Open Forum: June 2, 2018

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  1. jupes

    A carping @rshole.

    Prickly little turd aren’t you egg.

  2. Senile Old Guy

    If it uses the scientific method properly and completely, then it’s a science. If it doesn’t, then it’s not – it’s an art.

    Concise and correct.

  3. Good morning – did I hear my name mentioned in vain?

    People get confused by the random combination of ‘L’s and ‘P’s.

  4. OneWorldGovernment

    shuffle, shuffle

    I’d talk to you Philippa.

    If that’s okay for you.

    LOL

    I always enjoy your comments.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Morrison stirs ALP leadership pot

    The Australian
    1:24PM June 4, 2018
    Primrose Riordan
    Political reporter
    Canberra
    @primroseriordan

    The Coalition is using a recent opinion poll to stir up leadership speculation in the Labor Party, with Treasurer Scott Morrison saying the result – which had the opposition behind in two by-election seats – might prompt Anthony Albanese to challenge Bill Shorten.

    And former prime minister Tony Abbott said the poll should heighten expectations that the Coalition could pick up the Tasmanian seat of Braddon, in contrast with the Liberal leadership, who are talking down their chances.

    Mr Abbott has been campaigning with former Braddon MP Brett Whiteley, who is contesting the upcoming by-election after Labor MP Justine Keay was forced to resign over her British citizenship.

    “I think there is a pretty good fighting chance here because Bill Shorten wants to slug more than 3000 retirees with extra taxes by taking away their dividend imputation rebates… Then there’s the fact that Bill Shorten hasn’t been straight with the Australian people about the citizenship status of their MPs,” Mr Abbott told 2GB.

    “Our candidate is very well known and very well respected, so you’d have to think we’d be in with a good show.”

    Mr Morrison said he was not getting “carried away”.

    “Look, I tend not to get carried away with those sorts of things. The by-elections are still several months away – about almost two months away – and I don’t put too much stock on that,” Mr Morrison said.

    “I mean, I think the history here is the – is the best thing to set expectations. I mean, it’s been more than 100 years since a government has actually won a by-election off in a seat held by the opposition.

    “So I think that flames expectations, I think accurately, and so I don’t put too much stock in those findings.”

    Yesterday, ALP industrial relations spokesman Brendan O’Connor said the Sky News-ReachTel polls — which show Labor trailing the Coalition in Queensland’s Longman and in Braddon — did not threaten Mr Shorten’s leadership.

    From the Oz. Are the Liberal Party finally discovering that “Marquis of Queensberry Rules” don’t work where the other side regards boots, with the odd bottle, and fence paling as legitimate weapons?

  6. OneWorldGovernment

    Geriatric mayfly
    #2727574, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    The lid comes off a Guatemalan volcano. Presumably truck loads of CO2 being ejected. I am relying on the experts to give us a quick analysis as to whether this is a warming or cooling event. So far, they are a bit slow off the mark.

    Production of CO2 from Volcanoes and Bush/Forest fires are specifically EXCLUDED from the World Standard of CO2 measurement.

    Maybe the dumb arzes should check what’s happening with underwater Volcanoes!!!!!

  7. H B Bear

    SlowMo has a couple of cheap shots as the Lieborals go for a couple of weeks without stuffing anything up.

    Careful Slow, Peanut Head is the only thing keeping the Lieborals in the race.

  8. unarguable definition of either hard or soft science

    Once upon a time in a time frame not so far away there was Science.
    Popper & Feynman were two amongst many who articulated the method.
    Then came some fringe sciences. People started using the terms ‘hardcore science’ and ‘hard science’ to distinguish from some of the pretend sciences.
    Then came the ‘we can provide any scientific result you want, if you give us the the right funding‘ sciences.

    If the definition of a word is in its usage, then the word ‘science’ is now rather meaningless.

  9. Steve trickler

    Isle of Man / TT replay.

    A couple of Aussies in the top 10.

    Racing the clock begins at 11:10.

    Mind-boggling.



  10. nemkat

    Scientology also derides psychology as ”Fake Science”, I Believe.

  11. The ‘Art of Generalizing’ sounds so much better.

  12. cohenite

    CFMEU purchased PHON a while back. Like the Greens, another bargain. Stop any legislation dead in its tracks for a few hundred thousand dollars.

    I get it that Pauline facilitated that merger but do you have anything else that’s she’s in bed with Setka?

  13. JD

    OldOzzie
    #2727616, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:07 pm
    Malaysia Tries Crowdfunding To Repay Soaring Public Debt

    I think this needs to be put in its proper perspective. It was not the Finance Ministry that mooted the idea, but some private citizen. The new Finance Minister did mention that in his first press conference. He also said that the situation is so dire that even if we paid back a million ringgit (about $300,000), they will have to pay for 2000 plus years to finish the debt! The fund has been set up to pay directly to the Treasury to be only used for reducing the debt and cannot be siphoned for other government projects.

    I have not followed Malaysian politics for about 20 years, thinking that it was a lost cause. But what a surprise! The young generation have really been an eye opener. Really articulate, well spoken in Bahasa and English with seamless switchover between the two have been a joy to listen to. The old wily recalcitrant PM is back and he seems to have seen the light. Lets see how this will go. Compare to what is happening in Australia right now, Malaysia seems to poised to take off in a big way.

    And for Stimpy the adorable, yes, the Maggi Curry mee in Malaysia is very different from what you get here. I took my Aussie born young fella for a trip to catch up with his cousins a few months ago and he came back with a horde of curry noodles, hoping that he could get through Border Protection. We did 🙂 .

    Now, if I can only get Johnny to put up a Curry Muncher Burger to seal it all. When I was growing up in a Malaysia that was much poorer, the common greeting was ‘sudah makan’ which meant, have you eaten, just like howyougoing. Food is central to what makes a Malaysian Malaysian as much as footie an cricket is to being an Aussie.

  14. DrBeauGan

    For those of you who are still catching up: DrBeauGan thinks that only maths and physics are hard sciences. I don’t.

    To me, a thing is either a science, or it isn’t. If it uses the scientific method properly and completely, then it’s a science. If it doesn’t, then it’s not – it’s an art.

    No I don’t and didn’t say that, Pippa. I don’t think Maths is a science, whereas chemistry is, geology is, some bits of biology qualify, just for starters. Psychology, sociology, education and history aren’t. Archaeology is, anthropology used to be but currently isn’t. Psychology might be one someday.

    I asked if you had done Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing for a reason.

    Let me explain why, with a little story.

    My dear old mum conducts human sacrifices by the light of the full moon. She conducted one last month. The following weekend she won a million dollars on Lotto.

    Being a fan of Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing, she put up two hypotheses: the null hypothesis was that winning the lottery was just dumb luck. The alternative hypothesis was that the elder gods favour those who sacrifice to them. She was able to calculate the chance of dumb luck as one in a million. In accord with the methods taught to bioscience and psychology students, she has rejected the null hypothesis and considers her beliefs about the elder gods massively confirmed.

    This is obviously crap. Even a historian should be able to see this. But it is what statistics departments teach to biomed students. And psychology students.

    I asked the head of a university stats dept why this rubbish was taught, and the answer was that biomedical departments insist on it because it is traditional and all the other universities teach it. And if the stats dept refused to teach something obviously wrong, the life ‘science’ people would insist on teaching it themselves, thus losing stats some bums on seats.

    This tells you all you need to know about the intellectual quality of the life sciences. Also the moral quality of stats departments.

  15. Silstone;

    Re: Labor facing rank-and-file revolt over asylum-seeker policy

    I don’t think it’s just my brain playing games with me, but it reads as if the the ALP is under fire because they’re not advocating an Open Borders promise when they get in.
    Can someone correct me if I’m wrong?

  16. Stimpson J. Cat

    Any reviews of The Guernsey Literary And Potato Peel Pie Society movie from Cats?

    F$cking no.
    The title alone makes me want to blind myself Jesus Christ.

  17. cohenite

    Also the moral quality of stats departments.

    Look at climate science: all moving averages and end point fallacies.

  18. Mitch M.

    For those of you who are still catching up: DrBeauGan thinks that only maths and physics are hard sciences. I don’t.
    To me, a thing is either a science, or it isn’t. If it uses the scientific method properly and completely, then it’s a science. If it doesn’t, then it’s not – it’s an art.

    That needs to be inverted. The hard sciences are easier because these can be subject to solid mathematical modelling. In domains like neuroscience, psychiatry and psychology we don’t have adequate models to work with. Unfortunately the soft sciences are trying emulate the approaches in the hard sciences and while there is utility there isn’t sufficient progress and it seems to stalling. Mathematical biology has been making promises for decades but the results are generally disappointing and even more so in the clinical fields. It will be very important in the future but at present it isn’t meeting the challenge. I think we need new epistemic strategies for the above domains. Neuroscience, psychiatry and psychology are the big scientific challenges of the 21st century. People who dismiss the soft sciences often haven’t even seen the problem. In my experience bods in the soft sciences will admit to the challenges but sometimes I think they resort to the standard strategies more out of desperation than hope.

    Not a fan of trying to define science. Across various scientific fields methods differ, sometimes that is a practical limitation.

  19. Stimpson J. Cat

    And for Stimpy the adorable, yes, the Maggi Curry mee in Malaysia is very different from what you get here. I took my Aussie born young fella for a trip to catch up with his cousins a few months ago and he came back with a horde of curry noodles, hoping that he could get through Border Protection. We did 🙂 .

    And people say I don’t appreciate Ethnic food.
    Multicultural Palate Confirmed!!!!

  20. Snoopy

    Apologies for linking to Media Watch but cockhead Kochie blowing a violent scumbag now charged with attempted murder is too good to pass up.

    23 May:

    DAVID KOCH: The Prime Minister was at a politics in the pub event in Brisbane’s Carindale Hotel when he committed the ultimate pub sin, cutting in front of the line to get a beer. Twenty-six-year-old landscaper Nick Gordon, known as Bluey, wasn’t impressed and flipped the bird at our leader.

    DAVID KOCH: It’d be fair to say you were protecting Australian culture, weren’t you? Our heritage?

    NICK GORDON: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s exactly right.

    DAVID KOCH: So Bluey you didn’t swear at him, you didn’t drop the f-bomb or anything like that. You were just pointing out the etiquette of every pub.

    NICK GORDON: Yeah, yeah, I’m just pretty much just saying it just how it is.

    4 June

    A man who was fined for abusing Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at a Brisbane pub has been charged with attempted murder.

    Nicholas John Gordon, 26, was charged after the alleged attack on a woman in her 30s at a Carina Heights home just after midnight on Sunday.

    Worse still Kochie was lying. Video evidence showed Turnbull did not jump the queue.

    Twitter was made for moments like this.

  21. nemkat

    I get it that Pauline facilitated that merger but do you have anything else that’s she’s in bed with Setka?
    Directed PHON preferences Labor’s way in Longman in 2016, gifting the Seat to Labor.
    She’s doing the same in Longman again at the July 28 by election, using some self serving reasoning.
    Preferenced against sitting LNP members at the recent Qld Election, thereby giving Labor a working majority.
    Pulled the rug out from under Cormann over the Business Tax Cuts, even though polling shows the Cuts would be well received.
    There’s likely much more we don’t know about.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I don’t think it’s just my brain playing games with me, but it reads as if the the ALP is under fire because they’re not advocating an Open Borders promise when they get in.
    Can someone correct me if I’m wrong?

    Re – reading the article, the branches are demanding sweeping changes, to virtually re – open the borders, but the leadership is claiming to be adhering to a bipartisan policy of closed borders. I’ll still bet good money that the borders will still be closed for about, oh, ten minutes or so, after a Labor Government is elected.

  23. DrBeauGan

    cohenite
    #2727652, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:16 pm
    Also the moral quality of stats departments.

    Look at climate science: all moving averages and end point fallacie

    Indeed. And the practitioners are also deeply addicted to Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing.

    It should be bleeding obvious that the probability of something other than the dumb luck hypothesis needs at least to be spread over an infinite set of alternative hypotheses, not concentrated on the particular one you happen to favour. The fact that the stuff is a parody of genuine science is a scandal.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Can someone smart please make one of these charts for Australia:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_hendrix/status/1003469059378372609

  25. nemkat

    Who set DrBeauGan off on what will likely be a 3 day rampage of plastering shit all over the Cat?

  26. Stimpson J. Cat

    Neuroscience, psychiatry and psychology are the big scientific challenges of the 21st century.

    Math is very basic robotic shite for nerds compared to these three subjects.
    They are just diabolically nightmarishly hard.
    Unfortunately the majority of people who try to enter these fields are controlling powermad mentally ill maniacs determined to experiment on my unfortunate brethren.
    Whereas with Math you have harmless painfully unfunny nerds.
    Alas.
    We desperately need more Math nerds to enter these fields to clear out the dross.

  27. cohenite

    PHON votes with the government 74% of the time. That does not show the importance of the relatively small times they vote with the alp/greens but on the face of it they are more pro-conservative, if you can call turdball conservative, which you can’t except by comparison to the greens.

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    Who set DrBeauGan off on what will likely be a 3 day rampage of plastering shit all over the Cat?

    Go check your mailbox for a new Aldi catalogue Grigs.
    There’s a good lad.
    Adult humans are talking.
    Off you go.

  29. DrBeauGan

    incoherent rambler
    #2727659, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:22 pm
    https://www.statisticsdonewrong.com/_images/xkcd-significant.png

    Note that they use a p level of 0.05. This is traditional. In some cases they use a p level of 0.01, the hard science case. The former means you expect your conclusion one time in twenty, the latter one time in a hundred.

    My dear old mum would have been wrong less than one time in a million. If you believe the method is sound, which requires some serious intellectual dishonesty.

  30. DrBeauGan

    Expect your conclusion to be wrong …

  31. nemkat

    Looks to me like when it doesnt matter’to the ALP, Hanson supports the Government, and when it does matter to the ALP, she grandstands about how noble she is, whil selling her dopey supporters down the drain.

  32. Expect your conclusion to be wrong …

    But, but, but, I am so perfect*, I never make mistakes!

    Except once.
    A very long time ago.

     
     
    * Rubble, Barney. “It takes a smart man to know he is stupid.”

  33. OneWorldGovernment

    Until any of you have read Charles Stross’ “The Laundry Files” then none of ‘ewes’ can comment on mathematics, science nor psychology!

  34. DrBeauGan

    We desperately need more Math nerds to enter these fields to clear out the dross.

    Some of us are trying, stimpmeister.

    Mitch is right, mathematics is easier than physics which is much easier than biochemistry which is far,far easier than psychology. It goes on that way down to Sociology. The brightest people naturally do the easier subjects. The dumbest people do the stuff that is very difficult because they have a good excuse for not getting anywhere.

  35. OneWorldGovernment

    DrBeauGan
    #2727674, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    We desperately need more Math nerds to enter these fields to clear out the dross.

    Some of us are trying, stimpmeister.

    Mitch is right, mathematics is easier than physics which is much easier than biochemistry which is far,far easier than psychology. It goes on that way down to Sociology. The brightest people naturally do the easier subjects. The dumbest people do the stuff that is very difficult because they have a good excuse for not getting anywhere.

    Subtle Troll.

  36. Rae

    Subtle Troll.

    Do the math.

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    Until any of you have read Charles Stross’ “The Laundry Files” then none of ‘ewes’ can comment on mathematics, science nor psychology!

    Look they are pretty good.
    Not brilliant, but OK.

  38. pete m

    Winning sat lotto is about 1 in 6 mil chance.

    some kids are good at number maths, but put the problem in words and they go blank – why is that?

    psychology sounds like more fun than any hard science

    each to their own

  39. Oh come on

    Make Australia Great (Again?)

    Nah, it’s just Make Australia Great. Cloive is rather unoriginal. Seriously, though. The man has no political future. He had virtually nothing to offer last time – except a relatively well-funded campaign for a new party – he has far less now. The stupid fucker doesn’t know when to pull the pin.

  40. Stimpson J. Cat

    Here you go, Stimpson.
    Enjoy.

    That was quick.
    Go check again, Australia Post moves in mysterious ways Grigs.
    You might get lucky.

  41. herodotus

    Looks to me like when it doesnt matter’to the ALP, Hanson supports the Government, and when it does matter to the ALP, she grandstands about how noble she is, whil selling her dopey supporters down the drain.

    Looks to me like nobody can bothered following Sinc’s rules regarding trolls any more.

  42. Stimpson J. Cat

    Look let’s be honest.
    Teaching people to count is very important.
    But teaching people like Grigs to behave and interact like a normal functional human being is priceless,
    am I right?
    You just can’t put a value on it.

  43. Some quotes:

    “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.” – Feynman

    “I couldn’t reduce it [the explanation] to the freshman level. That means we really don’t understand it.” – Feynman

  44. Senile Old Guy

    The former means you expect your conclusion one time in twenty, the latter one time in a hundred.

    Garbled, even with the correction.

    Using alpha = 0.05 means that 1 time in 20, when the null hypothesis is true, it will be falsely rejected. It says nothing about other possibilities, which depend on beta, the power of the test. Power depends on a few different factors.

  45. Philippa Martyr

    shuffle, shuffle

    I’d talk to you Philippa.

    If that’s okay for you.

    LOL

    I always enjoy your comments.

    I’d consider it. I always wear a name-tag at these shin-digs. Don’t be shy.

  46. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2727684, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:56 pm
    Look let’s be honest.
    Teaching people to count is very important.
    But teaching people like Grigs to behave and interact like a normal functional human being is priceless,
    am I right?
    You just can’t put a value on it.

    You are right, Stimpy, but it’s painfully obvious that nobody here has the faintest idea how to do it.

    Maybe Pippa will tell us when she’s done some more psychology.

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sadly, there are people on the Cat who are complete loudmouths, right up until they get a chance to meet me in real life at some IPA or AusCons or Dawson Society do, at home or abroad – whereupon they slink to the outer edges of the function room and spend the entire time avoiding me. I don’t expect any less; there are lot of obnoxious and insecure men on the Cat, but that’s part of its (limited) charm.

    That sounds like a challenge.
    What day would like me to come around so you can cook me dinner, sweetheart?
    So we can see if your cooking matches your banter?

    😁

  48. DrBeauGan

    SoG, there are cases when Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing is more or less useable. But psychology students don’t get into the sordid details. They do exactly what my dear old mum did.

    I should like to hear why you think my dear old mum is mistaken.

  49. C.L.

    As far as I can tell (inasmuch as I no longer follow the personnel of the Liberal Party), tonight’s Q&A is a classic Five Against One:

    Tony Jones
    Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus
    Jacqui Lambie
    Rosie Waterland
    Grace Collier

    VS:

    Social Services Minister Dan Tehan
    ———-
    I had no idea who Rosie Waterland was so I Googled her Twitter (which sounds naughty).
    Turns out she’s a left-wing comedic ‘author’ who loves Kathy Griffin and Samantha Bee.

  50. Rae

    Malcolm Bradbury

    Beth. I get it now. You’ve been watching re-runs of the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics. Where everyone fell over in the 1,000 metres Speed Skating Final and the Australian guy won the Gold Medal.

  51. Philippa Martyr

    Not a fan of trying to define science. Across various scientific fields methods differ, sometimes that is a practical limitation.

    I think this is part of the problem, Mitch M. Calling them ‘hard’ and ‘soft’ sciences is mostly pejorative (on the part of those who group themselves as adherents of ‘hard’ science), and it doesn’t really help.

    What I mean by the scientific method is the basic process: come up with testable idea from observation or insight or dream or vision, develop hypothesis, proceed with testing, results support or don’t support hypothesis, review underlying theory or idea based on the results, and amend or discard accordingly. Rinse and repeat.

    This is great for testing naturally occurring phenomena. Not so great for writing a history of a particular event. May be useful for seeing if a particular drug works at a particular dose for a particular population. May also help to determine at what temperature something will explode.

    Small children are natural scientists in this sense: when they go through that stage of dropping things off the high chair, it’s to see what happens next, and that’s why it gets repeated.

    I think I was wrong to say that if it’s not a science, it’s an art. I’m not sure I really believe this. Ways of investigating things can be non-scientific, but still be auditable with a proper evidence trail.

  52. That sounds like a challenge.
    What day would like me to come around so you can cook me dinner, sweetheart?

    Alternatively. You are welcome to come and view my etchings.

  53. cohenite

    psychology sounds like more fun than any hard science

    I studied psychology sometime, somewhere and it was black letter stuff; t tests, significance, NHs, r, r ^2 etc. I remember this: positive reinforcement is more predictable than negative reinforcement but -ve reinforcement is more fun. How can you put a number on that?

  54. Philippa Martyr

    That sounds like a challenge.
    What day would like me to come around so you can cook me dinner, sweetheart?
    So we can see if your cooking matches your banter?

    😁

    The cat would attack you on sight, Stimps. I’ve trained him to claw bald men to death.

  55. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2727692, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:10 pm
    Sadly, there are people on the Cat who are complete loudmouths, right up until they get a chance to meet me in real life at some IPA or AusCons or Dawson Society do, at home or abroad – whereupon they slink to the outer edges of the function room and spend the entire time avoiding me. I don’t expect any less; there are lot of obnoxious and insecure men on the Cat, but that’s part of its (limited) charm.

    That sounds like a challenge.
    What day would like me to come around so you can cook me dinner, sweetheart?
    So we can see if your cooking matches your banter?

    Best of luck with that, Stimpy. Don’t blame us if she poisons you.

    Pippa could have met me at the AC meeting, but she chickened out. Socially insecure, I expect.

  56. Philippa Martyr

    That sounds like a challenge.
    What day would like me to come around so you can cook me dinner, sweetheart?

    Alternatively. You are welcome to come and view my etchings.

    Pffft. Etchings, schmetchings.

  57. Senile Old Guy

    SoG, there are cases when Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing is more or less useable.

    There are statisticians who argue that it is rarely, if ever, useful. But, in practice, the process seems to work reasonably wel, if done carefully and honestly.

  58. Stimpson J. Cat

    The cat would attack you on sight, Stimps. I’ve trained him to claw bald men to death.

    So that’s a no from you then.
    Don’t ever say I didn’t try to hook you up with any incredibly humble mentally ill bald unconventionally attractive agile men.

  59. jupes

    As far as I can tell (inasmuch as I no longer follow the personnel of the Liberal Party), tonight’s Q&A is a classic Five Against One:

    Grace Collier is excellent on industrial relations. Dunno why she has been invited. Maybe to bash Tehan albeit from the right.

    Jackie-Jacquie is a very strange choice indeed. Last time she was invited it was to be the foil for Yassmin Abdel Magied. That didn’t work out as planned so maybe this time they want pay-back.

  60. egg_

    jupes
    #2727632, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:40 pm
    A carping @rshole.

    Prickly little turd aren’t you egg.

    Meet you at a Melbourne YMCA ring of your choosing, fvckwit?

  61. Oh come on

    The distinction between the humanities and the social sciences seems to have been largely lost in Australia. I suspect that has to do with the overall dumbing down of the university curriculum here. A decent social science degree used to involve a not-insignificant amount of number crunching, data collecting and compiling, statistical analysis etc. This may not be advanced mathematics, but nevertheless you had to be relatively numerate to complete the course work.

  62. “I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.” – Feynman

    Eat that Chief Scientist and Climate sciolists .

  63. OneWorldGovernment

    Philippa Martyr
    #2727688, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:05 pm

    shuffle, shuffle

    I’d talk to you Philippa.

    If that’s okay for you.

    LOL

    I always enjoy your comments.

    I’d consider it. I always wear a name-tag at these shin-digs. Don’t be shy.

    Philippa

    I would most certainly introduce myself to you.

    Over the years of my Cat attendance I found some of your thoughts and ideas most enjoyable.

    I must confess that I registered myself on your website/blog some years ago and have not been back to it for some time. I relied upon an algorithm to notify when you posted something new.

    One of the things that the ‘hard’ sciences cannot determine is how we communicate.

    Sure they can describe physical things but really they have no idea.

    I have always been fascinated, psychology type stuff, how we transmit and receive emotions.

    Kindly keep on keeping on.

  64. egg_

    As I probably give away a few years, no Marquis of Queensbury, I’ll see how far I can punt you, retard.

  65. Philippa Martyr

    So that’s a no from you then.
    Don’t ever say I didn’t try to hook you up with any incredibly humble mentally ill bald unconventionally attractive agile men.

    I know, I know. But thank you for the offer; I received it in exactly the spirit in which it was sent.

  66. incredibly humble mentally ill bald unconventionally attractive agile men.

    Stimpy. You forget virile.

    Always mention virile.

  67. Oh come on

    Things are so bad in the humanities/social sciences these days that a student can be both innumerate *and* illiterate and still graduate.

  68. Oh come on

    Stimpy. You forget virile.

    I read that as ‘vile’. Harsh.

  69. egg_

    Prickly little turd

    A slobbering knuckledragger like you needs to learn some manners.
    The effeminate, bookish Quack leaning on you for support?

  70. Philippa Martyr

    I must confess that I registered myself on your website/blog some years ago and have not been back to it for some time.

    Wow. You must be the only one. I haven’t been back to it for yonks. I just got too busy; I have a lot on my plate these days.

  71. cohenite

    This site has degenerated into a dating and duel challenging arena.

  72. DrBeauGan

    What I mean by the scientific method is the basic process: come up with testable idea from observation or insight or dream or vision, develop hypothesis, proceed with testing, results support or don’t support hypothesis, review underlying theory or idea based on the results, and amend or discard accordingly. Rinse and repeat.

    There’s more to it than that, Pippa. One consideration is the precision of the propositions. Hard science prefers high precision, which is where numbers come in. Galileo did hard science by rolling balls down inclined planes and timing them with his pulse. A fluffier minded person would think “What goes up must come down” is a scientific law. After all, you can test it.

    Much psychology is rather like that. If you reject the wgumcd statement as science, and you really should, then you’d have to reject most of cognitive psychology for the same reason.

    Did you get anywhere on my two hats challenge? It’s about the capacity for grammatical inference and quite fundamental in language acquisition. It also applies to image recognition.

  73. Stimp, some additional key words for self description:

    virile, humble, modest, stimulating …

    Just tryin’ to help out.

  74. Stimpson J. Cat

    Always mention virile.

    I’m trying to be low-key.

  75. Mitch is right,

    Indeed. I think he gave a clear and succinct account of the problem.

  76. Stimpson J. Cat

    I know, I know. But thank you for the offer; I received it in exactly the spirit in which it was sent.

    This is not the first time a woman has been intimidated by the prospect of meeting someone less intelligent and less educated than them, and it won’t be the last.
    It happens.

    😁

  77. jupes

    Meet you at a Melbourne YMCA ring of your choosing, fvckwit?

    Don’t tell me. You’re one of Marcus Classis’ “heavy lifters” right?

    You’ve been working out I can tell.

  78. Psychology is about as much use to humans as ornithology is to birds.

  79. egg_

    DrBeauGan thinks that only maths and physics are hard sciences.

    Scientific method is akin to prophesy in its test being predictive ability.
    Tossers who think they know stuff should be challenged to make a prediction rather than having a wank.
    FIU bridge being a case in point where theory meets reality.

  80. EvilElvis

    As far as I can tell (inasmuch as I no longer follow the personnel of the Liberal Party), tonight’s Q&A is a classic Five Against One

    Don’t go lumping my Gracey in with that bunch, CL.

  81. Philippa Martyr

    This site has degenerated into a dating and duel challenging arena.

    I’m not quite sure what egg has done, but it would require a lot of scrolling to find out, and even then it could be over something as imaginary as Armadillo’s blue floral dress. That almost had the place burnt to the ground that night.

    It’s wonderful how even a brief visit to the Cat makes second-year essays on just war theory look good.

    Heavy sigh.

  82. Death Giraffe

    Always mention virile.

    ..
    Try to say it in a more classy way through:
    “Oozing with viable sperm”.
    Something like that.
    Also chicks like it if there is a rarity or limited offer.
    So:
    “Oozing with sperm and suicidally disregarding of danger”.
    A sure fire combo: Fertile and you better get in quick ladies.

  83. Mitch M.

    We desperately need more Math nerds to enter these fields to clear out the dross.

    That is happening. There are many mathematically gifted individuals working the biosciences. Unfortunately the efforts are under appreciated, perhaps because the typical image of a bioscientist is a white coat holding a test tube. Ultimately though human brains aren’t up to the task. We’re going to need machine learning. Even genetics is terribly hard. GWAS studies are a joke. We don’t understand genomes. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people still believe most of our genome is junk DNA. It isn’t, see ENCODE Project.

    Note that they use a p level of 0.05. This is traditional. In some cases they use a p level of 0.01, the hard science case. The former means you expect your conclusion one time in twenty, the latter one time in a hundred.

    It is a laughable standard that should be abandoned. More precision is not going to solve the problem but it would have one huge blessing: stopping so much statistical nonsense being published. It would crash publication rates because it is very expensive to do the trials and often impractical to achieve better statistical standards. Then there is the huge question mark over Null testing, and some argue that effect sizes are more important. These things might help but at the root of all this is the question of whether more statistical power will address the complexity problem.

    A big problem is biomedicine is that it has become so focused on treatments that too little research is addressing more fundamental biochemical and physiological processes. The proliferation of journals is not a good thing. We could probably wipe out 2/3 of all publications with no noticeable decline in quality research being published.

    Many years ago Wolfram published his tome: A New Kind of Science. I read it all through looking for one definitive example where his method had promise. No luck. Wolfram was a child prodigy and a physicist who had his head stuck up his arse but at least he recognised the problem and tried to find a new approach.

  84. jupes

    As I probably give away a few years, no Marquis of Queensbury, I’ll see how far I can punt you, retard.

    Wow, you sound pretty tough. See how quickly you can work yourself into a rage.

  85. Oh come on

    You’re one of Marcus Classis’ “heavy lifters” right?

    I don’t have a dog in the fight between eggy and jupes, but the above remains amusing. Don’t forget all those hot 20-somethings shooting lustful looks at the old boy, because the young blokes just don’t measure up.

  86. egg_

    You’re one of Marcus Classis’ “heavy lifters” right?

    Knocking a fellow military mate, eh?
    That’ll go down well, tosser.
    How many kilos are you?
    I’ll see high/how much sh1t I can lift with my legs.

  87. jupes

    A slobbering knuckledragger like you needs to learn some manners.
    The effeminate, bookish Quack leaning on you for support?

    There you go.

  88. egg_

    See how quickly you can work yourself into a rage.

    Go for it, Chess nerd.

  89. jupes

    Knocking a fellow military mate, eh?
    That’ll go down well, tosser.
    How many kilos are you?
    I’ll see high/how much sh1t I can lift with my legs.

    LOL

    You actually are one of marcus’ “heavy lifters”!

  90. OneWorldGovernment

    Philippa Martyr
    #2727717, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    I must confess that I registered myself on your website/blog some years ago and have not been back to it for some time.

    Wow. You must be the only one. I haven’t been back to it for yonks. I just got too busy; I have a lot on my plate these days.

    I understand you are busy.

    And I think you are doing a good job.

    The ‘hard’ sciences are virtually cast in stone and are nowadays reduced to flicking trolling contempt upon anyone that disagrees with them or does not have the supposed intellect they are supposed to have.

    Psychology and the brain and the soul is the hardest to understand.

  91. Oh come on

    It’s wonderful how even a brief visit to the Cat makes second-year essays on just war theory look good.

    No, surely not – I’ve encountered plenty of essays like that. Doesn’t matter how bad this place gets, it’s still better than plodding through the vast majority of undergraduate essays. Brain-bleedingly awful.

  92. egg_

    There you go.

    Isn’t the correct term fuck.me.dead, armchair athlete?

  93. jupes

    Go for it, Chess nerd.

    Oh that hurts.

    You’re really good at this aren’t you.

  94. Stimpson J. Cat

    Fight me IRL Confirmed!!!

  95. H B Bear

    I had no idea who Rosie Waterland was so I Googled her Twitter (which sounds naughty). Turns out she’s a left-wing comedic ‘author’ who loves Kathy Griffin and Samantha Bee.

    I struggle to understand the ALPBC’s obsession with comedians. Perhaps Googles G read a lot of Shakespeare and believes that they are the modern incantation of the Fool. In reality, the modern comic is almost universally of the Left (and at the ALPBC staff co-op exclusively so) and rather than challenge the orthodoxy, operates entirely within it with tedious predictability. This is perhaps why they are a natural fit at the co-op.

  96. I read it all through looking for one definitive example where his method had promise.

    I also read it.

    I quite like the principle of computational equivalence.

    I also like (rough quote) “great complexity can be generated from simple processes, you don’t need complex processes to generate complexity.”

  97. egg_

    You actually are one of marcus’ “heavy lifters”!

    Am I, keyboard?

    You drive a desk in the Military, I take it?

  98. DrBeauGan

    You actually are one of marcus’ “heavy lifters”!

    It sounds as iff he’s been overdoing the steroids.

  99. C.L.

    Not so great for writing a history of a particular event.

    von Ranke pioneered precisely the testable scientific approach to history and historiography being discussed. It revolutionised nineteenth and twentieth century history writing, especially of big events and big personalities. His approach nevertheless fell prey to those who believed he and his disciples still brought their politics and prejudices to the choice of sources, the weight afforded sources and the emphases brought to bear in composition. All of those criticisms, it seems to me, can be applied in this century to scientistic psychology. We see it all the time: ‘professional’ psychology associations making pronouncements on social ills and lately problematic (or merely problematised) crises. They invariably do so on scientific, ‘statistical’ or supposedly researched premises but – really, of course – they are just ideologically venting (along traditional Soviet-style lines). The best recent example:

    Dozens of experts urge doctor to examine Trump’s neurological health during physical.

    A group of more than 70 psychologists, psychiatrists and mental health professionals sent a letter to President Donald Trump’s physician on Thursday, imploring him to include an evaluation of the president’s neurological health in a physical examination scheduled for Friday…

    The letter is being promoted by Tom Steyer, the liberal mega-donor and environmentalist who has been a leading voice in calls to impeach Trump. He recently pledged $30 million on the 2018 midterm elections with the goal of “removing this president,” and has run television ads calling for Trump’s impeachment.

    Steyer’s team was approached about the letter by John Gartner, a psychologist who founded Duty to Warn, a group that calls for Trump to be removed from office because he is, according to the group, “psychologically unfit.”

    That’s from January. Clearly, psychologists are not scientists; they’re not even professionals, really.
    They are, at best, neurosis whispers – very often actuated and informed by their own frailties.
    NTTAWWT.

  100. Oh come on

    Is MK50 ex-military? As in, a former soldier? Being a pen pusher and working for Defence doesn’t count.

  101. egg_

    You’re really good at this aren’t you.

    Send me an email via Sinc.

  102. Pickles

    Will Jackie Jackie let us know if she pulled one the other night? That’s the real Q that begs an A.
    If the answer is no, then I say again, come on down to the Cat, we have agents in every outpost, gentlemen and ladies mostly, sworn to keep the most delicious and depraved of secrets secret at least until Sunday Night.

  103. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s wonderful how even a brief visit to the Cat makes second-year essays on just war theory look good.
    Heavy sigh.

    Just think, you could have been having a fascinating dinner with a medium height dark on the inside stranger.
    But no,
    it’s essays and Austen sighs.

    😁

  104. C.L.

    Sorry. I mistook Collier for some other Grace.

  105. Armadillo

    Just for the record, I have NEVER worn a blue floral dress. I got baited that night.

    Now we have that sorted, continue on with the Cat fight please.

  106. Philippa Martyr

    No, surely not – I’ve encountered plenty of essays like that. Doesn’t matter how bad this place gets, it’s still better than plodding through the vast majority of undergraduate essays. Brain-bleedingly awful.

    No, I’m afraid the Cat has lost the fight with the essays again. There are even ones on tyrannicide that are more interesting.

    They’re from a second year unit called ‘Social Responsibility in Action’ – I had to teach a two week block with a History theme, and was allowed to choose what I’d teach on, so I offered just war theory, war crimes, tyrannicide, and whistleblowing. We had two weeks of rather lively fun with these.

  107. C.L.

    Erratum:
    —————-
    Clearly, psychologists are not scientists; they’re not even professionals, really.
    They are, at best, neurosis whisperers – very often actuated and informed by their own frailties.
    NTTAWWT.

  108. jupes

    I struggle to understand the ALPBC’s obsession with comedians.

    They think they are edgy and hip. Just like they imagine themselves to be.

  109. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo
    #2727753, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    Just for the record, I have NEVER worn a blue floral dress. I got baited that night.

    So it’s not your?

  110. Senile Old Guy

    Then there is the huge question mark over Null testing, and some argue that effect sizes are more important.

    I alluded to p-value problems, which are particularly bad in DNA work because of the large number of tests that are sometimes required. So now there are q-values. But effect sizes are important but not in the way of Cohen’s standardised effect sizes.

  111. OneWorldGovernment

    DRibblesGan

    What’s todays number?

  112. H B Bear

    Most male comedians are failed ex-lawyers and their female equivalents fat lesbians. Nothing edgy about that.

  113. Oh come on

    Now now, lads. You can’t fight in here – this is the war room.

  114. OneWorldGovernment

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727761, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    DRibblesGan

    What’s todays number?

    Rae will be along and prove you wrong so make sure you know the number.

  115. DrBeauGan

    You’re not a bad bloke, Egg, and I enjoy many of your posts. But sometimes you’re cracked.

  116. egg_

    They think they are edgy and hip. Just like they imagine themselves to be.

    We miss your witty repartee on the Q&A freds.

  117. Stimpson J. Cat

    No, I’m afraid the Cat has lost the fight with the essays again. There are even ones on tyrannicide that are more interesting.

    Bye!
    Sic semper tyrannis!

  118. egg_

    I enjoy many of your posts

    Ditto, but you can keep your carping mate.

  119. C.L.

    Billy the Kid ruled out of SOO.
    🙁

  120. Hey guys, it is clear from previous posts that we need to make the blog more attractive to the ladies.
    They even prefer student drivel to the stuff that gets posted here.

    So. Agree with the sheelas (most of the time and regardless of what you think).

    If it doesn’t work out, I will increase the frequency of my visits to Dr. Stimpy.

  121. C.L.

    Hey guys, it is clear from previous posts that we need to make the blog more attractive to the ladies.
    They even prefer student drivel to the stuff that gets posted here.

    There is an inordinate volume of Facebook chatting, LOL-jockeying and worthless babble posted here nowadays. Ladies or no.

  122. egg_

    Agree with the sheelas (most of the time and regardless of what you think).

    Who’s to know the true gender of a poster?
    Sounds like an ABC type mandate.
    Each post should be judged on its merits.

  123. egg_

    There is an inordinate volume of Facebook chatting, LOL-jockeying and worthless babble posted here nowadays. Ladies or no.

    There are other threads besides the open thread, too, per your previous complaint.

  124. calli

    Yay! A duel.

    It’s been ages.

    I’ll be Second and come prepared with mop and bucket.

  125. DrBeauGan

    incoherent rambler
    #2727770, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:06 pm
    Hey guys, it is clear from previous posts that we need to make the blog more attractive to the ladies.
    They even prefer student drivel to the stuff that gets posted here.

    I think the awful truth is that the student drivel is easier to deal with than the arguments.

  126. calli

    And it’s Ray Bradbury, Lizzie. Farenheit 451. 🙃

  127. Armadillo

    I’ll be Second and come prepared with mop and bucket.

    The early bird gets the worm. The second mouse gets the cheese.

  128. Snoopy

    C.L.
    #2727752, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:51 pm
    Sorry. I mistook Collier for some other Grace.

    Grace Grace?

  129. egg_

    Armadillo
    #2727777, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:16 pm

    Part two of Tommy’s death on Strine Story tonight.
    Any spoilers?

  130. DrBeauGan

    Senile Old Guy
    #2727759, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:56 pm
    Then there is the huge question mark over Null testing, and some argue that effect sizes are more important.

    I alluded to p-value problems, which are particularly bad in DNA work because of the large number of tests that are sometimes required. So now there are q-values. But effect sizes are important but not in the way of Cohen’s standardised effect sizes.

    I’ve gone to some trouble to avoid technicalities, SoG. Now explain why my dear old mum is wrong, as she plainly is. Then defend the teaching of this garbage to psychology students.

  131. Tintarella di Luna

    How very exciting, fisticuffs this thread has the makings of a movie or at the very a board game

  132. Oh come on

    There is an inordinate volume of Facebook chatting, LOL-jockeying and worthless babble posted here nowadays. Ladies or no.

    It’s been going on for years.

  133. OldOzzie

    Mark Penn: No One Is Allowed To Question Mueller, Comey or Rosenstein

    Mark Penn, a veteran of Clinton World, joined Tucker Carlson Thursday night to talk about the “out of control” Mueller probe and the use of “stormtrooper tactics.”

    PENN: Well, remember, Tucker, I spent a year working with President Clinton against Ken Starr and that effort.

    CARLSON: Well, I remember very well.

    PENN: I just find that that was child’s play to what’s going on here. And I think Mueller has some questions about what the president was thinking when he fired Comey. Well, I certainly have some questions about what he was thinking when first he went to apply for the FBI job in the first place with Rosenstein. And then, turns around the next day, didn’t he already have a plan when he turned around.

    Boy, when he put that team together, and there wasn’t a single Trump donor, what was he thinking then?

    And when he looked at these dossiers and discovered that there was no foundation there, how did he deal with that? How does he justify these kinds of really stormtrooper tactics, I think is perhaps not an exaggeration, when you go guns drawn to political consultants, wiretapped all over the place over payments to porn stars?

    This thing has gotten out of control. And while he wants to question the president, it seems that no one could really question either Mueller or Comey or Rosenstein, and that is precisely the problem.

  134. Senile Old Guy

    F*ck off, Dr BG. I am under no obligation to respond to your demands.

  135. Geriatric mayfly

    Is the first instalment tonight, ie., where the ABC comes around to your house and gives you a good gripping? No point in coming here with tales of Mother Russia; I will be in labor, navigating my way through car registration renewal.

  136. DrBeauGan

    Senile Old Guy
    #2727787, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:26 pm
    F*ck off, Dr BG. I am under no obligation to respond to your demands.

    Not a demand, SoG. Just a request to see if you’ve got anything more than bafflegab.

    Apparently not.

  137. Shortening looks like he will win the next election because many voters find it difficult to believe that he could be worse than Trumble.

    A reasonable explanation?

  138. Armadillo

    Any spoilers?

    Spoke to my Aborgiginal mate lawn bowler on the weekend. He knew all the “uncles” that featured on the first episode, plus he remembers the guy. His take was that it was just another black kid, so the coppers decided to do nothing.

    Spoken to heaps of people in the last week. None of them remember it even being reported. Be interesting to see what angle the story eventually takes.

    Haven’t yet caught up with the copper in charge of the Police Boys Club as yet. I’d love to hear what he has to say.

  139. Chris

    Now explain why my dear old mum is wrong, as she plainly is. Then defend the teaching of this garbage to psychology students.

    Where your Mum is wrong is that she fails the sniff test, Beaugy.

    In fact, judging by the standards set above,

    Your MUM!

  140. Give it up beaug. I have tried to point out the failings of humanities stats. to many unfortunate recipients of this teaching.
    Not one success.
    The “I got an X for stats and I gave the right answers on the exam/assignment – therefore it must be correct.” syndrome. Zero thinking.

  141. OldOzzie

    A Clueless “Final Year”
    By Roger Kimball| June 3rd, 2018

    The fascinating thing of “The Final Year” is the glimpse it affords into the engine room of a certain species of elite bureaucratic presumption. It is earnest, articulate, educated, well-meaning, and utterly, dangerously naïve. When you review the series of foreign policy disasters over which Obama presided—the names Libya, Syria, and Iran offer a good start—and then contrast it with his warmhearted rhetoric, you begin to understand why Graham Greene could warn that “innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.”

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, official unemployment is down to 3.8 percent (real unemployment is 7.6 percent and falling), black unemployment is at an historic low, the economy is buzzing along, consumer confidence is the highest it’s been in a generation, North Korea is headed to the bargaining table, Iran’s efforts to get nuclear weapons is being starved, and preposterous virtue-signaling and prosperity blighting climate change pacts have been put where they belong, on the ash heap of history. Slowly, slowly, at least parts of the soft-totalitarianism of the administrative state are being peeled back and the fresh breezes of local control and individual responsibility are making a come back.

  142. jupes

    Who’s to know the true gender of a poster?

    True. I always thought egg was a female but now I’m not so sure.

    Maybe the turd is transitioning. The level of recent hysteria sounds a lot like a slighted Malcolm MacGregor.

  143. OneWorldGovernment

    calli
    #2727776, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    And it’s Ray Bradbury, Lizzie. Farenheit 451.

    nah

    Robert G. Barrett is the best.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Barrett

  144. Stimpson J. Cat

    We must turn Catallaxy into Stimpys Perfect Match. Grigs can be the robot called Dexter.

    Tinta, come up with some questions.

    Let’s make this show happen.

  145. DrBeauGan

    Pippa, when you have a few minutes from the joys of marking, compare two ‘theories’.

    1. What goes up must come down.

    2. If a physical object leaves the atmosphere at more than 11.186 km/second it will leave Earth permanently, and with a lower velocity it will fall back to the surface.

    Both theories are testable, but the second is a scientific theory but the first is not.

    Most psychological theories, alas, are of the first type. There are several reasons for this, the appalling complexity of the subject matter being one of them.

    Psychology and sociology were invented so that women could play at being scientists without the strain of precise thought. Real science is a lot more demanding.

  146. Armadillo

    My Aboriginal mate seems to recall that the Haines kid was hitch hiking to Quirindi. Doesn’t make make any sense, well at least not according to the first episode. Then again, that first episode had a few glaring mistakes that any local would have easily picked up on. Dominos night club was one. Walking to East Tamworth and ending up miles away in South Tamworth was another. Makes no sense.

    As did the “blood in the boot”, yet he had a towel placed under his head. A murder or a car crash are two totally different scenarios.

  147. egg_

    Armadillo
    #2727791, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:31 pm

    I appreciate that this is an open forum, too; the story does look like a bit of disinterest on the Cops’ behalf, as you say. Now it’s reopened and they’re actively canvassing the public, something might surface, but a vehicle accident sounds like the likely cause.
    The kidnapping vehicle in the Anita Cobby case was disappeared but the Cops got by on informants.

  148. Chris

    In my Honours year, a rather clever Pom in our Dopartment called out the way geologists think about stats. He said it was black box thinking; wanting a simple answer without the trouble of understanding you own question. He went on to write a textbook abut it.
    I don’t do social work with stats, apart from some 30-year-old SPSS macros. But i have a strongly-developed imitative reflex and imitate my cynical customers that point out the value of the more abstruse methods on their deposits.
    Negative value.
    That’s how your Mum fails the sniff test. She is an artful exception and a creation of artifice that bears no relationship to observed reality, in experimental stats. Good for teaching that stats isn’t perfect in hypothesis testing, but we knew that.

  149. DrBeauGan

    Where your Mum is wrong is that she fails the sniff test, Beaugy.

    I admit I have maligned her, Chris. But think of my story as a thought experiment.

  150. OneWorldGovernment

    shirly you feelz for this thing?

  151. egg_

    jupes
    #2727798, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    P1ssweak effort, [email protected]

    No email yet, tough guy.
    Does long stints at a desk turn the Military into cross dressers or are bio weapons getting into the water supply?

  152. OneWorldGovernment

    And what is this?

    Ben Rhodes’ brother is David Rhodes.

    What, CBS News President

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rhodes_(CBS_News_President)

    nah.

    no one would believe that as script for a movie.

  153. DrBeauGan

    stats isn’t perfect in hypothesis testing, but we knew that.

    Psych students generally don’t know that, Chris. And I have read papers by medics and others that demonstrate that the ‘professionals’ don’t either. Obviously you agree that dear old mum is wrong, but it would be nice if you could say precisely why. Then you would be able to convince psych departments not to make her mistake.

    There are plenty of people in the soggy scences who can see that it’s wrong. Unfortunately they haven’t been able to convince their colleagues to stoo teaching it.

  154. jupes

    No email yet, tough guy.

    Too scared to send it.

    You sound like a bunny boiler.

  155. egg_

    My Aboriginal mate seems to recall that the Haines kid was hitch hiking

    Probably a clue, given the car’s presence.
    Lots of Production/continuity errors – the car recreation scene flipped between a LJ/LH Torana, very different models.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The kidnapping vehicle in the Anita Cobby case was disappeared but the Cops got by on informants.

    Some time after that particular atrocity, one Garry Lynch was appointed to the parole board of New South Wales. The SJW’s worked themselves into a frenzy. Garry Lynch wasn’t a criminologist, he wasn’t a social worker, or an academic – what would he know about matters criminal? The penny dropped eventually…..

  157. Senile Old Guy

    Psychology and sociology were invented so that women could play at being scientists without the strain of precise thought.

    Psychology was first done by men and was experimental: Pavlov’s dog.

    Dr BG is a troll who knows less than he thinks. That’s why I am selective in what I respond to.

  158. egg_

    You sound like a bunny boiler.

    I should have had money on that cop out.
    Arky invited me to email him, I’ll bet someone of your talents has been a big help to him.

  159. Chris

    There are plenty of people in the soggy scences who can see that it’s wrong. Unfortunately they haven’t been able to convince their colleagues to stop teaching it.

    Preach it!
    Geology is a slightly soggy science.
    But hang out with art historians or psych people and see Freud revered, Marx-ian assumptions unquestioned and every pop-psy understanding I bring from reading blogs found wanting. Soooo exasperation!

  160. egg_

    Garry Lynch

    A former artist in the RAAF, FFS.
    Should have known to tell his daughter not to walk home from the train station after dark, cried every day after her death, reportedly.

  161. DrBeauGan

    But hang out with art historians or psych people and see Freud revered, Marx-ian assumptions unquestioned and every pop-psy understanding I bring from reading blogs found wanting. Soooo exasperation!

    Freud was still regarded as a great man with profound insights not long ago, and Jordan Peterson still reveres Jung. This tells you a lot about psychologists. Nice people, but scatty.

  162. Percy Popinjay

    egg – what the hell has gotten into you? Save your vitriol for Graegooglery. Jupes and Doc BG are good blokes.

  163. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can I just say that if we are seriously starting Catallaxy Fight Club, then I challenge Baldrick.
    Tomorrow at high noon at Perth Belltower, with both hands tied behind my back.
    If he doesn’t show then I win.
    Also no bullsh$t excuses like he had to have a quadruple bypass robot heart transplant or anything.

  164. OneWorldGovernment

    egg_
    #2727821, posted on June 4, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    Back off.

    Stand Down.

    They are not worth it!

  165. Tel

    Too scared to send it.

    You sound like a bunny boiler.

    You guys should meet up in the park near the tennis center in Melbourne, that’s where all the fighting action is at. There’s some helpful kids around there with baseball hats on backwards, they can hold you car keys, wallet and phone while you are busy. On a good day there’s even a doctor or two about the place.

  166. egg_

    They are not worth it!

    Target practice.

  167. Stimpson J. Cat

    Where your Mum is wrong is that she fails the sniff test, Beaugy.

    This is a rather unpleasant line of conversation and I would much rather talk about even Maths to be honest.

  168. DrBeauGan

    Psychology was first done by men and was experimental: Pavlov’s dog.

    True, and I admit I was being naughty and wildly oversimplifying.. Pavlov’s work was seminal and good for its day. Things have gone downhill since then.

    Anybody who thinks Freud was a scientist, however, has problems.

  169. egg_

    Jupes and Doc BG are good blokes.

    When not armed with a keyboard, perhaps.

  170. Boambee John

    egg at 1642

    story does look like a bit of disinterest on the Cops’ behalf,

    Or even uninterest?

  171. Snoopy

    As did the “blood in the boot”, yet he had a towel placed under his head. A murder or a car crash are two totally different scenarios.

    I didn’t see the show. But I wonder if Haines didn’t have his head stove in during the crash. After the crash either he or one of his mates wrapped the towel around his head. Mates take off and Haines walks down the street to the railway track where he collapses and is subsequently run over by the train.

  172. Baldrick

    Sorry Stimpy, I give up already. You win. I’m in no condition at the moment to go 5 rounds with a skin head.😗

  173. Chris

    Freud was still regarded as a great man with profound insights not long ago, and Jordan Peterson still reveres Jung. This tells you a lot about psychologists. Nice people, but scatty.

    True, true.
    But the Jung thing is OK, I think because its kind of investigating the underlying architecture of culture rather than eating braaains. Marx and Freud though, the CUTEST girls swallowed whole at Uni in the 1970s and the cluey and cynical guys went there too.

  174. OneWorldGovernment

    egg_
    #2727830, posted on June 4, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    They are not worth it!

    Target practice.

    lol

    Walk away from fkheads.

  175. Chris

    Anybody who thinks Freud was a scientist, however, has problems.

    There are still reputable therapists alive (within psych profession reputable I mean) who are Freudians.

  176. mizaris

    There’s a nice new fred and it’s vewwy quiet….

  177. egg_

    Or even uninterest?

    Given the claims of lost evidence, beyond uninterested.

  178. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sorry Stimpy, I give up already. You win. I’m in no condition at the moment to go 5 rounds with a skin head.😗

    No no, I forfeit on account of your injury.
    I insist good Sir.
    It is your noble victory.

    You see ladies,
    this us how true gentlemen conduct themselves.
    With dignity and honor.

    😁

  179. Senile Old Guy

    True, and I admit I was being naughty and wildly oversimplifying.

    The troll admits to trolling. No point debating it.

  180. 1. What goes up must come down.

    2. If a physical object leaves the atmosphere at more than 11.186 km/second it will leave Earth permanently, and with a lower velocity it will fall back to the surface.

    Both theories are testable, but the second is a scientific theory but the first is not.

    1. is an observation, or itself a hypothesis derived from a theory, 2. is a hypothesis derived from a theory. Neither are actually theories. The degree of precision of 2 probably derives from the sophistication of the theory, whereas the theory if any of 1 is rudimentary at best.

  181. Rae

    Ways of investigating things can be non-scientific, but still be auditable with a proper evidence trail.

    Perfectly true.

  182. Ubique

    Ben Rhodes on election night

    Too bad there isn’t such a recording of Hillary Clinton on election night. Instant entertainment for the rest of our lives; and then some.

  183. Death Giraffe

    You see ladies,
    this us how true gentlemen conduct themselves.
    With dignity and honor.

    ..
    This would have been true if not for the fact you were pantsless in the back yard, covered in shit and screwing a gaffer- taped possum while you posted it.

  184. Crossie

    Must go to Costco and buy enough plastic drinking straws to last me until our betters at Woolworths and Coles hurt enough financially to abandon their virtue signalling. What’s more, if I’m going to have to provide my own bags then I might as well do most of my shopping at Aldi and Costco.

    Target did away with the bags to a great fanfare and then quietly brought them back when customers went elsewhere.

  185. JC

    House porn.

    Sure, I like old styles too, but very selectively though like this one.
    San Fran has some really beautiful homes. Considering it’s in the burb of Pacific Heights … Yep, it going for US# 5.4 million. Pacific Height’s is a gorgeous burb.

    https://sf.curbed.com/2014/1/30/10149324/5-bed-4-5-bath-clay-street-victorian-flip-asks-5-395m

  186. Crossie

    Sure, I like old styles too, but very selectively though like this one.
    San Fran has some really beautiful homes. Considering it’s in the burb of Pacific Heights … Yep, it going for US# 5.4 million. Pacific Height’s is a gorgeous burb.

    Pretty soon only millionaires will be able to afford to live in San Francisco. I read somewhere that workers are moving out of Silicon Valley due to high housing costs.

  187. Herodotus:

    Looks to me like nobody can bothered following Sinc’s rules regarding trolls any more.

    Yes, like a cage full of Howler Monkeys who have just stopped flinging shit around the place, they’re all pointing at each other and saying that he * points * threw the first turd.
    Then refuse to comprehend they are all standing in each others shit.

  188. Pillipa Martyr:

    I’d consider it. I always wear a name-tag at these shin-digs. Don’t be shy.

    Can I talk to you too, Phillipa?
    I have my own eartag. My name is 001110011101010.

  189. zyconoclast

    New thread since 5:12pm

  190. We need a “cranky” font.
    I honestly can’t tell if these two are going to rip each others nuts out, or fall over laughing “It’s your shout, retard.”

  191. Helen

    Armadillo’s blue floral dress.

    Wasnt there also an admission to wanting to wear womens stockings?

  192. Helen

    And high heels. And I thought the dress was pink???

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