“I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting”

NKOREA RIPS PENCE…
Claims demolished nuke site…
MATTIS TELLS CADETS: YOU WILL SEE BATTLE… 

In the midst of all this, I find the American left insane. Why is any of this on anyone’s agenda?

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And then there’s this: T Minus Two Years for a War with China. Here’s the conclusion. You will have to go to the link to find out how it starts.

After the war with China has started, whether in 2020 or a bit delayed, we are likely to say to ourselves that if we had known that was coming, we would have done things differently over the last two years. One important thing we should be doing right now is to have as little as possible to do with China, neither importing what they make nor letting them into the country. One of the first things the Trump administration did was to ban entry by people from countries that were sources of Muslim terrorists. China is setting out to kill a lot more Americans than the Muslims ever will. Proceed accordingly.

Who knows how anything is done at that level. Peace in our time is a wonderful idea if only we knew how to bring it about. It’s certainly not the norm.

BTW it’s worth reading PDT’s letter. A masterclass in the Art of the Deal, but we’ll see.

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69 Responses to “I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting”

  1. In the midst of all this, I find the American left insane. Why is any of this on anyone’s agenda?

    “Why are the left babbling on about Watergate when we have a war in Vietnam to win?”
    “Why are the left going on about Iran/Contra when we have a Cold War to win?”
    “Why are the left talking about missing WMDs when we have a Gulf War to win?”

    The eternal cry of the neocon.

  2. stackja

    Neville is quoted as saying, peace in our time. We know how that ended. Other comment saying what? Probably blaming DT as usual.

  3. Buccaneer

    A truly vain leader would not have been able to cancel this meeting and put at risk the opportunity of a Noble Peace prize. Oh and Monty, at this stage Trump has entered fewer conflicts than Obama, so calling him names wins you no prizes just reflects on your character very poorly.

  4. iain russell

    Mont! Welkom, meneer. Best link is that Ken Starr deal. The fetid, faecal stench of Lefterd hypocrisy.

  5. Not Uh oh

    Does anyone know whether the people of North Korea were aware that this meeting was taking place, or will it just pass without comment?

  6. JohnA

    Buccaneer #2719515, posted on May 25, 2018, at 5:22 am

    A truly vain leader would not have been able to cancel this meeting and put at risk the opportunity of a Noble Peace prize

    Noble maybe, but isn’t it worth pondering what might have been if Chamberlain had said “Get stuffed, I’m not coming to Munich, you bully!” ?

  7. Tel

    If Chamberlain had made an early declaration of war, then the UK would have been the aggressor, probably Germany could have maintained a working treaty with the USSR and therefore had plenty of food and fuel coming in from the East. The USA might not have joined the war, but you never know because FDR was a socialist, they might have provided support to Russia and Germany instead. Remember there was massive US investments in Germany, and significant rivalry between the two Anglosphere empires.

    France would have scratched their nuts and eventually sided with Britain probably leading to a much longer, slower war and a long term division down the middle of Europe.

  8. Louis Hissink

    As long as there exist proselytising beliefs, there will never be peace.

  9. Rae

    Donald Trump. Zero D chess. What a player.

    Kim Jong Un has kept him occupied while Xi Jinping confirmed Chinese ownership of the South China Sea. (BIRM)

  10. candy

    Quite a gamble by Trump, in my opinion. The world was looking forward to seeing the two leaders meet and talk peace. Even if it did not go particularly well, getting the NK leader to that point is awesome. A bit mystifying to make a gamble on it now, it was all good to go. Why get furious at NK’s big talk at this stage?

  11. Indolent

    Rae
    #2719583, posted on May 25, 2018 at 8:45 am

    How much are the Chinese paying you for your noble efforts to support their (and every other) dictatorship?

  12. Ubique

    Leftists the world over fervently hope and pray that President Trump is unable to bring about an end to the Korean War or have any success in reducing conflict and suffering in the Middle East. They’d rather see the world in flames than have to bear the thought of President Trump winning.

  13. Buccaneer

    John A, are you suggesting that Trump was going to give South Korea back to Kim?

    Really, the two situations aren’t that comparable. Were the meeting to be Xi and Trump over the fate of the Koreas then maybe. Had Chamberlain not appeased Hitler with Sudatenland, Hitler would have had a trigger for invasion, but was he actually ready to use it?

    Trump has taken the moral high ground in a negotiation where he has already won some points and likely has not much to gain as the real negotiation needs to happen with Xi. Trump remains with all options on the table. Chamberlain did not.

  14. JohnL

    A high-ranking Ukrainian intelligence officer in Mr Poroshenko’s administration described what happened before the visit to the White House.

    For “high-ranking Ukrainian intelligence officer” read “senior toilet cleaner”, possible a female of the species.

  15. JohnL

    A truly vain leader would not have been able to cancel this meeting and put at risk the opportunity of a Noble Peace prize

    Nobel prize is worth a lot of monies. Trump does not need it. Obama did need it, and took it, and is still holding to it!

  16. Dr Fred Lenin

    Trump setting the genda for the eventual deal , testing Kim nd his owners out, he got the hostages back then ,raised their hopes then close the door, make them more willing to compromise , they Need this ,China is pressing them, the place is a shambles , they know one day their people will blow up and destroy them . Trump knows this too , he has China over a barrel, in a trade war who would suffer most ? Last thing the Chinese fascists want are millions of unemployed aspirants blaming the system un elected governments are always removed violently and totally . like our polliemuppets they love the power so they will hang on grimly ,Trumps move is classic unsettling the opposition before negotiation. The man is. Formidable adversary ,Xia and Kim are finding this out, the hard way . And he doesn’t need a Nobble Prize like the half black did . (The half black is making instructional movies to train the leaders of the future!!!for a huge fee of course ,soros the communist paying is he ? ).

  17. Roger

    North Korea is a minor problem for us compared with China. Jim Molan’s efforts to address our domestic oil reserve shortage suggest he thinks a war with China is a likely possibility, too. China’s strategic goal is clear: to push the US out of the south and west Pacific and back to Hawaii, leaving us like the proverbial shag on a rock. We have not done our part as an American ally in rebuffing China’s soft power from our region, preferring to vainly strut the world stage as a pretend “middle power”. Indeed, we haven’t even kept China’s soft power from reaching into our own institutions, much to the Americans’ concern. Our politicians who have presided over this state of affairs are at best second raters, at worst dangerous fools.

  18. Oh come on

    “Why are the left babbling on about Watergate when we have a war in Vietnam to win?”
    “Why are the left going on about Iran/Contra when we have a Cold War to win?”
    “Why are the left talking about missing WMDs when we have a Gulf War to win?”

    Excellent questions, all. The left has always been riddled with traitorous scum.

  19. Oh come on

    To continue m0nty’s excellent ‘why are the left fucking us over’ series:

    Why are the left causing strikes on our wharves when we are trying to aid the war effort against Nazi Germany?

    Why are the left causing strikes in our coal mines when we are fighting for our lives against imperial Japan?

  20. Crazyoldranga

    Didn’t anyone else notice the poor grammar? No? Okay.

  21. Tel

    I wonder where Monty gets his quotes from?

    It was that “Neocon” Democrat President John F. Kennedy who started the Vietnam War, and the other “Neocon” Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson who insisted on escalating. Now, who was it brought the war to an end? Hmmm, let me think, oh I know, must have been that leftist peacenik Republican President Nixon withdrawing US troops in 1973 which is (gosh!) the same year that those “Neocon” Democrats managed to hit Nixon with the Watergate scandal.

    So where do Monty’s quotes come from? Oh he just makes them up. Always pay careful attention to wrongologists, because being wrong is a crafty and clever trade full of intricate twists and turns.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hope you don’t mean Fred Lenin, Ranga. He’s a very old guy with poor eyesight who speaks straight with good observations.

    Otherwise, to what do you refer?

  23. anonandon

    What a pisser of a letter. He has got to be having fun doing this.

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Trump’s letter is very carefully crafted. Door left open, feelings and opinions expressed, roadblocks identified, preferred outcome stated, nuclear position stated. Short and to the point.

  25. Myrddin Seren

    Re – the China article:

    When China’s borrowing ability is tapped out or the bad debt pile gets too deep, that growth will disappear.

    China’s coal production, the energy equivalent of 50 million barrels per day of oil, is projected to peak in 2020 and then go into long-term decline.

    As the following graph shows, China’s oil production peaked in 2015 and has tipped over into long-term decline at 200,000 barrels per day per annum.

    While anything is possible given the opaque nature of decision-making in China, a Chinese invasion of Taiwan will deliver absolutely nothing in respect of the domestic issues China is facing.

    A lot of Chinese youth will come home in body bags, and given the effect of the One Child Policy, there are going to be a lot of unhappy families.

    Taiwan is not going to deliver any oil or coal resources for China, and a captive Taiwanese market is hardly demand replacement for the inevitable trade embargoes that would follow elsewhere.

    So, China gets to flex its 900lb gorilla muscle and projects its missile shield a bit further out.

    If they open a Taiwan invasion with a pre-emptive strike on US and Japanese forces to neutralise them – then it is widespread war.

    In this scenario trade with China stops. Employment collapses. The US disavows the Treasuries held by the Chinese govt – worthless overnight. Seize Chinese-owned businesses in the US and maybe elsewhere. ( See how long it was before the Iranians got all their seized assets back after the revolution – Thanks Obama and ValJar ! ).

    The US Navy may take hits in waters near China, but get fleet elements and subs enforcing a blockade of the Malacca Straits and stop the oil and LNG coming in.

    Huge dilemma for whoever is in Canberra but basically with a hot war on, shipping stops. No coal, iron ore, LNG and grains. Bad luck Australia on exports – very bad for China.

    Who has who by the nuts at this time ?

  26. Egor

    Art of the Deal. NK is not about US military might it’s about China shaping its client because China can’t afford to be punished by Trump economically. Therein lies the seeds of Chinese revolution. 50 million ex peasant urban consumers unemployed in the bright lights sell their cars and go back to the village to plant rice? It’s enough to make Xi shudder.

  27. Myrddin Seren

    DPRK shenanigans.

    From Old Ozzie on the Open Forum Cameron Stewart in The Paywallian:

    Trump called in his national security team and declared enough was enough, dictating his open letter to Kim word-for-word.

    It reads that way. Not some sanitised State Dept diplo-speak. The Donald is making it clear he is still extending his hand to Kim.

    It also coincided with other strange behaviour by Pyongyang. The White House had sent a team to Singapore to discuss logistics for the summit with a North Korea team but the North Koreans simply didn’t show up. No explanation, nothing.

    Massive internal power struggle. We know Xi ( China ) wants this fixed. But that doesn’t rule out wild card actions by the Party Old Guard who enjoy the privileges the State affords them.

    Stand by…..anything could erupt if Kim and perhaps ‘active measures’ from Xi can’t corral the Old Guard.

  28. Crazyoldranga

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I was referring to President Trumps letter.

  29. Oh come on

    The US Navy may take hits in waters near China, but get fleet elements and subs enforcing a blockade of the Malacca Straits and stop the oil and LNG coming in.

    China’s reinforcement of the “Nine Dash Line” is an effective defensive posture, however, China has ambitions to project its naval power globally. Trouble is that it is building a naval wall that will be used by its opponents with powerful navies to box the Chinese navy in.

    The defensive structures China is building along the “Nine Dash Line” are often described as ‘unsinkable aircraft carriers’. Well, no. This is an extremely muddle-headed description of these fortifications. The attribute that makes them unsinkable also means they are nothing like aircraft carriers – aircraft carriers are mobile. Artificial islands are not.

    And another thing. It is true that an aircraft carrier can be sunk. It is also true that an island can be rendered permanently unusable for military purposes – as good as sunk – if enough ordnance is expended. China’s South China Sea strategy is not particularly clever or far-sighted.

  30. Dr Fred Lenin

    When Trump eventually goes to the table he will negotiate from a position of great strength ,he simply pressures the Chinese on trade and threaten to cut the massive imbalance in trade reducing Chinas standard of living which is totally based on exports ,home consumption is all based on export profits so that won’t save them . Trump is a good manager he picks good people and delegates , the secret of success. Therefore he is well advised and informed of the conditions in China and N Korea ,he knows their weaknesses and will exploit them to the full . This man is used to negotiating with the toughest guys on the planet ,New York bankers t-realtors and development builders ,people who could run rings around any politician or tinpot red dictator ,and Trump is on top of them .Best a-resident the USA , are ever likely to have, shows how good government can be without politicians or lawtradespeople .

  31. Rebel with cause

    Trump playing on Asian psychology. The Norks have given up hostages and demolished nuke site and got…

    Huge loss of face for them now.

  32. Tel

    The defensive structures China is building along the “Nine Dash Line” are often described as ‘unsinkable aircraft carriers’. Well, no. This is an extremely muddle-headed description of these fortifications. The attribute that makes them unsinkable also means they are nothing like aircraft carriers – aircraft carriers are mobile. Artificial islands are not.

    I personally think those little reefs are quite sinkable. Coral is basically chalk, and the exact coordinates are very well known so any missile can hit them at any time. Those things are nothing more than monitoring stations and perhaps somewhere to park coast-guard type boats.

    Interesting the deafening silence from the Green activists… imagine if Australia stuck military bases along the Great Barrier Reef, how they would howl. When China does it, suddenly don’t talk about it. Some say that pointing out hypocrisy is a waste of time, maybe yes, but still needs to be done over and over.

  33. candy
    #2719592, posted on May 25, 2018 at 8:55 am

    Quite a gamble by Trump, in my opinion. The world was looking forward to seeing the two leaders meet and talk peace. Even if it did not go particularly well, getting the NK leader to that point is awesome. A bit mystifying to make a gamble on it now, it was all good to go. Why get furious at NK’s big talk at this stage?

    One must remember that Kim and NK are China’s puppets.
    For decades now China has used NK as an attack dog. Instead of China behaving beligerently (hence losing face internationally), she gets NK to bark and growl, then steps in to be the nice guy peace maker and reaps a reward for doing so (entry to the WTO was the reward from Bill ‘the rapist’ Clinton. Nice ha?)

    This current kabuki theatre isn’t about who upset whom with nasty statements, it’s about the stunningly difficult trade negotiations taking place between China and the US.
    There are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake. China wanted a better deal than the one offered by Trump (a deal that would cost China up to $300B per year) so she got Kim to bark and growl. Trump just said “sit dog, sit”.

  34. Snoopy

    #SouthChinaSeaCoralsLivesMatter

  35. mh

    Economic sanctions being enforced. Check.

    Joint US – South Korea military operations taking place. Check.

    Trump not willing to be dictated to by a dictator. Check.

  36. Try try again.

    candy
    #2719592, posted on May 25, 2018 at 8:55 am

    Quite a gamble by Trump, in my opinion. The world was looking forward to seeing the two leaders meet and talk peace. Even if it did not go particularly well, getting the NK leader to that point is awesome. A bit mystifying to make a gamble on it now, it was all good to go. Why get furious at NK’s big talk at this stage?

    One must remember that Kim and NK are China’s puppets.
    For decades now China has used NK as an attack dog. Instead of China behaving beligerently (hence losing face internationally), she gets NK to bark and growl, then steps in to be the nice guy peace maker and reaps a reward for doing so (entry to the WTO was the reward from Bill Clinton. Nice ha?)

    This current kabuki theatre isn’t about who upset whom with nasty statements, it’s about the stunningly difficult trade negotiations taking place between China and the US.
    There are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake. China wanted a better deal than the one offered by Trump (a deal that would cost China up to $300B per year) so she got Kim to bark and growl. Trump just said “sit dog, sit”.

  37. In my comment above the “try try again” remark is in reference to my comment being sent to the sin bin twice.

  38. Here you go, from Sundance at The Conservative Treehouse.

    Chairman Xi Jinping Responds: North Korea says it is still willing to talk with US “at any time” and in “any format”
    Posted on May 24, 2018 by sundance

    The MSM is insufferable in their intentional disconnect of the dynamic behind the North Korean denuclearization talks. It was Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping who brought the DPRK to the table; and it was Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping who pushed North Korea away from the table in their manipulative efforts to extract trade concessions. Every other review of the geopolitical gamesmanship is chaff and countermeasures.

    U.S. President Trump is holding massive steel and aluminum tariffs as an economic sword of Damocles over the head of Beijing during ongoing trade negotiations. Chairman Xi sought to increase his own leverage by pulling North Korea’s Chairman Kim Jong-un away from bilateral peace and denuclearization talks. However, POTUS Trump responded to the Beijing power-play by announcing a Section 232 trade review over the entire auto-industry; and then bolstered his counter-move by cancelling talks with Kim Jong-un.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/24/chairman-xi-jinping-responds-north-korea-says-it-is-still-willing-to-talk-with-us-at-any-time-and-in-any-format/

  39. JohnA

    Buccaneer #2719604, posted on May 25, 2018, at 9:17 am

    John A, are you suggesting that Trump was going to give South Korea back to Kim?

    No, only that appeasement is a sign of a weak bargaining position or forfeiture of a stronger one.

    POTUS is declaring that he will not be dictated to by a tin-pot dictator. See mh at 11.38am.

  40. Stimpson J. Cat

    Goddamit Monty what’s my line?

  41. egg_

    Chairman Xi Jinping Responds: North Korea says it is still willing to talk with US “at any time” and in “any format”

    Says it all – the puppetmaster comes out into the open.

  42. Boambee John

    The defensive structures China is building along the “Nine Dash Line” are often described as ‘unsinkable aircraft carriers’. Well, no. This is an extremely muddle-headed description of these fortifications. The attribute that makes them unsinkable also means they are nothing like aircraft carriers – aircraft carriers are mobile. Artificial islands are not.

    Japan set up airbases on many islands in the Pacific in 1942 and 1943. Those that were needed for the counteroffensive were taken, albeit often at great cost. The rest were isolated and left to wither on the vine, their aircraft destroyed, and reinforcement cut off.

  43. Phill

    Monty, you need to accept it. There is but one God, and he is orange.

  44. John Comnenus

    Trump is playing chess not checkers.

    He got Kim to blow up his nuclear capability and return the US hostages – and then Trump cancelled and then Kim comes crawling straight back.

    Treat em mean keep em keen.

  45. Oh come on

    Chinese strategic thinking is confused. The reversion to the Nine Dash Line came in response to Obama’s ‘Asia Pivot’. The artificial island building makes a great deal of sense for a defensive posture. However, China wants to be a global military superpower to rival and surpass the US. It cannot do this without fielding a navy that surpasses the USN, and it has begun the process of constructing a navy of such scale. This is entirely at odds with the wall it is building along the Nine Dash Line. That wall may well keep invaders out, but it will make a naval blockade of China much easier by imprisoning any future Chinese navy in a tiny patch of ocean and cutting off China’s ability to resupply its overseas assets by sea.

  46. Marcus

    Without reading the Ukraine link, is Trump now supposed to have colluded with Russia or with Russia’s enemies?

    It’s too hard to keep track of now.

  47. Myrddin Seren

    Without reading the Ukraine link, is Trump now supposed to have colluded with Russia or with Russia’s enemies?

    If it leads to impeachment and prison, the Left will tell you ‘Yes’, ‘Yes’ and he ‘colluded’ with the Martians.

    Except now that The Donald is pushing for Space Marines, it looks like The Donald has been in to the Area 51 files, and isn’t taking no shit from no Aliens either !

  48. anonandon

    This is an epic confrontation in progress.

  49. Dr Fred Lenin

    These liars going on about about the Russia /Ukraine nonsense look like drowning men clutching at straws , it’s amusing in one way that the “interlekchool left “has to resort to these ridiculous lies in the absence of any truth ,it’s also extremely insulting that they think we will believe their false stories . They are like the first year students at good universities ,for years they were told they were one in a million,now they realise they are one OF a million .

  50. egg_

    “The two nations have long suggested a crossing that would allow vehicles to go between them without a lengthy detour through China.”

  51. egg_

    “Though both sides have expressed hope for better economic ties, one detail – North Korea’s international pariah status because of its pursuit of nuclear weapons – has stood in the way. Russia has supported a number of UN votes on sanctions against North Korea; in late December, new multilateral sanctions limited the number of North Koreans who can work in Russia and other countries, arguably the two nations’ most important economic link.”

  52. egg_

    “The Russian representative at the meeting, Alexander Galushka, the minister for the development of the Russia’s far east, suggested building a semi-permanent bridge of pontoons.”

    Rapid deployment?

  53. John Comnenus

    Why would the Ukrainian government pay to meet Trump when they have a whole diplomatic corps designed to facilitate exactly these kinds of meetings?

  54. Mother Lode

    Leftists the world over fervently hope and pray that President Trump is unable to bring about an end to the Korean War or have any success in reducing conflict and suffering in the Middle East. They’d rather see the world in flames than have to bear the thought of President Trump winning.

    They don’t really care about most of the world – just Europe, North America and (for Australian leftists at least, Australia). That is because those are the places they hope to gain power.

    We have seen their obscene indifference to the brutal circumstances of women in Islamic nations yet froth at the mouth over a headcount of lady-judges and the implicit violence of a man letting a woman walk through the door ahead of them.

    The only purpose of other nations is in service to that.

    They wail in voice and print about what happens to muzzies in Africa, but not Christians because they see Christians as a part of their own hated society and they want Christians punished. Muslims are something they can blame the west for, so they are vociferous about them.

    Right now they hope North Korea will be able to humiliate America and Trump. Yes there are people living off bark and corpses, but that is America’s fault too, so by cheering for Kim (and prolonging the suffering of his people) they are actually helping his people.

    Lefties like to pose as intellectuals. They accoutre themselves with clever and glib sounding phrases, and affect refined tastes as they associate them with cultivated gifted people.

    Like city folks who put on a akubra and a drizabone and pretend to be rugged outdoorsmen.

  55. egg_

    They don’t really care about most of the world – just Europe, North America

    That’s why there is no feminist outrage over how brown men mistreat their women.

  56. gbees

    A top letter … and as predicted, the meeting is back on

  57. Boambee John

    John Comnenus
    #2719875, posted on May 25, 2018 at 2:08 pm
    Why would the Ukrainian government pay to meet Trump when they have a whole diplomatic corps designed to facilitate exactly these kinds of meetings?

    Lots of governments (and large businesses) paid Bill Clinton for content free speeches or made donations to the Crimton Foundation to facilitate meetings with, and encourage favourable decisions from, Shrillary.

    Corruption is becoming the way of the world, particularly with the left fascist nomenklatura.

  58. Monty, you need to accept it. There is but one God, and he is orange.

    LOL Phill, you idiots can swoon over his failure all you like, but I’m not fooled.

  59. Oh come on

    m0nty declares m0nty isn’t fooled. Convincing!

  60. Egor

    God has decreed China is hostage to the Straits of Malacca and always will be for its 60% oil / gas imports.
    The Straits can be blockaded with little effort.
    The Straits are outside the effective range of Chinese airpower.
    Game, set, match.

  61. Buccaneer

    Monty, it must be pretty tough to keep holding on to that level of angst.

  62. Myrddin:

    In this scenario trade with China stops. Employment collapses. The US disavows the Treasuries held by the Chinese govt – worthless overnight. Seize Chinese-owned businesses in the US and maybe elsewhere.

    Genuine question – Is there a mechanism that would allow the US to disavow the the Chinese T Bills, and do you know what they are?
    Actually JC should be able to give an answer to this…

  63. OCO;

    And another thing. It is true that an aircraft carrier can be sunk. It is also true that an island can be rendered permanently unusable for military purposes – as good as sunk – if enough ordnance is expended. China’s South China Sea strategy is not particularly clever or far-sighted.

    A 5kt nuke, buried into the base of some of those islands would be contained by the subsurface structure itself, but make the island unstable enough that the buildings would collapse. There may, in fact, be enough to cause Tsunami surges of the type considered if La Palma lets go. I don’t know if there has been any further study of La Palma since 2004, but it’s a bit of a worry.

  64. struth

    Dr Fred Lenin gets it.
    I laugh at the lack of confidence shown by others in the power of the West.
    And I don’t mean military power.
    Trump gets it .
    He knows.
    So does Dr Fred Lenin.

  65. Robber Baron

    Trump has leverage. And he is using it. Everyone except for the left understands this.

    Trump is making Obama look as useless as Turnbull.

  66. sdfc

    Genuine question – Is there a mechanism that would allow the US to disavow the the Chinese T Bills, and do you know what they are?

    Yeah. Default. I would be pretty fucking stupid though.

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