southern boundary of where the ATSB’s search ended.

    That’s where we believe MH370’s captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, ditched the aircraft in a controlled fashion to make it disappear in as few pieces as possible, having flown it under power or glided it farther than the ATSB allowed for. The ATSB did not search farther south than 38 degrees because its bureaucrats wrongly assumed, or chose to assume so as to not embarrass Malaysia, that the pilots were unconscious at the end and the plane flew on autopilot until it crashed down steeply after fuel exhaustion.

    All the evidence had always pointed to Zaharie hijacking his own aircraft 40 minutes into the scheduled flight on March 8, 2014, from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. He depressurised the Boeing 777 to kill everyone else on the flight while he enjoyed the long oxygen supply of the pilots, and flew it to the end, ditching it.

    Professional airline pilots have long said this is the only possible explanation for the controlled flight, which made several course adjustments over some hours, while radio communications were cut and the aircraft’s radio transponder turned off. Now one of the world’s leading air-crash investigators, Canadian Larry Vance, in a new book, MH370: Mystery Solved, has added his huge experience and forensic mind to look at high-definition photographs of the pieces of MH370, particularly the right flap and flaperon, discovered on islands off the coast of Africa, and determined conclusively the damage was consistent only with a controlled ditching.

    He also concludes, conversely, that the ATSB’s theory that MH370 went down in an unpiloted, steep spiralling dive is not at all consistent with the state of the flap and flaperon.

    Vance points out that a high-speed dive as envisaged by the ATSB would have resulted in millions of small pieces of debris as it impacted the ocean, the same as the Swissair Flight 111 crash off Nova Scotia in 1998 for which he was the deputy lead accident investigator.

    I have over the past two years been in regular contact with Mike Keane, former chief pilot of Britain’s largest airline, easyJet, and British Boeing 777 senior captain Simon Hardy.

    We were joined six months ago by English engineer/mathematician Robin Stevens, who supplied me with calculations that showed MH370 fuel exhaustion coincided with sunrise at latitude 38 south, which is also the position of the final satellite “ping” identified in the tracking data.

    This would have enabled Zaharie, who ordered far more fuel than he would need to fly to Beijing with a reasonable safety margin, to minimise the possibility of being spotted by passing ships. The four of us believe MH370 was intentionally ditched in a position 70 to 100nm south of the satellite “hotspot”.

    Stevens’s assertion is a ditching position of S39.20 E88.36 with a search radius of 20nm, giving a search area of only 4300sq km compared with the 120,000sq km original ATSB target zone.

    During the Nine Network’s 60 Minutes program on Sunday, former ATSB head Martin Dolan stated there was no need to continue the search as we all knew what had happened. When questioned by Tara Brown, he said: “This was planned, this was deliberate.”

    Where was the oversight of the ATSB when it was conducting this farce over the past four years?

    The Transport Minister needs to do some explaining.

    Link

  35. Herodotus

    US Senate committee says Putin ordered interference to help Trump!
    All the links thrown up seem to be from the NYT, CNBC, WaPo, and Guardian.

  36. Herodotus

    The Oz has a brief report. It appears that for reasons best known to themselves, the Senate committee decided to take the word of intelligence agencies, but particularly Clapper, Rogers and Brennan, to arrive at a view completely the reverse of the House committee, which said no, the Wussians didn’t do it.

    Has anyone come up with a credible scenario as to why Putin would want to make America great again rather than have it run into the ground by the third term of Obamanomics under Hillary? Has the actual effectiveness of the relatively low expenditure on social media on red state voters been quantified, as opposed to the big spend on tv ads?

  37. DrBeauGan

    Where was the oversight of the ATSB when it was conducting this farce over the past four years?
    The Transport Minister needs to do some explaining.

    The problem, TE, is that all material decisions these days are made by bureaucrats. They have zero understanding of the technological issues, an acute awareness of the political issues, and are rather stupid, but not as stupid as their nominal masters the politicians.

    We see exactly the same thing with our energy policy in Oz. It’s replicated all over the Western world. The core problem is that our technology is beyond the comprehension of our political class, but they are too ignorant to see it, and too fond of power to even look.

    And given the fact that they have also given our education system into the hands of even more ignorant zealots, things are going to get worse.

  38. cohenite

    Good bunch Tom, Branco and Ramirez for me.

  39. The core problem is that our technology is beyond the comprehension of our political class, but they are too ignorant to see it, and too fond of power to even look.

    Great words!

    A near perfect summary of our political dysfunction.

    Applies (also) to transport, energy, manufacturing …

  40. Geriatric Mayfly

    Hard to work out if Mr Markle is still scratched from the gallop down the aisle. The Stretcher Bearer Royal may have to be on the course, if he suddenly turns up. If he gets past the post, seating him at the reception will have the stewards tearing out their hair.

  41. OneWorldGovernment

    John Constantine
    #2712672, posted on May 17, 2018 at 7:14 am

    https://www.realestate.com.au/news/family-hits-pay-dirt-with-200-million-farm-sale-north-of-melbourne/

    Money isn’t real, so this sale just shows us that develepors with 200 million to spend have confidence that our bought and paid for political class will unswervingly pursue Big Melbourne.

    Comrade maaaaates.

    John C

    When you come from the North we used to call that ‘Tit Mountain’.

    It was bloody hard getting a truck up the hill from Echuca.

  42. Tom

    Fox News White House correspondent John Roberts is reporting that Mueller has agreed that he will follow the DOJ’s directive published in 1999 after the Clinton impeachment that “a sitting president cannot be indicted”. The special prosecutor’s investigation “is as good as over”, presidential lawyer Rudi Giuliani told Roberts. “They just don’t know it yet.”

  43. DrBeauGan

    Applies (also) to transport, energy, manufacturing …

    Quite so. Only ignorant fools would imagine that doubling energy costs in order to address a bogus political problem would be free of consequences.

  44. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712686, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:17 am

    Applies (also) to transport, energy, manufacturing …

    Quite so. Only ignorant fools would imagine that doubling energy costs in order to address a bogus political problem would be free of consequences.

    the subtle troll is awake.

  45. Roger

    Hard to work out if Mr Markle is still scratched from the gallop down the aisle. The Stretcher Bearer Royal may have to be on the course, if he suddenly turns up. If he gets past the post, seating him at the reception will have the stewards tearing out their hair.

    As someone here noted the other day, this is starting to look like the sit-com “Keeping Up Appearances”.

    I think much can be explained by the recently reported fact that Harry has not yet met his prospective father in law…nor his other new rellies, I imagine!

  46. Dave in Marybrook

    ALPBC radio news reporting crisis for Turnbull as the office skirt is in doubt- Ann Sudmalis may lose place in another preselection wrangle.
    Isn’t there another story here, apart from the kneejerk diversity/quotas/misogyny talking points?
    ie, candidates starting to manoeuver ahead of a surprise election?

  47. Spider

    You’d almost swear that the MSM are wishing that the Korean negotiations would fail.

    Oh please don’t let Trump succeed!!

    According to Robert Kelly Korea expert on the ABC the whole Korean negotiations are just a distraction for Trumps problems at home.

  48. egg_

    We see exactly the same thing with our energy policy in Oz. It’s replicated all over the Western world. The core problem is that our technology is beyond the comprehension of our political class, but they are too ignorant to see it, and too fond of power to even look.

    More like the Oz cultural cringe that should only pay lip service to UN/EU climate Agreements.

    The farce of a Snowy 2.0 when catastrophic failure of one of our major coal plants would almost sink our economy.

    Embracing economics as ‘Science’ and applying the risk management strategy described above shows us up as the antipodean fools we are, a mere primary industries outpost ‘banana republic’.

  49. Roger

    Tokenism by stealth:

    Ann Sudmalis under threat from a male in Gilmore pre-selection.

    Helen Kroger wants a rule that an incumbent female cannot be challenged.

  50. DrBeauGan

    Roger
    #2712688, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:20 am
    Hard to work out if Mr Markle is still scratched from the gallop down the aisle. The Stretcher Bearer Royal may have to be on the course, if he suddenly turns up. If he gets past the post, seating him at the reception will have the stewards tearing out their hair.

    As someone here noted the other day, this is starting to look like the sit-com “Keeping Up Appearances”.

    I think much can be explained by the recently reported fact that Harry has not yet met his prospective father in law…nor his other new rellies, I imagine!

    Yes, but it will be quite entertaining to watch, and we shan’t have to put up with the frightful consequences, unlike most of the stuff-ups of our so called superiors.

  51. Roger

    Helen Kroger wants a rule that an incumbent female cannot be challenged.

    By a male, I should have added.

  52. Spider

    Dave in Marybrook

    The trouble with the whole woman losing pre selection argument now is that it will potentially degenerate into a free pass for every woman no matter how good or bad they are.

    Every loss must now be viewed through the lens of sexism.

  53. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712693, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:27 am

    hey troll.

    what do you think about the metaphysics of hawking?

  54. cohenite

    If turdball had any balls he would be dishing it out to vicpol about this bullshit:

    What a sick joke. Victoria’s public prosecutor has dropped the blackmail case against Victorian Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union officials John Setka and Shaun Reardon, thus affirming the business model of monopoly thuggery over the nation’s construction sites. The charges came out of the Dyson Heydon-led royal commission into union corruption in 2015. They had been charged with threatening a secondary boycott against concrete company Boral, if it didn’t cease supplying concrete to builder Grocon. And of course the union did black ban Boral trucks from Melbourne construction sites. It might not have conformed with the dictionary definition of blackmail: threatening to reveal compromising information about someone unless they pay money to stop it. But it fits the colloquial understanding of the CFMMEU business model: do what we say, or we’ll smash your business.

    And why not? The titular head of the trade union movement, Australian Council of Trade Unions secretary Sally McManus reckons that it’s OK to break to the law if that law is unjust in some socialist left class warfare sense. And the Fair Work Commission can’t be relied upon to do much about it. It continues to legitimise the legal privileges of a law-breaking labour supply monopoly as part of some struggle between capital and labour, even though the union has paid $14.9 million in industrial fines and been described by Judge Salvatore Vasta as the “most recidivist corporate offender in Australian history”.

    And this is the mob that Bill Shorten relies on for his support as leader of the Australian Labor Party, despite it being the arch-enemy of his own former Australian Workers Union. This just reflects the two unions’ joint business model within the web of patronage that comprises the modern labour movement. While the CFMMEU operates as the industrial mafia, the AWU acts as a sort of respectable safe haven. And now, just to top it all off, the CFMMEU is making noises about taking the police to court over the case.

    The Federal Coalition called a double dissolution election in 2016 to pass a bill to return the rule of law to the nation’s construction sites. A hefty blow was struck against that goal yesterday.

  55. DrBeauGan

    More like the Oz cultural cringe that should only pay lip service to UN/EU climate Agreements.

    The farce of a Snowy 2.0 when catastrophic failure of one of our major coal plants would almost sink our economy.

    I think the cultural cringe to the UN/EU is a direct consequence of the ignorance and stupidity of our political class, Egg.

  56. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712698, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:31 am

    More like the Oz cultural cringe that should only pay lip service to UN/EU climate Agreements.

    The farce of a Snowy 2.0 when catastrophic failure of one of our major coal plants would almost sink our economy.

    I think the cultural cringe to the UN/EU is a direct consequence of the ignorance and stupidity of our political class, Egg.

    so you are just bullshit

  57. Some History

    On 7 News.

    The Markle Show continues. As one Markle leaves hospital, another enters.

    Samantha Markle (half sister and Markle media spokesperson)

    Broken ankle in car crash while being followed by paparazzi in Florida. ??

  58. Dave in Marybrook

    I’m still trying to work out the circumstances for an early election…
    The only one I can think of is Libs get nowhere on Super Saturday, Shorten gets bolshie and blocks budget and insists on live export ban, Mal Turd decides to go down swinging.
    Radio news just cites “furious reaction in the Lib party after Jane Prentiss’s dumping last weekend”.

  59. DrBeauGan

    I think the cultural cringe to the UN/EU is a direct consequence of the ignorance and stupidity of our political class, Egg.

    Kow-towing to foreign bureaucrats only looks reasonable to our bureaucrats. If they had enough critical sense and understanding of what is actually happening, they would see it for the supine stupidity it is.

  60. Some History

    The Markle Show continues. As one Markle leaves hospital, another enters.
    Samantha Markle (half sister and Markle media spokesperson)
    Broken ankle in car crash while being followed by paparazzi in Florida. ??

    Found this:

    Samantha Markle hospitalised after ‘paparazzi confrontation’
    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/royal-weddings/samantha-markle-attacks-meghan-for-telling-me-i-cant-speak/news-story/e186c38e928d9f506f663b5b53d63e49

  61. OneWorldGovernment

    I keep asking!

    Is our so called ‘security’ departments actually protecting us from scum islam?

  62. Whalehunt fun

    furious reaction in the Lib party after Jane Prentiss’s dumping last weekend”.

    Excellent. Let the filth live is despair. Hope they drown in it.

  63. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712702, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:39 am

    I think the cultural cringe to the UN/EU is a direct consequence of the ignorance and stupidity of our political class, Egg.

    Kow-towing to foreign bureaucrats only looks reasonable to our bureaucrats. If they had enough critical sense and understanding of what is actually happening, they would see it for the supine stupidity it is.

    Sometimes you make sense.

  64. cohenite

    I keep asking!

    Is our so called ‘security’ departments actually protecting us from scum islam?

    No, they is not.

  65. egg_

    all material decisions these days are made by bureaucrats

    Purely boils down to Inmarsat tracking data – AFAIK the plane may have crashed in the Northern Hemisphere – Tibetan outback, unless they calculated for antenna tilt on the spacecraft IIRC.
    Rather a rough yardstick when IIRC no aircraft as been found 3 days after it has gone into the drink – as Abbott has proven with a lot of Joe Public’s dosh.

  66. Bruce of Newcastle

    Further to Tom’s Miguel Cordova cartoon:

    Ratings Crisis: CNN Suffers Viewership Collapse of Nearly 30 Percent

    With week two of May 2018 now in the books, we find that CNN’s ratings have collapsed even more than last week, close to -30 percent in total viewers and an astonishing -35 percent in demo viewers.

    Before we get to the numbers, I should add that CNN is an outlier; meaning its stunning ratings collapse is unique in cable news.

    Compared to this same week last year, Fox News increased its total viewers in primetime and total day by +6 and +3 percent, respectively. While MSNBC did see a ratings drop, it was able to keep that drop in the single digits: -9 percent in total day and in primetime.

    CNN’s viewership drop, however, is jaw-dropping, especially when you recall just how big the news was last week.

    Maybe the American public wants to hear something other than bile from a superannuated porn “actress” and an indebted shonky lawyer. If so it appears they won’t get it from CNN.

    Do they count for ratings all those airport lounges CNN plays in? Soon their only viewers will be grotty terminal chairs.

  67. egg_

    Sometimes you make sense.

    Change your drinking habits.

  68. Old School Conservative

    Citizenship is one thing and country of birth another, but surely Dr Anne Aly must be embarrassed by The Australian’s revelation:

    The Egyptian embassy picked up the bill for a $2380 return Perth-Cairo airfare last July, allowing Dr Aly to attend an Egyptian Women Abroad conference.

    Having a uniformed and burka-clad Captain Mona Shindy on stage with her is also bad optics for Aly.

  69. OneWorldGovernment

    I want to kick the guts of Hamas.

    Delingpole: Enough Hamas Dead Baby Propaganda in the Western Media, Already!

    There’s something horribly disingenuous about the way the author acknowledges the nature of the problem, “Hamas wants these deaths” (albeit from a distance: “You may tell me…”) – but then just flicks it away with a rhetorical flourish, as if it were of no relevance to the emotional truth of the author’s response which is apparently much, much more important.

    Well I’m sorry but this is dangerous, manipulative nonsense.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/16/the-west-should-not-believe-hamas-dead-baby-propaganda/

  70. egg_

    Kow-towing to foreign bureaucrats only looks reasonable to our bureaucrats. If they had enough critical sense and understanding of what is actually happening, they would see it for the supine stupidity it is.

    You underestimate the power of denial.

  71. Andreas

    It might not have conformed with the dictionary definition of blackmail: threatening to reveal compromising information about someone unless they pay money to stop it. But it fits the colloquial understanding of the CFMMEU business model: do what we say, or we’ll smash your business.

    What matters is if it meets the legal definition of blackmail:

    A person is guilty of blackmail if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces

    Blackmail.

  72. Roger

    Yes, but it will be quite entertaining to watch, and we shan’t have to put up with the frightful consequences, unlike most of the stuff-ups of our so called superiors.

    One of several advantages of having a head of state 17000kms away.

    The monarchy may be absurd at times, but while we have them the Progs are kept from turning the presidency in a republic into a bully pulpit to hector the population with Leftist diatribes.

  73. OneWorldGovernment

    cohenite
    #2712707, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:45 am

    I keep asking!

    Is our so called ‘security’ departments actually protecting us from scum islam?

    No, they is not.

    I know that.

    But how many Australians know that?

  74. OneWorldGovernment

    Roger
    #2712715, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:51 am

    Yes, but it will be quite entertaining to watch, and we shan’t have to put up with the frightful consequences, unlike most of the stuff-ups of our so called superiors.

    One of several advantages of having a head of state 17000kms away.

    The monarchy may be absurd at times, but while we have them the Progs are kept from turning the presidency in a republic into a bully pulpit to hector the population with Leftist diatribes.

    But surely the bandana man knowes better than us plebs.

    Long live Chairman Mao(lcom).

  75. Dave in Marybrook

    No surprise there’s fury after a preselection spill- no doubt Sudmalis is spitting chips first and foremost, and there’s always someone ready to go on the record in protest.
    But there’s a inherent contradiction in the reports of “fury within the party”- the local membership of the party are of course the people who turfed her.
    Does the ABC need to instead say, fury within the visual amenity officers? Fury within the losing faction? Fury within the underperforming and marginal backbench who’ve realised they might get a tap on the shoulder, regardless of vagina?

  76. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2712708, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:46 am
    all material decisions these days are made by bureaucrats

    Purely boils down to Inmarsat tracking data – AFAIK the plane may have crashed in the Northern Hemisphere – Tibetan outback, unless they calculated for antenna tilt on the spacecraft IIRC.

    Yes. I wouldn’t just believe one engineer/ mathematician. But my point is that you and I look for physical facts to get an idea of what happened. Bureaucrats don’t. To a bureaucrat with not the faintest understanding of physical facts, they are irrelevant.

    To that kind of mind, the only reality they can see is the power structure. That’s why they can take feminist thought and 256 genders seriously. Biology doesn’t count any more than satellite data.

  77. stackja

    PolitiFact.com is a project operated by the Tampa Bay Times, in which reporters and editors from the Times and affiliated media fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists, and interest groups. Wikipedia

    Statements made on CNN PolitiFact
    Click on the ruling to see all of the statements made on CNN.
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  78. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2712713, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:49 am
    Kow-towing to foreign bureaucrats only looks reasonable to our bureaucrats. If they had enough critical sense and understanding of what is actually happening, they would see it for the supine stupidity it is.

    You underestimate the power of denial.

    You could be right.

  79. OneWorldGovernment

    Bad Samaritan
    #2712648, posted on May 17, 2018 at 5:13 am

    Just thought I’d throw the following into a thread somewhere…. CIA Asset!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae4bc9c7434b10ab930e74a8a51efe4bd6f21def791ce3d8eacd11ecffb52f65.jpg

  80. stackja

    Bad blood in slain restaurateur’s family over second wife
    Thomas Chamberlin, The Courier-Mail
    May 17, 2018 12:00am
    Subscriber only
    A BRISBANE restaurateur ambushed and brutally ­murdered created bad blood in his family over one of his two wives.

    The Courier-Mail can reveal there were issues between Abdul Basith and relatives after he took his brother’s stepdaughter as his bride, despite already being married.

    His intertwined family life and business dealings where he owed debts are understood to have added a layer of ­complexity to the case for ­investigators.

    He was living in two homes, spending three nights with one wife and four with the other, which was arranged, The Courier-Mail ­understands.

    Mr Basith’s first wife is heavily pregnant and expecting her third child to him within days. He has one other child to his second wife.

    Both women knew about each other and it is understood he was legally ­married only to one.

    Mr Samad married a caucasian woman, 52, born in Australia, who has converted to Islam. She had a daughter from a previous relationship.

    Friends also claim the brothers had a chequered past after being in two failed businesses together.

  81. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712723, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:03 am

    egg_
    #2712708, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:46 am
    all material decisions these days are made by bureaucrats

    Purely boils down to Inmarsat tracking data – AFAIK the plane may have crashed in the Northern Hemisphere – Tibetan outback, unless they calculated for antenna tilt on the spacecraft IIRC.

    Yes. I wouldn’t just believe one engineer/ mathematician. But my point is that you and I look for physical facts to get an idea of what happened. Bureaucrats don’t. To a bureaucrat with not the faintest understanding of physical facts, they are irrelevant.

    To that kind of mind, the only reality they can see is the power structure. That’s why they can take feminist thought and 256 genders seriously. Biology doesn’t count any more than satellite data.

    again a well thought comment which I appreciate.

  82. OneWorldGovernment

    Jaques or whomever

    The blog is farqed.

  83. egg_

    the only reality they can see is the power structure.

    Even to technocrats who understand satellite/energy industry data – job security.

  84. stackja

    Online learning tool helps police engage LGBTI community
    myPolice on May 17, 2018 @ 6:17am
    As part of the Queensland Police Service’s continuing commitment to the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Intersex (LGBTI) community it has rolled out an Online Learning Product (OLP) to all officers in time for International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia.

    The learning tool helps officers by enhancing their understanding of:

    Significant historical events that have impacted on the LGBTI community
    Issues confronting the LGBTI community including discrimination, vilification, mental health and domestic and family violence
    Legislation and QPS policy and guidelines specific to the LGBTI community
    Effective communication and practical policing strategies to improve the delivery of a professional, non-discriminatory and accessible policing response
    Internal and external support and referral service options for LGBTI clients.
    While the training benefits all QPS members it has a particular focus for general duties officers, station client service officers and watch house staff who often engage with LGBTI persons during sensitive and vulnerable situations.

    The OLP can be accessed through Advance2 by enrolling in the course code QC1395_01. The successful completion of this training will result in the awarding 5 credit points.

    The QPS is committed to ensuring that, as a Service, we reflect the diversity of the people we protect and support members of the community and QPS officers and staff members who identify as LGBTI.

  85. stackja

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2712732, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:13 am
    Jaques or whomever

    The blog is farqed.

    Was!

  86. Slayer of Memes

    #CrossfireHurricane

  87. Des Deskperson

    ‘Downer has no career diplomatic standing or connections, ‘

    To be fair to Downer, he was a career diplo for a bit, joining what was then called the ‘Diplomatic Stream’ in what is now called DFAT in 1976 – probably as a trainee – and resigning to work in Fraser’s office in 1982. He had at least one overseas posting and, given the standard progression rate for a diplo, he would have reached at least Second Secretary level and, as a member of what was then a vey exclusive club, he would have built up at least a modest network.

    That’s why DFAT people liked him when he was Minister, irrespective of his politics; he knew the system and he know what to do, including sticking too his script.

    BTW, while i have no evidence that Downer was recruited to DFAT on any basis other than pure merit, having an important relative was and still is a useful asset in being selected as a diplo.

  88. OneWorldGovernment

    Slayer of Memes
    #2712736, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:17 am

    #CrossfireHurricane

    Must be using the Amazon Cloud.

  89. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2712733, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:14 am
    the only reality they can see is the power structure.

    Even to technocrats who understand satellite/energy industry data – job security.

    True. I’m not denying that power structures don’t matter. Our problem is that we’ve ceded power to ignorant fools whose only qualification for having it is that they want it.

  90. Zatara

    To those who insisted that Mueller could indict a sitting President no matter how much evidence to the contrary was presented….

    Maybe you will believe Mueller.

    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has informed President Donald Trump’s attorneys that they have concluded that they cannot indict a sitting president

  91. Chris

    CNN link?
    I feel soiled.

  92. woolfe

    Hey gang Baldrick just liked one of my tweets! Dragon Energy!

  93. OneWorldGovernment

    Des Deskperson
    #2712738, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:19 am

    ‘Downer has no career diplomatic standing or connections, ‘

    To be fair to Downer, he was a career diplo for a bit, joining what was then called the ‘Diplomatic Stream’ in what is now called DFAT in 1976 – probably as a trainee – and resigning to work in Fraser’s office in 1982. He had at least one overseas posting and, given the standard progression rate for a diplo, he would have reached at least Second Secretary level and, as a member of what was then a vey exclusive club, he would have built up at least a modest network.

    That’s why DFAT people liked him when he was Minister, irrespective of his politics; he knew the system and he know what to do, including sticking too his script.

    BTW, while i have no evidence that Downer was recruited to DFAT on any basis other than pure merit, having an important relative was and still is a useful asset in being selected as a diplo.

    So he’s a farking poofta like his mate from sa.

    The dfat pyramids should be blown up and burnt to the ground.

    BUT

    we have the finest representative in scum bag brandis.

    I want the next posting.

  94. Slayer of Memes

    So….

    New leaks reveal that Jim Comey sent Peter Strzok to London 90 days before the election, under the mission codename “Crossfire Hurricane” to try to frame Trump…

    Then Comey LIED about it to Congress and DOJ

    The report goes on to say that the FBI was worried that if it came out they were spying on Trump campaign it would “only reinforce his claims that the election was being rigged against him.”

    Mmmmmyes, I imagine that WOULD kinda reinforce those claims.

    Just imagine the autistic screeching from mUnty et al if it were, say, Hillary’s campaign and the DNC being spied on by the FBI/DOJ as the leaks are now showing was being done to Trump….

    Why, it would be like Watergate all over again….

  95. egg_

    Helen Kroger wants a rule that an incumbent female cannot be challenged.

    The case against tokenism rests, m’Lord.

  96. DrBeauGan

    Zatara
    #2712741, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:24 am
    To those who insisted that Mueller could indict a sitting President no matter how much evidence to the contrary was presented….

    Maybe you will believe Mueller.

    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has informed President Donald Trump’s attorneys that they have concluded that they cannot indict a sitting president

    Only the loony lefties thought they could. Like m0nty, birm.

    So now they have only the impeachment route, which is also going to fail, based as it is on scuttlebutt and wishful thinking.

  97. Slayer of Memes

    ARMED MALE SHOT AT POLICE OFFICER AT DIXON HIGH SCHOOL

    An armed school resource officer does his job and saves lives

    …perhaps he can go give some lessons to the Cowards at Broward County Sheriffs Office….

  98. Has anyone come up with a credible scenario as to why Putin would want to make America great again rather than have it run into the ground by the third term of Obamanomics under Hillary?

    Hint: Trump is not actually making America great again.

  99. Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has informed President Donald Trump’s attorneys that they have concluded that they cannot indict a sitting president

    Nixon wasn’t indicted either, but he was named as an unindicted co-conspirator.

  100. OneWorldGovernment

    hey turnbull filth

    how about letting real Australians represent us and not some slime shit like your bum boy brandis.

  101. lotocoti

    guidelines specific to the LGBTI community

    Are there guidelines specific to the cis-gendered community too?
    And if not, does the Qld Police Farce believe we are not all equal before the law?

  102. Old School Conservative

    m0nty
    #2712750, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:32 am
    Hint: Trump is not actually making America great again.

    Many millions of Americans respectfully disagree with you.

  103. Chris

    So now they have only the impeachment route, which is also going to fail, based as it is on scuttlebutt and wishful thinking.

    So when do They the People dissolve the Deep State and re-elect it?
    Some good intelligence, crowd-sourcing attack points for an Antifa-modelled slew of citizen’s arrests and public participation lawsuits against public officials…
    Dissolve and re-create from scratch certain Government agencies…
    Executive funding for the ‘I’m With Her Swinging’ Project

  104. Snoopy

    C.L.
    #2712722, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:02 am
    Mueller closing in …

    Alexander Downer interviewed by FBI over Russian interference in US election.

    That refers to a supposed interview at the end of July / beginning of August last year, CL.

    The timing of this ‘revelation’ is suspicious coming soon after not incredible allegations that Downer and Steele were part of a FBI plot to use Papadopoulos to justify the launch the spy operation against the Trump campaign.

    I think the FBI/Halper/Steele/Downer allegations have stung.

  105. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2712750, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:32 am

    Has anyone come up with a credible scenario as to why Putin would want to make America great again rather than have it run into the ground by the third term of Obamanomics under Hillary?

    Hint: Trump is not actually making America great again.

    love your work

    how much does soros pay?

    i’ll have to get into this stuff.

    worth a fortune and still the ratings go down.

  106. OneWorldGovernment

    got my bank transfer m0nty

    trump loves despicable voters.

    that should stir up bernnie

  107. Zatara

    About those illegal Cohen leaks?

    Busted, a law-enforcement official who like Comey, just wanted to use any means necessary to publicize the information.

    Love the left trying to spin an excuse for him already:

    A law-enforcement official released the documents after finding that additional suspicious transactions did not appear in a government database.

    “When something’s not there that should be, I immediately became concerned.” The official added, “That’s why I came forward.”

    No dickhead, if you were convinced you were right then giving to a judge or pointing it our to Mueller would have been “coming forward”. Leaking it to a sleazy porn lawyer for political points is a crime. See the difference? I didn’t think so.

  108. #fakenews OWG, Uncle George pays with Nazi gold.

  109. DrBeauGan

    Roger
    #2712715, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:51 am
    Yes, but it will be quite entertaining to watch, and we shan’t have to put up with the frightful consequences, unlike most of the stuff-ups of our so called superiors.

    One of several advantages of having a head of state 17000kms away.

    The monarchy may be absurd at times, but while we have them the Progs are kept from turning the presidency in a republic into a bully pulpit to hector the population with Leftist diatribes.

    I agree entirely. It’s also a lot cheaper. The first consequence of being a republic will be the building of a multi-billion dollar presidential palace.

  110. Anne

    Satan worshipping Pope… he’s outta there!

    No more children on the black slab for YOU!

  111. Slayer of Memes

    Cheesecake Factory says it suspended employees for mocking black customer’s MAGA hat

    It wasn’t so great in America on Mother’s Day at the Cheesecake Factory, according to a 22-year-old man who said he was singled out because of his skin color and the bright, red cap he was wearing that was adorned with the president’s favorite slogan.

    “Make America Great Again,” was all it said.

    Eugenior Joseph said those simple words drew about a dozen employees of the restaurant at Dadeland Mall to his table. They pointed at him and the hat, he said. They made snide comments. Some giggled. It became so uncomfortable, Joseph said, that his entourage — which included his girlfriend and her mother — got up and left and called police.

    “I’m 100 percent sure it’s because I’m black and I’m wearing a Make America Great Again hat,” Joseph said.

    The incident was first reported on the conservative-leaning website the DailyWire. In a response to the story, the Cheesecake Factory sent the website a tweet on its verified Twitter account saying the employees involved had been suspended until an investigation of the incident is complete.

    “No guest should ever feel unwelcome in one of our restaurants and we are taking this matter very seriously. Upon learning of this incident, we immediately apologized to the guests in person,” the tweet reads.

    Calls to the Cheesecake Factory’s headquarters in Calabasas, Calif., were not returned. As of Tuesday afternoon, Joseph said he had not received correspondence from the Cheesecake Factory offering any type of apology . A woman named Maria who said she was a manager at the Dadeland Mall location told the Miami Herald the company was “taking this matter very seriously” and referred the caller to the company’s corporate headquarters. She would not confirm if anyone had been suspended.

    Joseph said it was mid-afternoon Sunday when a large group including his girlfriend and her mother headed over to the Cheesecake Factory to celebrate Mother’s Day. They weren’t seated long, he said, when someone in the group pointed out a waitress who was standing behind him pointing at his hat.
    Then, Joseph and others in the group said, other employees joined in. Soon, it felt as if the entire staff of the Cheesecake Factory was closing in on him and his favorite red ball cap

    “A guy said, ‘I want to knock the hat off your head,” said Joseph, who plans on taking summer classes at Florida International University. “I really love Trump. It’s my sole reason for getting into politics.”

    Joseph’s group left and his mother-in-law called the police. As they were leaving, Joseph said a store manager came forward and apologized. The one-paragraph Miami-Dade police report says no harm, no foul.

    “Upon arrival, we made contact with reporting person [Jennifer Restrepo] who advised that she felt uncomfortable due to several employees gathering around her table and cracking their knuckles. The unknown employees also made comments to knock off a hat worn by other [Eugene Joseph] that stated “Make America Great Again.” No threats were made. No physical altercation occurred,” wrote the responding officer.

    Since the Daily Wire first reported the story it’s made its way through the conservative blogosphere. Fox News even picked up a version. And Joseph said he’s scheduled to appear on Fox & Friends on Wednesday morning.

    “I really love Trump,” said the former high school basketball standout at Westwood Christian High School, who said he’s pondering some college offers. “It’s his straightforwardness. He says things and he’s going to get it done.”

    No outrage from white Leftists about this hate crime…. unlike the paroxysms of autistic screeching that ensued after the Starbucks incident….

    Will the Cheesecake Factory be shutting down for mandatory ‘diversity training’??

    Or is this one different because it was white Leftists bullying a Trump supporter…

    #ItIsAMystery….

  112. Tom

    Hint: Trump is not actually making America great again.

    That poor chicken. Rubbed red raw it is.

  113. Infidel Tiger

    So we now have conclusive proof that Obama illegally spied on Trump and his associates.

    Obama is going to jail.

  114. LOL that the codename for the FBI probe into Russian collusion with Trump is Crossfire Hurricane. I would have gone with Sympathy For The Devil, myself.

  115. Slayer of Memes

    Even better Zatara, the only people with access to the kind of government databases that this ‘whistleblower’ is talking about are high-clearance FBI agents, FINCEN, or prosecutors. So someone who would EASILY have been able to forward it to Mueller (or the judge hearing the Cohen case)…

    Worse, the then goes on to admit he has been using his position for other illegal searches…

    One man’s ‘Whistleblower’ is another man’s FELON….

  116. Tom

    Satan worshipping Pope… he’s outta there!

    You’ve been riding on the black helicopter again, haven’t you, Annie? That belongs to USSR — and you went joyriding in it!

    OK, hit us with the latest theory from Alex Jones.

  117. Bruce of Newcastle

    m0nty
    #2712750, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:32 am
    Hint: Trump is not actually making America great again.

    ROFL.

    Thank You POTUS Trump! More Americans Today Positive About Direction of Country Than at Anytime During Obama’s 8 Years

  118. Gary

    m0nty
    #2712580, posted on May 16, 2018 at 11:59 pm
    Good to see you back, Baldrick.

    Sure! Climbing on his sick bed to have a go a Trump must have been existing for you.

  119. Snoopy

    Zatara
    #2712761, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:46 am
    About those illegal Cohen leaks?

    Busted, a law-enforcement official who like Comey, just wanted to use any means necessary to publicize the information

    Partisan Democrat lawman illegally leaks confidential information to damage Trump assuming, wrongly, that it’s business as usual in the swamp and no one will investigate the leak. With the Treasury inspector closing in he calls on the Democrat media complex to laud him as a patriot.

  120. Slayer of Memes

    It must be another chicken by now Tom…

    The original one couldn’t have lasted over 27 months, surely….

    (any day now…. just you watch…. it’s coming…. soon…. one day…. maybe…)

  121. DrBeauGan

    Infidel Tiger
    #2712767, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:56 am
    So we now have conclusive proof that Obama illegally spied on Trump and his associates.

    Obama is going to jail.

    We can hope, I T.

  122. Chris

    Sure! Climbing on his sick bed to have a go a Trump must have been existing for you.

    It was existing for me too, thweetie!

  123. H B Bear

    The core problem is that our technology is beyond the comprehension of our political class, but they are too ignorant to see it, and too fond of power to even look.

    But what about the hundreds of “Ministerial advisors”? You know, the kids in short pants with the Pol Sci degrees from Latrobe Uni.

  124. Tintarella di Luna

    Thanks Bruce of Newcastle for that MAGA link — I found this there as well – Trump to cut Planned Parenthood funding through regs

  125. Myrddin Seren

    The problem, TE, is that all material decisions these days are made by bureaucrats. They have zero understanding of the technological issues, an acute awareness of the political issues,

    Money quote highlighted.

    Recollections from the time.

    900 lb gorilla China going very dark that a bunch of its citizens killed on the flight, and looking to do a little strategic muscle flexing. ( Rahm Emmanuel Strategy – never let a good crisis go to waste ).

    Situation not helped by cack-handed dealing with the crisis by Malaysian Airlines Bumiputera management in the first instance, before they retreated to their luxury offices and left the grunts to try and deal with it without starting a war.

    Tony Abbott seeks to deflect Chinese angst by underwriting massive air-sea search – all on the premise that the plane had some mysterious fault and flew on until fuel exhausted.

    The actual crash site not only irrelevant – but discovery of a recoverable hull with clear evidence of the Malaysian pilot killing everyone likely too hot a potato.

    Pretty sure the Catallaxy Air Crash Investigation Team dissected the event as pilot homocide-suicide back in 2014. Such a course of action being unthinkable in Muslim Malaysia, and of course a single suicide on ground would mean no insurance payouts to his family.

    Be a lot of people hoping MH-370 is never found.

  126. DrBeauGan

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2712778, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Thanks Bruce of Newcastle for that MAGA link — I found this there as well – Trump to cut Planned Parenthood funding through regs

    I’m not doctrinaire on abortion. I can see situations in which it is the least awful choice. But forcing people to fund it, particularly on this scale, is a moral abomination.

  127. Thank You POTUS Trump! More Americans Today Positive About Direction of Country Than at Anytime During Obama’s 8 Years

    Mmyess, and a year after the last time numbers were that high, a Republican presided over economic catastrophe. Here’s hoping the boom that Obama built is more sustainable.

  128. Tintarella di Luna

    forcing people to fund it, particularly on this scale, is a moral abomination.

    Yes indeed Dr BeauGan – and being a doctor you could be doctrinaire but being eminently reasonable you choose otherwise.

  129. DrBeauGan

    Here’s hoping the boom that Obama built is more sustainable.

    You are funny, m0nts. I’m so glad you are here.

  130. Slayer of Memes

    Here’s hoping the boom that Obama built is more sustainable.

    He didn’t build that….

  131. OneWorldGovernment

    Stimpy wants m0nts or JC to buy him a US embassy to Jerusalem commemoration coin.

    The funniest thing is that the shadow behind the face of Trump is Darius.

    Some might have to check their bible but Darius was the King of Persia (Iran).

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/5/13/trumps-face-to-feature-on-newly-minted-israeli-coin

  132. H B Bear

    Is mUnty doing stand-up now? Is stand-up wrongology even a thing?

  133. Zatara

    Tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of the Mueller farce.

    We’ll never know how much taxpayer money has been pissed away on it in that time.

  134. Gary

    Chris
    #2712776, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Sure! Climbing on his sick bed to have a go a Trump must have been existing for you.
    It was existing for me too, thweetie!

    Ha thanks “Exhausting”

  135. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    An unfortunate event to miss

    Australia’s failure to attend the historic opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem, a significant event for two of our closest allies, reflects poorly on Julie Bishop. The Foreign Minister’s explanation that ambassador Chris Cannan, who was among 86 foreign envoys in Israel invited, was out of the country and “could not” attend was one of the oldest cliches in the diplomatic handbook. It was too cute by half.

    Given the importance of our relationships with the US and Israel, Mr Cannan should not have been away. He should have been recalled or Australia should have been represented by someone else. The indications are, although Ms Bishop has not said so, that Australia effectively boycotted the opening, using Mr Cannan’s convenient absence as a diplomatic excuse. Doing so aligned us with the majority of invitees that stayed away, including Britain, France, Germany, Canada, New Zealand, Russia and China. Like Australia, those nations, have been unsupportive of Donald Trump’s embassy move. Among 33 nations that attended were Austria, Hungary, Thailand and Vietnam.

    Ms Bishop may see Australia’s staying away as smart politics given the government’s rejection of Tony Abbott’s suggestion that we move our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. But it is hard not to see our failure to attend as an ill-judged diplomatic snub to close allies. Ms Bishop’s alignment of Australia with countries that are perennially wishy-washy about Israel and placating Palestinian sensitivities does us no good. She must do better than echo European calls for Israel to show “restraint” amid the grave threat it faces along its Gaza border. She and Malcolm Turnbull were right two days ago when they blamed Hamas terrorists for the violence.

  136. Roger

    Obama is going to jail.

    Prediction:

    Should it come to that, Trump will will grant him a pardon.

    Not only would Obama have to live with the ignominy of being exposed as a traitor, he would owe his freedom to a man he despised and mocked. As such there’d be no chance of him becoming a martyr figure.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Climate Coalition hits it out of the park!
    Searching for an issue that will resonate with all those voters who do not live on “sinking” islands, they’ve decided to award cricket with the title of sport most likely to be disrupted by climate change. The presence or absence of rain is the central tenet. Where have we heard that before?

    They really are getting desperate for attention if this is the best they can do. After so many years and so much money, the risk to cricket is the cause celebre. Everyone, even me, knows it always rains on the cricket and if it doesn’t then any Englishman playing in flannels just soldiers on regardless of the temperature. Cricket is a law unto itself and climate has nothing to do with it.

  138. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2712781, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:11 am

    Thank You POTUS Trump! More Americans Today Positive About Direction of Country Than at Anytime During Obama’s 8 Years

    Mmyess, and a year after the last time numbers were that high, a Republican presided over economic catastrophe. Here’s hoping the boom that Obama built is more sustainable.

    Love your work m0nty.

  139. OneWorldGovernment

    OldOzzie
    #2712789, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:20 am

    EDITORIALS
    An unfortunate event to miss

    Did the UN oppose it?

    Enough said.

    All of Australia opposes it!

  140. DrBeauGan

    Should it come to that, Trump will will grant him a pardon.

    Not only would Obama have to live with the ignominy of being exposed as a traitor, he would owe his freedom to a man he despised and mocked. As such there’d be no chance of him becoming a martyr figure.

    And Trump is smart enough to see that. He’d enjoy pardoning Obummer.

  141. JC

    Monster

    You’re to sound to sound like Maxine Waters, you fat lesbian.

    Trump is not going to be impeached, indicted or whatever, but Brennan, Comey, McCabe and the rest of the rat pack are. Get that through your thick skull.

  142. Slayer of Memes

    Something to consider…

    On what basis has the Justice Department concealed passages and references to government officials from the significant Strzok-Page text messages they have given to Congressional Oversight committees?

    Is the DOJ and FBI claiming that the redactions in the Strzok-Page texts are necessary because the information within those texts is “classified” – the transmission of which, BY ANY MEANS, is classed as a felony.

    Remember, we’re talking about communications between (supposedly) highly trained intelligence officials here.

    And if that is the claim the DOJ and FBI are using as the basis for massive redactions in the Strzok-Page texts, are they telling us that Hillary was investigated – and given a pass – for the unauthorized transmission of classified information by the very same FBI officials who were themselves actively engaged in the unauthorized transmission of classified information?

    Hmmmmmm…..

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ms Bishop’s alignment of Australia with countries that are perennially wishy-washy about Israel and placating Palestinian sensitivities does us no good.

    Yes, disgraceful. Just another example of head in the sand hopes that if they ignore Trump he will just go away. Ignoring and demeaning the President of the USA is very bad policy for Australia.

  144. DrBeauGan

    He’d enjoy pardoning Hillary, even more.

  145. I dare one of you to link a chart of positive recent economic activity in America where the trend line wasn’t already positive under Obama.

    GO!!

  146. Trump is not going to be impeached, indicted or whatever, but Brennan, Comey, McCabe and the rest of the rat pack are.

    JC, you’re starting to sound like USSR.

  147. Senile Old Guy

    ABC:

    The nation should be forced to vote on changes to the constitution to ensure more Australians can run for Parliament and the electoral system is not manipulated, according to a bipartisan parliamentary committee. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull ordered the review of section 44 of the constitution in October last year, after the High Court ruled the elections of then deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce and four other politicians at the 2016 election were invalid. The committee’s report, titled Excluded — The impact of section 44 on Australian democracy, has recommended that parliament be given the power to decide who should be disqualified from public office, to ensure the standards keep up with the changing face of Australia.

    Giving parliament the power to decide who can be in parliament? What could possibly go wrong?

  148. OneWorldGovernment

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2712797, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:27 am

    Ms Bishop’s alignment of Australia with countries that are perennially wishy-washy about Israel and placating Palestinian sensitivities does us no good.

    Yes, disgraceful. Just another example of head in the sand hopes that if they ignore Trump he will just go away. Ignoring and demeaning the President of the USA is very bad policy for Australia.

    But Turnbull said .. ar… em… Hamas…ar…em…shouldn’t….ar..emmm. you know…. they shouldn’t be agro… arm..err…

    What was that Lucy?…. arm err.

  149. JC

    He’d enjoy pardoning Hillary, even more.

    Wouldn’t it be great to watch that. I reckon she would refuse it and rather go to jail… or kill herself.

  150. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty
    #2712799, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:28 am

    I dare one of you to link a chart of positive recent economic activity in America where the trend line wasn’t already positive under Obama.

    GO!!

    ROFL

    m0nty

    you agro lesbian you.

    LOL.

  151. Slayer of Memes

    Scott Peterson, the 55-year-old Broward County sheriff’s deputy who failed to engage the Parkland High School shooter, is set to receive a taxpayer-funded pension of $104,000 every year for the rest of his life.

    #CowardicePays

  152. thefrolickingmole

    Ramirez up above is a good cartoon summarizing the Pallis idiocy.

    Obama is going to jail.

    Id hate to see him cop anything more than a charge & pardon, for the same reason Id hate to see Trump manouvered out of office.
    There would be a very good chance it would end in a fairly warm version of a civil war.

    The USA only just missed out on a “John Browns body” moment when that Democrat tried to assassinate a number of republicans at the baseball practice.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html

  153. cohenite

    Boral has cacked itself and reneged on its evidence against setka and reardon.

  154. Cactus

    Roger – I agree the end game in all of this is going to be Trump pardoning Obama and Clinton. It would be grand magnanimous – healing wounds, helping country move forward etc and would grate enormously on them.

    The question will be – when does he choose to do it? There wasn’t a conviction of Nixon, Ford pre-emptively pardoned him. So Trump only probably needs to move enough of the public opinion to think Obama and Hillary were crooked – and he can pardon them as theatre before actually having to prove up a case.

    MAGA

  155. cohenite

    I dare one of you to link a chart of positive recent economic activity in America where the trend line wasn’t already positive under Obama.

    Oil and gas exploration and development you fuckwit.

  156. Slayer of Memes

    He’d enjoy pardoning Hillary, even more.

    Wouldn’t it be great to watch that. I reckon she would refuse it and rather go to jail… or kill herself.

    Arkanicide…

    (a method of dying wherein the subject shoots themselves in the back of the head…. TWICE…. with no gun being found at the scene afterward…)

    (cf. Vince Forster, Seth Rich…)

  157. OneWorldGovernment

    m0nty

    here’s your song

  158. C.L.

    Mueller’s working theory is that Stormy Daniels, a wrestler, Alexander Downer and the Russians rigged the election.

  159. Slayer of Memes

    Boral has cacked itself and reneged on its evidence against setka and reardon.

    Well it is kinda hard to run a concrete company when any building site your trucks turn up to for a pour suddenly has ‘safety issues’ that require everyone to walk out for the rest of the day….

    …. but it’s not blackmail or anything….

  160. Senile Old Guy

    ABC:

    Marriage equality wasn’t the end of the fight for equality for LGBTI Australians

    Of course, it was never going to be.

    Now is the time to do so again. There are so many opportunities to make our laws fairer and better protect the human rights of LGBTI people. Yet there is a real risk of backlash against LGBTI people and the idea that we are entitled to equal rights in the aftermath of last year’s postal survey.

    The perennial “backlash” that never seems to happen.

    LGBTI groups have called for an end to permanent exemptions from discrimination enjoyed by religious organisations, particularly in government funded service delivery, employment and schools.

    Then would they be happy? Nope, they would just move to the next target. It was inevitable.

  161. thefrolickingmole

    cohenite
    Boral has cacked itself and reneged on its evidence against setka and reardon.

    They were on a hiding to nothing once the line about them drafting multiple statements together was brought up.

    Doesnt matter what else came out a competent lawyer would happen the “colluded statements long after the meeting” line.

    “Guilty as hell, free as a bird” springs to mind.

  162. DrBeauGan

    The question will be – when does he choose to do it? There wasn’t a conviction of Nixon, Ford pre-emptively pardoned him. So Trump only probably needs to move enough of the public opinion to think Obama and Hillary were crooked – and he can pardon them as theatre before actually having to prove up a case.

    MAGA

    I figure a week or two in the slammer first would be optimal. After all, POTUS has other important things to do.

  163. Tom

    For Cats with pay, Rudi Giuliani is on Laura Ingraham’s show after midday AEST (Foxtel channel 604) talking about his most recent conversation with Robert Mueller, who assured him he cannot – under the terms of a 1999 DOJ memorandum – and will not indict Trump.

  164. Snoopy

    m0nty
    #2712799, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:28 am

    I dare one of you to link a chart of positive recent economic activity in America where the trend line wasn’t already positive under Obama.

    GO!!

    Yeah, an immigration Ponzi scheme will do that. Idiot.

  165. OldOzzie

    Egyptian embassy funds Anne Aly’s trip to Cairo – Joe Kelly

    Labor MP Anne Aly accepted more than $3000 in flights — ­including a trip to Cairo in July — from the Egyptian ­embassy, which last week issued a statement clearing her of being a foreign citizen.

    The MP, who holds the marginal West Australian seat of Cowan by 0.7 per cent, last Friday produced an unsigned letter from the Egyptian embassy declaring her dual citizenship had been ­relinquished two days after she lodged a request on May 4, 2016.

    Fresh questions have emerged over Dr Aly’s citizenship status, with legal experts quizzing ­whether the document confirmed she had satisfied key tests in Egyptian nationality law, specifically article 10, article 16 and article 22.

    Constitutional law expert ­George Williams told The Australian there were a “number of MPs” who had come forward with “unverified statements as to whether they have renounced or hold citizenship under foreign law”.

    He warned that documents from foreign embassies produced by MPs could not be taken as proof that dual citizenship had been relinquished according to the legal mechanisms of a foreign country, following the High Court’s strict interpretation of section 44 of the Constitution.

    The Egyptian embassy picked up the bill for a $2380 return Perth-Cairo airfare last July, allowing Dr Aly to attend an Egyptian Women Abroad conference.

    GRAPHIC: Aly’s Egyptian gifts

    The Defence Department confirmed last night Mona Shindy — formerly the face of the Australian Defence Force’s diversity push — also went to the conference, invited by the Egyptian government “which funded the travel and accommodation”.

    The event, to mark the International Year of Women, was an initiative of the Egyptian government. It featured 32 women speakers from around the world in a bid to highlight the role of expatriate Egyptian women and encourage participation by women in Egyptian society.

    Captain Shindy, the Director of the Navy Materiel Seaworthiness Assurance Agency, courted controversy in 2015 as the Chief of Navy’s strategic adviser on Islamic affairs when she used an official Twitter account to air political views on subjects such as Islamist-led terror attacks and the then prime minister Tony Abbott.

    She was widely criticised at the time, including by Dr Aly, then an associate professor at Curtin University, who argued that public servants should never express themselves politically.

    While in Cairo for the conference, Dr Aly received two nights’ accommodation at the luxury Al Masah Hotel provided by the Egyptian Ministry of Immigration and the National Council of Women, worth $620, and received transfers valued at $200 during her trip.

    Dr Aly also received a return economy flight between Perth and Canberra, paid for by the Egyptian embassy, to attend last year’s reception for the 65th anniversary of Egypt’s national day.

    Melbourne University law ­professor Jeremy Gans questioned whether the document produced by Dr Aly last Friday satisfied the key tests for the ­relinquishment of Egyptian citizenship set out in Egyptian nationality law.

    He argues that, under article 10, an Egyptian can acquire a foreign nationality only if they receive permission by a decree of the Minister of Interior. Failing this, the person would continue to be regarded as an Egyptian citizen.

    The relinquishment of Egyptian citizenship under article 16 would require the issuing of a decree by the “Ministers Council” — and this can only be issued in certain circumstances. Article 22 states that all decrees concerning the withdrawal of Egyptian nationality need to be published in the “official journal within 30 days from the date of their issuance”.

    In an article for the Inside Story website last Friday, Professor Gans wrote: “What is required in every case is a government decree. Aly’s register has no proof of the date of any decree by the Egyptian government, in particular whether it occurred before she nominated (on 9 June 2016). Worse, there’s no proof that the decree has been made at all. She may well still be Egyptian”.

    A spokeswoman for Dr Aly said last night: “All information has been declared in line with disclosure rules.”

    Fresh questions have been cast over the status of two other Labor MPs — Emma Husar and Emma McBride — whose entries in the foreign citizenship register show both sought to renounce their foreign citizenships but lacked any documents showing that their ­applications were acted upon.

    Ms Husar holds the western Sydney seat of Lindsay on a margin of 1.1 per cent while Ms McBride holds the NSW central coast seat of Dobell by 4.8 per cent.

    NSW Liberal MP Jason Falinski, who holds the safe seat of Mackellar on Sydney’s northern beaches, is also under pressure to prove he is not a Polish citizen. He has produced a letter from the Polish ambassador stating that he was “not entitled to the rights or privileges of Polish citizenship”, with his lawyers using his father’s status as an illegitimate child to buttress his case.

    Mr Falinski’s father was born in 1943 in Tokmok, then part of Russia, to Polish-born father Leon and Russian-born mother Maria. The family moved to Poland in 1946 before emigrating to Australia in 1958 with Polish law stating that a child born to a Polish parent automatically acquires citizenship at birth.

    While National Archives documents state that Mr Falinski’s grandparents were married, Mr Falinski claims they never married but stated in documentation that they had done so to protect their son from the shame associated with being born out of wedlock.

  166. Myrddin Seren

    If nothing else, at least the Canadians have the most embarrassing leader in the world.

  167. C.L.

    Yes, really …
    Liberal committee recommends referendum to ditch section 44 citizenship requirement

    “Australian dual citizens can sit on the High Court or fight and die for our nation, but not nominate as a candidate,” committee chair Linda Reynolds said.

    The committee’s report, titled Excluded — The impact of section 44 on Australian democracy, has recommended that parliament be given the power to decide who should be disqualified from public office, to ensure the standards keep up with the changing face of Australia.

    “We, as Australians, should never be reluctant to test and debate the health of our democracy, particularly when an issue has created as much disruption as section 44 has in the past year,” the committee stated.

  168. thefrolickingmole

    Myrddin Seren

    Pissed as a nit.
    Even some lefties are getting sick of his humblebragging apologies.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/16/canada-justin-trudeau-apologising-too-much

    Contains a brilliant line..

    For some, it’s a feminist victory. For others, it’s exasperating to turn on the TV and see the prime minister with his beautiful face awash in tears, like a My Little Pony glistening with bathwater.

  169. cohenite

    They were on a hiding to nothing once the line about them drafting multiple statements together was brought up.

    The thing is the alleged blackmail threat of secondary boycotts against Boral happened. So no threat was made, the cfmeu just did it.

  170. Confused Old Misfit

    Monty sounds like my stupid sisters.

  171. thefrolickingmole

    cohenite

    Its law, not justice.

  172. OldOzzie

    Dual citizenship: Committee urges PM to hold referendum – Joe Kelly

    The Liberal-chaired committee investigating the dual citizenship crisis engulfing parliament has recommended a referendum to change the constitution, despite the option being dismissed by Malcolm Turnbull as impractical.

    The Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters — chaired by West Australian Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds — has this morning released its report with the first recommendation proposing a change to the constitution.

    The report says: “The Committee recommends that the Australian Government prepare a proposed referendum question to either: repeal sections 44 and 45 of the Constitution; or insert into sections 44 and 45 the words: ‘Until the Parliament otherwise provides…’”.

    The committee says that, if the referendum passes, the government should engage with the community to “determine contemporary expectations of standards in order to address all matters of qualification and disqualification for Parliament”.

    It suggests that the result of this engagement could see legislation introduced into parliament under section 34 of the Constitution to address the qualifications of MPs to uphold community expectations.

    The report says that, if the referendum does not proceed or pass, the government should consider strategies to “mitigate the impact of section 44”.

    It proposes a number of strategies including support for the Australian Electoral Commission to develop “online self assessment tools” for candidates; additional education on the requirements of section 44 to independents and minor parties as well as the introduction of a compulsory “preliminary step” to help gather legal advice before a referral is made by the parliament to the High Court on disqualification issues.

    The committee also suggests the possibility of working with foreign governments to expedite or develop processes for “automatic citizenship renunciation” and to ensure that invalid candidates cannot manipulate election outcomes.

    Special Minister of State Mathias Cormann welcomed the report, in particular its “recommendations on how to improve nomination arrangements for candidates,” but made clear the government had no intention of changing the constitution.

    “While the Government is not inclined to pursue a referendum to change section 44 of the Constitution at this time, we will give due consideration to the findings and recommendations of the committee,” Senator Cormann said.

    “As the committee itself recognised, successful constitutional change is challenging and making the case would take more time than is available prior to the next general election”.

    However, Senator Cormann said the government was taking “active steps” to ensure the citizenship crisis was properly addressed and that “improved processes” were implemented ahead of the upcoming “Super Saturday” of five byelections.

    “We intend to move now to improve the existing candidate nomination process for elections in accordance with the relevant unanimous JSCEM recommendations on these matters,” he said.

    “We will consult swiftly with relevant stakeholders on proposed changes to give effect to the JSCEM recommendations on improvements to the nomination arrangements to ensure these improved processes will be in place for the upcoming by-elections”.

    Senator Cormann said that, under these changes, candidates would provide information upon nomination to the AEC “consistent with the information that was recently requested from all current Members and Senators for inclusion on the citizenship register — as well as information on other potential disqualifications under section 44”.

    “The government is committed to ensuring the constitutional legitimacy of the Australian parliament”.

    From the Comments

    – How can a Liberal chaired committee deliver such as dumb result?

    – Don’t expect any leadership for Malcolm Turnbull or Bill Shorten on this issue.

    The integrity of the parliament has been at risk for a long time now and neither has shown any leadership on the issue whatsoever.

    Both are worried about their leadership numbers.

    Suicide by committee, some more noble people prefer harakiri

    – Quite simply there is nothing to change, you are either a sole Australian citizen and can sit in parliament or your not and can’t. As a sovereign nation do we really want a parliament of Sam Dastyari’s ( while not a dual citizen) who’s opinions and support can be bought by foreign nations colluding as dual citizens

    – NO NO NO NO, why change it when it is not broken. It is doing the job as intended to keep the Parliament Australian.

    Imagine every second MP or Senator with an allegiance to a foreign power. We would be up the creek without a puddle..

  173. Infidel Tiger

    Yes I’m sure a Referendum asking Australians to support dual citizens sitting in parliament would pass.

    Just how out of touch are these buffoons?

  174. C.L.

    Good Lord. This wedding lead-up is going to put ten years on William and Harry …

    … MEGHAN Markle’s half sister Samantha has reportedly been involved in a car crash as she was being pursued by paparazzi …

  175. OneWorldGovernment

    OldOzzie
    #2712832, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:55 am

    Dual citizenship: Committee urges PM to hold referendum – Joe Kelly

    I recall reading of a Greek City that sent their representative to ‘wherever’.

    If they found out that their representative did not represent their wishes then they killed that person.

  176. Old School Conservative

    Out of touch, IT? Nah, well in touch with the gravy train that might just leave the station without them.

  177. DrBeauGan

    If they found out that their representative did not represent their wishes then they killed that person.

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    You may be sobering up, OWG. About time.

  178. Bruce of Newcastle

    Looks like the Left’s brownshirts have won again: Peter Ridd is reported by the Cairns Post to have left JCU two weeks ago.

    No link as paywalled, and no other reports I can see so far.

  179. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712838, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:07 am

    If they found out that their representative did not represent their wishes then they killed that person.

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    You may be sobering up, OWG. About time.

    LOL

    I’ve noted your positive contribution this morning.

    Don’t fuck it up now or metaphysics.

  180. Bruce of Newcastle

    Liberal committee recommends referendum to ditch section 44 citizenship requirement

    Oh yes please!
    I wonder if the No vote will crack 90%?

  181. You have a working hypothesis that you don’t have any beliefs- but you can’t prove it.

    You can never prove a working hypothesis, Leo, but you can sometimes be persuaded that they need to be modified.

    Leo, indeed, caught you out there. Your claim that is that you don’t have beliefs, which you never defined even for the purposes of comparing with, or contrasting to, working hypotheses. He did because working hypotheses are generally attached to specific research programs, but there is no possibility that you could have a working hypothesis that you do not have any beliefs but only working hypotheses that are attached to any specific research program. To say, I don’t have any beliefs, is as clear a statement of belief, or propositional attitude, as you can find. It would be different, however, if I said, DrBeauGan has no beliefs, reviewed your statements, and then revise my earlier working hypothesis. Still, it seems clear that both statements are beliefs, just different sorts.

  182. OldOzzie

    Shorten will prevail on boats insists Stephen Conroy – Rachel Baxendale

    Labor Party elder Stephen Conroy has recalled sitting in cabinet meetings during the Rudd-Gillard years and forecasting the cost of housing and processing asylum seekers would exceed Australia’s entire education budget.

    The former Labor senator said he was confident Opposition Leader Bill Shorten would prevail at the party’s national conference in July, amid a push from the Left faction to weaken border protection policy.

    “The Labor conference back in 2015 or so, absolutely shut the door on this one,” Mr Conroy told Sky News last night.

    “We had a very robust debate and Bill Shorten prevailed. Bill Shorten will prevail at the next conference and he will not be changing the position that we took to the last election which is supporting turning back the boats.”

    “I’ve sat in cabinet where the numbers have been coming in, in terms of the amount of refugees, the amount of boats coming across and we have ended up with forecasts of spending more in one year processing and housing refugees than we were going to spend on education.

    “When you start hitting those sorts of numbers you realise it is utterly unsustainable, so anybody out there who thinks we can change our position will utterly destroy the fabric of the government and the budget into the future.

    “You’ve got to be tough to protect people’s lives from being lost at sea themselves, and also to ensure that we can maintain an orderly immigration program, and help the many tens of thousands of refugees that we do help every hear.

    “There is no win in this for Labor and Bill Shorten will prevail.”

    On Tuesday Mr Shorten said Labor would not place any time limit on how long asylum seekers are able to stay on Nauru and Manus Island, despite a draft party platform released ahead of national conference calling for a 90-day limit.

    A fortnight ago Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull accused Labor leader in the Senate Penny Wong of “rolling out the welcome mat to the people smugglers” after she said the party should be advocating for detention processing purposes to be limited.

    From the Comments

    – and pigs will fly

    – The real worry, of course, is that Bill needs to ‘prevail’. It implies that there is a significant rump within Labor that does not hold to the current view about boat arrivals. Even if Bill ‘prevails’, there is absolutely no guarantee that a change of policy will not be forced on him and others.

    Witness: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead” (Gillard) and “we’ll turn them – the boats – back” (Rudd).

    – Where is the media acting in the interests of Australians, when the ALP can waste more money on their failed immigration policy than the education of our children!

    – OMG, I’m shocked, staggered … Conroy has spoken something sensible at last.

  183. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2712842, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:12 am

    Liberal committee recommends referendum to ditch section 44 citizenship requirement

    Oh yes please!
    I wonder if the No vote will crack 90%?

    That would be the Turnbull Political Party.

    The Liberal Party of Australia no longer exists.

  184. DrBeauGan

    I’ve noted your positive contribution this morning.

    Don’t fuck it up now or metaphysics.

    Your approbation nearly unmans me.

    I’m a fairly silly man, but not silly enough to debate with drunks.

  185. Anne

    “Satan worshipping Pope… he’s outta there!

    No more children on the black slab for YOU!”

    You’ve been riding on the black helicopter again, haven’t you, Annie? That belongs to USSR — and you went joyriding in it!

    OK, hit us with the latest theory from Alex Jones.

    Tom, Q said the Pope was going to have a terrible May. Looks like the Truth is leaking out… leaking, leaking, leaking. No matter how much you bail, their ship is going down.

    The Pope and the rest of the ped-o-vore Cabal are about to get their red shoes wet.

    By the way Tom, get the meme right. You’re supposed to imply I’m surveilled by the black helicopters not doing the surveilling. You’re not very good. 🙄

  186. Snoopy

    The Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters — chaired by West Australian Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds — has this morning released its report with the first recommendation proposing a change to the constitution.

    Cut her some slack. She was a brigadier in the Army Reserve.

  187. Anne

    Yes I’m sure a Referendum asking Australians to support dual citizens sitting in parliament would pass.

    The United Nations needs to put in their own Operatives.

    Australian politicians are just too stupid and unappealing.

  188. thefrolickingmole

    Caught a bit of their ABC this morning and it actually contained some real balance.

    Started off boilerplate, greenpeace and wilderness society paying for the mayor of kangaroo island (or town encompassing it) to fly to a board meeting of a oil company in the EU to whinge about possible exploration drilling in the Bight.

    All stock standard ABC soft soap,
    But then..

    The interviewer asked who paid for the trip, was it appropriate given many constituents wouldnt be of the same opinion etc.
    Very, very un-ABC
    I didnt quite hear the end of it, but it was a breath of fresh air compared to the usual bullshit.

  189. Myrddin Seren

    The committee’s report…….has recommended that parliament be given the power to decide who should be disqualified from public office, to ensure the standards keep up with the changing face of Australia.

    Hereditary Political Class – here we come.

    Pretty much at the point now where we should be too embarrassed to mock Cuba.

  190. Anne

    We may not have guns but we’re scrappy.

    We’d get some bark off.

  191. Tom

    Thanks, Bruce of Newk. Yes, indeed, the left’s Brown Shirts have had a dissident scientist silenced and sacked. Page 9 lead story in today’s Cairns Post:

    A CONTROVERSIAL scientist who has been branded a climate change sceptic appears to have parted ways with James Cook University.

    Townsville-based marine geophysicist Professor Peter Ridd is understood to have left JCU about two weeks ago, ending an academic career with the university that stretched for more than 30 years.

    The university is currently involved in Federal Court action against the outspoken researcher, who has sought to have the court overturn a “serious misconduct” finding made against him late last year.

    It is also understood that both parties have signed a nondisclosure agreement, prohibiting details of the scientist’s departure from the university being released publicly.

    However, Prof Ridd’s entire research portfolio has been removed from JCU’s website, which suggests the researcher is “no longer at the university”.

    In a statement yesterday, a JCU spokesman said the university did not comment on personal employment matters involving its staff.

    “As there is ongoing litigation before the court, it is not appropriate for the university to comment further other than it is continuing to vigorously defend the matter,” he said.

    Prof Ridd was accused by JCU of misconduct after he commented on Sky News in August last year that the community could “no longer trust” key marine science organisations’ findings on the impact of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef.

    The coastal oceanography expert refused to accept a formal censure and gag order issued by the university in November after it was reportedly ruled that he had denigrated a co-worker, denigrated the university, breached confidentiality, published information outside of the university and disregarded his obligations as an employee.

    The JCU spokesman said staff members could comment and engage in public discussion on matters within their area of expertise, within the framework of the university’s Code of Conduct.

    “No employee is immune from their responsibilities,” he said.

    Attempts to contact Prof Ridd were unsuccessful.

  192. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2712846, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:17 am

    I’ve noted your positive contribution this morning.

    Don’t fuck it up now or metaphysics.

    Your approbation nearly unmans me.

    I’m a fairly silly man, but not silly enough to debate with drunks.

    Straight out gay troll.

    What came first, the Shaman or the Mathematician?

    Out of idle curiosity but in which States have you been a University Lecturer?

  193. DrBeauGan

    The JCU spokesman said staff members could comment and engage in public discussion on matters within their area of expertise, within the framework of the university’s Code of Conduct.

    “No employee is immune from their responsibilities,” he said.

    Chief of which is toeing the party line. As I pointed out above, bureaucrats see only power issues and are oblivious to all other aspects of reality.

  194. Snoopy

    JCU sacks Ridd while awarding PhD’s in reef data fabrication. At least they’re consistent.

  195. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1011

    the boom that Obama built

    ROFLMAO.

  196. Snoopy

    Ridd is another victim of catastrophic climate change.

  197. Leigh Lowe

    Boambee John

    #2712857, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:28 am

    m0nty at 1011

    the boom that Obama built

    See that boom you got.
    See that growth you got.
    You didn’t build that.

  198. Myrddin Seren

    “When you start hitting those sorts of numbers you realise it is utterly unsustainable, so anybody out there who thinks we can change our position will utterly destroy the fabric of the government and the budget into the future.

    That is a feature, not a bug, to the green-Left.

  199. OldOzzie

    Cladding risk for 12,000 Qld buildings

    Observation – Did not see Cladding on any Apartment Buildings in Shanghai or Beijing recently

    Flammable cladding blamed for London’s Grenfell Tower fire may have been used on as many as 12,000 buildings in Queensland, a taskforce has found.

    A year-long inquiry by the taskforce into 28,000 buildings constructed or renovated since 1994 has found 880 require further investigation and at least 70 need rectification work.

    The taskforce was set up by the state government after the 2017 Grenfell disaster, which killed 71 people including two Australians, to assess how many buildings carry the aluminium composite panels (ACP).

    It is preparing to assess an additional 12,000 privately-owned buildings, including about 1200 residences.

    A lack of central data collection and inconsistency of documentation detailing approvals has hindered the work of the taskforce, it said.

    “The complexities and challenges that this brings to the identification process means there is a risk that not all affected buildings might be identified or identifiable,” the taskforce’s report says.

    “Private owners and local governments are encouraged to make their own enquiries about the buildings that they control.”

    Housing and Public Works Minister Mick de Brenni says while it would cost millions to complete rectifications, the government could not put a price on safety.

    He told state parliament on Thursday the government had accepted all six of the report’s recommendations, including creating a central database of information and an education guide for builders, owners and management bodies.

    The report says there “may be as many as 12,000 buildings across the state built since the introduction of ACP into Queensland that will need assessment by the building owner, private certifier or other building professional”.

    While private owners would be asked to remove the cladding, Mr de Brenni said the government could increase its powers to ensure safety measures were enforced.

    The report, tabled in state parliament on Thursday, was prepared by former MP Terry Mackenroth, who died last month.

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Fremantle WWII airman Cecil Lancelot immortalised in a portrait exhibition
    Trevor PaddenburgPerthNow
    May 14, 2018

    A WA navigator who took part in the infamous World War II Dambusters air raid over Nazi Germany has been immortalised in a portrait exhibition of the 133 airmen involved.

    Where do some of these clowns learn journalism? Seriously?

  201. OneWorldGovernment

    OldOzzie
    #2712861, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:31 am

    Cladding risk for 12,000 Qld buildings

    Observation – Did not see Cladding on any Apartment Buildings in Shanghai or Beijing recently

    Flammable cladding blamed for London’s Grenfell Tower fire may have been used on as many as 12,000 buildings in Queensland, a taskforce has found.

    So when they find the same in Sydney and Melbourne the 3 cities can be bulldozed into the sea.

  202. Oil and gas exploration and development you fuckwit.

    Nup cohenite, the shale oil boom happened under Obama.

    Anyone got a link? No? So you’re all full of shizen then.

  203. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Didn’t the dambuster raids function also to show that the Lancaster bomber planes could do the job that was claimed for them? Issues with the engine capability prior to that?

  204. Anne

    The unmanning of men is an important part of the plan for global culling.

    I wonder how they’re doing it.

    Indoctrination or chemicals?

    Could be the hormones in Chicken and other foods.

    Could be Water Fluoridation, known to make populations docile.

    The Truth will out. Soon.

  205. Myrddin Seren

    U.S. Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller has issued two subpoenas to a social media expert who worked for longtime Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone during the 2016 presidential election campaign.

    One of the two subpoenas delivered last week requests that Sullivan appear before a grand jury on May 18 at the Federal Courthouse in Washington, D.C. The other orders Sullivan to bring documents, objects and electronically stored information.

    Wonder how Mueller intends to prosecute this guy ?

  206. Do cats, dogs and cockroaches also do maths and science?

    They believe that dogs have a concept of quantity – being predators (like cats) it would be handy to be able size up your quarry/opposition, so as not to be overwhelmed, methinks.

    But is being able to “size up your quarry/opposition” having a concept of quantity? I think not. Concepts are abstractions. For a dog to have the concept of quantity, it would not just be able to recognize a difference between 1 and 4 prey, and/or a difference between a meerkat and a lion, and/or the difference in speed between an injured zebra and one at the height of its powers, but be able to abstract from all three examples the concepts of number, size, and speed, and other related concept, in order to grasp the concept of quantity itself.
    Of course, the ‘they’ referred to above might be using a far more modest definition of ‘concept’, that would require philosophical justification.

  207. Chris

    Nup cohenite, the shale oil boom happened under Obama.

    You can’t drill you way out of an energy crisis.

    You have to press Reset, and lead international action from behind for regime change in dictatorships in ME and NA.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    The JCU spokesman said staff members could comment and engage in public discussion on matters within their area of expertise …

    What is their view on a paleontologist like Flummery opening his trap about climate science then?

  209. OneWorldGovernment

    dover_beach
    #2712870, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:47 am

    Do cats, dogs and cockroaches also do maths and science?

    They believe that dogs have a concept of quantity – being predators (like cats) it would be handy to be able size up your quarry/opposition, so as not to be overwhelmed, methinks.

    But is being able to “size up your quarry/opposition” having a concept of quantity? I think not. Concepts are abstractions. For a dog to have the concept of quantity, it would not just be able to recognize a difference between 1 and 4 prey, and/or a difference between a meerkat and a lion, and/or the difference in speed between an injured zebra and one at the height of its powers, but be able to abstract from all three examples the concepts of number, size, and speed, and other related concept, in order to grasp the concept of quantity itself.
    Of course, the ‘they’ referred to above might be using a far more modest definition of ‘concept’, that would require philosophical justification.

    My dogs would know to piss on dribblebogan

  210. Cactus

    The shale oil boom happened despite Obama. What did he do exactly to facilitate it?

  211. Bruce of Newcastle

    Observation – Did not see Cladding on any Apartment Buildings in Shanghai or Beijing recently

    Because the cladding is a globule worming initiative – supposedly to reduce requirements for heating and cooling sardine cans green high density housing.

    It is quite telling that the MSM never talks about the reason for the cladding of the Grenfell Tower. That would be to go off-piste bigly.

    The Chinese aren’t as stupid as we are.

  212. Tom

    OldOzzie, you and I are now the Cat’s officially designated Ruperdink Mudrock content liberators: you have access to everything in the Paywallian (which I now do not) and also, I believe, to the anti-business daily; I have switched to the Melbournibad Currant Bun, which gives me access to everything in every non-Fakefacts capital city daily and some regional titles, as well as to WSJ (a remnant of my defunct Paywallian sub). Knowledge hunters are depending on us and we will not disappoint them.

  213. DrBeauGan

    But is being able to “size up your quarry/opposition” having a concept of quantity? I think not. Concepts are abstractions. For a dog to have the concept of quantity, it would not just be able to recognize a difference between 1 and 4 prey, and/or a difference between a meerkat and a lion, and/or the difference in speed between an injured zebra and one at the height of its powers, but be able to abstract from all three examples the concepts of number, size, and speed, and other related concept, in order to grasp the concept of quantity itself.
    Of course, the ‘they’ referred to above might be using a far more modest definition of ‘concept’, that would require philosophical justification.

    DB, crows can count up to seven by inspection, human beans only to about five. Moreover they already have the concept of a human with a long gun. Of course they haven’t got as much capacity for forming abstractions as human beings do. But they clearly have some.

    And dogs, as was pointed out earlier, are pretty good at communicating their feelings in what one might call body language augmented by the odd whine when they don’t get their way. I doubt this language incorporates a lnc.

  214. Myrddin Seren

    Tom

    OldOzzie, you and I are now the Cat’s officially designated Ruperdink Mudrock content liberators:

    It is getting difficult.

    Some of the materials we used to rely on here for discussion purposes are drying up.

    And Drudgereport seems to be a shadow of its former self now that so much content is paywalled.

  215. Snoopy

    Anyone got a link? No? So you’re all full of shizen then.

    Coal production, you shithead.

  216. DrBeauGan

    Oh, and some human beans have very limited powers of abstraction too. Particularly when pissed. I give you OWG. You can keep him.

  217. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nup cohenite, the shale oil boom happened under Obama.

    ROFL!

    Obama routinely blocked drilling on Federal land. He also banned offshore drilling.

    A new nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) report quantifies the Obama administration’s hostility towards America’s oil and natural gas industry. While oil and natural gas production has surged on non-federal lands, President Obama has overseen a decline in production on federal lands.

    According to the CRS report, oil production on federal lands actually fell 6 percent between 2009 and 2013. Over the same period of time, oil production increased by an astounding 61 percent on state and private lands.

    Obama Stymies Oil and Natural Gas Production on Federal Lands (2014)

    The shale boom was in spite of Obama, not because of him. If he had control of private sector oil and gas like here the whole exploration sector would have been killed dead as a Carboniferous pinetree.

  218. Leigh Lowe

    They believe that dogs have a concept of quantity – being predators (like cats) it would be handy to be able size up your quarry/opposition, so as not to be overwhelmed, methinks.

    Billy Connolly once said that all animals, when confronted with another animal in the wild, process three thoughts in rapid succession … “can I eat it? can it eat me? can I fuck it?”
    This determines what happens next.

  219. OneWorldGovernment

    crows can count up to seven by inspection, human beans only to about five. Moreover they already have the concept of a human with a long gun. Of course they haven’t got as much capacity for forming abstractions as human beings do. But they clearly have some.

    And dogs, as was pointed out earlier, are pretty good at communicating their feelings in what one might call body language augmented by the odd whine when they don’t get their way. I doubt this language incorporates a lnc.

    Dribblebogan

    Your like one of Pavlov’s dogs.

    Love your stuff.

    Keep it coming.

  220. Snoopy

    Nup cohenite, the shale oil boom happened under Obama

    Mmyes. Observe the great oil production boom of 2015-16. Fuckwit.

  221. OneWorldGovernment

    Hey dribblebogon

    What subjects do you lecture?

  222. zyconoclast

    Wallabies coach Michael Cheika is standing by Israel Folau, refusing to take issue with his match-winning fullback’s provocative online posts about homosexuality.

    Speaking for the first time since Folau sparked a storm of controversy six weeks ago with the first of a series of divisive posts about gays, Cheika said anyone who disagreed with his religious beliefs — including homosexuals — should ignore them.

  223. duncanm

    thefrolickingmole
    #2712850, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:22 am
    Caught a bit of their ABC this morning and it actually contained some real balance.

    Started off boilerplate, greenpeace and wilderness society paying for the mayor of kangaroo island (or town encompassing it) to fly to a board meeting of a oil company in the EU to whinge about possible exploration drilling in the Bight.

    audio here.

    amazeballs.

    Typically idiotic local council mayor acting well outside his brief.

    The state gov’t should tell him to STFU.

  224. Leigh Lowe

    Nup cohenite, the shale oil boom happened under Obama.

    Yeah, because Obumbi was, like, totally in the bag for BIG OIL, BIG GAS and BIG PIPELINES.
    Waving permits through from the in-tray to the out-tray in a blur.
    Fuck off idiot.

  225. OneWorldGovernment

    Snoopy
    #2712886, posted on May 17, 2018 at 12:11 pm

    Nup cohenite, the shale oil boom happened under Obama

    Mmyes. Observe the great oil production boom of 2015-16. Fuckwit.

    Snoopy

    Don’t you know that ‘the one’ has created all the good stuff and it’s nothing to do with Trump.

    The Iranian mullers will be watching with bated breath.

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Speaking for the first time since Folau sparked a storm of controversy six weeks ago with the first of a series of divisive posts about gays, Cheika said anyone who disagreed with his religious beliefs — including homosexuals — should ignore them.

    Looks like ARU CEO Ms Basin-cut has got a bit of an uprising on her hands.

  227. Snoopy

    I can see that Dr BeauGan is beginning to weaken. Another three or four weeks of this and I predict that one Sunday morning he’ll find himself wondering why he’s standing outside a Uniting church.

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