Feather duster

Eight years on top but as gone as any politician has ever been. But I have to say, his supporters are more insane than is truly believable. This is the moronic Maureen Down writing in the NYT more than a year into the Trump presidency: Obama – Just Too Good for Us. I looked everywhere for a trace of irony but none I could find. Try yourself, read through the whole article, but this really is what she believes:

We just weren’t ready for his amazing awesomeness.

Let us hope we can also add his kind shall not pass this way again. And then this as a keepsake.

Ben Rhodes on election night hearing that DJT is about to become PDT. How detached these people are from reality is possibly the strangest revelation this election has brought to light. But savour this while you can. In about a year I suspect you will be unable to find this video no matter how hard you look. On the other hand, it may become the most common parody video of all time, beating even Hitler’s Downfall. For example:

Alas eight years goes by really quickly, and four years even more quickly. With such people everywhere, you never know just how badly things can turn out.

AND LET ME NOW ADD THIS: I realise how hard it can sometimes be to believe that those on the left believe the things they do. Satire is impossible since they are more unintentionally satirical than anyone could make up about them. There is no irony on the left. So let me therefore bring your attention to this article by the great Roger Kimball: A Clueless “Final Year”. To be read through yourself, but this gets to the point:

The breathtaking presumption of virtue, the unshakeable confidence in one’s moral election, is patent throughout this documentary. It is also vividly on view in a New York Times story from a couple of days ago about Obama’s reaction to Donald Trump’s triumph in the 2016 election: How Trump’s Election Shook Obama: ‘What if We Were Wrong?’. The irony in the title is that no one involved in the story, not Obama, not Ben Rhodes, not the Times reporter seriously entertains the question “What if we were wrong?”

Yes, Obama wonders whether “we pushed too far.” “Maybe,” he says, “people [though not, of course, his people] just want to fall back into their tribe.” But there is no suggestion he might not think he is traveling in the vanguard of history. “Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” he said. If only the world were elevated a little higher towards my plane of enlightenment, then people like me would still be in power and all would be right with the world! Amazing.

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82 Responses to Feather duster

  1. Oh come on

    It isn’t really my thing to go into bat for the likes of Maureen Dowd, but I think you have misread her. It’s pretty clear she’s not being complimentary wrt Obama’s post election navel-gazing:

    As president, Obama always found us wanting. We were constantly disappointing him. He would tell us the right thing to do and then sigh and purse his lips when his instructions were not followed.

    Shortly after Donald Trump was elected, Rhodes writes in his new book, “The World as It Is,” Obama asked his aides, “What if we were wrong?”

    But in his next breath, the president made it clear that what he meant was: What if we were wrong in being so right? What if we were too good for these people?

    “Maybe we pushed too far,” the president continued. “Maybe people just want to fall back into their tribe.”

    So really, he’s not acknowledging any flaws but simply wondering if we were even more benighted than he thought. He’s saying that, sadly, we were not enlightened enough for the momentous changes wrought by the smartest people in the world — or even evolved enough for the first African-American president.

    “Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” Obama mused to aides.

    We just weren’t ready for his amazing awesomeness.

  2. Steve,
    I think you will find from her blue bird feed. There may well be some satire involved.

  3. None

    Are Maureen the Sexual Revolution must win Dowd. I didn’t know she was still alive.

  4. pbw

    Oh come on,

    Yes and no. Maureen Dowd can’t get a way from the fact that something has gone wrong. It’s hard to ignore the impact Trump is having, in spite of the ceaselessly re-iterated story that the Russians stole the election from Clinton. She knows Obama stuffed it up, but she can’t quite work out how.

    It is stunning to me,…that he does not understand his own historic rise to power, how he defied impossible odds and gracefully leapt over obstacles…by sparking hope in many Americans … that he was going to give people a better future, something honest and cool and modern.

    Modern!

    But by the end … he had lost the narrative about lifting up people, about buoying them on economic issues and soothing their jitters about globalization. They needed to know, what’s in it for them?

    Even though he could make magic … Obama did not like persuading people to do what they didn’t want to do… He wanted them simply to do what he had ascertained to be right.

    What exactly is she telling herself here? He needed to tell the voters what was in it for them, but couldn’t persuade them to do want they didn’t want to do (presumably because there wasn’t anything in it for them.)

    He threw his weight behind the most status quo, elitist candidate.

    Possibly, Maureen, that was because he was the status quo, elitist president. Could be. Maybe that’s why his graceful leaping and his magic making just couldn’t do it. Maybe the voters saw him for what he was, and saw the status quo for what it was, the way they saw Clinton for what she was. Squeeze the eyes, clench the teeth, make one more effort, and maybe you will see that too, Maureen. Or maybe you already have.

  5. OneWorldGovernment

    “We don’t want to be part of that history”

  6. Oh come on

    Pbw, no it’s yes. I didn’t say that Dowd isn’t a luvvie and didn’t trot out all the standard stuff you’d expect from a jaded Obama acolyte. I was responding to this:

    I looked everywhere for a trace of irony but none I could find. Try yourself, read through the whole article,

    I suspect Steve didn’t read the article that closely – that’s all I’m saying.

  7. iain russell

    With you OCO. I read the article and its total ‘over the top’ nature gives the game away. MoDo is a luvvies’ luvvy but she does have a sharp eye for confolk – she has waged a war against the Clinton Avarice Cartel for years.

  8. Tom

    Ben Rhodes’s election night distress is perfect expression of the bubble of hyper-idealised mental illness that all leftist activists live in permanently. It is frightening that we ever gave political power to such delinquent children.

    The communist fantasy world that Obama tried to impose on America is a textbook example of how to corrupt the political process with the connivance of mass media journalists who betrayed their pledge to serve the public interest. They know what they did was evil.

    As for leftism, this sums it up perfectly.

  9. Biota

    Tom, from my experience the left believe that they are being logical.

  10. Cassie of Sydney

    This is how to deal with adolescent leftist activist scum who think that anyone who disagrees with their world view is a raaaacist, a hoooomophobe, an islaaaamoophobe. Being the luddite that I am, I am not sure how to link to a video. Please watch Ezra Levant’s take down of Buzzfeed.
    “Ezra Levant MOCKS BuzzFeed reporter at The Rebel Live 2018!” — Ezra Levant of TheRebel.media “welcomes” reporters who showed up at TheRebelL…
    https://youtu.be/wHWCuZLwFiE

    You don’t use a feather duster to sweep, you use a broom. We need more of this.

  11. Zaan

    Cassie, what a fabulous takedown.
    Well done Ezra

  12. calli

    “Do not mistake cutting out a man’s tongue for changing his mind”

    – Liberty Quote

  13. Frank

    Cassie;

    Agreed with Zaan, that was good. Pity there is no footage of the Buzzfeed reporter in the audience while it is happening.

  14. Cassie of Sydney

    I think that the time to turn the other cheek is over….as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh said “you can turn the other cheek but make sure when you do that you take two cheeks with you”.

  15. Tel

    We just weren’t ready for his amazing awesomeness.

    Never let it be forgotten that the other choice was John “Bomb Iran” McCain, who would have been the most awful President ever. Often in life we much make the most of bad options, Obama at least pretended to be an anti-war candidate, and perhaps might have made some small steps in that direction.

  16. Tim Neilson

    Tel
    #2727442, posted on June 4, 2018 at 8:43 am

    I’ve read people say that they looked at Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin, voted for McCain/Palin and prayed for McCain to win and have a fatal stroke the day after Inauguration Day.

  17. ACTOldFart

    Dowd’s words are either irony laid on with a trowel, or the worst example of slave morality you could find anywhere. I hope, for the sake of her mental health, it’s the former.

  18. Iampeter

    Your dislike of Obama and his administration makes no sense given your support of Trump and his admin which is very similar if less competent.
    Obama passed trillion dollar infrastructure bill, cost private enterprise billions with green energy and had no foreign policy.
    Trump aslo has passed trillion dollar infrastructure bill, has cost private enterprise billions with blocking mergers and tariffs and has no foreign policy.
    And Trump’s only been in office for one year! Four years or even eight and this administration might make Obama look like a Founding Father in comparison.

    No, the only reason you support Trump is because he is a nationalist collectivist as opposed to a multi-cultural collectivist like Obama. But you’re still supporting collectivism. You’re still supporting leftism.

  19. Tim Neilson

    Iampeter
    #2727494, posted on June 4, 2018 at 9:58 am

    There’s nothing disastrous about a government spending $1 trillion on infrastructure if they get $1 trillion worth of infrastructure in return for the expenditure.

    The disaster with Obama was that he spent $1 trillion and got next to nothing to show for it. [E.g. Solyndra, Light Squared etc.]

    Blocking mergers can in fact make sense, if the merger is a lazy way to achieve an oligopoly. And Trump has made it crystal clear that he’s open to negotiating away his tariffs in return for an end to the drop your strides and take it up the tradesmens’ entrance trade “deals” that Obama signed up to. Maybe some of his particular decisions on mergers or tariffs could be criticised, but I haven’t seen any evidence as to why they should be.

    Trump “has no foreign policy”? I suppose that the USA just blundered its way out of the Paris agreement and into talks for denuclearising NK. If so, then the whole world should scrap “foreign policy”.

    And don’t bother replying “but, but, but, Trump has departed from the ideological purity of psychotically fanatical libertarianism”. Yes he has, but the Americans who are getting jobs and wage rises don’t care.

  20. Dr Fred Lenin

    Hey obama ! If you and your cohorts are upset about the peoples refusal to follow your dogma ,just imagine how Jesus and his Dad feel! People have been taking no notice of their dogma for generations .
    Must be upsetting to be super intelligent and no bugger takes any notice of you ,get over it boy!

  21. Iampeter

    There’s nothing disastrous about a government spending $1 trillion on infrastructure if they get $1 trillion worth of infrastructure in return for the expenditure.

    So there’s nothing disastrous about someone robbing you at gunpoint as long as they get a “return” on their expenditure? I mean you must think that if you think there’s nothing disastrous about doing that on the scale of nation states and to the tune of trillions.

    Blocking mergers can in fact make sense, if the merger is a lazy way to achieve an oligopoly.

    Private enterprise can not achieve “oligopoly” via merger or any other means. Just like they can’t censor you either btw. Only state interfence like say, determining who can or can’t merge, can lead to oligopolies.

    Trump “has no foreign policy”? I suppose that the USA just blundered its way out of the Paris agreement and into talks for denuclearising NK.

    Talks with North Korea may yet be an even bigger foreign policy blunder than bribing islamic warlords for the delusion of success so Bush could have a “legacy”. It may even be on the level of Chamberlain achieving “peace” with Hitler. Things can only go bad when you are dancing to the tune of the worlds most insane dictators because you have no idea what you’re doing in office.

    And don’t bother replying “but, but, but, Trump has departed from the ideological purity of psychotically fanatical libertarianism”.

    Well I’m not a libertarian anymore than I’m a conservative, but more importantly, I actually understand just even the basics of politics which you do not. Neither does Steve K or anyone else who thinks Trump is an alternative to Obama.
    You don’t even have a working theory of government which is why you think infrastructure bills and blocking mergers are perfectly fine.

    Those us who actually know what we are talking about and are an actual alternative to the Trumps, Obamas and other leftists of this world, believe the function of government is to protect rights. It means maintain the courts, the police and the armed forces.
    If I was to label that I would call it “classic liberal” or simple “capitalist”.

  22. Shy Ted

    So is/was he more or less awesome than Trumble? My electrickery bill just came in and I’d say Trumble is a lot less awesome.

  23. Tim Neilson

    So there’s nothing disastrous about someone robbing you at gunpoint as long as they get a “return” on their expenditure? I mean you must think that if you think there’s nothing disastrous about doing that on the scale of nation states and to the tune of trillions.

    Have you ever driven on a public road?

    Private enterprise can not achieve “oligopoly” via merger or any other means.

    This is correct! John D Rockefeller and Standard Oil were altruistic public benefactors! So are Zuckerberg et hoc generis today!

    Talks with North Korea may yet be an even bigger foreign policy blunder…

    Whereas letting Fat Boy Kim proceed to getting full scale nuclear weapons and long range missiles (cf Obama) would be the wise, far sighted option. If you think that talks shouldn’t be held, what should be done instead? And I note you didn’t address the Paris agreement.

    You don’t even have a working theory of government which is why you think infrastructure bills and blocking mergers are perfectly fine.

    I’m actually far more interested in a working reality. Which Trump is giving us. And I don’t think that all infrastructure bills, or all blocking of mergers, are fine. Why lock yourself into an ideological absolutist straitjacket when you can actually just look at each individual case and make a decision on that specific case based on reality?

  24. mh

    The stronger the US economy becomes, the angrier Iampeter gets.

    Popcorn!

  25. Habib

    BTW it’s “Dowd”, although “Downs” would be more apt as she’s clearly a mong. And a minger. Modo’s been in hysterical menopause since infancy it seems, batshit crazy even by leftist sheila standards. The Tim Blair crew used to regularly pile on her. the only attention she ever got.

    She’s not alone in her fantasy of adequacy for Bambi though, there’s plenty of others who admire his simpleton incompetence, indifference, failure and golf addiction. To me his sole achievement in eight long, wasted years was to move Jimmeh Cahtah a peg up the ladder in the worst POTUS ever list. Garfield did a better job than either and he was croaked before he had a year in office.

  26. mh

    Why lock yourself into an ideological absolutist straitjacket when you can actually just look at each individual case and make a decision on that specific case based on reality?

    Reality and Iampeter – never the twain!

    Iampeter and straitjackets, now that’s different.

  27. Dr Fred Lenin

    Can you imagine the state of the world today if the incompetent hilarity had won . Her topadvisor would have been the failed obama and his useless crooked mates . The Norks Iranis and Venezuelans would be much worse than they are now. China would continue buying and subverting the USA ,aided by the corrupt left ,the EU Canada Nd Mexico would be ripping the uSA off at a great rate ,US industry would slide into oblivion ,masses of unemployed decromat voters bitterly disappointed . Frequent power cuts as soros and the carpetbaggers looted the USA for “ruinables “. No armed forces the money saved spent on welfare for open borders invaders . Be great wouldn’t it ? The u.n.communusts would be wetting their pants in excitement ,just waiting to take over with their communist fascist dictatorship led by Kev from Queensland .That scenario is not a far fetched as it sounds ,ultra possible if the useless article had been elected .

  28. Iampeter

    Have you ever driven on a public road?

    Yes. If you’re going to suggest that makes me a hypocrite or something you will be mistaken. You can’t force somebody into paying for roads and then deny them the use of them. That would make you the hypocrite.

    This is correct! John D Rockefeller and Standard Oil were altruistic public benefactors! So are Zuckerberg et hoc generis today!

    Yes, these people are heroes. They are heroes precisely because they are not altruistic.

    Whereas letting Fat Boy Kim proceed to getting full scale nuclear weapons and long range missiles (cf Obama) would be the wise, far sighted option.

    Just like Trump is not an alternative to Obama so appeasement is not an alternative to doing nothing with Korea. It’s nothing but false alternatives with you. Korea will be stopped the same way all rights-violating regimes are stopped and that is with force or threats thereof.

    I’m actually far more interested in a working reality.

    No you’re not. Reality is exactly what you are fighting against acknowledging as hard as you can. That’s why so many posters here will just respond with ad hominems instead of arguments. To shut down any glimpse of reality.
    One of the appeals of someone like Trump to people like you is that he is a “strong man” type of character. Bereft of any ideology all you guys have are appeals to authority/tradition/religion/etc and so you desperately need Dear Leader to just “get things done”. Hence the slogan “Make America Great Again”. What does “great” mean? How are you going to get it done? Somehow! Stop asking questions! Stop being theoretical and absolutist! Reality will conform to our whims and emotions – it has to!

    No, I’m sorry it doesn’t and it won’t. So it’s Steve K, yourself and many other Trump cultists that are no different to Obama cultists but much more confused, who need to start getting with reality.

  29. DrBeauGan

    I’ve never seen the evidence for Obummer being particularly bright. He has the gift of the gab but is as shallow as a journalist. Trump’s brains are far more obvious.

  30. Habib

    Doesn’t even have the gift of the gab- ever see him when the teleprompter shits itself? He was just the right hue for all the guilt-addled “progressive” twats to fall in lurve with, it didn’t make an iota of difference what he said or did. Or more to the point didn’t.

  31. Tim Neilson

    Yes. If you’re going to suggest that makes me a hypocrite or something you will be mistaken.

    No, I’m suggesting that it ought to have taught you that, as I said, not all public infrastructure expenditure is a disaster. That’s all.

    Yes, these people are heroes.

    FMD.

    Korea will be stopped the same way all rights-violating regimes are stopped and that is with force or threats thereof.

    Hmm, maybe by sending aircraft carrier groups to Korea, one after the other, till Fat Boy blinks? Why didn’t Trump think of that? Oh, wait…

    Reality will conform to our whims and emotions – it has to!

    No, I’m sorry it doesn’t and it won’t.

    That’s right! The US economy WON’T improve, because reality MUST be inimical to what Trump is doing, and … oh, wait…

    Seriously, think about it. You’re someone who drives on public roads but excoriates someone for saying that not all public infrastructure spending is wasted, and then accuses that other person of fighting against reality.

  32. Those who still sniff the filthy arse of the Mulatto Kenyan are virtue signalling self absorbed fvckwits.

    By the time The Great Donald is finished, The Kenyan will be an error entry in history.

    By the way, did anyone here know that John Brennan, The Kenyans CIA Director, had accessed the Passport records of ALL the candidates in 2008 prior to the election, then was promoted by The Kenyan?
    That was one corrupt anti-American anti-West administration. If the Very Stable Genius PDJT ends up doing nothing except keeping the Clintons out of office, he will be seen as the saviour of America.

  33. nemkat

    I think that the time to turn the other cheek is over….as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh said “you can turn the other cheek but make sure when you do that you take two cheeks with you”.

    The old Bagwash, you say, Cassie?
    Wasn’t he the Leader of the Orange People?

  34. Petros

    Let’s not forget the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Obama only ten months into his presidency. How is Libya doing these days?

  35. OneWorldGovernment

    The unfortunate aspect of all the American UniParty deceit is that the USA will eventually remove itself from the greater world, which is what the EU communists want, and have to take over everything South of them to the border of the South American continent proper.

    Killing the arzeholes through Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama as they sweep through.

    Not excluding Cuba nor increasingly looking like they may have to pull Canada, Australia and England into gear.

  36. Dr Fred Lenin

    Obama was a typical activite shit stirrer full of parrot like dogma phrases ,put him in front of a microphone without a TelePrompTer and he was a stumbling uninformed str=uttering nervous wreck.mind you that’s uncommon an]monastery leftoids they can usually talk the legs off an iron pot ,with their bullshit . Even giliard could talk better than him ,though she was incoherent ,typical slugs and grubs slag .

  37. Tom

    I’ve never seen the evidence for Obummer being particularly bright. He has the gift of the gab but is as shallow as a journalist. Trump’s brains are far more obvious.

    One of the true pleasures of the Trump presidency is knowing he runs rings around his opponents intellectually — when clowns like Jim Acosta from CNN are assuring their zombie audience how stupid he is; and that as a result he is toying with his enemies intellectually and consciously plans his Trump Derangement traps to make them look stupid because they are too dumb to see they are rabbits in his headlights. Every self-beclownment is exquisite!

  38. Iampeter

    No, I’m suggesting that it ought to have taught you that, as I said, not all public infrastructure expenditure is a disaster. That’s all.

    Rights and like I said, your (and other Trump supporters) agreement on the role of government on things like this and mergers, etc with Obama and Hillary (and even Bernie) makes your opposition to them nonsensical. Trump, Obama, et al, are all the same.

    FMD.

    One of my biggest narratives here is that conservatives are really no different to progressives and the almost caricature, leftist “robber baron” argument you’re putting forward just reinforces my position. Again, since you seem to hate those evil businessmen why are you opposed to Obama? Or Bernie?
    You agree with them on more than you disagree.

    Hmm, maybe by sending aircraft carrier groups to Korea, one after the other, till Fat Boy blinks? Why didn’t Trump think of that? Oh, wait…

    That’s called an empty threat.

    You’re someone who drives on public roads but excoriates someone for saying that not all public infrastructure spending is wasted, and then accuses that other person of fighting against reality.

    No. You don’t even remotely understand the actual issue.
    The issue isn’t what a thief does with the money he has stolen the issue is the stealing.

  39. Oh come on

    If a government is going to deficit-spend, there are better ways to run up debt and worse ways. Handing out cash willy-nilly is a bad way. Using debt to pay for unaffordable and unsustainable entitlement programs is the worst way. Strategic infrastructure and/or defence spending (ie. NOT stimulus spending on ‘shovel ready’ hole digging and refilling programs) is a better way. Tax cuts are the best.

  40. Roger W

    “Let’s not forget the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Obama only ten months into his presidency. How is Libya doing these days?”
    Petros, actually announced only days after he was sworn in as President, which made it even more of a joke.

  41. Oh come on

    Tax cuts are great all the way around, even if these cause a revenue shortfall. Particularly so if company taxes and income taxes for high income earners are first in line for cuts. Unfortunately, class warfare bullshit in Australia makes this a non-starter.

    It’s the unsustainable entitlement spending that will bankrupt us in the longer term, not ‘tax cuts for the big end of town/fatcats etc’.

  42. Dr Fred Lenin

    Habib is correct, Obama was chosen by the left and their u.n.communist masters because he was half black ,that would make the decromat racists look less racist and they could accuse the republicans of racism,and tie up the black and sjw vote . It was therefore logical after him to install a woman ,not a clever able woman just a maleable one ,a crooked theiving one they had the goods on ,that’s how the commos work ,standard procedure . It would also make the misogynist decromats like Weinstein and Cosby look better that was the theory , didnt work though , did it ?

  43. Tim Neilson

    Rights and like I said, your (and other Trump supporters) agreement on the role of government on things like this and mergers, etc with Obama and Hillary (and even Bernie) makes your opposition to them nonsensical. Trump, Obama, et al, are all the same.

    So any government which spends taxpayers’ money on public roads is the same as Obama’s government?
    Note how this started. You said: Your dislike of Obama and his administration makes no sense given your support of Trump and his admin which is very similar if less competent. ….And Trump’s only been in office for one year! Four years or even eight and this administration might make Obama look like a Founding Father in comparison.
    I then said that Obama’s spending for zero return was a disaster, whereas if (and I mean if) Trump spends it on things that have value, that’s less bad.
    You deny that and insist that it’s just as bad to build public roads as it is to burn $1 trillion of taxpayers’ money for nothing. [Well, not totally for nothing. Obama’s cash bundling cronies did well out of Solyndra.]
    And then you accuse me of fighting against reality.

    the almost caricature, leftist “robber baron” argument you’re putting forward just reinforces my position.

    Does it? Do you think that Standard Oil should have been allowed to use predatory pricing to destroy any competitor so as to retain the oligopoly? That’s what they were doing. You can argue that if you wish, but even if you were right your psychotic Manichaean binary world view would still be insane. Saying that breaking up Standard Oil was a not unreasonable government action (which is all that I said, along with expressing surprise that Rockefeller and Zuckerberg are “heroes”) is not in any way perpetrating a “robber baron” caricature.

    That’s called an empty threat.

    Then why did Fat Boy Kim blink? Remind me again, who’s fighting against reality?

    No. You don’t even remotely understand the actual issue.
    The issue isn’t what a thief does with the money he has stolen the issue is the stealing.

    Once again, for the reality challenged. Building public roads is less bad than burning $1 trillion of taxpayers’ money for nothing. If you want to argue for a society with no public roads whatsoever, feel free to do so, but that’s a totally different issue to your original statement that Trump’s administration is less competent than Obama’s.

  44. Dr Fred Lenin

    Tim , ask how any leftist government be better than Trump? Left governments are run by aparatchiks who have never done a usefull thing in their lives ,witness here in Australia the krudster,the theiving redhead and now turnbull whose career is a trail of failures . The useless are attracted to the left ,in the hope they might get an easy life and wealth without effort .

  45. Iampeter

    So any government which spends taxpayers’ money on public roads is the same as Obama’s government?

    You’re misunderstanding because you’re stuck in the concretes. I’m not saying you agree on the technical specifics of what Obama might do with a rights violating and collectivist government, I’m saying you agree that a government is a collectivist and rights violating instrument.
    You just don’t realize this because you have no overall theory of government which is why you flit from specific example to specific example instead of talking about what a government should or should not do and why in general. You don’t have a clear position on that and you avoid it because if you faced it you’d realize you’re a socialist.
    It’s why you can’t see that supporting Trump is no different to supporting Obama or Bernie or Hillary. Evading reality.

    Does it? Do you think that Standard Oil should have been allowed to use predatory pricing to destroy any competitor so as to retain the oligopoly?

    Asked no “right winger” ever.

    Then why did Fat Boy Kim blink? Remind me again, who’s fighting against reality?

    An American President and administration incompetent enough to agree to a meeting with the NK Dictator is not an example of Kim blinking. So yea, you are as far removed from the reality of this situation as you are from politics in general it seems.

    My point originally was pointing out the Trump and Obama aren’t all that different on the essentials and neither are their supporters, so Steve’s and many posters “grrrrr marxists, UNKKK, leftists, rabble, rabble” posts make no sense. You guys are the left. You’re literally arguing about “allowing predatory prices” in classic leftist fashion.

    So yes, in summary, the only difference between you and a socialist or marxist or communist is that they know they are leftists and you don’t. This is what I mean when I say you are the one who is totally removed from reality.

  46. egg_

    Let’s not forget the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Obama only ten months into his presidency.

    It really does make him sound like a cardboard cutout.

  47. egg_

    By the time The Great Donald is finished, The Kenyan will be an error entry in history.

    A consequence of all spin, no substance.

  48. Confused Old Misfit

    This is what I mean when I say you are the one who is totally removed from reality.

    .
    He’s not that at all. He’s simply refusing to stay in the box in which you want him to stay.

  49. Iampeter

    He’s not that at all. He’s simply refusing to stay in the box in which you want him to stay.

    I’ve explained exactly why he is a leftist and he’s provided the supporting posts. Someone who agrees that a function of government is to engage infrastructure projects, pick and choose mergers, prevent “predatory pricing” etc, is a leftist.

    That’s not me putting him in a box, that’s reality.

    You guys agree with the left on all the essentials but then don’t want to acknowledge that you are leftists.

    Like I said: you’re evading reality.

  50. Tim Neilson

    which is why you flit from specific example to specific example

    Reality consists of “specific examples”. A road either gets built or it doesn’t. Some roads are useful. So, yes, I don’t see it as intrinsically evil that a government builds roads.
    A specific decision to build a specific road may be stupid, it may be corrupt, or there may be other reasons why it is a bad decision. But that doesn’t mean we should lie down in front of the bulldozers to prevent any and every public work. The actual exercise of liberties in a real sense by actual real people is made easier by the existence of things like roads that enable them to exercise their liberty of free movement more effectively than if they had to slog through the mud pushing a handcart. If people were left to wallow in their own faeces they wouldn’t be saying “well at least I haven’t been subjected to the totalitarian oppression of a public sewerage system”.

    Asked no “right winger” ever.

    What’s wrong with asking a question? I don’t see why certain questions should be ruled taboo because of a label attached to the questioner.

    An American President and administration incompetent enough to agree to a meeting with the NK Dictator is not an example of Kim blinking.

    So what would you do instead? Fat Boy has gone from threatening to go to full nuclear capacity and obliterate the USA to asking for talks and saying NK doesn’t necessarily need nukes. If you don’t see that as progress, how would you handle the situation?
    And you still haven’t commented on the Paris agreement, and how that fits in with your assertion that Trump is less competent than Obama.

  51. cohenite

    Well I’m not a libertarian anymore than I’m a conservative

    No, you’re a troll and I don’t understand why a superior troll like you is not on the open threads instead of wasting your skill in these back-water threads.

    Trump is simply addressing problems which obuma and the swamp swam in and profited to the expense of the rest of the US which made the US weak and a laughing stock among the commies, muzzies and eurotrash; and the world which needs a strong US. Trump has tackled AGW, renewables, islam, the ME, Israel, China trade frauds, Russia’s ME meddling, the corruption of the judiciary, msm and hopefully academia and education. The US has profited.

    Keep up the trolling, you’re streets ahead of monty, rae and the rest of them; that’s not a compliment though cause they’re fuckwits.

  52. Paul

    I always wanted to know why Hussain got the Nobel Peace Prize.
    It’s his awesomeness in their feeble minds.

  53. Iampeter

    Reality consists of “specific examples”.

    Yes but your examples are detached from reality. You keep discussing random political positions disjoined from any overall theory of government.

    So, yes, I don’t see it as intrinsically evil that a government builds roads.

    Neither does Obama or Hillary or Bernie or any other leftist. That’s my point. Also avoiding the fact that overall you’re a leftist is why you’re sticking to random disjointed examples.

    What’s wrong with asking a question? I don’t see why certain questions should be ruled taboo because of a label attached to the questioner.

    I said a “right winger” would never ask a question like that. A leftist like you certainly would, which was my point. You’re a leftist.

    So what would you do instead?

    Advise them that the next attempt at a nuclear missile test launch/detonation will be treated as an act of war and NK will face the full force of the US military.

    And you still haven’t commented on the Paris agreement, and how that fits in with your assertion that Trump is less competent than Obama.

    Why would I? It’s not like he’s announced the dismantling of the EPA or any real deregulation. Overall Trump has already done as much as Obama’s two terms in only one year in terms of growing the state. Focussing on trivialities like this is just another example of desperately evading reality.

    Also as someone who believes the state should prevent evil monopolies from engaging in “predatory pricing” why are you even against environmental regulations?

    So your position is the government should regulate private enterprise but also that it should not regulate private enterprise.

    You’re totally confused and self contradictory.

    So like I said, you’re not really interested in a “working reality” at all.

  54. Tel

    Why would I? It’s not like he’s announced the dismantling of the EPA or any real deregulation.

    Like this you mean?

    Meet Trump’s Pick To Dismantle EPA

    If you are wondering how Trump will dismantle EPA regulations and staff, meet Myron Ebell, the man Trump has picked to lead his EPA transition team. Ebell is Director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the industry-funded Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI). Ebell’s official bio is here. DeSmogBlog, which tracks PR experts who are funded by polluters, has an alternative rundown here.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-symons/meet-trumps-pick-to-disma_b_12832350.html

    I know, I know… specific example, devoid of any context, therefor meaningless. HuffPo isn’t anywhere near as edgy as it once was, just thought I would mention it anyway.

  55. Confused Old Misfit

    The egotism is beyond belief.

  56. Habib;

    Doesn’t even have the gift of the gab- ever see him when the teleprompter shits itself? He was just the right hue for all the guilt-addled “progressive” twats to fall in lurve with, it didn’t make an iota of difference what he said or did. Or more to the point didn’t.

    Obama reminded me of the blokes who bought a new motorcycle and rode past this particular set of shops which had very large reflective windows, several times a day just to get a look at themselves going by. When Obamas teleprompter shit itself, it was the same scenario – “umm. what was I doing?”
    Whack! as reality in the guise of a little old lady in a white 67 Valiant T bones him.

  57. OneWorldGovernment

    this looks like the bloke that shot seth rich

  58. Tim Neilson

    Poor old Iampeter.

    I mention the fact that governments build roads, and he says that that’s “detached from reality”.

    Attention all Cats. If you think you see a road being built, go to a mental health specialist, because Iampeter has declared that to be delusional.

    BTW he also advises us how to solve the NK situation “Advise them that the next attempt at a nuclear missile test launch/detonation will be treated as an act of war and NK will face the full force of the US military.”

    Good hard practical common sense there.

  59. Iampeter

    I mention the fact that governments build roads, and he says that that’s “detached from reality”

    No, that’s not what happened.
    I gave you proper reasons for why Trump and his major policies are no different to that of Obama and that supporting Trump makes opposition to Obama nonsensical.

    You then tried to turn this into a debate about road funding without even being able to state what you think the role of government is, because you need to avoid the fact of what I said.

    Then you projected your evasion of reality onto me, in between making classic leftist arguments further supporting my position that Trump and Obama supporters are pretty similar.

    But as we’ve established, reality isn’t really your thing.

  60. Iampeter

    I know, I know… specific example, devoid of any context, therefor meaningless.

    Well…yes. I wish you were trolling.

    I can’t think of a better example of avoiding reality than posting an article from a leftist who is scare mongering about a Trump appointee, dated to 2016, when we are living in 2018 and the EPA is still there an going strong.

    Thanks for proving my point Tel.

    Ah the Cat…if only we could harness the stupidity here we would have an endless and free energy supply.

  61. Tel

    I mention the fact that governments build roads, and he says that that’s “detached from reality”.

    Attention all Cats. If you think you see a road being built, go to a mental health specialist, because Iampeter has declared that to be delusional.

    I watched the NSW government building the road up into the mountains West of Penrith through Katomba, and they were working on that when I still had [P] plates (longer ago than I care to count precisely) and my first car.

    Oh wait! They are still building this, I think the project of adding an extra lane is now perhaps 3/4 completed and it remains a haphazard assortment of 60 zones, 80 zones (great for revenue raising) unfinished patches, arbitrary 40 zones where three or four guys much around with shovels for a day and move along.

    Now the ancient right of way that says I am entitled to travel as a free man in the land of my birth was not given by government, it’s one of the oldest rights humans have ever had. Governments do not great the road, they merely put a convenient skin over the top to make it easier to use (although in the case of the road mentioned above, the “convenient” part is highly questionable).

    At any rate, during the time the NSW government guys have been working on their long term retirement project, private contractors have built the M5, the M4, the M7, and they also built that annoying tunnel thing under the city that no one uses (if you don’t mind the occasional block of flats falling through the roof). Also I think the M2 was heavily extended… all built on the profit motive based on toll collection. All done quickly, professionally, and for the most part very nice to drive on.

    Oh yeah, and we paid the Japanese contractors to put a new tunnel under the harbour, also out of toll money.

    So if I had the choice of government keeping right away from any road building, definitely I would choose that. Those guys are bad at it, and much better private options exist. Put that in the Constitution by all means: no tax money to be spent on roads.

  62. Tel

    I can’t think of a better example of avoiding reality than posting an article from a leftist who is scare mongering about a Trump appointee, dated to 2016, when we are living in 2018 and the EPA is still there an going strong.

    Not quite as strong as it used to be.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/hundreds-epa-employees-quit-trump/

    “According to agency documents and federal employment statistics, 770 EPA employees departed the agency between April and December, leaving employment levels close to Reagan-era levels of staffing,” ThinkProgress said. “According to the EPA’s contingency shutdown plan for December, the agency currently has 14,449 employees on board—a marked change from the April contingency plan, which showed a staff of 15,219.”

    After months of crying at their desks over Trump’s election victory, bureaucrats are now “quitting in disgust.”

    This type of thing might fall into the “not an argument” category, although saying “not an argument” is not an argument either, but as least most people can recognize a genuine effort to communicate when they see one, and this ain’t it.

    Ah the Cat…if only we could harness the stupidity here we would have an endless and free energy supply.

    I assure you the feeling is mutual. How about you tell us in advance what sort of outside information you do accept as meaningful; it would speed up the slow search past all of the evidence you summarily reject. That’s a win/win right?

  63. Tel

    Maybe you accept these guys, I dunno any more, but they are kind of neutral.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-epa/epa-workforce-shrinking-to-reagan-era-levels-agency-official-idUSKCN1BH1LY

    In June, the EPA unveiled a buyout program that would contribute to the biggest cuts of any federal agency in President Donald Trump’s 2018 budget proposal. The EPA employs about 15,000 people.

    After buyouts and retirements, that number could drop to 14,428 by October, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said in an email.

    That would be below the fiscal 1988 level, when EPA staffing was 14,440, the official noted. A further 2,998 employees, or just over 20 percent of the total, are eligible to retire now, the official said.

    Another anonymous source, as per usual, but there’s real numbers in there. Check them yourself if you want to prove it wrong.

  64. Iampeter

    Tel, like Tim do you even know what you are trying to argue?

    I said Trump is a leftist as supported by policies, which I gave examples of, that he has implemented over his first year which are similar to that of Obama. Supporting Trump and opposing Obama makes no sense given how similar they are on the essentials.

    These are facts.

    You guys can accept reality or keep living in your fantasy world where you are destroying the left with examples of cutting 600 staff from organizations made up of 15,000(!) and other trivial fiddling around the margins.

    In the case of posters like Tim I’m not even sure what he is fighting for or against and neither is he. The guy is basically a socialist based on this thread alone and all he has done is help prove my point about the similarity of Trump and Obama (and Bernie and Hillary) supporters. You’re all very similar.

    Except you don’t find supporters of Obama, Bernie, Hillary as confused as supporters of Trump.

  65. Tim Neilson

    Poor old Iampeter.

    Living in a totally binary world.

    Every government that ever built a road or a public building is “leftist” according to him.

    So we should reject Trump, despite the tax cuts, despite the considerable deregulation, despite the surge in the US economy, because he’s a LEFTIST!!!!!

    It’s a great pity that Ayn Rand didn’t read Aristotle rather than just pontificating about him. If she had, we might be spared a lot of bullshit from her acolytes. She might have leavened her dogmatism with some consideration of Aristotle’s doctrine of the golden mean.

  66. Iampeter

    Every government that ever built a road or a public building is “leftist” according to him.

    No, those that think these are legitimate government functions are to the left in politics. The issue in question here is trillion dollar inrfastructure spending. That is far-left in politics.

    So we should reject Trump, despite the tax cuts, despite the considerable deregulation, despite the surge in the US economy, because he’s a LEFTIST!!!!!

    LOL there has been no considerable deregulation, there has been trivial deregulation, more than offset by the ongoing growth of government spending and regulations from the trillion dollar spending bill, to tariffs, to mergers, etc, etc.
    Yes, this is a leftist administration.
    Yes, those that support it for its largely leftist policies are leftists. Duh.

    In your case Tim, you are a leftist anyway as per the positions you’ve expressed in this thread alone.
    Also you are completely incoherent as on one hand you’re arguing for government regulations but on the other hand supporting Trump because you think he is deregulating.

    Don’t worry about living in a binary world, you don’t sound like you live in any world.

    Sorry, but like all too many posters at the Cat you are simply a totally politically illiterate leftist.

  67. Iampeter is a Randian. You have better luck conversing with a stone.

  68. mh

    No, those that think these are legitimate government functions are to the left in politics.

    Iampeter, is there anywhere on earth that you can point to that would give us just a glimpse of this wonderland where government never builds anything?

  69. In another thread, Iampeter argued that government had legitimate functions but that taxing citizens to fund these legitimate functions was an infringement of their rights. Yes, he argued just that.

  70. Iampeter

    Iampeter, is there anywhere on earth that you can point to that would give us just a glimpse of this wonderland where government never builds anything?

    No. There’s also no right-wing politicians or thinkers anywhere near the mainstream either. That’s the whole issue facing us today.

    Anyway, none of this has anything to do with what was being discussed. Trump isn’t spending a little on some buildings here and there like any other government today. He is passing over trillion dollar spending bill. Just like Obama and Bush before him. The only three men in human history to spend that much of other peoples money. This is HUGE.

    The idea that Trump is some changing of the guard or going to “drain the swamp” is over.

    Tim and Kates and other Trump supporters are evading this fact hence the constant straw-manning of what I’m actually saying.

    Trump supporters are refusing to deal with reality while accusing those of us of pointing out these facts of being “theoretical”.

  71. Iampeter

    Iampeter is a Randian. You have better luck conversing with a stone.

    You’d have better luck conversing if you just conversed instead of posting embarassingly clueless comments with a tone of sneering.
    Frankly as someone who knows as little about politics and has as little interest in it as you do I can’t for the life of me imagine why you would even read let alone post anything at the Cat.
    It’s not just you either. There’s a lot of crazies here.

    In another thread, Iampeter argued that government had legitimate functions but that taxing citizens to fund these legitimate functions was an infringement of their rights. Yes, he argued just that.

    Yea because there’s no other way to make money other than theft, right? This is what I mean. You have no idea what you’re talking about but you’re tone suggests you don’t realize how embarrassingly hilarious you are to those of us who do.

    Also, no one is discussing how governments should fund themselves here except Trumpkins desperately evading the fact that Trump is basically a third Obama term.

    Anything to avoid facing that!

  72. You’d have better luck conversing if you just conversed instead of posting embarassingly clueless comments with a tone of sneering.

    The projection is fascinating.

    Yea because there’s no other way to make money other than theft, right? This is what I mean. You have no idea what you’re talking about but you’re tone suggests you don’t realize how embarrassingly hilarious you are to those of us who do.

    If the government performs legitimate functions then it follows taxes are a legitimate means of recouping those expenses. However, you cannot recognize this because you live entirely within a Randian mental prison.

  73. Tel

    Tel, like Tim do you even know what you are trying to argue?

    I’m doing my best to use simple English for you, but if scrolling back up is too difficult, you brought up the EPA as an example (ok, your example not mine):

    It’s not like he’s announced the dismantling of the EPA or any real deregulation.

    I pointed to an article where the “Progressives” do indeed claim that Trump is dismantling the EPA, you responded with:

    I can’t think of a better example of avoiding reality than posting an article from a leftist who is scare mongering about a Trump appointee, dated to 2016, when we are living in 2018 and the EPA is still there an going strong.

    So you don’t like the source of the article, well you can do a search like I can, but in an attempt to keep you happy I found two more articles from two different sources, one with actual numbers in it and they are on track to reducing the size of the EPA by 25%. Now you are reduced to tossing squirrels hoping to create confusion and distraction.

    I said Trump is a leftist as supported by policies, which I gave examples of, that he has implemented over his first year which are similar to that of Obama. Supporting Trump and opposing Obama makes no sense given how similar they are on the essentials.

    Sure, and other people (including myself) gave other examples which you just wave away because you have no sense of subtly and nuance. Since the alternative choice was Hillary Clinton, all things considered Trump is moving us in the right direction. If your argument has now shifted to, “Hey Trump didn’t close the EPA in an afternoon” then you might as well accept that you don’t have any argument.

    You’d have better luck conversing if you just conversed instead of posting embarassingly clueless comments with a tone of sneering.

    Not even looking at other thread, here’s some Iampeter quality sneering:

    * “But you’re still supporting collectivism. You’re still supporting leftism.”
    * “You don’t even have a working theory of government which is why you think infrastructure bills and blocking mergers are perfectly fine.”
    * “Those us who actually know what we are talking about and are an actual alternative to the Trumps, Obamas and other leftists of this world, believe the function of government is to protect rights.”
    * “Four years or even eight and this administration might make Obama look like a Founding Father in comparison.”

    Do you see why people just tend to write off Randians as a complete waste of time and space? Because you can’t even have a civil discussion then you blame others for your own faults. You still haven’t apologized for calling me racist in a typical fit of leftist shut-the-other-guy-up strategy, and then you have the nerve to try to call others leftist. You sir, have no honour and it surely does show.

    Besides that, your last point I quoted above is just flat wrong, and I have the real data right here:

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=k5wo

    You can see that total US government spending as a ratio of NGDP is sitting at about the same level as the Reagan era and that’s not fantastic, but it’s a lot lower than under Obama.

    Trump isn’t perfect, no one ever said he was. His attempt to prove his manliness by sending cruise missiles to hit random targets does not impress, but at least Trump hasn’t started any new wars which still puts him ahead of most US Presidents. Trump has reminded people that we don’t need to put up with bullshit cultural Marxism like using “racist! racist!” as magic shut-up words when you have nothing meaningful to say.

  74. Iampeter

    Tel, I said Trump isn’t repealing the EPA as an example of him just fiddling around the margins instead of actual deregulation.
    Nothing you’ve said changes this. Whether he plans to cut staff by 25% or some leftist thinks he is the second coming of Rand, the fact is he is not dismantling the EPA. He’s just another big government leftist.

    This exchange is typical here. You’re talking random wrong things, I come along and point out they are wrong, you all trigger because you are all incredibly thin skin and insecure about how embarrassingly little you know about politics despite spending so much time on political blogs and then accuse me of doing what you’re doing.

    You guys basically equate being schooled on the basics as if its sneering ad hominem and then engage in actual sneering ad hominem.

    Rinse, repeat. I’ll see you in the next thread where we’ll do it all over again.

    PS, I don’t remember calling you a racist, but I get called tons of crap here and generally send everyone running crying because you guys sure can’t handle what you dish out.

    In other words, grow some balls, kiddo.

  75. This exchange is typical here. You’re talking random wrong things, I come along and point out they are wrong, you all trigger because you are all incredibly thin skin and insecure about how embarrassingly little you know about politics despite spending so much time on political blogs and then accuse me of doing what you’re doing.

    You guys basically equate being schooled on the basics as if its sneering ad hominem and then engage in actual sneering ad hominem.

    As dumb as a bag of rocks, this fella.

  76. Snoopy

    Trump’s done nothing on taxes. He hasn’t abolished the IRS.

    /Iampeter

  77. Snoopy

    I doubt eter’s brain is drawing anything near 1 amp.

  78. Iampeter

    So to summarise my point in this thread:
    Tim supports Trump because he thinks he is engaging in “considerable deregulation”.
    I point out that his deregulations are actually pretty trivial.
    At this point Tim starts arguing in favor of regulations. Even making caricature leftist evil “monopoly” and “predatory pricing” arguments.
    At this point I’m pointing out that if he supports regulation his support for Trump because of deregulations makes no sense. He is completely confused and self contradictory. He has no theory of government.
    At this point the sneering ad homs slowly start beginning “attnetion Cats, ooh Iampeter thinks, etc…)
    And finally we have the usual triggered suspects of the Cat who are just as clueless as Tim join in to do the things they will then accuse me of doing.

    I love the Cat. There’s no other blog anywhere on the internet more full of people that know nothing about the subject matter they are discussing and calling people who are pointing this out as the idiots.

  79. Iampeter

    Trump’s done nothing on taxes. He hasn’t abolished the IRS.

    Then he shouldn’t have run on “draining the swamp”.
    He should’ve run on “I’m another generic leftist who’ll fiddle around the margins like every other politician today”.

    Do you idiots even think what actually draining the swamp would actually look like?

    You people have no clue.

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