Wednesday Forum: May 23, 2018

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  1. None

    I was advocating for schools to be included in that Royal Commission and in particular state schools because they are in the top 3 if not the top place of institutionalised child sex abuse.

  2. Tintarella di Luna

    Oh the gnashing of teeth and the lamentations to high heaven from the ALP in relation to the by-elections being held is music to my ears except for the discordance of the coincidence of it all. Just amazing.

  3. Tel

    This is outright stupid. A Twitter person is free to rant and rave to their friends. Free speech doesn’t mean you have a right to tell someone to go fuck themselves and expect them to have to hear it.

    Everyone using the Twitter platform already understands that users are allowed to block on another. They have already agreed to accept those rules when they go there.

    Unless this judge can demonstrate that Trump’s account should follow different rules to everyone else, this is simply a nuisance ruling that will slow things down. Using process to consume people’s time and resources.

  4. Tintarella di Luna

    I was advocating for schools to be included in that Royal Commission and in particular state schools because they are in the top 3 if not the top place of institutionalised child sex abuse.

    Perhaps the Royal Commission should be re-opened on the strength of just one high school featured in the Australian’s Teacher’s Pet series.

  5. Tintarella di Luna

    I remember being at home with my infant son in 1985 and listening to an interview on the ABC – it was a lesbian school teacher from up Byron Bay way talking about/defending her preying on young school girls in her charge. Oh well I guess the 80s were something else but given that the prosecutions over offences going back 40 years or more.

  6. Gab

    C.L.
    #2719471, posted on May 25, 2018 at 12:33 am
    My prediction: the meeting will take place.

    I tend to agree. Trump is playing the long game. This is what a negotiation process looks like. It’s rhythm is like a bulerias.

  7. Farmer Gez

    I’m still annoyed that a girl I was keen on in Form 6 had a relationship with a teacher instead of me.
    I don’t know when the relationship started but as students we knew it was wrong.
    My revenge was bagging the Mormon exchange students from the US. Now that took some effort!

  8. Mother Lode

    I just saw OCO’s link to that scatterbrain Pelosoi,

    This is the state of the Democrat party – its leading lights dimming by the day.

    Bumbling dotards insisting on being the public face of ‘progress’. (Well, progressivism is, in fact, not a new breath of fresh air but dusty grey musty cellar beneath the mansion of a very old, once illustrious family.)

    The Hilderbeest, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Comrade Sanders, Plugs Biden – the whole lamentable coterie should in a wing of a white house, just not the White House. They would be better suited to one of those austere ones with the sterile rooms, which sits grandly but calmly like a nurse dressed in white in the midst of sprawling gardens where they can be wheeled out, dead-eyes, drooling from one corner of their mouth.

    But I suppose it is the way the party works: Build up favours, get dirt on each other, build a power base – the people who have been there the longest will be the ones with the most power – they are the ones who never get tossed out.

    The only ones left.

  9. zyconoclast

    Canadian taxes at work

    ‘I’m finally home’: Frostbitten asylum seeker wins case to stay in Canada
    Seidu Mohammed walked across the U.S.-Canada border to Emerson, Man., last Christmas Eve

    A Ghanaian asylum seeker who lost his fingers to frostbite while crossing into Manitoba from the U.S. on Christmas Eve has won his case to stay.

  10. nemkat

    Perhaps the Royal Commission should be re-opened on the strength of just one high school featured in the Australian’s Teacher’s Pet series.

    Big difference.
    These were 15 & 16 y.o. girls who were up for it, just a bit green.
    The R.C. examined thousands of revolting cases of young boys abused in Catholic and Protestant care.
    The victims who gave evidence went back to the 1940s, but the question remains:
    How long had this been going on for?
    Decades? Or centuries?

  11. zyconoclast

    Netherlands: 1,400 Underage Dutch Girls Forced into S3x Slavery Each Year by ‘Migrant Background’ Males

    These men are mostly Moroccans, Turks, Caribbeans, and Roma. The lion’s share of them have a migrant background,” said Gideon van Aartsen from Watch Nederland, an initiative which coordinates with the nation’s police on efforts to fight child s3xual exploitation (CSE).

  12. zyconoclast

    Oxford faces anger over failure to improve diversity among students

    Figures show one in four of colleges failed to admit a single black British student each year between 2015 and 2017

  13. nemkat

    Netherlands: 1,400 Underage Dutch Girls Forced into S3x Slavery Each Year by ‘Migrant Background’ Males
    If it’s happening in Amsterdam, it’s probably happening in Sydney too.

    Instead of raking over old coals from 40 years ago, maybe The Oz and Hedley Thomas ought to investigate the present.

  14. zyconoclast

    A GOP business donor from the high-immigration, Democrat-dominated state of Illinois is threatening to defund GOP legislators who do not support an amnesty which will deliver many more future Democratic voters into their districts.
    John Rowe, the former chairman of Exelon Corporation, is “blackmailing them to commit political suicide,” said Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies.

  15. Mother Lode

    Thanks for the DeVos story, zyco.

    I loved the line below the header:

    The education secretary said it’s a local decision, but she didn’t argue against it.

    The Education Secretary told them they were free to make their own decision, but not what decision they were free to arrive at.

    HuffPo really misses those heady days when you could support any President you liked, as long as he was black.

  16. Tel

    If anyone is interested in a long and darkly hilarious piece of recent history:

    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-18-48-LL.pdf

    This jumped out at me (p64) :

    The elite capture of relationships with, and aid and contracts from, the coalition created new grievances and exacerbated old ones as some tribes and other groups benefited from the war, while others were alienated and driven toward the insurgency. Access to the coalition was a key avenue, in many ways the avenue, for consolidating wealth and political power, so coalition officials often became kingmakers. Some of the coalition’s key partners were the same unsavory individuals who had been previously swept out of power, to widespread applause, by the Taliban. These “winners” not only reaped economic benefits and ran the government for personal gain, but many also committed major crimes with impunity, including murder, creating a kind of mafia rule.

    It’s amazing how empire builders think about themselves, and why this perspective becomes so self defeating. ALL government is “a kind of mafia rule”, and it always will be. The only difference is how big the government is, how much transparency people have into the operation, and whether the process is settled by tradition. There has never been a government on Earth not prone to corruption and picking “winners” for redistribution and largess.

    But the US bureaucrats invading other countries want to comfort themselves that they are helping people, then they can be so surprised when obvious things happen. FMD.

  17. Tel

    Sorry I forgot the title: Stabilization: Lessons from the U.S. Experience in Afghanistan

    Someone’s tax dollars at work. Not my money… Alexander Downer already gave my money to the Clinton Crime Collective.

  18. John Constantine

    Australia’s lefties feel real guilty about doing white flight away from areas their policies have created.

    So immediately they arrive in their new havens the lefties campaign for a green council that will welcome refugee dispersal vote plantations with ratepayers taxes on capital.

    Comrades.

  19. calli

    In early April this year in a massive pile-on more than thirteen regular commenters here said they’d be glad to see the back of me, some of them even citing Grigorae’s views as good reason why.

    Another card for your purse – Coco says it best. And very stylish too.

  20. Mater

    But the US bureaucrats invading other countries want to comfort themselves that they are helping people

    Rest assured Tel, they are only comforting their constituents.
    Unpalatable realities sometimes require a little ‘seasoning’.
    It’s an imperfect world.

  21. John Constantine

    The Stabilisation of the Australian economy under the occupation of their shorten looting cartel will be epic.

    Stabilisation through crony patronage of mafia maaaaates and the use of the State to crush honesty out of our kleptocracy.

    Stabilisation through crony corruption is our strength.

    Comrades.

  22. C.L.

    So Hillary Clinton campaign ad narrator Morgan Freeman is a r-pist.
    And her husband is a r-apist.
    And her personal executive ‘assistant’ was married to a child molester.
    And her fund-raiser Harvey Weinstein is a r-apist.
    And her close family friend Kevin Spacey is a r-pist.
    Hillary Clinton sure loves r-apists.

  23. C.L.

    Wag cited at Instapundit …
    Clapper as the new Whoopi: ‘Sure it was spying but it wasn’t spying spying.’

  24. Farmer Gez

    Just saw Wong on Sky practically accusing the Electoral Commissioner of making partisan decisions.
    The ALP are so corrupt to the core that they doubt anyone has ability to be above political influence.
    She is an utter disgrace.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    A Ghanaian asylum seeker who lost his fingers to frostbite while crossing into Manitoba from the U.S. on Christmas Eve has won his case to stay.

    I call bullshit.
    He got his fingers caught in the till at a 7/11 in Detroit.

  26. rickw

    So Hillary Clinton campaign ad narrator Morgan Freeman is a r-pist.
    And her husband is a r-apist.
    And her personal executive ‘assistant’ was married to a child molester.
    And her fund-raiser Harvey Weinstein is a r-apist.
    And her close family friend Kevin Spacey is a r-pist.
    Hillary Clinton sure loves r-apists.

    A quite alarming pattern.

  27. John Constantine

    Australia Post expands into tax dodging and money laundering.

    Opening a speciality outlet in a suburb with thirty percent Chinese demographic, where a money launderer can send a convoy of students to buy baby formula for untaxed black market Cash and send it straight to China.

    Comrade maaaaates.

  28. Some History

    FBI: We announce today that we’re no longer investigating spying.
    We’re now only after spying spying. And due to confidentiality
    I can’t discuss the even more serious matter of spying spying spying.

  29. Nelson Kidd-Players

    They assume we are all as bad as they are, Farmer Gez.

    Quite natural for them.

  30. Some History

    For anyone interested.

    Volume up.

    70s Classic

    Saturday In The Park – Chicago

  31. rickw

    NTSB: Uber’s sensors worked; its software utterly failed in fatal crash

    Today’s software programmers can’t write an app that doesn’t crash or fail periodically, what the hell would make them think they could write a vehicle control program that doesn’t do the same?

    I’m still in awe of what engineers did in the 1980’s on programming and control each time my 1980’s Colchester 3000L boots up faultlessly, the only problem it ever has is sensor problems.

  32. OldOzzie

    OPINION
    Donald Trump leaves door open for Kim Jong-un summit – Cameron Stewart – Washington Correspondent

    Donald Trump may have cancelled his summit with Kim Jong-un but he has left the door open for the bridges to be rebuilt between the two leaders.

    The president’s bombshell decision to cancel the summit was all but forced on him by a series of broken promises, acts of bad faith and threats by Pyongyang. But the cancellation was not a declaration by Trump that the tenuous rapprochement between the two countries is now over.

    Much now depends on how Kim Jong-un reacts to the decision which he may interpret as a loss of face for himself and his regime. If he embarks on a mad Stalinist rant like his Vice Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui did yesterday about US Vice President Mike Pence, then the fragile détente will falter further, at least in the short term.

    Trump made the decision to cancel this morning after being briefed the previous evening on the comments by Vice Foreign Minister Choe. Choe threatened to cancel the summit, attacking Pence as a ‘political dummy’ and threatening a ‘nuclear to nuclear showdown’ with the US after Pence drew comparisons between the future of North Korea and the fate of Libya.

    Trump called in his national security team and declared enough was enough, dictating his open letter to Kim word-for-word.

    But Trump’s careful wording of his letter to the North Korean leader makes it clear that the president is still open to a leader’s summit in the future — perhaps even the very near future — if he can be more certain of Kim’s likely behaviour at such a meeting.

    Trump, in his letter speaks of the “wonderful dialogue” that was building between himself and Kim and of and how he looks “very much forward to meeting” him.

    Trump then he writes “if you change your mind … please do not hesitate to call me or write.”

    The collapse of the summit seemed increasingly inevitable after the events of recent days. Pyongyang overplayed its hand and, in doing so, exposed the large gaps in the expectations of the two nations for the mooted June 12 meeting in Singapore.

    North Korea started the rot last week when it overreacted to comments by Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton who spoke of how he saw North Korea following the Libyan model of nuclear disarmament.

    Bolton was speaking about the fact that Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi traded his nascent nuclear weapons program in 2003 for sanction relief. But Pyongyang interpreted the comments as foreshadowing a similar fate for its supreme leader given that Gaddafi ended up being overthrown and killed by rebels in 2011.

    Pyongyang threatened to cancel the summit and also declared that the US could not “corner us” and unilaterally declare that North Korea give up its nuclear weapons.

    The threat caught the Trump administration by surprise, given that Kim had been making very public moves to improve relations and set the scene for the forthcoming summit. He had halted all nuclear and missile tests, released three US hostages and had promised to close a nuclear test site.

    But the threat from Pyongyang unnerved the administration and especially the president.

    It also coincided with other strange behaviour by Pyongyang. The White House had sent a team to Singapore to discuss logistics for the summit with a North Korea team but the North Koreans simply didn’t show up. No explanation, nothing.

    Then Pyongyang refused to honour an earlier promise to allow international disarmament inspectors to observe their planned closure of the nuclear test site.

    Then for an entire week before the attack by Choe, the administration could not make contact with anyone in the regime.

    Last weekend Trump understandably became gravely concerned that the summit could backfire without clear outcome. Kim might not even turn up. He reportedly feared it could deliver him one of the most embarrassing moments of his presidency.

    Despite Trump’s private concerns, aides say he still hoped the summit would proceed.

    At this point the White House appeared to accept that it might have overplayed its hand by demanding that Kim agree immediately to give up all his nuclear weapons for nothing in return. The art of the deal is to give something in return and Pyongyang was now demanding to know what that was.

    So Washington started to inject some flexibility into its expectations in the hope of keeping the flaky North Koreans on track for the summit.

    Trump spoke of the enormous wealth that would flood North Korea if it agreed to denuclearise the country and sanctions were lifted. He spoke of security guarantees which would ensure that the country would not be invaded and that Kim stayed as the country’s supreme ruler. Trump spoke of unspecified “protections” that would be delivered to Pyongyang amid speculation that the US was willing to sharply reduce the number of troops it had in South Korea.

    And finally — in the past 48 hours — both Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pomeo watered down their demand for immediate denuclearisation, stating that the US would accept “credible steps” towards denuclearisation. In other words, North Korea could pursue the progressive dismantling of its nuclear program as sanctions were lifted and the economy was revived.

    But then North Korea blew it by overreacting for the second time in a week, this time to the comments made by Pence.

    Pence had said: “As the president made clear, this will only end like the Libyan model if Kim Jong-un doesn’t make a deal.”

    When asked if this was a threat he said: “Well, I think it’s more of a fact.”

    But Pyongyang’s decision yesterday to issue another crazed public rant to these remarks was the straw that broke the back of the White House.

    The madness of the rant was rightly too much for Trump to ignore only weeks before he was due to fly across the world to meet Kim.

    As Trump pointed out, the cancellation was “a setback for the world” amid hopes that the summit might be the key to ending the most dangerous security threat facing Australia and the world.

    Trump deserves credit for getting Kim even close to a position where the two leaders might one day meet to discuss peace.

    The president’s hard line rhetoric and refusal to take a backward step towards the rogue regime has helped force China to confront its duplicitous dealings with Pyongyang. Trump has forced Beijing — and the UN Security Council — to apply the toughest sanctions ever imposed on the hermit kingdom.

    This was surely a factor in Kim’s abrupt willingness to talk about peace, denuclearisation and to forge a détente with South Korea.

    But Trump is correct not to attend a summit until Kim and his regime can behave like grown-ups. Spewing forth comical Stalinist threats of a forthcoming nuclear apocalypse is no way to run a negotiating strategy with the US president.

    By cancelling the summit, Trump is telling Kim to grow up and go away until he is ready to do a deal with Washington.

    The US has waited almost 70 years for a sane and stable North Korea to emerge and take its place among the community of nations. A bit longer won’t hurt.

    Cameron Stewart is also US Contributor for Sky News Australia

  33. cohenite

    Stormy gets key to West Hollywood: watch out that microphone:

  34. calli

    The soundtrack of a courtship, Some History. Questions 67 and 68 summed it up.

    Good times. 🙂

  35. rickw

    Australia Post expands into tax dodging and money laundering.

    Opening a speciality outlet in a suburb with thirty percent Chinese demographic, where a money launderer can send a convoy of students to buy baby formula for untaxed black market Cash and send it straight to China.

    Comrade maaaaates.

    Don’t forget they also handle passport applications and renewals and process firearm license photos. What could possibly go wrong?!

  36. Baldrick

    So Hillary Clinton campaign ad narrator Morgan Freeman is a r-pist.
    And her husband is a r-apist.
    And her personal executive ‘assistant’ was married to a child molester.
    And her fund-raiser Harvey Weinstein is a r-apist.
    And her close family friend Kevin Spacey is a r-pist.
    Hillary Clinton sure loves r-apists.

    Stronger.Together

  37. Zatara

    Today’s software programmers can’t write an app that doesn’t crash or fail periodically, what the hell would make them think they could write a vehicle control program that doesn’t do the same?

    The shot at trillions of dollars and the ability to totally control the movements of all human beings vs. bad press over the weekend.

  38. rickw

    Female only pedestrian crossings: must prove you’re a woman before you cross:

    Which Victorian communist local council is planning to introduce this?

  39. calli

    Trump did the right thing.

    You can’t have one side bad mouthing the other and still brazenly come to the table wanting “peace”. No good faith in it at all.

    Kim Young One needs to grow up and muzzle his minions (who are just mouthing this stuff to gain favour).

  40. calli

    Freeman is accused of “inappropriate behaviour”. Could be anything.

    I’m sensing an opportunism of frightbats.

  41. Some History

    A Victorian Council is proposing female only pedestrian crossing symbols as part of a radical plan to ‘improve gender equality’.

    That just won’t do. What about “equality” for the QWERTY?

    https://imgur.com/5DOjmGd

    https://imgur.com/LVivCTj

    It’s a mad, MAD, MAD, MAD World.

  42. areff

    Have just disembowelled a chicken: China, which took Young Kim to the woodshed during that sudden visit to Beijing, will replace him one way or another within six months. Go to the TAB and see if they’ve opened a book on it yet.

  43. Some History

    Oh, no. Sardine Can has been taking care of business…. again.

    LGBT traffic lights unveiled for London Pride

    http://www.mambaonline.com/2016/06/21/lgbt-traffic-lights-unveiled-london-pride/

  44. Baldrick

    I’m sensing an opportunism of frightbats.

    You mean like this calli?

  45. OldOzzie

    Coal the only reliable source of energy, says Mineral Council – Ben Packham

    The mining industry has lashed the government-owned Snowy Hydro, disputing its claim the $4 billion Snowy 2.0 project will “out-compete any new coal plant”, and declaring coal-fired power as the only energy source able to do the “heavy lifting” in Australia.

    Minerals Council coal program executive director Greg Evans said coal’s dominance as an energy source was confirmed in the ­energy market operator’s latest summer report, which said coal provided 76 per cent of large-scale generation capacity, and up to 89 per cent in NSW.

    Mr Evans said pumped hydro projects such as Malcolm Turnbull’s Snowy 2.0 had a role to play in “firming” the energy provided by unreliable solar and wind ­energy. “But the heavy lifting of providing affordable and reliable energy can only be done by lowest-cost dispatchable energy supplies available 24/7,” he said.

    Snowy Hydro chief executive Paul Broad told a Senate estimates hearing this week that a new high-efficiency low-emissions (HELE) coal-fired plant would not make money once Snowy 2.0 was operating.

    “We will out-compete any new coal plant, with no subsidies, no government guarantees, nothing. We will out-compete them on price, and on reliability,” he said.

    Mr Evans blasted the claim as “not accurate”, citing a 2017 study by Solstice Development Services and GHD, which found a large HELE plant could deliver electricity as cheap as $40/MWh 24 hours a day.

    Mr Broad told Senate estimates that Snowy Hydro paid an effective cost of $40/MWh to pump water uphill, and sold the stored energy at $80/MWh.

    Mr Evans said taking into ­account capital costs, the wholesale price of Snowy 2.0 power would be closer to $100/MWh, and up to $120/MWh if the cost of new transmission infrastructure was included.

    “Snowy 2.0 is not a 24/7 generation option across a long period of time,” he said. “At least half the time, electricity from other ­sources is used for pumping water to the upper reservoir. This level of availability can’t be compared to 24/7 dispatchable generation such as that provided by coal or gas. It’s also unclear what ‘cheap’ form of energy will be used for pumping if the objective is to shut down existing coal generation over time.”

    Mr Evans also dismissed claims that new coal-fired plants were not sufficiently flexible in a grid with growing wind and solar capacity.

    “Claims that HELE coal is not flexible and can’t operate in a grid with renewable energy are wrong,” he said. “For example, the Neurath plant in Germany can ramp up and down by 500MW in 15 minutes and modern coal-fired power plants can turn down to 20 per cent of full output.”

    The Australian Energy Market Operator report revealed there had been no blackouts caused by insufficient supply across the ­national energy market last summer, the first summer since Victoria’s 1600MW Hazelwood power plant closed.

    Mr Evans highlighted the finding in the report that the coal fleet recorded its fourth highest summer availability for the past 10 years. “Coal-fired power generation kept lights and airconditioners on and kept businesses running in Australia during the past summer,” he said.

    From the Comments

    Since 2007 we have spent $58 Billion on Renewables.

    That has delivered just 7% of our total electrical generation today!

    If we had spent that money on USC coal plants we could have built 48 Kogan Creek power stations.

    That would provide 134% of our current generation with massive reductions in CO2 emissions

    We really are the dumb country.

    – Did Paul Broad really say no government subsidies and no government guarantees? I guess he meant taxpayer subsidies and guarantees but anyway who is paying for Snowy 2.0? It is the taxpayers isn’t it?

    Also won’t the off peak rates for electricity be dumped when pumping the water takes precedent.

    – Turnbull and Frydenberg are not honest brokers in this market. Both major political parties are involved in rigging the energy market. The liberal party is not Energy Neutral. They are playing lots of political games, with distraction after distraction, while the reliable cheap energy market that australia had is destroyed for some undisclosed advantage, where the beneficiary is not the Australian Public.

    Mr Evans is right, but he is wasting his time if he thinks Malcolm will listen.

  46. Percy Popinjay

    The opposition is in schism on border protection

    No it isn’t. One half is willing to lie about keeping the existing policy in place (which will then simply be scrapped once labor win the next election) and the other is desperate to virtue signal.

    If anyone thinks we ain’t going to be flooded with hundreds of thousands of moozleys once the Waffleroach’s election winning machine and poodle grooming salon are turfed, they’re even stupider than your average labor/greenfilth politician.

  47. Geriatric mayfly

    Female only pedestrian crossings: must prove you’re a woman before you cross:

    Is there one of those cameras like they now have at border control, and one that can talk? And does it say “Show me your Tits?”

  48. Mater

    Female only pedestrian crossings: must prove you’re a woman before you cross:

    Can I identify as one, curb to curb?

  49. OldOzzie

    Naked is the Best Disguise: the Bipartisan Deep State

    One of the mysteries of the deep state is just how deep it is. Like the Kryptos sculpture in the courtyard of the Central Intelligence Agency, it has proven remarkably resistant to decoding since its emergence in the aftermath of World War II, after the creation of the CIA. It is, in a very real sense, its own cipher, hiding in plain sight all along and just daring the civilians to call it by its name: the Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party.

    As it happens, the leaders of the PBFP sat for a group portrait the other day. The occasion was the funeral of former First Lady Barbara Bush, wife of George Herbert Walker “Poppy” Bush and mother of George Walker Bush, American presidents 41 and 43, respectively. Also in the photograph was the man who beat Poppy, William Jefferson Blythe III, more commonly known as Bill Clinton; and Barack Hussein Obama II, also known as Barry Soetoro, the man who succeeded George W. Bush. And their wives, of course, including Hillary Rodham Clinton, former senator from New York, former secretary of state in the Obama Administration, and the defeated candidate in the 2016 presidential election.

    But the man who defeated Hillary—Donald J. Trump, the 45th president of the United States—was nowhere to be seen.

  50. Some History

    I’ll try that again.

    A guess. That’s the Greens being rescued after being lost for 3 hours on their Eco Grand Canyon Tour.

  51. OldOzzie

    Journalist Goes To Melania’s Hometown For Some Reason, Discovers That People Like Her

    Vendela Vida, a writer for The New Yorker, traveled to First Lady Melania Trump’s hometown in Slovenia for some reason, and discovered an extremely juicy piece of news–people generally seem like her there.

    The writer peppers her piece with small put-downs of the country
    , pointing out the fact that some shops were closed and a waitress at a restaurant didn’t know whether a hamburger on the menu was “grass-fed” or not.

  52. Oh come on

    m0nty is going full Bill Kristol. Sad.

    Trump could ensure world peace in perpetuity. m0nty would quickly find fault. Unemployed soldiers!

    Trump could end global poverty forever. m0nty would harp endlessly on the downside. Loss of the nobility of struggle!

    Trump could solve all environmental concerns imaginable. m0nty would seize upon the negative. Fewer social studies assignment topics available to primary school students!

  53. calli

    Baldrick
    #2719598, posted on May 25, 2018 at 9:07 am
    Well that didn’t take long …
    North Korea pleads with U.S. to meet.

    Chortle.

  54. OldOzzie

    GRAHAM RICHARDSON
    The question of boats can still sink Shorten’s poll hopes

    Watching question time on Wednesday, three thoughts came to mind: I really do need to get a life; Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison appear to be far more confident and to have emerged from a period of self-inflicted wounds; and, most seriously, the Labor Party may be on the brink of making a decision at federal conference that could cost the long-term frontrunner the election. There is not much point in commenting on the first observation other than to note I have an addiction to politics modern medicine seems unable to cure.

    As for the resurgence of the Prime Minister and the Treasurer, they must be on the receiving end of some very positive research. The PM has gone from casting an almost apologetic whimpering style in question time to a confident swagger. Both men constantly refer to the government having “created” a million jobs and having an economic plan. Governments do not create jobs but their policies may help to create the climate where employment can grow. For Bill Shorten, this does represent a real problem because if Labor stands for anything, it stands for more jobs.

    The government continues to assert that the economy is strong but this rings pretty hollow with the millions of workers who have not received a pay increase for the best part of five years. Those disgruntled punters don’t watch question time, so you would have to wonder how the Coalition can ever convince them that they have never had it so good. If the budget is being well received then the bounce is likely to be short-lived. Within a week of its delivery, Morrison’s predictions on GDP growth already looked mortally wounded. The quarterly growth figures suggested the government’s growth target is too ­optimistic, and when the growth figures are wrong, errors will occur right across the document.

    The problems with the budget numbers, let alone the politics ­behind the budget, became even more apparent with the intervention of Pauline Hanson. Very few people knew that One Nation and the government, through the interminable negotiator, government Senate leader Mathias Cormann, had actually ­exchanged signatures on a written deal to get the government’s business tax cuts through. Now that Hanson has pulled out of the deal (whatever the deal really was) then there is no good to come from ­pretending the tax cuts are viable. The Treasurer now must step ­forward and show the nation the new direction the government will take given that there is not a snowflake’s hope in hell that those business tax cuts will pass the Senate.

    The real problem for Labor, though, is still boats. On Wednesday in question time, the government’s chief headkicker, Peter Dutton, was asked a Dorothy Dixer on refugees and used the opportunity to ruthless effect. He began with a vicious attack on the Opposition Leader’s character.

    He accused Shorten of double crossing everyone he had ever met professionally and personally. Just as Paul Keating and Peter Costello before him used to do, he knew he would have to withdraw the “personal” part but he also knew that the damage was already done. Clearly the Coalition intends to make Shorten a central issue in the ­campaign. It will do all it can to blacken his name, and when the election comes, it will ask the question: “Do you really want Bill Shorten to be your prime ­minister?” Judging by Dutton’s efforts on Wednesday, it will have little trouble in scraping the bottom of the barrel to mount its personal attacks.

    Having done the dirty work, Dutton went on with a stinging ­attack on Labor over refugee ­policy. He began by quoting Susan Lamb, who is running for the marginal seat in Queensland called Longman. He could have used the maiden speech of Ged Kearney, who was pleading for an end to the indefinite detention of refugees on Manus Island and Nauru.

    This presents Labor with a ­dilemma of critical proportions. Kearney and Lamb are among a large chunk of Labor’s left faction who undoubtedly will have the numbers on the floor of the ­national conference. If Labor ­decides at that conference to bring those on Nauru and Manus onshore then I believe it cannot win the next election. You do not have to delve too deeply into Australian society to realise that there is a big majority of our population which is bitterly resentful of bringing those poor souls here. That opposition is strongest in the working-class base of Labor, and those espousing the nobility of a grand humanitarian gesture must come to realise that Australia does not share their vision.

    In an ironic twist, Shorten will have to rely on Anthony Albanese at the federal conference. The man whose leadership hopes Shorten spends most of his time trying to stymie is the leader of the left faction that has the conference numbers. If Albo goes flat out in favour of bringing the refugees back on shore, he will definitely succeed. That, of course, would not only cripple Shorten’s immediate future, it also would be enough to ensure no one could lead Labor to victory. Perhaps it is a good thing that the Speaker has announced the by-elections will be held on July 28, thereby guaranteeing that the conference will be postponed.

    If the opposition was not having enough of a bad week, in blundered its human services (that is, Centrelink) spokeswoman, Linda Burney. Having been lured into suggesting that Labor would ­establish a timeline of those on Nauru and Manus Island, she ­released a document from her ­office that purported to be a transcript of that interview. The transcript had been blatantly altered to eliminate the timeline sentence along with other less dynamic changes. When the outcry went up, out pops Burney to tell us her staff had misfired. All I can say to that is she must have some pretty stupid staff who thought they could get away with amending the transcript of such a public interview.

    God save Shorten from his friends.

  55. Some History

    Stormy Daniels given key to the city of West Hollywood

    “I am so thrilled and honored. I like to thank all my ‘tricks’, condom suppliers, and chiropractors for making this possible”.

  56. Baldrick

    Fatty Trump knows how to make a deal …

    Kim Kye Gwan, a top official at North Korea’s Foreign Ministry, said Pyongyang was still willing to meet with the US, in comments published Friday by the country’s state-run media KCNA.
    “We reiterate to the US that we are willing to sit face to face at any time and in any way,” said Kim, who has negotiated with US counterparts for years.
    “I would like to conclude that President Trump’s statement on the NK-US summit is a decision that is not in line with the wishes of the who hope for the peace and stability of the Korean peninsula as well as the world.”

  57. Tom

    This is the state of the Democrat party – its leading lights dimming by the day.

    Mother Lode, the last thing anyone not on the left wants is for the DNC to change its leadership before the mid-terms — and it won’t because Chuck and Nancy are now further left than the Cuban Communist Party and, like UK Labour, the DNC’s working class rank-and-file have been replaced by Antifa Brown Shirts.

    Meanwhile — just like 2016 — the sample-stacked media polling is telling the DNC it’s a chance of winning in 2018. In truth, the only reason the new loony left version of the DNC is still in the game is because of the 24/7 wall-to-wall MSM propaganda against Trump.

    If the US had honest, competent media that was the eyes and ears of the public, the mid-terms wouldn’t even be close.

  58. Snoopy

    Spare a thought for the Singapore hotels and security agencies.

  59. candy

    If Albo goes flat out in favour of bringing the refugees back on shore, he will definitely succeed.

    I suppose G. Richardson knows best, but I’m not sure that getting the asylum seekers out of detention after all these years is that unfavourable a policy.

    This is on the back of the boats being stopped, the greatest policy success in around 25 years, of course, and limiting immigration or freezing it for three years or so. Labor need to have a proper policy on that.

    If Bill Shorten could see his way to freezing immigration levels for a few years, it would help him greatly.

  60. Oh come on

    You do not have to delve too deeply into Australian society to realise that there is a big majority of our population which is bitterly resentful of bringing those poor souls here.

    Why does Graham Richardson hate ordinary Australians and their values?

  61. Snoopy

    The Trump/Kim summit will provide just a foretaste of the embarrassment facing Monty when Obama’s spies crash and burn.

  62. Oh come on

    I suppose G. Richardson knows best

    No, he doesn’t. Similarly, you have no idea of What Men Want.

  63. Geriatric mayfly

    For those prefer a sedentary day, Miss Shock and Orr QC will be asking the banks a few polite questions again this morning. The pattern so far has been to present ‘The little people’ to the Commission who have been gypped by the banks and then bring in the suits with a ‘Please explain.’ She dealt with the current little person yesterday.

  64. Fat Tony

    Trump & the Young Un

    I remember reading years ago that the most important word in negotiations is “NO” and it has to be used early.

  65. Rae

    Have just disembowelled a chicken: China, which took Young Kim to the woodshed during that sudden visit to Beijing, will replace him one way or another within six months. Go to the TAB and see if they’ve opened a book on it yet.

    No. Trump has been playing Zero D chess. Xi has used Kim to distract Trump while the Chinese consolidated their hold on the South China Sea. There will be no meetings to negotiate any reversal of that.

  66. there I was thinking at a certain point our eyes don’t work together properly.

    My son’s eyes do this from around a metre out and the solution was corrective glasses.

    That is correct. Of course, the answer to the question, where is the mind, setting aside any disputes about what either mind or matter means, is the same location as the person asking the question, and the same location as the person considering it.

  67. Geriatric mayfly

    Smile and carry a big stick.

    “You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful and I pray to God I hope they will not have to be used.”

  68. Tom

    Hahaha!!! Monty, get in here. Someone is trying to steal your wrongology crown.

  69. Todesgiraffen

    The pedant is correct.
    This is China’s goat rodeo.

  70. Roger

    North Korea is a minor problem for us compared with China. China’s imperial goals mean we are on the cusp of the most serious threat to our national sovereignty since 1942. Jim Molan’s efforts to address our domestic oil reserve shortage suggest he thinks a war with China is a distinct possibility. China’s strategic goal is clear: to push the US out of the south and west Pacific and back to Hawaii, leaving us like the proverbial shag on a rock. We have not done our part as an American ally in rebuffing China’s soft power from our region, preferring to vainly strut the world stage as a pretend “middle power”. Indeed, we haven’t even kept China’s soft power from reaching into our own institutions, much to the Americans’ concern. Our politicians, who have presided over this state of affairs, are at best second raters, at worst dangerous fools.

  71. Slayer of Memes

    mUnty’s dead squirrel efforts from last night would have been so much better if the squirrels didn’t show signs of being run over by mUnty himself before he chose to toss them out his car window during yet another drive-by…

  72. a waitress at a restaurant didn’t know whether a hamburger on the menu was “grass-fed” or not.

    Horror!

    On the subject, I have a theory that our politicians are suffering from a vitamin or mineral deficiency which impairs their intellectual development.

    Is the parliamentary dining room to blame?

  73. Some History

    For those prefer a sedentary day, Miss Shock and Orr QC will be asking the banks a few polite questions again this morning.

    Ms Orr: “Mr. Jones, I’d like to ask..”

    Mr. Jones: “Stop! Stop! No more. I confess. We fleeced our customers. I even stole the coffee maker from the office kitchen…. OK.. and the George Foreman Grill. There, are you happy? Make her stop.” sniffle sniffle

    https://imgur.com/mKSnVbd

  74. Roger #2719626, posted on May 25, 2018 at 9:45 am

    +1111

  75. Rae

    Disagreeing with areff. Is that OK? He’s not a “kitteh”. Neither is Bruce of Newcastle, whom I also disagreed with last night. Or Fat Tony, whom I have reduced to a mumbling fool after he said nasty things to me a few weeks ago. Or the Twitter roach, whose 4 way brain by-pass was an abject failure.

  76. Tel

    Judging by Dutton’s efforts on Wednesday, it will have little trouble in scraping the bottom of the barrel to mount its personal attacks.

    As the saying goes, “Whatever it takes”.

    Here’s Graham Richardson crying his croc tears because the other guys are doing to him what he happily has done to others. boo hoo.

    Immigration control in Australia has been the one successful Abbott policy that we have hung onto, while all around Europe and the USA they are failing. If the Termite hangs in there with only that and nothing else to his name, then he still offers a better deal than the ALP (sad though that is).

    As for workers expecting any real wage rises (after tax) under a Shorten government… puh leeeese!

  77. Roger

    Roger #2719626, posted on May 25, 2018 at 9:45 am

    +1111

    After some thought I think I should revise the last sentence, ir:

    Our politicians, who have presided over this state of affairs and in some instances benefited from it, are at best dangerous fools, at worst traitors.

  78. 132andBush

    On the subject, I have a theory that our politicians are suffering from a vitamin or mineral deficiency which impairs their intellectual development.

    Certainly applies to trolls.

  79. egg_

    Fast fingers meet female brain?

    Something for the metaphysicians?

  80. calli

    Our politicians, who have presided over this state of affairs, are at best second raters, at worst dangerous fools.

    The description of the “Lucky Country” was overly generous.

  81. candy

    Chris Pyne says Luke Foley is disgraceful for his “white flight” comments.

    But really that simple though hard sounding expression summed up the immigration levels/population levels and social/employment aspects of all that exactly.

    Labor would be very foolish to be hard on him. He’s on the money.

  82. stackja

    Shock value of anti-smoking images waning: research
    ABC Local-1 hour ago
    For over a decade, those buying cigarettes have had a blunt reminder of the health problems smoking can cause. Cigarette packets have been …

  83. OldOzzie

    “Unplug Your Alexa Devices Right Now… You’re Being Hacked”

    Was staying at a old friends house in the UK last July and he was demonstrating Alexa and I found it rather creepy – his Relations (who were also staying with him) had come over from Dublin for my friends son’s wedding and they all had Alexa in their houses.

    What it clarifies for me, is will go for 2017 LG OLED as 2018 LG OLED have active AI which work on voice command and follow your requirements and actively learn

    1984 is here

  84. calli

    Is the Member for Sturt, worrying about “White Flight”?

    What would he know about it?

  85. Roger

    Furious agreement on The Dumb yesterday:

    Migrants from the ME wanting to live among their own kind: understandable.

    Australians of European descent wanting to live among their own kind: racist.

    However, one brave chap suggested an open and honest debate about immigration should be had.

    Provided Marl Latham and Pauline Hanson were excluded from it!

  86. C.L.

    Chris Pyne says Luke Foley is disgraceful for his “white flight” comments.

    Chri-Pye the far left-wing social justice warrior.
    There is no more nauseating weasel in Australian politics.
    Of course white people are leaving these Islamic shithole suburbs.
    That was the whole point. They’re being replaced.

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    FOREIGN AFFAIRS
    Turks rethink charges against Prakash

    Ellen Whinnett
    The Australian
    12:00AM May 25, 201

    A Turkish court has opened a new legal front against Australia’s most wanted terrorist, Neil ­Prakash, in a move that could delay his potential return to Australia for years.

    Prakash, who has fathered at least three children with two wives while fighting in Iraq and Syria, appeared by video-link in the Kilis Criminal Court last night, where a decision had been due on whether he would be extradited to Australia. The Melbourne-born Islamic State recruiter, promoter and fin­ancier is wanted in Australia on charges of being a member of a terrorist organisation and for ­“incursions into a foreign state with the intention of engaging in hostile activities’’.

    After a 15-minute hearing, the court delayed his case again to July 19. Prosecutor Serdar Durmus revealed that Turkish authorities were looking at whether Prakash had committed a crime against Turkey by being a member of a terrorist organisation.

    He said more time was needed to investigate Prakash’s involvement with the terrorist group.

    If convicted, Prakash, 27, would be sentenced to a long jail term that would delay any legal proceedings in Australia for years.

    Prakash has admitted several times to being a member of Islamic State, and repeated the ­admission to the court last night: “On the first charge of being a member of ISIS, that is true.

    From the Oz. I’m sorry, using words of less then three syllables, and on one side of the paper, why does Australia want this gibbering idiot back? Why not leave him to the tender mercies of a Turkish prison?

  88. areff

    A month from now, plastic carry bags are being banned in Victoria supermarkets.

    Wouldn’t it be fun if an organised protest took hold, one which saw shoppers get to the checkout and, upon being told bags are no longer available, walk away and leave everything on the counter. There would be re-stocking costs, plus the chaos as goods were cleared for the next customer. Ideally, that would be the next protester.

    It wouldn’t take very much for the policy to be reviewed.

    In the meantime, supermarket bags being very useful, you can get 5000 here at minimal cost.

    http://www.bagsplus.com.au/plastic-carry-bags/singlet-carry-bag.php

    Take a sheaf to the Coles or Woolies and tell the checkout individual (no sexism here!) to bag it for you.

    Will be a lot cheaper than buying bin liners, which is what the supermarkets want you to do.

  89. C.L.

    Trump pardons Jack Johnson …
    Not in favour of these historical ‘pardons.’
    That’s quite a photo in the Oval Office, though.

  90. Roger

    Chris Pyne says Luke Foley is disgraceful for his “white flight” comments.

    Assyrian Charlie Ukhanna, 75, has been a Fairfield resident for 38 years and agrees there has been a “white flight”.

    “Where have all the Aussies gone? They’re not coming back.”

    The Daily Telegraph, also at Blair’s.

  91. Slayer of Memes

    Today, President Trump posthumously pardoned heavyweight boxing champion Jack Johnson.

    The notorious ‘racist xenophobe’ and ‘LITERALLY HITLER’ pardoned the first black Heavyweight Boxing Champion of crimes that have been confirmed as being racially motivated…

    What will the Left’s reaction to this be? Will they be desperately searching for a way to use this against Trump?

    Maybe they can run the line that “Racist Trump has stolen Obama’s legacy by pardoning black man before the former President, who actually previously REJECTED the proposal during his 8 years in office, was able to do so…”

  92. C.L.

    Stan Grant and the ABC spit on the American flag.

    Try displaying it upside down on a US street and see what happens:

  93. egg_

    In early April this year in a massive pile-on more than thirteen regular commenters here said they’d be glad to see the back of me, some of them even citing Grigorae’s views as good reason why.

    “Flying monkeys” is the terminology.
    Calli’s cards say it best.

  94. Slayer of Memes

    Wouldn’t it be fun if an organised protest took hold, one which saw shoppers get to the checkout and, upon being told bags are no longer available, walk away and leave everything on the counter. There would be re-stocking costs, plus the chaos as goods were cleared for the next customer.

    Make sure that you include one large (4Lt) tub of ice-cream, several frozen ‘TV-dinners’, and a large number of other perishable ‘refrigerator only’ items (milk, yoghurt, etc) to ensure that the store has to IMMEDIATELY rush to place items back in their spots lest spoilage occur….

    … and make sure that, if the store has multiple ‘self-service’ checkouts, that you have sufficient friends with you to cover all those checkouts with the same items at the same time….

    Civil disobedience works best when you really stick it right up ’em…

  95. OldOzzie

    Luke Foley apologises for using ‘white flight’

    NSW Opposition Leader Luke Foley has apologised for using the term “white flight” while describing issues surrounding immigration in Sydney after a backlash that transcended party lines.

    In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, published yesterday, Mr Foley used the term “white flight” to describe the many “Anglo families” forced to leave suburbs in western Sydney struggling with the “huge burden” of migration.

    Gladys Berejiklian blasted the Labor leader in parliament, des­cribing his words as “divisive, ­offensive, dangerous and nasty”.

    The Premier said Mr Foley had “crossed the line”.

    “The language used is desperate and inflammatory — it goes to the heart of the kind of person you are,” she told Mr Foley during a heated question time.

    Within an hour, Mr Foley issued an apology for his comments, citing “feedback”.

    “In the course of a 30-minute interview yesterday, I used the phrase ‘white flight’: that phrase is offensive to many,” Mr Foley said in a statement. “I apologise and I will not use that phrase again.”

    He had earlier in the day defended his comments, saying “white flight” was an academic term. “It’s an identifiable phenomenon in many Western cities that reflects the changing cultural mix of many suburbs,” he told ABC radio. “This is a class issue more than a race issue.”

    Mr Foley named Fairfield, Guildford, Yennora, Sefton, Granville and Regents Park as suburbs of concern, where there were large numbers of Syrian and Iraqi refugees.

    “I don’t want anyone to think you have to move out of those suburbs to do well in life — that’s what I’m fighting,” he said.

    NSW Greens MP Mehreen Faruqi called Mr Foley’s comments “disgraceful” and said Labor had joined the “race to the bottom on race-baiting”.

    “We need to call out lack of investment in public transport, healthcare and education in southwest Sydney, but suggesting that only Anglo families are suffering is just ridiculous and offensive,” she said.

    “Language like this from politicians scapegoats refugees, already amongst the most vulnerable in the community, and it emboldens racism.”

    From the Comments

    Let’s put the “refugees” into Green voting electorates and see what happens.

    – There is nothing wrong with what Mr Foley said. I am not a Labor voter but good on him for saying what many others think but do not have the guts to say. Just have a look in some of these suburbs and see what happened to Australia. If that is not enough just listen to the ABC

    It’s disappointing that Foley apologised for speaking the truth.

    – I am disgusted at Foley too. Not for using the term ‘white flight’ but for having no backbone to stand up and say “I will NOT apologise. There are verifiable, demographic statistics that show there is a significant change in the racial and religious mix of many suburbs. Multiculturalism is supposed to encourage integration but we are seeing segregation. It is not healthy for our culture, community or our Nation’.

    – GUTLESS and SPINELESS are 2 words that come to mind over Foley apologising for stating facts.. Grow a spine Luke as what you said is 100% correct

  96. egg_

    It’s amazing how empire builders think about themselves, and why this perspective becomes so self defeating. ALL government is “a kind of mafia rule”, and it always will be. The only difference is how big the government is, how much transparency people have into the operation, and whether the process is settled by tradition. There has never been a government on Earth not prone to corruption and picking “winners” for redistribution and largess.

    Malaysia being a prime example.
    Doesn’t Mahathir’s personal home occupy a city block in KL, incommensurate with a PM’s salary?
    Isn’t there yet another political corruption scandal afoot at the moment with the outgoing PM?

  97. What has happened following the poisoning of the ex-Russian spy and his daughter allegedly by Russians? Have we in fact determined that is was the Russians? I’m listening to the Wrap on the ABC and both the Left and Right representatives are adamant that it was the Russians. Is this now the conventional wisdom for the foreseeable future?

  98. Geriatric mayfly

    Of course white people are leaving these Islamic shithole suburbs.

    No better example of white flight, than London’s East End. Barely a Cockney left, and swarming with women in black bags and blokes in pyjamas.

  99. johanna

    Of course white people are leaving these Islamic shithole suburbs.
    That was the whole point. They’re being replaced.

    It’s not just the Islamic aspect, C.L.

    As I mentioned yesterday, my sister has just sold her unit in Harris Park because almost the entire building is now inhabited by sub-continentals. She does not dislike them, but it no longer feels, looks or smells like Australia. There are Hindus, Sikhs, and various other religions as well as Muslims. The building is clean and well kept, her neighbours were mostly polite and friendly.

    A different version occurs in the area around Central station, which is now more like Hong Kong than Sydney. Again, the issue is not about Islam, the residents are quite respectable by and large (it’s not cheap to live there) but it no longer feels like Australia.

    The implosion of traditional Australian culture in these places is profoundly unsettling to the old residents, and politicians of all stripes had better stop lying about it, because people are getting fed up with the hypocrisy. They are really pissed off with being dismissed as racists when they seek to preserve their neighbourhoods and way of life.

    Apparently, our neighbourhoods and way of life are the only cultures not worth defending, according to these mealy-mouthed hacks.

  100. C.L.

    The conversion of Western leftists to full-blown McCarthyism is one of the most amusing switcheroos in modern times. They owe the Senator a fulsome apology.

  101. egg_

    Australia’s lefties feel real guilty about doing white flight away from areas their policies have created.

    So immediately they arrive in their new havens the lefties campaign for a green council that will welcome refugee dispersal vote plantations with ratepayers taxes on capital.

    Then they have to elect a representative who has to live amongst the swarthies?

    AGL appears to be a monster of the political class’s creation, just like Their ABC, beholden to itself.

  102. Try displaying it upside down on a US street and see what happens:

    I love it when that guy turns around and says: Hey, fuck off!

  103. Baldrick

    Doris Bagshawe going …

    Bevan Shields ✔ @BevanShields
    Greens senator Lee Rhiannon resigning from the Senate in August. Richard Di Natale will be very pleased about this.

  104. calli

    Assyrian Charlie Ukhanna, 75, has been a Fairfield resident for 38 years and agrees there has been a “white flight”.

    “Where have all the Aussies gone? They’re not coming back.”

    Which reminds me of dear Dweezy who used to comment here. Perhaps he has flown away too.

  105. Geriatric mayfly

    Greens senator Lee Rhiannon resigning from the Senate in August. Richard Di Natale will be very pleased about this.

    Into blissful retirement, growing beets, cabbages and spuds in her grace and favour dacha outside Moscow. Given in perpetuity.

  106. egg_

    Today’s software programmers can’t write an app that doesn’t crash or fail periodically, what the hell would make them think they could write a vehicle control program that doesn’t do the same?

    That’s the validation and verification dept’s job – probably piss poor and expedient at Tesla/Musk inc.
    Isn’t his space roadster now space junk due to a rocket misfiring?
    /Razzamatazz

  107. Roger

    …it no longer feels like Australia.

    Mass Immigration + Multiculturalism = Colonisation.

    Brought to you by the perfidious Uniparty.

  108. AGL appears to be a monster of the political class’s creation, just like Their ABC, beholden to itself.

    They have another nauseating ad which thanks…the sun and the wind.

  109. C.L.

    The key pathology at work here, Joanna, is the trashing of “consent of the governed.”
    That was always the philosophical lodestar of democracy. Now – throughout the Western world – the governing class hates the “governed.” Hates them. Not only do they hate them, they actually judge their own virtue by the extremes they’re willing to impose in order to overcome what the governed prefer, desire, believe in and yearn for.

  110. Slayer of Memes

    Evolution of American political leadership:

    George Washington: I cannot tell a lie.

    Obama: I cannot tell the truth….

    Hillary: I cannot tell the difference….

  111. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Into blissful retirement, growing beets, cabbages and spuds in her grace and favour dacha outside Moscow. Given in perpetuity.

    Good riddance to the old fright bat. Can’t she take Rachel Siewart, and a few more of the whole gang of gargoyles with her?

  112. Some History

    Richard Di Natale will be very pleased about this.

    This is the closest thing to a “happy” face that Dickie can muster. “How are my lips supposed to go again?”

    https://imgur.com/6MH6G4G

  113. JC

    I hate the perp walk, but it’s an American institution now and there is an amusing aspect to it. I even think it was either Giuliani who started it, or he made the perp walk great again. In any event:

    Harvey Weinstein Expected To Do Perp Walk Friday When He Surrenders To NYPD

    http://deadline.com/2018/05/harvey-weinstein-surrender-new-york-plan-nypd-1202397795/

  114. Rae

    In early April this year in a massive pile-on more than thirteen regular commenters here said they’d be glad to see the back of me, some of them even citing Grigorae’s views as good reason why.

    Early last month? Can’t say that I recall it.

  115. OldOzzie

    BREAKING: FBI Spy Stefan Halper and Aussie Diplomat Alexander Downer Go Way Back

    Alexander Downer is a long time Clinton bag man. Here he’s coincidentally in a picture with someone he totally didn’t know, Stefan Halper, who was not a spy at all or if he was it was for Trump’s protection.

  116. Ragu

    Immigration control in Australia has been the one successful Abbott policy that we have hung onto, 

    Well, no. It’s been bipartisan since Bob Hawke

    some people think they can lob here, jump a queue and Bob’s your uncle. Well, Bob isn’t your uncle on this issue

  117. stackja

    C.L.
    #2719666, posted on May 25, 2018 at 10:33 am
    The conversion of Western leftists to full-blown McCarthyism is one of the most amusing switcheroos in modern times. They owe the Senator a fulsome apology.

    Western leftists ever apologise for Stalin?

  118. Old School Conservative

    Ragu
    #2719686, posted on May 25, 2018 at 10:54 am
    Immigration control in Australia has been the one successful Abbott policy that we have hung onto,

    Well, no. It’s been bipartisan since Bob Hawke

    Are you saying that Operation Sovereign Borders was a bipartisan policy?
    That “anyone who now tries to come to Australia by boat without a visa will be turned back to their country of departure” is a bipartisan policy?

  119. egg_

    That is correct. Of course, the answer to the question, where is the mind, setting aside any disputes about what either mind or matter means, is the same location as the person asking the question, and the same location as the person considering it.

    Rape and warfare appear to go hand in hand.
    Total mastery of the enemy would be to inject ones DNA and often the male civilians are killed as well.
    Feminists say ‘filthy individual rapists’ – speaks of a hive mind like the swarming of insects, total domination biologically.
    Dutch UN ‘Peacekeepers’ were accused of rape in Sarajevo?

  120. Some History

    Alexander Downer is a long time Clinton bag man.

    I.. I did not have relations with those people [Clintons].

    https://imgur.com/igkcidH

  121. JC

    Jesus lord, this whole US intel scandal is sordid. I just want to refuse to believe it’s true though, as it’s really too horrible to believe it is.

    Jeffrey Epstein had a “black book.” He used under-age girls to collect damaging information on powerful people. This allegation here is that the @FBI used him and his underage “spies” as informants.

    FBI: Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein Was Informant for Mueller’s FBI; Special Counsel Under Fire for Deal with Sex Offender

    If this turns out to be true, maybe the pizza gate thing needs to be revisited.

  122. OldOzzie

    TIME TO WAKE THE ODD MAN OF ASIA

    Japan has 45 new high-energy, low-emission (HELE) coal-fired power plants on the drawing boards. These will probably burn high quality Australian coal. And despite the tsunami that hit Japan, nuclear power still generates about 20% of Japan’s electricity.

    World-wide about 1,600 new coal-fired power plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries. Many of these power plants will utilise HELE technology.

    Power plants burning low-energy lignite are being closed in Australia but still being built elsewhere. There are 19 such facilities in various stages of approval, planning or construction in Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Greece, Germany, Poland, Romania and Slovenia.

    Australia is the odd man of Asia. We march to the green drum.

    M.E.C.A.Male Electricity Cheap Again

  123. egg_

    That is correct. Of course, the answer to the question, where is the mind, setting aside any disputes about what either mind or matter means, is the same location as the person asking the question, and the same location as the person considering it.

    R pe and warfare appear to go hand in hand.
    Total mastery of the enemy would be to inject ones DNA and often the male civilians are killed as well.
    Feminists say ‘filthy individual r pists’ – speaks of a hive mind like the swarming of insects, total domination biologically.
    Dutch UN ‘Peacekeepers’ were accused of r pe in Sarajevo?

  124. Senile Old Guy

    Australian Federal Government in action:

    Last May, Australia proposed that the WCO create a new category (24.04) in Chapter 24 for ‘nicotine products for human consumption, not containing tobacco but containing nicotine.’ The Aussie government admitted that e-cigarettes are not tobacco products but said that ‘they are closely related to tobacco in that they are used as substitutes for tobacco products'(!).

    This is under a supposed Liberal government.

  125. Slayer of Memes

    The FBI Used Its Secret Spy Program To Protect Killers, Jail Innocents, And Screw Victims
    An internal FBI spy program reportedly used to surveil the Trump campaign has a long history of being used to protect killers and jail innocents.

    Following reports that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) used at least one spy to secretly surveil members of the Trump campaign, fired former FBI director James Comey lashed out at critics of his agency’s activities during the 2016 election.

    “Facts matter. The FBI’s use of Confidential Human Sources (the actual term) is tightly regulated and essential to protecting the country,” Comey tweeted on May 23. “Attacks on the FBI and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our country.”

    While Comey’s record on truth-telling is decidedly mixed, he is correct that facts matter and that the FBI’s use of informants is governed by strict guidelines. How and why many of those guidelines came to be are important facts that the American public deserves to know as it considers revelations that the FBI used wiretaps and spies to surveil Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, his transition, and perhaps even his presidential administration.

    Those guidelines, many of which the Government Accountability Office found were not being followed as recently as 2015, were put in place after rogue FBI agents working in the Boston field office routinely worked to cover up murders committed by their informants. You might say they were the direct result of justifiable attacks on the FBI for unconscionable violations of the public trust.

    In fact, years-long violations of the rules about the FBI’s use of secret spies have led to massive investigations across every branch of government, including a multi-volume, 3,528-page congressional investigative report in 2003, a scathing 314-page report from the Department of Justice (DOJ) inspector general in 2005, and even a scathing 228-page, $102 million ruling against the government in 2007 after a federal judge ruled that the FBI deliberately withheld evidence, leading to the wrongful convictions of four men, in order to protect a mob informant. (Three of the men were originally sentenced to death; two died in prison awaiting justice for a crime they didn’t commit.)

    The 2007 ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Gertner, which the federal government chose not to appeal, reads more like a John Grisham novel than it does a legal dictum. In her introduction, Gertner made clear that the horrific miscarriage of justice perpetrated under the guise of the FBI’s confidential spy program wasn’t the result of innocent missteps by a few bad apples, but was instead a coordinated conspiracy involving the rogue agents, their supervisors, and even the FBI director himself.

    The corrupt agents were “given raises and promotions precisely for their extraordinary role in procuring” the wrongful convictions, Gertner wrote.

    “Even when [their informant], the ‘poster boy’ for the new federal witness protection program, committed yet another murder, three federal officials testified — now for the second time — on his behalf,” noted Gertner. “FBI officials up the line allowed their employees to break laws, violate rules and ruin lives, interrupted only with the occasional burst of applause.”

    “When [three of the wrongfully convicted men] were sentenced to death,” Gertner wrote, “the FBI did not stand silently; they congratulated the agents for a job well done.”

    As detailed in a 2003 congressional report detailing the widespread and deliberate FBI corruption surrounding its confidential informant program, one agent who was directly involved in the conspiracy to frame four innocents was not just unapologetic, he was defiant.

    When a congressional panel conducting an investigation into the FBI’s handling of the original criminal case and its aftermath asked the agent if he felt remorse for what happened, he all but openly mocked the idea.

    “Would you like tears or something?” the agent shot back. “I believe the FBI handled it properly.”

    The elected lawmakers who investigated the FBI and later compiled a lengthy report on what happened didn’t expect anyone to pore through all 3,500 pages, so they subtly summarized their findings via the name of their report: “EVERYTHING SECRET DEGENERATES: THE FBI’S USE OF MURDERERS AS INFORMANTS.”

    Since then, the FBI and DOJ have reformed the bureau’s guidelines in hopes of avoiding another scandal like the one in Boston. But its shadow still lingers. A 2005 report from the DOJ inspector general found widespread violations of DOJ’s confidential informant guidelines by the FBI, which was then headed by Robert Mueller, who now serves as a special counsel investigating illegal foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    “We found significant problems in the FBI’s compliance with Guidelines’ provisions,” the inspector general’s report noted. The report specifically called out the FBI’s failure to properly document its explicit approval of illegal activities by its informants.

    “In total, we found one or more Guidelines compliance errors in 87 percent of the informant files we examined,” the investigation concluded.

    The inspector general wrote that the FBI’s failure to comply with basic guidelines governing the use of confidential informants was especially troubling given the FBI’s history in Boston. The report provided 47 separate recommendations to the FBI to improve its compliance with DOJ’s spy guidelines.

    The most chilling finding by the inspector general was that informants were authorized to engage in illegal activity even when the FBI hadn’t yet fully vetted and registered them as confidential informants. In one instance, the FBI authorized one of its informants to commit robbery, a violent crime, despite the fact that such activity is expressly forbidden by DOJ’s guidelines.

    In mid-2006, the issue of FBI spy abuse still had enough resonance that Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), who at the time served as the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, required then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to answer detailed questions about his agency’s guidelines for and oversight of the FBI’s confidential spy program.

    “We now know that there were over twenty murders by [FBI] informants in Massachusetts, and the FBI never told state and local law enforcement what it knew,” Leahy wrote. “On your watch, what steps are you taking to ensure that past misuse of confidential informants will not happen again? What safeguards in place to prevent abuses from occurring?”

    In her ruling excoriating the federal government for its willful perversion of justice through its use of confidential informants, federal judge Nancy Gertner forcefully tossed aside the idea, glibly offered by Comey and many of his defenders, that oversight of the FBI and transparency surrounding its activities and behavior somehow constitute a malicious attack on justice or democracy. To the contrary, Gertner noted that abuse by law enforcement officials was especially damaging because so much of our justice system depends on a collective trust in the ability of law enforcement officials, many of whom by necessity must operate in the dark, to be honest and forthright.

    “Sadly, when law enforcement perverts its mission, the criminal justice system does not easily self-correct,” she wrote. “While judges are scrutinized — our decisions made in public and appealed — law enforcement decisions like these rarely see the light of day. The public necessarily relies on the integrity and professionalism of its officials. It took nearly thirty years to uncover this injustice. It took the extraordinary efforts of a judge, a lawyer, even a reporter, to finally bring out the facts.”

    “Proof of innocence in this democracy should not depend upon efforts as gargantuan as these.”

    As James Comey said, facts matter. And given what we know about the FBI’s history with secret spies, facts matter especially when the FBI decides the public doesn’t deserve to know them.

    As I said yesterday, Comey’s comment that “Attacks on the FBI and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our country” is naïve at best, given that it was similar ‘attacks’ on the FBI and it’s processes that brought to light the egregious behaviour and misuse of power by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover (and of the Boston Field Office as detailed in the above article).

    Either Mr Comey (and others defending him) have completely forgotten the lessons of the past (and how does that old saying go?), or they are wilfully ignorant of history….

    … or they are that corrupted by the power that they truly think they are above the law.

  126. Diogenes

    gain, the issue is not about Islam, the residents are quite respectable by and large (it’s not cheap to live there) but it no longer feels like Australia.

    Catch the M60 bus from Hornsby to Parramatta. One side of a particular bus stop in Cherrybrook, the passengers are all Chinese, then they are all sub continentals .

    Mrs D & I were the only ‘anglos’ on the bus, and it really felt like we were strangers in our own land

  127. nemkat

    Smart politics by the Liberals.
    Luke Foley wanted to do a bit of free riding on the fact that State Governments don’t control Immigration, he got called on it, and folded.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks, Egg. I guess I was having a sad moment last nite, maybe jetlagged just a bit, and off the thimbles of Sake, back on the full glass Vno Veritas. I was actually considerably upset by the early April attacks. Chinks in the armor after all.

  129. egg_

    there I was thinking at a certain point our eyes don’t work together properly.

    My son’s eyes do this from around a metre out and the solution was corrective glasses.

    The real world meets metaphysics?
    Absurd reductionism will create absurd arguments.

  130. Some History

    The FBI has contracted Rowena Orr to question Alexander Downer.

  131. Zyconoclast

    …it no longer feels like Australia.

    Mass Immigration + Multiculturalism = Colonisation.

    Brought to you by the perfidious Uniparty

    Your eqation should end with the word invasion.

    I think this is more accurate.

    Diversity + Proximity = Conflict

  132. JC

    GOP announcing a resolution announcing they’re going after Crooked and whole deep state top tier.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=XR97EgcihlU

    It’s also announced that Crooked is going to be specifically investigated for the emails scandal.

    Watch, all of them are in serious trouble.

  133. Ragu

    No, moron.

    I’m saying that anyone on the left can’t take back a very sensible quote

  134. Viva

    I can report that Trump owns the minds of lefties

    I’m at a counselling seminar and his name has been uttered three times already
    OMG that’s his photo on the screen
    OMG there’s no shame in US politics
    OMG I get angry at the mention of his name in the papers

    This at a seminar on emotional regulation lol

  135. JC

    Jesus lord, this whole US intel scandal is sordid. I just want to refuse to believe it’s true though, as it’s really too horrible to believe it is.

    Jeffrey Epstein had a “black book.” He used under-age girls to collect damaging information on powerful people. This allegation here is that the @FBI used him and his underage “spies” as informants.

    FBI: Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein Was Informant for Mueller’s FBI; Special Counsel Under Fire for Deal with Sex Offender

    If this turns out to be true, maybe the pizza gate thing needs to be revisited.

  136. egg_

    Jim Molan’s efforts to address our domestic oil reserve shortage suggest he thinks a war with China is a distinct possibility.

    How about addressing our national Energy grid first – we are currently voluntarily depowering our steelmaking facilities, matey – how far is your head up your @rse?
    /Beholden to Lord Waffleworth

  137. JC

    Jesus lord, this whole US intel scandal is sordid. I just want to refuse to believe it’s true though, as it’s really too horrible to believe it is.

    Jeffrey Epstein had a “black book.” He used under-age girls to collect damaging information on powerful people. This allegation here is that the @FBI used him and his underage “spies” as informants.

    FBI: [email protected] dophile Jeffrey Epstein Was Informant for Mueller’s FBI; Special Counsel Under Fire for Deal with Sex Offender

    If this turns out to be true, maybe the pizza gate thing needs to be revisited.

  138. Boambee John

    candy
    #2719638, posted on May 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Chris Pyne says Luke Foley is disgraceful for his “white flight” comments.

    But really that simple though hard sounding expression summed up the immigration levels/population levels and social/employment aspects of all that exactly.

    Labor would be very foolish to be hard on him. He’s on the money.

    The Liebor SJWankers will throw the election to Turdballs rather than back down on unlimited open door immigration. They have no concern for the Australian working class.

    If Turdballs had 10% of the political nous of Trump, he would be moving to harness the Australian “Deplorables” as a reliable future voting bloc. He doesn’t have that nous, but might yet be saved by the SJWankers.

  139. egg_

    Our politicians, who have presided over this state of affairs, are at best second raters, at worst dangerous fools.

    Dastyari should be done for treason to set an example.

  140. JC

    Jesus lord, this whole US intel scandal is sordid. I just want to refuse to believe it’s true though, as it’s really too horrible to believe it is.

    Jeffrey Epstein had a “black book.” He used under-age girls to collect damaging information on powerful people. This allegation here is that the @FBI used him and his underage “spies” as informants.
    FBI: [email protected] dophile Jeffrey Epstein Was Informant for Mueller’s FBI; Special Counsel Under Fire for Deal with [email protected] @ffender

    If this turns out to be true, maybe the pizza gate thing needs to be revisited.

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    From some of the rest of OldOzzie’s link to Pickering. Worth highlighting here too:

    Australian heavy industries like refining, processing and manufacturing cannot rely on intermittent, unreliable, unpredictable, expensive green power so they will keep migrating in search of cheap reliable power. The associated skilled jobs will keep disappearing with them. Australia will revert to its colonial economy which relied on exports of raw materials from its mines, farms and forests. But this “New Economy” will have the extra burden of a vast bureaucracy, a large and growing welfare state and an aging population.

    Tomorrow’s Aussie kids will see their future is Asia – the old people left behind will get work as bureaucrats and nurses, or as child minders, tour guides and educators for rich Asian tourists and immigrants.

    However, as Australian Aborigines discovered over 200 years ago, the world will not allow us to monopolise forever a continent rich in valuable undeveloped resources in land, water, minerals, hydrocarbons, radioactives, timber and sea food. Hard heads and sharp eyes are looking us over.

    Wake up Australia. Burning coal does not control climate and carbon dioxide is the gas of life, NOT a pollutant. It’s time to turn the lights back on.

    We have little oil to run our defense capability and an army improperly focused on gender issues.
    We don’t have much steel making capacity and no heavy manufacturing industry.
    We have a leftist-captured media and politicians enthralled with approval from these.
    Sitting ducks?

  142. nemkat

    Geriatric mayfly
    #2719663

    No better example of white flight, than London’s East End. Barely a Cockney left, and swarming with women in black bags and blokes in pyjamas.

    Cockneys weren’t English, but mixtures of Gypsies, Eatern Europeans, Irish Travellers, and the like.
    The area was a crime infested shithole, good riddance to them.

  143. Slim Cognito

    Catch the M60 bus from Hornsby to Parramatta. One side of a particular bus stop in Cherrybrook, the passengers are all Chinese, then they are all sub continentals .

    I made the mistake of going into a supermarket in Springvale (VIC) once. Hardly recognised any of the fresh produce and all the labels were in some asian language . I was also the only Anglo in there. Left without buying anything.

  144. JC

    Just get a load of this. Can’t verify if it’s true, but nothing will surprise about US intel services anymore.

    https://tinyurl.com/yanvlrxj

  145. Myrddin Seren

    How about addressing our national Energy grid first – we are currently voluntarily depowering our steelmaking facilities, matey

    Trumble has promised to ‘Meet ‘our’ Paris Commitments’ as the preamble in every pronouncement on energy.

    Shorten and the Labor/Greens coalition want to double down on that.

    A nice, low-impact Zimbabwe style economy will allow them all to collect UN medals and a pat on the back.

    The rest of us will be huddling in the cold and dark.

  146. Myrddin Seren

    Australia will revert to its colonial economy which relied on exports of raw materials from its mines, farms and forests.

    Ummm – Larry hasn’t noticed that these are three areas the Green-Left want shut down too ?

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Chris Pyne says Luke Foley is disgraceful for his “white flight” comments.

    ‘White flight’ is a term that has been used in America for decades to describe the movement of WASP’s to the suburbs from the inner cities. In recent years there has been some re-urbanisation, as high tech jobs have concentrated middle class yuppies (young urban professionals), back to the older architecture of the previously working class suburbs. These descriptors are part of generally accepted parlance (i.e. speech). There is nothing new, unusual or racist about using them in analysis. To believe there is simply demonstrates how far down the path of hyper-sensitive lunacy our polity has travelled, leaving Australia in the parlous (unspeakable) situation I highlighted in my last comment.

  148. Myrddin Seren

    From the 5/24/18 FBI Vault release: “Epstein has also provided information to the FBI as agreed upon.”

    Obviously nothing about Bubba Clinton though, given Epstein has not contracted the 100% fatal condition known as Arkanacide ?

  149. cohenite

    Roger

    #2719626, posted on May 25, 2018 at 9:45 am

    North Korea is a minor problem for us compared with China. China’s imperial goals mean we are on the cusp of the most serious threat to our national sovereignty since 1942. Jim Molan’s efforts to address our domestic oil reserve shortage suggest he thinks a war with China is a distinct possibility. China’s strategic goal is clear: to push the US out of the south and west Pacific and back to Hawaii, leaving us like the proverbial shag on a rock. We have not done our part as an American ally in rebuffing China’s soft power from our region, preferring to vainly strut the world stage as a pretend “middle power”. Indeed, we haven’t even kept China’s soft power from reaching into our own institutions, much to the Americans’ concern. Our politicians, who have presided over this state of affairs, are at best second raters, at worst dangerous fools.

    Well said.

  150. egg_

    How about addressing our national Energy grid first – we are currently voluntarily depowering our steelmaking facilities, matey – how far is your head up your @rse?

    Molan’s retarded solution will likely be a blackout of McMansions air con to keep our steelmakers in business.
    /Toady

  151. egg_

    Trumble has promised to ‘Meet ‘our’ Paris Commitments’ as the preamble in every pronouncement on energy.

    Presumably, every other signee has paid it ‘lip service’.

  152. nemkat

    Ummm – Larry hasn’t noticed that these are three areas the Green-Left want shut down too ?
    Dunno.
    The Greens operate a standover racket, to wit:
    They will attack a Mine, rural industry, or a particular forest industry on reasonable sounding grounds. The Industry then has to find some way to pay them off to get them off their backs.
    Alternatively, they may be acting clandestinely, for a competitor.
    Either way, there’ll be a payoff.
    Let’s look at the $1.6 mil. they got from Wotif, and large donations from the CFMMEU and the ETU.

    What was the source of those donations?

  153. egg_

    Jim Molan’s efforts to address our domestic oil reserve shortage suggest he thinks a war with China is a distinct possibility.

    “We will fight them on the beaches…” with cardboard swords.

  154. Some History

    A nice, low-impact Zimbabwe style economy will allow them all to collect UN medals and a pat on the back.
    The rest of us will be huddling in the cold and dark.

    The “reasoning” of the wealthy is that if poverty must be inflicted on society, then who better to handle it than the already poor; they’re used to it. Conversely, the wealthy aren’t used to it. They won’t handle it well and shouldn’t be expected to. Ergo, the wealthy should be protected from ever having to endure being poor.

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cockneys weren’t English, but mixtures of Gypsies, Eatern Europeans, Irish Travellers, and the like.

    The ‘English’ have always been a polyglot nation, the major ingredient in Englishness being TIME. Cockney culture was a mix, but it had plenty of time to create its own language and identity on a fundamental Celto-Germanic base. That’s how cultures work, for very few are ‘closed’. Open societies are successful ones.

    However, a twenty-five year replacement of existing ‘Cockneys’ with a completely alien culture from the middle east and beyond is not in any way comparable to slow inputs from nearby places. Removal of much of the culture of the East End to newer housing estates on the outskirts of far away industrial towns in the 1960’s in an attempt at ‘urban renewal’ sounded part of the Cockney death-knell. The mass immigration of Islamic peoples has just about finished the Cockney’s off via ‘white flight’.

  156. nemkat

    Trumble has promised to ‘Meet ‘our’ Paris Commitments’ as the preamble in every pronouncement on energy.
    Tony Abbott signed off on those commitments on 14th September 2015, the day before he got the arse.
    So, don’t blame Turnbull.

  157. egg_

    and large donations from the CFMMEU

    Looks like the Banks are copping more of a pasting than TURC.

  158. hzhousewife

    My local NAB branch is doing the free coffee thing this morning lol.

  159. zyconoclast

    Chris Pyne says Luke Foley is disgraceful for his “white flight” comments.

    Luke Foley is the NSW opposition leader what relevance is that to a Federal Member form SA?

    Is this Chryssie Pynes “George Bandis burqa moment”?

  160. nemkat

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2719736

    Cockneys weren’t English, but mixtures of Gypsies, Eatern Europeans, Irish Travellers, and the like.

    The ‘English’ have always been a polyglot nation, …

    Not even slightly right.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/

  161. Oh come on

    LOL ABC News app is running a lead article written by the ABC’s increasingly clownish DC correspondent, Zoe Daniels. It claims to be an analysis of Trump’s decision to can the NK-US summit. Its headline is

    Trump pulled the pin, but it’s hard to avoid the feeling that he is the one being played

    Hahabahaha.

    Actually, it’s true that it is hard for ABC journalists to avoid such feelings, regardless of narrative-disrupting facts. Thanks for finally being honest, ABC News.

  162. stackja

    Oh come on
    #2719749, posted on May 25, 2018 at 11:44 am
    LOL ABC News app is running a lead article written by the ABC’s increasingly clownish DC correspondent, Zoe Daniels. It claims to be an analysis of Trump’s decision to can the NK-US summit. Its headline is

    Trump pulled the pin, but it’s hard to avoid the feeling that he is the one being played

    Hahabahaha.

    Actually, it’s true that it is hard for ABC journalists to avoid such feelings, regardless of narrative-disrupting facts. Thanks for finally being honest, ABC News.

    Any port in Zoe’s Storm?

  163. Boambee John

    C.L.
    #2719676, posted on May 25, 2018 at 10:42 am
    The key pathology at work here, Joanna, is the trashing of “consent of the governed.”
    That was always the philosophical lodestar of democracy. Now – throughout the Western world – the governing class hates the “governed.” Hates them. Not only do they hate them, they actually judge their own virtue by the extremes they’re willing to impose in order to overcome what the governed prefer, desire, believe in and yearn for.

    Indeed. There was a book published a few years ago called Terror and Consent, by Phillip Bobbitt. He was a staffer for Democrat presidents, and was pushing the superiority of “states of consent” of the governed. Within 20 years, the party he supported, and its counterparts elsewhere in the West, had essentially abandoned the concept of “consent of the governed”. Left fascism is on the march.

  164. Slayer of Memes

    Breaking: ‘Potential Mass Shooting’ Stopped By ‘Armed Citizen’ Who Shoots Gunman

    Via Washington Times:

    A potential mass shooting in Oklahoma City was prevented by an armed citizen killing the gunman, the city’s police department reported Thursday evening.

    CNN had reported a gunman and multiple casualties at Louie’s Grill & Bar in Oklahoma City, citing the department’s Twitter feed.

    But the police Twitter feed later reported that “the only confirmed fatality is the suspect. He was apparently shot-to-death by an armed citizen.”

    “Three citizens were injured, two of whom were shot … there is no indication of terrorism at this point,” the Department posted.

    Good Guy with gun stops Bad Guy with gun…

    Leftists silent…

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is interesting to note that the West Indian immigrants, so feared in the 60’s, actually integrated very well into Cockney ways and culture, and certainly into the language Cockney’s used. They may have looked very different and identifiable as immigrants due to this, but they came from British-influenced cultures and wanted very much to live British lives. Successful, in the main. Very much the opposite of the Muslim isolationists, who do not wish to integrate, but to change the host society into their own preferred image.

    How wonderful last night on Outsiders to see the Young Royalists. One was an earnest young South Indian newcomer to Oz, who had recently realized, as a law student, that the legal and cultural virtues the British brought to his homeland were very much worth preserving in Oz, his new homeland. The other Young Royalist, appearing on first glance to be a buttoned-down scion of WASP privilege, introduced himself as a Catholic Irishman. Tres amusant. Both around 26 years old.

  166. nemkat

    Luke Foley is the NSW opposition leader what relevance is that to a Federal Member form SA?

    Foley was trying to do a little inter Brand differentiation, he got called on it, and folded.
    That’s politics.
    Are you suggesting that Pyne, as Leader of the House, should have let him get away with it?

  167. Some History

    My local NAB branch is doing the free coffee thing this morning lol.

    And offering free piggybacks to the ATM. You can do your transaction while astride. “No, it’s no trouble at all. Hop on…. PLEASE, PLEASE hop on”.

  168. mh

    The fortunes of the Democratic Party may be on the slide, but they still have the support of MS-13, Iran…and Stormy’s tits. And Stormy’s tits should not be underestimated.

  169. JC

    Numbnuts:

    If I pay for an MRI would you agree to a brain scan? The reason is that I suspect you may be the only person alive whose only part of the brain that’s functional is the brain stem. I want to use it for further research.

  170. zyconoclast

    The ‘English’ have always been a polyglot nation, the major ingredient in Englishness being TIME. Cockney culture was a mix, but it had plenty of time to create its own language and identity on a fundamental Celto-Germanic base. That’s how cultures work, for very few are ‘closed’. Open societies are successful ones.

    However, a twenty-five year replacement of existing ‘Cockneys’ with a completely alien culture from the middle east and beyond is not in any way comparable to slow inputs from nearby places. Removal of much of the culture of the East End to newer housing estates on the outskirts of far away industrial towns in the 1960’s in an attempt at ‘urban renewal’ sounded part of the Cockney death-knell. The mass immigration of Islamic peoples has just about finished the Cockney’s off via ‘white flight’.

    Dr Campbell Campbell-Jack: Britain is not a nation of immigrants

    Due to the relatively small numbers of immigrants since the settlement of Anglo-Saxons and others in these isles during the 5th to 7th centuries the basic population has remained remarkably homogeneous. Between 1066 and the turn of the 20th century, it is unlikely that the foreign-born proportion of the population ever exceeded 2 per cent, if that. The oft cited French Huguenots for example, numbered no more than 50,000 and are unlikely to have constituted more than 1 per cent of the population. Sharing a religion with the Protestant British they quickly assimilated and became part of the fabric of the nation.

    Up until the present century the make-up of the British population was pretty much as it had been for more than 1,000 years. A study by the Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics in Oxford and published in Nature (2015) reported that native Britons living in one particular area of the country are almost as closely related to other Britons living elsewhere in the country as they are to their immediate neighbours. The indications are that there is very little genetic structure differentiation within the native British population.

  171. Bruce of Newcastle

    Trump pulled the pin, but it’s hard to avoid the feeling that he is the one being played

    He was being played which is why he pulled the pin Zoe.

    North Koreans stood up White House advance team in Singapore

    North Korea stood up U.S. officials in Singapore last week at a meeting that was intended to set the stage for President Trump’s now-canceled summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, the White House said Thursday.

    White House deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin and other U.S. officials arrived in Singapore to meet with North Korean officials for a meeting that had been set up by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his North Korean counterparts.

    “They waited and they waited,” a senior White House official said. “The North Koreans never showed up. They simply stood us up.”

    The major snub was one part of a “trail of broken promises” by North Korea in recent weeks that led Mr. Trump to cancel the June 12 summit, the official said.

    Usual art of the deal is to announce something painful next, like inspections of Nork departing ships to start from some date in the future. Maybe that’s why the Norks were squawking ‘we didn’t mean it please come back!’ this morning.

  172. nemkat

    From my link at 11.42 a.m.:

    THEY came, they saw, they conquered. But while the Romans, Vikings and Normans ruled Britain for many years, none left their genetic calling cards behind in the DNA of today’s mainland Caucasian population. That’s the message from the most comprehensive analysis yet of the genetic make-up of the white British population.

    The only invaders that left a lasting legacy are the Anglo-Saxons. As well as giving us the English language, the Anglo-Saxons, whose influx began around AD 450, account for 10 to 40 per cent of the DNA in half of modern-day Britons.

  173. Oh come on

    LOL on today’s Ben Shapiro Show, a new sponsor is unveiled – http://www.puppyspot.com

    Ben Shapiro is selling puppies. Now I’ve seen everything.

  174. The real world meets metaphysics?

    Metaphysics begins in the real world.

    Absurd reductionism will create absurd arguments.

    The problem is not so much with the conclusion but with the premises. The premises have to go.

  175. H B Bear

    LOL ABC News app is running a lead article written by the ABC’s increasingly clownish DC correspondent, Zoe Daniels.

    Zoe is funnier than the rest of the ALPBC “comedians”. I wonder if she does kids parties?

    The role of a foreign correspondent is a complete anachronism in the internet age. Once upon a time the position would have been held by a senior j’ismist with decades of experience able to place foreign news in an Australian context for readers and viewers. Now it is a perk for some 30 something j’ismist to have a few years OS with all those generous expenses and allowances while waiting for something senior to turn up at Ultimo as they prise a couple off the teat Quentin Dumpster style with a few big bags of redundancy cash. An informed viewer who follows a couple of local websites or blogs is at least as well informed as anyone based in the country and in the case of people like Zoe, considerably more objective.

    More ALPBC fat that could be cut tomorrow.

  176. Todesgiraffen

    Come on.
    Take me out of moderation.

  177. zyconoclast

    The last whites of the East End: BBC documentary

    The last whites of the East End: BBC documentary reveals how cockneys are becoming an endangered species in London borough of Newham after 70,000 immigrants moved in BBC’s Last Whites of the East End looks at life in Newham, east London The area has had an influx of 70,000 immigrants in the past 15 years White British families say ‘Cockney’ traditions are now dying out ‘East Enders’ say community spirit has gone forever and area is a ‘slum’ Newham is UK’s most culturally diverse borough according to 2011 census.
    Cockneys are becoming an endangered species in a London borough after 70,000 immigrants have moved in over the past 15 years, a BBC documentary has revealed. The white population of Newham is leaving in droves, according to the Last Whites of the East End, which claims 73 per cent of the local population is now made up of ethnic minorities and Black British.
    It was previously almost all white working class, with the majority dockworkers, but has now become the most multicultural place in the UK, with 147 languages spoken across the borough. Although many of the area’s new residents consider themselves ‘proper East Enders’, some say the differences in culture and religion are creating divides, with ethnic groups sticking together.
    Newham has 66 primary schools and two decades ago more than half the pupils were white British. But now one school – Drew Primary – has just three white British children per class, with 43 languages spoken throughout its halls.
    Peter Bell has been secretary at East Ham Working Men’s Club for more than 25 years and said it was one of the last strongholds of traditional East End culture in the area. The club hosts everything from tea dances to boxing club matches and is trying to keep community spirit together. Mr Bell, 66, told MailOnline: ‘I think we are vital to the area. We try to keep as busy as we can and keep our traditions going. ‘If we closed then I can’t help but think where would some of these people go? Where would the old ladies who come here every week go? What would they have to look forward to? ‘We live in one of the poorest boroughs in the country, and when you walk out of this club, what you see is essentially a slum.’
    Mr Bell, who used to work in newspapers, added the different cultures in the area only caused divisions because people don’t interact with each other. He said: ‘I mean no disrespect to the Muslim community, but I don’t think they want to be part of the traditions here.

  178. Slayer of Memes

    True colors: Rachel Dolezal being charged with welfare fraud and perjury

    We like to check in on former NAACP chapter president Rachel Dolezal, aka Nkechi Amare Diallo, every now and then to see what she’s up to. Vanity Fair reported that for a while, she was doing weaves and braids three days a week to make ends meet, and last we checked, she was selling a 2018 wall calendar filled with professional portrait photos, inspirational quotes, and dozens of important birthdays and black history facts.

    Wonder how that wall calendar looks in a jail cell?

    KHQ reports:

    Former Spokane Chapter NAACP President Rachel Dolezal is now facing legal trouble that could land her behind bars. KHQ has confirmed that Dolezal, who legally changed her name to Nkechi Diallo in 2016, is accused of 1st Degree Theft by Welfare Fraud, Perjury in the 2nd Degree, and False Verification for Public Assistance. Her potential punishment under RCW 74.08.331 could include up to 15 years in prison.

    Because Dolezal changed her name, we’ll be referring to her as Nkechi Diallo. According to court documents, Diallo illegally received $8,747 in food assistance, and illegally received $100 in childcare assistance. Total restitution, according to the documents, is $8,847, allegedly stolen from August 2015 through November 2017.

    “At one point when asked as to how she was paying her bills, she reported, “Barely! With help from friends and gifts,” KHQ reports. However, bank records showed she had deposited about $83,924 into her bank account in several monthly installments between August 2015 and September 2017, without reporting the income. The money, according to the case file, had come from authoring her book, ‘In Full Color,’ speaking engagements, soap making, doll making, and the sale of her art.

    Wow!!

    Who would EVER have guessed that good ol’ trans-black Rachel would ever be involved in perpetuating a fraud…?

  179. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Some good news finally for this hell stained and doomed world.

    Trump has pardoned Jack Johnson:

    https://twitter.com/PARISDENNARD/status/999703780278046720

  180. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Dan Linden

    Verified account

    @DanLinden

    President Trump on @TheSlyStallone after signing posthumous pardon for boxer Jack Johnson: “I love his movies, I don’t care if it’s Rambo or Rocky, I still don’t know which I like better.” https://abcn.ws/2IH84oB

    Me either, Don.

  181. mh

    Christopher Pyne is definitely no ‘Chris’.

  182. OldOzzie

    Editorials

    Sorry, But Obama White House, Not Dossier, Was Behind Trump Investigation

    SpyGate: Did the Obama administration spy on the Donald Trump campaign because it feared Russian hacking of the 2016 election? Or was it merely a smokescreen to cover up the real reason: to keep Trump from winning the presidency or take him down if he did?

  183. nemkat

    JC
    #271975
    Numbnuts:

    If I pay for an MRI would you agree to a brain scan?

    The results would fry the electronics of the scanner.
    Those are expensive machines, you know?

  184. stackja

    Rivers of Blood speech – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
    On 20 April 1968, British Member of Parliament Enoch Powell addressed a meeting of the Conservative Political Centre in Birmingham, United Kingdom.

  185. Slayer of Memes

    Fossil Fuel Martyr: Mrs Tom Steyer Resigns from Harvard

    Kat Taylor—wife of billionaire environmental activist Tom Steyer—has resigned from Harvard’s Board of Overseers in protest at the university’s ongoing refusal to divest itself of its fossil fuel investment holdings.

    The Daily Caller reports:

    Taylor had enough of Harvard University’s fossil fuel investments. She stepped down from her position as a member of the Harvard Board of Overseers on Tuesday. In her resignation letter, Taylor decried the school’s “failure” to “adopt ethical commitments,” according to the Harvard Crimson.

    “We should and would be horrified to find out that Harvard investments are actually funding some of the pernicious activities against which our standout academic leadership rails,” her letter stated. “But that is where we still sit, vulnerable to the inevitable association with our investment targets that profiting from them demands.

    Harvard has a total endowment of $37.1 billion, with some investments in fossil fuels. The prestigious university has long faced pressure to divest. Over 100 Harvard faculty penned an open letter in 2014 urging University President Drew Faust to do so. In 2015, 20 students stormed a university building and demanded divestment. In March 2017, members of the activist organization Divest Harvard made similar demands while blockading University Hall.

    It’s possible, however, that Harvard’s Board of Overseers won’t feel the loss of Ms Taylor too keenly. Her resignation, highly principled and selfless though it surely was, reportedly came just one day before her six-year term was due to expire.

  186. Senile Old Guy

    Normally, scroll the troll but…

    Lizzie: The ‘English’ have always been a polyglot nation, …

    Troll: Not even slightly right.

    From the troll’s paper:

    The insights come from a study of DNA samples donated by 2039 Caucasian people from around the UK. Each was selected because all four of their grandparents were born within 80 kilometres of each other, allowing the researchers to infer their grandparents’ DNA and later link it to a location. Because the grandparents were born on average in 1885, the analysis enabled a genetic snapshot of Caucasian Britain prior to immigrations since then.

    A carefully selected non-representative sample of DNA from (effectively) over 100 years ago.

    It is hardly likely to be representative of the UK even 50 years ago.

    Always check the sources; they are usually misrepresented.

  187. C.L.

    I don’t like historical ‘pardons’ at all.
    Americans back then had a law on the statute books making it illegal to transport women across state lines for “immoral” purposes. Who are we to judge their laws? Jack Johnson was a philanderer (with white women) on an epic scale. He was no innocent and no hero.

  188. C.L.

    Inevitable-ism spotted in the wild – twice!

    This week Bob Carr said recognition of the “state” of “Palestine” was “inevitable.
    This morning an “expert” on the news said a sugar tax was “inevitable.”

  189. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Johnson may have made it with a lot of white women but so has infamous African America President Donald Trump.

    Bros before hoes.

  190. nemkat

    Senile Old Guy:

    Lizzie claimed ”England has always been a polyglot Nation,…”
    You’re extract of my link, above, doesn’t support her assertion in the slightest.
    But, thanks for playing anyway.

  191. C.L.

    Wow, JC.
    Mueller covered up Epstein’s child molestation?
    Didn’t a court just convict Archbishop Wilson for that?

  192. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The ‘English’ have always been a polyglot nation, …
    Not even slightly right.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/

    Nemkat, I am perfectly well aware of the lack of a major ‘Saxon’ invasion into Britain in the fifth century, just as there was no ‘Celtic’ population input other than significant input from Gaul in pre-Roman times: for the Parisii in the North of Britain may also relate to the European Parisii. Similarly, the Cimbri and the Guatodini indicate Scandinavian contact and likely origins with the genetic picture suggesting a strong Scando-Germanic component existed in the British population prior to the Roman invasion (read David Oppenheimer, The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story). Oppenheimer is a recognized authority in the field of genetic tracing.

    Populations were moving all over Europe in times long after the ice age melt which caused rising sea levels, with land going up and down due to relief from the pressures of ice causing various place to rise while other fell. Populations wandered then due to other social and climatic disturbances. Britain was less isolated than has been thought, although there is definitely a long time-depth of earlier genetic populations. Cheshire Man, dated older then ten thousand years, found in a cave, had similar DNA to a local schoolteacher.

    Re Cockneys: they as a ‘culture’ definitely were polyglot. A major input came with the Huguenot influx into East Anglia and London from the seventeenth century onwards. I have Huguenot ancestry myself. For the rest, the time period we think of as Cockney was developed from then on, and as a dockland area the inputs from other nations and cultures was significant, especially on language, which is indicated by the term ‘polyglot’ itself. Indeed, Shaw’s imagined Professor of Phonemics, Henry Higgins, could point to linguistic sub-cultures within ‘Cockney’ areas which didn’t arise out of nowhere. At the back of the novel ‘Call the Midwife’ by Jennifer Worth, an account Cockney life, she provides a very interesting analysis of Cockney linguistics.

    Please stop being such an attack dog on me. I do know what I am talking about. If you require further explication, then ask me for it.

  193. egg_

    Trump pulled the pin, but it’s hard to avoid the feeling that he is the one being played

    Spinning Their ABC’s watercooler ‘nuance’?

  194. Geriatric mayfly

    The mass immigration of Islamic peoples has just about finished the Cockney’s off via ‘white flight’.

    Could have happened already, but when the Blind Beggar serves its last pint on Whitechapel Rd. the final curtain will have come down. Jellied eels in Bethnal Green disappeared aeons ago.

  195. stackja

    Chuck Berry
    From Wikipedia

    By the end of the 1950s, Berry was a high-profile established star with several hit records and film appearances and a lucrative touring career. He had opened a racially integrated St. Louis nightclub, Berry’s Club Bandstand, and invested in real estate.[33] But in December 1959, he was arrested under the Mann Act after allegations that he had had sexual intercourse with a 14-year-old Apache waitress, Janice Escalante,[34] whom he had transported across state lines to work as a hatcheck girl at his club.[35] After a two-week trial in March 1960, he was convicted, fined $5,000, and sentenced to five years in prison.[36] He appealed the decision, arguing that the judge’s comments and attitude were racist and prejudiced the jury against him. The appeal was upheld,[5][37] and a second trial was heard in May and June 1961,[38] resulting in another conviction and a three-year prison sentence.[39] After another appeal failed, Berry served one and one-half years in prison, from February 1962 to October 1963.[40] He had continued recording and performing during the trials, but his output had slowed as his popularity declined; his final single released before he was imprisoned was “Come On”.[41]

  196. stackja

    C.L.
    #2719784, posted on May 25, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    Wow, JC.
    Mueller covered up Epstein’s child molestation?
    Didn’t a court just convict Archbishop Wilson for that?

    Big difference. Double standards.

  197. egg_

    Metaphysics begins in the real world.

    Can they differentiate a male and female human brain?

  198. C.L.

    Lizzie claimed ”England has always been a polyglot Nation,…”
    You’re extract of my link, above, doesn’t support her assertion in the slightest.

    Actually, DNA studies show England has indeed always been polyglot as Lizzie describes.
    There was an ABC doco about this on tele a couple of years ago.

  199. areff

    Didn’t a court just convict Archbishop Wilson for that?

    Just posted:

    Evidence, Memory and the Law

  200. nemkat

    The Mann Act is still on the books, C.L., and still being enforced.
    Agree with you on posthumous Pardons, though.
    Acording to Gunboat Smith [White Heavyweight Champion around 1914], Johnson’s second wife, Belle Schreiber, ”was a whore right out of a House [of ill repute]”, and his first wife, Lucille Cameron, had committed suicide.
    Trump rewriting history here, not a good look.
    Link to Peter Heller’s In This Corner: 40 World’s Champions Tell Their Stories

  201. Can they differentiate a male and female human brain?

    Who cares? They are programmed differently.

    Males are programmed to do whatever it takes to get a root.

    Females are programmed to exploit males that want a root.

    There you have it. The meaning of life.

    No charge.

  202. C.L.

    Jack Johnson bedded white women more or less to troll white society.
    That’s how it started, though obviously once you try white, you never alight.
    It became almost a habit with him. See also Tiger Woods.
    Good old boys were always going to make him pay – and pay he did.
    Foreign to our way of looking at things now but that was a different world.
    Is out time and morality superior?
    No.

  203. OldOzzie

    Chairman Xi Jinping Responds: North Korea says it is still willing to talk with US “at any time” and in “any format”

    The MSM is insufferable in their intentional disconnect of the dynamic behind the North Korean denuclearization talks. It was Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping who brought the DPRK to the table; and it was Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping who pushed North Korea away from the table in their manipulative efforts to extract trade concessions. Every other review of the geopolitical gamesmanship is chaff and countermeasures.

    U.S. President Trump is holding massive steel and aluminum tariffs as an economic sword of Damocles over the head of Beijing during ongoing trade negotiations. Chairman Xi sought to increase his own leverage by pulling North Korea’s Chairman Kim Jong-un away from bilateral peace and denuclearization talks. However, POTUS Trump responded to the Beijing power-play by announcing a Section 232 trade review over the entire auto-industry; and then bolstered his counter-move by cancelling talks with Kim Jong-un.

    Red Dragon didn’t expect President Trump to respond so effectively to the customary schemes notoriously famous in any Chinese negotiation encounter. I really believe Chairman Xi underestimates how adept POTUS Trump is at cutting through the obfuscation and obtuse moves.

    President Trump simply doesn’t operate in the land of traditional diplomatic discomfort… he doesn’t have any inclination to play these insufferable games.

    Within minutes of President Trump withdrawing from the June 12th summit, Beijing realized all of their trade leverage was just wiped out. Playing deceptive panda isn’t going to work this time.

  204. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Meant to mention too that the Gallic tribes called Cantii had a significant impact in the area now known as Kent, although later settlers in this area seem to have come from Jutland on the Danish peninsula, hence they were called Jutes (referred to by Bede as component ethnicities in his time, along with Angles and Saxons). ‘Saxon’ seems to have been a generic term for people of Germanic origin so is not particularly useful as an identifier of locational origin. English seems to be actually closely related to early Flemish although there is also a lot of Norse.

    I should add too that various geneticists produce slightly differing pictures of the origins of the British. A lot depends on which studies they have been relying on, and as new ones in other areas as well as replications in the same areas are still coming in, then the picture is still very much open to interpretation; by no means a closed show. In general though ancient ancestral European lines mingling with genetic lines coming up the Atlantic coast from Spain paint the picture in broad terms.

  205. egg_

    “The notion of property is fundamentally different between modern culture and indigenous people. In practice, modernity posits property as a set of material rights that are notionally comparable to other material values. Indigenous people perceive property only partially in these terms and place greater emphasis on origins and obligations of property within an understanding of community that is alien to modern culture.

    If property is recognized to consist of both material and non-material values, then it cannot be adequately valued in commercial terms alone. The Australian experience in assessing compensation for the extinguishment of indigenous ownership has been less than satisfactory with few resolutions and many of those negotiated in secret. Conclusions from this experience provide insights into the nature of the dilemma posed by attempting to render indigenous interests in land into modern commercial terms.

    The recognition of the metaphysical foundation of the respective systems of property goes some distance toward understanding the difficulties involved in the valuation of indigenous interests. The solution probably lies outside the attempt to transfer ownership when the real need is merely use.”

  206. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ben Shapiro is selling puppies. Now I’ve seen everything.

    Yes but have you seen his sisters puppies?

  207. egg_

    They are programmed differently.

    Beware the metaphysicians – what’s their gender distribution?

  208. nemkat

    Actually, DNA studies show England has indeed always been polyglot as Lizzie describes.
    There was an ABC doco about this on tele a couple of years ago.

    Link to that, erm, ABC doco, please, C.L.?
    Sounds like AgitProp to me, my link to the New Scientist, above, sows that the English are pretty much unchanged for thousands of years.

  209. Snoopy

    C.L.
    #2719784, posted on May 25, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    Wow, JC.
    Mueller covered up Epstein’s child molestation?

    I can still remember when P1zzagate was considered #FakeNews

  210. egg_

    English are pretty much unchanged for thousands of years.

    What of the preponderance of UK-born thespians with Eyetie/Mediterranean names – Peter Capaldi, Alfred Molina, ad finitum?

  211. Tel

    Johnson may have made it with a lot of white women but so has infamous African America President Donald Trump.

    Actually Trump is buy-racial. He can afford to be.

  212. Roger

    The role of a foreign correspondent is a complete anachronism in the internet age.

    Indeed.

    Having said that, the role of a national broadcaster is a complete anachronism in the internet age.

    Ditto SBS & NITV.

  213. Snoopy

    Actually, DNA studies show England has indeed always been polyglot as Lizzie describes.

    I’ll keep an open mind until I know what The Lancet says.

  214. nemkat

    What of the preponderance of UK-born thespians with Eyetie/Mediterranean names – Peter Capaldi, Alfred Molina, ad finitum?

    Not sure where you’re going with this, old boy.
    The English are essentially unchanged over thousands of years. DNA evidence proves that.
    Now, that fact is pretty incredible, but it’s true, nonetheless.

  215. notafan

    Would it be fair to say that up until the Second World War the UK was mostly white?

  216. Leigh Lowe

    mh

    #2719756, posted on May 25, 2018 at 11:55 am

    The fortunes of the Democratic Party may be on the slide, but they still have the support of MS-13, Iran…and Stormy’s tits. And Stormy’s tits should not be underestimated.

    Maybe.
    But Stormy’s tits are swinging voters.
    They’re fickle.
    They’re umpredictable.

  217. Oh come on

    Fleccas Talks covers West Hollywood event giving the keys to the city to Stormy Daniels, and speaks to some of the dumbest people on God’s Green Earth who have gathered to celebrate.

  218. pete m

    C.L.
    #2719651, posted on May 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Trump pardons Jack Johnson …
    Not in favour of these historical ‘pardons.’

    soon after:

    C.L.
    #2719666, posted on May 25, 2018 at 10:33 am
    The conversion of Western leftists to full-blown McCarthyism is one of the most amusing switcheroos in modern times. They owe the Senator a fulsome apology.

    some apology for past wrongs bad – some good.

    I appreciate not exactly identical “apology” but they both seek to correct historical wrongs in similar ways.

  219. Leigh Lowe

    While Trump is at it, I hope he issues a pardon to OJ Simpson for both those murders.

  220. Zyconoclast

    One man’s plan to let wolves roam free in the Highlands

    Lister’s plans for the controlled release of a pack of Swedish wolves have been known for years but last week he seemed to issue an ultimatum to the Highland and Islands council, using a local newspaper interview to tell them: “I want to do this, but we would really need to have the details nailed down by the end of 2018.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/08/wolves-scotland-reintroduction-lister-alladale

  221. Geriatric mayfly

    Ah! The memories. The Lawrence Primary School in the East End, all kids gathered every morning to kick off in song _ All things bright and beautiful. Cockney kids and many teachers of the same ilk, down to Cook in the kitchen. A sprinkling of West Indian and Pakistani students, who as Lizzie said, were only too happy to blend in with the existing culture, and speak the lingo. That was back in the Dreamtime.
    I went back there 25 years later and at the office immediately lost interest in the place once I became aware of the super majority of enrolees.

  222. Makka

    Trump has reasoned that Kim Phat Won is not of the appropriate frame of mind to be engaged in talks, of any nature, just yet. Let the Phat Phuc stew a little and learn some manners. In any case Trump’s hands are full bringing China to heel and of course SPYGATE.

    The bed wetters here need to go change their nappies and take a lie down.

  223. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpys Tweet Of The Day

    -Best Girl Lauren Rose Edition

    Lauren Rose
    @LaurenRoseUltra
    Most women are born with natural birth control called LEGS. You get to open and close them at your own discretion.

  224. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    While Trump is at it, I hope he issues a pardon to OJ Simpson for both those murders.

    And Bill Cosby.

    As a proud black man, it is the least Trump can do.

  225. Makka

    Joined by Sylvester Stallone, current and past boxing champions, earlier today President Donald Trump posthumously pardoned boxer Jack Johnson.

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A lot of the problem with identifying ‘the British’ relates to the unnecessary compounding of ‘culture and language’ with ‘genetic identity’. The two can be kept quite separate although genetic input is useful as a signifier of likely cultural and linguistic input also. But these can occur without a skerrick of genetic evidence. Not disaggregating genes and culture led firstly to theories of a massive ‘celtic’ invasion from Central Europe some two thousand or more years before the Roman invasion (now completely discredited) and then, in the fifth century after the departure of Rome, came the belief in a sudden and disastrous ‘Saxon’ invasion, repelled for a short period by a warrior Christian king called Arthur, whom sensible analysists like me dismiss as a fabrication (I have new and good theories concerning how this fabrication came about; what is particularly interesting to me is how long this hoodwink lasted). The ‘Saxon invasion’ theory has still not completely disappeared, but it is fast collapsing now.

    Archaeologists have found no evidence of this ‘Saxon invasion’, indeed some, like Francis Pryor, have looked at the ‘Saxon shore’ and its Roman forts in another light altogether: seeing them as trading centres with possibly a Germanic population residing on these eastern coasts of Britain already. We do know that the breakaway movements from Rome included many Germanic peoples (little recognized is that by the third century both Gaul and Britain had experienced breakaway movements that required the heavy Roman boot to dissolve). See the Gallic Imperiumand the Imperium Britanniarum.

    The Roman hold on all but lower Gaul was tenuous by the third century, and probably even before then. Due recognition of this throws new light on what was happening in Britain at the time of the Roman departure and the reasons for it. I have written an article on this outlining some of my views which I wish to extend into a book (for it is a complex analysis). The article is insurance in case I fall off the twig. 🙂

  227. nemkat

    notafan
    #271981
    Would it be fair to say that up until the Second World War the UK was mostly white?

    Not exactly the same argument. DNA evidence is that they’re the same people, unchanged for thousands of years.
    I did read recently that migration to the U.K. in any single year since 1990 exceeds the total migration for all the years between 1500 and 1950.

  228. thefrolickingmole

    Please note troll, having been ignored after baiting with “school s*xual abuse isnt the same as clerical abuse” has successfully tried the tactic of presenting an oppositional opinion, free of any supporting evidence of its own, and challenging others to do its homework for it.

    Ignore it until it learns some manners or you may end up down a hole rubbing lotion on your skin unless you want the hose again.
    Ignore the Furuncle

  229. notafan

    Should have read on, nevertheless, there has been an Irish presence in the UK a long time.

  230. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well I for one am glad that the Morgan Freeman scandal is out in the open.
    It is a great example of the empowering power of diversity in Hollywood.
    See?
    It wasn’t just J$ws people.
    Lighten up.

  231. egg_

    Cate McGregor could go one better than Bucket Guts and get their head transplanted onto a female body.

  232. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    We need to teach J$ws and Blacks how to treat women.

  233. C.L.

    some apology for past wrongs bad – some good.

    Or – or – I was serious about Johnson and obviously joking about leftists apologising to Joe McCarthy.

  234. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    It’s funny that Hollywood had no problem with Freeman having sex with his step grand-daughter , but propositioning staff for sex is a no-no.

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