Wednesday Forum: May 16, 2018

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  1. Snoopy

    What are the metaphysical assumptions to be acknowledged before beginning to change the oil and filters on a Hilux? Answers by tomorrow morning please.

  2. JC

    I don’t like posting entire pieces, but Pope Vlad’s recommendations deserve to be read in full.

    The Vatican has denounced the use of offshore tax havens and financial instruments such as debt securitisations that are seen as factors behind past financial crises, calling for new regulation that would “neutralise predatory and speculative tendencies.” The document, which was released jointed by the Vatican’s offices for Catholic doctrine and social justice, echoed past warnings by Pope Francis over the dangers of unbridled capitalism. Catholic social teaching has long criticised the inequities of finance, but Pope Francis has given special emphasis to the theme in his teaching, even deriding money as the “dung of the devil.”

    The teaching document, which was personally approved by the pope, suggested that greater regulation of the world’s financial markets was necessary to contain “predatory and speculative” practices and economic inequality.

    “Markets, as powerful propellers of the economy, are not capable of governing themselves,” said the document, and lack of oversight gives free rein to fraud and other negative effects including environmental damage. The document was approved by the pope in January but only released Thursday.

    “The supranational dimension of the economic system makes it easy to bypass the regulations established by individual countries,” the Vatican said. “The current globalisation of the financial system requires a stable, clear and effective co-ordination among various national regulatory authorities.”

    In 2011, during the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI, the Vatican responded to the then-recent financial crisis by proposing a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to regulate the international financial system.

    Pope Francis has commented often and vehemently on what he calls an “economy of exclusion and inequality” based on the “idolatry of money,” earning criticism from Catholics and others who support free-market policies, who say that the pope has underrated capitalism’s achievements in reducing poverty.

    Thursday’s document focused on ethical principles rather than specifics, but did single out for criticism the practice of debt securitisation, saying that the risky nature of such products makes them a “ticking time bomb ready sooner or later to explode.”

    The Vatican also denounced credit default swaps as “gambling on the failure of others, which is unacceptable from an ethical point of view … a kind of economic cannibalism.” A section of the document was dedicated to criticising offshore tax havens, which it said contribute to the “creation of economic systems founded on inequality,” by depriving nations of legitimate revenue, and facilitate the “recycling of dirty money” from the “mafia, war booties, etc.” Since 2010, the Vatican’s Financial Information Authority has monitored its own compliance with international standards on financial crimes, and the Vatican bank has closed thousands of accounts, often when a client’s profile didn’t conform with the bank’s stated mission to serve “works of religion.” The Council of Europe’s Moneyval committee, which evaluates anti-money-laundering measures, has praised the Vatican’s efforts to combat the issue.

    Dow Jones

    I’m guessing Pope Vlad likes equity raising, but not debt issuance. He didn’t mention what is his position on convertibles which are classified as hybrid between debt/equity. Do you go to Limbo if you issue convertible bonds? If not why not as you’re half way to debt.

    Credit default swaps, which are a way for firms to hedge against default are a no no, according to Pope Vlad.

    This is truly fucking laughable and unfuckingreal.

  3. Stimpson J. Cat

    What are the metaphysical assumptions to be acknowledged before beginning to change the oil and filters on a Hilux? Answers by tomorrow morning please.

    How many angels in the back tray leaning to one side as you are going around a corner will it take to make a Hilux roll?

  4. Makka

    The Police State in action;

    The Prime Minister copped a brutal serving at a Brisbane pub after he was served before a patron.

    Malcolm Turnbull was at the Carindale Hotel on Thursday night for a ‘politics in the pub’ event when a man became enraged as he waited for a beer.

    It is understood the pubgoer hurled abuse at the PM and stuck his finger up at Mr Turnbull from behind.

    Mr Turnbull was grabbing a beer with local Liberal MP, Rossa Vasta, at the time.

    His security detail quickly swooped on the man, believed to be in his twenties, and pushed him away.

    He was later issued with an infringement notice for failing to leave a licensed premise.

  5. DrBeauGan

    Earlier this week I said that people who deny the significance of philosophy, particularly, metaphysics, themselves, as Wittgenstein remarked in another context, are captured by a picture. Further, when they are pressed on such matters, they jettison their earlier realism, which is their go-to offensive maneuver (recall how we were told about the precision of mathematics and immediately become pragmatists on defense such that they claim we do not really know what numbers are, or what they are precise about.

    I didn’t say we do not really know what numbers are. I said that you didn’t.

    And the numeral is just a mark representing the number. Both are linguistic in different ways. When you learn to read, you are faced with marks which get turned into things having meaning. Until you get into metaphysics, when they turn into socially sanctioned bullshit.

  6. Snoopy

    It’s about time some bearded besandled bloke went through the Vatican upending tables.

  7. JC

    The little rat cops another serve for being a partisan leftist rat.

    ABC chief economics correspondent Emma Alberici’s bungled company tax story was published after she received a two-hour briefing by Australian Taxation Office Deputy Commissioner Jeremy Hirschhorn, it has been revealed.

    Why hasn’t she been booted?

  8. Chris

    What are the metaphysical assumptions to be acknowledged before beginning to change the oil and filters on a Hilux? Answers by tomorrow morning please.

    1. The frame of reference can accommodate a longitudinal axis of rotation.
    2. Friction is proportional to force of contact.
    3. Long-chain organic molecules have fun properties, especially modifynig friction between surfaces of polycrystalline arrays of elements found in the Periodic Table as metals.
    4. Actions have consequences.
    5. Everything you do, do it as for Christ.

  9. Carpe Jugulum

    Why hasn’t she been booted?

    From the ALPBC circle jerk – hahahahahahahahahahaha, good one.

  10. Myrddin Seren

    The Donald:

    Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims brought up the gang and her department’s ability to combat them: “There could be an MS-13 member that I know about” and yet can’t report to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

    Trump replied, saying in part, “These aren’t people. These are animals.”

    CNBC’s John Harwood said, “However repugnant their actions, MS-13 gang members are human beings IMHO.”

    or

    [email protected] ( A Neville Nobody )

    It doesn’t matter. Gang members are still people, and still deserve basic human decency. That’s the entire point of human rights.

    Tomorrow will be some new Outrageous Outrage – but I would like to see the Democrats run in November on a ‘Send a message to Trump about speaking harshly to MS-13 – Vote for Ze/Zir/Zim !’

    ( I followed a link to that John Harwood guy’s Twitter feed last night. The contents from all his comrades and fellow-thinkers gave me no hope that Trump Derangement Syndrome is cresting and may be abating. The outrage is escalating exponentially and will likely explode at some point ).

  11. nemkat

    The Barking Toad
    #2713781

    Any news on which Libs Dreyfus has in his sights?
    Falinski, Frodo, Ann Sudmalis , Julia Banks, Notquite Goodenough, and Abbott are obvious ones, though he said he”ll give Frodo a free pass.
    But who are the other eight?

  12. DrBeauGan

    Makka
    #2713790, posted on May 18, 2018 at 4:17 pm
    Can you lads draw a line under the philosophical,abstract,metaphysical dramas? It’s riveting stuff I know but your talents are needed elsewhere in shitcanning the filth etc. Ta.

    Fair enough. It’s getting boring anyway. I liked the comment on the metaphysical assumptions required to change the oil and filters on the hilux though. Obviously you have to believe in the existence of oil and filters, which may be why cats and dogs and cockroaches don’t do it.

  13. areff

    Cripes!

    Pope Comrade Frank.

  14. zyconoclast

    People need to stop being sentimental about jobs and activities that depend upon the use of electricity. Including Josh Frydenberg.

    In a just world Frydemburgers seat would be up for the “Super Saturday” by-elections.
    Instead the only people who seem to have been (rightly) caught out are British/NZ/ Canadian types.
    Seems like Egyptians, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, Slovenians etc are all good.

  15. C.L.

    “The supranational dimension of the economic system makes it easy to bypass the regulations established by individual countries,” the Vatican said. “The current globalisation of the financial system requires a stable, clear and effective co-ordination among various national regulatory authorities.”

    Sure. Let’s take away the supply/demand and allocative functions of world markets and place those decisions in the hands of the African and Arab-dominated United Nations. WCPGW?

  16. Chris

    Dr Beaugan, now that you are back so long in ‘civilisation’, are you still hunting better Cubans, or is it all too easy?

  17. thefrolickingmole

    “The supranational dimension of the economic system makes it easy to bypass the regulations established by individual countries,” the Vatican said. “The current globalisation of the financial system requires a stable, clear and effective co-ordination among various national regulatory authorities.”

    What is the IMF?
    https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3111&context=flr
    Why cant i hold all these regulatory bodies?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_financial_regulatory_authorities_by_country
    What is government cronyism effictively causing 1/2 of the crises in the first place?
    https://www.rba.gov.au/speeches/2009/sp-so-150409.html

    Pope Che is a nob.

  18. Snoopy

    1. The frame of reference can accommodate a longitudinal axis of rotation.
    2. Friction is proportional to force of contact.
    3. Long-chain organic molecules have fun properties, especially modifynig friction between surfaces of polycrystalline arrays of elements found in the Periodic Table as metals.
    4. Actions have consequences.
    5. Everything you do, do it as for Christ.

    Thanks Chris, I’ll keep #4 well in mind when I’m putting the sump plug back.

  19. calli

    Is money in the plate also “dung”?

  20. Dr Faustus

    The Vatican has denounced the use of offshore tax havens and financial instruments such as debt securitisations that are seen as factors behind past financial crises

    I always believed as an article of faith that the cause of the GFC was lax lending practices, sub-prime debt, and the US housing bubble. It now appears that Hell has been reimagined in the tax havens – exactly as preached by the Tax Justice Network.

  21. JC

    Mole

    He wants the IMF or an IMF like creature running the global financial system. That would mean a combo of Uncle George, Hans Blix, a couple of Russians and the rest Arabs and African SJWs running the operation.

    Can you imagine? Can you just imagine how it would function?

    Maybe the Popester has a huge long position in cryptos. With what he’s peddling, it would be the one sure way of getting Bitcoin up to a million bucks apiece.

  22. nemkat

    Egypt has got so much credibility that an unsigned assurance from the Ambassador, Abdul-a-Bulbul Emir is good enough to put Anne Aly in the clear.

  23. C.L.

    I. Cannot. Believe. Leftists fell for Trump’s MS-13 “animals” trap.
    Wait a sec. Yes I can.
    Run with it, Dems! Sure to be a winner.

  24. DrBeauGan

    Chris
    #2713811, posted on May 18, 2018 at 4:48 pm
    Dr Beaugan, now that you are back so long in ‘civilisation’, are you still hunting better Cubans, or is it all too easy?

    It’s pretty easy, Chris. Civilisation has its merits.

  25. JC

    Dr F

    Dont; take this the wrong way, but most of this thinking is a myth.

    I always believed as an article of faith that the cause of the GFC was lax lending practices, sub-prime debt, and the US housing bubble.

    There was lax lending, which with a clean up would have meant a smallish recession in the US and the likelihood that Bear Stearn and Lehman would still be around. There was no US housing bubble and in fact our real estate along with Canada and the UK witnessed higher real estate values and no collapse.

    The GFC was a western Atlantic financial crisis caused by the two major central banks derailing economies with far too tight monetary policy.

    Read this blog. This dude has done an incredible job analyzing the housing crisis in the US before and during the GFC. There are 297 blog posts on the US housing situation and I’ve read every one 🙂 Slighly boring, I know, but someone had to do it. 🙂

    http://idiosyncraticwhisk.blogspot.com.au/

  26. Snoopy

    Falinski, Frodo, Ann Sudmalis , Julia Banks, Notquite Goodenough, and Abbott are obvious ones,

    How hard is it to check the citizenship register before posting stuff like this?

  27. DrBeauGan

    Good to have you back in Godzone, Calli. Neither crocodiles nor frenzied Muslim fanatics could get our Calli.

  28. thefrolickingmole

    While looking at a related article on a shooting laid at the feet of white racists under Obama I discovered he was actually more likely to be a Democrat after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chapel_Hill_shooting

    In short 3 Muslims were brutally killed in their house by their upstairs neighbor over a parking dispute. A real attempt was made to gin it up into a racial crime, but the dog couldnt hunt.
    “Americans of all faiths and backgrounds must continue to stand united with a community in mourning and insist that no one should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.”

    According to his current wife Karen (who has also announced that she is divorcing him),[39] he did not commit the shooting due to religious bias, but because of a longstanding parking dispute,[86][87] and that he had problems with several other neighbors. She also said that Hicks supported same-sex marriage, abortion rights, and racial equality.[

    Its a textbook case of a murderous shit killing innocent people then demagogued by the Obama mob into a divisive national issue .

  29. Rae

    ABC chief economics correspondent Emma Alberici’s bungled company tax story was published after she received a two-hour briefing by Australian Taxation Office Deputy Commissioner Jeremy Hirschhorn, it has been revealed.

    Why hasn’t she been booted?

    Because Hirschhorn misinformed her?

  30. Rae

    Is money in the plate also “dung”?

    That’s the embarrassing noise if you drop a coin in the plate instead of a note.

  31. Myrddin Seren

    JC

    Read this blog. This dude has done an incredible job analyzing the housing crisis in the US before and during the GFC. There are 297 blog posts on the US housing situation and I’ve read every one 🙂 Slighly boring, I know, but someone had to do it. 🙂

    If it can’t be parsed in to a Tweet-thread of no more than 20 Tweets – it will probably fail to engage with modern attention spans 🙂

  32. Snoopy

    John Constantine
    #2712669, posted on May 17, 2018 at 7:04 am
    Remittances from Australia are the country’s unofficial Foreign Aid budget.

    Thankfully, they are of no concern according to economic theory, because the thirty billion dollars worth of notes never physically leave the country.

    Does this mean that Julie bishop is right, and that her official Joreign aid budget can exponentially increase at zero cost to the taxpayer because the money never actually leaves the country?.

    One of the transformations of the Australian economy is that now their ACTU informs us that well over a million people working in the country are on visas paying remittances, plus the remittance paying permanents imported since the decolonialisation theory became fashionable.

    The population of Melbourne has doubled, with the incurred but yet unfunded infrastructure liabilities this entails, however we now see that half of the population increase have their capacity to be economically active in the city constrained by their unofficial tax burden in the form of remittances to fund our unofficial foreign aid budget.

    Does this mean that if our official foreign aid budget pays pensions for all New Zealands pensioners, and New Zealands foreign aid budget pays pensions for all australias pensioners, then both countries have solved their unfunded pension liabilities with money that was costless, because it never really left their borders?

    Comrades?

  33. JC

    No Dextor, the ATO guy was setting her straight, you oppositional turd.
    He informed her the reason firms don’t pay current year tax is not avoidance but everything to do with things like chargeable write offs and or carried forward losses. She ignored that advice.

  34. nemkat

    How hard is it to check the citizenship register before posting stuff like this?

    They all claim to be in the clear, Snoopy, so your Citizenship Register isn’t worth 2 Bob.

  35. cohenite

    Trump is the only adult in world politics:

    Donald Trump offers Kim Jong-un guarantee: surrender nukes, stay in power

    Rhys Blakely The Times May 18, 2018

    Donald Trump offered Kim Jong-un a guarantee last night that he would remain in power if he surrendered his nuclear arsenal as doubts continued to swirl over whether the summit planned for next month would take place.

    Speaking in the Oval Office, Mr Trump appeared to make a direct appeal to the North Korean leader, assuring him that if he disarmed he would not meet the same fate as Colonel Gaddafi of Libya, who gave up his nuclear weapons in 2003, only to be toppled by a western-backed uprising in 2011. However, if the North did not relinquish its weapons, he warned, that is exactly what would happen.

    Asked if the US would offer security guarantees for Mr Kim, Mr Trump said: “I’m willing to do a lot . . . he’ll get protections that will be very strong.”

    Mr Trump added: “In Libya we decimated that country. There was no deal to keep Gaddafi.”

    He was willing to offer very different terms to North Korea. “This would be something with Kim Jong-un — he’d be there, he’d be running his country. His country would be very rich — his people are tremendously industrious,” Mr Trump said.

    “We never said to Gaddafi: ‘we’re going to give you protection, we’re going to give you military strength, all of these things . . . if we make a deal, Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy.”

    The move appears to mark a significant shift in US policy. Until now the US had not made any concrete concessions to Kim beyond agreeing to a meeting, which the North Korean leader had first sought.

    North Korea threatened this week to back out of a meeting between Mr Trump and Kim that had been set for June 12 in Singapore.

    The US, the North alleged, was trying to push Kim into the kind of “unilateral nuclear abandonment” agreed to by Gaddafi. The warning from Pyongyang came after John Bolton, the US national security adviser, said that the White House would try to apply “the Libya model” to North Korea.

    Mr Trump said last night that the North had shifted its tone towards the US after Kim recently met President Xi of China. Mr Trump suggested that Mr Xi could be trying to use North Korea as leverage in a trade deal.

    He added that preparations for the meeting with Kim were continuing. “Our people are literally dealing with them right now in terms of making arrangements — so that’s a lot different than what you read.”

    Mr Trump has repeatedly said that he is willing to walk out of talks if he feels Kim is not negotiating in good faith. He added: “Nothing has changed with North Korea that we know of. We have not been told anything . . . we’ve heard certain things from South Korea. We’ll see what happens. If the meeting happens, it happens. If it doesn’t, we go on to the next step.”

    Meanwhile, the White House press secretary said that the US military had no plans to scale down military exercises with South Korea. North Korea had objected to the drills, with North Korea’s chief negotiator calling the government in Seoul “ignorant and incompetent” and threatened to halt all talks.

    The Times

  36. Snoopy

    They all claim to be in the clear, Snoopy, so your Citizenship Register isn’t worth 2 Bob.

    It’s not the claims, it’s the attached documents. Goodenough is patently qualified.

    But hey, do a Dreyfus and spew ignorance.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Speaking of New Zealand, this guy knows all about critters with big teeth.

    New Zealand’s ‘first bloke’ fends off angry shark

    Sharks also.

  38. zyconoclast

    Falinski, Frodo, Ann Sudmalis , Julia Banks, Notquite Goodenough, and Abbott are obvious ones,

    How hard is it to check the citizenship register before posting stuff like this?

    The citizenship register is full of lies.
    Albolseazy does not list has fathers details. Just put a line though it

    Anthony Albanese’s long-held family secret

    As he rose to high political office, Anthony Albanese made a discovery that set him on a life-changing search

    IS ALBO ITALIAN? HE FAILS TO NAME HIS FATHER CARLO

  39. JC

    Dextor/Gargs

    I don’t want to scare or anything. Recently, US criminal investigation units in the US have been tracing serial killers through familial DNA analysis. You’d better fucking hope none of your distant relations, neither here or in Romania, have done one of those ancestry.com DNA tests, because if they have you’re fucked.

  40. Leigh Lowe

    He informed her the reason firms don’t pay current year tax is not avoidance but everything to do with things like chargeable write offs and or carried forward losses. She ignored that advice.

    She also tried to accuse companies of not paying tax despite “billion dollar revenues“.
    Dumb bint.

  41. And the numeral is just a mark representing the number. Both are linguistic in different ways. When you learn to read, you are faced with marks which get turned into things having meaning. Until you get into metaphysics, when they turn into socially sanctioned bullshit.

    You’re circling the drain here, DrBG, with this peculiar claim that numbers and numerals are both linguistic, but in different ways, such that numerals are a representation, but numbers are what exactly? And where is this meaning extracted from? All this effort in order to avoid the idea, concept, and its implications.

  42. Tel

    Until you get into metaphysics, when they turn into socially sanctioned bullshit.

    lol.

    You would probably enjoy Steve Patterson.

    http://steve-patterson.com/podcast/

  43. What are the metaphysical assumptions to be acknowledged before beginning to change the oil and filters on a Hilux? Answers by tomorrow morning please.

    Does anyone need to acknowledge Bernoulli’s equation before flying or traveling in a plane? No, they don’t, which is why they’re called assumptions.

  44. Snoopy

    The citizenship register is full of lies.
    Albolseazy does not list has fathers details. Just put a line though it

    Sure there are lies of omission and all of those MP’s should be pursued relentlessly. If it was up to me anyone still in doubt would be punted.

  45. JC

    Leigh

    Do you think she didn’t understand any of that stuff because she’s fucking stupid, or was the intention to write a mendacious piece? I reckon it was a combo. She is fucking stupid and also mendacious in a leftist evil sense, so she wouldn’t be able to remove herself from those afflictions and write a coherent piece.

  46. Nick

    New Zealand’s ‘first bloke’ fends off angry shark

    If he’s a Lefty: oh, such bravery to defend other, noble, sea life

    If he’s a Consevative: man assaults innocent sea creature.

  47. Snoopy

    I’m no genius but I would have thought that to have an assumption was to acknowledge it.

  48. nemkat

    So it is full of lies now, Snoopy.
    But Goodenough is in the clear.
    Is that your latest position, Snoops, or do you have others?

  49. JC

    I actually think she’s serious.

    Raelene Castle: how I plan to revive Australian rugby

    Rae, not Rae Rae as in Gargs… Raelene Castle CEO of Rugby.

    Why does the code have a female CEO?

  50. Tel

    What are the metaphysical assumptions to be acknowledged before beginning to change the oil and filters on a Hilux? Answers by tomorrow morning please.

    I could list two:
    * The manufacturer tells you to when change the oil and they probably know better than you do (argument by authority, which is not “logical” it is merely a short-cut for people looking to avoid thinking for themselves).
    * Last time you changed the oil it seemed to work, so this time probably the same thing will happen (assumption of a rational and consistent universe, which can never be proven other than tautologically since we cannot distinguish between our own failings and a universe that genuinely is inconsistent with itself).

  51. Snoopy

    Why does the code have a female CEO?

    Because Kochie was unavailable.

  52. Myrddin Seren

    Mr Trump appeared to make a direct appeal to the North Korean leader, assuring him that if he disarmed he would not meet the same fate as Colonel Gaddafi of Libya,

    Gaddafi did not have China as the guarantor of last resort – so this is a bit of Deal-making.

    Colonel Gaddafi of Libya, who gave up his nuclear weapons in 2003, only to be toppled by a western-backed uprising in 2011. ( Killary – but that is just by-the-by )

    However, if the North did not relinquish its weapons, he warned, that is exactly what would happen.

    That is indeed an interesting construct. The frame of reference is the uprising against Gaddafi, not Desert Storms 1 & 2 against Saddam. That is significant wording.

    “This would be something with Kim Jong-un — he’d be there, he’d be running his country. His country would be very rich — his people are tremendously industrious,” Mr Trump said.

    Xi, Kim, Moon of SK and The Donald all want to see NK prosper and stop being a running sore of poverty, criminality and dysfunction. Kim went to a Swiss boarding school – pretty much unlike anyone else in the DPRK leadership group. He is the only one in the country with the exposure to drive change.

    Mr Trump said last night that the North had shifted its tone towards the US after Kim recently met President Xi of China. Mr Trump suggested that Mr Xi could be trying to use North Korea as leverage in a trade deal.

    There’s that ‘deal’ word again.

    The juggling act is to get this transformation across the line ( DMZ ) without the old corruptocrats in the big hats who run the Party and the Army launching a coup-d’etat.

  53. I’m no genius but I would have thought that to have an assumption was to acknowledge it.

    An assumption is something taken for granted. You may or may not acknowledge it as the case may be.

  54. JC

    That would be the same thing, Snoops.

  55. Dr Faustus

    Read this blog. This dude has done an incredible job analyzing the housing crisis in the US before and during the GFC.

    An incredible job indeed; bookmarked for a proper study.

  56. Snoopy

    * The manufacturer tells you to when change the oil and they probably know better than you do (argument by authority, which is not “logical” it is merely a short-cut for people looking to avoid thinking for themselves).

    I’m a free-thinking rebel. I don’t change the oil according to Toyota’s recommendations. 😎

  57. Old School Conservative

    JC
    #2713851, posted on May 18, 2018 at 5:35 pm
    Why does the code have a female CEO?

    Because she was the safest pick. Rugby Australia was under enormous pressure to break free of the old boys’ network which had been in power for ages.
    Raelene had no ties to any of the existing powerbrokers and therefore her appointment deflected any criticism about maintaining the status quo.
    It’s just a pity that mistakes during her reign at the Bulldogs are only now being exposed.
    The one good thing she has done is to avoid disciplining Israel Folau because he has the right to free speech.

  58. Entropy

    JC
    #2713847, posted on May 18, 2018 at 5:29 pm
    Leigh

    Do you think she didn’t understand any of that stuff because she’s fucking stupid, or was the intention to write a mendacious piece? I reckon it was a combo. She is fucking stupid and also mendacious in a leftist evil sense, so she wouldn’t be able to remove herself from those afflictions and write a coherent piece

    Alberscreechie would have already mostly written her article and Would have been only interested in the ATO dude to the extent he could give her some colour/sound bites that supported her already set in stone narrative. Modern Journalism 101.

  59. zyconoclast

    I actually think she’s serious.

    Raelene Castle: how I plan to revive Australian rugby

    Rae, not Rae Rae as in Gargs… Raelene Castle CEO of Rugby.

    Why does the code have a female CEO?

    Raelene Castle: Five burning issues

    1. Working with the Wallabies
    2. Taking the women’s game to the next level
    3. Breaking rugby’s shackles of perception
    4. Looking across the ditch
    5. IPR still on the table

    Not once is the word winning mentioned.

    It about pathways, the right questions, equal opportunity, perceptions, diversity, working closer together, learnings, the right people.

  60. Geriatric Mayfly

    Earlier H B Bear directed us to Quadrant and another rocket up the ABC’s khyber. The lambasting also revealed what an incestuous cess pit it is. Short of people for a dinner party? Here’s your ideal list.

    Whatever else might be said of your ABC, it cannot be faulted for supporting family values, as this list of your partnered and cashed-up colleagues attests:
    Heather and Barrie,
    Virginia and Russ,
    Tony and Sarah,
    Louise and Nick,
    Ross and Samantha,
    Tracey and Stan,
    Peter and Debbie,
    Jo and Bruce,
    Brigid and Tim,
    Mike and Paula,
    Fran and Marion,
    Jessica and Nick,
    Benjamin and Scott,
    Tamina and Muhamad,
    Paul and Lisa
    Gaven and Kirsten

  61. C.L.

    Raelene Castle: how I plan to revive Australian rugby

    She’s quitting?

  62. struth

    Who was against the old boys network that had been in power for ages?

  63. DrBeauGan

    You’re circling the drain here, DrBG, with this peculiar claim that numbers and numerals are both linguistic, but in different ways, such that numerals are a representation, but numbers are what exactly? And where is this meaning extracted from? All this effort in order to avoid the idea, concept, and its implications.

    Educating you, even about relatively simple things like numbers, is a huge job, DB, and may well be impossible.

    It’s a matter of primitive undefined terms. You have a lot of them, ideas for example. You couldn’t define what an idea is in terms of more primitive entities. Meaning is another. There’s a whole raft of terms where you have no definitions, just a corpus of acceptable sentences.

    I have sets as primitive terms, with a few axioms for them. Since hardly anyone is familiar with this language, I have to do sloppy translations into English. It is complicated even further by my using a continuous valued logic to which neither you nor anyone else here has access.

    I’ve done my best to point out the obvious inconsistencies in your reasoning about the status of metaphysics,but Snoopy did it better.

    I can define a natural or counting number in terms of sets. Von Neumann did it, yonks ago. You wouldn’t understand it and probably wouldn’t see the point of doing it anyway. You think it’s an idea, which it is, but you’re happy to stop with that declaration and I don’t think you’ve said anything much. That criticism applies to too many of your pronouncements.

    In my view, the relationship between language and the world is in need of more clarity than Aristotle could provide, partly because he didn’t really know that that was what his metaphysics was all about. For you, you see, metaphysics is one more of your undefined terms. For me it’s all about the relationship between language and the world. Even that last sentence is so fluffy I cringe at leaving it, but it’s the best I can do in English.

    You assume English is capable of expressing all relevant ideas. I know it isn’t.

    Now let’s stop before Makka gets pissed off. It’s not accomplishing anything productive anyway.

  64. zyconoclast

    Fast and Furious star Jason Statham has apologised over a homophobic rant he claims he can’t remember.

    “Stop acting like a f—— fag,” Statham reportedly said. “I hate that f—— faggy shit. Talking, whispering… you guys [are] acting like a bunch of f—— faggots. If you want to tell me something, don’t wait ’til I do 15 f—— takes before you say something. Stop being a f—— fag and be more assertive.”

    Sounds like he has taken advice from Bill Shorten
    I don’t know what I said, but I disagree with it.

  65. Chris

    Br BeauGan,
    You expressed that well. Your position is becoming interesting.

  66. Dr Faustus

    Colonel Gaddafi of Libya, who gave up his nuclear weapons in 2003, only to be toppled by a western-backed uprising in 2011. ( Killary – but that is just by-the-by )

    However, if the North did not relinquish its weapons, he warned, that is exactly what would happen.

    Trying to guess the opaque and inscrutable, I suspect that Kim is presently trying to manage his internal politics. His risk may well be ending up bayonet-sodomized in a ditch, by people from his own elite, who can’t see the payoff between starving the country for 25 years of nuclear development and handing over the nukes early on the way to becoming the first President of United Korea.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    Alberscreechie would have already mostly written her article and Would have been only interested in the ATO dude to the extent he could give her some colour/sound bites that supported her already set in stone narrative. Modern Journalism 101.

    Yeah, probably right.
    She was probably hoping for a Treasury type who was going to give her some “big end of town”, “tax da rich”, and “da fairness” quotes.
    Instead it sounds like she got a dry black letter tax Deputy who refused to provide any zingers.

  68. C.L.

    Trump’s position is the correct one.
    Fat boy has to believe he has a future as a national leader.
    Eventually he’ll be toppled by his generals or his people but that’s for the future.

  69. C.L.

    As sick and tired as I am of Alberici’s boilerplate badgering of interviewees to win cheers and plaudits in the ABC canteen, I do think this carry-on is ridiculous. She’s not a surgeon who left a pair of scissors in somebody’s scone. She’s just a journo who bungled a story.

  70. H B Bear

    Anyone who expects to be treated fairly by the ALPBC is a mug. Just ask the NT Justice Minister.

  71. DrBeauGan

    Tel
    #2713842, posted on May 18, 2018 at 5:27 pm
    Until you get into metaphysics, when they turn into socially sanctioned bullshit.

    lol.

    You would probably enjoy Steve Patterson.

    http://steve-patterson.com/podcast/

    I watched some of his podcast about parts and wholes and found it embarrassing. They were playing a silly game.

  72. H B Bear

    Wrong CL.

    She is laughably the ALPBC’s “Chief Economics Correspondent” on a taxpayer funded salary somewhere north of $300k. The story passed through 2 editors and went to publication full of errors that would be inexcusable from a 1st year uni student. It’s complete bullshit.

  73. nemkat

    Looking at this alleged photo of Albanese’s parents, i’m struck by a few things.

    1. Albo’s ”father” looks nothing like him.
    2. Albo’s Ma is allegedly Irish, but i can’t see any Irish people at the ship’s dining table.
    3.The person on the right, identified as his mother, looks about 55, but according to her Birth Certificate, was born in 1936, making her 26 or 27 at the time of the photo.
    4. Albo’s ”old man” is from Bari, capital of the Calabrian badlands.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-23/anthony-albanese-search-finds-father-he-thought-was-dead/7776918
    I think we’re being sold a pup with this bloke.

  74. DrBeauGan

    Chris
    #2713869, posted on May 18, 2018 at 6:05 pm
    Br BeauGan,
    You expressed that well. Your position is becoming interesting.

    Not to Makka, I suspect.

  75. Leigh Lowe

    I agree Bear.
    This isn’t just getting the Under 15 footy scores wrong in the paper.
    She is part of a concerted campaign to fight corporate tax cuts.
    Even if there is tax-dodging going on, that has nothing to do with the level of tax rates … and that is where they are going.
    Left unchallenged, it then would have been quoted up hill and down dale on The Dumb, Q&A, in Fewfacts and on commercial TV.

  76. JC

    CL

    We got her scalp. This is a positive to for the world. Think of how many people have been forced to resign because of SJW pressure.

    Just think of the injustice the founder/ C.E.O. of Lululemon had to resign due to SJW pressure when he suggested fat chicks shouldn’t wear his firm’s gym gear because the material stretches and becomes transparent.

    Think about this next time we end up with a scalp.

  77. H B Bear

    Left unchallenged, it then would have been quoted up hill and down dale on The Dumb, Q&A, in Fewfacts and on commercial TV.

    Exactly. Just like this 80% bullshit number that say the ALPBC is the most trusted news source. Probably a Ponds Institute Essential poll or something.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    I agree JC.
    We whinge when Libs are too gutless to stand up to this shit and wave it through because their 24 year old media advisor “has concerns about attacking a respected female journalist” for “doing her job”.
    So good on Sco-Mo for giving her a kicking and not letting it go.
    Snall steps.

  79. Tintarella di Luna

    Imagine Australia without the ABC and without the inHuman Rights Commission – both these disgraceful organisations have divided our nation has sown distrust and permitted the left to gain a foothold in every institution which in the past was a pillar of respectability and decency.

  80. Geriatric Mayfly

    Candace Owens is attracting a lot of attention in the US, in the off-piste media. The usual suspects ignore her and just wish the hell she would go away. She is ruining the narrative.

  81. Chris

    Imagine Australia without the ABC and without the inHuman Rights Commission – both these disgraceful organisations have divided our nation has sown distrust and permitted the left to gain a foothold in every institution which in the past was a pillar of respectability and decency.

    Yes, and. The education system captured, the media outside the ABC 95% in the bag for the Left, and no coherent attempt to fight for a cultural baseline because there is almost no money/job reward system available except that of the captive Left.

  82. Makka

    divided our nation has sown distrust and permitted the left to gain a foothold in every institution which in the past was a pillar of respectability and decency.

    Tint, the media has blown up these issues beyond any reasonable proportion, enabling the divisiveness. People of course still go about their lives normally but the media and to a large extent Business with their oppressive, inclusive, coercive, SJW policies have ruined the country for a good many people and organisations.

    By extension this cowardly Govt that kisses leftist media arse will happily see families impoverished with it’s extortionate green inspired energy policies, happily see us live like ants to appease the caring leftists – running scared of the media if we were to cut our ridiculous immigration levels.

  83. DrBeauGan

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2713887, posted on May 18, 2018 at 6:43 pm
    Candace Owens is attracting a lot of attention in the US, in the off-piste media. The usual suspects ignore her and just wish the hell she would go away. She is ruining the narrative.

    There’s an interesting article on Candace Owens in the latest Quillette, GM. It suggests she’s just an opportunist.

    In a way, I hope she is.

  84. Stimpson J. Cat

    I have sets as primitive terms, with a few axioms for them. Since hardly anyone is familiar with this language, I have to do sloppy translations into English. It is complicated even further by my using a continuous valued logic to which neither you nor anyone else here has access.

    So you are a Goddamned Atheist Numbers Ethnic speaking incomprehensible jibber jabber to yourself for yourself?

    That’s fantastic.

    Well done.

  85. DrBeauGan

    I can probably provide a link to the quillette article if anyone cares.

  86. DrBeauGan

    So you are a Goddamned Atheist Numbers Ethnic speaking incomprehensible jibber jabber to yourself for yourself?

    Much like you, stimpy, but not so funny.

  87. H B Bear

    The pre-meditated staff capture of the then ABC by a small group of Marxists has been well documented at Quadrant. 99% of Australians would be completely oblivious to this.

  88. nemkat

    Egypt is the oldest civilisation on Earth, they were wqriting things down when we were living in holes in the ground, but:

    Anne Aly [ALP. Cowan] doesn’t know who any of her 4 Grandparents were.
    They’re Unknown, she tells the Citizenship Register.

  89. Top Ender

    Maaates in the unions or maaaates promoted to the Court benches?

    Victoria’s powerful police and ambulance workers unions have united to demand a crisis meeting with Premier Daniel Andrews where they will ask for urgent changes to mandatory sentencing legislation to make sure “jail means jail” for people who assault emergency services workers.

    More than 20,000 Victorian police, paramedics and public safety officers have aimed the blowtorch at the Premier after a County Court judge on Tuesday allowed two women found guilty of seriously assaulting two ambulance workers to escape a mandatory six-month jail sentence on appeal.

    Link

  90. Stimpson J. Cat

    Much like you, stimpy, but not so funny.

    No, nothing like me.
    I’m not an Atheist and I can’t count higher than the number of my fingers and toes.
    Also sane people and mentally ill people understand me perfectly.

    Although sometimes they ask for diagrams and I say No.

  91. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    You’re circling the drain here, DrBG, with this peculiar claim that numbers and numerals are both linguistic, but in different ways, such that numerals are a representation, but numbers are what exactly? And where is this meaning extracted from? All this effort in order to avoid the idea, concept, and its implications.

    its all representation. you are stuck in the mindset of a 18thC person, lacking the understanding to describe it all in ways that doesn’t resort to mysticism, metaphysics, directly or indirectly.

    what you are missing is computation, which is exactly a language, a dynamic language. maths is a static language. so things like ideas, concepts, representation, variables etc etc are representations held in computation.

    so philosophers and thinkers right up till the advent of the computer were stuck explaining what to us is basic stuff because they lacked anything to reference it to, ie computation. and resorted to metaphysics, mysticism etc to describe what they saw.

    Another thing they lacked understanding of and any language to describe is simulation. game playing and gedanken was probably the closest, yet the world you experience is entirely your brains simulation.

    representation is not the underlying strata of the universe, that would be meaningless. neither is metaphysics, as that is just another description of something that may or may not exist.

  92. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2713896, posted on May 18, 2018 at 7:01 pm
    This one DrBeau?

    That’s the one, Calli. Thanks.

    It’s rather a sour grapes article, but makes some good points. If Candace Owens is just an opportunist, maybe she’ll start a fashion. Then the gormless might start jumping on her bandwagon, and things will improve a little.

  93. zyconoclast

    There’s an interesting article on Candace Owens in the latest Quillette, GM. It suggests she’s just an opportunist.

    The Problem with Candace Owens

    Obviously, no one but Owens knows how genuine her professed beliefs are. But a look at her history strongly suggests that her “conservatism” is a mix of opportunism, personal grievances, canned slogans and paranoid conspiracy theories.

    Owens is a fraud.

  94. struth

    Tried to drop in on you today topender but you were not to be found at your usual abode.
    May I say it has been a while since I was last there and it is quite impressive.

  95. DrBeauGan

    what you are missing is computation, which is exactly a language, a dynamic language. maths is a static language. so things like ideas, concepts, representation, variables etc etc are representations held in computation.

    I count that as more mathematics, Zippy, but you make a good point.

    In defence of my perspective, adaptive stochastic control allows us to discuss dynamic processes outside the computer oriented framework.

  96. DrBeauGan

    Owens is a fraud.

    Even frauds have their uses, zyco.

  97. Old School Conservative

    Struth, a lot of people in Sydney, Brisbane and Perth see the running of rugby in Australia as being concentrated in the hands of Sydney private school old boys.

    The grassroots of Australian rugby, for example the Shute Shield clubs in Sydney, are overlooked in many respects. Raelene didn’t mention them in her vision of the future.

  98. DrBeauGan

    And in another twenty years, she might actually have some experience on which to base some of her ideas. Cut her some slack, she’s still young.

  99. zyconoclast

    Even frauds have their uses, zyco.

    Yes they do. Like all the fake Alt-right.
    Controlled opposition to district, deflect and delay.

  100. Myrddin Seren

    Interesting Thread

    Because I am fundamentally lazy, I am not going to do a Google deep-dive to check this assertion, However, if true, it is indeed thought provoking:

    5. The question that no one is asking : just how many ‘Trump people’ did Obama & his thugs spy on? And when did it start?

    We know that Obama LOVED spying on innocent Americans. He was illegally spying on innocent Americans, from at least 2010.

    6. We also know that the ‘2-hop’ Title 1 FISA is an extremely powerful surveillance tool, as it permits RETROACTIVE surveillance of not just all first-order contacts with the target, but also surveillance of the contacts of the first-order contacts.

    An example:
    7. Carter Page is the target of the FISA warrant in 2016.

    The crooks at FBI can surveil ALL his communication with ANYONE, going as far back as they like.

    But let’s say Page calls Sessions, or texts his (Page’s) mother.
    8. The FISA warrant ALSO lets the FBI surveil ALL of Sessions communications with ANYONE.

    And Page’s mother, too.

    As far back as they like.

    Now ask yourself : how many people were on Trump’s campaign team?
    9. According to the FEC, about 880 (on 8 October, 2016).

    130 worked on the team, 270 were RNC & some 480 were assigned to State parties.

    So at this point we can expect Mueller to push back by starting to drag everyone in the campaign before a Grand Jury for any Federal misdemeanor they can trawl.

  101. nemkat

    Linda Burney’s Mum was born 17/03/1936 in Whitton Australia, her Maternal Grandmother was born in Maryborough [Vic] in 1888 [no date], and her Maternal G/F was born in Mt. Isa [NSW] [sic] in 1902 [no date].

    So, as well as not knowing or being interested in finding out her father’s DOB, or that of her Maternal G/M, who would’ve been 48 when Burney’s mother was born, she can’t fill out a form properly, and doesn’t know where Mt. Isa is.

    The whole thing is unbeliebaBill.

  102. calli

    The sting is in the last para of that Owens article.

    My view – she told an obvious lie about her anti-bullying program. Where there’s one, there’s more.

  103. Stimpson J. Cat

    her “conservatism” is a mix of opportunism, personal grievances, canned slogans and paranoid conspiracy theories.

    That’s Conservatism INC all right.
    She’ll fit right in, assuming she becomes used to failure.

  104. Tom

    Owens is a fraud.

    The clown who satirises the Australian middle class as BeauGans is possibly the dumbest self-aggrandising idiot ever attracted to the Cat.

  105. C.L.

    Breaking news: Prince Charles will walk Meghan down the aisle.

  106. DrBeauGan

    calli
    #2713912, posted on May 18, 2018 at 7:32 pm
    The sting is in the last para of that Owens article.

    My view – she told an obvious lie about her anti-bullying program. Where there’s one, there’s more.

    I never saw her as a model of integrity, Calli. More of an empty headed kid who was trying to be an approved leftie and got pasted by other lefties. Thus teaching her something about lefties.

    She’s pretty, so we use the JC criterion. She’s a Good Thing.

  107. DrBeauGan

    Tom
    #2713914, posted on May 18, 2018 at 7:36 pm
    Owens is a fraud.

    The clown who satirises the Australian middle class as BeauGans is possibly the dumbest self-aggrandising idiot ever attracted to the Cat.

    I suppose that you’ve been up a long time today and it’s impaired your reading skills, Tom. I didn’t write that, zyconoclst did. I have been defending her.

  108. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So, as well as not knowing or being interested in finding out her father’s DOB, or that of her Maternal G/M, who would’ve been 48 when Burney’s mother was born, she can’t fill out a form properly, and doesn’t know where Mt. Isa is.

    You expect anything different from someone who began lying to Parliament, in her opening speech?

  109. nemkat

    Breaking news: Prince Charles will walk Meghan down the aisle.

    She’s been married a couple of times already, how many times can a Bride be given away?

  110. Tom

    My apologies, BeauGan. I picked the wrong idiot.

  111. DrBeauGan

    Oh, and Calli wasn’t keen on Candace either. I suggest you address your vulgarities to Calli. She’ll sort you out.

  112. Entropy

    I was hoping it would be Trump who gave her away. The meltdown would have been awesome.

  113. nemkat

    I suppose that you’ve been up a long time today and it’s impaired your reading skills, Tom. I didn’t write that, zyconoclst did. I have been defending her.

    Yeah, he did get thay wrong.
    But he was right on the substantive part: You’re a fucking clown.

  114. cohenite

    Trying to guess the opaque and inscrutable, I suspect that Kim is presently trying to manage his internal politics. His risk may well be ending up bayonet-sodomized in a ditch, by people from his own elite, who can’t see the payoff between starving the country for 25 years of nuclear development and handing over the nukes early on the way to becoming the first President of United Korea.

    Masterful wedging by the Trump.

  115. Tom

    Calli isn’t an idiot, BeauGan. Unlike you, she is a fine human — and, unlike you, smart.

  116. Stimpson J. Cat

    My own perspective on Candace Owens is much more nuanced.
    I would rather watch her than Jordan Peterson.
    And not because she’s black.
    Because she won’t tell me to clean my room.

    These are YouTube celebrities, honestly.

    Lower your expectations for f$cks sake.

  117. DrBeauGan

    Tom
    #2713925, posted on May 18, 2018 at 7:50 pm
    Calli isn’t an idiot, BeauGan. Unlike you, she is a fine human — and, unlike you, smart.

    Perhaps you should just stick to posting cartoons, Tom. You’re good at that, and it doesn’t expose your bad manners.

  118. Geriatric Mayfly

    Candace might be young and naive, and an opportunist to boot, but she seems to be ruffling feathers in the right places. For a young upstart to be telling that black war horse, Maxine Waters, to get off de ol’ plantation is not a bad swipe to open the batting.

  119. amortiser

    So what’s with Albo declaring that he doesn’t know his father? Didn’t he go on a tour of discovery to find him and succeeded? Was that really a load of bullshit to soften his image?

    He must have pondered hard on that declaration and concluded that a false statement would be worse than continuing with a lie.

  120. Frank

    DrBG,

    I’m all for the axiomatic approach to mathematics and what it has to offer. Unfortunately it proves to be a bit of a disappointment when it comes to capturing cute young things at the bar on a Friday night.

    You seem similar to a certain cigar chomping individual that taught me topology in the early oughts.

    Stimpy,

    These are YouTube celebrities, honestly.

    Lower your expectations for f$cks sake.

    Would that be higher or lower than expectations of normal celebrities?

  121. Tom

    Quite so, BeauGan. I’ll stick to the simple stuff that doesn’t expose me as an idiot.

  122. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Maths does not exist independently in some sort of platonic-like universe, waiting to be discovered.

    I suggest rather that it exists in our universe and we have discovered it through observation. It is certainly not a human construct but is found in nature (e.g. Fibonacci numbers). In fact, some scientists are now suggesting that the universe itself is a mathematical structure. That prompts the question, where does this mathematical design come from? It certainly implies a higher intelligence than anything that exists within the universe as we know it.

    not at all. maths is a made up language. we made it up. we made up the rules. we observe plurality and made up operators which describe plurality construction and deconstruction in differing patterns & relationships.

    from the rules we derive more complex relationships. the universe quite clearly tells us that it is not mathematical. this can easily be seen as we have to resort to probability to describe events. probability is also a made up language, the universe is not probabilistic. its just another accurate language to describe certain class of events that basic maths was unable to describe. people constantly make up new forms of mathematics to describe complex phenomena. calculus is an example. string theory is another. we can make up endless types of mathematics to describe things which may or may not exist. just as we can invent endless words and ideas to describe things that may or may not exist. like dragons and unicorns.

    from our point of view there is sufficient consistency in our locality of the universe such that rules can be applied with predictive power.

    just because we find something like Fibonacci in nature doesn’t mean it required a higher intelligence to generate it. All it requires is a computational process such as DNA/RNA to produce it. The recent fact that RNA can hold memory shows it is doing computation.

    computation is an active language, describing and as well as doing. it is a description of doing. because computation has rules, it is usually working towards some outcome. even this idea of an outcome does not require a higher intelligence as in the vastness of time and space, self organising structures will inevitably emerge that have self propagation as an outcome.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    I haven’t been here all day.
    Presumably mUnter has explained how Brennan’s impending criminal charges are all part of some greater plan to ensnare HRH The Donald.

  124. Stimpson J. Cat

    Would that be higher or lower than expectations of normal celebrities?

    Higher.
    YouTube celebrities know how to actually use a camera and a computer to record themselves.
    Also makeup.

  125. Gab

    So is everyone going to be watching the royal wedding tomorrow night and placing their appraisals on the Cat?

  126. Roger

    Perhaps you should just stick to posting cartoons, Tom. You’re good at that, and it doesn’t expose your bad manners.

    That’s rich.

    Tom is a much valued contributor to the Cat, BeauGan.

    You, otoh, are verging on troll status.

  127. Tom

    BREAKING: leftard lunatic opens fire at the Trump Doral Resort in West MiamI, FL, after screaming obscenities about the president. Cops say they aren’t ruling out domestic terrorism.

  128. Roger

    not at all. maths is a made up language. we made it up. we made up the rules. we observe plurality and made up operators which describe plurality construction and deconstruction in differing patterns & relationships.

    Zippy, at least try to engage with the evidence I provided, meagre as it was due to time considerations. Assertions don’t suffice.

  129. nemkat

    So what’s with Albo declaring that he doesn’t know his father? Didn’t he go on a tour of discovery to find him and succeeded? Was that really a load of bullshit to soften his image?

    Looks to be a lot of bullshit where Albo is concerned.
    He’s the bastard son of a single Irishwoman from thew wrong side of the tracks, oh, and he got a legup finding his old Dad, from his cousin, who is a diplomat at our Embassy in Rome.
    It’s all bullshit.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So is everyone going to be watching the royal wedding tomorrow night and placing their appraisals on the Cat?

    Not really, I’ll be reflecting on what fate befell the last member of the Royal Family who wanted to marry a divorced American.

  131. DrBeauGan

    Tom
    #2713931, posted on May 18, 2018 at 7:58 pm
    Quite so, BeauGan. I’ll stick to the simple stuff that doesn’t expose me as an idiot.

    I was too polite to put it that way, Tom, but I shan’t argue the point.

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    So is everyone going to be watching the royal wedding tomorrow night and placing their appraisals on the Cat?

    I imagine Pippa’s bum isn’t what it was. Maybe a new model will slink into view, which may make the effort worthwhile.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    BREAKING: leftard lunatic opens fire at the Trump Doral Resort in West MiamI, FL

    I love the police commissioner’s response:

    “These officers did not hesitate for one second to engage this individual who was actively shooting in the lobby of the hotel,” Director Juan Perez of the Miami-Dade Police, said, according to The Sun-Sentinel.

    What no hiding behind cars or trees?

    Officer involved shooting at Trump National Resort in Doral, terrorism reportedly not ruled out

  134. Tom

    So is everyone going to be watching the royal wedding tomorrow night and placing their appraisals on the Cat?

    Hell yeah, Gab! Haven’t you heard? There are wymminses’ parties in Melbourne tomorrow night for chicks wearing their wedding dresses. Insane — but culturally necessary for our civilisation.

  135. cohenite

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    #2713932, posted on May 18, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    Very interesting. This discussion about description and interpretation of the Universe sometimes conflates purpose (ie a higher being) with function (ie a purposeless complexity). But even the notion of function is always incomplete because we don’t know if the Universe is functioning or is broken.

  136. Gab

    I’ll be reflecting on what fate befell the last member of the Royal Family who wanted to marry a divorced American.

    Yes, I’ve thinking how this betrothal has the same feel to it. The circumstances are different, of course, but there’s something about it that reminds me of Edward and Simpson after they were married.

  137. DrBeauGan

    Roger
    #2713939, posted on May 18, 2018 at 8:08 pm
    not at all. maths is a made up language. we made it up. we made up the rules. we observe plurality and made up operators which describe plurality construction and deconstruction in differing patterns & relationships.

    Zippy, at least try to engage with the evidence I provided, meagre as it was due to time considerations. Assertions don’t suffice.

    Roger, Zippy is trying to put you straight, and if you knew the first thing about the subjects on which you feel entitled to pontificate, you might learn something.

    That’s not trolling, by the way. Lack of patience, perhaps. I’ve been up since four too.

  138. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No Christian prays for someone to go to Hell. They pray for them to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    That’s what I’ve always believed, and have found to be the case. For instance, my staunch Pentecostal friend thinks I may not yet be beyond redemption and answers my questions about her religion honestly and frankly. I try to understand what she believes and she prays that one day I will join her. Meantime, we have fun together, party together and like and dislike the same movies together. My Catholic friends don’t give a damn, religion is theirs to get on with, and we never discuss it.. They know I am anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage for my own reasons. In fact, one of them voted ‘Yes’ for the gays because equality, and I had a few words with her about what else might be involved.

  139. 132andBush

    So is everyone going to be watching the royal wedding tomorrow night and placing their appraisals on the Cat?

    Only if the scenery is the same as last time!

  140. Leo G

    Egypt is the oldest civilisation on Earth, they were wqriting things down when we were living in holes in the groung…

    Sumerians were writing things down in proto-cuneiform when Egyptians were living in holes in the ground.

  141. DrBeauGan

    Sumerians were writing things down in proto-cuneiform when Egyptians were living in holes in the ground.

    And where are they now?

  142. Gab

    It wouldn’t be the Cat without the male appreciation of female bottoms 😀

  143. struth

    The way Australians want to distance themselves from the poms at every opportunity yet go silly about royal weddings is undeniable proof that the country is overflowing with chronic hypocritical wankers and
    That masterbation is truly Australia’s national pass time.

  144. Roger

    Roger, Zippy is trying to put you straight

    In that case, something more than mere assertions is required.

  145. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yes, I’ve thinking how this betrothal has the same feel to it. The circumstances are different, of course, but there’s something about it that reminds me of Edward and Simpson after they were married.

    For my money, it’s the knowledge that, barring a catastrophe, Harry will never be King.

  146. nemkat

    Tanya Plibersek: Another one who knows not much about any of her Grandparents.
    Her Maternal G/M was born in 1899, G/F in 1902, no dates for either, no years or dates for her Paternal G/Ps.
    All 4 born in the Austro Hungarian Empire, which ceased in 1918.
    Her husband was born in the U.K.. Parents born in 1932 in Yugoslavia.

    Dodgy as fuck.

  147. Roger

    Good Lord: *are required*. My English teacher will be rolling in his grave!

  148. zyconoclast

    He must have pondered hard on that declaration and concluded that a false statement would be worse than continuing with a lie.

    Pounding hard in a Thai brothel more like it.

  149. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Zippy, at least try to engage with the evidence I provided, meagre as it was due to time considerations. Assertions don’t suffice.

    perhaps you should re-read what I wrote and you’ll find I did. Nowhere did anyone discover the Calabi–Yau manifold, it is entirely an invention. An invention that someone hopes is a more accurate description of reality than other descriptive inventions.

    there is always a set of axioms or suppositions and rules in any form of language or mathematics. change the axioms or the pre-sups or rules and you get something vastly different.

    invention on the other hand is the rearrangement of things in novel ways. maths is an invention not a discovery. we don’t discover the axioms and rules we choose them, sometimes based on observation sometimes not.

  150. struth

    No is required because you said something.
    Not plural.

    Ask me.
    All cats no im fergin grate at inglish.

  151. C.L.

    Not really, I’ll be reflecting on what fate befell the last member of the Royal Family who wanted to marry a divorced American.

    There is scope for that comparison but it is limited.
    I think Meghan is probably quite charming but, more importantly, she is capable of dealing with the insanity of the spotlight. She is also far more experienced than Harry, which would have been a factor in their courtship, methinks. I don’t see any other Wallace-like traits. And Harry is no Edward VIII. Edward was, according to all of the sources, borderline retarded and one of the most boring human beings to ever live.

  152. John Constantine

    Halfwits that attack ambos should be locked in stocks for public amusement.

    That said, did the ambos of yarragrad eternally diminish themselves in the underclasses view when they started driving ambulances around with crayon scrawl all over them, scrawl that reduced them to appearing needy and whining and vunerable in the ferals eyes?.

  153. DrBeauGan

    Edward was, according to all of the sources, borderline retarded and one of the most boring human beings to ever live.

    Meghan has a long way to go to ginger up the royal family gene pool.

  154. nemkat

    Sumerians were writing things down in proto-cuneiform when Egyptians were living in holes in the ground.
    They were?

    New updated Citizenship Register for ALP MPs: Parents Place and Date of Birth:
    1. Sumerian Empire
    2. Unknown

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    It wouldn’t be the Cat without the male appreciation of female bottoms 😀

    I knew someone looked at my female Kylo Ren post.

  156. John Constantine

    Pope Francis – A Man of his Word

    New movie.

    Theoretically, what happens if they manage to clone a Neanderthal from genesequencing and Pope Francis baptises her?. Does she become the first Neanderthal in heaven?.

    Just asking for a friend.

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And Harry is no Edward VIII. Edward was, according to all of the sources, borderline retarded and one of the most boring human beings to ever live.

    Harsh, but fair. I’m also remembering “Duff” Cooper’s opinion of Wallis Simpson – “Hard as nails, and she doesn’t love him.”

  158. H B Bear

    The only thing worse than modern ALPFL footy is ALPFL footy played in driving rain. Removes any doubt from what was threatening to be a crappy match. They should just turn the lights off and bank the carbon credits.

  159. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It wouldn’t be the Cat without the male appreciation of female bottoms 😀

    indeed

  160. DrBeauGan

    Theoretically, what happens if they manage to clone a Neanderthal from genesequencing and Pope Francis baptises her?. Does she become the first Neanderthal in heaven?.

    Just asking for a friend.

    Only if she believes that her salvation is in Christ, if I understand Roger correctly.

  161. cohenite

    Pounding hard in a Thai brothel more like it.

    Shagger Thompson set the standard.

  162. Slayer of Memes

    Anyone got the popcorn?

    Transgender Woman Sues Waxing Spa After Muslim Employee Declined Service for Religious Reasons

    A transgender woman who was born male has filed a complaint against a Canadian beauty waxing spa after a female Muslim employee declined service over religious reasons.

    The complaint was brought before the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario against Mad Wax of Windsor in response to a female Muslim employee who was opposed to touching a biologically male body.

    Carruthers, president and CEO of Mad Wax Windsor Camp Inc., released a statement last week, confirming he had received the complaint and that he respects the religious beliefs of his employees.

    “All clients regardless of sex, gender, gender identity or sexual orientation are welcome,” stated Carruthers, as quoted by CTV News. “However, we also welcome staff members and respect their religious beliefs and feelings of safety and dignity in regards to the right not to perform waxing services on males or male genitals.”

    Ray Colautti, attorney for Carruthers, echoed the CEO’s comments about the need to respect the beliefs of the staff and that no one else was available to perform the waxing.

    “[Mad Wax] respects its own staff and religious beliefs and feelings of safety and dignity in regards to the right in not performing waxing services that they don’t feel comfortable providing,” stated Colautti, as quoted by iheartradio.ca.

    According to the complaint, the transgender individual, who has remained anonymous, contacted Mad Wax in March for an appointment.

    However, the professional hair removal company declined service, noting that the staffer who does male hair removal was on sick leave while the only other staffer who did body waxes was a Muslim woman who refused physical contact with any males she was not related to.

    The unnamed transgender woman is suing the company for $50,000 as compensation for what the complaint identified as “immense harm to her dignity.”

    In recent years, many western countries have found themselves with increased litigation centered on whether businesses can refuse to perform certain services over sincerely-held religious beliefs.

    News of the complaint against Mad Wax and its Muslim employee come as many in the United States await a decision from the Supreme Court over whether it was lawful for a Colorado-based cake shop to refuse to make a cake for a same-sex wedding.

    The case is known as Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission and oral arguments were held last December. The pending decision is expected to influence several other cases across the U.S.

  163. Entropy

    Hell yeah, Gab! Haven’t you heard? There are wymminses’ parties in Melbourne tomorrow night for chicks wearing their wedding dresses. Insane — but culturally necessary for our civilisation.

    Husbands are lucky chaps:
    1 their wives still fit their wedding dress
    2 they will definitely get lucky tomorrow night.

  164. DrBeauGan

    The unnamed transgender woman is suing the company for $50,000 as compensation for what the complaint identified as “immense harm to her dignity.”

    What dignity?

  165. Leo G

    Sumerians were writing things down in proto-cuneiform when Egyptians were living in holes in the ground.

    And where are they now?

    They could be all round us. The was a project in 2014-15 to recover DNA from a group of 6500 year-old Sumerian skeletons recovered in the 1930s. I don’t know if the project succeeded.
    In any case, possibly the oldest known civilisation (evidenced by 12000 year old artifacts and ruins at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey) appears to have lived in holes in the ground.

  166. DrBeauGan

    It wasn’t clear from the article, but lying down, pulling down yer jocks, pulling up yer dress and begging for a thorough depilation of yer bollocks ain’t exactly dignified.

  167. cohenite

    Transgender Woman Sues Waxing Spa After Muslim Employee Declined Service for Religious Reasons

    Kudos to the thingabob for having the whatever to have a shot at the muzzie.

  168. Slayer of Memes

    BREAKING: leftard lunatic opens fire at the Trump Doral Resort in West MiamI, FL, after screaming obscenities about the president. Cops say they aren’t ruling out domestic terrorism.

    Havent seen mUnty since the news about brennan’s charges dropped….

    How long is a flight from Tullamarine to Florida?

  169. DrBeauGan

    I watched a video of the gobekli tepe site, Leo. Fabulous stuff.

  170. DrBeauGan

    Kudos to the thingabob for having the whatever to have a shot at the muzzie.

    Kudos to both of them, Cohenite. I only wish they’d settle it with a battle to the death instead of a court case.

  171. Oh come on

    New ABC spin on the Mueller witch hunt: it’s all just a great big slapstick farce (with the joke being on Trump, of course). The Benny Hill of journalism (minus the quaint charm), Zoe Daniels, even included a bit at the end titled “What I’m reading and watching”. Self-indulgent much?

  172. Tom

    Another million votes for Trump as Demorats and media defend MS-13 gang violence against Americans:

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump · 13m13 minutes ago
    Fake News Media had me calling Immigrants, or Illegal Immigrants, “Animals.” Wrong! They were begrudgingly forced to withdraw their stories. I referred to MS 13 Gang Members as “Animals,” a big difference – and so true. Fake News got it purposely wrong, as usual!

  173. C.L.

    Transgender Woman Sues Waxing Spa After Muslim Employee Declined Service for Religious Reasons

    Let’s send this one to the SJW Computer …

  174. John Constantine

    https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20180518/pdf/43v402848tqmhm.pdf

    APX appen is a billion dollar company, and I never had the confidence to pile onto it.

    Multi-trillion dollar disruptive impacts from machine learning and AI, right up until it becomes full Skynet.

    The data to learn from is the prime foundation, and any attempt by an individual to remove their data from machine learning corrupts the process.

    This is posted from their asx not as a share punt, but as an indication of what is happening, how fast, and how they have to go full social justice knobjockey to keep their creepy social licence to operate.

    Comrades.

  175. Snoopy

    New ABC spin on the Mueller witch hunt: it’s all just a great big slapstick farce

    I suspect Roscoe Whalan is a nom de plume of Monty’s. He’s a journalist donchaknow and has been very busy of late.

  176. Oh come on

    Lead story at abc.net.au/news:

    Prince Charles to walk Meghan Markle down the aisle

    The ABC couldn’t resist having a bob both ways with this piece mocking the whole shebang, albeit rather gutlessly burying it several stories below.

  177. feelthebern

    Catching up on the thread.
    Quite intellectual today.
    Very cerebral.
    Well done Cats.
    Apart from you Zippy.
    The Cat isn’t that kind of place.

  178. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    invention on the other hand is the rearrangement of things in novel ways. maths is an invention not a discovery. we don’t discover the axioms and rules we choose them, sometimes based on observation sometimes not.

    and we choose the axioms and rules based on usefulness. multiplication is a useful shortcut for repeated addition. did we discover something out in the real world that does arbitrary multiplication? not that I am aware of. only a man made device like a calculator does it.

    religious people like to always try to find something spiritual or mystical somewhere that is beyond description. they are always looking for the miracle to prove the faith.

    maths as a discovery is one of those. the only thing we discover is the outcome of the combination of axioms and rules we chose. to do this we have to go through the process, ie engage in computation and Turing showed it is not possible to predict in advance exactly how this will play out for all forms of computation on all possible inputs (the halting problem). that is not to say they pre-exist as some creation in the mind of god ready to be discovered. but that the only way to see what is going to happen in the computation is to go through it for as many unique cases as we can identify. that in no way provides any evidence for any higher intelligence.

  179. Snoopy

    New ABC spin on the Mueller witch hunt: it’s all just a great big slapstick farce

    Or maybe Zoe’s kids have been mucking around with her computer. Naughty playful scamps.

  180. feelthebern

    John Constantine.
    Always be wary of company management that wears turtlenecks.
    Just sayin’.

  181. Gab

    Transgender Woman Sues Waxing Spa After Muslim Employee Declined Service for Religious Reasons

    Prediction: Muslim still on top of totem pole.

  182. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The Cat isn’t that kind of place.

    admit it, you pressed play, didn’t you

  183. feelthebern

    No zippy.
    I’ve already seen it…

  184. cohenite

    Kudos to both of them, Cohenite. I only wish they’d settle it with a battle to the death instead of a court case.

    Interesting. How would they approach it and what weapons would they have. If the muzzie went blowie does that count as a victory? Ah, who’d care.

  185. Oh come on

    One of the very few insightful observations I have heard from Milo Yiannopoulos was his comment that if you’re a bloke and you haven’t called a mate a “fucking cocksucking faggot” within the last month or so, you probably aren’t very good mates.

  186. C.L.

    Ten News this evening packaged the royal wedding with a report about two old queens who will “marry” tomorrow. The attempts by the virtue-signalariat to make these laughable couplings seem normal (like real weddings) continue to be strained and overly earnest, however thickly they lay on cliches about “tying the know,” the “big day” and “popping the question.”

  187. Gab

    Candace Owens – very clever girl.

  188. Infidel Tiger

    Bill Shorten has called for Malcolm Turnbull to ban alcohol from his political events after a Brisbane man was fined for allegedly yelling abuse at the Prime Minister and giving him “the finger’’ at a Brisbane pub last night.

    Fuck I hate this country’s politicians.

    Do we deserve this?

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ban-the-beer-bill-shorten-tells-pm-after-man-gives-him-the-finger/news-story/323cc7666e1222a9ab9a67078ade0e3a

  189. Tom

    Prediction: Muslim still on top of totem pole.

    Trannie faggots have nowhere near the value of moozley terrorists in enforcing leftist ideology. Sorry, trannies: you should have thought of this before you enlisted yourself as cannon fodder in the campaign to strip us of our basic liberties.

  190. Infidel Tiger

    Candace Owens – very clever girl.

    Yep. Hated by the left, the alt right and the NeverTrump crew.

    Saucy little number too.

  191. John Constantine

    Their shorten has gone from the nerd behind the bar, serving the cute chicks double shots, to the wowser calling for prohibition.

    Once the lap band constricted his gullet, shorten could only sip at his pots and the chance to do a hawkie skoll was denied him.

    [ does this mean shortfilth has to condemn the hawke pot of beer skoll?.]

    Comrades?.

  192. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bill Shorten has called for Malcolm Turnbull to ban alcohol from his political events

    Set the trend unbelievaBILL . No grog and the July Labor conference. Less danger then of rapes as well.

  193. DrBeauGan

    C.L.
    #2714006, posted on May 18, 2018 at 9:26 pm
    Ten News this evening packaged the royal wedding with a report about two old queens who will “marry” tomorrow. The attempts by the virtue-signalariat to make these laughable couplings seem normal (like real weddings) continue to be strained and overly earnest, however thickly they lay on cliches about “tying the know,” the “big day” and “popping the question.”

    Doesn’t the romance of it all bring a tear to your eye, CL? 😁

  194. Oh come on

    I first saw Candace Owens on Dave Rubin’s show when when she described herself as “Red Pill Black”. She was very open about the fact that she was still figuring out what she believed in, etc.

    She’s learnt fast.

  195. jupes

    Bill Shorten has called for Malcolm Turnbull to ban alcohol from his political events after a Brisbane man was fined for allegedly yelling abuse at the Prime Minister and giving him “the finger’’ at a Brisbane pub last night.

    Wow. Ban alcohol!

    Can you imagine any other time in Australia’s history when a politician would even contemplate making such a stupid call and expect to be elected?

    Yet, sadly, here we are.

  196. Infidel Tiger

    Black America is up for grabs.

    All you need is a few change agents.

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten has called for Malcolm Turnbull to ban alcohol from his political events after a Brisbane man was fined for allegedly yelling abuse at the Prime Minister and giving him “the finger’’ at a Brisbane pub last night.

    I can hear Bob Hawke, gargling with rage, from here…

  198. Some History

    Breaking news: Prince Charles will walk Meghan down the aisle.

    Simbly marvelous, what. Mummy will be so happy.

    https://imgur.com/2SkxSaP

  199. DrBeauGan

    Bill Shorten has called for Malcolm Turnbull to ban alcohol from his political events after a Brisbane man was fined for allegedly yelling abuse at the Prime Minister and giving him “the finger’’ at a Brisbane pub last night.

    That’s an argument for getting the entire electorate pissed.

  200. Oh come on

    the NeverTrump crew.

    Doesn’t a “crew” infer there’s more than one member? There’s Bill Kristol and…

  201. John Constantine

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/business/agriculture/live-sheep-export-wa-farmers-say-government-intervention-would-risk-wa-industry-ng-b88839816z

    Live export sheep review says the trade can keep going if the arabs treat the sheep better than they treat their own peasants.

    West Australian sheep prices under pressure now, got offered the first serious motivated seller W.A. sheep this week. Not too cheap, but keenly priced.

    dunno how to mention this, but the mob offered was by a bloke announcing he was going to curfew the mob one day, shear them the next, then run them straight onto a truck hot off shears consigned to the eastern states,

    Legal, but fraught with potential for disaster.

  202. Oh come on

    Can you imagine any other time in Australia’s history when a politician would even contemplate making such a stupid call and expect to be elected?

    Generally, I agree, but wowserism as political grandstanding is nothing new. Don’t forget that pubs had to close at 6pm when WW1 kicked off because…well…we were at war and why should pubs open past 6pm? Of course, the 6 o’clock closing time lasted far, far longer than the the First World War and even the Second.

  203. sdfc

    Zippy

    and we choose the axioms and rules based on usefulness. multiplication is a useful shortcut for repeated addition. did we discover something out in the real world that does arbitrary multiplication? not that I am aware of. only a man made device like a calculator does it.

    what the hell is that supposed to mean?

  204. jupes

    Breaking news: Prince Charles will walk Meghan down the aisle.

    As much as I dislike Charles, I give him kudos for this.

    His son’s bride is going through a very public hell with her dysfunctional family, so as the next king of England he is showing her his support and approval.

    Good on him.

  205. Gab

    In one clip I saw, Owens admits she too was fooled by Obama and bought in the hysteria because of Obama;s skin colour but says she will never ever again vote based on someone’s skin colour or gender.

  206. DrBeauGan

    what the hell is that supposed to mean?

    Best of luck explaining it, Zippy. Where you start I have no idea.

  207. Some History

    Breaking news: Prince Charles will walk Meghan down the aisle.

    Can’t see Charles walking straight from the door to the altar. He’s going to make a few stops, Meghan in tow, along the way to mingle with “the folks” with some vacuous intercourse…. “are you enjoying the sunshine, ha ha?”, “don’t you just love these old buildings?”

  208. DrBeauGan

    In one clip I saw, Owens admits she too was fooled by Obama and bought in the hysteria because of Obama;s skin colour but says she will never ever again vote based on someone’s skin colour or gender.

    I saw that too, Gab. On Turning Point, I think. I hope it is a turning point, we need one.

  209. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    maths as a discovery is one of those. the only thing we discover is the outcome of the combination of axioms and rules we chose.

    even basic arithmetic is not something we discovered but something we invented. whole numbers may be obvious, but what the hell are negative numbers? where in the universe to do we find a real negative number? it is just a rule we invented because we like symmetry. if we take 5 away from 4 then we call it -1. but in the real world you can’t take 5 away from 4. you don’t get -1 cats, you get stuck at zero. -1 cats is a pure invention.

    division is just repeated subtraction but what does dividing by zero mean? is it infinity? is it zero? is it undefined? could be any of those. its not possible to discover this answer because there is no answer. so we chose a rule for dividing by zero depending on what use we want to put this to. generally we say its undefined, but we could just as easily say it is zero or infinity.

    maths is an invented language.

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Live export sheep review says the trade can keep going if the arabs treat the sheep better than they treat their own peasants.

    Not sorry to be out of it all. Too many social justice warriors, behind their keyboards, “granting you a social license to farm” and “partners in setting ethical standards, in your farming enterprise” and no idea that farming is a business, the same as any other business – you need to make a profit to continue.

  211. John Constantine

    In north korea, if nork president Kim cloned himself a hundred times, would all the clones have souls?.

    Could a clone of Adolf go to heaven?.

    Of Stalin?

    Of Soros?

    Comrades?.

  212. Oh come on

    but in the real world you can’t take 5 away from 4.

    Ummmmm yes you can. I lend you four dollars on the condition you pay me back five.

  213. mc

    but in the real world you can’t take 5 away from 4. you don’t get -1 cats, you get stuck at zero. -1 cats is a pure invention.

    You don’t happen to work for treasury do you?

  214. Oh come on

    Zippy, that is a really, really bad rabbit hole to fall down (even worse than your ‘you can’t handle a real white woman’ one). You will end up arguing that any abstract concept has negligible value.

  215. pete m

    great game of footy tonight broncos over roosters

    had head leading tackles, 2 solo efforts to win the game, crazy flick passes and lead changes galore.

    Nice to see young ones doing well.

  216. max

    A woman – “royal expert” – this morning on BBC berated the handlers at Kensington Palace, and Meghan and Harry, over their management of the Markle family issue.

    Why didn’t Harry meet with Mr Markle when he was in LA recently ? Meghan ‘has made millions’ from her acting career. Her Dad is basically destitute in Mexico. Why hasn’t she helped him out ? Harry and Meghan are at fault for not getting on the front foot more and anticipating that this would become media fodder. They are wrapped in a narcissistic bubble. She was suggesting that the various handlers at the various palaces are uncoordinated and that the more experienced hands at CHQ (Windsor ?) have been asleep at the wheel.

    She was pretty scathing. Thought the whole thing was an embarrassing disgrace.

  217. sdfc

    even basic arithmetic is not something we discovered but something we invented.
    Maybe you can explain that wacky statement for me Dr.

  218. DrBeauGan

    Could a clone of Adolf go to heaven?.

    Of Stalin?

    Of Soros?

    Sure, the lot of them, provided they declared that Jesus Christ was their saviour. Ask Roger.

  219. Leo G

    New ABC spin on the Mueller witch hunt: it’s all just a great big slapstick farce

    A crossfire hurricane perhaps- a tempest of conflicting claims and forces?

  220. Dan Dare

    Dr BeauGan
    I thought Harry’s father did ginger up the Royal gene pool.

  221. Oh come on

    A crossfire hurricane

    Yeah wtf is it with that?

    I was bawn/in a crossfire hurricane

    Melodrama much? Overbilling the mission just a tad?

    As far as I’m concerned, a Crossfire is a rubbish Chrysler coupe shit box.

  222. Oh come on

    Why not call it ‘Operation Our Wing-Wangs Are Engorged And Ginormous’?

    Wankers.

  223. jupes

    Her Dad is basically destitute in Mexico. Why hasn’t she helped him out ?

    Yeah sure. What a bitch.

    On the other hand families aren’t easy. Who knows what went on between her and her dad?

  224. 2dogs

    even basic arithmetic is not something we discovered but something we invented.

    What was invented is the symbolic language of mathematics. But as Gauss observed, when developing mathematical proofs, the concepts come first, and then the symbols are created with which to express them. The concepts are discovered.

  225. C.L.

    Victoria’s powerful police and ambulance workers unions have united to demand a crisis meeting with Premier Daniel Andrews where they will ask for urgent changes to mandatory sentencing legislation to make sure “jail means jail” for people who assault emergency services workers.

    Funny how they’re perfectly OK about jail not meaning jail when unarmed civilians are concerned.

  226. cohenite

    Negative numbers have practical application. I know a family law lawyer who uses them every day.

  227. DrBeauGan

    Maybe you can explain that wacky statement for me Dr.

    OK, I’ll try.

    Once upon a time, there was a bright lad whose job it was to watch the sheep when they were grazing and bring them back in the evening. It was really important that he didn’t leave any behind, and this was tricky, because they wandered all over the place. He hit on an ingenious idea for keeping track of them: he carved little copies of them out of twigs, scraping the bark off to make the tokens look more like sheep. When a sheep went out of sight, he hid its wooden copy behind a stone. If it reappeared, he put it back in plain sight. When it was time to go home, he knew exactly which sheep to hunt for.

    One day he moved the wrong carved sheep by mistake, since they weren’t very good carvings. He was very worried by this, because he had a vague feeling that his method worked because of a magical affinity between the carvings and the sheep. To his great relief, the system still worked.

    Then he got some more sheep and needed to carve some more twigs. This time, he figured he didn’t need to be so careful in his carving. And it still worked. But he stll cut the bark off.

    In bed that night he thought long and hard. He reasoned that if a barkless bit of wood could represent a sheep, then a twig with the bark still on could represent a twig with the bark cut off. And hence a sheep. So, trusting to thought, when he got even more sheep, he cut a twig for each new sheep, but didn’t bother to strip the bark off. And blimey, thought proved itself again, and it still worked.

    What the lad was doing when he thought in bed at night was mathematics. Later mathematicians discovered you didn’t need twigs, pebbles would do, as long as you were clear about which pebbles represented sheep, and which were just hanging around being pebbles. And further down the track, they found that just names would do.

    The thought that twigs didn’t have to be carved to look like individual sheep and didn’t need to have the bark cut off is what we call in the trade simplifying the model by doing mathematics. The verification that the simplified model still worked is checking that your reasoning is correct.

    This is the origin of counting things. Arithmetic came later, but the process is pretty much the same.

  228. cohenite

    Funny how they’re perfectly OK about jail not meaning jail when unarmed civilians are concerned.

    The US is the only Western nation which has strong opposition to the notion citizens cannot defend themselves. Police reserving that right is part and parcel of their demand for extra punishment for those who assault them as opposed to the punters. And don’t forget police have no duty of care to protect the citizenry.

  229. Oh come on

    I like that, Dr B.

    But Zippy has never owed (or been owed) a quantifiable debt of any kind so of course negative numbers are some kind of mathematical alchemy.

    Sorcery! Sorcery! Burn the witch!

  230. sdfc

    I can’t even say nice try about that explanation Doc. If he has twenty sheep in a pen and one takes off, he has 19 left whether he can count to twenty or not.

  231. C.L.

    James “Jimmy the Jet” Roberts’ try against the Roosters tonight was reminiscent of the SR-71 Blackbird. An electrifying show of speed from the fastest man in the NRL. He doesn’t burn his opposite number. He burns the entire opposing team.

    Video.

  232. Leigh Lowe

    Bill Shorten has called for Malcolm Turnbull to ban alcohol from his political events after a Brisbane man was fined for allegedly yelling abuse at the Prime Minister and giving him “the finger’’ at a Brisbane pub last night.

    Keep the piss at political events.
    Give Trumble and Pieman the arse.

  233. jupes

    Someone had to do it.

    Indeed.

    However you are six days too early. Wait and we will give that song it’s proper due.

  234. Some History

    Palestinian victims of Israel who aren’t really dead

    Oh, dear…

  235. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    More use of negative numbers: Palestinian victims of Israel who aren’t really dead:

    Palliwood strikes again.

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