So why is Australia the last to know?

There’s an old story I heard when I first came to Australia about how the original inhabitants of Tasmania had lost the art of fishing, so lived on an island surrounded by water but never ate the fish that swam in the oceans around them. So one day others may tell of a people who inhabited an island made out of coal but chose to drive their electricity using windmills while running water up hill. In this vein, let me draw the following to your attention, from The Wall Street Journal: Climate change is over. There at the start we find this:

No, I’m not saying the climate will not change in the future, or that human influence on the climate is negligible. I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

Judged by deeds rather than words, most national governments are backing away from forced-marched decarbonization. You can date the arc of climate change as a policy priority from 1988, when highly publicized congressional hearings first elevated the issue, to 2018. President Trump’s ostentatious withdrawal from the Paris Agreement merely ratified a trend long becoming evident.

This is a trillion-dollar issue, that if you get it wrong, will lower living standards by substantial amounts for a generation at least and potentially more. From the same kinds of people who brought you Venezuela, the climate change spectre has made some people rich, has made obscure academics in obscure corners of the world of research famous and wealthy, has scared no end of our citizens about some possible rising of the oceans and an over-heated planet fifty years into the future, but has not produced a single verifiable fact about the climate.

If no one else is shooting themselves in the foot, then why are we? It’s time to stop, and return to burning coal and start building nuclear power stations just like everyone else.

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76 Responses to So why is Australia the last to know?

  1. Rossini

    Stupid Forken Liberals………er Stupid Forken Malcontent
    No need to say any more!!!!!!

  2. Yesterday watched that grub Turnbull addressing a group of about a dozen farmers somewhere in western NSW about what his government was going to do to aleviate their drought related problems. He spent a major part of the interview blaming climate change for the farmers problems and spruiking what his government was doing to reduce climate change. It was sad to watch the captive audience of farmers forced to grudgingly nod their heads in agreement to his ravings in order to ensure that the hoped for largess would be directed their way. Make no mistake, Turnbull staged this deliberately and these poor farmers were coerced into supporting his views with the promise of financial assistance.

  3. OneWorldGovernment

    Garry
    #2729044, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    Yesterday watched that grub Turnbull addressing a group of about a dozen farmers somewhere in western NSW about what his government was going to do to aleviate their drought related problems. He spent a major part of the interview blaming climate change for the farmers problems and spruiking what his government was doing to reduce climate change. It was sad to watch the captive audience of farmers forced to grudgingly nod their heads in agreement to his ravings in order to ensure that the hoped for largess would be directed their way. Make no mistake, Turnbull staged this deliberately and these poor farmers were coerced into supporting his views with the promise of financial assistance.

    Malcolm Turnbull is actually fucking mad.

  4. Our electric and gas bills in Japan combined, not individual Combined work out in Oz dollars to around 60 to 100 $Au a month.

    I have talked to colleagues who have gone back to Oz having a $1200 electricity bill in a quarter with them only having 2 children (10 and 13yo).

    You have gone nuts

  5. MichelLasouris

    Steve. It is so good to read once again that the voices of reason and scientific observations are at long last heard and read.
    I think about all the vilification that has been heaped on the heads of those with sufficient intelligence and training who steadfastly refused to buckle to the idiocy of Gore, Flannery etc.. I just hope that Jo Nova and the others heroes of this war have suffered no lasting damage, and in fact will be honoured soon with Australian of the Year, Nobel prizes and the rest that they richly deserve

  6. OneWorldGovernment

    Not only is Mad Mal off his tree but he has lead other companies into the fucking wilderness.

    Funny that Kerry Packer sent him packing.

    If it wasn’t for his mad bitch wife he would be living underneath Sydney Harbor Bridge.

    Hey Mal.

    Why did your father kill himself?

  7. MichelLasouris

    And those who contribute to, and read Catallaxy should start a movement to award the Anti AWG warriors their just rewards

  8. Paul

    It’s a fool who thinks this fight is done. The enemy is merely biding it’s time, they are hoping the run out the clock on the apostate Trump and then they will unleash the 2nd coming and be even more fervent than before as they will have to make up for lost time. I wish we could say that our witch trial level of insanity was over but I don’t think for a minute the believers have given in or been defeated.

    In a century or so when historians are looking back at us and our end is nigh climate change era, how they’ll laugh like we do now at how stupid people were during the witch trials and other such fads. It’s the modern day medieval replay.

  9. MichelLasouris

    Garry
    #2729044, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull is actually fucking mad.
    Not so much mad , as not very bright, and easily lead. And I don’t know which is worse……

  10. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    it’s a uniparty thing

  11. In a century or so when historians are looking back at us and our end is nigh climate change era, how they’ll laugh like we do now at how stupid people were during the witch trials and other such fads. It’s the modern day medieval replay.

    Venezuela is laughing at you now

  12. NB

    Pssst, Malcolm, wanna win the election?
    Why do you ask?
    Well, back coal, put nuclear on the agenda.
    No, no, I mean why do you ask if I want to win the election. Of course I don’t.

  13. MichelLasouris

    Paul

    #2729064, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    It’s a fool who thinks this fight is done.
    That’s a very sad opinion, Paul. We don’t need naysayers now; what we need is movement to condemn the utter stupidity of those who can’t understand that water finds its common level, and that land masses sink and rise with monotonous regularity. And ,of course, that NO-ONE can quantify any rise in overall global temperature.

  14. Jo Smyth

    The next election will be won if Mal and his Ministers get out every day and push the immigration policies Labor will implement. Most people couldn’t give a fig about the climate change issue. For some reason they don’t connect the price of electricity with the ridiculous subsidies paid to the re enable energy sector. The problem is, should the Turnbull government win he will see it as vindication for every stupid policy he comes up with so things would get much worse.

  15. Jo Smyth

    the renewable energy sector

  16. RobK

    I just hope that Jo Nova and the others heroes of this war have suffered no lasting damage,…..
    It’s not the sceptics I’m worried about, it’s the blinkered and the shuttered that have suffered the delusions. They will be difficult to assimilate to rationale and reason.

  17. Megan

    Our geographic distance from the rest of the world is both our greatest strength and greatest weakness.

    Also The Mighty Termite has been so dazzled by his own wonderful brilliance he has been permanently blinded and the reflected heat has destroyed every single neuron. That speech yesterday fully supports this theory.

  18. Dauf

    Mal is totally in dreamland; will support anything that Abbott was against and is against any Abbott suggestion or strength. He is just as destructive as RGR in the short term, but perhaps even worse in the long term as he moves left and forces little bill even further left.

    Poor mal, in his heart he knows he’s useless…just wants people to like him, but after 15 years of whiteanting his own side, he just does not know how to do it

    What a dud

  19. John Constantine

    If not for dumping unused the water from the dams of the murray darling into the sea, if not for dynamiting our power stations, if not for deindustrialising the country by sending our industry overseas as war reparations, if not for mass importing millions of excess disposable military age males from peasantistan as consumption machines, if not for borrowing a trillion dollars:

    The right sort of elite Australian quisling orc wouldn’t be able to say their house could sell for millions of dollars.

    Comrades.

  20. RobK

    With the right leadership and policies, Australia can quickly become a powerhouse of prosperity, lifting not only its own economy but also those with which it trades. So much potential, so much wasted time and effort.

  21. nemkat

    There’s an old story I heard when I first came to Australia about how the original inhabitants of Tasmania had lost the art of fishing, so lived on an island surrounded by water but never ate the fish that swam in the oceans around them.

    Why eat fish when you’ve got oysters, shellfish and crabs all over the place.
    The Tasmanian Blacks lived off the fat of the land, and probably couldn’t imagine it all coming to an end.
    Not all that different to us, really.

  22. H B Bear

    RobK – you could say that about any point in Australia’s history. Unfortunately the reality is still best summed up by Donald Horne and some 50 years later, remains as true as ever,

    Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people’s ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise

  23. RobK

    Why eat fish when you’ve got oysters, ……
    And humongous yabbies.

  24. Roger

    Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people

    Horne was right, but our present problem is that the second raters are first rate at destroying the country.

  25. RobK

    HB,
    Point taken. Perhaps one day the light will shine through. There’s no reason that it can’t, even accepting our reliance on foreign investments.

  26. Bruce of Newcastle

    Global temperature in the satellite data in 2018 so far is lower than the same period of 2002 despite a 10% increase in CO2.
    It is a tell that the people who are pushing global warming are the same people who push socialism.
    The climate change scam will crash and burn like Venezuela, for the same reasons.
    It can’t be long now.

  27. nemkat

    Jo Smyth
    #2729083
    The next election will be won if Mal and his Ministers get out every day and push the immigration policies Labor will implement.

    Won’t work.
    It’s a blatant standover tactic that implies the Coalition haven’t got any achievements to sell.
    Plus, it will be laughed to scorn, because both Parties Immigration Policies are similar at the moment.
    Shorten could just say ”Okay, we’ll reduce it by 100,000 per annum.”
    He’d bolt in then.

  28. We can now start totaling what the AGW lunacy has cost us.
    I think a good case would be that it cost around $5 Trillion, but would not be surprised to see the opportunity cost in terms of lost or misallocated production and the destruction of the Wests industrial plant to be $10 Trillion – in other words, greater than the cost of the Second World War.
    Of course I have no basis for these figures apart from extractus via rectum, but if someone could do just a simple couple of graphs, they are welcome.

  29. Jo Smyth

    nemkat, I was referring to the fact that within days, boats full of country shoppers would be on the way, TPVs would be done away with and all those who managed to get here would not have to stay on Manus or Nauru for any length of time. There would be more deaths at sea and the costs would be astronomical. The rest of the Immigration Policies are very similar.

  30. Actually, just stopping and thinking about it, those numbers are way low.

  31. Robber Baron

    The elites will end the climate change scam only after they install the next scam.

  32. nemkat

    Jo Smyth
    #2729144
    nemkat, I was referring to the fact that within days, boats full of country shoppers would be on the way, TPVs would be done away with and all those who managed to get here would not have to stay on Manus or Nauru for any length of time.

    Yeah,I get that. And that’s very likely.
    My point is that it’s always about the Economy. Barring exceptional circumstances, going negative won’t work.
    Examples:
    1. Howard tried a Union Scare Campaign in 2007 and lost his Seat.
    2. Shorten went negative with the Mediscare Campaign 10 days out from the last Election, and even though The Coalition made a hash of the response, he still couldn’t win.

    Voters want to hear good news about the future, not be counselled byDaddy about the consequences of voting Labor.

  33. Jannie

    I don’t think its over yet. There is lot more drivel left in the fanatics, not to mention the generations of youth who have had it hard coded into their belief systems.

    Still it must be hard to keep it going when every prediction of the end of the world comes to naught, the temperature is not actually boiling us to death after all, maybe even cooling, and the Barrier reef is still there. Despite the fact that CO2 emissions continue to increase. They don’t need evidence, they still have the feelings.

  34. Paul

    MichelLasouris
    #2729081, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:53 pm
    Paul

    #2729064, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    It’s a fool who thinks this fight is done.
    That’s a very sad opinion, Paul. We don’t need naysayers now; what we need is movement to condemn the utter stupidity of those who can’t understand that water finds its common level, and that land masses sink and rise with monotonous regularity. And ,of course, that NO-ONE can quantify any rise in overall global temperature.

    Did you even understand my post? I’m saying that people are going to look back at us as morons because of this fraud ffs, not because I’m a AGWer

  35. Pete of Perth

    The news links on the CSIRO intra-net home page are, The Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald & CNN (from memory). The bubble shielding our overlords is impenetrable.

  36. Jo Smyth

    nemkat,

    Howard also won an election thanks to Tampa i.e strong stance on illegals.

  37. Pete of Perth

    Micro-plastics is the next honey-pot.

  38. Jo Smyth

    nemkat, I would also add that in 2007 when Howard was defeated, the economy was great, no debt and no problem with illegal boat arrivals. Everything nosedived when Labor took over. Today, the thought of the illegal boat trade starting up again and all that it entails, is still fresh in voters minds and needs to be highlighted. That is if the Liberals can be bothered campaigning.

  39. Ron jenkins

    Meanwhile the pillocks running the E.U. Have just announced that 146 BILLION Euros will be spent on “fighting climate change” in accordance with that Paris agreement a few years back.
    The nutters are truly in charge of the nut house.

  40. Billie

    It’s over when the fat lady sings, and she’s aways off coming

  41. Iampeter

    I mean simply that climate change is no longer a pre-eminent policy issue. All that remains is boilerplate rhetoric from the political class, frivolous nuisance lawsuits, and bureaucratic mandates on behalf of special-interest renewable-energy rent seekers.

    In other words its no longer an issue because it has been won, just not by who is being suggested here, but by the environmentalists.

    Oh sure the green bureaucracies may wane from time to time as we see with Trump leaving the Paris agreement but overall, like with gov run education, healthcare and infrastructure, the green bureaucracy is here to stay.

    Anyone who thinks the left is losing here or something is not really seeing the big picture.

  42. Bruce

    “If no one else is shooting themselves in the foot, then why are we?”

    How many hands are on the gun?

    And whose?

    And why?

    As that murderous old bastard Lenin rhetorically asked: “Who, whom?”

    Who is doing what to whom and who’s paying for it?

    The dumb bunny voters in Oz are starting to feel the bite ofpaying out of their wallets. However, in the words of Al Jolson: “You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!”

    Supplementary questions:

    Who is coughing up the loot to run the disinformation campaigns and worse? The only reason to expose oneself to the major “news” outlets is to keep track of what the peasants are supposed to both believe and regurgitate on cue.

    What do they expect in return?

    To whom will the “benefits” of all this “creativity” accrue? The eco-nazis? Hardly. They will be first up against the (metaphorical?) wall because most of them wouldn’t work in an iron lung.

    Cynical? Moi?

  43. nemkat

    Yeah, I get all that.
    The thing was, Howard didn’t campaign on that, he campaigned on Union Power, and how bad Labor would be.
    While he was right about Labor, they hadn’t haed a go since 1996, and people’s memories don’t go back more than a couple of years.
    Boat arrivals are a fair few years ago now, and it’s just not a vote winner. One of the problems around this is that the Coalition aren’t on the same page as most Australians.
    The Coalition’s line is lame, to wit: We don’t want unauthorised arrivals because it’s too dangerous, and some of them have drowned.
    Your average Australian thinks: Fucking beauty, send the Navy out, and use them for target practice.
    So, unless the Coalition is prepared to go the full Trump x 100, they’re better off selling their achievements in Office and their plans for the future.

  44. RobK

    Peter,
    I agree it will be a while to try to turn the ship around. It may not succeed immediately but i believe a new renaissance is possible. People can learn.

  45. hzhousewife

    Micro-plastics is the next honey-pot.

    What ! NO GLITTER !

  46. Genghis

    Don’t you jut love the Progressives (oxymoron) in their fixation on Wind Power. Just take the last 14 days of April when NEM figures show that Eastern Australia Wind Farms operated at less than 10% of their capacity for 25% of the time. This needs 100% backup. And the Progressives say Nuclear plants take too long to build!
    Stupid really, but that is the age we live in, and the frightning thing is that they will never admit they were wrong.

  47. Iampeter

    Robk, you’ve got the right attitude for sure but I am such a pessimist by nature.

  48. rickw

    Forgetting how to fish takes some doing.

  49. Dr Fred Lenin

    The whole climate ponzi scheme would collapse the moment all taxpayer funding was stopped ,the left never use their own money for their causes , Defund and it will die quickly ,Defund now!

  50. Fang

    Imagin, day one of a National/coalition win! First things said at victory speech was, subsidys for all renewables are frozen, amd plans to build three Nuclear power plants are been drawn up now! Several possible locations are awaiting planning from local councils!
    We need some nut crackers in goverment! 🙁

  51. Bushkid

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2729051, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:32 pm
    Garry
    #2729044, posted on June 5, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    Yesterday watched that grub Turnbull addressing a group of about a dozen farmers somewhere in western NSW about what his government was going to do to aleviate their drought related problems. He spent a major part of the interview blaming climate change for the farmers problems and spruiking what his government was doing to reduce climate change. It was sad to watch the captive audience of farmers forced to grudgingly nod their heads in agreement to his ravings in order to ensure that the hoped for largess would be directed their way. Make no mistake, Turnbull staged this deliberately and these poor farmers were coerced into supporting his views with the promise of financial assistance.

    Malcolm Turnbull is actually fucking mad.

    My opinion of Turnbull wouldn’t be printable – even here.

    These bastards spruiking the “climate change” bullshit know full well it’s bullshit. There is no way in creation they don’t. To stand there and lecture farmers, those producing the food we eat and which earns export dollar revenue to shovel at the ungrateful cretins who would prefer to see the country collapse, is disgusting. Apparently his son is heavily invested in “renewables”, so of course he’s going to push the “climate change” bullshit for all he’s worth. Never mind the rest of us, as long as he and his son are OK, Jack!

  52. Bushkid

    That is if the Liberals can be bothered campaigning.

    That is if Turnbull can be bothered….. FIFY

  53. GD

    The Tasmanian Blacks lived off the fat of the land, and probably couldn’t imagine it all coming to an end.

    Sounds like the Tasmanian Greens. They live off welfare payments and “probably can’t imagine it all coming to an end.”

  54. struth

    Sorry but I agree with Iampeter here.
    Anyone who thinks this is over needs to get out more.

  55. Entropy

    He spent a major part of the interview blaming climate change for the farmers problems and spruiking what his government was doing to reduce climate change. It was sad to watch the captive audience of farmers forced to grudgingly nod their heads in agreement to his ravings in order to ensure that the hoped for largess would be directed their way. Make no mistake, Turnbull staged this deliberately and these poor farmers were coerced into supporting his views with the promise of financial assistance.

    Well the pay had to:
    1. They are polite
    2. If they got up and said, the truth is the Australian climate is featured by consecutive years of big, widespread drought of below average rainfall alternating with runs of above average rainfall and heavy flooding years, it would be harder to argue for financial assistance for an ‘unexpected’ drought or flood.

  56. Entropy

    Anyone who thinks the issue has lost political steam is deluded. Sure the population as a whole does not think about it much. Never has.
    But in the political class it is the mechanism for leveraging power and influence, and extending bureaucratic power into areas that the wielder normally would have no say. It also puts their political opponents off balance because to argue against the paradigm is a more complex argument than “won’t somebody think of the children?” It’s far too useful.

  57. manalive

    The price of thermal coal is probably a good proxy for global CC™ concern.

  58. Snoopy

    But in the political class it is the mechanism for leveraging power and influence, and extending bureaucratic power into areas that the wielder normally would have no say.

    Bugmen are not short of alternative mechanisms even if CAGW goes off the boil. 😁

    The War against Offence. The War for Diversity. The War against Agriculture. The War against Plastics. The War against Sugar.

    The big one in the wings is the War for Compulsory ‘Autonomous’ Cars. The tantalising prospect of controlling when and where everyone travels is exquisitely painful for the Bugmen class.

  59. cynical1

    The end must be nigh when the idiots can seriously discuss a country the size
    of Australia, with it’s outback, as being feasible for the change to electric cars.

    See all those semis supply food to the far flung regions?

    Civilisation is removed from anarchy by about three days without supplies.

  60. Cynical1;

    Civilisation is removed from anarchy by about three days without supplies.

    Lenin: A nation is three meals away from a revolution.

  61. Mark M

    Guess that carbon (sic) tax stopped the global warming …

    CSIRO: Giving high power bills the cold shoulder

    https://blog.csiro.au/giving-high-power-bills-cold-shoulder/

    Carbon tax hit small: CSIRO

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-tax-hit-small-csiro-20111112-1ncvq.html

  62. It’s not the sceptics I’m worried about, it’s the blinkered and the shuttered that have suffered the delusions. They will be difficult to assimilate to rationale and reason.

    True.
    But the war will not end soon.
    The fanatics in the pacific will never surrender. They will fight to the death, even after their emperor surrenders.

  63. min

    What may stop the alarmists is the present lack of sun spots, the lowest in 200 years. Spring was 2 weeks late in Europe and temps were lower than normal when I was there in May. Hopefully there will be a very cold winter with people not being able to afford heating .

  64. manalive

    Mark M at 8:15 am:

    CSIRO: Giving high power bills the cold shoulder …

    Just like the good old days of WW2, except that helpful CSIRO advice applies to a country with over 500 years of black and brown coal reserves, 400 years of natural gas reserves and the largest single deposit of uranium ore in the world.

  65. old bloke

    Most Australians think CAGW / Climate Change is a nonsense, if they think about it at all. What they don’t know or understand is the nexus between climate change policies and their power bills.

    This scam will continue for a long time I’m afraid as the general population don’t know how much they are paying to the climate fraudsters.

  66. Snoopy

    Another war. The War on Waste.

    Ronni Kahn calls it her lightbulb moment.

    The former corporate events manager had just put on a lavish spread for 1,000 people, with all the abundance and generosity you would want.

    Then she saw the aftermath: thousands of kilograms of good food going straight into the dumpster out back.

    “I felt sick. Totally horrible,” she said.

    It gets worse.

  67. Roger

    It gets worse.

    Don’t tell me: the government gets involved.

  68. Old Irrelevant me

    Robber Baron
    #2729184, posted on June 5, 2018 at 8:07 pm
    The elites will end the climate change scam only after they install the next scam.

    Ah yes RB that is what we want to see, what the next scam is.
    I also think CC was invented to reign in the Carbon Barons, give them something to fight. Take a share of the winnings etc.

  69. Old Irrelevant me

    cynical1
    #2729465, posted on June 6, 2018 at 8:06 am
    The end must be nigh when the idiots can seriously discuss a country the size
    of Australia, with it’s outback, as being feasible for the change to electric cars.
    See all those semis supply food to the far flung regions?
    Civilisation is removed from anarchy by about three days without supplies.
    I’m Not Sure I Follow Cynical 1, Was it not the preferred choice of the city dwellers to convert? Was it not the opportunity to reduce the carbon content of the air in their immediate cities that drove the search for a converted car. In some parts of our country the average battery car would only just make it to the farm gate and back on a single charge. But in the city where much is made of the pollution there in. Are you tarring the station hand with the same brush you do the apartment dweller in the city?

  70. Snoopy

    a lavish spread for 1,000 people – the aftermath: thousands of kilograms of good food going straight into the dumpster out back.

    Let’s face it Ronni, the real problem is that you are an incompetent manager.

  71. Delta

    Mad Mal, the man who showed his true colours when he banned the incandescent light bulb. Until he is gone, there’s no hope.

  72. If anyone thinks this CAGW scam by the United Nations (and sundry trough feeders) is over, is kidding themselves.

    Remember the ozone layer? Remember how all Australians were going to be fried by the loss of that protective layer? Remember the banning of certain CFC’s that supposedly were destroying the layer and the mandated use of propellants 10 times more expensive?
    Well now, the ozone layer is still waxing and waning just like it always has. Turns out that CFC’s didn’t destroy that layer after all yet the use of expensive propellants is still mandated.

    Trump and a Republican Congress are temporary. Once they are ousted, the CAGW scam will be firmly back on the agenda. Too much money and political power is involved for this scam to die off.

  73. Faceache

    Wasted food. I’ve tried to eat banana peels, potato peels, all sorts of peels and off cuts. Outside of onions, bones, pips, stones. All sorts of inedible stuff that makes up the we buy.Tried gnawing bones until there’s nothing left. Looking at our rubbish, there isn’t much else. Don’t actually throw anything out that’s edible.

  74. There are two kinds of people in this world: those than could sense AGW was all a scam, and those that couldn’t.

    It always fascinated me how people could believe in it when there was zero evidence that the “science” was correct.

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