Wednesday Forum: May 16, 2018

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  1. JC

    You know Mueller’s investigation must be going well when Alexander Downer is the key player.

    I reckon he’s into this and knows far more about the thing than what we know so far. He was doling out cash to the Clinton Foundation when he was foreign minster. The turd.

  2. Tel

    … this wretched century

    spot on. If centuries had tag lines, THAT’s the one for the 21st.

    Give us a break! By this time last century we had 18 million dead, 23 million wounded (yes I looked those up), most of Europe destroyed, genocide of the Armenians, first use of chemical weapons, and the end of the gold standard.

    What have we had this Century? Instability in the Middle East (as per normal), a generation of emos and a followup generation of phone stroking millenials in pussy hats. How bad can it get?

  3. zyconoclast

    I reckon he’s into this and knows far more about the thing than what we know so far. He was doling out cash to the Clinton Foundation when he was foreign minster. The turd.

    …doling out our cash to the Clinton Foundation when he was foreign minster. The cross dressing turd.

  4. Percy Porcelain

    He was doling out cash to the Clinton Foundation when he was foreign minister

    Presumably the first in a long line of our beloved politicians to do so.

  5. herodotus

    Bolt tonight drew our attention to the (now usual) probable scam story about a baby supposedly dying due to Israeli tear gas exposure.
    There were tearful scenes shown on TV. So far, situation normal for Pali propaganda, which is so readily taken up by much of the western MSM, and retailed as gospel truth.
    Three problems, two specific to this case, and another more general flaw.
    Firstly, there’s a big question about why she was anywhere near the border in the circumstances. Secondly, there’s evidence emerging that she had a congenital heart issue (hole in heart) which is a likely cause of death.
    But most generically to the whole Pali and ME saga, most mystifying and most hypocritical, is why these televised portrayals of grief over this death of a child when the same culture continually sends children into situations where death or damage is predictable, extols the culture of martyrdom, but then turns on the tear ducts for the cameras.
    Their children are raised (in larger numbers than in our monogamous culture) to be expendable as martyrs.
    It happened in Indonesia the other day.

  6. JC

    Leigh Lowe
    #2713156, posted on May 17, 2018 at 6:56 pm

    Crows never sneak up on anyone.
    They stomp across the tin roof like pissed rhinos.

    I have a grudging respect for them. They were impossible to kill with a slug gun. We tried like crazy to get one, but the slug never seem to get through the hide.

    I developed a grudging respect for them. I saw one once diving into an open bin, throw out a paper bag that landed on the ground. It then flew out of the bin and began munching on discarded Macca fries. That’s some serious level of problem solving.

  7. zyconoclast

    WATCH: NAACP Leader Accuses Cop Of Racially Profiling, Harassing Him. The Body Cam Footage Tells A Different Story.

    In a public Facebook post last month, the president of the Timmonsville, South Carolina NAACP chapter claimed he was racially profiled by a Timmonsville police officer, mocked, and accused of having drugs on him. The footage captured by the body camera of the attending officer, though, debunks the leader’s claims.

  8. Percy Porcelain

    How bad can it get?

    A hell of a lot worse than it is now. The complete collapse of Western Civilisation is looming, for starters, unless a significant proportion of males in western countries grow some balls and start cracking (quite) a few skulls.

    Starting with the political class.

  9. zyconoclast

    When Calling 911 Makes the Emergency

    Dear White People,

    I’m scared of you.

    Almost all of you have a superpower that I’m in fear of. You have the power to call the police and be automatically believed. Even if I’m in a suit, whiteness gets the benefit of the doubt. And you have this power available to you all the time, regardless of what I’m doing. Even if I’m not committing a crime you can call the police and be believed and put my life in danger.

  10. cohenite

    It has reached the stage now where anyone who advocates wind and solar and batteries as being capable of powering a Western grid running at 50 or 60 Hz should be taken out the back and thrashed. They are beyond redemption, there is not an ounce of sense in what they say; at best they are naïve, feckless fools, at worst malignant ideologues and/or misanthropes.

    Renewables do not work.

  11. Leigh Lowe

    I reckon he’s into this and knows far more about the thing than what we know so far. He was doling out cash to the Clinton Foundation when he was foreign minster. The turd.

    More than that.
    I reckon his job was to simply meet with Stephanopoulos and report back the pre-agreed “facts”.
    Deep State then had a “credible source” and away they went.
    Fuck, Stephanopoulos could just as easily spent the whole time talking about his love of Italian sports cars.
    Wouldn’t matter.
    Faithful Alex would report that it was wall-to-wall Wussians, Wussians, Wussians.

  12. zyconoclast

    U.S. chipmaker Intel submits plans for $5 billion Israel expansion

    Israel’s Finance Ministry said the company would invest about 18 billion shekels ($5 billion) in the factory between 2018-2020 and had agreed to spend 3 billion shekels on local suppliers.

    “According to company officials, this investment is expected to pave the way for a future significant investment for a technological upgrade at the Israeli site,” the ministry said in a statement.

    In return, Intel will be granted an extension of its reduced tax rate of 5 percent until 2027. The Finance Ministry said it was also considering giving Intel a 700 million shekel grant, with a second grant of the same size to come with future investments.

    “This is to incentivise the company to carry out the future investment that could be significantly higher than past and current investments,” the ministry said.

    Intel said it exported $3.6 billion of goods and services from Israel in 2017, about 8 percent of the country’s total hi-tech exports.

  13. Leigh Lowe

    herodotus

    #2713184, posted on May 17, 2018 at 7:31 pm

    Bolt tonight drew our attention to the (now usual) probable scam story about a baby supposedly dying due to Israeli tear gas exposure

    I saw that in the Oz and did wonder all those things.
    Who dies of tear-gas without some pre-existing condition and who takes an 18 month old to a riot.

  14. zyconoclast

    France drops plan to set age of sexual consent at 15, triggering outrage & confusion

    The government’s decision to back out of plans to set the minimum age of sexual consent at 15 has sparked a massive backlash in France, with critics saying the alternative wording is only adding more confusion.
    The proposed legislation was introduced, to much fanfare, by Equality Minister Marlene Schiappa in March in the aftermath of a case which saw a rape charge against a man dropped when a court ruled than an 11-year-old girl had consented to have sex with him.

    The bill was eventually voted through parliament early Wednesday following a long debate, but instead of directly setting the minimum age of consent at 15, the legislation created a new offence of “sexual violation of a minor by penetration.”

    The new crime is punishable by 10 years in prison, significantly shorter than the 15 to 20 year sentences that rape offences accrue. In France, rape is defined as “any acts of sexual penetration committed on someone with violence, coercion, threat or surprise.”

  15. Stimpson J. Cat

    “or surprise.”

    Stupid f$cking frogs Jesus Christ.

  16. herodotus

    Credlin spent her editorial intro pleading for all parliamentarians to get it right and rescind their dual citizenship.
    But it misses the point. So many of the ALP and Greens have no brief for the nation’s interests.
    I’d rather have a dual citizen with this country’s interests at heart than Doris Bagshaw.
    Further, we now have unionists from the CFMEU right up to the top body (ACTU) advocating illegal action whenever they feel like it.
    These groups run the ALP.

  17. cohenite

    WATCH: NAACP Leader Accuses Cop Of Racially Profiling, Harassing Him. The Body Cam Footage Tells A Different Story.

    In a public Facebook post last month, the president of the Timmonsville, South Carolina NAACP chapter claimed he was racially profiled by a Timmonsville police officer, mocked, and accused of having drugs on him. The footage captured by the body camera of the attending officer, though, debunks the leader’s claims.

    Amazing, the cop did a good job; what an arsehole.

  18. Gab

    shekels

    I love that word. We should call our money shekels. Wonderful word that instantly conjures images of the old, old world well before the curse that is islam.

    It’s been around since 2150BC, probably earlier than that. The Sumerians should have trademarked the word.

  19. C.L.

    Crows make tools. If they had opposable digits they’d be bigger than the Arabs.

  20. zyconoclast

    Bolt tonight drew our attention to the (now usual) probable scam story about a baby supposedly dying due to Israeli tear gas exposure

    So when pictures of alleged Syrian government chemical attacks. Bolt calls it true.

    When pictures of baby dying of alleged Israeli tear gas attack. Bolt says its fake.

  21. C.L.

    More cool from the golden Reagan era:

  22. C.L.

    JC, the Miami Vice birds are flamingos, not pink pelicans. LOL.

  23. egg_

    You quoted me directly so stop bullshitting.

    Who am I speaking to – a thirty something academic?

  24. zyconoclast

    Hardcastle and McCormick Theme Song

  25. egg_

    You went from dogs have concepts to dogs have ‘number sense’

    Exhibit A, audience.

    dover_beach
    #2712870, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:47 am
    Do cats, dogs and cockroaches also do maths and science?

    They believe that dogs have a concept of quantity – being predators (like cats) it would be handy to be able size up your quarry/opposition, so as not to be overwhelmed, methinks.

    Where is the discrepancy?

  26. Geriatric Mayfly

    Do cats, dogs and cockroaches also do maths and science?

    Cicadas have mastered prime numbers. Some species only emerge, after spending time underground as larvae, which could be 3, 5, or 7 years.

  27. DrBeauGan

    I don’t know what a soul is, specifically how you know when you see, hear, touch or smell one. So I have no way of telling whether dogs, cats or cockroaches have them. Or plants. Or me. I’ll start believing in them when someone tells me what I have to do to detect them.

    I didn’t find DBs definition helpful. I think you have to be into Plato’s theory of forms to know what he’s on about, and I think Plato wrote far too much, most of it tosh. Aristotle’s metaphysics is a follow on. I’m with Egg on this, I don’t think this sort of philosophy gets anyone anywhere. It’s a weird game that some people enjoy but I see it as sterile and silly.

    DB has declared that to say it is a silly game is to play it, and you need to be a really good player before any of the other players will let you in the club and play with you. To which I reply: 🌋, which is the emoji for a loud farting noise.

  28. zyconoclast

    The DACA agenda is fueling MS-13, drug cartels, and Hezbollah

    MS-13 and the drug cartels bring in Central American youths

    As we’ve explained before, it’s no mystery why both the drug and gang crises took off after the 2013-2015 surge of teenage boys coming over the border. The boys served as drug mules and new gang recruits, empowering the drug cartels and the gangs with a politically protected supply of new recruits. The cartels understand that our political culture sympathizes with “children” and will treat them leniently. Sadly, there is no sympathy for the communities in northern Virginian that are devastated by the gang recruitment.

    Border surge fuels Hezbollah trafficking and makes us vulnerable to Iran

    The misguided sympathy for amnesty for children and asylum for “family units” is not only a fiscal drain on this country and the foundation of our drug and gang problem. It also provides Hezbollah and the drug cartels that work together with the perfect opportunity to smuggle in high-value Middle Eastern operatives. Now that we have decided to allow in thousands of bogus asylum-seekers, the cartels have the perfect diversion through which to sneak in what the intelligence community calls Special Interest Aliens (SIAs).

  29. Myrddin Seren

    Hamas official Salah Al-Bardawil admitted that 50 of 62 killed in this week’s riots belonged to his terrorist organization,

    and probably some of the other males killed were Islamic Jihad or similar.

    But the real point to me of the linked video is, for an oppressed people, the Hamas guy and the TV Palliwood guy are big units – the TV guy clearly has never seen the inside of a gym in his life. If the leadership is anything to go by – the biggest threat to the Palestinians is diabetes and arteriosclerosis.

  30. herodotus

    So when pictures of alleged Syrian government chemical attacks. Bolt calls it true.
    When pictures of baby dying of alleged Israeli tear gas attack. Bolt says its fake.

    Your point is?

  31. zyconoclast

    Outdated wedding traditions are tossed aside as couples choose to celebrate their way

    Outdated like
    The bride and groom a relatively inexperienced in the sideways samba.
    Both sets of parents of the bride and groom are still married and functioning and civilised.
    The intention is to have children.
    The intention of not getting divorced.

  32. zyconoclast

    I forgot to mention:
    The people getting married are actually a man and a woman.

  33. cynical1

    Hamas official Salah Al-Bardawil admitted that 50 of 62 killed in this week’s riots belonged to his terrorist organization,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if thirty or so were resurrected after the cameras left.

    The horror of the Jenin massacre V 2.0.

    All we need is a rusty ambulance that has been nuked by Israel.

    Anyone know if Mrs Arafat still resides in Paris?

  34. DrBeauGan

    I developed a grudging respect for them. I saw one once diving into an open bin, throw out a paper bag that landed on the ground. It then flew out of the bin and began munching on discarded Macca fries. That’s some serious level of problem solving.

    Even more amazing, they are making deep metaphysical assumptions about being in a universe that has places in it and things. Macca fries merely one type of thing, and the macca bag being a place. Ask DB about how they manage it.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyone know if Mrs Arafat still resides in Paris?

    Last heard of, living with her daughter in Malta, IIRC.

  36. Who am I speaking to – a thirty something academic?

    DB, what I maybe is superfluous.

    Where is the discrepancy?

    As I said earlier, being able to ‘size up quarry’ is not the same as having the concept of quantity. It is something else.

  37. Entropy

    I have a grudging respect for them. They were impossible to kill with a slug gun. We tried like crazy to get one, but the slug never seem to get through the hide.

    I got one once with an old .22 bolt action Remington.
    The mongrel had been raiding the chook pen, so was always full of eggs. But just to walk outside with say, a broomstick would be enough for him to take off at high speed. So it took a lot of plannning and patience. I lay on the kitchen floor with the back door open, and waited one morning. He flew into the chook pen, had a feed, then flew out to the old dead tree at the bottom of the horse paddock. About two hundred feet. Just wonderful watching his carcase drop untidily down to the grass. I bragged about it for months.
    I also strung it up near the chook pen as a warning to other crows.

    Another time up near Georgetown I was driving a hire car and hit a crow that had stuffed itself on a roadkill calf. It had eaten so much it had trouble taking off. It got wedged under the commodore’s bonnet. The carrion smell was absolutely unbelievable, and it got on my hands when I pried him out so they stunk for the rest of the trip into town. Disgusting. I thought those hands would n’ere be clean.

  38. zyconoclast

    Physically Active Jobs vs Leisure-Time Exercise

    A review of 17 studies, covering almost 200,000 people, found that men who work at the most physically active jobs have an 18 percent higher risk of premature death compared to people with less physically-demanding jobs (British J of Sports Medicine, May 14, 2018). Most of the studies in the review tried to correct for life-shortening habits such as smoking or drinking alcohol. The increased risk of dying for men with physically demanding jobs remained even for men who also exercised outside of work. The authors did not find that women who had to keep moving at work had shortened life spans, probably because work-related physical activity for women is usually not as demanding as it is for men.

    In the early 1950s, The London Bus Drivers’ study showed that bus conductors who had to walk up and down two-story buses to collect fares lived longer and suffered fewer heart attacks than the bus drivers who sat in one place all day long (Lancet, 1953;265:1111–20). This was a strong and respected study because the drivers and fare collectors came from the same families and neighborhoods and had the same habits, income, educational levels and backgrounds. However, the men who collected the fares could sit down and rest after every stop to recover from their physical activity. They were certainly more active than the drivers, but their jobs were not nearly as physically demanding as the work of manual laborers such as road and construction workers, who often have to keep on pushing themselves even when they are exhausted. Other studies have shown that jobs that require hard physical work increase risk for heart attacks (Br J Sports Med, 2018;52), absence from work due to illness (Br J Sports Med, 2012;46:291–50), and premature death (Occup Environ Med, 2015;72:617–24).

    This new data certainly does not mean that physical activity shortens lives. The literature overwhelmingly shows that exercise prolongs lives and that most people do not get the recommended minimum of 150 minutes of exercise each week. Lack of exercise has been shown to raise blood pressure, sugar and cholesterol to increase risk for obesity, diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, some types of cancers and other causes of premature death.

    Why The Difference?
    There is a huge difference between exercising at work and exercising by choice. For example, people who work in physically demanding jobs are generally:
    • Tired when they come home. Physical laborers are far less likely to have an exercise program and have been shown to be fairly inactive during their leisure time (BMJ Open, 2013;3:e002690). When you have to haul heavy objects, operate machinery or mine coal, you have to keep moving all the time at work. On the other hand, when you exercise by choice, you can take breaks when you feel the need. Most people with physically demanding jobs are so tired when they leave work that they have to rest to recover and prepare for their next day of hard work, so they do not participate in pleasurable leisure exercise.
    • At a lower educational level and therefore are less likely to understand the benefits of healthful lifestyle choices. They are at increased risk for following an unhealthful diet, full of junk foods and low in vegetables, fruits, nuts and other seeds; and using tobacco products, alcohol and recreational drugs.

    Why Recreational Exercise is More Healthful than Physical Labor
    Work that requires heavy physical activity forces you to work hard every day and does not allow you to recover adequately from each day’s work. All serious exercisers usually learn sooner or later that the benefits of exercise depend on a “stress and recover” program. To make a muscle stronger, you have to exercise intensely enough to feel the burn in your muscles. That means that you have damaged the muscle fibers at their Z-lines. Your muscles feel sore on the next day, so, you have to exercise at reduced intensity or take a day off. Otherwise you will tear a muscle or tendon and then have to wait a while for it to heal. Exercise done intelligently follows a sequence of moving more intensely on one day and then recovering for as many days as it takes for muscles to heal.

    Exercise helps to prevent heart attacks by growing new blood vessels, increasing your VO2max (the maximal ability to take in and use oxygen), and stabilizing plaques. You do that by exercising to the point of becoming short of breath and feeling a burning in your muscles on one day, and then recovering on the next.

    My Recommendations
    Studies on the subject overwhelmingly show that everyone, particularly people who have sedentary jobs, should have an exercise program to help prevent disease and prolong life.
    • If you work in a physically demanding job, learn how to pace yourself. When you are tired or feel burning in your muscles, slow down or take a break if you can. Then you may not feel too tired to exercise when you are not working.
    • Exercisers should set up their programs so they eventually work up to the point where they can exercise to the start of a muscle burn or shortness of breath, slow down until they are fully recovered, and then pick up the pace again. When their muscles start to feel heavy or tight, they should stop their workout. On the next day, they should go at very low intensity or take the day off.

  39. Atoms for Peace

    We used to drop the insect screens at the farm and use a slug gun from the bedroom. Getting the bastards on the road was 140 km/hr plus

  40. DrBeauGan

    I also strung it up near the chook pen as a warning to other crows.

    Probably put a dent in its soul, then.

  41. Farmer Gez

    Killing a crow Entropy!
    Native and protected. You’d be guaranteed prison time in Vicco for that. Bashing or running over paramedics is a safer hobby.

  42. Arky

    Watching the Ken Burns Probibition doco.
    All down to woman apparently.
    These interferring loud- mouthed harpies are not just a modern phenomenon.
    My God, looking at some of their hideous faces makes me want to go back to the booze.
    At the very beginning temperance societies were just men gathering together and pledging to lay off it a bit.
    Then some bird got pissed off they wouldn’t let her talk at one of their meetings and voila! Fucking chaos.
    Alcohol prohibited, gangsters, bootlegging, murder.
    Every era in history has to make the decision how to deal with the vast majority of women, who are quite mad.
    Giving them any say whatsoever over anything outside their own kitchens is societal suicide.

  43. Entropy

    Yeeees. Strung up upside down by its feet. On a pole with a crossbar on the top. Dad called it St Peter.

  44. Oh come on

    Why Recreational Exercise is More Healthful than Physical Labor
    Work that requires heavy physical activity forces you to work hard every day and does not allow you to recover adequately from each day’s work.

    Sorry but my own experience – and I suspect that of others – suggests that if you want a bloke to do a job requiring strength, you go with the guy who’s become strong due to his work rather than the guy who’s become strong due to his workout regime. The gym sculpted body is surprisingly much less useful than you’d think it would be in such scenarios.

  45. Oh come on

    Arky’s going MGTOW.

  46. Armadillo

    OT. Music is the ultimate answer to any messaging. Hollywood can afford to produce a $300 million movie over 120 minutes to get a message across. Plenty of cash burnt on those adventures.

    A kid in a garage with a guitar and a bit of talent can achieve the same effect in 3 minutes. The military have known this for years. The mullahs in 1979 banned it exactly for that reason.

  47. Entropy

    I had a crow visiting our backyard every morning about five o’clock. He would park himself in the foxtail palm and caw out its territory. Really was giving me the shits.
    I waited inside the backdoor one morning with a Shanghai and some mince on the lawn. Sure enough he dropped down to give it a look and I actually hit him with a plastic pellet. I am not sure which of the two of us was more amazed. He took off and from then on started his morning territory claim far enough away it didn’t wake me anymore.

  48. Arky

    Oh my God!
    Now they are telling about this crazy woman whose husband had drunk himself to death (one look at her photo tells you he had a lucky escape) and how she went from tavern to tavern attacking the poor barmen and smashing the places up.
    Legislators respond not by stringing up this menace to society, but by closing down the taverns!

  49. Myrddin Seren

    US Marines restructuring for 21st Century battlefield.

    The service will also add more automatic weapons, drones and all-terrain vehicles, while improving night optics, grenade launchers and shoulder-fired rockets.

    The Marines will also immediately begin distributing quadcopter drones to every squad. Platoons will gain a drone operator, and rifle companies will get a counter-drone section of five Marines.

    Each rifle company will gain an operations/intelligence section, a logistics cell and small arms repair, the statement said. Marine battalions will add an information management officer and an information environment operations officer and chief to integrate “information warfare capabilities.”

    Each infantry battalion will gain a forward air controller, which means each rifle company will have one assigned.

    The systems were on full display during last summer’s Talisman Saber drills in Australia.

    In addition, following Talisman Sabre, the Marines complimented the ADF on their rainbow diversity marching band and choir , who welcomed all LGBTQIZ Fighting Leathernecks to the Exercise.

    Said a Marine Corps spokesperson:

    The Aussies provided a challenging and unexpected opponent in their Task Force Priscilla. If we ever come up against an army of feisty lesbians, transgender soldiers and overweight clerks – we will be ready to face them.

    Caution – there may be some #AlmostFakeNews in the above.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    WA Darling Range by-election set for June

    Australian Associated Press
    5:30PM May 17, 2018

    The Darling Range by-election, triggered by the resignation of disgraced West Australian Labor-turned-independent state MP Barry Urban, will be held on June 23.

    Speaker Peter Watson told parliament on Thursday he intended to issue a writ on Tuesday directing the electoral commissioner to conduct a by-election, with the last day for candidate nominations on June 1.

    Mr Urban quit parliament last week moments after an inquiry made the unprecedented recommendation he be expelled for committing a “gross and aggravated contempt of parliament” by lying about his education and work history, even providing a forged university degree.

    Darling Range was a safe Liberal seat for decades before Mr Urban won with a 5.8 per cent margin in March last year.

    The Liberals will be hoping to regain the seat, choosing to focus efforts on the seat over federal by-elections.

    From the Oz.

  51. Stimpson J. Cat

    Even more amazing, they are making deep metaphysical assumptions about being in a universe that has places in it and things. Macca fries merely one type of thing, and the macca bag being a place. Ask DB about how they manage it.

    Just watch the doco A Murder of Crows.
    Crows have funerals as well.
    They can also recognize and remember specific human faces.
    And they can also use tools.

  52. MsDolittle

    And they can also use tools.

    Crows being leftWING.

  53. DrBeauGan

    There was a celebrated early twentieth century guru, Gurdjieff I think. I read about him advising his acolytes: they should practise being conscious of the world. This was the first level. Then they should be conscious of themselves, which was the second level. Then they should be conscious of themselves being conscious of the world. This was the third level. Then they should be conscious of themselves being conscious of being conscious of themselves being conscious of themselves and the world. The real masters could get up to twelve levels.

    I was young enough to wonder if this was profound, so I read on.

    One of the acolyte’s husband asked : ” If you were doing all this stuff while crossing the road, would you be more likely or less likely to get run over?”

    Gurdjieff gave what must have been a strained laugh and said “Oh, much less likely.”

    I don’t expect anyone believed him.

    Bless that bloke who asked the question. It helped me develop a healthy scepticism and an ability to recognise tosh, or intellectual bullshit.

  54. Armadillo

    Just watch the doco A Murder of Crows. Crows have funerals as well.
    They can also recognize and remember specific human faces. And they can also use tools

    I was unwilling to believe you Stimpy. But your last sentence convinced me beyond reasonable doubt.

  55. Arky

    These prohibitionists were the progressives of their day.
    The only way to defeat them was to let everyone see how dumb their beliefs were, by completely implementing them.
    Only after it becomes bleeding obvious it doesn’t work are they done.
    Gad.
    They are doing the same thing with smokes now.
    And so much more.

  56. JC

    JC, the Miami Vice birds are flamingos, not pink pelicans. LOL.

    Same difference 🙂

  57. Arky

    The prohibitionist shitstirrers were also pivotal in bringing in income taxes, to replace taxes on alcohol as a source of federal govenment revenues, thereby making prohibition more likely at a federal level.

  58. Armadillo

    #crowconspiracy#stimpyisonthepayroll

  59. Stimpson J. Cat

    Look just watch the doco.
    It’s very educational.

  60. DrBeauGan

    Arky
    #2713251, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:13 pm
    These prohibitionists were the progressives of their day.
    The only way to defeat them was to let everyone see how dumb their beliefs were, by completely implementing them.
    Only after it becomes bleeding obvious it doesn’t work are they done.
    Gad.
    They are doing the same thing with smokes now.
    And so much more.

    It goes through cycles, Arky. There have been attempts to ban smoking tobacco every couple of generations since King James, he of the Bible. It sort of works until a lot of people notice that smokers are much better company than clearly neurotic prohibitionists. Same for drinkers.

  61. I don’t know what a soul is, specifically how you know when you see, hear, touch or smell one. So I have no way of telling whether dogs, cats or cockroaches have them. Or plants. Or me. I’ll start believing in them when someone tells me what I have to do to detect them.

    Amazingly, you seem to know what the concept number is and yet it is something you cannot see, hear, touch, or smell. Further, the implication that something that cannot be sensed cannot be real is not itself a scientific conclusion but a metaphysical statement that requires a defense.

    I didn’t find DBs definition helpful. I think you have to be into Plato’s theory of forms to know what he’s on about, and I think Plato wrote far too much, most of it tosh. Aristotle’s metaphysics is a follow on. I’m with Egg on this, I don’t think this sort of philosophy gets anyone anywhere. It’s a weird game that some people enjoy but I see it as sterile and silly.

    Happily, it isn’t a requirement that a definition must be ‘helpful’ to DrBeauGan. Nevertheless, the idea of soul does begin first in the senses, it is the difference between a living thing and its remains. Further, no one actually familiar with both Plato and Aristotle would say that Aristotle ‘follows on’ from Plato given that the former rejects the latter on crucial points.

    DB has declared that to say it is a silly game is to play it, and you need to be a really good player before any of the other players will let you in the club and play with you. To which I reply: 🌋, which is the emoji for a loud farting noise.

    I’ve never said any such thing beyond your declaration itself involving unexamined philosophical assumptions.

  62. Armadillo

    Look just watch the doco.

    Nope. Bad as CL (possibly worse). I’m likely to be watching a video of Hillary dancing with Juliar.

  63. H B Bear

    Be interesting to see how the WA Lieborals go now that egomanic d1ckhead Emperor Barney has been dumped. Can’t imagine the punters are too pleased being played for idiots by the lying Liars liar.

  64. None

    So Land Rover Australia the bunch of pansies have taken their sponsored car away from Izzy Folau because he answered a question on Instagram ( I’m betting it was from a member of the gay left). Yep there are a bunch of bigots over at Land Rover Australia and I bet they were just flooded with Lefty twitterati who would never be able to afford one of their cars anyway. So now in Australia you suffer economic and social sanction for holding a simple belief. Well done my fascist Homeland /sarc. I’m so ashamed of you.

  65. Armadillo

    Same difference

    Doves are only albino pigeons. Doves = nice. Pigeons = pest.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Be interesting to see how the WA Lieborals go now that egomanic d1ckhead Emperor Barney has been dumped. Can’t imagine the punters are too pleased being played for idiots by the lying Liars liar.

    Be interesting to see how they get on, in what was a safe Liberal seat.

  67. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I don’t know what a soul is, specifically how you know when you see, hear, touch or smell one. So I have no way of telling whether dogs, cats or cockroaches have them. Or plants. Or me. I’ll start believing in them when someone tells me what I have to do to detect them.

    Amazingly, you seem to know what the concept number is and yet it is something you cannot see, hear, touch, or smell. Further, the implication that something that cannot be sensed cannot be real is not itself a scientific conclusion but a metaphysical statement that requires a defense.

    number is just a description of what can be sensed. the sophistry just doesn’t stop.

  68. calli

    Calli, it even applies when the words AND and NOT are absent, for instance, when someone says, Your pants are on fire.

    Lol. If someone told me my pants were on fire I would, in this order:

    Check. I may have sat on a tealight.

    If untrue, assume they were lying/teasing and ingnore them, or

    Clip them over the ears for sneakily accusing me of telling lies.

  69. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Nevertheless, the idea of soul does begin first in the senses, it is the difference between a living thing and its remains.

    the only difference between a living thing and its remains is a rearrangement of its atoms and molecules such that it is no longer functioning. Its like saying a computer that is broken has lost its soul. nothing in the computer went away. it’s simply not a pattern that works.

  70. Armadillo

    Calli didn’t mention bringing out the Kartcher. I suspect she’s been kidnapped.

  71. calli

    shekels

    I love that word. We should call our money shekels. Wonderful word that instantly conjures images of the old, old world well before the curse that is islam.

    I’ve been doing a lot of shekeling lately.

    My soon-to-be SIL told the Beloved that he had to pay a dowry for our smallest fry in either shekels or sheep. The Beloved believed him for a couple of days, and was toying with the logistics of bringing some lambs to the reception.

    He was finally put out of his misery. Good times.

  72. DrBeauGan

    Amazingly, you seem to know what the concept number is and yet it is something you cannot see, hear, touch, or smell.

    I dunno what a corncept is. I know what a number is. It’s a bit of language, useful for counting things. Or maybe measuring things, depending on the type of number. I deal with representations of them which I can see. Like 4,3,7 and so on. Mostly, what people do is write down the representations and learn how to do the sums with the representations. They don’t need to know what numbers are, only how to use them, and they do that with representations. Which they can see.

    If you are of a philosophical disposition and want to know what the number zero really is, you can find out in a second year Maths class. It’s another name for the empty set. Most people don’t know this, and wouldn’t much care. As long as they can count the money in their wallets or purses, they figure they’ve got numbers under control.

    Of course, if souls are just bits of language, I’d like to know what the usual representation by symbols is and how you do the manipulations.

  73. Armadillo

    Anyone know Arabic? It could be a long night.

  74. All this time and blather and you still don’t understand Trump.

    Snoop, Johnson’s character is defined by a search for redemption to cure his conscience of the massive shame over his inadvertent war crime. Trump has no shame. They are nothing alike.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My soon-to-be SIL told the Beloved that he had to pay a dowry for our smallest fry in either shekels or sheep. The Beloved believed him for a couple of days, and was toying with the logistics of bringing some lambs to the reception.

    There was an immigrant family here, in the Wild West, who applied to the Bank for an extension of their overdraft. Their eldest daughter was getting married, and she would need a dowry. She was a lady, charitably described as “plain”, and would need a sizable dowry..

  76. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2713272, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm
    Calli, it even applies when the words AND and NOT are absent, for instance, when someone says, Your pants are on fire.

    Lol. If someone told me my pants were on fire I would, in this order:

    Check. I may have sat on a tealight.

    If untrue, assume they were lying/teasing and ingnore them, or

    Clip them over the ears for sneakily accusing me of telling lies.

    Get DB to explain where the law of non-contradiction comes in. Buggered if I know.

  77. calli

    Travel update – Emirates lounge, Bangkers. Refuelling and cleaning. The plane, not us.

  78. Armadillo

    Trump has no shame

    Ideally suited to enter the swamp and start the slaughter. It’s why we like him.

  79. Leo G

    There’s a movie there; what a pity the Marx brothers are dead.

    Monkey Business lives on- an absurd plot involving improbable gangsters.

  80. DrBeauGan

    Why isn’t there a fart emoji? The closest thing on my phone is the erupting volcano.

  81. 132andBush

    Sorry but my own experience – and I suspect that of others – suggests that if you want a bloke to do a job requiring strength, you go with the guy who’s become strong due to his work rather than the guy who’s become strong due to his workout regime. The gym sculpted body is surprisingly much less useful than you’d think it would be in such scenarios.

    Army PTI’s will tell you the same thing.
    Gym doesn’t give you raw stamina either. That is mostly a mental thing honed with experience.

  82. Infidel Tiger

    The demented Liberal Party are now claiming solar and wind are cheaper than coal.

    We are so rooted.

  83. calli

    Try combinations of these:
    💩💣😖🤢🐪🎉📣📢

  84. DrBeauGan

    Well it was in the top left corner.

  85. Armadillo

    Travel update – Emirates lounge, Bangkers. Refuelling and cleaning. The plane, not us.

    Dreaming of a pie, a decent steak or meat and three vege. Plus your own bed.

    Bad news is that Somalis have probably ransacked your joint.

  86. cohenite

    the only difference between a living thing and its remains is a rearrangement of its atoms and molecules such that it is no longer functioning. Its like saying a computer that is broken has lost its soul. nothing in the computer went away. it’s simply not a pattern that works.

    Which is the premise of the FLY:

  87. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Calli. There are a number on the web but I don’t want to actually install them on my phone. I wouldn’t say I am the fastidious type in general, but I have limits.

  88. H B Bear

    Be interesting to see how they get on, in what was a safe Liberal seat.

    The only WA Lieborals that have done any media are Nahan and the bald guy, neither of whom inspire even the remotest confidence. I doubt anyone can even name a State Lieboral left after the Emperor Barney massacre.

  89. Eyrie

    “Old ground, but weren’t the last moments of MH370 consistent with it running out of fuel and gently gliding into the ocean?”
    Yep, trimmed for cruise at around 250knots IAS, wings level flaps up. The FMC will do that even on one engine then the RAT deploys even when the APU has run out of fuel and it still flys wings level at trimmed speed until it hit the water. Hits fairly hard but in level attitude but at over 1000 feet/min rate of descent. Enough to break it up but not into a million small pieces.
    Be interesting when it is found. I’m betting on a hole in the side under the cockpit. How embarrassing for the murder/suicide theory.

  90. max

    Some say love’s a little boy,
    And some say it’s a bird,
    Some say it makes the world go round,
    Some say that’s absurd,
    And when I asked the man next door,
    Who looked as if he knew,
    His wife got very cross indeed,
    And said it wouldn’t do.

    Does it look like a pair of pyjamas,
    Or the ham in a temperance hotel?
    Does its odour remind one of llamas,
    Or has it a comforting smell?
    Is it prickly to touch as a hedge is,
    Or soft as eiderdown fluff?
    Is it sharp or quite smooth at the edges?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    Our history books refer to it
    In cryptic little notes,
    It’s quite a common topic on
    The Transatlantic boats;
    I’ve found the subject mentioned in
    Accounts of suicides,
    And even seen it scribbled on
    The backs of railway guides.

    Does it howl like a hungry Alsatian,
    Or boom like a military band?
    Could one give a first-rate imitation
    On a saw or a Steinway Grand?
    Is its singing at parties a riot?
    Does it only like Classical stuff?
    Will it stop when one wants to be quiet?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    I looked inside the summer-house;
    It wasn’t even there;
    I tried the Thames at Maidenhead,
    And Brighton’s bracing air.
    I don’t know what the blackbird sang,
    Or what the tulip said;
    But it wasn’t in the chicken-run,
    Or underneath the bed.

    Can it pull extraordinary faces?
    Is it usually sick on a swing?
    Does it spend all its time at the races,
    or fiddling with pieces of string?
    Has it views of its own about money?
    Does it think Patriotism enough?
    Are its stories vulgar but funny?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    When it comes, will it come without warning
    Just as I’m picking my nose?
    Will it knock on my door in the morning,
    Or tread in the bus on my toes?
    Will it come like a change in the weather?
    Will its greeting be courteous or rough?
    Will it alter my life altogether?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    WH Auden

  91. Dave in Marybrook

    Oh pick me Hairy!
    Libby Mettam.
    What do I win?

  92. C.L.

    Trump is online:

    Donald J. [email protected]

    Congratulations America, we are now into the second year of the greatest Witch Hunt in American History…and there is still No Collusion and No Obstruction. The only Collusion was that done by Democrats who were unable to win an Election despite the spending of far more money!

    ———————————

    Donald J. [email protected]

    Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN IMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!

    Yep and yep.

  93. Armadillo

    Enough to break it up but not into a million small pieces.

    Not good timing considering Calli’s imminent departure.

    However, a question from the ignorant. I realise smashing into a landmass is probably comparable to smashing into the ocean from a great height. But wouldn’t smashing into an ocean rather than a mountainside be better? Like no flames and stuff? In a “fire meets water” sense.

    A “million pieces” seems excessive. Depending on the angle, you might have a chance if you pay attention to the nice lady doing the hand signal stuff.

    Asking for a friend.

  94. JC

    Cl

    Trump knows about all the nooks and crannies because the informant told him what was going on.

    He’s playing it smart by not divulging what he knew went on.

    Langdale is right about this.
    The new head of the FBI would also tell him .

  95. Armadillo

    Calli, check out the air crew. Google is your friend.

  96. Oh come on

    Snoop, Johnson’s character is defined by a search for redemption to cure his conscience of the massive shame over his inadvertent war crime.

    LOL m0nty is mainlining the flawed leftist hero narrative.

    Someone make a movie about this shit and cast Tom Hanks as LBJ.

  97. Armadillo

    IT’s advice is sound. Find out if the can speak English and use a knife and fork.

  98. Oh come on

    Andrew McCarthy is one of the few journalists remaining in the US. He’s doing yeoman’s work.

  99. Mark A

    Armadillo
    #2713306, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:38 pm

    Not good timing considering Calli’s imminent departure.

    However, a question from the ignorant. I realise smashing into a landmass is probably comparable to smashing into the ocean from a great height. But wouldn’t smashing into an ocean rather than a mountainside be better? Like no flames and stuff? In a “fire meets water” sense.

    No and no.
    Water is a harder surface to hit at great speed. In case of fire the water has to get to it somehow to be effective.

    You can land on water if there is a pilot and knows his stuff. Latest on the Hudson a little while back.

  100. Oh come on

    That’d be good. Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump showing his butt to Tom Hanks as LBJ. Do it, Hollywood. You know you want to.

  101. JC

    Just a hunch and thinking out loud, but I reckon this is one his most important tweets of his presidency.

    Donald J. [email protected]

    Congratulations America, we are now into the second year of the greatest Witch Hunt in American History…and there is still No Collusion and No Obstruction. The only Collusion was that done by Democrats who were unable to win an Election despite the spending of far more money!

    It’s the first time Trump has pointed the finger at the D’rats. Before this is over, The Kenyan, Brennan and Comey are going to be in very serious trouble and the D’rats could be in more trouble than they realize. The October surprise for the mid terms could be that D’rats right up to the Kenyan were up to their neck in spying on Trump’s campaign.

    The outside point I’ve read today is that Mueller could end up fingering the D’rats something awful.

  102. Leigh Lowe

    Large airliners have a preference for runways.

  103. JC

    Andrew McCarthy is one of the few journalists remaining in the US. He’s doing yeoman’s work.

    He’s just great. He treats all his topics like they were a legal brief.

  104. Steve trickler.

    Dedicated to all the wankers out there.

    You could have a field day adding your own lines to this song.

    Why?

    Whyyyyyy…..



  105. Armadillo

    this is bigger than Watergate!

    mOnts will claim this is a victory. Correct prediction. Oh wait……wrong side of history.

  106. JC

    Monster keeps referring to this collusion thing resembling Watergate. I reckon he’s right for the wrong reasons and I also think he’s understating it. It could end up being bigger than Watergate… against the D’rats.

    Langdale is right. Brennan had Rich killed too. He’s the only one who demonstrates political extremism and a terrible temper.

  107. DrBeauGan

    Thank you Mark A. I’d found that, but had reservations about downloading them.

  108. JC

    Arma

    The Kenyan and the entire US intel apparatus had perhaps even two informants inside the Trump campaign. This is bigger than Watergate.

    Crooked spent 3 to 4 times Trump did and they were literally listening in to every sound made inside the campaign.

    And the Crooked the loser still lost.

    It is bigger than fucking Watergate.

  109. Armadillo

    No and no.

    Aptly describes your sense of humour. Flight engineer?

  110. JC

    Look at this:

    Sean Davis
    ‏Verified account @seanmdav
    58m58 minutes ago

    Rand Paul wants Gina Haspel to disclose whether the CIA spied on any presidential candidates in 2016. The specificity of his questions suggests he wasn’t asking for no reason.

    This asking the question because now everyone in Washington knows the answer. It’s also a direct ping at Brennan.

    Brennan is going to jail.

  111. Fat Tony

    JC
    #2713320, posted on May 17, 2018 at 10:57 pm

    Langdale is right. Brennan had Rich killed too. He’s the only one who demonstrates political extremism and a terrible temper.

    There was a discussion earlier regarding Trump pardoning the various high level players.

    However, how will this play out if there are murders tied in? Would/should Trump pardon any of these high level shits if they had/murdered various people?

    My own opinion is no. To do so would really demonstrate one law for us and one law for them, and in the long run, this would be very damaging to the USA.

  112. JC

    Dan Bongino
    ‏Verified account @dbongino

    Make absolutely NO MISTAKE, today’s NY Times story on #CrossfireHurricane is a timed leak through the NY Times propaganda machine to head off the damaging information about to come out in the IG report. The NY Times is a disgrace, no better than Pravda.

    Sure is.

  113. Armadillo

    The Kenyan and the entire US intel apparatus had perhaps even two informants inside the Trump campaign. This is bigger than Watergate.

    mOnster has been scamming you for steak. It’s all been based on a lie. He also owes you for car repairs.

  114. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From None at 9:31 pm:

    “So Land Rover Australia the bunch of pansies have taken their sponsored car away from Izzy Folau because he answered a question on Instagram ( I’m betting it was from a member of the gay left). Yep there are a bunch of bigots over at Land Rover Australia and I bet they were just flooded with Lefty twitterati who would never be able to afford one of their cars anyway. So now in Australia you suffer economic and social sanction for holding a simple belief. Well done my fascist Homeland /sarc. I’m so ashamed of you.”

    From the Telegraph:

    “Controversial Wallabies star Israel Folau has reportedly had his sponsored car taken off him following comments made on social media about homosexuality.

    Car company Land Rover had given Folau a new vehicle after signing on to be Rugby Australia’s car sponsor but were apparently so upset by the star’s social media posts regarding the gay community, they seized the car according to the Daily Telegraph.”

    Gutless bastards.

    The bundle of sticks brigade surely have crafted a powerful lobby over the past couple of decades – nasty, bigoted, vindictive and ever so effective stand over tactics. Instinct, however, tells me Land Rover might have pulled the wrong rein here and added power to the young man’s arm.

    Nonetheless Israel is still winning – the article ends with:

    It’s said Folau still has his $500,000 Lamborghini, that he bought with his own money last year.”

  115. Leigh Lowe

    There was a discussion earlier regarding Trump pardoning the various high level players.

    If it comes to that Trump should offer to have a look at pardons sometime late in his second term.

  116. JC

    Tony Shaffer
    ‏Verified account @T_S_P_O_O_K_Y
    May 16

    John Brennan’s ‘Exceptionally Sensitive’ Issue – a great article outlining the massive abuse of power by @JohnBrennan and how is political hackery degraded CIA’s mission:

    The CIA acted as Crookeds opposition research outfit.

  117. Armadillo

    mOnts, time to fess up and hand over your Soros Nazi gold.

  118. Makka

    However, how will this play out if there are murders tied in? Would/should Trump pardon any of these high level shits if they had/murdered various people?

    Trump has to clean out the DOJ and FBI before any prosecutions can begin. There is also parts of the judiciary to be sorted. No small task. That’s the work Sessions is doing. By the time these traitors are charged, the rigged system will be nobbled so that it can’t protect them. Sessions is doing God’s work.

    I’m betting no pardons and plenty of new Gitmo residents. Trump is playing for keeps on this with no escapes.

  119. JC

    I just fucking bet he does.

    Obama Wants to Avoid Crossfire Between CIA and Senate

    President Barack Obama wants to stay out of the feud between the Senate Intelligence Committee and his own CIA.

    Roll Call

  120. Leigh Lowe

    And the Crooked the loser still lost.

    It is bigger than fucking Watergate.

    The Dems will look back in a few years and ask themselves …
    “Why didn’t we just tell the Clintons on November 10th 2016 that it was over, to go quietly into the night (or the speaking circuit).
    Fuck, a few nobodies like Strzok, Page, Comey and co would have gone down as misguided loyalists acting without the knowledge and complicity of the party.
    But now we’re fucked.”

  121. There’s probably no doubt

    Hahahaha.

  122. JC

    Trump has to clean out the DOJ and FBI before any prosecutions can begin.

    And the CIA.

    The only intel op that hasn’t been mentioned in all this is the NSA.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    JC at 11:11.
    I linked that one earlier.
    Great read.
    I can’t make my mind up about Brennan.
    Is he a sociopath or a psychopath?
    One thing is for sure.
    He has become more and more unhinged of late.

  124. JC

    Monster

    Ask yourself a question. Rand Paul is no Trump fan.

    If he’s asking that question of the CIA candidate then this thing is about to explode harder than an A-bomb. Paul knows the answer and he’s teasing the D’rats.

  125. Makka

    And the CIA.

    Absolutely, yes. That’s why Pompeo spent 13 months there. But that is a MUCH bigger challenge with lots of overseas connotations.

    The only intel op that hasn’t been mentioned in all this is the NSA.

    NSA and Military Intel have Trump’s back.

  126. Leigh Lowe

    The only intel op that hasn’t been mentioned in all this is the NSA

    There was a glancing reference in the article you linked, but only to suggest that Brennan was trying to put together the impression of a 9/11 type emergency to enable greater data-sharing between agencies (obviously just to get anything at all on Trump).
    But, yes, it doesn’t look like the NSA drank their Koolaid.

  127. Rand Paul got his arse kicked by his neighbour. Sad!

    JC, you are sounding more and more like USSR.

  128. JC

    Leigh

    Comey is too stupid to have figured out the DNC leaker. Comey is just a bumbling show pony dickhead. Brennan is a deep stater with what appears to be maliciousness about him. He’s both those things. Brennan would have found out who was leaking and Brennan had Rich killed.

    There’s also some stuff being talked about on Twitter a couple of weeks ago, that there was a missing handgun at the FBI. It would be really interesting if we had the ballistics of both the handgun and the bullet that killed Rich. Only Brennan would be conniving enough to try and finger the FBI/ keep it right away from the CIA.

    Look, I’m just talking out loud, but there’s some serious shit going on in Washington at the moment.

  129. Fat Tony

    Makka
    #2713339, posted on May 17, 2018 at 11:18 pm

    NSA and Military Intel have Trump’s back.

    Someone effective better have Trump’s back – the way this is going, there’s sure to be an assassination attempt or 2 on him and/or his family. These bastards are getting cornered and will have nothing to lose.

  130. JC

    Rand Paul got his arse kicked by his neighbour. Sad!

    Yea, which has everything to do with collushion.

    JC, you are sounding more and more like USSR.

    I am, am I? You’re the moron whose been asserting Watergate for the past year. All I’m doing is agreeing with you that not only does it look like Watergate, but it could be bigger in reverse. 🙂

  131. Fat Tony

    m0nty – maaate – at your age, you shouldn’t believe in fairy tales. 🙁

  132. Leigh Lowe

    Look, I’m just talking out loud, but there’s some serious shit going on in Washington at the moment.

    And none of it involving any impeachable “crimes and misdemeanors” by The Donald.

  133. JC

    JC, you are sounding more and more like USSR.

    I’ll say one thing about USSR and the pizza gate stuff she was leaning on all through 2015/16 like rabid American bull terrier with teeth slashing at any exposed flesh.

    She was thrashing around the beginnings of the #Metoo scandal with every single one of those fingered has been a D’ratter and the most famous very close to Crooked and her rapist husband.

  134. JC, you are supping from the Kool-Aid put out by the #QAnon crowd. Those guys are brainless idiots, fooling themselves into turning “no puppet, no puppet, you’re the puppet” into their sole reason to live.

    I don’t know what mental gyrations that Republicans put themselves through to convince one another that Nixon wasn’t crooked, but I imagine it looked a lot like the Cat this evening.

  135. Armadillo

    The “timeline” in this entire embraglio has never made sense.

    Trump was never going to defeat Hillary. Ever. The bookmakers knew this. Not that I’m allowed to bet on political markets. Watching the Cat was intuitive. SRR and others were fanatical…..

    There’s your bone mOnts, go and chase it.

    And FFS, put your child on a harness. No one want to see a repeat of the Dearly Departed Doggie episode.

  136. JC

    Trump was never going to defeat Hillary. Ever. The bookmakers knew this. Not that I’m allowed to bet on political markets. Watching the Cat was intuitive. SRR and others were fanatical…..

    They didn’t bother to fix the ballot boxes because they thought there was no way Trump would win and why take the risk if there was zero chance. In other words Nate silver was Tump’s best supporter with his 99% chance crooked would win. That’s why they never went of the ballot boxes in a big way.

    I tell you what, if Trump hadn’t won, he would be facing 20 years in jail by now as they would have fixed him really good both for punishment and to warn anyone else away from Crooked.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    China doesn’t have a first world electricity system, or expectations. It’s a huge place. Sometimes it is quicker and cheaper to put in a wind farm that provides intermittent power than run a hundred kilometre distribution line connecting to coal/nuke baseload. So that’s what happens.

    The punters are allowed to whinge about the crap power supply. But the local Party is quick to point out the alternative.

    Do this 100 times over and, suddenly, it looks like they are true believers in renewables.

    Same here in Japan. Certain places and purposes are better served locally by the one acre solar panel farms that pop up here and there. Not supplying the baseload though.
    ———

    Ate a heap of unusual stuff at the hotel dining room buffet this evening. A taste of this and a taste of that, with not a clue what most of it was. One interesting taste turned out to be tempura’d (fried) ‘boiled fish paste’. Concluded with some perfumed lychee in a sort of aspic. Three little pieces of it in a really tiny tumbler, washed down by Sake with cherry blossom in the glass. Tummy now all a-jumble, digestive system in overdrive. Cast iron though, you didn’t survive my Sainted Mother’s cooking and come out with sensitive innards. Or my own cooking, come to think of it: I am an experimental cook myself. And what a joy it is to have someone else doing the cooking so experimentally and making it work.

  138. C.L.

    There are no “mental gyration” required. Daniel Ellsberg was a left-wing traitor and Nixon wanted to know if he was colluding with the Democrat Party (which he certainly was). Nixon was trying to win the Democrat-initiated Vietnam War at the time. Watergate was a pretty standard national security operation and entirely justified. Anyone who knows anything about the biographies of Kennedy and Johnson would know that they were two of the most corrupt, loathsome men ever to inhabit the Oval Office. Nixon was brighter than both of them combined.

  139. Oh come on

    Rand Paul got his arse kicked by his neighbour. Sad!

    No, that is sad, m0nty. Truly it is. If anyone still entertained the possibility that you weren’t an embarrassingly pathetic shill for the US Dems – for zero payoff whatsoever – they certainly don’t now.

    I believe there are times in some people’s lives when maybe they can take a step back and regard in horror what they have become. I hope for your sake that that is you.

    At present you joke about srr, but really you’re little different from him/her/it when the rubber hits the road. Sad, indeed. Very sad.

  140. JC

    Chuck Schumer, leader of the D’rat senate minority wants M3 gang members to come to the US.

    Chuck Schumer
    ‏Verified account @SenSchumer

    When all of our great-great-grandparents came to America they weren’t “animals,” and these people aren’t either.

    Ben Shapiro fucks him real good

    Ben Shapiro
    ‏Verified account @benshapiro
    26m26 minutes ago

    Ben Shapiro Retweeted Chuck Schumer

    My great-great-grandparents weren’t members of a violent and brutal gang responsible for widespread drug trafficking. Were yours?

    What a piece of shit.

  141. Infidel Tiger

    Trump was never going to defeat Hillary. Ever

    Until he did!

    Never forget Hillary didn’t campaign in Wisconsin once, but she spent time in Texas thinking she could win there! How stupid was she?

  142. Watergate was a pretty standard national security operation and entirely justified.

    LOL.

    Nixon was a drunkard, a crook and a traitor.

    On the other hand, he cussed like a sailor.

  143. JC

    Until he did!

    Never forget Hillary didn’t campaign in Wisconsin once, but she spent time in Texas thinking she could win there! How stupid was she?

    Dude, lets not carried away here. The only reason Trump won was because of godly intervention to prevent the most evil harridan in the world from the world’s biggest job. There was no way he’d let the devil’s bride enter the White House as prez. 🙂 God stuffed the ballot box and made it look like a fluke 🙂

    Do I sound like Annie?

  144. Armadillo

    They didn’t bother to fix the ballot boxes because they thought there was no way Trump would win and why take the risk if there was zero chance. In other words Nate silver was Tump’s best supporter with his 99% chance crooked would win

    Be interesting to look at the betting markets. You would reckon the FBI would focus on that. They haven’t said a word.

    Follow the money. But MOnty wouldn’t be interested in that. And I’m not just talking about bookmaker markets. A few might have done well out of a speculative bet. Well done.

    Timeline is critical. Who bet what, and when? That’s where I’d be searching.

  145. C.L.

    Revelations in the NYT that Obama illegally spied on the Trump campaign leave media … speechless:

    CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC Hide LARGEST POLITICAL SCANDAL IN US HISTORY from Front Page – Obama Spying on Trump Campaign.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    Nixon was a drunkard, a crook and a traitor.

    Obama was a crook and a traitor who smoked Virginia Slims Menthols.
    I’ll take Nixon all day long.

  147. JC

    From what I recall the betting markets were also going for the beast from Hades, by a very small margin.

    In a sense they weren’t terribly wrong as that election was really hard to call, but the sense was that the beast had an easier path to the White House than Trump did. When Penn, Ohio went his way, the beast began to bawl uncontrollably.

  148. JC

    CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC Hide LARGEST POLITICAL SCANDAL IN US HISTORY from Front Page – Obama Spying on Trump Campaign.

    It’s fucking huge. There’s no way the MSM will be able to lid this.

  149. Armadillo

    I believe there are times in some people’s lives when maybe they can take a step back and regard in horror what they have become. I hope for your sake that that is you.

    mOnts will be a rabid right winger by Christmas.

  150. Leigh Lowe

    When Penn, Ohio went his way, the beast began to bawl uncontrollably

    Threw a Magnum of Don (snork) Perignong NV through the screen of a Sony 65″ TV.
    Like breaking the glass ceiling … only different.
    Fuck, that was a top day.

  151. Makka

    Someone effective better have Trump’s back – the way this is going, there’s sure to be an assassination attempt or 2 on him and/or his family. These bastards are getting cornered and will have nothing to lose.

    The best of the US Military have Trump’s back. His biggest threat, as usual, is the CIA.

    And with the NK and Iran honeypots being closed down there will be plenty of pissed off CIA types out for blood. Just shows you the balls Trump has got taking on that bunch of corrupt murdering thugs.

  152. JC

    Notice a pattern. Every time something huge is about to hit the news (non MSM) about D’rat collusion in the election…….. a few days before there’s a sideline story being blown out by the MSM against Trump . The Cohen taking money from the Qataris story is a case in point.

  153. Armadillo

    From what I recall the betting markets were also going for the beast from Hades, by a very small margin.

    I recall “USSR” calling it early on at massive odds. All those Trump videos he was posting here. He was persistent. You were taking the piss out of him as a “Russian Bot” at the time. Muller is running out of “collusion” candidates. You might be next.

    Putin is small fry in the “collusion stakes” compared to JC. Tail Gunner won. And he disappeared.

    Take care.

  154. JC

    Yep, just how government works. Read about a scandal in the newspaper that you were supposed to regulate against and didn’t, then turn the screws after the fact and pretend you there as a player. Promise of even more oppression.

    ASIC chair James Shipton vows tougher action on bad corporate conduct

  155. Armadillo

    And with the NK and Iran honeypots being closed down there will be plenty of pissed off CIA types out for blood. Just shows you the balls Trump has got taking on that bunch of corrupt murdering thugs.

    Makka, the FIL saw the US cable “advising” the Shah to send the tanks and troops into the bazaar. The day after. History may well have been very different. What we are now living with is the consequences of 1979. Millions of deaths are a result, right to this very day. I’m not sure that snowball could have been stopped.

  156. Armadillo

    Calli has probably secured a parachute, wetsuit and 3 plastic knives. Just in case.

  157. Armadillo

    Either that or she’s still in the “check in”.

  158. BorisG

    There was a discussion earlier regarding Trump pardoning the various high level players.

    Aren’t you guys getting ahead of yourselves? it’s more likely Trump’s associates that will need pardons. if not POTUS himself.

  159. BorisG

    With N Korea Trump is finding the art of the deal is a little different with nukes than with real estate. especially when megaphone diplomacy is delegated to Bolton, who suggested that Lybian model would be great for Kim. strange that Kim did not like that. LOL

  160. Armadillo

    With N Korea Trump is finding the art of the deal is a little different with nukes than with real estate.

    He’s gone direct to the owner, not to the tenant.

  161. Armadillo

    Kim’s claim to fame is that he has never worked in his life. Best education in the world available to him. Best food available on the planet. A country that has adored him since his birth. He has a compliant media, and a submissive population. He’s a God with the power over life and death, and he’s witnessed plenty of that.

    I suspect that there is a massive “power struggle” going on in NK at the minute.

  162. Armadillo

    The “Generals” are winning at the moment.

  163. Bruce in WA

    Bright is 325 kms north east of Melbourne, on the Great Alpine Road which runs through Mt Hotham (50 kms from Bright) right through to Gippsland 230 kms away. We did that trip with our van several years ago. Scaredy cat that I am, I kept my eyes shut tight almost the entire way.

    Did the trip up through Hotham and then down to Bright on our bike (1150RT) about 5 years ago. In a raging storm. By the time we got to Bright the storm was past and the sun out. And my left forearm, wrist and fingers were nearly dead from the constant gear-changing all the way down. Never so glad to pull over and get off the bike as that day!

  164. Bruce in WA

    Crows used to sit in a dead tree on the farm we stayed at, about 50m out of rimfire range. We couldn’t even get close enough to scare them away.

    Until the day I took the .223 down and sent 55gr their way at >3000 fps and one disappeared in a cloud of feathers.

    They never came back after that.

  165. rickw

    https://twitter.com/_p4z_/status/996648794149326848

    The Pali’s are such a bunch of dumb losers, that being said, there’s not a single western journalist that they can’t con.

    Blood free white sheets on people that have been shot is another giveaway.

  166. rickw

    I believe there are times in some people’s lives when maybe they can take a step back and regard in horror what they have become. I hope for your sake that that is you.

    I would like to see a munty salvation from wrongology.

  167. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Brennan is going to jail.

    brennan doth protest too much

    a communist and a muslim, lock him up!

  168. rickw

    If anyone wants to give these scumbags a serve over removing Folau’s car:

    [email protected]

  169. Eyrie

    Guys, there wasn’t going to be a fire when MH370 hit the ground or water because IT RAN OUT OF FUEL.
    Assuming a glide angle of about 1:18 it hit the water wings level at trimmed 250knots IAS or so with a descent velocity of around 15 knots. No flare to near zero descent rate in the last few seconds as in the case of the ditching in the Hudson, where BTW they flared too early, ran out of energy and hit the water harder than necessary. They were lucky.
    15 knots down at 250 knots forward is a pretty hard arrival. The aircraft *will* break, at least into major chunks and cabin baggage fittings at least are likely to be released. This seems to fit with the debris found so far.
    The point is there are two main competing theories: either the pilot pulled off a murder/suicide (why???) and flew the aircraft as far as possible then ditched in a controlled fashion OR everyone was already dead or unconscious where the theory is it spiralled into the ocean after running out of fuel on autopilot.
    The other theory is a major cockpit technical fault causing crew to attempt diversion (explains left turn which disengages normal autopilot mode), crew loses consciousness due lack of emergency oxygen, aircraft regains level flight in first autopilot fallback mode which keeps the wings level and flying at roughly constant altitude only disturbed in heading by encounters with tops of cu-nims in ITCZ. Gets spat out of one finally on southerly heading, exits ITCZ and keeps going until out of fuel where the flight control system does its thing until it hits the water wings level. Everyone is long dead by this time. Depending on sea state the aircraft may cartwheel if one engine nacelle hits the water before the other.
    As the fuel burned off the aircraft would have cruise climbed to higher than normal altitude. The guys who reckon it is south of the searched area are possibly correct.

  170. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It later released a statement saying it might pull out of the summit with the US if the Trump administration insisted it gave up its nuclear weapons unilaterally.

    kimie has shot his load prematurely, this the china playbook. what a nork

  171. feelthebern

    The last time I heard Crossfire Hurricane was when I ate too many onions.

  172. Top Ender

    Interesting description of Alan Jones in court:

    Alan Jones holds court from witness box

    The Australian12:00AM May 18, 2018

    The Alan Jones show started at 10.02am when the man you don’t want to cross on talkback radio strode to the witness box. ­Businessman John Wagner sat in the front row of the public gallery, hanging on every word.

    Instead of presiding over the court of public opinion on his top-rating breakfast program, Jones was appearing in a court of law, the star turn in a defamation ­action that could rewrite the rec­ord books if the ­77-year-old broadcaster and his employer, Macquarie Media, go down.

    Mr Wagner and his brothers, Denis, Neill and Joe, are seeking an eye-­watering $4.8 million in damages over a series of broadcasts in which Jones blamed them for the deaths of 12 people in the 2011 flood disaster at Grantham, west of Brisbane, and suggested the rich-listed family had corruptly acquired approval to build a $1.25 billion airport outside their home town of Toowoomba.

    Cross-examined in the Queensland Supreme Court for nearly four hours by Sydney silk Tom Blackburn SC, for the Wagners, Jones insisted he had been justified in referring to the deaths at Grantham as “muni­cipal murder”, caused by the collapse during the flood of earthworks at a quarry operated by the Wagner family.

    “Municipal murder were the words used in a letter which I read honestly to my listeners, and it conveyed what those listeners and many across Australia were feeling, and I read it,” he said.

    “And I was trying to suggest, as I am continuing to suggest even here, that we still have no answers as to how 12 people died.”

    Mr Blackburn: “You called them murderers.”

    Jones: “I didn’t call them ­murderers.”

    Jones, who grew up on the nearby Darling Downs, took up the claims by some survivors that a “bund” bordering the Wagners’ quarry on Lockyer Creek collapsed at the height of the flood and unleashed the torrent, causing loss of life that otherwise would have been avoided in the devastated town.

    However, successive commissions of inquiry have found this was wrong.

    Digging in yesterday, the veteran broadcaster said of the Wagner brothers: “They built the bund, the bund collapsed, 12 ­people died. I think the evidence is in the deaths of 12 people who received no answer.”

    Jones accepted his criticism of the Wagners had been “savage” but, in one of a succession of fiery exchanges, ­rejected Mr Blackburn’s characterisation that he had been vicious towards them.

    “I’m saying my criticism has been accurate,” he insisted.

    “I won’t use the vicious — that’s your word, not mine.”

    The contrast of styles could not have been more stark. Jones, dressed in his trademark blazer and pink tie, spoke in rapid fire bursts, his face reddening as he took umbrage at the questioning. Mr Blackburn’s delivery was low key but needle sharp.

    Judge Peter Flanagan delivered the kind of advice to Jones that the broadcaster usually dishes out to prime ministers and premiers: “If you could answer the question directly, we’ll get on with this much faster,” he said.

    Jones said his on-air onslaught against the Wagners, run primarily from 2013 to until they sued for defamation in 2015, stemmed from his desire to ease the anguish of Grantham residents who believed the story of what had happened to them in the flood had been ignored and covered up.

    “What has disturbed me, which has led to these continuous broadcasts, is that the Wagners continually denied that the bund — the wall around the quarry — was man-made. They argued it was part of the natural landscape, for years and years and years,” Jones said.

    He said the Wagners’ stance “inflamed and angered” Grantham residents. “What they have said to me continuously is, it’s one thing to lose your house, it’s one thing to lose your possessions, but what is most hurtful is that we have lost the right to be believed.”

    Jones became emotional when recounting the death of 23-month-old baby Jessica Keep in the floods. Reaching for a glass of water, he said: “One of the reasons I have continued to try to get ­answers to this is that these people have no answers.”

    He was questioned by Mr Blackburn about whether he tried to put the allegations he broadcast against the Wagners to the family. The answer was no. Jones said this was because his producers had been told that brothers would not speak to him.

    Jones “regarded it as a palpable waste of time” making phone calls to “people who have said you are blackballed”. He told the court: “Now, that was not going to force me to remain silent about the Wagners … they were given a chance to come on to the program and they did not. Full stop.”

    The Wagner brothers — partners in the family’s multi-million-dollar construction, manufacturing and transport business — filled a corner of the public gallery with their wives and children. Their elderly parents, Henry and Mary, were also on hand for Jones’s evidence, marking the opening of the defence on day 13 of the marathon trial.

    John Wagner, sitting in front of the reserved area, was in Jones’s direct line of vision.

    The broadcaster is relying on a defence of fair comment and truth, telling Justice Flanagan: “I am quite prepared for the court to test the truth of what I have said.”

    However, on the advice of his legal team, he said he had dropped a defence of qualified privilege for all of the 32 broadcasts in question and of truth in respect of some claims, including that former deputy prime ministers Warren Truss and Barnaby Joyce had conspired with one of the Wagner brothers to “cover each other’s backs” when Justice Walter Sofronoff was appointed in 2015 to conduct his Grantham inquiry.

    Jones said he stood by what he had said on air, as this was consistent with the pattern of how “through everything (they) want to get their own way.”

    The cross-examination of Jones will continue today.

    Link

  173. Herodotus

    Breitbart London is carrying a report that the new muslim mayor of Sheffield (rumoured to have a problem rivalling that of Rotherham) will not propose any toasts to the queen, and thinks the monarchy is “out of date”.
    There’s a good follow-up question that this guy could be asked.
    “How about the caliphate, and sharia?”
    Link

  174. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Spotify will now crucify you if a wamen makes an accusation
    Spotify’s ‘Hateful Conduct’ Policy Drags The Music Industry Into The #MeToo Moment

    Last week, Spotify announced it was implementing a new policy in which it would stop promoting “hate content” and artists who engage in “hateful conduct” within its very powerful playlists and through its equally powerful suggestion algorithm. In the week since, the move has been greeted with celebration, derision and skepticism. Asked for a response this morning, a Spotify spokesperson wrote that the company was “not in a place where we can comment right now.”

  175. Entropy

    32 broadcasts where he accused the Wagner’s of causing the deaths of 12 people?

    He must have a serious vendetta against them. Flight path out of Wellcamp over his birthplace or something?

  176. Tom

    Six Demorats defied The Resistance’s effort to block all Trump appointees and make the US ungovernable after the DNC loss in 2016 as the US Senate voted 54-45 to confirm Gina Haspel as the first wymmynses to run the CIA.

    Meanwhile, the US news media including the New York Times , Washington Post and US Today disgraced themselves by accusing the president of calling all undocumented immigrants “animals”, when they knew in his comments on Thursday US time he was referring specifically to members of the notorious MS-13 crime gang that has been flooding into the US from El Salvador and now faces an intense eradication campaign by US immigration law enforcement.

    It is astonishing to me that NYT or Wapo still has a single subscriber after their decision to abolish fact-checked accuracy and ethical coverage of US politics in 2016 because of their blind hatred of anyone who defies zombie leftwing political orthodoxy. They no longer report news, just whatever propaganda narrative it will take to get Trump driven from office.

  177. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If bakers have to bake a cake for fags, then social media and music platforms must not censor content they don’t agree with.

  178. Entropy

    Breitbart London is carrying a report that the new muslim mayor of Sheffield (rumoured to have a problem rivalling that of Rotherham) will not propose any toasts to the queen, and thinks the monarchy is “out of date”.
    There’s a good follow-up question that this guy could be asked.
    “How about the caliphate, and sharia?”

    Well to be fair, I doubt he drinks. It’s would be pretty gauche to have a toast with a cup of coffee.

  179. Dave in Marybrook

    Well said Zippy.

  180. thefrolickingmole

    Arky.

    Is the Ken Burns prohibition show any good?

    I read quite a lot on the issue a while back, the base reasoning behind it was “Think of the chiiiillldren” with stories of no good men pissing up the paypackets on grog rather than go home to their angelic wives and cherubs.
    http://takimag.com/article/prohibition_twin_sister_of_womens_suffrage_steve_sailer/print#axzz5FnhuO64C

  181. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2713091, posted on May 17, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    I have just finished reading Anne de Courcy’s “The Husband Hunters – Social Climbing in London and New York”, a well-researched historical account of the 400 women who from the 1870’s to 1910 married into the British aristocracy in an exchange of American wealth for the social standing a coronet brought in the trans-Atlantic world

    Lizzie,

    thanks for that, have just purchased online through BookDepository for my wife and myself

    If you have not read Colleen McCullough Masters of Rome Series (7 books)

    An epic series about the last years of the Roman republic, struggles between politicians and generals, and the men and women in the centre of all.

    I would recommend – purchased complete series from BookDepository for eldest grandson after visiting museum at Alesia in France – he is a bookworm like myself and his Father

  182. OldOzzie

    Tom

    Thanks – Rick McKee wins today

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    OldOzzie – Sounds like your grandson might like Lindsey Davis’ books.
    The first in the series is The Silver Pigs.

  184. Geriatric Mayfly

    Macron Announces He Will Launch Islamic Reformation in France, Starting After Ramadan
    French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to announce a major overhaul to Islam in France following Ramadan including major reforms of Islamic bodies, halal practices, and the training of imams.

    An Islamic Reformation – a contradiction in terms to begin with. Macron versus the Koran. Game over.

  185. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Scaredy cat that I am, I kept my eyes shut tight almost the entire way.

    This is my preferred method of coping with circumstances of the travel variety over which I have no control. Just as there are no atheists in a battle foxhole, there are none who clench their eyes shut at danger, although the nature of the deity under pleading is in my case inchoate and perhaps just a bargaining arrangement with fate.

  186. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    NDIS must be sorted now to be effective and viable

    Australians with severe disabilities need the security and support the National Disability Insurance Scheme provides. The scheme must be affordable for taxpayers, however, which is why the agency running the NDIS is right to resort to legal action to fight off appeals from clients for more money in their support packages or to get into the scheme. More than 750 such appeals have been made to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal since the scheme began. And in just two months this year, the National Disability Insurance Agency has been forced to revise plans for three clients by $200,000 a year after the AAT judged they had been underfunded.

    Future legal action, as Rick Morton writes today, is likely to come from applicants diagnosed with conditions such as chronic fatigue, mental health problems and autism who want to join the scheme. However responsible the NDIA is being in trying to limit access to the scheme from such applications, it has lost 40 per cent of the cases it has fought so far, incurring legal costs of up to $10 million a year. In its submission to the ­Productivity Commission review last year, the NDIA noted that its risk exposure from the result of legal cases was “potentially extreme”. Decisions by the AAT or the Federal Court, it said, had the potential to vastly ­increase the scope of access and what was considered “reasonable and necessary support’’ to clients, even while the NDIA challenged some decisions.

    The basic problems date back to Labor’s rushed, incompetent establishment of the scheme under Julia Gillard: first, the lack of clear boundaries for what the NDIS could provide and for whom; and second, the commonwealth shouldering 100 per cent of NDIS cost overruns while allowing the states equal say and equal control over implementing the scheme.

    The time to resolve those problems is now, before the NDIS reaches full rollout next year, when it is likely to serve about 475,000 people and its projected cost is $23.6 billion for the first full year of operation. At the start of this year, the scheme was serving 140,000 clients, of whom almost 38,000 — or 29 per cent — had autism as their primary disability. An equal number had intellectual disabilities and 7 per cent had psychosocial disabilities.

    From the surge in legal cases and their outcomes in the past year, it is clear the ultimate scope and cost of the NDIS will be shaped by court and tribunal decisions. Social Services Minister Dan Tehan was right when he said on yesterday’s front page that such decisions “will be critical to the future sustainability of the scheme”. That’s why he needs to act. The COAG Disability Reform Council is not due to review the NDIS legislation until 2021. That process must be brought forward to provide the NDIA with flexibility to set boundaries and limit its clientele to focus on its core constituency: those with severe disabilities. The states will be reluctant to give up the cushy deals they were handed by Ms Gillard. But it is in their interests to help ensure the NDIS remains viable.

    From the Comments

    – I feel another NBN coming on.

    – Labor knows how to throw away hard earned taxpayers money. Rudd -Gillard from NBN, school program, roof insulation, and this NDIS will be a great thorn for years to come. No wonder taxpayer are trying to minimise as much as they can the taxes they are obliged to pay.

    Blind Freddie could see that the NDIS was going to be a disaster but not the genius in government, they could carry their brains around in an eggcup.

    – Yet another outstanding example of Labor’s financial acumen. And this is the mob who expect us to believe that they will return the budget to surplus.

    – I’m all for helping the most disabled but not at any cost. The NDIS is an endless money pit

  187. OldOzzie

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2713436, posted on May 18, 2018 at 8:55 am

    OldOzzie – Sounds like your grandson might like Lindsey Davis’ books.
    The first in the series is The Silver Pigs.

    Bruce,

    thanks for that – will chase up on Book Depository

  188. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    another day another white male’s career destroyed

    ‘Catfish’ Star Nev Schulman Has Been Accused Of Sexual Misconduct, Prompting MTV To Suspend Production

    let’s rewind & see what he did to deserve ruin

    A lesbian, Morgan claims Schulman—whom she refers to in the video by the pseudonym “Jack”—pushed her to “reevaluate” her sexuality and have sex with him. In another video, posted May 14, Morgan alleges that a female production assistant, “Carol,” got her drunk and took advantage of her. The next day, she claims, Schulman invited her into his hotel room, where he allegedly propositioned her.

    double wrongthink! tried to turn a lesbian, the horror!

  189. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    what possesses white males to fall for buttfuk ugly black females
    This is because of you’: Haunting last message of acid attack victim blaming ex-lover who attacked him for his trip to suicide clinic – as she is cleared of murder but convicted of throwing corrosive substance
    Berlinah Wallace, 48, was acquitted of the murder of Mark van Dongen today
    She was found guilty of throwing a corrosive substance with intent at him
    The fashion student threw acid on Mark after he started seeing someone else
    Horrific images show Mark’s bed doused in acid after the September 2015 attack
    Harrowing 999 audio reveals the aftermath as Mr van Dongen howled in pain
    Mark, 29, was left with such catastrophic injuries he was granted euthanasia

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Old Ozzie, forgot to tell people the de Courcy book was published in hard copy in 2017 and 2018 in paperback, i.e. it is fairly recent. She ends the period 1905 not as I said above 1910, and in her last chapter suggests by 1905 the exuberant displays ended as wealthy women on both sides of the Atlantic became increasingly drawn to political issues of female suffrage and ‘good works’ of a more ‘social justice’ kind extending beyond the normal ‘my lady bountiful’ sort common in the past. Also, the extreme social competition between rival doyennes of New York society had by this time broken down due to the large number of new entrants and the sanctification by time of the new money earned by what was now a previous generation of ‘buccaneers’. A fascinating account of a time of change during the growth of American capitalism. Hope you and your wife enjoy reading it; I did. I picked it up at the airport bookshop in Sydney and busy with travelling, my three other books are left untouched!

    For those inspired by Calli’s visit to Israel, I’ve just dipped into the Chapter on Jesus in Simon Sebag Montefiore’s book ‘Jerusalem: The Biography’, out in paperback, published 2011. (Hairy purchased it at the same airport bookshop to read, but has been busy with Amor Towles’ ‘Rules of Civility’ till now.) I found the Chapter on Jesus to be very balanced in its analysis of what did happen or might have happened, and respectful of religious beliefs. I haven’t read any further than just that Chapter, as I have a bad habit of pinching Hairy’s books before he’s finished with them and he is good enough usually to graciously concede them to me.
    I am trying to reform. 🙂

  191. thefrolickingmole

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You might like the Duff Cooper Diaries.
    Lots on the mangled marriage lives of the Edwardians and onward.

    The long awaited and highly revealing diaries of the politician, diplomat, and socialite (married to Lady Diana Cooper)

    Duff Cooper was a first-rate witness of just about every significant event from 1914 to 1950. His diary includes some magnificent set pieces – as a young soldier at the end of WWI, as a politician during the General Strike of 1926, as King Edward VIII’s friend at the time of the Abdication, and from Paris after the liberation in 1944, when he became British ambassador.

    If Duff Cooper’s name has dimmed in the 50 years since his death, publication of these diaries will bring him to the fore once again. His family have long resisted publication – indeed Duff Cooper’s nephew, the publisher Rupert Hart-Davis, was so shocked by the sexual revelations that he suggested to John Julius Norwich that it might be best for all concerned if they were burnt. Now, superbly edited by John Julius Norwich, who familial link ensures all kinds of additional information as footnotes, these diaries join the ranks.

  192. Senile Old Guy

    ABC:

    The Federal Government has publicly apologised to residents of a Northern Territory Aboriginal community for prolonged delays in delivering new houses promised under its highest profile program for addressing Indigenous disadvantage. Last month the Commonwealth announced it would match NT Government spending with $550 million for five years so that the two Governments’ Indigenous housing program could continue.

    Over 1 billion building houses for Aboriginals in communities which are usually not economically viable. The rest of us have to work and pay for our own accommodation.

    Yarralin health clinic receptionist Irene Williams invited the ABC into the one-bedroom tin shed house she shares with three other adults and her two children. There is no bathroom or kitchen sink, and residents share an outside toilet and shower shed with neighbouring houses, while the kitchen is open to the elements. The house cannot be locked, so Ms Williams said her food was often stolen, and the tin roof leaks.

    Her food is being stolen by her neighbours. And, if my roof leaks, I have to fix it or pay for someone to fix it.

    She is also desperate to improve her living conditions.

    No, she is desperate to get taxpayers to improve her living conditions.

    I get a severe case of the irks when someone entirely supported by taxpayers complains that they are not getting enough.

  193. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We always head first to the bookshop either in Heathrow or Sydney Airport when starting on a longish haul or holiday. This even though we both always carry a couple of books from the bedside pile. Somehow it is a thrill to discover amongst the usual dross something that looks more interesting, either just out or overlooked when it first emerged. I wonder if others do this little ritual too?

  194. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I take my Kindle too, although it is often redundant and sits in the bottom of my carry bag. It is sometimes useful for immediately purchasing a title I come across but want to read later.

  195. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Because we all know that rich white women want to look like young blacks
    Australia’s fashion industry lagging behind in diversity, top models say

    “It’s not right that we have to spend a lot of time overseas and not do anything in Australia so it would be nice if we could come here and do more stuff for us,” Australian model Akiima told Hack.

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You might like the Duff Cooper Diaries.
    Lots on the mangled marriage lives of the Edwardians and onward.

    I did find the “Duff” Cooper diaries most interesting, as well.

  197. C.L.

    Question: should Trump pardon Obama if it comes to that?

  198. thefrolickingmole

    Couple of quotes.

    “My infidelities are entirely of the flesh. Long habit of promiscuity asserts itself. I feel guilty of no faithlessness, only of filthiness.”
    ..
    “It is very difficult to work in London at this time of year. There are continual distractions. We went to Breccles for the weekend. Just before dinner the butler blew his brains out which was rather distressing.”

    Did my mother know … Of course she did — and she didn’t mind a bit. They had an incredibly happy marriage, but my father wasn’t faithful to her for a single second.
    There was scarcely a trace of jealousy in her character. She worshipped the ground he walked on, but she wasn’t very highly sexed — she was quite glad that other women were taking the weight off her, as it were. I once asked her if she minded. She said: “They were the flowers, but I was the tree.”

    Wise chap as well.

    I don’t like men who live, by choice, out of their own country. I don’t like interior decorators. I don’t like Germans. I don’t like buggers and I don’t like Christian Scientists.

    Early urban bugman detector detected!!!!

  199. egg_

    “Controversial Wallabies star Israel Folau has reportedly had his sponsored car taken off him following comments made on social media about homosexuality.

    Land Rover bends over backwards for pooves?

  200. thefrolickingmole

    Question: should Trump pardon Obama if it comes to that?

    Absolutely, I mentioned it yesterday it would be a “Nixon” moment, the only way to make sure Americas cold civil war doesnt warm up.

    Quite a few of the smaller players can be scalped though.

  201. Geriatric Mayfly

    You have to be on the lookout to find these snippets. They will not surface in the MSM. Those knifings which are sweeping London have targeted mainly black victims, presumably inflicted by other blacks. Gangs, drugs etc. are, as usual, the sorry lot of marginalised and disadvantaged yoof.

  202. Gab

    Land Rover organisation hates Christians and tries to silence them by punishment.

  203. Rae

    I hope Izzy enjoys his impending retirement. Maybe he could become pen pals with Kaepernick.

  204. Geriatric Mayfly

    I did find the “Duff” Cooper diaries most interesting, as well.

    Agreed. But still waiting patiently for the unexpurgated publication of Chips Channon’s diaries.

  205. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yarralin health clinic receptionist Irene Williams invited the ABC into the one-bedroom tin shed house she shares with three other adults and her two children. There is no bathroom or kitchen sink, and residents share an outside toilet and shower shed with neighbouring houses, while the kitchen is open to the elements. The house cannot be locked, so Ms Williams said her food was often stolen, and the tin roof leaks.

    This sounds like the ‘transitional’ style of housing with ablution blocks built for those who wouldn’t live in enclosed housing and who ruined any they were given. One wonders why three other adults needed to move in. This lady could improve her situation immediately by suggesting they move elsewhere (I am sure I could find them a place), and by purchasing with her wages a camp kitchen set up and a big strong locked box for her food. It’s what I would do.

    In my youth on a rural property in Mt. Druitt we had a lean-to bathroom, a tin bath with no drains, same for kitchen, one tap with no proper drains, a primus stove, a collapsing well, and a roof that had a few leaks. My parents considered themselves lucky to have left public housing. Me, not so much. I hated the isolation. Big Sis and I fixed the place up as best we could, and we managed.

  206. H B Bear

    Land Rover bends over backwards for pooves?

    When you manufacture the Evoque I imagine the homo and hairdresser market is a key demographic.

  207. OldOzzie

    OldOzzie
    #2713441, posted on May 18, 2018 at 9:01 am

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #2713436, posted on May 18, 2018 at 8:55 am

    OldOzzie – Sounds like your grandson might like Lindsey Davis’ books.
    The first in the series is The Silver Pigs.

    Bruce,

    thanks for that – will chase up on Book Depository

    Only Silver Pigs in Spanish on Book Depository

    Purchased on Amazon US

    The Silver Pigs (Marcus Didius Falco Mysteries

    The Iron Hand of Mars: A Marcus Didius Falco Mystery (Marcus Didius Falco Mysteries)

    Venus in Copper: A Marcus Didius Falco Mystery (Marcus Didius Falco Mysteries)

    Poseidon’s Gold

    All up AUD$86.53 – for some unknown reason , a hell of a lot dearer on Amazon Australia – Go Figure?

  208. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for the Duff Cooper reference. I’ve heard of him. Sounds interesting, fancy having the ‘distraction’ of a butler so distressed he blew his brains out. With Julius Norwich as an editor the read should be good.

  209. C.L.

    what possesses white males to fall for … ugly black females

    I can’t speak to the ugliness element but in some cases – not all; some – it’s a liberal status symbol thing (Bill de Blasio). Robert De Niro’s three wives were/are all black.

    Oddy, I’ve noticed Australian advertisers are now ostentatiously keen on black men with white women. Somebody else pointed out here recently that you’ll never see the reverse – white men with black wives/etc. The rationale seems to be that it’s ‘progress’ when a black man scores a white woman but racist when a white man has a black woman.

  210. Snoopy

    DCNF via Ace:

    Halper has links to the CIA stretching back decades. His late father-in-law was Ray Cline, a CIA legend who served as director of the agency’s bureau of intelligence and research. Halper also worked with a team of former CIA officers on George H.W. Bush’s unsuccessful 1980 presidential primary bid.

    Ace hisself:

    It occurs to me that a possiblity here is that that Halper was hired by Jeb Bush, given that he used to run political spying ops for George Bush, Sr.

    If true, this could explain the varying claims about “Republicans starting the dossier.” No, Republicans didn’t start the dossier per se in this hypothetical scenario, but Jeb Bush’s man in London Stephan Halper began the spying operation and would have served as one of the first sources to Christopher Steele.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    Question: should Trump pardon Obama if it comes to that?

    Yes. For the sake of the Republic.

    Not a good look to have former leaders rotting in jail, getting cornholed all day long, even if they love it.

  212. C.L.

    Land Rover reportedly seizes sponsored car off Israel Folau over controversial social media posts.

    But Folau probably isn’t too sad about the deal as he still drives around in his Lamborghini, purchased with his own money.

  213. OldOzzie

    From Up Thread – Hard Choices – Trump vs Putin

    Comments of the Day

    – the not very bright Marcus
    #2713215, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    There is free market VS. Socialism in 2 pics..

    Entropy
    #2713219, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    No wonder Putin wanted help from Trump.

    But the Winner is

    areff
    #2713224, posted on May 17, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    Who knew Putin attends meetings of the ALP women’s caucus?

    With Runner-Up

    Infidel Tiger
    #2713274, posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    The girls on top will look like the girls on the bottom one day.

    Life is hard.

  214. Infidel Tiger

    We need to make a list of all the companies we should be boycotting for abject cowardice and craven wokeness.

  215. Geriatric Mayfly

    Monster Darling the letters of Lady Diana Cooper to her son. Just the ticket for the rarified air at 10,000 metres.

  216. egg_

    When you manufacture the Evoque I imagine the homo and hairdresser market is a key demographic.

    +1

    Fourby-pooves.

  217. Slayer of Memes

    Killing a crow Entropy!

    Native and protected. You’d be guaranteed prison time in Vicco for that. Bashing or running over paramedics is a safer hobby.

    Settle down…

    It’s not like it’s a grey nurse shark or something….

  218. stackja

    C.L.
    #2713454, posted on May 18, 2018 at 9:31 am
    Question: should Trump pardon Obama if it comes to that?

    Gerald Ford pardoned RMN and USA voted for JC. Will USA voters vote against DT for BO’s ‘crimes’?

  219. Slayer of Memes

    Rand Paul got his arse kicked by his neighbour. Sad!

    Here we see mUnty gloating over a (conservative) politician being physically assaulted… just like when he was cock-a-hoop over the Bernie-bro shooting Steve Scalise and others…

    Leftism really is an evil thing…

  220. DrBeauGan

    Question: should Trump pardon Obama if it comes to that?

    Yes. For the sake of the Republic.

    Also because Trump would derive some innocent pleasure from it.

  221. number is just a description of what can be sensed. the sophistry just doesn’t stop.

    No, no, the concept number isn’t a ‘description’ of what can be sensed at all, and since I said a concept or abstraction, by implication to the example of the soul, first begins in the senses there is no sophistry involved at all. We abstract the concept number first from the senses, but to say that we sense the concept number when we see four or five crows is just daft.

  222. OldOzzie

    ABC’s Emma Alberici ‘disregarded’ advice of ATO expert – Dana McCauley

    ABC chief economics correspondent Emma Alberici’s bungled company tax story was published after she received a two-hour briefing by Australian Taxation Office Deputy Commissioner Jeremy Hirschhorn, it has been revealed.

    She was accused in a stinging email from the office of Scott Morrison to ABC news director Gaven Morris of having “disregarded this advice from the leading tax avoidance expert at the ATO, who was also intimately involved in the development of Australia’s tax integrity legislation and frameworks.”

    “I understand Mr Hirschhorn sought to educate Ms Alberici on the basics of tax avoidance and company tax obligations after she expressed limited ­understanding.”

    Alberici’s news story and analysis piece, which wrongly claimed that Australia’s largest companies paid no tax despite earning billions, were removed and substantially rewritten after complaints from the offices of the Prime Minister, Treasurer and Communications Minister Mitch Fifield.

    A senior adviser to Mr Morrison wrote to the ABC on February 14, the day Alberici’s news article was published, outlining a long list of concerns in a diatribe that reads as a 1600-word economics lesson.

    Alberici’s story — which confused company revenue with profits, on which taxes are paid — was “riddled with inaccuracies, betrays a lack of understanding of corporate taxation, and basic economic and commercial prin­ciples”, the email said.

    “The article does not provide any balance or counter argument whatsoever, as required by the ABC charter,” it continued, noting that Alberici had retweeted Bill Shorten’s tweet about a “$65 billion handout to multi­nationals” by the Turnbull government. “Ms Alberici’s story reveals an inherent bias and is ­activism disguised as journalism, and we would expect more from the ABC’s chief economics correspondent.”

    Mobile users please click here to see the email

    It pointed out inaccuracies in Alberici’s story and noted that allowing losses to be offset against future profits was “a standard feature of most income-tax systems”.

    And, it said, the story showed “no understanding of the concept of carried-forward losses and doesn’t provide context by mentioning accumulated losses in prior years” — citing Qantas’s $2.8 billion loss in 2014.

    The email’s revelation comes after it yesterday emerged that the ABC, which has objected to a three-year freeze on its funding announced in the federal budget, handed out more than $2.6 million in bonuses last year to its highest-paid staff.

    Senator Fifield announced in last week’s budget that the ABC’s ­annual funding indexation would be ­frozen for three years from July next year. The move is expected to cost the organisation $84m.

    Despite maintaining its operations were “as lean as can be”, the ABC paid nine employees bonuses of more than $50,000 each, the Herald Sun revealed this week.

    ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie told a Senate estimates communications com­mittee last month that inadequate editorial resources were to blame for the publication of the articles.

    The ABC admitted that Alberici’s news story had contained nine errors of fact and omissions, while an accompanying analysis piece was removed and substantially rewritten.

    “It was assessed that the story was not consistent with the ABC’s editorial standards,” the corporation said in written responses to the committee’s questions.

    It conceded: “Australia’s largest companies (all the top five and most of the top 10 companies by market capitalisation) have paid corporate tax.”

    The ABC said both articles had been reviewed by the business editor for editorial compliance before publication.

    It has since increased editorial oversight as part of a restructure.

    Earlier this month, ABC political editor Andrew Probyn was chastised by broadcast regulator ACMA after commenting in a news report that former prime minister Tony Abbott was “the most destructive politician of his generation”.

    The ABC declined to comment on the letter from Mr Morrison’s office.

  223. stackja

    Land Rover lost the plot when they ended Land Rover Series.

  224. Snoopy

    m0nty
    #2713481, posted on May 18, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Mueller flips another Trumpkin.

    LOL, you lying liar. Trumpkin indeed.

  225. OldOzzie

    GRAHAM RICHARDSON
    Citizenship debacle requires a referendum, or it’s chaos

    When suggestions of the need for a referendum on the dual-­citizenship saga arose, I thought they were doomed and there was little point in batting on. It seemed the High Court had ended the matter once and for all.

    The four MPs who were under a cloud had resigned and would all stand in forthcoming by-­elections.

    Only Jason Falinski, protected by Coalition numbers and the Prime Minister’s barefaced hypocrisy, would sit in the parliament for another year and would sort out his dual citizenship problems well before then.

    On Wednesday I interviewed George Williams, a columnist for this newspaper, dean of law at the University of NSW, and regarded as an eminent expert on our Constitution, and in just 20 minutes he jolted me out of my complacency.

    Far from being over, the court’s decision may be a precursor to a truly difficult period.

    Essentially the court found anyone with dubious citizenship entering politics must produce a document from another country’s government before taking part in the election.

    If the candidate’s ancestral links are with almost any African country or Syria or Iraq or even Italy, Greece or Spain, then they had better get cracking, with about 12 months to go before the next federal election.

    I can’t imagine a request for the total renunciation of citizenship would be a particularly important issue for an often overburdened or inefficient foreign bureaucracy.

    There is an element of injustice here that the black-letter lawyers on the High Court did not allow to influence their decision. Those judges rightly see their role as one of interpreting the Constitution, not rewriting it to suit today’s political demands.

    This had meant that anyone contemplating a run for parliament who has a parent or grandparent born overseas had better have the capacity to spend money to ensure the legitimacy of their candidature.

    To be truly thorough, that person would need legal advice from a lawyer in the other country. Presumably a push from a local law firm would carry more weight than a letter from an unknown punter, 10,000km away. Not too many Aussies could afford that.

    Williams pointed out that there were 1600 candidates at the 2016 federal election. How many of them would have the resources to assess whether they might have trouble under section 44 of the Constitution?

    Very, very few, would be the ­answer. Even the major parties will baulk at spending huge sums of scarce cash to ensure their candidates are bulletproof from ­section 44.

    The chaos that potentially can flow from this is truly scary.

    If the loser in a lower house seat got even a sniff that one or two candidates might have been in breach of the Constitution, and the preferences of those candidates went against that loser, then a challenge to the Court of ­Disputed Returns surely would follow.

    With all we have witnessed during the past year, you could bet your bottom dollar it would happen in more than one electorate.

    If the election were to be closely fought, then it might take many months to know who could govern the country. We’d be a joke.

    I only wish I had thought this through myself but this one interview with Williams changed my views on a possible referendum.

    The parliamentary committee on electoral matters came down yesterday and it recommended a referendum to abolish or alter the wording of section 44.

    It did not take the relevant minister, Mathias Cormann, long to pour cold water on its report.

    He said that while the government would consider the report, it did not support a referendum “at this time”.

    Cormann should speak to Williams because I doubt the considerations mentioned above have been adequately discussed. Too many on both sides believe that the crisis has been dealt with.

    It may be that the High Court has thrown a nuclear device, not a hand grenade, into Australian politics.

    Sadly, too many in the parliament will not realise how dangerous the dual-citizenship drama is until it explodes in their faces.

    Meanwhile, many Palestinians are being killed by Israeli armed forces as the US embassy opens its doors in West Jerusalem.

    Donald Trump is lauded by the brilliant Greg Sheridan for making a statement that West Jerusalem is rightly the Jewish capital.

    If the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, is in West Jerusalem, then why should foreign embassies not set up there?

    The whole of Europe seems to be against it but it has certainly given Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a welcome distraction from the corruption allegations that have been dogging him.

    While I have no qualms about Israel taking an aggressive stance against the mad mullahs of Iran who, armed with nuclear weapons, could threaten Israel’s existence, what I can’t handle about this situation is that it is simply not reasonable to shoot 60 people who, from all the footage I have seen, were armed with fairly crude slingshots.

    Even our Foreign Minister, Julie Bishop, is concerned about how “proportional” the Israeli response has been.

    I am at a loss to understand why the US embassy had to open up right now. Every Palestinian death at the hands of a far greater power plays so badly in lounge rooms across world — and it should.

    The Israelis tried to claim that weapons were sighted among the Palestinian protesters but dropped off when the welter of television coverage showed no hint of weaponry.

    I am in no way a defender of Hamas, which rejoices at the loss of life because it hopes that the zeal of its downtrodden supporters will be strengthened by the gross over-reaction of the Israelis.

    Years ago I got into strife with the Jewish Board of Deputies for saying that the Israelis should stop shooting children on prime-time CNN.

    There are many outlets other than CNN these days and the same problem is even more graphic.

    I will never support Hamas and will always support the right of Israel to exist within secure ­borders. I am also a staunch supporter of a two-state solution, and the past week has put that ideal back years.

    From the Comments

    – There are millions of intelligent, competent Australians who were born here and come from parents who were also born here to fill all the candidate positions available in State and Federal Parliaments. This country is not scratching around for available candidates so there is absolutely no need to change the Constitution at all. Sick to the back teeth with Labors’ wishy-washy drivel about this issue. Enough!

    – An apprentice cannot serve two masters and nor can a politician serve two countries.

    If you not 100% an Australian citizen then you should not sit in our parliament. Imagine a parliament filled of Middle Eastern, Chinese or worse yet POMMY nationals, whose interests would they really hold.

    – Why is it that when the government have issues the labour party cite the constitution.

    When labour face the same issues they demand the constitution be changed.

    This section of the constitution has never been questioned with such force as it is now.

    Why? Because multiple gamers have been found out and the labour party started it.

    Yes Australian citizenship does not guarantee loyalty, but what is the choice.

    Divided loyalty. English as the second language.

    Excellent qualities for public service.

    – A referendum could be dangerous- people may say unkind things that hurt sensitive souls.

    What, a referendum to allow dual citizens to run for parliament because the prospective MPs are too stupid or too lazy to check and comply? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that Labor turns out to be the biggest offender despite BS’s guarantees Richo?

  226. H B Bear

    Alberscreechi and the ALPBC getting hammered in the comments on that story. The Lieborals should be using it as a bat to belt the staff co-op but *crickets*.

  227. OldOzzie

    GRAHAM RICHARDSON
    Citizenship debacle requires a referendum, or it’s chaos

    When suggestions of the need for a referendum on the dual-­citizenship saga arose, I thought they were doomed and there was little point in batting on. It seemed the High Court had ended the matter once and for all.

    The four MPs who were under a cloud had resigned and would all stand in forthcoming by-­elections.

    Only Jason Falinski, protected by Coalition numbers and the Prime Minister’s barefaced hypocrisy, would sit in the parliament for another year and would sort out his dual citizenship problems well before then.

    On Wednesday I interviewed George Williams, a columnist for this newspaper, dean of law at the University of NSW, and regarded as an eminent expert on our Constitution, and in just 20 minutes he jolted me out of my complacency.

    Far from being over, the court’s decision may be a precursor to a truly difficult period.

    Essentially the court found anyone with dubious citizenship entering politics must produce a document from another country’s government before taking part in the election.

    If the candidate’s ancestral links are with almost any African country or Syria or Iraq or even Italy, Greece or Spain, then they had better get cracking, with about 12 months to go before the next federal election.

    I can’t imagine a request for the total renunciation of citizenship would be a particularly important issue for an often overburdened or inefficient foreign bureaucracy.

    There is an element of injustice here that the black-letter lawyers on the High Court did not allow to influence their decision. Those judges rightly see their role as one of interpreting the Constitution, not rewriting it to suit today’s political demands.

    This had meant that anyone contemplating a run for parliament who has a parent or grandparent born overseas had better have the capacity to spend money to ensure the legitimacy of their candidature.

    To be truly thorough, that person would need legal advice from a lawyer in the other country. Presumably a push from a local law firm would carry more weight than a letter from an unknown punter, 10,000km away. Not too many Aussies could afford that.

    Williams pointed out that there were 1600 candidates at the 2016 federal election. How many of them would have the resources to assess whether they might have trouble under section 44 of the Constitution?

    Very, very few, would be the ­answer. Even the major parties will baulk at spending huge sums of scarce cash to ensure their candidates are bulletproof from ­section 44.

    The chaos that potentially can flow from this is truly scary.

    If the loser in a lower house seat got even a sniff that one or two candidates might have been in breach of the Constitution, and the preferences of those candidates went against that loser, then a challenge to the Court of ­Disputed Returns surely would follow.

    With all we have witnessed during the past year, you could bet your bottom dollar it would happen in more than one electorate.

    If the election were to be closely fought, then it might take many months to know who could govern the country. We’d be a joke.

    I only wish I had thought this through myself but this one interview with Williams changed my views on a possible referendum.

    The parliamentary committee on electoral matters came down yesterday and it recommended a referendum to abolish or alter the wording of section 44.

    It did not take the relevant minister, Mathias Cormann, long to pour cold water on its report.

    He said that while the government would consider the report, it did not support a referendum “at this time”.

    Cormann should speak to Williams because I doubt the considerations mentioned above have been adequately discussed. Too many on both sides believe that the crisis has been dealt with.

    It may be that the High Court has thrown a nuclear device, not a hand grenade, into Australian politics.

    Sadly, too many in the parliament will not realise how dangerous the dual-citizenship drama is until it explodes in their faces.

    Meanwhile, many Palestinians are being killed by Israeli armed forces as the US embassy opens its doors in West Jerusalem.

    Donald Trump is lauded by the brilliant Greg Sheridan for making a statement that West Jerusalem is rightly the J**ish capital.

    If the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, is in West Jerusalem, then why should foreign embassies not set up there?

    The whole of Europe seems to be against it but it has certainly given Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a welcome distraction from the corruption allegations that have been dogging him.

    While I have no qualms about Israel taking an aggressive stance against the mad mullahs of Iran who, armed with nuclear weapons, could threaten Israel’s existence, what I can’t handle about this situation is that it is simply not reasonable to shoot 60 people who, from all the footage I have seen, were armed with fairly crude slingshots.

    Even our Foreign Minister, Julie Bishop, is concerned about how “proportional” the Israeli response has been.

    I am at a loss to understand why the US embassy had to open up right now. Every Palestinian death at the hands of a far greater power plays so badly in lounge rooms across world — and it should.

    The Israelis tried to claim that weapons were sighted among the Palestinian protesters but dropped off when the welter of television coverage showed no hint of weaponry.

    I am in no way a defender of Hamas, which rejoices at the loss of life because it hopes that the zeal of its downtrodden supporters will be strengthened by the gross over-reaction of the Israelis.

    Years ago I got into strife with the J**ish Board of Deputies for saying that the Israelis should stop shooting children on prime-time CNN.

    There are many outlets other than CNN these days and the same problem is even more graphic.

    I will never support Hamas and will always support the right of Israel to exist within secure ­borders. I am also a staunch supporter of a two-state solution, and the past week has put that ideal back years.

    From the Comments

    – There are millions of intelligent, competent Australians who were born here and come from parents who were also born here to fill all the candidate positions available in State and Federal Parliaments. This country is not scratching around for available candidates so there is absolutely no need to change the Constitution at all. Sick to the back teeth with Labors’ wishy-washy drivel about this issue. Enough!

    – An apprentice cannot serve two masters and nor can a politician serve two countries.

    If you not 100% an Australian citizen then you should not sit in our parliament. Imagine a parliament filled of Middle Eastern, Chinese or worse yet P**MY nationals, whose interests would they really hold.

    – Why is it that when the government have issues the labour party cite the constitution.

    When labour face the same issues they demand the constitution be changed.

    This section of the constitution has never been questioned with such force as it is now.

    Why? Because multiple gamers have been found out and the labour party started it.

    Yes Australian citizenship does not guarantee loyalty, but what is the choice.

    Divided loyalty. English as the second language.

    Excellent qualities for public service.

    – A referendum could be dangerous- people may say unkind things that hurt sensitive souls.

    What, a referendum to allow dual citizens to run for parliament because the prospective MPs are too stupid or too lazy to check and comply? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that Labor turns out to be the biggest offender despite BS’s guarantees Richo?

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL SECURITY
    Bishop takes tougher line on accused terrorist Neil Prakash

    The Australian
    12:00AM May 18, 2018
    Paul Maley
    NATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR
    Sydney
    @paul_maley

    The government will move to reinstate tough economic sanctions against accused Australian Islamic State terrorist Neil Prakash, making it a crime to aid or assist him in any way, just weeks before a Turkish court is due to decide the former Melbourne man’s fate.

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop will announce today that Prakash will remain the subject of strict fin­ancial sanctions for a further three years. The sanctions make it an offence to use or deal with Prakash’s assets, or make those assets available to him.

    Prakash arrived in Syria in 2013 and quickly became one of the most prominent Australian fighter with Islamic State, operating under the nom de guerre “Abu Khalid al-Cambodi’’.

    The son of Cambodian and ­Fijian migrants, Prakash turned his back on his Buddhist roots and became a recruiter and terrorist attack planner for Islamic State.

    A statement by Ms Bishop outlining the reasons for the sanctions says he is alleged to “have sought to commission violent terrorist acts, including in Australia’’.

    From the Oz. Wouldn’t it just be far simpler not to let him back into Australia?

  229. Leigh Lowe

    CSL going gangbusters.
    Up 4.5% after lifting NPAT forecast from $1.5 – $1.6 bn to $1.7bn.
    That’s $1,700,000,000.
    And you can also take it as read that they will comfortably beat the $1.7 bn.
    They never upgrade like that unless it is in the bag.

  230. Snoopy

    Mueller had fuck all to do with it. This has been leaked in an attempt to blow up Mueller’s tyres. God knows he needs the help.

    Horowitz’s report is coming down. Tick, tock.

  231. Leigh Lowe

    H B Bear

    #2713489, posted on May 18, 2018 at 10:16 am

    Alberscreechi and the ALPBC getting hammered in the comments on that story.

    Did she get a bonus last year?

  232. dopey

    Leishman 10 under at the Byron Nelson.

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