Harvey and Tommy

How’s he gonna get a fair trial? The banner headline at Drudge.

Compare and contrast: British Media: Lockstep Lies:

  • Did the Daily Mail’s lawyers have to check with the British government, which had placed a gag order on reporting about the arrest, to make sure that it was permissible to report on the protest, if not directly on the arrest itself?
  • It seems fair to say that the incident has shocked, outraged, and scared people around the world who, until now, had thought of the United Kingdom as a free country.
  • “Britain used to be a bastion of free speech. Today its leaders are behaving like North Korea and Saudi Arabia.” – Geert Wilders, MP; The Netherlands
  • Meanwhile, Robinson remains in jail for daring to exercise his free speech, and what the mainstream media have won back is the right to resume repeating their lockstep lies about who he is and what he stands for.

 

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36 Responses to Harvey and Tommy

  1. Bruce in WA

    While the UK response to and actions against TR have chilled me more than any of NK’s chest-beating, what has left me in despair has been the response of numerous younger people on newspaper websites, to the effect of, “Good! He’s just a racist thug. He should be locked up forever”.

    Do they really want to live in that sort of world? Where authorities can, at whim, incarcerate people at their leisure?

    I know I’m getting old, but that sort of world — and attitude from future world leaders — scares me.

  2. A Lurker

    Two words to describe those people, Bruce – Stockholm Syndrome.

    The Tommy Robinson affair has confirmed to me the necessity of culling from my friends those who are completely captured by such head noises.

  3. NuThink

    In a 1943 made WW2 film called the Yellow Canary, there was a sandwich board outside a meeting which said paraphrased “People are dying so that you can have free speech”.

  4. Cassie of Sydney

    The truth is that Weinstein will not get a fair trial. He has already been judged guilty and will be sentenced accordingly. The trial will be a facade. And as sleazy and as predatory as he was, I would say that most of the women who have since complained about Weinstein (with a few notable exceptions such as Mira Sorvino who basically had her career terminated by Weinstein because she had the decency and temerity to reject his sexual advances) profited from Weinstein and his grubby behaviour. The whole Weinstein story is sordid and reflects the absolute putrid hypocrisy and immorality of Hollywood in general and specifically cretinous actors such as Streep, Blanchett and others who ALL knew.

  5. Dr Faustus

    Totalitarianism is a communicable disease.

    For some reason the ABC held itself to be bound by the UK restriction on reporting Robinson’s arrest. The Australian national broadcaster did not report on last Friday’s proceedings until Wednesday at 7:18am, after the gag was lifted.

    Presumably they also respect media gags by Turkey, Iran, Russia, North Korea…

  6. Frank

    Presumably they also respect media gags by Turkey, Iran, Russia, North Korea…

    The ABC, why yes, they probably do. Fearless independent seekers of the truth that they are.
    They certainly respected the media gag on the Mohammed cartoons.

  7. mh

    For some reason the ABC held itself to be bound by the UK restriction on reporting Robinson’s arrest.

    2GB’s Steve Price, also.

  8. Rae

    Tommy Robinson jailed for contempt of court after Facebook live reporting outside criminal trial

    Robinson was arrested at Leeds Crown Court in northern England, where he was broadcasting details of an ongoing trial on Facebook.

    The 35-year-old appeared in court under his real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

    He pleaded guilty on Friday to contempt of court and breaching the terms of a suspended sentence.

    Judge Geoffrey Marson told Robinson that his actions could be “highly prejudicial to the defendants in the trial”.

    He said Robinson had broadcast details of the defendants and the charges they faced, including some wrong information.

    Robinson was earlier convicted of contempt of court in May 2017 for broadcasting at a rape trial and given a three-month suspended sentence.

    The judge in that case told him that he would be imprisoned if he committed “a further contempt of court by similar actions”.

    Robinson also has previous convictions for assault, fraud and other offences.

    The judge in Leeds imposed a reporting restriction on Robinson’s latest conviction, but it was successfully challenged on Tuesday by media outlets.

    See that last sentence? Time to stop dancing. Robinson is a serial offending, self-promoting agent provocateur. Plead guilty and has been rightly gaoled. He will be back to give you more of the same in 13 months time, maybe sooner with time off for good behaviour.

  9. Shy Ted

    Harvey’ lawyers should take the accusers to the cleaners one by one. In the end there’s no evidence other than the accusations. No force was used, just promises of stardom. It’s called seduction no matter how tawdry. The would be starlets will have history as so many in Hollyweird do. Let’s hope it’s exposed.

  10. NB

    Shy Ted: If you are right, and you probably are, this could be popcorn time, just like the Mueller investigation.

  11. Jannie

    Cassie
    The truth is that Weinstein will not get a fair trial……. The whole Weinstein story is sordid and reflects the absolute putrid hypocrisy and immorality of Hollywood in general and specifically cretinous actors such as Streep, Blanchett and others who ALL knew.

    The script has been written and the actors stick to it. But as for Streep give her fair due, she is a great actor. Her portrayal of Margaret Thatcher was fantastic. But she showed her at her worst in her decline, as if that was a representation of her life, not as the greatest PM in British history*. That was unforgivable.

    * OK maybe Churchill, but its arguable.

  12. Jannie

    Rae that technical legalism. “highly prejudicial to the defendants in the trial”. The system is breaking its back to give some privileged group a fair trial, while denying fairness to others.

  13. Speedbox

    I have no trouble believing that Harvey Weinstein was probably a tawdry predator who used his position to coerce/elicit sexual favours from aspiring starlets. I don’t believe that he actually had to physically force any woman to perform a sex act or have intercourse with him. The issue is the power imbalance – whether if the woman refused Harvey, her career may have struggled/ended at that point. But how can you prove that he would have acted maliciously to thwart a person’s career because, and only because, she didn’t give him a headjob?

    And added to this, the woman would have known there was a veritable queue of aspiring actresses who will happily give Harvey the performance he desired in return for “their shot” at stardom.

    Now, the woman’s unspoken reluctance coupled with subsequent feelings that she has prostituted herself for her career, have become the apparent basis for the rape accusations.

    Such is the nature of Hollywood and it seems that plenty knew about his alleged behaviour and in any event, the “casting couch” has been around for decades and routinely used by many.

    Harvey’s other problem is that he is white and a wealthy j*w. If it is subsequently revealed he is also a closet Trump supporter, he will be unlikely to see freedom ever again.

    Hollywood is just a cesspool and they deserve each other.

  14. lotocoti

    The system is breaking its back to give some privileged group a fair trial, while denying fairness to others.

    No it is not.
    We really need JABL back to do a little lawsplaining.

  15. John Smith101

    How’s he gonna get a fair trial?

    Steve, I think Weinstein, like Alison Mack (see NXIVM sex trafficking) before him, will sing like a canary. They are after bigger scumbags than this creep. Weinstein is the tip of a very sordid iceberg, far beyond what the #metoo mob have come up with. Open dgfffcf.com, (opens a site called overthetarget). Click on a link and down the rabbit hole you go. This is leading, among other places, to the Weiner laptop/Hillary video (5:5) – allegedly accessible on the dark web. Don’t go there – VERY VERY SICK & disturbing content!!!). All now in the hands of the NYPD, etc. Popcorn time; the courtroom fun has already started.

  16. Winston

    Harvey will be an interesting test case to see exactly what sort of power this ‘White Male Privilege’ thing supposedly wields.

  17. Dr Fred Lenin

    Weinstein has already been tried and found guilty by the media ,all the judge has to do is set the punishment. He must have pissed off the aparat in Hollywood to be thrown to the wolves as holiywoods sacrifice to feminazi fascism . The lawyers will bleed him dry and if he is jailed all he will have is the money he socked away in Israel as you do in his position (you never know when another socialist like Hitler will appear ). The Tommy case is a Bloody disgrace , if he had been an islamofascist extremist or communist fascist welfareist stirrer he would have been fined 2 quid and released , love to see a musso crazy blow up the judge in the court he is employed in , Would be poetic justice

  18. rickw

    Harvey’ lawyers should take the accusers to the cleaners one by one. In the end there’s no evidence other than the accusations. No force was used, just promises of stardom. It’s called seduction no matter how tawdry. The would be starlets will have history as so many in Hollyweird do. Let’s hope it’s exposed.

    I’m no fan of Harvey, however he is currently on the receiving end of “Revenge of The Sluts”.

    Even working in Oil and Gas, I’ve seen exactly the same thing.

  19. stackja

    Hollywood casting couch always seemed to be occupied. No compulsion, decision made, advance quickly, or slow?

  20. stackja

    Usual suspect writing about good behavior. Strange.

  21. The BigBlueCat

    Rae says:

    See that last sentence? Time to stop dancing. Robinson is a serial offending, self-promoting agent provocateur. Plead guilty and has been rightly gaoled. He will be back to give you more of the same in 13 months time, maybe sooner with time off for good behaviour.

    I agree that TR is a self-promoting agent provocatuer – be that as it may, but it would seem that he was denied due process and denied legal representation. And that in itself might be a problem for his conviction and incarceration (maybe a UK barrister can advise us all on this). In pleading guilty, he may not have been fully informed of his rights, or of any reasonable defence in relation to his actions and whether they actually constituted a repeat offence. The speed of his arrest, trial and conviction is a worry, and when coupled to vision of the officiating judge viewing his arrest and chortling with his associates (hardly showing impartiality) might also lead to a mistrial conclusion (I wouldn’t know for sure, but it sounds plausible).

    In any event, it would appear that what he was doing was at worst harassment (dubious), and at best defending the public’s right to know. Time will tell.

    Harvey Weinstein is allegedly a serial offender. But his right to a fair trial is sacrosanct. The question is: will his rights be recognised and preserved? Those who went public on the #metoo band-wagon might only have themselves to blame if HW gets off on a technicality.

  22. lotocoti

    the officiating judge viewing his arrest and chortling with his associates

    You know it’s him because how?
    Because you have some sort of sooper dooper Hollywood NSA video enhancement software?
    Because it couldn’t be a Clerk or a Recorder because only judges wear fancy dress and besides there’s only one courtroom in that entire building?
    Or because someone said so and that makes believing in some mighty conspiracy so much easier than doing a little rummaging around incredibly boring websites.

  23. indigo

    Mark Steyn gets it:

    On Sunday morning I had the pleasure of appearing with Rowan Dean and Ross Cameron on their Sky Australia show, “Outsiders”, to talk mainly about the Obama Administration’s attempt to subvert the Trump campaign in the 2016 US election, and in particular the remarkable Anglo-Australian contribution to that effort. (You can view our exchange here – and/or listen to it here, starting about 17 minutes in).

    But, just before I came on (about 15 minutes in), Rowan and Ross addressed recent events in the United Kingdom and in particular the fate of, er, someone whose name they weren’t permitted to mention but who, um, had been gaoled for, er, something or other… This was somewhat astonishing to me, as I’d assumed empire-wide D-notices had lapsed with the passage of the Statute of Westminster. But mein hosts circled back, cautiously, to the topic toward the end of my interview – and I observed, as I have before, how in almost the entirety of the western world, whenever anyone draws attention to some of the more problematic aspects of Islam, the state cracks down not on the problematic aspects, but on the guy who draws attention thereto. In Britain and Europe, we are an incident or two away from literally “shooting the messenger”.

    Rowan, Ross and I all knew we were referring to a gentleman by the name of Tommy Robinson. I expect many of you know that, too. But I doubt most Australian viewers had much of a clue about it, and I’m pretty certain the overwhelming majority of his fellow Englishmen are unaware of his fate. As readers may recall, I have met Mr Robinson just once, at an event at the European Parliament in Brussels. He is an engaging, charismatic fellow, albeit a bit rough-hewn for the refined sensibilities of the metropolitan media – although I thought he had the better of a rather somnolent Jeremy Paxman in this BBC interview.

    On Friday, Robinson was livestreaming (from his telephone) outside Leeds Crown Court where last week’s Grooming Gang of the Week were on trial for “grooming” – the useless euphemism for industrial-scale child gang rape and sex slavery by large numbers of Muslim men with the active connivance (as I pointed out to the Sky guys) of every organ of the state: social workers, police, politicians. Oh, and also the media. Me last year, on my time in a certain municipality about thirty miles south of Leeds:

    Tracking down the victims of Rotherham required a bit of elementary detective work on my part, but it’s not that difficult. What struck me, as my time in town proceeded, was how few members of the British media had been sufficiently interested to make the effort: The young ladies were unstoppably garrulous in part because, with a few honorable exceptions, so few of their countrymen have ever sought them out to hear their stories.

    You can say a lot of things about Tommy Robinson, but he’s one of the embarrassingly small number of Britons who recognizes the horror inflicted on those young and vulnerable girls on the receiving end of “diversity” and seeks to do something about it.

    So on Friday he was outside the Crown Court in Leeds. He was not demonstrating, or accosting or chanting, or even speaking. He was just pointing his mobile phone upon the scene from a distance. Within minutes, seven coppers showed up in whatever they use instead of a Black Maria these days, tossed him inside it and drove off. In other words, these were not “investigating officers” called to the scene: They showed up with the intent to take him away. Within hours, he was tried, convicted and gaoled – at HM Prison Hull, a Category B chokey, or one level below maximum security. The judge in the case, one Geoffrey Marson, spent all of four minutes on trying, convicting and sentencing Robinson. It is not clear whether that leisurely tribunal included his order expressly forbidding “any report on these proceedings” (the case is Regina vs Yaxley-Lennon because that’s Robinson’s real name).

    Which is why, all the way over in Sydney, Messrs Dean and Cameron were being so vague and cautious. In Britain itself, early online reports at The Mirror, the Scottish Daily Record, The Birmingham Mail and elsewhere vanished instantly, and silence has been maintained, especially on radio and TV, ever since.

    The justification for this is Robinson’s previous conviction in a previous Grooming Gang of the Week case at Canterbury Crown Court. On that occasion, the judge sentenced him to three months’ imprisonment suspended for eighteen months. That was almost exactly a year ago – so, suspension-wise, he came up six months short when the plods collared him on Friday. That doesn’t explain why Judge Marson in Leeds added an additional ten months (ie, he quadrupled his sentence) and disregarded a point that Judge Norton last year took into account – that the British state insists on banging up Robinson in gaols full of Muslim blokes who violently assault him. In Canterbury, Her Honor was sympathetic – up to a point:

    I accept what Mr. Kovalevsky [Robinson’s barrister] tells me about the dangers that you might face were you to be sent into immediate custody. I have to say it is on a knife edge so far as I am concerned because a very large part of me thinks so what? you could be put into protective custody.

    Given that Judge Marson devoted a full four minutes to his drive-thru trial on Friday, I seriously doubt whether 25 seconds of that was devoted to any consideration of “protective custody”. Indeed, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the British state would quite like it if Robinson were to be offed in HMP Hull. Yesterday UKIP Euro-MP Gerard Batten Tweeted:

    UKIP Peer Malcolm Lord Pearson has written to Home Secretary Sajid Javid today saying : if Tommy is murdered or injured in prison he and others will mount a private prosecution against Mr Javid as an accessory, or for misconduct in public office.

    Two and a half years ago, when I appeared at the Danish Parliament to mark the tenth anniversary of the Mohammed cartoons, there was some brief discussion of Tommy Robinson. My friend Douglas Murray noted that in 2014 Robinson had been gaoled for …go on, guess: Islamophobia? Hate crimes? Yanking off some Muslima’s hijab on the streets of Luton?

    No. The British state sentenced Mr Robinson to eighteen months in jail for misrepresentation on a mortgage application. At HMP Woodhill he was savagely attacked by the Muslim gangs who operate with impunity in many UK prisons. As Douglas remarked, many people make “misrepresentations” on mortgage applications, but the vigor with which the constabulary hunt down this particular mortgage-misrepresenter is unique. In one of the few mainstream publications to risk comment on Friday’s events (read it while you can), Rod Liddle underlines the point:

    I’m not remotely a fan of Robinson. But I do not like the idea that simply being Robinson is enough to get you arrested.

    Just so. With respect to this particular citizen among sixty million, the police function as the Old Bill of attainder: Get Robinson – on anything.

    Supposedly Judge Marson ordered a media blackout because news reports would “prejudice” the trial of the groomers. Surely the opposite is true – that widespread reporting of the arrest of Robinson would lead to fewer citizens attempting to “prejudice” the trials of groomers. At the very least, when a man loses his liberty and is gaoled immediately without due process on an instantly quadrupled sentence, it would be nice to think that a free press would be free enough to mull the pros and cons of such an action. But Geoffrey Marson seems to have been minded to teach a more basic lesson – that in England, as in Argentina under the junta, you can be disappeared by the state, and it won’t even make the papers.

    And the lesson is not lost on those few who question the cozy bipartisan multiculti consensus: Best to fall into line – or at least pipe down.

    Rod Liddle notes another aspect – the contrast between the urgency of the flatfeet when it comes to Tommy Robinson and their utter lethargic indifference when it comes to the young women I spoke to in Rotherham and the thousands of others like them in Leeds, Telford, Oxford, [Your Town Here]… West Yorkshire Police in Leeds are not to be confused with South Yorkshire Police in Rotherham. The latter are institutionally corrupt and depraved. As I told Mark Steyn Club members last year of my meeting with the victims of Rotherham:

    To Mad Ash and his fellow ‘Asians’, the likes of Jessica and Katie are ‘white slags’. To Her Majesty’s Constabulary, they’re mere ‘Paki-shaggers’, and thus unworthy of valuable police resources. The girls recall the night Mad Ash’s brother Bannaras was in his car having sex with a twelve-year-old. A ‘jam sandwich’ – a police cruiser – pulled up alongside, and the officer rolled down the window. ‘She’s just sucking my c**k, mate,’ said Bannaras Hussain.

    The cops drove away…

    Jessica kept a detailed diary of what had happened to her. She took it to the cops. It ‘disappeared’. There was one kindly officer, but the others told him to back off, and, when he didn’t, he died in an accident. Katie puts the word ‘accident’ in air quotes. Rotherham is a land of coincidence. ‘Some of these things can happen, but not all of them, not in one town.’

    A couple of years after taking them her diary, Jessica went back to see the police. This time the detective told her none of the officers who’d witnessed her abuse would support her story because if they gave evidence at trial they’d wind up ‘getting in the shit’. She left the room having taken the precaution of covertly recording the conversation. And thus the cover-up began to unravel…

    It is striking to read Judge Norton’s sentencing remarks from last year (Judge Marson’s do not appear to be available: he rules in darkness). Her Honor huffs and puffs about Mr Robinson referring to “Muslim paedophiles” and “Muslim child rapists”. I can appreciate that that might be vaguely annoying if one were a non-paedophile Muslim – although evidently not so annoying that spokespersons for the wider Muslim community ever rouse themselves to object to all the industrial-scale sex slavery. But it is a fact that in 21st-century England – in Yorkshire, in Shropshire, in Lancashire, in Oxfordshire, in the Home Counties – child-rape gangs are Muslim. It is a phenomenon, one that has never existed previously in the British Isles and one which will continue and metastasize until there is honest debate about it.

    And, while Judge Norton is evidently outraged by Tommy Robinson’s ill manners in referring to Muslims who rape children as “Muslim child rapists”, one notices that neither she nor anybody else display any such outrage about the ruined lives of thousands of victims of men who get away with their evil for years …because officialdom has chosen to prioritize “Islamophobia” over real crimes.

    One more thought from my trip to Rotherham:

    The cops drove away. It must have been an abiding image for Jessica, for Katie, for Bannaras Hussain’s twelve-year-old, for the girl who would later testify that all three brothers pissed on her like ‘a pack of animals’, for a thousand and more ‘Paki-shaggers’ and ‘white slags’ all over Rotherham, year in year out, for decades: The police driving away …and leaving them…….and heading off to arrest one man with a cellphone, over and over and over.

  24. Tombell

    Sir Ian McKellen belled the cat on the behaviour of some young actresses years ago using the DRR acronym on their job applications. It was ok for them to offer sex -apparently- but in the contemporary minds of the pussy hat wearing nasty women who parade their social justice virtue like a fascinator at the Melbourne Cup, never ok for that offer to be accepted.

  25. Jo Smyth

    As long as the conversation is about Tommy Robinson the horrors being inflicted by all the youngsters in Britain by the gangs of men who rule the Establishment by threats and intimidation, can all carry on unhindered. The Establishment see Robinson as the threat and so it seems do a lot of the Cats.

  26. Jo Smyth

    Should read ‘horrors inflicted on all the youngsters…..’

  27. JC

    I used to think he deserves a fair trial, but no, I hope this fat turd spends a lot of time behind bars.

    The reason.

    As soon as this story came out, he said he was going to resign from the company he founded with his brother and go full retard, full time to impeach Trump. That was his way of trying to squirm out of it and thought he could buy his way out of trouble with that strategy. I hope he fries. A devil of a human being.

  28. Nerblnob

    Cassie:
    Mira Sorvino who basically had her career terminated by Weinstein because she had the decency and temerity to reject his sexual advances

    Really?

    Seems to have been busy enough – I can’t spot any gaps in this CV.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira_Sorvino#Filmography

    Looks like she’s been in continuous film and TV work since she was 24 or 25 – not bad since she was at Harvard until she was 22/23.

    At worst, she might have not worked on Miramax or TWC productions.

    Whatever – HW might withhold work from those who rejected him, or more likely and perhaps worse, favour those actresses who did put out for him – but he surely wasn’t the only game in town and the claims about him having ultimate power over actresses’ careers seem a tad exaggerated.

    More likely those who complied thought it might help them get ahead of rivals, rather than being in serious fear of threats that he could block them. Not to forget that there’s something like a 90% unemployment rate among those who choose that field of entertainment so there’s always gonna be a lot of disgruntled people who didn’t get the part.

  29. Boris

    No force was used, just promises of stardom.

    How do you know? I guess we will find out.

  30. Boris

    If it is subsequently revealed he is also a closet Trump supporter, he will be unlikely to see freedom ever again.

    Sorry but he is a leftie even if it does not fit your narrative. And no, not all privileged white Jooos end up like Weinstein. Not even unapologetic zionists and trump supporters like Sheldon Addison. Maybe they are just not creeps.

  31. MichelLasouris

    Weinstein deserves to go to prison……for just looking so friggin’ UGLY

  32. Bill

    Several actresses have alleged they were raped, not just coerced. I hope he gets canned for the rest of his natural. Unfortunately that probably wont happen.
    A disgusting creature

  33. The BigBlueCat

    lotocoti
    #2725203, posted on May 31, 2018 at 6:14 pm
    the officiating judge viewing his arrest and chortling with his associates

    You know it’s him because how?

    You might be interested in this Why Tommy Ronsinson’s Arrest was Unlawful and His Imprisonment Unjust

  34. Paridell

    The question is not whether Weinstein will go to prison, but whether he will ever get out. It seems unlikely. And if he does, he will only face new charges.

  35. Steve Smith

    Several actresses have alleged they were raped, not just coerced. I hope he gets canned for the rest of his natural.

    And there in lies the problem! Actresses “alleged” so you immediately find him guilty and hope he gets “canned”. Yes put him away if he in fact is found guilty but don’t pass judgment just because there are allegations!

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