Open Forum: June 2, 2018

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  1. egg_

    My money is now on the Daily Telegraph doing a big tell all interview with Natalie Joyce.

    I doubt it, she’d have more class than that.
    Barndoor can now disappear to obscurity.
    Vitrioli will have been vindicated.
    The book will be his last hurrah.

  2. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727324, posted on June 3, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    Now that the UNaustralian dictatorship have the GST boxed in then I expect we will have GST police/inspectors just as they do in EU type countries.

    You ain’t kidding either, they stake out street vendors even, and if they notice a receipt missing they swoop on them like vultures.
    The length they go to, to catch evaders is extraordinary.

    Of course the public is always a couple of steps ahead o the tax dep.

  3. egg_

    If not preselected by the Nats, he’ll have a tough time as an Independent.

    Insiders thought as much today and it was only Murph who suggested that the coalition should find him something, post political career.

  4. Mark A

    egg_
    #2727329, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:17 am

    You are not fond of him then I take?

    I’m disappointed with his politics, tho having been involved in it myself I shouldn’t be surprised, but this affair and the aftermath doesn’t phase me at all.

    They’re both human, the opportunity arose and they took it.
    One can of course moralise about it.

  5. Mark A

    Top of the page?
    fancy that.

  6. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727330, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:19 am

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727324, posted on June 3, 2018 at 11:54 pm

    Now that the UNaustralian dictatorship have the GST boxed in then I expect we will have GST police/inspectors just as they do in EU type countries.

    You ain’t kidding either, they stake out street vendors even, and if they notice a receipt missing they swoop on them like vultures.
    The length they go to, to catch evaders is extraordinary.

    Of course the public is always a couple of steps ahead o the tax dep.

    Italy was the best I heard of re GST police.

    I attended a briefing from a gorgeous woman in Canberra prior to YK2A-GST.

    What I fully expect is that UNaustralian GST will go from 10% to 15% some time in the next 5 years.

  7. egg_

    They’re both human, the opportunity arose and they took it.

    Barn just threw away his career; Burke handled a similar situation much better, but he probably had more support, as he wasn’t a serial carouser.
    It wasn’t the infidelity that got me, it was the blame shifting, particularly to Vikki, that Pippa also picked up on.
    I know pollies are imperfect but raiding almost every imaginable ‘cookie jar’ is another matter – he even slagged off the Nats during the interview, whom he’s likely burnt his bridges with already.
    Crashed and burned.

  8. Armadillo

    I doubt anyone has got “top of the page” twice in a row. Just a hunch.

  9. zyconoclast

    ‘Pack your bags’: new Italian gov’t pledges mass migrant deportation

    “The free ride is over,” League leader Matteo Salvini, Italy’s new interior minister, warned migrants at a rally in northern Italy.

  10. Armadillo

    whom he’s likely burnt his bridges with already.

    More likely dynamited them. He’s gone. Finished, Kaput.

  11. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A

    As much as you can say it publicly but how is the old family farm going and how is your brother?

  12. zyconoclast

    Furious men demand for WW2 video game to remove the option for players to fight as women soldiers because it is ‘rewriting history’

    The makers of Battlefield 5 insist they are being ‘inclusive and diverse’ by allowing gamers to play as a female soldier with a prosthetic arm.

    But it has provoked a backlash among fans of the series, which has sold tens of millions of copies, who are choosing to boycott the latest version ahead of its release.

    The row comes after the revelation by TV historian Dan Snow that he lies to his daughters about women’s roles in history, including telling them there were female Spitfire pilots, so they feel free ‘to follow their dreams’.

    Developer EA revealed its game’s cover will also feature a woman soldier.

    The decision has led gamers to voice their disquiet over the move on Twitter with the hashtag #notmybattlefield.

  13. zyconoclast

    Washington DC’s role behind the scenes in Hollywood goes deeper than you think

    On television, we found more than 1,100 titles received Pentagon backing – 900 of them since 2005, from ‘Flight 93’ to ‘Ice Road Truckers’ and ‘Army Wives’

  14. None

    Thanks Snoopy. Probably Leonard. You are right. Some scratchy vinyl thing but brilliant.

  15. OneWorldGovernment

    egg_ and Armadillo

    I would rather Barnaby Joyce to be PM and in control of the so called Cabinet than the crap we have now.

    And sack that fucking arzehole who followed up Downer’s tunnel in England.

    Or what?

    You think MT is sweet?

  16. zyconoclast

    Kim Jong-Un Can’t Afford To Pay For His “Singapore Summit” Hotel Room

    As the Washington Post reports, the “prideful but cash-poor pariah state” has demanded that a foreign country foot the bill at its preferred lodging: the Fullerton, “a magnificent neoclassical hotel near the mouth of the Singapore River, where just one presidential suite costs more than $6,000 per night.”

    Go fund me: Help Poor Kim Jong Un’s Summit hotel

  17. Armadillo

    You think MT is sweet?

    Nope. He’s the worse grub of the lot.

  18. None

    And he’s now taking $150k from the Press, his partner’s employer for 11 years.
    Hypocrisy writ large.

    Campion’s former employer was News Corp in particular the Daily Telegraph, not Channel 7 who offered them the money; they took the money for the kid and as I have said before here I don’t blame them it is their story and they have every right to profit from it just as everybody else is profiting from it – remember newspapers are a business there to make a profit ; as they pointed out the money is being put into a trust account for the kid and the trust is not even being run by either of them. You seem to forget that Barnaby used to be an accountant and he may well still be certified as one. As I said before I don’t blame them for that. The press and it seems not a few politicians are determined to render both of them unemployable and yet they have a duty towards their son who is an innocent and at least deserves some semblance of a normal life. I hate divorce, hate adultery, I cannot condone what they did- they at least recognise the damage you caused- but what’s done is done.

  19. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo

    If you are still doing the ‘punt’ can you tell me how much tax and GST you pay, please?

  20. None

    The journalists at the Australian bar one or two exceptions ooze more sanctimony than those at the Age or the ABC.

  21. OneWorldGovernment

    None

    Well said.

  22. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727339, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:40 am

    Mark A

    As much as you can say it publicly but how is the old family farm going and how is your brother?

    He is OK we got a manager for the Baynton lot, just too far away from Drummond to check on the the farm hand. Metcalfe is close by. He’s been kicked off the shire council last election, first time in many years we don’t have a family member on the council. The riding he contested is too close to Kyneton and Malmsbury, the demographics have changed dramatically, full of SJW sea-changers.,

    Been so for years but now it’s saturated as the older gen. is dying out, and the house prices in Melbourne are so high, pepole are commuting from there.

    Life and opportunities change all the time, trick is, not be left behind.
    Trouble with land is, you can’t pack it up and take it with you.

  23. Armadillo

    Spin that line to his parents, wife and daughters, None.

    Not to mention those who worked to elect him. He’s gone.

  24. Armadillo

    If you are still doing the ‘punt’ can you tell me how much tax and GST you pay, please?

    As much as I’m legally required to. Not a cent more.

  25. None

    So gamers show themselves to have more guts then academics

  26. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727350, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:00 am

    Thanks Mark A.

    They were talking about ‘deer’ earlier.

    I used to win bets that we had deer in Australia and particularly around Kyneton.

    They don’t know or forget that there is an actual Melbourne suburb called Deer Park!

  27. Armadillo

    Thank God the Cat has an escape hatch. The tax inspector has arrived, All that burrowing has finally paid off.

    Here’s a distraction squirrel OWG. Talk to JC about his tax affairs whilst I use the toilet.

  28. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo
    #2727353, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:03 am

    If you are still doing the ‘punt’ can you tell me how much tax and GST you pay, please?

    As much as I’m legally required to. Not a cent more.

    Fair call.

    But is it nominally 17.5% including GST?

    That’s all I wanted to know.

  29. OneWorldGovernment

    Armadillo
    #2727358, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:14 am

    Thank God the Cat has an escape hatch. The tax inspector has arrived, All that burrowing has finally paid off.

    Here’s a distraction squirrel OWG. Talk to JC about his tax affairs whilst I use the toilet.

    Make sure there is no grey nurse down there.

  30. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727357, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:12 am

    Mark A
    #2727350, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:00 am

    Thanks Mark A.

    They were talking about ‘deer’ earlier.

    I used to win bets that we had deer in Australia and particularly around Kyneton.

    Friends of ours used to have them at Lauriston and Spring Hill, Been out of touch with them, for obvious reasons, but try to find an email addy and see if they still doing it.

    Same goes for Emu farming around there in the late 80s.
    Ah memories OWG. memories

  31. None

    Armadillo I got booted off Twitter because I defended Joyce’s wife and daughters against some other slender by the lefties Who then decided to gang up on me and report me. I have seen these situations one time too many amongst my circle of friends, colleagues and acquaintances ( mercifully, bar one uncle, my family is extraordinarily stable when it comes to marriage). The sexually liberated types fought long and hard to get rid of adultery as a mitigating factor in order to introduce no fault divorce. That tell us that even a woman is not necessary for marriage given now two blokes I can pretend they’re married. They want to tell us women are liberated in which case that means they can chase after whatever sexual partner they desire. We have books TV series and movies glorifying adultery and extramarital relationships. It is the height of hypocrisy for the luvvies to now demand some sort of punishment because he and Campion had an affair. Backup on about some sort of financial in Proprietary but not one of them has come up with any evidence and I noticed that not one of them cared when people like Tony Burke actually use to public monies to fly his mistress around and to also pay for access visits to his kids.

  32. Mark A

    Mark A
    #2727361, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:23 am

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727357, posted on June 4, 2018 at 1:12 am

    Yes there were and are wild deer around there as well if that’s what you were referring to.

    Deer is like vermin. Lives everywhere and breeds like rabbits.

  33. None

    Egg – as far as I recall they both discussed throwing out the paternity issue even though he worded it differently to what they discussed. What I saw there was both of them besieged, trying to throw the press off the trail. I find it amusing people are now complaining he threw Campion under the bus while they’re busy destroying her and him. As I said this is a really, really bad situation. I think people also realise this is a really human one as well.

  34. None

    So now Sharri Markson is quoting hearsay about Barnaby’s parents – because she can’t just cope with the fact that they gazumped her – like Barnaby’s 51 and his aged parents are going to get a say in his life. And how low can you go dragging in elderly parents. Nothing on record mind that would be a little bit too much like a journalist whereas Markson is just a gossipmonger. I mean Sharri Markson has totally lost the plot and shown that she’s just obsessed with Barnaby because he dared to oppose gay marriage.That really is the only thing that Sharri Markson cares about: getting some anal. And then he turned around and made money out of her so-called scoop. Haha. I would also say as a woman that women like Sharri and Overington are just jealous of Campion because she got the baby and the man and a man who gave up everything for her. Oh how that must hurt the little green eyed monsters ( sorry but I know how b***** women can be).

  35. None

    Deer is like vermin. Lives everywhere and breeds like rabbits.

    Like goats. Can you at least make money from shooting deer like some make money from shooting goats?

  36. Mark A

    None
    #2727367, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:00 am

    Deer is like vermin. Lives everywhere and breeds like rabbits.

    Like goats. Can you at least make money from shooting deer like some make money from shooting goats?

    Deer meat (venison) is not universally popular, too dry, somewhat like kangaroo meat.
    I’m a very good amateur cook, not a chef, and I find it hard to cook it to satisfaction.

    Grilled quickly to rare, medium-rare is recommended.

    Best I can do with it is a good ‘beef bourguignon’, aka beef Burgundy with plenty of bacon and marinated well.

    But in my opinion any meat that needs marinating is not fit to eat.

    So, other than its meat, there is not much going for it.

  37. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A

    I only know one bloke that made money out of Ostriches back in the 90’s.

    Top Ender would have enjoyed talking to him as he was part of defence of Darwin when the Japs bombed.

    He went into the NG jungle to pick off Jap snipers.

  38. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A

    I got roped into some thing in front of Parliament House, years ago.

    I was cooking, BBQ, kangaroo and Emu ‘steaks’.

    I grew up killing home grown sheep, cattle and pigs.

    Can’t stand the kangaroo and emu.

    Crok is foul.

  39. None

    Thanks Mark. I thought venison was sort of expensive meat but then I’m thinking, I don’t even think I’ve ever tried it. From what you say it sounds like he has a low fat content and the fascist where the taste is. So the hide is probably not worth much either? Just vermin. Probably hard to get rid of vermin too given all the Bandy associations I bet

  40. None

    Haha try again.

    Thanks Mark. I thought venison was sort of expensive meat but then I’m thinking, I don’t even think I’ve ever tried it. From what you say it sounds like it has a low fat content and the fat is where the taste is. So the hide is probably not worth much either? Just vermin. Probably hard to get rid of vermin too given all the Bambi associations I bet.

    And with that I Bid You Goodnight.

  41. Mark A

    None
    #2727372, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:31 am

    Haha try again.

    Thanks Mark. I thought venison was sort of expensive meat

    None,
    If you still around, expensive in a way that it’s not readily available and sounds posh, all the nobles and kings used to eat it.
    And also expensive of the way of lamb shanks.

    Snob value.
    We used to feed shanks to the canines.

  42. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727373, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:42 am

    We used to feed shanks to the canines.

    LOL

    Kindly correct me if I’m wrong but someone gave me to understand that roo meat was popular in Germany because they can’t get the same quantity of deer that they used to obtain.

    ???

  43. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727374, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:49 am

    Mark A
    #2727373, posted on June 4, 2018 at 2:42 am

    We used to feed shanks to the canines.

    LOL

    Kindly correct me if I’m wrong but someone gave me to understand that roo meat was popular in Germany because they can’t get the same quantity of deer that they used to obtain.

    It used to be until the OZ supplier screwed up. (can’t remember the details now, had to do with the Russians, they blew the lid off it when they realised substitutes were involved)

    Deer hunting is a very, very expensive past time here, OWG, also boar hunting. The Germans pay big bucks for it. They go to the eastern EU states where it’s a bit, no a lot, cheaper.

  44. Mark A

    OWG

    If you are really really bored out of you mind, and providing you can open it, watch this.
    It’s a live bear watch site. You can see wild boar and mostly bears doing bear things, well eating mostly.

  45. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727376, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:05 am

    OWG

    If you are really really bored out of you mind

    Far out.

    I skimmed through it.

    We used to have a lot, lot, of wild pigs along the rivers where I grew up.

    And kangaroos. I’ve seen them drown dogs.

    But bears.

    No wonder our fore’bears’ killed the things off!

    I laugh when I see things that ‘greenie communists reintroducing bears into areas where animal farming is being conducted!

  46. None

    Snob value.
    We used to feed shanks to the canines.

    Just just caught this. Ha! All starting to make sense now. Thanks.

  47. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A

    How much does a bear skin rug cost?

  48. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727379, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:21 am

    Mark A

    How much does a bear skin rug cost?

    No idea I’m afraid.
    Have to consult a bear. LOL

  49. Mark A

    There are 3 of them now in the pic, but they look mangy to me, maybe it’s the same as with other wild life, only the winter coat is valuable?

  50. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727381, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:29 am

    There are 3 of them now in the pic, but they look mangy to me, maybe it’s the same as with other wild life, only the winter coat is valuable?

    Yes.

    I want the full on winter coat.

    I’d consult a bear with a decent sized gun in my hands, and eyes in the back of my head.

    They are reasonably fast.

    What location is the video from?

  51. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727382, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:38 am

    I want the full on winter coat.

    I’d consult a bear with a decent sized gun in my hands, and eyes in the back of my head.
    —————————————————-

    Looking at them they don’t seem to be as easily shot as one would imagine, ie. them standing upright and roaring, giving the biggest target.
    ——————————-
    They are reasonably fast.

    ——————-
    sure are!
    ————–
    What location is the video from?
    —————————-

    From what I can gather it’s a private forest in Transylvania/Romania.

    Thinking commercially, don’t know what the bloke gets out of it, other than pure enjoyment, but to me watching it day in day out seems a bit weird.

    Although he says that there are many other wild animals in the range of the watch cameras, but still…

  52. OneWorldGovernment

    From what I can gather it’s a private forest in Transylvania/Romania.

    Thinking commercially, don’t know what the bloke gets out of it, other than pure enjoyment, but to me watching it day in day out seems a bit weird.

    Although he says that there are many other wild animals in the range of the watch cameras, but still…

    Maybe they want live deaths!?

    I’d be carrying an old fashioned 303 and shoot anything that moved.

  53. Mark A

    Mark A
    #2727383, posted on June 4, 2018 at 3:49 am

    Thinking commercially, don’t know what the bloke gets out of it, other than pure enjoyment, but to me watching it day in day out seems a bit weird.

    Although he says that there are many other wild animals in the range of the watch cameras, but still…

    OK I got it. This is a commercial operation and what we can see is a teaser of what you can expect if you hire the various sites. Sort of like a photo safari sitting down.

  54. Mark A

    Zyko, don’t you dare!

    The toons are a ritual and there is only one priest.

    Speaking of, Tom?

  55. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727385, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:04 am

    OK I got it. This is a commercial operation and what we can see is a teaser of what you can expect if you hire the various sites. Sort of like a photo safari sitting down.

    Nah.

    Where the ‘greenies’ feeding the bears?

  56. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727387, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:16 am

    Where the ‘greenies’ feeding the bears?

    Tomorrow’s bear dung?

  57. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2727388, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:22 am

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2727387, posted on June 4, 2018 at 4:16 am

    Where the ‘greenies’ feeding the bears?

    Tomorrow’s bear dung?

    LOL

    That’s what I mean.

    It has all the qualities of a genuine horror movie.

    Throw a bit of blood on someone, push them through the gaqte and tell them to get to the other side and you win , whatever) in EU.

    Snuff films r us!

  58. OneWorldGovernment

    Here is something grotesque

    Broward Sheriff’s Office Denied Paramedics Entry to Parkland School

    Two Rescue Task Force teams made up of three paramedics and three or four policemen were denied entry six times to rooms already found to be safe, according to an incident report released Thursday by the Coral Springs-Parkland Fire Department.

    The incident commander from the sheriff’s office kept telling Michael McNally, deputy fire chief for Coral Springs-Parkland, that “she would have to check,” citing the safety of the paramedics, McNally wrote in the report.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/broward-sheriffs-office-denied-paramedics-entry-parkland-school/

  59. Mark A

    Zanetti got it. Thanks Tom.

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    Zgreat collection this morning Tom

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ben Garrison’s whimpering dinosaurs are excellent!

  62. Gab

    On the outer Barcoo where the churches are few,
    And men of religion are scanty,
    On a road never cross’d ‘cept by folk that are lost,
    One Michael Magee had a shanty…

  63. None

    Now this Mike was the dad of a ten-year-old lad, Plump, healthy, and stoutly conditioned;
    He was strong as the best, but poor Mike had no rest For the youngster had never been christened…

  64. rickw

    The row comes after the revelation by TV historian Dan Snow that he lies to his daughters about women’s roles in history, including telling them there were female Spitfire pilots, so they feel free ‘to follow their dreams’.

    There were actually some female Spitfire pilots, they were ferry pilots.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transport_Auxiliary

  65. None

    Wow thanks Tom. I only just saw the Daily Telegraph front print page which is worse. The sanctimony of the News Corp press is astonishing -even Fairfax is a little bit more balanced. I think they’re just pissed because Joyce and Campion made money off of their “scoop” and I don’t blame them one bit. News Corp it especially the Daily Telegraph an hour just malicious and vicious and they are not delivering any sort of news whatsoever. Dave moaned about Campion being moved to another job which is actually quite normal in these circumstances but I’ve never proven any in proprietary. They should be outraged that Parliamentarians were trying to force a woman to have an abortion just to make their political life easier but no they prefer to have a hissy fit because they got gazumped.
    I get that they hate Joyce and Campion but good grief they’re not doing Joyce’s daughters any favours by mocking their father the way that they are doing and that little baby is still their half brother and they still deserve a chance to get to know him and to maintain a relationship with their father. The media are just absolute wreckers. Peer if you’re reading this pick up the phone make some amends and lend some moral support to your daughter. No the situation is not pretty but these people are monsters.

  66. Peter Campion

    The “conservative” was Turnbull.

    Now you know.

  67. twostix

    The row comes after the revelation by TV historian Dan Snow that he lies to his daughters about women’s roles in history, including telling them there were female Spitfire pilots, so they feel free ‘to follow their dreams’.

    Poor girls, dad wishes he’d got sons.

    They know it too. Very sad.

  68. None

    Dear God Peter be careful what you say – it doesn’t seem to accord with what Vikki said anyway. But more importantly take a deep breath, take some time for quiet thought, pick up the phone, make some amends, and lend your daughter some quiet support.

  69. Eyrie

    I met one of the female ATA Spitfire pilots once. Anne Welch, well known in gliding circles.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle

    Who doesn’t like a TERF war?

    AWFL would sign her up in an instant.

  71. calli

    For the MAMILs among us:

    It shaved a stump by half an inch, it dodged a big white-box:
    The very wallaroos in fright went scrambling up the rocks,
    The wombats hiding in their caves dug deeper underground,
    As Mulga Bill, as white as chalk, sat tight to every bound.
    It struck a stone and gave a spring that cleared a fallen tree,
    It raced beside a precipice as close as close could be;
    And then as Mulga Bill let out one last despairing shriek
    It made a leap of twenty feet into the Dead Man’s Creek.

    😄

  72. Zaan

    Thanks Tom
    You are my first go to in the morning 🙂

  73. Gab

    Laer Realty employees in Massachusetts decided to display 200 US flags for Memorial Day. The local council told them to remove the “excessive” display of flags, citing some old law about using the flag for commercial purposes.

    The employees escalated and increased the number of flags to 500.

    Never apologise, always escalate.

  74. Geriatric mayfly

    ‘Absolute scum of the earth‘
    Vikki Campion says “people within parliament’’ tried to force her to have an abortion as she and Barnaby Joyce attack the PM.

    If they are on the green and red leather, the judicious leaking of a few names would unsettle the frightbats. Emily’s listers would be at the forefront of scuttling about in manifest horror at a woman going to term.

  75. C.L.

    Senator Fraser Anning claimed that more than half of all Muslims are unemployed …
    ABC “Fact” Check unit springs into action:

    Wrong

    Senator Anning is wrong.

    Fact Check analysed data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS), which economics professor John Quiggin, of the University of Queensland, then verified.

    The analysis showed 43 per cent of working-age Muslims were not in the labour force — significantly less than the figure of 56 per cent cited by Senator Anning.

    LOL.

  76. Peter Campion

    Serious question: are there any Nationals that support abortion?

  77. calli

    He says the town even recently issued violations for churches that placed flags on their property.

    Huh? I hope the churches told them to jam it.

    In the ancient, far-off time of my yoof, two flags hung proudly from the nave of my neo-gothic church – the Australian and the Union Jack. They seem to have disappeared from modern churches.

    Maybe it’s time for a come-back, at least for one of them.

  78. C.L.

    Breaking: Alexander Downer caught lying about Papadopoulos meeting.

  79. calli

    Gee, that Staff Writers person has the makings of an investigative journalist.

  80. Geriatric mayfly

    For war buffs, at lucianne.com

    The Great War pictures that are Not colourised:
    Incredible photographs of World War I taken by
    some of the first colour cameras
    Amazing early pictures of war.

  81. “Downer declined to comment..”
    It would be nice to see an Aus “journo” ask his nibs daughter, whilst she’s on the hustings, does she view foreign interference into our elections as acceptable forms of statecraft?
    Frame it around the current issue of Chinese interference and influence in our polity.
    Would love to see her squirm answering it..

  82. Peter Campion

    Lesson for all polliemuppets: take responsibility for your own fertility.

  83. cohenite

    Senator Fraser Anning claimed that more than half of all Muslims are unemployed …
    ABC “Fact” Check unit springs into action:

    Wrong

    Senator Anning is wrong.

    Fact Check analysed data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS), which economics professor John Quiggin, of the University of Queensland, then verified.

    The analysis showed 43 per cent of working-age Muslims were not in the labour force — significantly less than the figure of 56 per cent cited by Senator Anning.

    LOL.

    Lol indeed. If you consider muslim refugees 84% are on benefits; charts 9 & 10:

    https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/01_2014/settlement-outcomes-new-arrival_access.pdf

  84. Geriatric mayfly

    Senator Fraser Anning claimed that more than half of all Muslims are unemployed …
    ABC “Fact” Check unit springs into action:

    Give the Moosleys a break. There are compelling reasons why they find working for a living as an enterprise fraught with difficulty.

    The UK study of mostly Muslim jobseekers indicated they were not prepared to work in some or all of the following situations:
    Places where alcohol was sold;
    Gambling establishments, or places in which the accrual of interest was promoted;
    Places where they were required to handle non-halal meat;
    Places where there was no time or suitable place to pray.
    There were further restrictions for some Muslim women relating to:
    Observing hijab;
    Wanting to work in an all-female workplace;
    Not being prepared to work at night or in jobs that involved meeting the public;
    Islamic rituals, such as observing Muslim holidays and restrictions on shaking hands.

  85. hzhousewife

    I didn’t get to the USA until early 1979, but there were still plenty of towns with flags and fire-hydrants painted as flags enduring from the 1976 200 year anniversary of Independence day. Uplifting.

  86. Percy Popinjay

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! Piers Akerman’s column slamming Yassie Abdul McDweeb cleared of any breaches by the press council.

    We need to see a rematch (on the ALPBC) of the famous incoherent screechfest between Yassie and Jackie-Jacqui Lambie. Beats watching the Beetrooter and the Bananababy as a televisual feast hands down.

    Funnily enough, no comments are allowed on Overington’s piece in the Oz on that latter borefest.

  87. egg_

    The press and it seems not a few politicians are determined to render both of them unemployable and yet they have a duty towards their son who is an innocent and at least deserves some semblance of a normal life.

    Again, I contrast Burke, who didn’t burn his bridges.

  88. Percy Popinjay

    That Zanetti is bloody hilarious. Thanks, Tom.

  89. egg_

    Armadillo
    #2727338, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:40 am
    whom he’s likely burnt his bridges with already.

    More likely dynamited them. He’s gone. Finished, Kaput.

    Yup.
    Let the Cat’s Ladies Pages emote all they like, but they ‘did Barn slowly’ on a spit of his own making, to quote a fellow Cat.

  90. lotocoti

    The UK study …

    The Germany Abolishes Itself series over at GP tells the tale.

  91. Snoopy

    Speaking of burning bridges.

  92. Roger

    Piers Akerman’s column slamming Yassie Abdul McDweeb cleared of any breaches by the press council.

    YAM claims it’s an attempt to silence her and others like her.

    She wants a protected space, beyond criticism, dish it out but never have to take any in return.

    Thos. Sowell: “When you’ve received preferential treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination.”

    Good on you, Piers.

  93. Shy Ted

    Good to see you sleeping in once in a while, Tom. 44 minutes by my reckoning.

  94. Carpe Jugulum

    Krudd is appearing in court today in the class action on the pink batts program.

  95. egg_

    Speaking of burning bridges.

    Burning bridges in the War Room?

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Discussion last nite on the movie ‘The Bookshop’. I saw it last week with some girlfriends who all loved it. Agree that Bill Nighy played a part that was essentially just Bill being Bill. Bruce in WA says, with the full weight of his filmic studies:

    Tedious, overwrought, banal cinematography masquerading as art and entertainment, backed up a script devoid of any wit or insight and a plot you could drive a Massey Ferguson through.

    Yes, it was all of that. But if you simply accepted it for itself (a vehicle for Bill Nighy that quite consciously over-characterized the nineteen fifties), it did have some redeeming features. Its ‘masquerade’ as art came off sometimes. I thought the ending was OK, just picturing stills of the faces of the people involved in the story, without overt comment (although of course the story itself made a comment about their involvement). It was quite deliberately stylized, in script, in settings, in characterisation and in cinematography. The plot was thin air, but the audience could see that from the start surely?

    I’ve never read Lollita, so it made me hit Wikipedia afterwards and check the storyline (which I vaguely knew) and the reviewers’ opinions of the book. The Nighy character’s love of Malcolm Bradbury, and the undertones of pa3d0 interests and self-hatred and isolation in that character, and the female bookshop owner’s desire for his honest opinion, made the whole thing slightly creepy for me (in spite of his redemptive actions towards her). It made me feel awkward and voyeuristic, as did general tone of the movie. Leftist film-maker’s excuse making? I don’t think I would enjoy reading Lollita. Like ‘Death in Venice’, clever ‘literary’ writing and reflections on ‘the human condition’ when bundled in with what I consider to be very unfortunate hard-wiring, rather turn me off.

  97. cohenite

    Krudd is appearing in court today in the class action on the pink batts program.

    Appearing as what?

  98. Percy Popinjay

    She wants a protected space, beyond criticism, dish it out but never have to take any in return.

    What I find inexplicable is that she’s been allowed a media megaphone in the first place. She’s as thick as pigshit, hates Joos and is a willing participant in her own sexist degradation by the monstrous idiotology she adheres to – not to mention that she has absolutely zero to say of any interest about any topic whatsoever – she’s simply a female moozley Squalid Ali.

    Ugly, stupid, third world numpties who are wrong about everything. Thanks for foisting those idiots on us, braindead lamestream meeja!

  99. Percy Popinjay

    Appearing as what?

    A fat relevance deprived imbecile.

  100. Geriatric mayfly

    Krudd is appearing in court today in the class action on the pink batts program.
    Appearing as what?

    His own QC, and instructing solicitor. No need for M’Learn’d friends when Our Kev is in the spotlight.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    THE NATION
    Labor facing rank-and-file revolt over asylum-seeker policy

    The Australian
    12:00AM June 4, 2018

    Troy Bramston
    Senior writer
    Sydney
    @TroyBramston

    Labor is facing a grassroots revolt over refugee policy, with city and country branches calling for sweeping changes to the largely ­bipartisan border protection and offshore processing regime ahead of the NSW Labor annual conference.

    The Australian has obtained more than a dozen motions submitted by Labor Party branches to the annual conference on June 30 and July 1 at the Sydney Town Hall. Not one motion supports the party’s current policy in full.

    The motions show the party leadership is out of step with the views of members, who want a clear statement of support for the principles advocated by the Labor for Refugees internal lobby group and the restoration of “a fair and humane policy on refugees and people seeking asylum”.

    These motions show the party’s rank and file are uncomfortable with the suite of tough policies that provide for offshore detention and processing of refugees, and boat turnbacks that are designed to deny landfall to refugees seeking asylum as a deterrent to taking the hazardous journey in the first place.

    There is also concern over the “demonisation” of refugees by the government and their treatment in detention. Labor branches want a future Labor government to redouble efforts to establish a more effective regional framework for dealing with asylum seekers in partnership with the UN.

    A policy document prepared by Labor for Refugees has the support of many party branches.

    It calls for, among other things, a royal commission into “the abuses of men, women and children” in detention; the right for protection claims to be assessed in Australia and the abandonment of offshore detention; and a clear 12-month timetable for determining claims for protection with judicial appeal rights under Australian law.

    While motions support “maintaining essential maritime activity to prevent people-smuggling”, party members want Labor to commit to “immediately” closing “all offshore detention facilities” and relocating all remaining refugees to Australia, New Zealand or the US.

    From the Oz. Any competent Government would have Bill Shorten on toast over this issue. (Crickets)

  102. OldOzzie

    Tom

    thanks – Ben Garrison #1 by a short head over Mark Knight #1 with Zanetti a close 3rd

  103. cohenite

    Peter Campion

    #2727409, posted on June 4, 2018 at 6:41 am

    The “conservative” was Turnbull.

    Now you know.

    Turnbull had another light bulb moment?

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Beats watching the Beetrooter and the Bananababy as a televisual feast hands down.

    We were out last night and so I missed it. Didn’t record it either.
    Think I’ve got the gist of it though here on the Cat.
    The pic back thread of Barnaby as dad, with mum and cutie-pie baby was lovely though.
    Kittehs are allowed to have a little coo over that. We can’t resist babies. Well known fact.

  105. Snoopy

    ABC claims Joyce’s parliamentary colleagues were critical of his interview. Show interviews with Hunch and Hanson-Dugong. Colleagues?

  106. Roger

    What I find inexplicable is that she’s been allowed a media megaphone in the first place –
    she’s simply a female moozley Squalid Ali.

    I think you’ve just answered your own question, Percy.

    Meanwhile, idiotology is one for the Cat lexicon.

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for the ‘toons, Tom. A real treat taken with breakfast.

  108. OldOzzie

    Editor’s Nptes – The Man from Ironbark [poem by Banjo Paterson]”

    all the go = the current fashion

    blessed = an exclamatory oath; “bloody” was the most common expletive used at that time, but it was regarded as so rude and uncouth that it could not be printed

    bloomin’ = an exclamatory oath

    bushman = a man from the bush; someone who lives out in the country

    By George = an exclamatory oath; from the tradition of avoiding blasphemy and the misuse of sacred words, by substituting words with the same initial letter (exclamatory oaths that use such a substitution for “God” include “by George”, “good golly”, “oh my gosh”, “good gracious me”, and “good grief”)

    catch him all alive = to succeed in tricking someone with a practical joke (originally an unrelated fishermen’s phrase)

    dexter = on the right side

    flash = showy, vulgar; fashionable or showy, but in a way that shows a lack of taste.

    flats = usually a reference to river flats, the flat and fertile alluvial plains located around the lower reaches of large streams or rivers (usually prone to flooding)

    gilded youths = fashionable and usually idle young men; from “gilded” as in covering an item with a thin layer of gold (or to make something look that way), leading to the meaning of “gilded” as to give a deceptively attractive or showy appearance that conceals something of little worth

    Murder! Bloody Murder!
    = this is a precise usage of the word “bloody”, as to use “bloody” as a swear word was considered at that time to be too rude and uncouth to be printed

    nail and tooth = to act in a totally unrestrained manner; the usual phrase “tooth and nail” means to fight fiercely with every available means

    peeler man = a policeman; a reference to Sir Robert Peel, 1788-1850, former British Prime Minister who, when he was Home Secretary, laid the foundations for the modern police force in Britain (police were also nicknamed “Bobbies” after him; from the nickname of “Bob” commonly used for the name Robert)

    razor = an open-blade razor or (also known as a “cut-throat razor”), as was used in earlier times for shaving, in wide use before the invention of the safety razor

    toff = someone who is rich or upper-class, a term usually used in a somewhat derogatory manner; “do the Sydney toff” refers to acting like a rich man from the city of Sydney

    tote = short for totalisator (US spelling, totalizator), a form of betting on horse races, where those who bet on the winners divide the bets or stakes, less a percentage which goes to those who run the operation (who “keep the tote”)

    up-country = a reference to a remote, inland region; in this context it is an unflattering reference to an unsophisticated style

  109. John Constantine

    Did the chicoms actually pay Australian political quislings to burn Clive Palmer’s books outright, or was it just our kleptocracy sucking up to the chicom bagmen by burning books they felt their masters would be unhappy with?.

    Fahrenheit 451 in 2018.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  110. Snoopy

    According to TheirABC, Barnaby not declaring his girlfriend was having a baby during the New England by-electionwas a scandal while Jacinda not declaring she was pregnant during the NZ general election was an example of girrrrl power.

  111. Roger

    …a clear 12-month timetable for determining claims for protection with judicial appeal rights under Australian law.

    Paid for by tax payers, most of whom couldn’t afford to exercise such rights on their own behalf.

  112. Siltstone

    Re: Labor facing rank-and-file revolt over asylum-seeker policy

    The motions show the party leadership is out of step with the views of members,

    If anyone thinks a branch resolution reflects the views of members they are kidding themselves. 50% + 1 of a self selected crowd who can be bothered to turn up to branch meeting?
    But Turnbull is too stupid to use this since he is actually one of the 50% +1 ALP types.

  113. Snoopy

    ABC’s Ros Childs reports that Rudy Giuliani has admitted that Trump can pardon himself.

    LOL

  114. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ugly, stupid, third world numpties who are wrong about everything. Thanks for foisting those idiots on us, braindead lamestream meeja!

    A true Catallaxian speaks in the style of yore. The Cat thrives on inventive invective.
    Tinta holds line honours, but Percy is a definite challenger.

  115. egg_

    Barnaby not declaring his girlfriend was having a baby during the New England by-election

    He was lucky that Windsor was merciful – more front than Mark Foy’s.

  116. H B Bear

    As I’ve said previously, boaties and country shoppers might be the only thing that gets the Lieborals over the line unless goldfish voters have forgotten what happened last time. Lieboral dilettante PM, Lord Waffleworth of Point Piper, wouldn’t deign to remind them.

  117. John Constantine

    The left loathe the turnbullites for demonising voteherds, but the quiet achievers of their turnbullites election winning machine have signed more capitulation conventions per year to the UN than any other government, and boosted Big Australia faster than any other government.

    The left aren’t happy with any other strategy than openly rubbing decolonisation in racists faces through merkel level mass millions in one huge wave.

    Just flying hundreds of thousands in like their turnbullites have signed up to do quietly doesn’t count.

    It is war, and the enemies of the left must be openly purged, not just beaten.

    Comrades.

  118. Tom

    Labor facing rank-and-file revolt over asylum-seeker policy

    The Liars zombie-commo rank-and-file must be heard! Tear down those national borders and let us invite in the entire Third World to share the wealth we stole from them!

    (Just as well KRudd made a challenge virtually impossible so the Liars are stuck with Peanut Head, who will go with whatever this year’s vibe is with the zombie-commo plebs.)

  119. Snoopy

    The motions show the party leadership is out of step with the views of members,

    No, it shows the ALP leadership is lying to the Australian public.

  120. Gab

    Any reviews of The Guernsey Literary And Potato Peel Pie Society movie from Cats?

  121. Roger

    Thanks for foisting those idiots on us, braindead lamestream meeja!

    It was the political class who foisted YAM on us – came to prominence via QLD awards & was then selected by Julie Bishop to be on the Council for Australia-Arab Relations, a position she later used as a platform to promote her book internationally.

  122. Motelier

    Just as well KRudd made a challenge virtually impossible so the Liars are stuck with Peanut Head, who will go with whatever this year’s vibe is with the zombie-commo plebs.)

    Just one small srep away from “President for life”.

  123. egg_

    Ugly, stupid, third world numpties who are wrong about everything.

    LLN certification is almost mandatory in workplace training – again, ESL will have to have an impact on workplace safety, regardless if someone is a PhD, almost akin to the aircraft pilot ‘not eating with a knife and fork’.
    Not unlike NASA fvckups, burying Mars landers with metric/imperial units screw up, ‘human factors’ affecting another planet.

  124. candy

    Well Sebastian is in world now and what a lovely little blue eyed fellow he is. The parents will be glad they did not take Mr Turnbull’s advice (or whoever) and flush him away. Sebastian Joyce lives snd thrives..

  125. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    According to TheirABC, Barnaby not declaring his girlfriend was having a baby during the New England by-electionwas a scandal while Jacinda not declaring she was pregnant during the NZ general election was an example of girrrrl power.

    And ‘kill Pell’ over an unlikely fumble fifty years ago, while look the other way for Shorten’s accuser about forced sex at a Young Labor conference. Plus Shorten left his wife and family to gain obvious advantage via his new Ma-in-law but that’s immediately pushed under the rug.

  126. Roger

    it shows the ALP leadership is lying to the Australian public.

    Bill’s ability to speak out of both sides of his mouth is really going to be tested come the ALP national conference: rank & file want open borders, focus groups vehemently against.

  127. Delta A

    Excellent batch of toons today, Tom. Mark Knight’s Pistol and Boo is my pick.

  128. H B Bear

    Just as well KRudd made a challenge virtually impossible so the Liars are stuck with Peanut Head, who will go with whatever this year’s vibe is with the zombie-commo plebs.

    Peanut Head will be turfed if the bruvvas think it needs to be done to win the next election. The Reachtel robo-polling for the by-elections suggests it won’t be long.

  129. Siltstone

    rank & file want open borders,
    maybe many ALP rank and file dont even know they are members. Being of certain ethnic persuasion or in certain unionised sectors can almost magically guarantee you end up on some ALP banch membership list.

  130. Eyrie

    If the Coalition picks up one seat in the bye elections, Malfunction’s threat to do a dummy spit if turfed is nullified. Unfortunately his political ineptitude makes this unlikely.

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    According to TheirABC, Barnaby not declaring his girlfriend was having a baby during the New England by-electionwas a scandal while Jacinda not declaring she was pregnant during the NZ general election was an example of girrrrl power.

    I saw it with my Chic-Flix going friends. We’d all read the book and thought it was fairly true to it, although the narrator’s fighter pilot lover in the UK was brought more into the plotline than in the book. Scenically it reminded me of the lush and ‘faery’ Isle of Man, but the credits said it was shot in Spain (as was The Bookshop – must be tax breaks there), and Hairy tells me Guernsey is nothing like as pretty as the Isle of Man. I still came out of the movie wanting to go there though and check out its WW2 heritage.

    In general, like The Bookshop, it is a piece of rather soft nostalgia, with all characters set-pieces of their type, in both of these movies villagers who exist within a web of secret local gossip. Enjoyable in a way once you accept that mode, as was the book itself a good read, and with a plot line about the German occupation that raises it a level from The Bookshop, which simply pits a rural bookshop against local opposition to it. Both films though are rather consciously made for those of a certain age, especially women, who long for a retreat into a re-imagined past of prettier frocks and slower-paced times, and you can yawn at the pace of these movies sometimes. Both of these movies are also pitched at people who belong to book clubs, so the movie becomes a meta-level of commentary they’ve already engaged in. I don’t belong to any book club, but I do read some of the books Chic-Flix friends recommend.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arrgh. Ditch that blockquote (from my previous comment) and substitute Gab’s comment to which I was replying:

    Any reviews of The Guernsey Literary And Potato Peel Pie Society movie from Cats?

  133. Tel

    Ugly, stupid, third world numpties who are wrong about everything.

    There’s no shortage of stupid first world numpties who are wrong about everything. Indeed, the first world is a much more forgiving place towards idiots. One of the ways in which we are victims of our own technological success.

    You know who you are.

  134. Roger

    There’s no shortage of stupid first world numpties who are wrong about everything.

    And here they get to vote!

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In case I am being too harsh, both films do try to depict, and partially explore, serious issues (such as local power and status systems in The Bookshop, and WW2 Nazi collaboration in the case of The Potato Pie movie). They also do their best within the limits of ‘folksy’ characterization to look at the motivations, values and moralities of the times.

  136. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2727495, posted on June 4, 2018 at 9:59 am

    Arrgh. Ditch that blockquote (from my previous comment) and substitute Gab’s comment to which I was replying:

    Any reviews of The Guernsey Literary And Potato Peel Pie Society movie from Cats?

    In general, like The Bookshop, it is a piece of rather soft nostalgia, with all characters set-pieces of their type, in both of these movies villagers who exist within a web of secret local gossip. Enjoyable in a way once you accept that mode, as was the book itself a good read, and with a plot line about the German occupation that raises it a level from The Bookshop, which simply pits a rural bookshop against local opposition to it. Both films though are rather consciously made for those of a certain age, especially women, who long for a retreat into a re-imagined past of prettier frocks and slower-paced times, and you can yawn at the pace of these movies sometimes. Both of these movies are also pitched at people who belong to book clubs, so the movie becomes a meta-level of commentary they’ve already engaged in. I don’t belong to any book club, but I do read some of the books Chic-Flix friends recommend.

    Thanks for that Lizzie,

    saw Chappaquiddick yesterday with my wife (which she enjoyed) but she wanted to see The Guernsey, so will go sometime this week with her to see it.

  137. H B Bear

    Public holiday over here in Wait Awhile as we celebrate … I dunno.

  138. C.L.

    Good. But, ideally, it would send them back home.
    At ABC Online:

    Denmark’s burka ban will send Muslim women further underground.

    Denmark’s burka ban is just another step in a creeping shroud of prejudice slowly spreading over Europe.

    The author – Sandeep Gopalan (presumably a man) – says the burka is a symbol of empowerment and liberty.

  139. John Constantine

    “Hastings Technology Metals Ltd (Hastings or Company) (ASX:HAS) advises that it has decided not to proceed with the capital raising announced on 30 May 2018 given current weak capital market sentiments as a result of political concerns in Europe. ”

    Credit is tightening for the smaller end of the market.

    http://crweworld.com/australia/trendingnow/press-releases/345505/-hastings-technology-metals-ltd-hasax-capital-raising-update-

  140. Rae

    The “conservative” was Turnbull.

    Now you know.

    That’s not how it seemed in the televised interview. Vikki clearly referred only to the Nationals.

  141. Peter Campion

    Abbott would never advocate to abort someone’s child.

  142. John Constantine

    No shortage of first world numpties that feel that a population Ponzi scheme will allow them to create a true socialist workers paradise, because they alone among humanity know how to create real proper communism like it has never been done before.

    The secret is to purge the enemies of the State properly first, Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot were too weak and merciful with their enemies, this time their western left will genocide the Unsound racist clinging deplorables totally and mass import millions of sound reliable socialist replacements for them.

    Comrades.

  143. cohenite

    Richo on Pauline; comments are mixed:

    Pauline’s problem? She’s just not smart enough

    The rise of one-man (or woman) band political movements have become so commonplace over the last few years. They can be rising stars but usually it all ends in tears.

    There are qualities political leaders need to make a real impact. They need to be of good and steady character, they need to have a much higher IQ than average and they need to have that special gift of being able to take their party and the voters with them. All these minor parties have risen and fallen so quickly that only two could endure for a relatively long period. Nick Xenophon and Pauline Hanson lasted for a while but eventually Xenophon’s team seemed to both implode and explode overnight, while Hanson is in grave danger of suffering a similar fate.

    Clive Palmer burst out of the mining industry — and a number of good restaurants — to win a lower house seat and three senate spots. The only one of the three attributes necessary for political success he possessed was intellect. His supporters jumped ship with frightening speed and regularity. While you could never feel sorry for a man like Palmer after what he did to the workers at his aluminium plant in Townsville, you could feel sorry for those he sucked into his orbit. It was hard to watch Glenn Lazarus in his early days in the senate. He didn’t have a remote clue what he was doing and it does seem just about impossible to learn quickly enough about issues, voters and highly complex legislation.

    Jacqui Lambie was not much more than a joke for her first few years. She could find no way of extracting her foot from her mouth, but she did deliver one of the best speeches later in her brief senate career. Her explanation of the harsh realities of being on the dole should have shaken up the chamber with its raw truths and genuine emotion. Sadly, when she fell foul of the dual citizenship requirements she tried to bully her number two into giving up his chance of 15 minutes’ fame to reinstate her. Fame won and Lambie lost. She then made a half-hearted attempt to enter state politics with the formation of the Jacqui Lambie Network. It was a disaster and she achieved a paltry number of votes. On the day of the Tasmanian election she was on the mainland spruiking her new book. Truth be told I think she lacked all three of the necessary qualities.

    Nick Xenophon had the lot, plus he was a good-looking bloke who had considerable charm. But Nick overreached. Having been good enough to out-poll Labor in two consecutive senate elections, Xenophon ran for state parliament. At the beginning of the campaign, the polls suggested he could finish either as Premier or the kingmaker. Labor, on the nose and certain to lose, spent more time bagging Xenophon than bagging the Liberals. They helped destroy the one man who could have saved them if the right deal had been done early enough. Instead, as the campaign dragged on, it became all too obvious that Xenophon — or SA Best as he called his team — had very few policies. You can’t keep the bastards honest if you can’t present the full suite of policies needed to govern a state. This is a sad end for someone who once had it all in front of him.

    That still leaves us with Pauline Hanson who has one thing in common with Clive Palmer — she only has new friends. The old ones have either drifted off or been pushed away.

    Pauline Hanson’s One Nation has limped along despite dissatisfaction with the major parties is at an all-time high. Her vote plateaus and drops. Again, this is a woman without the intellect required, nor the capacity to tolerate anyone who fails to follow her dictates. Intelligent people won’t cop that and it is all she is capable of dishing up.

    Her failures in WA and Queensland, the place where her support is at its zenith, speak volumes of the way her one-woman band is heading.

    If her offsider James Ashby is as smart as I am assured he is, why hasn’t he at least tried to create a real party structure? I suspect the answer is that Hanson won’t have a bar of democracy in the party of which she is President for Life.

    Which begs the question: who is a smart politician? And is that smartness good for the rest of us?

  144. Dr Faustus

    Questions for Alexander Downer

    They may never be answered: but it looks increasingly like Australian involvement in the process of the US Presidential election, apparently aimed at pumping Clinton’s sagging tyres.

    Whatever falls out, the Trump Administration will doubtless hold a charitable and generous view of Lord Waffleworth and Lady Macbeth. Probably similar to the presumptive PM, Shorten.

  145. C.L.

    The rise of one-man (or woman) band political movements have become so commonplace over the last few years. They can be rising stars but usually it all ends in tears.

    See, for example, the Evatt cult, the Whitlam cult, the Hawke cult, the Keating cult, the Rudd cult and the Gillard cult.

    Right, Graham?

  146. OldOzzie

    The Trump Jobs Machine Is Roaring

    Which brings us to JOLTS: The Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey reports that there are 6.6 million unfilled positions, the highest level since these data have been compiled.Which is why more and more workers are telling their employers to take this job and shove it. The quits rate—the portion of workers willing to quit their jobs in search of better ones—stood at only 1.3 percent during the recent recession. It now stands at 2.3 percent, a record high.

    In short, America has a labor shortage. One property developer tells me he could build and sell more homes if he could find skilled roofers. A garden designer complained to me that she can’t find laborers. Trucking companies have rigs sitting idle for lack of drivers. City councils are offering bonuses to workers who relocate to their towns—persuade a friend to join you at your workplace and earn a bonus.

  147. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Public holiday over here in Wait Awhile as we celebrate … I dunno.

    Used to be “Foundation Day” – the day Western Australia was founded, but wasn’t the name changed to something that would recognise the indigenous as the original inhabitants?

  148. H B Bear

    I love it when Bucket Guts talks about character.

  149. jupes

    Dr Beaugan can’t load the Cat. He has four browsers and has powered down his phone but still no joy.

    He gets a 403 message saying he has been denied access.

    Any IT gurus out there with a tip?

  150. Rae

    Discussion last nite on the movie ‘The Bookshop’. I saw it last week with some girlfriends who all loved it.

    Beth. Interesting and imaginative review of yours about The Bookshop. Don’t know that it would pass muster for someone with “7 years of study”, though.

    Your friends loved it. What about you?

    And who is Malcolm Bradbury?

  151. Dr Faustus

    According to TheirABC, Barnaby not declaring his girlfriend was having a baby during the New England by-electionwas a scandal

    The chosen mouthpiece I heard this morning was Joyce-jihadi Hinch.
    Who sounded worse for wear.

  152. Which begs the question: who is a smart politician?

    Wrong question.

    Who gives a sh1t if they are are dumb, as long as they act in their electorates interest.

    These days I use fervent belief in CAGW, roonables, etc as my pollie moron or corrupt meter.
    Stupid or corrupt? Again, motivations don’t count when pollies betray their electorate and country.

    Better question. Does Pauline act in the interests of QLD?

  153. Infidel Tiger

    In short, America has a labor shortage. One property developer tells me he could build and sell more homes if he could find skilled roofers. A garden designer complained to me that she can’t find laborers. Trucking companies have rigs sitting idle for lack of drivers. City councils are offering bonuses to workers who relocate to their towns—persuade a friend to join you at your workplace and earn a bonus.

    In properly ordered society this would lead to rising wages and encourage the unemployed and those that have given up on finding employment back into the labour force. Instead the corporatist kleptocracy will flood the US with third world detritus.

    Male employment rates are still at historical lows.

  154. I never watch TV and was lucky to miss the interview, but the photo of a man and his pretty young wife and their newborn son is perfect.
    I’m a supporter, now.

  155. JC,

    That question was stupid because it was clearly meant to annoy and to a large extent was seen and treated as a non sequitur, by the feminazi coven. Try and be a little more discerning.

    The discernment you are asking for is the discernment of the morally and intellectually bankrupt.
    The question is an honest one that Feminists and Muslims cannot answer because the truth is unmentionable amongst their peers. It would lead to rejection by the groupthinkers. In very much the same way that the Journalist Lefties raped on the streets of Cairo were hounded out by their fellow feminists – the treatment of women by Muslims is not allowed to be spoken of.

  156. egg_

    There’s no shortage of stupid first world numpties who are wrong about everything. Indeed, the first world is a much more forgiving place towards idiots. One of the ways in which we are victims of our own technological success.

    You know who you are.

    Punditry vs Wrongology?
    Worth checking back the blog’s punditry when RGR was in power, or know it all’s don’t commit to punditry, they’re mere ‘advisors’ with no skin in the game?

  157. Geriatric mayfly

    The chosen mouthpiece I heard this morning was Joyce-jihadi Hinch.

    Waiting patiently for Hinch to break the Pell embargo. After all, he does have form in this regard.

  158. OldOzzie

    ABC pundits exposed by rejecting Gillard-AWU slush fund reports – Chris Mitchell

    Sometimes ABC hosts just can’t help but show their true colours. Like last Thursday week when Melbourne ABC radio personality Jon Faine and ABC TV Insiders host Barrie Cassidy discussed the decision of the West Australian Director of Public Prosecutions to drop charges against self-confessed fraudster Ralph Blewitt.

    Blewitt had been charged on 31 counts in March last year under the previous WA Barnett Liberal government. He had admitted being the bagman for Bruce Wilson, former Australian Workers Union WA chief and one-time boyfriend of former prime minister Julia Gillard, in a scam that set up a slush fund to channel payments from big companies meant for the union to Wilson himself.

    Gillard, a partner at Slater and Gordon in Melbourne at the time, had been romantically involved with Wilson since 1992 and had helped to set up the AWU Workplace Reform Association, which was registered as a fund for training workers. Cassidy joked that this newspaper had destroyed whole forests printing stories about the slush fund, while Faine said that the dropping of the Blew­itt charges showed there was never anything in this story.

    Proffered Faine: “The only person charged from all of that is now completely cleared.” Well, no ­actually. The charges have been dropped. Does Faine, for example, think Cardinal George Pell has been cleared of those charges dropped against him?

    In fact, Blewitt spoke for 18 minutes to 2GB host Alan Jones that same week about what ­exactly he, Wilson and Gillard did do, once again admitting his own crimes. But the ABC is not interested. “Not at any stage was there any suggestion that Julia Gillard had done anything wrong,” chimed in Cassidy. Well, no again, guys.

    Remember Gillard’s big Canberra press conferences when she denied her house had been renovated with money from the slush fund? This paper in 2012 produced her exit interview from Slater and Gordon, which was much less clear-cut about who paid, and it found an honest AWU official, Wayne Hem, who admitted using money from Wilson’s account to pay workers on the site.

    But those trying to whitewash the affair face other hurdles. Such as the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption that heard evidence from Hem and another builder, Athol James, both considered credible by commissioner Dyson Heydon, a former High Court judge. They testified that cash from Wilson had been used to pay for renovation work on Gillard’s Abbotsford house in Melbourne’s inner north. Heydon specifically rejected Gillard’s denials she was the beneficiary of cash sums for the renovation.

    The redacted text of her exit ­interview from Slater and Gordon, obtained by Hedley Thomas and published in 2012, showed that when Gillard left her employment in 1995 over her work for Wilson, she had failed to declare her personal conflict of interest and had not created a file for that work. The firm was worried the slush fund work could jeopardise its relationship with one of its largest national clients, the AWU.

    Then there is the evidence of two other judicial figures. One, Ian Cambridge, was appointed to Gillard’s Fair Work Commission in December 2009. A former nat­ional head of the AWU, Cambridge had kept extensive diary notes in the mid-1990s of his ­attempts to track down the Wilson fraud. Thomas revealed details from the Cambridge diaries in ­November 2012 and the story was widely followed in the media but ignored by the ABC.

    Last year Thomas obtained and published handwritten notes by Gillard’s mentor and manager at Slater and Gordon, Bernard Murphy, written in August 1995 after he interviewed Wilson. These show Wilson told Murphy, appointed to the Federal Court by Gillard, that if the slush fund was ever investigated, Wilson “would go to jail”. The Murphy notes were not presented to the royal commission.

    I can just hear the conversation at the ABC: “Who cares about all this? It does not convict Gillard of anything.” And it is true Heydon did not recommend charges against her.

    But so what? There was a very good reason to investigate this then 17-year-old can of worms.

    Gillard, as former PM Kevin Rudd’s deputy, had challenged the sitting Rudd in June 2010 without having faced the sort of scrutiny Rudd had endured as opposition leader throughout 2007, quite ­appropriately for a candidate for PM. Remember all the stories about Rudd’s time as head of the Office of Cabinet in the Queensland government of Wayne Goss when Rudd earned the moniker “Dr Death”? Yet Gillard had a damaging stain on her record.

    Faine and Cassidy put the ­motivation for the slush fund stories down to then opposition ­leader Tony Abbott and his chief of staff, Peta Credlin. Not so, and although they did eventually run hard with The Australian’s story, it was entirely the paper’s decision to look at the issue.

    As Cassidy, a former staff member to Labor PM Bob Hawke, would surely know, many senior ministers in the Gillard government at the time had grave misgivings about her history. Attorney-general Robert McClelland was just the only one brave enough to say so publicly. Senior ABC ­figures would have been aware of the story long before Gillard ­became PM.

    I was first asked to investigate the matter in the mid-1990s after I had taken over as editor-in-chief of Queensland Newspapers. I was urged by former state secretary and national president of the AWU Bill Ludwig to assign journalists to find out what had happened to his union’s money. Cassidy’s AWU contacts would likely be better than mine.

    While Faine and Cassidy pretended the story is an obsession of this newspaper, Cambridge’s original investigation was followed extensively at the time in The Age in Melbourne, where Faine and Cassidy live.

    Faine lamented he was the only real victim of the affair ­because he had been censured by the ABC for an interview with former Sydney 2UE host and now blogger ­Michael Smith about the slush fund story.

    As ABC spin doctor Nick Leys wrote for this paper at the time “the ABC has apologised for a lapse in standards” by ABC 774 presenter Faine over interviews with Smith and former Age editor-at-large Mark Baker about the AWU slush fund allegations.

    The ABC said: “Audience and Consumer Affairs have concluded that the interviews were not conducted in keeping with ABC ­impartiality requirements. The argumentative style of the interviews by Mr Faine, combined with a pattern of strongly stated personal opinions … was not in keeping with the ABC’s rigorous impartiality standards.”

    ABC chairman Justin Milne should educate himself about the way our public broadcaster ­ignored this story. He might start with what Cassidy wrote on the Drum website in November 2012, arguing The Australian was pursuing a legitimate story but giving it too much prominence.

    Within seven months, Gillard’s enemies had used a story Cassidy thought had too much prominence to roll another sitting Labor prime minister.

    Comments are now closed on this article.

  159. stackja

    Utegate
    From Wikipedia
    Utegate (also known as the OzCar affair) refers to a 2009 controversy in Australian federal politics, revolving around allegations made by then Federal Leader of the Opposition and Liberal leader, Malcolm Turnbull, that the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, and/or the Treasurer, Wayne Swan, had acted improperly on behalf of a Queensland car dealer who was seeking financial assistance from a government agency called OzCar, and that they had misled Parliament. Central to this claim was evidence by Treasury official Godwin Grech before a Senate inquiry in June 2009 that a Prime Ministerial adviser had emailed him asking for preferential treatment for the dealer.

    On 4 June 2009, Turnbull alleged that Rudd’s office had contacted the Treasury in order to obtain preferential treatment for Grant.

  160. Siltstone

    H B Bear – I love it when Bucket Guts talks about character.
    am still chuckling about that one Bear!

  161. egg_

    Jupes and Dr Beaugan, eh?
    What an unholy alliance.
    Strange place.

  162. Top Ender

    Labor puts itself out of office:

    The Australian has obtained more than a dozen motions submitted by Labor Party branches to the annual conference on June 30 and July 1 at the Sydney Town Hall. Not one motion supports the party’s current policy in full.

    The motions show the party leadership is out of step with the views of members, who want a clear statement of support for the principles advocated by the Labor for Refugees internal lobby group and the restoration of “a fair and humane policy on refugees and people seeking asylum”.

    These motions show the party’s rank and file are uncomfortable with the suite of tough policies that provide for offshore detention and processing of refugees, and boat turnbacks that are designed to deny landfall to refugees seeking asylum as a deterrent to taking the hazardous journey in the first place.

    There is also concern over the “demonisation” of refugees by the government and their treatment in detention. Labor branches want a future Labor government to redouble efforts to establish a more effective regional framework for dealing with asylum seekers in partnership with the UN.

    A policy document prepared by Labor for Refugees has the support of many party branches.

    It calls for, among other things, a royal commission into “the abuses of men, women and children” in detention; the right for protection claims to be assessed in Australia and the abandonment of offshore detention; and a clear 12-month timetable for determining claims for protection with judicial appeal rights under Australian law.

  163. Shy Ted

    The Guernsey Literary And Potato Peel Pie Society
    It’s wonderful but not if you’re feeling a bit fragile. Very confronting at times.

  164. stackja

    Huanggutun incident
    From Wikipedia
    The Huanggutun Incident (Chinese: 皇姑屯事件; pinyin: Huánggū Tún Shìjiàn), or Zhang Zuolin Explosion Death Incident (Japanese: 張作霖爆殺事件 Hepburn: Chōsakurin bakusatsu jiken), was an assassination plotted and committed on June 4, 1928, by the Japanese Kwantung Army that targeted Fengtian warlord Zhang Zuolin. It took place at the Huanggutun Railway Station near Shenyang, where Zhang’s personal train was destroyed by a railside explosion. This incident was concealed in Japan at the time and was referred only as “A Certain Important Incident in Manchuria” (満州某重大事件 Manshu bou judai jiken).

  165. pete m

    Had a similar issue Jupes and then it solved itself.

    Suggest turning off cookies for the site then fresh reload via a google search result.

  166. zyconoclast

    Low Cognitive Ability Linked To Prejudice Against Same-Sex Couples, Australian Study Shows

    Previous research indicates that lower general intelligence in childhood predicts anti-homosexual prejudice in adulthood. For instance, a Brock University study titled “Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes,” published in Psychological Science, showed that lower intelligence predicts greater prejudice, predominantly through low inter-group contact and right-wing ideology.

  167. Siltstone

    Previous research indicates that lower general intelligence in childhood predicts anti-homosexual prejudice in adulthood.
    Are they saying muslim chldren are retarded?

  168. zyconoclast

    Are they saying muslim chldren are retarded?

    Only if the are “right-wing”

  169. Snoopy

    zyconoclast
    #2727537, posted on June 4, 2018 at 11:17 am
    Low Cognitive Ability Linked To Prejudice Against Same-Sex Couples, Australian Study Shows

    Previous research indicates that lower general intelligence in childhood predicts anti-homosexual prejudice in adulthood. For instance, a Brock University study titled “Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes,” published in Psychological Science, showed that lower intelligence predicts greater prejudice, predominantly through low inter-group contact and right-wing ideology.

    And some here have the temerity to argue that psychology is mostly garbage. But then morons would say that.

  170. OWG;

    I used to win bets that we had deer in Australia and particularly around Kyneton.

    Walking to work at Aramac on night duty, we had to carry a torch at night because the deer would just stand still and let you walk into them – I wouldn’t like one to give me a good kick in the guts. There were usually a dozen or so in the old campgrounds just down from the hospital.

  171. cohenite

    ABC pundits exposed by rejecting Gillard-AWU slush fund reports – Chris Mitchell

    Sometimes ABC hosts just can’t help but show their true colours. Like last Thursday week when Melbourne ABC radio personality Jon Faine and ABC TV Insiders host Barrie Cassidy discussed the decision of the West Australian Director of Public Prosecutions to drop charges against self-confessed fraudster Ralph Blewitt.

    There is no question Gillard should face prosecution, along with Wilson.

  172. jupes

    Had a similar issue Jupes and then it solved itself.

    Thanks pete.

  173. A truckload of goats will get you a tidy sum these days. The Europeans love ém old/tough/inedible.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There is no question Gillard should face prosecution, along with Wilson.

    Who’s the Western Australian (Liberal) senator supposed to have said “Gilliard won’t be charged – she’s an ex Prime Minister?”

  175. lotocoti

    predominantly through low inter-group contact and right-wing ideology.

    Evolution is homophobic too.

  176. stackja

    Homeowner speaks out after he shoots, kills two burglary suspects inside home
    By: Tony Atkins
    Updated: Jun 2, 2018 – 11:41 PM

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. – Memphis Police have identified two suspects that were killed during the apparent burglary of an East Memphis home.

    Azell Witherspoon, 28 and Demond Robinson, 17, were both killed during the alleged attempt. The shooter will not face charges, police told FOX13.

  177. Does anyone know how to set up a blog site as a news aggregator?
    I run across all kinds of stuff that my family find interesting, but I’m unhappy with using Facebook.

  178. Evolution is homophobic too.

    Not for long.

    Reproductive technologies allow you to choose the sex of the child.
    Has anybody demanded a child of QWERTY sex yet?

  179. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Azell Witherspoon, 28 and Demond Robinson, 17, were both killed during the alleged attempt. The shooter will not face charges, police told FOX13.

    I’ve heard of bringing a knife to a gunfight, but bringing a pistol to a gunfight, where the other participant has an assault rifle doesn’t seem to have been a smart move either.

  180. Snoopy

    Assist the diversion of funds from a public company to the AWURA, get rewarded with house renovations arranged by AWURA principal.

    Direct the diversion of funds from taxpayers to the Clinton Foundation, get rewarded with lucrative top job at Clinton Foundation affiliate arranged by Foundation principal.

  181. Gab

    Watched a couple of old movies recently. Since You Went Away (1944) where the graduating high school class actually sang the National Anthem andBells of St. Mary’s (1945) shows the primary school class children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. Hollywood wouldn’t allow such things in scripts these days.

  182. Infidel Tiger

    Azell Witherspoon, 28 and Demond Robinson, 17, were both killed during the alleged attempt. The shooter will not face charges, police told FOX13.

    He killed Witherspoon? No he used a gun.

    Boom boom.

  183. cohenite

    Assist the diversion of funds from a public company to the AWURA, get rewarded with house renovations arranged by AWURA principal.

    Direct the diversion of funds from taxpayers to the Clinton Foundation, get rewarded with lucrative top job at Clinton Foundation affiliate arranged by Foundation principal.

    A movie about slappers would rate; plenty of rooting too.

  184. Confused Old Misfit

    In short, America has a labor shortage. One property developer tells me he could build and sell more homes if he could find skilled roofers. A garden designer complained to me that she can’t find laborers. Trucking companies have rigs sitting idle for lack of drivers. City councils are offering bonuses to workers who relocate to their towns—persuade a friend to join you at your workplace and earn a bonus.

    Well! My word! We certainly would not want any of that sort of nonsense here! Fortunately we have Malcolm and Lucy to protect us from this sort of American excess!

  185. Leigh Lowe

    He killed Witherspoon? No he used a gun.

    Boom boom.

    From the genre of phonetic jokes …
    Went on holidays to the Caribbean with the wife.
    Jamaica?
    No, she wanted to go.

  186. Oh come on

    What’s the deal with Fat Cloive’s guerilla political campaign? There’s a billboard up in one of the busiest intersections in Perth. It contains a photo of Cloive giving a double thumbs-up next to large text reading “Make Australia Great”. Nothing else.

    The fat fucker really is doing his dough now. PUP is a spent force.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He killed Witherspoon? No he used a gun.

    Infidel Tiger, what part of the word “excruciating” do you have difficulty in understanding?

  188. Make Australia Great (Again?)

    Nope we haven’t been great. So that won’t work.

    How about MECCA ?

    Make Electricity Comfortably Cheap Again.

  189. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger, what part of the word “excruciating” do you have difficulty in understanding?

    Hand your Two Ronnies joke book in … Now!

  190. Viva

    I agree with much of what None has had to say about Barnaby and Vicki Gate. He is of the right, in a top leadership position and a big personality – so he copped it while people like Burke slipped under the radar.

    Much criticism has centred on Barnaby’s poor political management by Albrechtsen in particular. But clearly it was messy because the breakup was messy with Barnaby not knowing whether he was staying or going. If he were the type of man to coolly manage his way through all the drama he wouldn’t have allowed himself to fall in love and flounder about. He would have kept his wife, kept his career and kept a mistress on the side.

  191. Roger

    Make Electricity Comfortably Cheap Again.

    Alas, even such modest hopes are beyond our political class.

  192. stackja

    Police granted rare access to forensic evidence as part of recruitment course
    Charles Miranda, News Corp Australia Network
    June 3, 2018 10:00pm
    Subscriber only
    LINDY Chamberlain-Creighton has called on future forensic police to set aside preconceptions and “test and retest” their scientific assumptions so there can never be another Azaria case in Australia.

    Her call to Australian Federal Police forensic recruits came after she gave her blessing to their unprecedented access to rare forensic items from the case which made global headlines in August 1980 when a dingo snatched the two-month old Azaria during a family camping trip to Uluru, then known as Ayers Rock.

    ….

    NMA senior curator Dr Sophie Jenson told the recruits: “I asked Lindy if she had anything specific that she wanted me to say to you today, she asked me to emphasise to you that when you are faced with a new task, a new case, that you examine your preconceptions. That you test your assumptions and then test them again.”

    Dr Jenson has spoken to Ms Chamberlain-Creighton many times over the years but the AFP visit, by agents most of whom were not born when the case was making headlines, was a first and she was not sure how she would react to police access to these items again.

    Ms Chamberlain-Creighton told her she was “so pleased”.

    “In some ways your presence here today helped to confirm to her the value of all that she has done in terms of documenting her experiences, and most importantly — of making them, and her story, public property and an ongoing archive for us all,” she told the AFP recruits who are the first intake of the AFP’s specialist capabilities commitment under the Federal Government’s 2017/18 Budget.

  193. Geriatric mayfly

    The lid comes off a Guatemalan volcano. Presumably truck loads of CO2 being ejected. I am relying on the experts to give us a quick analysis as to whether this is a warming or cooling event. So far, they are a bit slow off the mark.

  194. Snoopy

    – so he copped it while people like Burke slipped under the radar.

    If Tony Burqa killed an orphan girl the Canberra prestitutes would give him a pass.

  195. Shy Ted

    Oregon Can’t Find Enough Workers Who Can Pass Drug Tests. Now that weed has been legal for a few years in Oregon, employers are having a hard time finding prospective employees who can pass a drug test. Combine that with the fact that the state recently lowered the offense levels if you’re caught with still-illegal drugs, such as meth, cocaine, or heroin, to small misdemeanor levels, and the “safe injection” sites that pop up around the city with free needle exchanges, sponsored by the county and funded with taxpayer dollars.
    Katherine Brown is an American politician who is the 38th and current Governor of Oregon. Brown, a Democrat and an attorney
    Ah, Democrats. Couldn’t happen in Oz of course.

  196. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2727530, posted on June 4, 2018 at 11:12 am
    Jupes and Dr Beaugan, eh?
    What an unholy alliance.
    Strange place.

    Quail in terror, Egg. 😁

    I’m back. On some browsers at least.

  197. The lid comes off a Guatemalan volcano. Presumably truck loads of CO2 being ejected.

    That would depend on whether it is good CO₂ or bad CO₂

    For example, large amounts of CO₂ produced by wind turbine manufacture is good CO₂

  198. egg_

    Viva
    #2727571, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    Methinks the serial Beetrooter liked the idea of a conquest, until he met his match.
    Karma.

  199. Roger

    Alas, even such modest hopes are beyond our political class.

    Incidentally, Ponygirl was recently in Japan assuring their government that QLD could continue to supply their expanding fleet of HELE coal fired power plants.

    Meanwhile, at home, her policy to subsidise renewables has rendered new coal plants unviable.

    Save the planet! (from idiot politicians).

  200. OldOzzie

    Immigration ‘an economic threat’ for most

    Infrastructure Summit Day 1: Michael McCormack, Anthony Albanese, Julieanne Alroe

    10:40 AM

    This morning’s first panel discussion moderated by Financial Review editor-in-chief Michael Stutchbury.

    JWS Research’s John Scales was asked about the simmering backlash to population growth and the company’s recent finding Australians are now more concerned infrastructure and population than terrorism and security.

    Mr Scales says voter concerns about immigration have more to do with economic factors than cultural factors.

    “For most people immigration is largely about an economic threat – it’s about jobs, a threat to the space we live in,” he says.

    He says the cost of living has a large role to play in people feeling that way.

    He says for 93 per cent of Australians who earn $100,000 or less, the cost of living is “going through the roof”, thanks to the rising energy prices, bad congestions and housing affordability issues.

    He says the current debate about infrastructure miss voters’ perspectives entirely.

  201. Chris

    Lizzie, your comment about Book Clubs is telling; I think about 50% of all novels that ‘go viral’ must be written for that market. Nice frocks, yesss. I have been taken by the advertising for The Bookshop (tough status competition between women, interesting old Bill Nighy character) and the Potato Peel Pie (cute and plucky journalist and did I mention cute? ), but plumped for Aurore instead.

    Film recommendations from the French Film Festival:
    Normandie Nu: Charming rural decline film, less serious than ‘Country’, what Lizzie said about cutout characters. Tree changer, crazy american and ancient feud substories.

    See You Up There: Fvckin A. Watch this! Struggles of ex-soldiers in French post-war life, satisfying in revenge, multiple relationship and heist subplots and shows the top and bottom of society chafing together when all are equalised in bereavement and death.

    Aurore: I thought this was going to be a tedious women thing when I chose it over the book clubby ones.
    No. At the end I was very glad I watched it. Women got it real. From losing her job for a hot flash when the boss is trying to drive her out for younger waitresses, to wrong turns in life and the children of those ‘wrong’ turns, to the stupidity of who we fall in love with, this was very good ‘women movie’.

    Also, des macarons from Maison Honore in the Swan Valley. Get ’em fresh at the source, and be amazed.

  202. egg_

    Quail in terror,

    WTF?
    Nice company you keep, champ.
    You’ve had the troll allegation raised repeatedly even by those you’ve met.
    I try to keep an open mind, but who knows what oddballs are on the Net?

  203. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Jupes. I don’t know why it’s working again. It isn’t on some of my browsers. Thanks Peter m too. I did a clean, which didn’t work.

  204. egg_

    The “conservative” was Turnbull.

    Wasn’t the rumour that Turnbull requested that he end the affair after he won the by election?

  205. Roger

    He says for 93 per cent of Australians who earn $100,000 or less, the cost of living is “going through the roof”, thanks to the rising energy prices, bad congestions and housing affordability issues.

    All problems created by politicians.

    No wonder the average voter is losing faith in the system.

  206. Steve trickler

    Air Afrikaans. Enjoy the flight.



  207. egg_

    Those who never stray from the open threads are just here to indulge in idle chit chat?

  208. beaug. DNS replication can take days.
    Depends on your location.

    Sounds like DNS.

  209. egg_

    IIRC that was an observation from CL & IT about ‘making a meaningful contribution’ to the Cat.

  210. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2727583, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:23 pm
    Quail in terror,

    WTF?
    Nice company you keep, champ.
    You’ve had the troll allegation raised repeatedly even by those you’ve met.
    I try to keep an open mind, but who knows what oddballs are on the Net?

    Yes, I do keep good company. Jupes is a good straight forward bloke. I’ve met Tintarella, Rabz, Jupes and custard. I don’t think any of them have called me a troll. All good people. I don’t know any other Çats.

    I disagree with some people about some things and agree about others. I usually focus on the disagreements because arguing is more interesting than having prejudices confirmed. If that makes me a troll in your book, it’s a rather basic book.

  211. egg_

    Jupes is a good straight forward bloke.

    A carping @rshole.

  212. nemkat

    Better question. Does Pauline act in the interests of QLD?

    Reading between the lines of the front page story in today’s The Australian, no.
    Brian Burston says W.A. Senator Peter Georgiou was the stumblingblock for One Nation support of Public Interest Test Laws being put before the Senate prior to the CFMEU / MUA merger on March 27.
    However, it looks more like Hanson is another Bob Katter, and she used the dopey Georgiou as her excuse to help out the CFMEU /MUA merger.

    Now, sooner or later, IMHO, we’ll be looking at a Wharf Strike, backed by the CFMMEUs Construction Division, while the Mining Division keeps working until the stand downs start.
    Things will then get interesting, thanks to Pauline Hanson.

  213. egg_

    arguing is more interesting

    I think Pippa mentioned waving an insubstantial willy in the air?

  214. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2727593, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:35 pm
    Jupes is a good straight forward bloke.

    A carping @rshole.

    Really? I don’t see it. Give me an example of it. Or maybe I’m as bad as he is.

  215. egg_

    I’ve met Tintarella, Rabz, Jupes and custard.

    One of whom said they couldn’t say whether you were a troll or not based on meeting you.

  216. Mark from Melbourne

    Does anyone know how to set up a blog site as a news aggregator?

    Vanilla WordPress should do the trick.

  217. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2727595, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:37 pm
    arguing is more interesting

    I think Pippa mentioned waving an insubstantial willy in the air?

    She doesn’t like being called Pippa. And she doesn’t have a willy to wave.

    At least I hope not.

  218. egg_

    Give me an example of it.

    Sounding troll-like already.
    Methinks Intarweb fora don’t suit the lecturing, authoritarian style of academics.

  219. H B Bear

    CFMEU purchased PHON a while back. Like the Greens, another bargain. Stop any legislation dead in its tracks for a few hundred thousand dollars.

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Air Afrikaans. Enjoy the flight.

    Ek vertel jou werklik, dit is nie ‘n graf nie……..

  221. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2727597, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:38 pm
    I’ve met Tintarella, Rabz, Jupes and custard.

    One of whom said they couldn’t say whether you were a troll or not based on meeting you.

    News to me. Not that I care a lot. Shouting ‘Troll!’ at people you disagree with seems pretty silly.

    Pippa thought that psychology contains hard science. It doesn’t. Her willy waving line was because she couldn’t win the argument. Mildly amusing, but a clear cop out.

  222. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    CFMEU purchased PHON a while back. Like the Greens, another bargain. Stop any legislation dead in its tracks for a few hundred thousand dollars.

    Along with Jacquie Lambie and Bob Katter.

  223. DrBeauGan

    egg_
    #2727600, posted on June 4, 2018 at 12:41 pm
    Give me an example of it.

    Sounding troll-like already.
    Methinks Intarweb fora don’t suit the lecturing, authoritarian style of academics.

    You’re the one who said Jupes was a carping @rsehole and now you say asking for evidence is trolling?

    You seem to think arguments are about abusing each other and expecting evidence and logic are authoritarian.

    Maybe you need more coffee.

  224. Percy Popinjay

    CFMEU

    That’s the CFMMEU, Bear. They’ve picked up a stray “M” somewhere.

    Here we go – a ten second Googlery search reveals it’s for “Maritime”. Makes sense given they’re little more than a bunch of pirates, me hearties.

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    THE NATION
    APY Lands just as dysfunctional as the Territory: Steven Marshall

    The Australian
    12:00AM June 4, 2018
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    SA Bureau Chief
    Adelaide

    Drugs and alcohol, domestic violence and child sexual abuse is as widespread in South Australia’s indigenous lands as it is in other remote parts of the country, Premier Steven Marshall says.

    The Liberal Premier — who has taken on the Aboriginal affairs portfolio and will return the agency to the Premier’s Department — said the Northern Territory was not alone in grappling with social issues affecting indigenous communities.

    The Territory and its trouble-plagued town of Tennant Creek have been under the national spotlight this year following sexual assaults against children, one as young as two.

    “There is widespread drug and alcohol abuse, domestic ­violence and child sexual abuse in many remote indigenous communities across Australia, and it would be foolish to think the same circumstances do not exist on South Australia’s Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjat­jara Lands,” Mr Marshall said.

    “The issue is, how do we ­address this in a joined-up government way rather than a piecemeal approach.

    “The previous (state) government and the federal government puts plenty of money into the APY Lands but the outcomes are not really improving across the board. There are some movements forward in some areas but overall it’s a shifting of the deckchairs, it’s not wholesale reform.

    “That’s why we want to work with the communities to develop a statewide strategic plan and implement it with the full support of the entire cabinet.”

    From the Oz. Seems the Croweaters have decided a treaty will solve nothing.

  226. OldOzzie

    Malaysia Tries Crowdfunding To Repay Soaring Public Debt

    last Wednesday the local finance ministry resorted to an unorthodox way of raising money to pay off their country’s debt: beginning online.

    Perhaps because they felt in a “historically” generous mood after the first change in government in over 60 years, Malaysians gave nearly $2 million in the 24 hours after authorities announced a fund would be set up to raise cash.

    Sadly, the amount raised was far too little to make even the tiniest dent on the country’s massive, multi-billion-dollar debt pile, which probably means that just like the 1MDB scandal, the money will be promptly pilfered by one or more corrupt government officials, never to be seen again; however, the fundraising process did spark a social media debate about whether other countries should follow.

    Even that, however, won’t do much in the grand scheme of things: the government said its current debt and liabilities stand at more than 1tr Malaysian ringgit ($251 billion), roughly 80% of GDP. Analysts also said the move was unlikely to have any impact: “It’s very unlikely given the scale of debt we are looking at in Malaysia,” said Krystal Tan, Asian economist at Capital Economics. “There is a very long way to go.”

  227. OldOzzie

    More Mueller madness

    These documents are must reading. Paul comments on one aspect of Dowd’s January 2018 letter here. I especially enjoyed the list of 16 topics about which Mueller seeks to sit the president down. I have quoted them below with the paragraphs immediately preceding and following:

    Putting the legal disputation to one side, I would simply like to note that the list of topics runs far afield from the subject of Trump-Russia campaign collusion that we are led to believe is the subject of Mueller’s investigation. Anyone can see that this is a living farce.

  228. Steve trickler

    How does pollination occur? Manual, or insect.

    Nebraska retiree uses earths’s heat to grow oranges in snow



  229. herodotus

    Nice short jab to the chin by a letter writer in The Australian today regarding ANU’s (and others) rejection of the Western Civilisation course of study.

    Is the university sector spurning the study of Western civilisation the same sector that enthusiastically welcomed Confucius Institutes subsidised by China’s one-party state?

    What explains this highly selective sense of independence? Could it be bad faith and self-loathing?

  230. Cats – we have enough enemies.

    ANU, JCU, ABC, BoM, ALP, LNP, Shortening, Trumble, Pallychook, Andrewsin (all good communists names end with “in”)

    With all that out there (and more) there is no need make enemies of your fellow cats.

  231. Philippa Martyr

    Pippa thought that psychology contains hard science. It doesn’t. Her willy waving line was because she couldn’t win the argument. Mildly amusing, but a clear cop out.

    LOLZ

    Good morning – did I hear my name mentioned in vain?

    I’ll just say this once, and then DrBeauGan can say as much as he likes, because he desperately needs to have the last word (cf. ‘willy waving’, above).

    For those of you who are still catching up: DrBeauGan thinks that only maths and physics are hard sciences. I don’t.

    To me, a thing is either a science, or it isn’t. If it uses the scientific method properly and completely, then it’s a science. If it doesn’t, then it’s not – it’s an art.

    Individuals who are carrying out research in psychology use the full range of research methods, including (sometimes) the scientific method. History, which I originally trained in, is not a science – it’s never been a science, because it doesn’t use the scientific method. That doesn’t mean it proceeds without evidence or scholarship or research – it just doesn’t use the scientific method of inquiry, because that’s not the right method for establishing historical fact. This doesn’t make it ‘bad’ or ‘weak’ or ‘useless’ as an academic discipline; it just makes it something that’s not a science.

    Unfortunately for DrBeauGan, there isn’t a solid, universally accepted, unarguable definition of either hard or soft science. Psychology – which is an enormous field – sits across both ideas of hard and soft sciences. Some of it’s positively blancmange; some of it’s rather more substantial. This is one of the things that makes me interested in it. Being a historian, I can see its development in more context, and it’s fascinating, because there’s no other discipline quite like it.

    It was also a relief to find that psychology is trying to create a replicable evidence base. And that this is a challenge, because it turns out a swag of it isn’t replicable, viz. that rather embarrassing Science investigation in 2015.

    All this means is that it’s got a long way to go, and that human beings are more complicated and less measurable in many ways that we might think. Given that I used to think like DrBeauGan about psychology – that it was a bunch of twatwaffle, propagated by people who weren’t smart enough to do maths or physics – I’m delighted to find myself proved wrong by actually studying it. Which is more than he’s ever done.

    (But why study something, when you can just mouth off about it behind a pseudonym, after a quick Google search?)

    I am certain DrBeauGan is a real person, because my chum Peter Castieau went to an AusCons function with him. As to his character and personality and troll status, I couldn’t say. Pseudonyms are wonderful things, and they certainly impart a huge amount of confidence. Sadly, there are people on the Cat who are complete loudmouths, right up until they get a chance to meet me in real life at some IPA or AusCons or Dawson Society do, at home or abroad – whereupon they slink to the outer edges of the function room and spend the entire time avoiding me. I don’t expect any less; there are lot of obnoxious and insecure men on the Cat, but that’s part of its (limited) charm. Thankfully some of the real life Cats I’ve met, like ubique and custard, have been lovely.

    And now, over to DrBeauGan, who can expostulate (and willy-wave) to his heart’s content, while I get back to the marking. Never let it be said that I stood in the way of a Catster having a good time.

  232. zyconoclast

    Jamie’s Italian Parramatta the latest casualty after restaurant chain’s collapse

    The Jamie Oliver Restaurant Group (Australia) Pty Ltd collapsed in April, less than a year after the celebrity chef made an appearance down under to relaunch the six restaurants operating under his name – and not long after it had been revealed his UK operation was floundering in debt.

    The Canberra restaurant closed immediately.

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