Open Forum: June 9, 2018

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  1. DrBeauGan

    Rejecting organised religion for atheism is perfectly reasonable for an intelligent person who thinks for himself. Rejecting it for leftism is a big step down. Intellectually and morally.

  2. Zatara

    Deference? One salutes the rank, not the bloke wearing it and most certainly not the wife of the bloke wearing it as some seem to expect.

    (Feel free to rearrange those genders as you please because social construct)

  3. Boambee John

    Roger at 1402

    If they can’t establish their own centre for learning they aren’t serious.

    If they don’t establish their own centre for learning they aren’t serious about meeting the conditions of the bequest.

    Fixed.

  4. Boambee John

    Dr Fred

    Now there is something worthy of a Real investigative journalists time and worth the money to find out,and long jail time for the guilty

    Australian investigative j’ismists do not investigate their friends. Not done, old chap, you know.

  5. C.L.

    I now have a Seinfeldian policy on kissing.
    I don’t kiss female acquaintances; I shake their hands.
    As for the hand kiss. best avoided unless you know how to do it.
    Hint: unless it’s an intimate, the lips don’t touch the hand.

    It was once entirely normal for Catholics to venerate a bishop’s episcopal ring.

    Watch this amazing clip from 1950s game show, What’s My Line?
    Note how far American culture has deteriorated since then.
    Also note how journalist Dorothy Kilgallen greets Venerable Fulton Cardinal Sheen.

  6. Bruce in WA

    Even if this did manage to get off the ground (read it; pun intended), does anyone really imagine for even one split second that the establishment would allow anyone to have one?

    Not likely.

  7. johanna

    I detest comparative strangers invading my space with hugs and kisses. A simple handshake is as far as I will go. Close, old friends and family get into the me-zone, the rest can back off.

    The hand-kiss is fine, though. Very elegant, and respectful, and from the right person, tres erotic! 🙂

  8. Atoms for Peace

    Must be time for a university app that maintains a list of a user’s trigger words and feeds nyaaah nyaaah into their ear buds whilst they sit at lectures. Real time safe place for the dearies.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    I am generally uncomfortable with human touch unless it involves hugging my kids or big naturals.

  10. nemkat

    dover_beach
    #2732195

    Rubbish. Ellis was raised a Seventh-Day Adventist and was an atheist as an adult. Dorothy Hewett attended an Anglican School and was an atheist all her adult life.

    Rubbish. Here’s the facts, Dover, and the source:

    As an avowed atheist, one-time communist and someone who, as a child, her Catholic nun teachers were apt to inform would never, ever go to heaven, Hewett revelled in the delicious irony of a saintly epithet.
    https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/08/25/1030053009913.html

  11. DrBeauGan

    There’s a nice line in one of Lindsey Davis’ books where the hero, an informer (private eye) is talking to the emperor of Rome. The emperor tells him he dislikes informers as a class, but is prepared to make an exception in the present case. The hero replies that he feels the same way about emperors.

  12. feelthebern

    For Cats who don’t want to read the bullshit-a-thon regarding the SASR, its all hearsay & garbage.
    The entire article relies on one chaps memory of seeing something that looked like a body at the bottom of a cliff, from a distance of a few hundred meters away, from a chopper, as the chopper flew away.

    Any military Cats who have been on choppers in a war zone want to ascribe an uber style ratings system to that kind of claim?

  13. Infidel Tiger

    Be a sport and go eat a bucket of dicks please Nemkat.

    Your contrarian troll work is noted and we salute you.

    Now log off and enjoy that 21 piece cock salad you’ve been hankering for.

  14. feelthebern

    The American greeting – jerking off into a potted plant – is confronting the first time you see it.

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Feeltherbern, note also that neither Fairfax hourno has the balls to set foot in Afghanistan and instead paid a local journo.

    Stinks to high heaven.

  16. feelthebern

    I went to a French place in Sydney last weekend.
    Called Le Coq.
    I’ve had a lot of fun talking about it all week.

  17. C.L.

    Multiple sources confirm Dover is right.

    Hewett was born in Perth, Western Australia and was brought up on a sheep and wheat farm near Wickepin in the Western Australian Wheatbelt. She was initially educated at home and through correspondence courses. From the age of 15 she attended Perth College, which was run by Anglican nuns.

    She was never christened as a child.

  18. feelthebern

    Afgan journo.
    Oxymoron.
    Stinks like Kim Carrs jock strap after bikram yoga session.

  19. nemkat

    Be a sport and go eat a bucket of dicks please Nemkat.

    Is that one of your specialties, Infidel Tiger?
    Your contrarian troll work is noted and we salute you.

    Au Contraire.
    The Cat is a noted Journal of Record, my work is ensuring erratic contributors stick to the facts.

  20. H B Bear

    Fark the last place you would want a flying car is Perth. They can’t even operate in 2D.

  21. C.L.

    The Perth Festival must cancel forthwith the 2018 Dorothy Hewett Award.

  22. feelthebern

    Here goes:
    All Cat foodies must try Le Coq.
    You think you wouldn’t like it, but after a few mins, Le Coq is quite good.
    Sydney will become known for Le Coq.
    The only criticism is they use too much duck fat at Le Coq.
    Makes things a tad greasy.
    So, don’t knock Le Coq until you try it.

    Boom tsch.

  23. Vicki

    For Cats who don’t want to read the bullshit-a-thon regarding the SASR, its all hearsay & garbage.

    Your are not wrong, feelthebern, I recall in either the Oz or SMH article the reference to “unverifiable” evidence [sic].

  24. C.L.

    Even if the SAS did throw a Taliban terrorist off a cliff…
    So what?

  25. nemkat

    C.L.
    #2732219
    Multiple sources confirm Dover is right.

    Hewett’s Obit., published in The Age, and referred to at 2.54pm, says Catholic nuns. Wikipedia is often short on credibility.

  26. Vicki

    BTW, not that “evidence” is important these days. We moved, long ago, into a “post-evidence” society.

  27. Atoms for Peace

    Perth College. Anglican or Catholic. ?

  28. Multiple sources confirm Dover is right.

    Will nemkat have the decency to admit his multiple errors?

  29. Vicki

    Feeltherbern, note also that neither Fairfax hourno has the balls to set foot in Afghanistan and instead paid a local journo.

    Not sure this applies to Chris Masters, IT, as I heard that he was “embedded” for a time with our blokes in Afghanistan.

    I may be wrong.

  30. Infidel Tiger

    Perth College is an anglican school.

    I would be a tad surprised if they employed Catholic Nuns.

  31. Perth College. Anglican or Catholic.

    Anglican.

  32. Macbeth

    Boambee J.
    Didn’t serve with them, But I do know that B24s did a good job on overnight trips to Java.

  33. feelthebern

    Other elements of the Fairfax report.
    Australian soldiers drink.
    Also, over 17 years (Australia’s longest war), a couple of grenades & weapons were not accounted for.
    Oh & one chap, after a few too many drinks, pulled a gun on a snowflake.

    It’s My Lai all over again.

  34. lotocoti

    I’m sure they mean rescue.

    No.
    It’s the SMH. To them, Entebbe was Zionist Entity Oppression Commandos murdering peace and freedom loving palestinians on an adventure holiday.

  35. Infidel Tiger

    Energised from gorging on a bucket of dicks, Nemkat doubles down on stupid.

    Truly a cock-fuelled loser.

  36. Atoms for Peace

    IT. Shush. The resident indigenous whisperer is still fact checking.

  37. Pedro the Ignorant

    Perth College is more Anglican than Westminster Abbey.

    Hardcore C of E.

  38. Hewett’s Obit., published in The Age, and referred to at 2.54pm, says Catholic nuns. Wikipedia is often short on credibility.

    CL cited The Encyclopedia of Women and Leadership in Twentieth-Century Australia and the author’s own poem.

  39. nemkat, just admit your multiple errors and move on.

  40. Infidel Tiger

    Nemkat is not here for the hunting.

  41. feelthebern

    Nemkat is not here for the hunting.

    I think James Woods telling that joke on the Letterman show 20 something years ago was the best telling I’ve heard.

  42. Vicki

    Re Chris Masters & the SAS story:

    Chris Masters has apparently done a lot of work with the Australian War Memorial on expanding recognition of the Australian war effort in Afghanistan & Iraq. Brendan Nelson has a high regard for him.

    Nonetheless, I can’t get past the fact that Masters has been behind the revelations about the SAS controversy not merely on this occasion, but some time ago as well.

    I personally distrust the work of “investigative journalism” in respect to military campaigns as the journos rarely have the understanding of combat situations that military historians generally have.

  43. Pedro the Ignorant

    For years after the end of the Vietnam war, various nutters, losers and fruitcakes kept popping up in assorted newspapers claiming all sorts of war crimes and atrocities were committed by Australian troops in Vietnam.

    I don’t recall a single incident ever being proven true.

    As usual, follow the money.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    When I claimed that leftism was just a front for peedos and child sex, many disagreed.

    I accept your apologies, but wish I was wrong.

  45. C.L.

    Hewett was never christened.
    Her family was nominally Anglican.
    The Fairfax obituarist – being a left-wing moron – has seen the word “nuns” in one of Hewett’s literary expectorations, put 2 and 2 together and got Catholic.
    She was an unchristened, lifelong atheist raised by nominal Anglicans.
    The end.

  46. egg_

    nemkat
    #2732222, posted on June 9, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    Be a sport

    David Warner has lost a bag load of sponsors, what?

  47. Senile Old Guy

    “The overwhelming medical advice and evidence is that it’s likely to lead to the uptake of smoking and we cannot support that,” his spokesperson says.

    Dumb as a bag of rocks, or they think most of us are.

    Most of them are telling lies and they know it.

  48. Steve trickler

    Don’t hold back, Paul.

    Excellent commentary on the rape gang fiasco and the institutions that allowed it to flourish.

    The UK police, are a clusterfuck.



  49. egg_

    The ball tamperers cost a lot of jerbs at CA?

  50. Confused Old Misfit

    NB: There are Anglican nuns.

  51. Infidel Tiger

    There are Anglican primates too. Rarely seen in the wild these days.

  52. nemkat

    Dover Beach
    #27321985
    Rubbish. …. I don’t even know if Hardy was baptized a Catholic as his father was an atheist, nor whether his primary education was Catholic at all.

    Rubbish. Frank Hardy gave a Eulogy at Fred Hollows’ Funeral:
    One of Fred’s doctor colleagues delivers a eulogy. Some hymns are sung. One of Fred’s kids speaks movingly, and then Frank Hardy delivers a second, major eulogy.

    Hardy excels himself. He underlines, in a dignified way, that both Fred and himself were Marxists and non-believers, though he establishes a nice touch of unity with the congregation by referring to his own start in life as a Catholic altar boy. He talks of Fred’s courage and his projects and his work, and of his fine rebel spirit. He has a bit of a go at the politicia
    Link.

  53. Confused Old Misfit

    Quite right IT!
    There are some unfortunately, that have been captured and tamed by the Left.
    They ought no to have been allowed out unsupervised in the first instance.

  54. Percy Popinjay

    For those not in the know, Riccardo Bosi Esq. is appearing on outsiders tomorrow morning, first up, talking about the SAS allegations.

    I have the privilege of being friends with several of Oz’s “Special Forces Communitah” and I have to say that they are gentlemen, scholars and warrior poets (and not of the Vogon’s ouvre).

    They have done more than enough to deserve our support. Tune in to this televisual feast and let’s hear some truth, rather than unfounded, preposterous collectivist j’ism (BIRM) that seeks to traduce these selfless heroes.

    You know it makes sense.

  55. nemkat

    From memory of Frank Hardy’s reported words at the service, he was an Altar Boy at St. Patricks Cathedral.

  56. egg_

    Percy Popinjay
    #2732261, posted on June 9, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    ‘Grigory Potemkin’ has the modesty of the real deal.

  57. Dr Fred Lenin

    Thr Dr Fred Institutes latest research and proposals , that before any person assumes the following jobs they must meet certain criteria . The jobs are , politician,public servant , professor ,lecturer,or journalist ,the criteria , they must spend two years working for low wages in an abattoir ,running sheep gut and working in the tripe room ,during this period they will reside in a room in a ministry of housing estate, absorbing the ethos of the underclass and recent welfare migrants .This will give them a true idea of “fairness” and “cultimulturism” . The Institute is certain that a better class of person will be placed in positions of authority ,none of this kindy to primary,secondary ,university ,top job progression ,bring a touch of “fairness” into politics and education ,the survivors will be better for the experience.

  58. So nemkat moves on without admitting his previous errors.

  59. Infidel Tiger

    So nemkat moves on without admitting his previous errors.

    He is a cock sucking liar of the highest order.

  60. Tintarella di Luna

    Some verifiable truth-telling would make a welcome change to the unverifiable garbage besmirching the reputations of SAS soldiers

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t do deference, Lizzie. Nor do I want it from others. Its too vulgar.

    Dr. BG, sometimes deference, (in my book simply recognition of position and expectations that people have about it), comes with the territory or you are being extremely rude. Vulgar, even.

    Most of the people in senior positions that I have met are very aware of the need to be open to Australian egalitarianism. Also, anyone with a TV can do my sort of fieldwork about social practices, to some extent. My personal anthropological observations show that people sit those they defer to at High Table, ask for their opinion and listen when they offer it, people are loathe to interrupt them, and they offer them more conversational space. That’s deference. It is polite on some occasions to offer it, without toadying. Toadying is the negative side of deference, an awful sucking up, and I think it is that to which you refer, Dr. BG and I am glad to hear that you don’t offer it. Nor do I.

    The point is, every society has forms of deference. And no man is an island.

  62. Makka

    Even if the SAS did throw a Taliban terrorist off a cliff…
    So what?

    There will be at least 3 other troopers who will claim to their dying breath he lost his footing while eluding capture, poor chap.

    No cause for concern. Let’s move on.

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    they must spend two years working for low wages in an abattoir ,running sheep gut and working in the tripe room ,during this period they will reside in a room in a ministry of housing estate

    Couldn’t have said it better myself, Dr. Fred.

  64. Senile Old Guy

    I have the privilege of being friends with several of Oz’s “Special Forces Communitah” and I have to say that they are gentlemen, scholars and warrior poets (and not of the Vogon’s ouvre).

    I never thought otherwise. Journalists are not known for their factual reliability.

  65. Makka

    I personally distrust the work of “investigative journalism” in respect to military campaigns as the journos rarely have the understanding of combat situations that military historians generally have.

    Any investigation into events during a military action should always and only be investigated by serving officers who themselves have been shot at by the enemy. Being judged or challenged by fking paper pushers and civie sjw’s is beyond obscene.

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Most of the people in senior positions that I have met are very aware of the need to be open to Australian egalitarianism.

    Oh, except judges. So full of themselves.

    Just my personal opinion, of course. 🙂

  67. Empire 5:5

    The Cat is a noted Journal of Record, my work is ensuring erratic contributors stick to the facts.

    Your work is lying and you’re not realising your potential.

    The ABC needs you. Why are you denying them your valued skills?

  68. cohenite

    Don’t hold back, Paul.

    Excellent commentary on the rape gang fiasco and the institutions that allowed it to flourish.

    The UK police, are a clusterfuck.

    That’s terrible; to justify what is happening by muslim dogs in England you would have to be lower than the muslim vermin who do this and take joy in their assaults on Western girls.

  69. Makka

    It’s amazing how Trump’s presence wields so much influence. A few days ago Emanuel from France and Justin from Canada were talking real tough about ganging up on the US over trade at the G7 , with Trump out of the room.

    Watch how Macron behaves like a beta boy with Trump now sitting next to him. I think Trump was a little embarrassed for him so he decided to pat his head a little;

  70. calli

    Tomix.

    Never, ever admit a mistake.

  71. Infidel Tiger

    Macron has a lot of trouble saying “no” to old people.

  72. DrBeauGan

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2732274, posted on June 9, 2018 at 3:55 pm
    Most of the people in senior positions that I have met are very aware of the need to be open to Australian egalitarianism.

    Oh, except judges. So full of themselves.

    Just my personal opinion, of course.

    Also most senior academics, (high table), CEOs of large companies, politicians and all the others you deem worthy of deference.

    I am prepared to listen to anybody, or read what they write, up to the point where they damn themselves as liars or fuckwits, or both as in nemkats case. This isn’t deference, nor even common civility, it’s just a recognition of my own ignorance and a desire to reduce it.

  73. calli

    If you want to see Anglican nuns, watch Call the Midwife.

  74. Makka

    Here’s the other beta boy hipster( down to his brown shoes), trying to look important next to POTUS. Justin looks like a nervous kid in the Principal’s office;

  75. nemkat

    dover_beach
    #2732265, posted on June 9, 2018 at 3:40 pm
    So nemkat moves on without admitting his previous errors.

    Not at all.
    Hewett’s Obit. said she was taught by Catholic Nuns. That’s good enough for me.
    Frank Hardy was an Altar Boy at St. Patricks.
    Germaine Greer was a Convent girl.
    Ellis was SDA.
    All cleared up, no need for apologies from anyone.

  76. Blue suit, tan shoes, terrible look.

  77. Boambee John

    Macbeth

    Just that I knew two men who served with US B-24s on EW duties. Both now gone to a better place.

    Wondered if you were in the same line of work.

  78. Gab

    watch Call the Midwife.

    A very good series just not enough episodes each year.

  79. DrBeauGan

    Has anybody else noticed that the Tommy Robinson story looks like an episode from the bodysnatchers? It’s as though the UK establishment and the senior police have had their brains taken over by an alien species and want to shut up the one man who can identify their alien masters.

  80. Dr Fred Lenin

    The taliban terrorist the SAS are alleged to have chucked off a cliff may have been Gay! It’s a cultural thing you know ! Flying lessons for suspected gays an old afghani custom .

  81. OldOzzie

    Outages see power prices hit the roof

    Generators at five of the six NSW coal-fired power stations were hit by outages heading into the long weekend, stripping about a third of the state’s capacity and spiking spot prices to a forecast high of $14,000 in the early evening.

    Generation units at Vales Point, Tallawarra, Liddell, Bayswater and Mount Piper went offline this week due to planned and unplanned maintenance issues, with only Eraring, the state’s biggest and most modern, operating at full capacity.

    The outages threatened a third day of shutdowns at the Tomago aluminium smelter, the state’s largest single energy user, to avoid multi-million-dollar losses on the high energy prices.

    Tomago chief executive Matt Howell said Australia was at a crisis point with its energy system because it was losing baseload generation needed for heavy industry.

    “This is a direct result of renewable energy hollowing out the baseload generation in this country,” Mr Howell said.

    Since the closure of the Northern and Hazelwood coal plants only new wind and solar capacity had been built, but it was not suitable for heavy industry.

    Tomago had to shut down one of its three aluminium potlines for 45 minutes on Tuesday evening and two others for an hour each on Thursday to avoid exposures to peak energy prices. The shutdowns reduced demand by 300MW.

    Mr Howell said that at $14,000 per MWh — the maximum allowed in the National Electricity Market — it would cost $200,000 to make a tonne of aluminium and the plant would lose $5 million an hour.

    “If we want to be a nation that makes things, rather than one that imports all of its needs, we must have internationally affordable and reliable energy — a system that can reliably deliver, independently of the weather,” Mr Howell said.

    The Australian Energy Market Operator said NSW lost 3800MW of generation capacity this week, nearly a third of its 12,000MW installed coal generation capacity.

    It coincided with overcast and low-wind weather that limited renewables generation and forced NSW to draw more heavily on power from Queensland and Victoria.

    Spot prices calculated on five-minute intervals jumped to almost $300 in NSW, more than double the prices in other states, heading into the evening demand peak period.

    It came in a week in which two of the three biggest retailers and generators, AGL Energy and ­Origin Energy, announced modest falls in retail electricity prices.

    AEMO said the conditions did not lead to any “involuntary load shedding” — industry speak for blackouts.

    “While a number of generating units in NSW were out of service due to planned maintenance, this had no impact on reserve conditions,” AEMO said in a statement.

    “A further two unplanned forced outages, however, did ­result in 1320MW dropping out of the market and resulted in tighter reserve levels.”

    One of the four 420MW generators at AGL’s Liddell plant will be out for up to six weeks, while a second unit has been “derated” to around two-thirds of its capacity so that it can operate safely.

    Two of the 660MW units at the adjacent Bayswater plant have suffered boiler tube leaks that took them out of action at the same time as a third unit was out for scheduled maintenance

    The founder of Global-Roam consultancy Paul McArdle said only 6000MW of NSW coal ­capacity was available yesterday, which was an improvement on Thursday, but about 2000MW less than at the same time last week.

    From the Comments

    – Team Turnbull, you’re on notice. Rudd now on pink bats. In good time it will be your time to be dragged before the courts and held accountable for deliberately subjecting citizens to your ruinous energy policies in full knowledge of their utter futility in the quest to reduce global warming and overwhelmed, in any event, by increased emissions from China and India. Rest uneasy, the whole miserable lot of you.

    – More of these factual reports, please, devoid of Team Turnbull’s lies and spin about cheaper power.

    – Unwarp the “market” and things might improve. Until then we’re on a slippery slope to Veneztralia.

    – We are being done like a dinner folks. I would love to see where Turnbull has the bulk of his two hundred million invested!

    – Where are those renewable lu vies Turnbull and Josh

  82. Makka

    It’s as though the UK establishment and the senior police have had their brains taken over by an alien species and want to shut up the one man who can identify their alien masters.

    There was an article posted here from a lawyer type explaining why Robinson was arrested and charged. If Robinson had carried on, the low life scum he was railing against at court would have the grounds to get off on grounds of not receiving fair justice due to the media coverage. He was banged up because he already was on suspended sentencing or some such for contempt of court.

    If all that was accurate, Robinson certainly knew where his actions were taking him. His message is certainly clear, his cause undeniably righteous. He’s putting his freedom on the line in efforts to expose these moslem POS’s and also the UK political sewer.

  83. From the entry in the Australian Poetry Library:

    Dorothy Hewett was born on 21 May 1923 in Perth, Western Australia but spent her early years on a isolated farm in the Western Australian wheat belt. Until she returned to Perth at the age of twelve to attend secondary school she was educated through correspondence lessons. She began to write poetry while she was still a child, with the aid of correspondence lessons in poetry appreciation and writing skills. In 1938 one of her poems, ‘Dreaming’, written when she was nine years old, was published in an anthology of work by school children. A collection of Hewett’s juvenilia, including poems and a play, was published in 2009 as The Gypsy Dancer and Early Poems. After completing her schooling at Perth College, Hewett commenced an Arts degree at the University of Western Australia. She continued to write prolifically and a poem by her was published in the leading Melbourne literary magazine, Meanjin, when she was nineteen. She left university without completing her degree, marrying lawyer and communist writer Lloyd Davies in 1944, with whom she had a son, who died from leukaemia at the age of three. In 1945 she was awarded first prize in a national poetry competition conducted by the ABC.

    Perth College is an Anglican school which at this time would have employed Anglican nuns. As CL suggested earlier, the leftist morons at the Age, believing there are only Catholic nuns, assumed the mention of nuns involved Catholicism.

  84. DrBeauGan

    He was banged up because he already was on suspended sentencing or some such for contempt of court.

    On the evidence, the courts deserve contempt, Makka. The argument that he was making it harder to nail the criminal scum would carry more weight if the bloody justice system had a record of administering Justice. Instead of obstructing it.

    I think the idea that a good many of the so called ‘elites’ have had their brains taken over has got something going for it. It’s leftism rather than a pink blob from outer space, but the effects are similar.

  85. Boambee John

    Did one of the trolls quote Fauxfacts as a reliable source? ROFLMAO.

  86. OldOzzie

    Christine Nixon the Second

    London Police Boss Hides Behind Dodgy Murder Figures, Trauma Care Advances in Questionable Crime Levels Claim

    London police chief Cressida Dick’s ’’decision to include victims of the 7/7 terror bombings in her figures when defending her force’s performance amid an apparent London crimewave has been seriously questioned, with the matter referred to the Home Affairs Select Committee.

    Dick, Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis under Labour Mayor Sadiq Khan, raised eyebrows when she dismissed concerns about murders in the British capital — where monthly homicides outstripped New York City for the first time in centuries in February and March — by selectively using statistics to overstate claims about London’s declining crime rate.

    “If you compare the homicide rate … when I was a commander in the Met 12 years ago it was 250 and I can remember investigating the murders of young people at that time,” she told the Home Affairs Select Committee earlier this week.

    “I regret every single [murder] but I do think we have to have some context.”

    It has now been revealed that she was talking about 2005, when 52 people were killed by radical Islamic terrorists in a series of suicide terror bombings targeting the public transport network after The Times raised queries over the statistics.

    In contrast, the terror killings at Westminster Bridge, London Bridge, Borough Market, and Finsbury Park were not included in annual figures for 2017, and victims of terrorism are not typically included when trying to determine trends in the murder rate in general.

  87. Macbeth

    Boambee J.
    The B24s to which I referred were in fact American. Had I think a few Australians as gunners. They flew from what was their secret base 100 miles inland at Corunna Downs.

  88. London police chief Cressida Dick’s ’’decision …

    Competition for guessing the nickname is open now.

    “Da Dick” is my bet.

  89. OldOzzie

    WSJ – The Climate-Change Tort Racket

    Liberal cities join the contingency-fee bar to shake down oil firms.

    By The Editorial Board

    Liberals want to use racketeering laws to prosecute so-called climate-change skeptics. But the real conspiracy may be between plaintiff lawyers and Democratic politicians who have ganged up to shake down oil companies.

    San Francisco, Oakland, New York and Seattle have sued five global oil giants—BP, Chevron , ConocoPhillips , ExxonMobil and Royal Dutch Shell —for billions in future damages from climate change. Brass-knuckled plaintiff firm Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro has been shopping around the lawsuit to other cities desperate for cash.

    No court has recognized common-law claims for injuries supposedly caused by climate change, and the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in AEP v. Connecticut (2011) that the Clean Air Act pre-empts public nuisance torts against corporations for greenhouse-gas emissions. So the cities are now arguing that the mere production and promotion of fossil fuels create a public nuisance, and the suits are heading to court.

    San Francisco and Oakland were counting on a home courtroom advantage with their choice of legal venue give that climate change is something of a religion in California. But Clinton-appointed federal Judge William Alsup is calling fouls as he sees them.

    “We won the Second World War with fossil fuels. If we didn’t have fossil fuels, we would have lost that war and every other war,” the judge mused during a recent hearing. “And so we have gotten a huge benefit from the use of fossil fuels, right?” Plaintiff attorney Steve Berman agreed.

    Judge Alsup also pointed out that the federal government and states have encouraged the production of fossil fuels. “If the nation is saying, ‘please do it,’ how can we hold them liable for that?” he asked.

    The cities’ ostensible trump card was a document purporting to show that the oil companies concealed evidence that they knew for decades that fossil fuels contribute to global warming. But as the judge noted, this “smoking gun” was merely a “slide show that somebody had gone to the [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] and was reporting on what the IPCC had reported, and that was it. Nothing more.”

    When Judge Alsup asked for an example of an out-of-pocket cost that San Francisco has paid due to climate change, Mr. Berman replied: “We have people that we’ve had to employ, outside consultants, to study global warming. Had to hire them to figure out how high the sea wall should be.”

    Even this was contradicted by a 2017 San Francisco general-obligation bond document that says “the City is unable to predict whether sea-level rise or other impacts of climate change or flooding from a major storm will occur.” If Mr. Berman is right, then the Securities and Exchange Commission should prosecute San Francisco for a fraudulent bond offering.

    Cities are demanding billions for an “abatement fund” that will help backfill their budgets. San Francisco schools’ retirement costs have more than doubled since 2012. New York City subways are in disrepair, which its lawyers attribute to hurricane damage caused by climate change but everyone knows is the result of decades of neglect. The real public nuisances in these progressive sanctuaries are vagrancy, public urination and open drug use that are all increasingly common.

    Hagens Berman, which has negotiated a 23.5% contingency fee in the San Francisco and Oakland cases, is hoping the oil giants will pay to make the lawsuits go away, which may be tempting as cases pile up. Federal Judge John Keenan is reviewing a motion to dismiss New York City’s lawsuit on June 13. But by fighting the lawsuits, the companies are giving the public a valuable education in the monetary self-interest behind climate-change politics.

    Appeared in the June 9, 2018, print edition.

  90. Generators at five of the six NSW coal-fired power stations were hit by outages heading into the long weekend, stripping about a third of the state’s capacity and spiking spot prices to a forecast high of $14,000 in the early evening …

    A giant (and agile) technological leap forward.

    Don’t worry folks. Mal’s relos are making are killing. All is well.

  91. H B Bear

    Overland was the one who had real problems with VicPol, Australia’s most politicised police force. Nixon’s main problem was that she is a fat, burger munching, affirmative action stooge.

  92. Peter Castieau

    Percy P,

    Thanks for the heads up about Riccardo B. being on Outsiders tomorrow morning. A must see.

  93. OldOzzie

    WSJ – A Democrat Dissents on the Mueller Probe

    Mark Penn helped design the Clinton campaign against Ken Starr. He says he’s being consistent.

    By Jason Willick

    President Trump opened the week in a typical fashion, angrily denouncing special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. But Mr. Trump appealed to an unlikely authority: Mark Penn, the Democratic pollster who guided President Clinton through his second-term scandals and then served as chief strategist for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign.

    “ ‘Why are there people from the Clinton Foundation on the Mueller Staff?’ ” the president tweeted, paraphrasing Mr. Penn’s appearance on Fox News. “ ‘Why is there an Independent Counsel? To go after people and their families for unrelated offenses…Constitution was set up to prevent this…Stormtrooper tactics almost.’ A disgrace!”

    Mr. Penn, now a lecturer at Harvard and a private-equity investor, has condemned the Mueller probe both on television and in columns for the Hill newspaper. These broadsides have turned heads in Washington, especially among fellow Democratic political professionals, who accuse him of selling out. Hillary Clinton’s longtime aide Philippe Reines told the New York Times that Mr. Penn is “making a play for something.” Top Obama adviser David Axelrod charged on Twitter that Mr. Penn’s “reemergence as Mueller-basher seems less like courageous truthtelling than cynical opportunism.”

    Mr. Penn says it is his detractors who are putting political interest over principle. “There were not enough Republicans who came out in ’98 against the process,” he tells me, “and there are not enough Democrats who are coming out against the process now.”

    By “the process” Mr. Penn means the use of legal tools to settle political differences, a phenomenon he sees as getting worse. “If all politics, even after elections, becomes the politics of personal destruction and destroying our opponents rather than fighting for the next election,” he asks, “what will be left of an ideas-based democracy?”

    Mr. Penn helped design what he calls Team Clinton’s “aggressive campaign” against the Kenneth Starr investigation. That inquiry originated with suspicions about the Clintons ’ Arkansas land dealings and culminated with Mr. Clinton’s impeachment for perjury and obstruction of justice in testimony arising from a sexual-harassment lawsuit. Mr. Penn sees strong similarities between then and now: “In 1998, the country was being torn apart in an investigation that had gone on for many years and then had segued into some other area, after having really not found anything in the areas in which it was set up.”

    The process has intensified this time, as Mr. Trump takes on a more personal role than Mr. Clinton did. Mr. Penn also highlights the involvement of Mr. Obama’s former law-enforcement and intelligence chiefs, including Jim Comey, Jim Clapper and John Brennan. “It’s not unprecedented for a president to criticize an independent or special counsel,” he says. “It is unprecedented for people like Comey, Clapper and Brennan to go out and become full-bore political figures on the talk show circuit blasting the president as though they are pundits and not intelligence professionals.”

    In addition to corroding “ideas-based” politics, Mr. Penn believes special-counsel investigations can push administration policy toward the extremes. He is credited with helping nudge Mr. Clinton into the political center in the mid-1990s. But in 1998, he says, Mr. Clinton had to retreat leftward to keep his party united behind him: “Those were the votes for acquittal in impeachment.”

    Could the threat from the Russia probe force Mr. Trump to lean more heavily on his populist base? Mr. Penn is certain it already has affected the administration’s calculus on foreign policy. “If the idea was to use Russia as a fulcrum against Iran and China, that policy got blown up,” he says. “It’s not irrational policy,” but “the investigation made it impossible.”

    The overarching problem, Mr. Penn contends, is that when law-enforcement agencies conduct “impeachment investigations,” it creates “a separation of powers problem.” He therefore recommends undertaking such probes “only when things are on the surest of grounds.”

    Absent a smoking gun, in other words, Congress should take the investigative lead. But what if the political system is so polarized, as now, that lawmakers would be reluctant to challenge a president of their own party? “Elections come around every two years in this country,” he says. While lawyers often view the legal process as the key to accountability, Mr. Penn, a pollster, has a sunny optimism in the ability of the electorate to play that role.

    He insists he has been consistent on this point, and there’s a paper trail to prove it. As a college sophomore in 1973, amid the Watergate scandal but before the release of President Nixon’s incriminating White House tapes, Mr. Penn wrote in the Harvard Crimson that the special prosecutor was a “ ‘quasi-constitutional’ mechanism” and that impeachment efforts should proceed with caution.

    Critics may object that Mr. Penn has not been a Democrat in good standing for some time. He co-wrote an op-ed last summer urging the party to “move to the center” on cultural issues and focus on defending the Affordable Care Act. He says this advice is “as valid, if not more valid” today, and he hopes Democrats in 2020 pick a moderate nominee who will lead in that direction. He rejects the view that Democrats can win back power by doubling down on their current coalition. “I don’t think it’s possible for the Democratic Party to become a majority party without winning back the working class,” Mr. Penn says, “and continuing to make advancements in the suburbs and particularly with independent women.”

    Mr. Penn cites the GOP’s choice of Mitt Romney in 2012 as evidence that a party can moderate. “I don’t think anybody expected during the peak times of the tea party that the Republicans would nominate people like Romney, ” he says. With the right standard-bearer, moving to the center “is a process Democrats could well undertake.”

    Is Mr. Penn’s polemical anti-Mueller commentary a sign that he has been seduced by the GOP? No, he insists: Republicans also show no sign of occupying the middle ground that Mr. Clinton once did. But perhaps Mr. Penn’s policy instincts and his hostility to special counsels are related. If politics is a process of messy compromise through which ideas are recontested every two years, then it makes sense to respect election results and meet voters where they are. On the other hand, if the aim of politics is a decisive ideological triumph, then it makes sense to double down on your existing base and support any means, including criminal investigations, to force rivals out of power.

    Mr. Penn’s rhetoric on Mr. Mueller has been excessive, but perhaps his views simply reflect a more pragmatic approach to politics—an approach that, alas, may be out of date.

    Mr. Willick is an assistant editorial features editor at the Journal.

  94. woolfe

    I’m sure that pumping water uphill will fix it.

  95. I’m sure that pumping water uphill will fix it.

    Sure will, after the lieborals legislate that water is allowed to run uphill.

  96. cuckoo

    Handshakes. Ian Fleming was obsessed with them as an indicator of personality, and good guys in the Bond books always have “firm, dry” handshakes. The bad guys not so much. (Well, at least Dr. No certainly had a firm dry hand.) Can’t believe some of the guys I meet who offer you a rubber glove full of custard to shake. At least that’s what it feels like.

  97. Fresh posts on Ayers Rock including busting the myth that less than 20% of visitors climb, and some great photos of the summit pedestal being constructed in 1970. Would you believe there’s a spelling mistake on it? Read on…

    https://righttoclimb.blogspot.com

  98. Boambee John

    Macbeth

    Thanks. There were RAAF B-24s in the NT later in the war.

  99. DrBeauGan

    My dear old dad had a firm dry handshake. In fact it was so firm he used to crush people’s hands up to the wrist. Not, I think, intentionally.

  100. Senile Old Guy

    Of course, the LNP can legislate for water to run uphill. Remember?

    Turnbull: “Well the laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” he said.

  101. nemkat

    More Dorothy Hewett,in her old age, on how much she hated Australia.
    Looks like abolishing Tariffs and Protection was a goal of the Marxists.

    It’s a looking backwards, because all those, particularly those farming communities that are backing Pauline Hanson — what they want back is the past — that long, golden, sleepy time. You know when there were tariffs to protect everything, when we were the white outpost in South East Asia.
    Link http://jacketmagazine.com/09/moor-iv-hewe.html

  102. Shy Ted

    Hereafter, all bathrooms, restrooms, loos, toilets, public conveniences, water closets and dunnies will be named after my close relative Shy Touse, to avoid confusion.

  103. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    INDIGENOUS
    Whitefellas must stop lecturing indigenous on children: Shorten

    The Australian
    12:00AM June 9, 2018
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    Rachel Baxendale
    Reporter
    Canberra
    @rachelbaxendale

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has been accused of hypocrisy and slammed as “the most paternalistic whitefella” following remarks he made on a visit to the Northern Territory.

    Mr Shorten yesterday declared too many indigenous children were being taken away from their families, highlighting his promise to hold a summit to tackle the issue in the first 100 days of a Labor government.

    Visiting the Northern Territory community of Barunga, east of Katherine, the Labor leader hit out at “know-it-all whitefellas” who “come in paternalistic”, reiterating a promise first made in February to hold a gathering of indigenous leaders, healthcare workers and families to discuss problems and give indigenous Australians “self-determination” over the issue.

    “The last thing they need is some know-it-all whitefella to come in paternalistic, as has been happening for 200 years, and say, ‘listen you’re just children and we’ll just fix it all for you’,” Mr Shorten said.

    “Too many indigenous kids are being taken away from their families. In the last 10 years the number has doubled to about 17,000 or 18,000

    “When you take kids away from their connection to culture and country, to language and to family, you make the chances of their success steeper and steeper. The climb is steeper and steeper.

    But Indigenous leader Jacinta Price hit out at Mr Shorten’s comments, saying he was “full of hypocrisy” and “utterly removed” from the reality of indigenous dysfunction.

    “He has come through as the most paternalistic whitefella who is completely removed from the circumstances that these children live in,” she said.

    The Alice Springs councillor and Liberal candidate for the Northern Territory seat of Lingiari said the Opposition Leader had not listened to Aboriginal women like herself and those in Tennant Creek, who had called for children to be removed from dangerous situations after a toddler was raped in the town in February, having ­remained with her family despite 52 notifications to child protection services.

    “He is utterly removed from any kind of dysfunctional Aboriginal culture and his children sleep safe at night in bed,” Ms Price said.

    “He’s clearly demonstrated that he does not have the children’s rights and wellbeing first and foremost.

    “He cares more for the dysfunctional adults of the children’s families who do not deserve to parent these children.”

    From the Oz. Game. set and match to Jacinta Price. Thanks for playing, Bill. Better luck next time.

  104. Fresh posts on Ayers Rock including busting the myth that less than 20% of visitors climb, and some great photos of the summit pedestal being constructed in 1970. Would you believe there’s a spelling mistake on it? Read on…

    Just watched that 1970’s Ozzi kung-fu chop ’em up movie, “The Man from Hong Kong”.
    It begins with a scene at Ayers Rock, in a sequence the includes a kung fu fight high up on the rock.
    They’re actually breaking pieces of Ayers Rock off, and throwing them at each other.

  105. C.L.

    Don’t hold back, Paul.

    Excellent account. Thanks for posting.
    My old point still stands: if British males haven’t responded by dealing out their own justice to these police and CPS criminals and perverts (whose crimes are itemised in that lecture), that tells you Britain is lost.

  106. Makka

    “He is utterly removed from any kind of dysfunctional Aboriginal culture and his children sleep safe at night in bed,” Ms Price said.

    He’s clearly demonstrated that he does not have the children’s rights and wellbeing first and foremost.

    “He cares more for the dysfunctional adults of the children’s families who do not deserve to parent these children.”

    Powerful words from Jacinta, the aboriginal voice of reason and common sense. Well done indeed.

  107. johanna

    Shy Ted
    #2732335, posted on June 9, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    Hereafter, all bathrooms, restrooms, loos, toilets, public conveniences, water closets and dunnies will be named after my close relative Shy Touse, to avoid confusion.

    I like the old fashioned Aussie term ‘thunderbox.’

  108. Baldrick

    Marc
    #2732325, posted on June 9, 2018 at 5:14 pm
    Fresh posts on Ayers Rock including busting the myth that less than 20% of visitors climb…

    Cheers Marc. Leftards lie about everything, all the time.

  109. zyconoclast

    One cheek or two cheek kissing? It is always a dilemma.
    I always wait a short moment to see if I need to proffer the other cheek.
    Is that where ‘turn the other cheek’ comes from?
    I only do one cheek kissing when I am the initiator, although some expect two.
    You have to catch up quickly then.

    Some cultures do a three kiss sequence.
    Traditionally, even the blokes do it.

  110. Geriatric Mayfly

    Don’t know where our tally man has gone, but PJMedia is keeping an eye on matters.

    Ramadan 2018 Death Toll So Far: 355

  111. zyconoclast

    Wow, just wow and he’s young too.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5820445/Austrias-right-wing-government-plans-shut-mosques-expel-imams.html

    We just need him to invade Germany and repeat the process there.

  112. zyconoclast

    Sweden’s playful Princess Leonore steals the spotlight at her baby sister’s spectacular christening as she skips BAREFOOT alongside her mother Madeleine

    I thought they had escaped the diversity/cultural enrichment.
    I then got to the 9th picture and it looks like that Episcopalian Curry got an invite to this royal event as well.
    It must be his European tour.

  113. SMH Good Weekend Quiz.
    ” In which African country did Israel seize 100 hostages in 1977?”
    I’m sure they mean rescue.

    Probably a couple of decades too early to get away with calling it “Israeli theft of 100 pieces of Palestinian property”.

  114. jupes

    Mr Hastie said: “War is a terrible, degrading thing. Our soldiers have had to make tough decisions in complex, dangerous and uncertain environments. People are imperfect. But I also believe that everyone who wears the uniform is accountable to the Australian people. That is why these grave allegations of war crimes must be ­answered.”

    This is a disgraceful comment from Hastie. After being a subject himself of the four year ‘cutting off hands’ incident, he of all people should know that “answering grave allegations” is actually a thoroughly flawed process that is a punishment in itself. Far better to go the Trump method and call the investigation exactly what it is: a witch hunt.

    Already the ADF Inspector General has been ‘investigating’ these allegations for three years. Remember the fuckwit made a public call for rumours from the public about a year ago? Seriously, what a travesty of justice. He is due to release his findings at the end of the year. Any recommendations for prosecutions will no doubt put soldiers through several more years of unnecessary bullshit.

    However, even if there are no prosecutions, you can rest assured that the report will recommend ‘cultural’ change with the intended result of emasculating the SAS. There is no doubt that this is exactly the result that the top brass want. That is exactly why Lt Gen Sengleman hired a feminist to conduct the initial inquiry.

    After reading the feminist’s stupid report, Angus Campbell (as Chief of the Army) asked the Chief of the ADF to call in the IG. Three years later, Campbell will be Chief of the ADF himself when the report is released. This has all the appearance of a stich-up to emasculate the SAS. There is no other way to look at it.

    Sickening.

  115. egg_

    Mal’s relos are making are killing.

    It would be worth the Nation’s while to pay these grifters to keep their cotton picking hands orff teh Grid.

  116. egg_

    Back Roads with Heather Ewart – does she use Teh Scrote’s face as a road map?

  117. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare #2732162, posted on June 9, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    * I think Macbeth is in his hundredth decade, our oldest commenter.

    Quite a feat indeed!
    Methuselah only made it to the 97th decade.

  118. egg_

    The laws of mathematics are very commendable…

    How many negative Newspolls, fvcktard?

  119. calli

    Methuselah only made it to the 97th decade.

    Heh.

    And sometimes I feel just like him.

  120. Percy P,
    Thanks for the heads up about Riccardo B. being on Outsiders tomorrow morning. A must see.

    +1
    Riccardo is not known for holding back in televised debate. Should be good watching. Hope he tears Scroteface a new one.

  121. Vicki

    Jupes, I think you should cut Hastie some slack for the very reason (the personal campaign against him) that you cite. If Hastie came out too strongly against the allegations, it would look like “he protesteth too much”. He is in an invidious position.

    Like others, I am unsure exactly where Angus Campbell stands. I find it difficult to believe he is as totally screwed up on PC issues as, say, Morrison was. He did a damn good job with the Border Security gig. He appeared to me to be more of a “soldier’s general”, rather than a bureaucrat, but I could be wrong.

    I do agree that there are vipers out there out to emasculate the SAS. That has been apparent for some time. It would be a tragedy if the whole fiasco led to a destruction of our elite divisions which have been respected by allied armed forces throughout the world for a considerable time.

  122. Baldrick

    This is a disgraceful comment from Hastie.

    Hastie’s a sell-out Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.
    Instead of escalating he’s quite happy bending over and taking one for the team.

  123. herodotus

    Sydney based, moi? Yes, Lizzie.

  124. Roger

    Game. set and match to Jacinta Price. Thanks for playing, Bill. Better luck next time.

    Bill might want to consider a strategic withdrawal due to a pulled pectoral muscle next time.

  125. Baldrick

    If Hastie came out too strongly against the allegations, it would look like “he protesteth too much”. He is in an invidious position.

    Hastie’s been infected by The Andrew Bolt disease, “I must appease my detractors even though I know they will never like me or support me.”

  126. Rockdoctor

    Vicki
    #2732364, posted on June 9, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    Posted yesterday. Friend of mine served under him when he was still a field grade rank. Said he was an average commander, unremarkable as an officer in his opinion despite having the SAS background. However only noticeable downside he said was Campbell was very two faced.

  127. zyconoclast

    And some thought the executive poo jogger was a big deal.

    MSU health physicist charged with b3stiality

    A Michigan State University health physicist was charged Monday with committing b3stiality against a dog, an accusation that one expert said reflects that this crime against nature happens more often than realized.

    Joseph Alan Hattey, 51, of Holt, allegedly penetrated a dog with both his hands and p3nis, according to the Michigan Attorney General’s Office.

    A witness reported the alleged crimes to the Ingham County Sheriff’s Department and Animal Control, said Andrea Bitely, spokeswoman for the Michigan Attorney General’s office.

  128. zyconoclast

    Miss Plus America

    Scroll through the gallery

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Percy P,
    Thanks for the heads up about Riccardo B. being on Outsiders tomorrow morning. A must see.

    For we Luddites, does this program stream later on? I’m otherwise engaged tomorrow morning. (NOT, I hasten to add, being on my knees in church.)

  130. Frank

    Miss Plus America

    You swine.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hastie’s been infected by The Andrew Bolt disease, “I must appease my detractors even though I know they will never like me or support me.”

    Tony Abbott suffered a severe dose.

  132. Nick

    Serena, it’s Outsiders, not Insiders.

  133. Infidel Tiger

    Woke Hastie.

    Kunt.

    Someone should frag him.

  134. miltonf

    I never thought much of Trumble but didn’t think he’d be capable trashing the real economy. Oh for the days when Canberra had nothing to do with electricity generation and we had sane (relatively) state governments.

  135. Top Ender

    I do agree that there are vipers out there out to emasculate the SAS.

    There is a quite an element in Western society that believes a major shooting war will never happen again.

    Therefore, they reason, we may as well do away with all these macho uniformed types.

    And while we’re doing it, we’ll convert them into a branch of the public service so we can make a powerbase out them.

    You see a lot of it also with modification of the rules of combat, yadda yadda.

    For example:
    – get rid of bayonets
    – no attacking wounded, even if they are still armed and dangerous
    – prisoner surrender must always be taken, even if it imperils your own side
    – civilians must never be attacked, even if they are reaching for a weapon and about to become a combatant
    – submarines should never attack anything except warships
    – air bombings must only attack “military targets” whatever that means
    – we must never ever attack first

    and so on.

  136. Serena, it’s Outsiders, not Insiders.

    Oic, how stupid of me.
    Thank you Nick. Even sans the theatre of leathery being read his horoscope, it will be good watching.

  137. Not sure this applies to Chris Masters, IT, as I heard that he was “embedded” for a time with our blokes in Afghanistan.

    Is that embedded as in Green Zone embedded, or going with the blokes to get the story?

  138. None

    Re Austria expulsions:

    Parallel societies, political Islam and radicalisation have no place in our country

    That message should be on our out leaders’ lips too. What is interesting is that the mums who will be expelled are actually being funded by the Turkish government and even more interesting is that some of the scandal that precipitated closer examination of these moths were them having children reenact Gallipoli. The Turks have generally being quiet and assimilated here in Australia but somehow I feel that’s about to change. Erdogan is a dangerous man.

  139. None

    You might want to consider the possibility that Hastie is calling people’s bluff.

  140. DrBeauGan

    There is a quite an element in Western society that believes a major shooting war will never happen again.

    Therefore, they reason, we may as well do away with all these macho uniformed types.

    They’ve got a case. These days you don’t invade another country with armed soldiers. You do it with women and children and post the guns to them for later use. And you disarm the enemy by infiltrating his government and police force with a loony ideology that tells them to accept you. Then they disarm the citizens for you. You hardly need to fire a shot until it comes time to execute the traitorous government.

  141. C.L.

    If Hastie came out too strongly against the allegations, it would look like “he protesteth too much”. He is in an invidious position.

    ———-
    Hastie’s been infected by The Andrew Bolt disease, “I must appease my detractors even though I know they will never like me or support me.”

    Yep. We’ve got to kill this bullshit notion – this zombie undead notion – that conservatives (I prefer ‘rightists’) exhibit tactical smarts by withdrawing and hanging fire as small targets. No no. All you do by withdrawing and playing by The Rules is advertise your own unwillingness to make a case (which leftists then media-package as timidity born of culpability). You must escalate constantly. And then when you’re done escalating, escalate. The Bolt show trial, for example, should have been killed off by Liberal parliamentarians slamming the Labor judge and getting the message out – constantly – that it was a fraudulent process. Same for George Pell. Same for the SAS. It’s time for all niceties conventionally afforded the judiciary, the ADF brass, parliamentary inquiries and the police to be indefinitely suspended by the right.

  142. stackja

    WW2 would have been fought by what rules? Imperial Japan didn’t follow rules. Allies would today be expected to not demand unconditional surrender?

  143. jupes

    Jupes, I think you should cut Hastie some slack for the very reason (the personal campaign against him) that you cite. If Hastie came out too strongly against the allegations, it would look like “he protesteth too much”. He is in an invidious position.

    I’m not cutting him any slack. He is in the perfect position to call this for what it is. Where’s his moral courage?

    Like others, I am unsure exactly where Angus Campbell stands. I find it difficult to believe he is as totally screwed up on PC issues as, say, Morrison was. He did a damn good job with the Border Security gig. He appeared to me to be more of a “soldier’s general”, rather than a bureaucrat, but I could be wrong.

    You are wrong. There is no doubt where Campbell stands – to the left of David Morrison. He has taken Morrison’s ball and ran harder with it, even giving all available infantry positions to women. He is emasculating the Army at a faster rate than Morrison and is a traitor to the nation he is paid to serve.

  144. DrBeauGan

    It’s time for all niceties conventionally afforded the judiciary, the ADF brass, parliamentary inquiries and the police to be indefinitely suspended by the right.

    You must be thinking of Cory Bernardi, CL. There doesn’t seem to be anyone else.

  145. stackja

    MSM are showing usual stupidity over ADF.

  146. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Herodotus, ask Sinc for my email. You asked me for a coffee nearly ten years Go. Maybe it is time. 🙂

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ago. Wretched phone.

  148. Motelier

    Whoever post that link to Ms LARGE America must report to the re-education room for training immediately.

    I initially thought it was a joke page set up by a smartarse photographer with one of thise tricky lens.

    But Nooooooooo!

    Where do I register a complaint because I am offended.

  149. John Constantine

    There is no Australia, only their transnational left that are loyal citizens of Comintern, and bitter clinging holdouts, grasping to an outpost of a toppling evil colonial empire.

    The clinging outpost has been capable of deploying force in support of western interests, but their lefts revolutionary saboteurs are dismantling this capacity to deploy.

    The multi fronted revolution to decolonise Australia like Zimbabwe and South Africa and Kenya and Hong Kong were decolonised has removing military contribution to non Stalinist causes as a required non negotiable outcome.

    Comrades.

  150. Nick

    I like Trump, he’s ignoring the last sessions on climate change and is going home lol

  151. stackja

    We have MSM reports on ADF in harm’s way. Who is gullible to believe? Didn’t ADF supposedly do ‘misdeeds’ during OSB?

  152. Neil

    Hastie’s been infected by The Andrew Bolt disease

    I sort of get what u are trying to say but Bolt has put up with more abuse than anyone who posts here put together.

  153. nemkat

    jupes
    #273234
    Mr Hastie said: “War is a terrible, degrading thing. Our soldiers have had to make tough decisions in complex, dangerous and uncertain environments. People are imperfect. But I also believe that everyone who wears the uniform is accountable to the Australian people. That is why these grave allegations of war crimes must be ­answered.”
    That’s a completely reasonable statement, and good on him for saying it.

  154. Calli;

    If you want to see Anglican nuns, watch Call the Midwife.

    Oh Noes!
    The child bride bought the damn thing last Christmas. She has watched the series FOUR BLOODY TIMES!
    For weeks on end, the living room has been a charnel house of blood, dying, wailing, screaming, women, dying children, weeping relatives, and stoical nurses and doctors.

    There would be less grief if the SAS had questioned a couple of dozen Taliban before throwing them off cliffs, while having a week long session in the ORs boozer.

  155. a reader

    Oh FFS…not this welcome to country bs

  156. a reader

    I don’t need to be welcomed to my own country

  157. nemkat

    I’m not cutting him any slack. He is in the perfect position to call this for what it is. Where’s his moral courage?
    If the allegations turn out to be true, why should he carry the can for murderers in the SAS?

  158. twostix

    Has anybody else noticed that the Tommy Robinson story looks like an episode from the bodysnatchers? It’s as though the UK establishment and the senior police have had their brains taken over by an alien species and want to shut up the one man who can identify their alien masters.

    It’s simply the old english order reasserting itself after last century’s strange historical anomaly where the english everyman, for the first time in 900 years, thanks to the industrial revolution, and two massive upheavals, wrestled control of the english nation into his own hands.

    England has always been like this. The english ruling class have always treated the commoners with raging contempt and degradation like this, we’re just not used to seeing it. The england we saw, the 1890’s-1960’s England that Australians imagine when they imagine England was the product of a revolution.

    What is happening now is the counter revolution.

  159. nemkat

    Hastie’s been infected by The Andrew Bolt disease

    Bolt is a fake conservative who’s gone missing on Immigration and Multiculturalism.
    Hastie is well known as a former member of the SAS, this is the 2nd time since he was elected that alleged misconduct in the SAS has become an issue for him.

    By the sounds, Andrew Hastie has got the goods, and the knives are out for him.

  160. cohenite

    They’ve got a case. These days you don’t invade another country with armed soldiers. You do it with women and children and post the guns to them for later use. And you disarm the enemy by infiltrating his government and police force with a loony ideology that tells them to accept you. Then they disarm the citizens for you. You hardly need to fire a shot until it comes time to execute the traitorous government.

    Won’t work with islam; they have women figured out.

  161. Boambee John

    CL at 1915

    No no. All you do by withdrawing and playing by The Rules is advertise your own unwillingness to make a case (which leftists then media-package as timidity born of culpability). You must escalate constantly. And then when you’re done escalating, escalate.

    The way to escalate is to use The Rules against them. Alinsky’s rules can be used by anyone, and as the saying goes “They don’t like (The Rules) up ’em”.

  162. cohenite

    Bolt is a fake conservative who’s gone missing on Immigration and Multiculturalism.

    No. That would apply 5 or more years ago; since a pack of lefties had a shot at him he thinks multiculturalism is what it is: complete bullshit.

  163. H B Bear

    nemsock must be double time by now.

  164. Dr Beau Gan;

    On the evidence, the courts deserve contempt, Makka. The argument that he was making it harder to nail the criminal scum would carry more weight if the bloody justice system had a record of administering Justice. Instead of obstructing it.

    The reality is that TR was reading out a press release that the BBC was broadcasting.
    Europe is a long way down the road to that Dystopic State so beloved of SF writers.

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I don’t need to be welcomed to my own country

    It’s adding insult to injury when the powers that be organize a “welcome to country” before the ANZAC day service.

  166. cohenite

    The RU test with Ireland commenced with what looked like a banker in a suit with stripes on his face blowing into a wooden phallic symbol; I presume he was the token aboriginal, or is it these days the token RU test? But anyway at least the players did not kneel during the anthem and in fact sang their hearts out.

  167. H B Bear

    Someone needs to point the bone at the ARU.

  168. jupes

    You see a lot of it also with modification of the rules of combat, yadda yadda.

    The modification of the rules of combat and the banning of weapons over the last 70 years have made it impossible to achieve victory. That is why the most competent warriors of all time, backed with the most advanced military technology ever can’t defeat a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan.

    #Too.Stupid.To.Survive.

  169. Marc;
    The whole Ayers Rock nonsense is getting out of hand.
    FFS it’s just a huge lump of sandstone. I suggest we use it to make blocks for building. It should get a nice premium.

  170. jupes

    I like Trump, he’s ignoring the last sessions on climate change and is going home lol

    He never fails to deliver.

    The greatest politician since Churchill.

  171. Frank

    Future of journalism. NYTimes Journalism Institute.

    Fat chicks it is then.

  172. H B Bear

    Another quality game from the ALPFL – Swans up by 50 points nearing half time against the running joke that is the St Kilda footy club. Fat Andy’s shadow looms large over the earlier game with GWS belting another running joke club, Gold Coast, by nearly 20 goals in front of just over 7,000 people.

    Better keep the ALPFL cheque book handy Gillon McPolo-Pony these clubs aren’t going anywhere.

  173. calli

    I don’t know what is stranger – an aborigine playing a didge in a suit or same aborigine in a red nappy.

    Possum skin cloak must have been at the cleaners.

  174. calli

    Heh. “No one’s behind Folau” sez the commentator.

    Of course they are – with daggers drawn.

  175. Gab

    We live in such a wonderful “free” society …

    Lyle Shelton

    @LyleShelton
    14h14 hours ago

    As well as Twitter censoring my posts on human rights for unborn babies, my blog http://www.lyleshelton.com.au has been challenged & taken down. We’re working on getting it back up. Freedom is precious but we must fight for it, something I never thought would be necessary in Australia.

  176. Gab

    Splendid timepiece, Jupes!

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bought my first Swiss watch today.

    There’s a watch that makes a statement, jupes.

  178. rickw

    Bought my first Swiss watch today.

    Nice!

  179. Cold-Hands

    Against the run of play, but a try’s a try.

  180. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I don’t know what is stranger – an aborigine playing a didge in a suit or same aborigine in a red nappy.

    I’m remembering when Eric Jolliffe was criticized for depicting Aborigines, in red nappies.

  181. Nick

    Zulu, try Johnny Walker ‘platinum’. Not hugely smoky, but interesting.

  182. rickw

    Freedom is precious but we must fight for it, something I never thought would be necessary in Australia.

    Wake up, the only way Freedom is sustained is via the barrel of a gun.

  183. Nick

    My Longines is lost somewhere. For Swiss movements at a reasonable price, Hamilton are good.

  184. i hope your new swiss watch isn’t tissot, that’s all i’m saying

  185. rickw

    Heh. “No one’s behind Folau” sez the commentator.

    There’s only two people I follow on Twitter. DJT and Folau.

  186. Don’t hold back, Paul.

    Excellent account. Thanks for posting.

    Indeed. And CL’s right. If Britons have not yet been roused to righteous anger it is already lost.

  187. classical_hero

    I doubt that Rugby will come here this year.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, try Johnny Walker ‘platinum’. Not hugely smoky, but interesting.

    Thanks for the tip – I’ll bag a bottle for trial purposes.

  189. rickw

    That is why these grave allegations of war crimes must be ­answered.

    No one in Australia has a problem with shoot first ask questions later except the 5th Columns of Broadmeadows, Lakemba and Canberra.

  190. Death Giraffe

    Watches are shit.
    A real man has an uncanny internal clock.
    Unless you are timing an assault on a gun pit you don’t need an external timepiece.

  191. stackja

    Man dies in cliff fall at Cape Solander in Kurnell
    LOUISE STARKEY, The Sunday Telegraph
    June 9, 2018 6:14pm
    Subscriber only

    A MAN taking pictures on a clifftop in Sydney’s south fell to his death today after slipping from a rock ledge in front of his horrified friends.

    Paramedics were called to Cape Solander, a whale-watching spot at Kurnell, about 1.20pm after the alarm was raised about a man who had fallen into the water.

    Emergency crews began a recovery operation with the Westpac Life Saver Rescue Helicopter, winching the man from the water just below the viewing platform.

  192. Death Giraffe

    Watches are shit.

  193. Top Ender

    That is why the most competent warriors of all time, backed with the most advanced military technology ever can’t defeat a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan.

    Mmm. Think how the Romans would have handled Afghanistan.

    The peacenik types never think it through. They would rather NOT attack someone like Hitler early, but wait until we HAVE to. That gets you 50-60 million dead rather than 10.

  194. H B Bear

    Swiss watches are great until you have to get the cheque book out at service time.

  195. JC

    Nick
    #2732444, posted on June 9, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    My Longines is lost somewhere. For Swiss movements at a reasonable price, Hamilton are good.

    I always thought Hamilton was American until now.

    The Hamilton Watch Company is a brand of the Swatch Group, a Swiss watch company based in Bienne, Switzerland. The Hamilton Watch Company had its genesis as an American watch design and manufacturing company, which incorporated in 1892 and produced its first watch in 1893.

  196. rickw

    Mmm. Think how the Romans would have handled Afghanistan.

    Brutal but effective! The goats rejoice in their liberation!

  197. Bruce in WA

    My wife bought me this one.

    Had it three days and it stopped dead.

    Sent away over east; sent back with note: “OK. Serviced. Changed battery.”

    Which was nice, because it’s automatic and doesn’t have a battery. And why would you service a 3-day-old watch?

    My wife went ballistic and we (finally) were given a new replacement — which keeps worse time than my old Seiko diver’s watch. 🙁

  198. cuckoo

    Not a parody. Mrs. Cuckoo gets updates from the New Yorker which I occasionally see. The latest in the inbox says “How a strong economy could hurt the Democrats..” Says it all.

  199. cuckoo

    A MAN taking pictures on a clifftop in Sydney’s south fell to his death today after slipping from a rock ledge in front of his horrified friends.

    A tragedy. But I’m betting (a) Indian, (b) Chinese.

  200. cuckoo

    Mmm. Think how the Romans would have handled Afghanistan.

    Yes, but they didn’t. Kipling’s The Man who would be king throws an interesting light on this question.

  201. H B Bear

    Bruce – I think Swiss watches can be a bit hit and miss. A mate bought an IWC diver and it was the biggest piece of junk. Now sitting in a drawer somewhere. I have a base model Omega that chugs away but is not a daily wearer.

    Seiko automatics are bulletproof and the Grand Seikos better value than any Swiss watch at an equivalent price point.

  202. i guess Motecuhzoma II had multiculturalism very much in mind when he met Cortés and made him feel welcome too

  203. Mr X Jumping was such a nice, pleasant, friendly man when he visited too

  204. Cold-Hands

    The TMO is doing his best to stuff up the game they play in heaven…

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mmm. Think how the Romans would have handled Afghanistan.

    I don’t have a reference for the quote, but it went something like this

    “The Romans didn’t run a great Empire by having meetings, and being nice to people. They ran a great Empire, by killing people and burning their villages.”

  206. Infidel Tiger

    I love rugby but it is the worst game in the world to watch.

    It’s like watching question time in the Senate, but far more officious.

  207. Steve trickler

    I’ve yet to see it.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2719094/

    Bronisława Wajs.

    Life.

    Bronisława Wajs, commonly known by her Romani name Papusza, was one of the most famous Romani poets ever known. She grew up nomadically with her family in Poland as part of a kumpania or band of families. She was literate, unusual for Polska Roma of that time. She learned to read by trading chickens in exchange for lessons with local villagers. This was frowned upon and whenever she was found reading she was beaten and the book destroyed. She was married in a traditional ceremony at 15 to a much older and revered harpist named Dionizy Wajs. She was very unhappy with the marriage and took to singing as an outlet for her frustrations with her husband often accompanying her on harp. Soon after learning to sing she began to compose her own ballads and songs based on traditional Romani story-telling and songwriting.

    In 1949 she was heard by the Polish poet Jerzy Ficowski who instantly recognized her talent. Many of her poems dealt with “Nostos” (Greek for “a return home”), a theme common in Romani poetry. Although Roma used this to describe the yearning to return to the open road Ficowski saw this as Papusza yearning to be settled down, to no longer be nomadic. He published several of her poems in a magazine called Problemy along with an interview with Polish poet Julian Tuwim. Although on one hand the poem made Papusza known for the first time among the Polish audience, on the other the interview and, above all, the Romani-Polish minidictionary attached to it, caused a negative turn in the poet’s life, as she was accused of revealing the secrets of her native culture to the gadjos. Her activities were associated by some of the Roma with the simultaneous moves of Polish communist government that found its culmination in September 1952 (known variously as ‘Action C’, or “The Great Halt”, which aimed at creating the first census of the Polish Sinti and Roma, their registration and obligatory assignment of ID cards). Accusations of Papusza and Ficowski as supporters, even unintentional of the forced settlement of Roma are even now not uncommon, although the law imposing a ban on wandering was not introduced until 1964. Similar legislation began to spring up in neighboring countries such as Czechoslovakia (1958), Bulgaria (1958), and Romania (1962). Papusza herself settled in the western Polish city of Gorzów Wielkopolski, spending most of the rest of her life in a house on Kosynierów Gdyńskich street which today bears a plaque dedicated to her.

    The Roma community soon began to regard Papusza as a traitor, threatening her and calling her names, either for revealing the details of the Romani language, culture, customs and common law, or for her contacts with gadjos, or for her alleged role in the anti-nomadic moves of the government. Papusza maintained that Ficowski had exploited her work and had taken it out of context. Her appeals fell on deaf ears and the Baro Shero (Big head, an elder in the Roma community) declared her “unclean”. She was banished from the Roma world, and her contacts with Ficowski died out. Afterward, she spent 8 months in a mental hospital and then the next 34 years of her life alone and isolated before her death in 1987. Ficowski remained her major admirer and eulogist, popularising her legacy and unique place in Polish and Romani culture throughout his later life.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82awa_Wajs

    —-

    This is one of the finest pieces of editing i have ever seen, that works in harmony with this music from Fleetwood Mac. Joe Blevins, is a talent.

    Gypsy.

    Worthy of a repeat.



  208. Infidel Tiger

    Without Folau, the Wallabies would be the gayest team on earth.

    He is a super star.

  209. jupes

    The AFL is playing its annual “pride” game.

    This is where two teams without a self-confessed homo between them suck up to the homo lobby.

    Fucking morons.

  210. jupes

    What are they proud of exactly?

  211. Infidel Tiger

    The AFL is playing its annual “pride” game.

    This is where two teams without a self-confessed homo between them suck up to the homo lobby.

    Does the coach pull them off at half time?

  212. JC

    Good summary of why the recent Italian election results are great:

    Albert Einstein, it’s a left/ right populist coalition. One side wants to raise welfare spending while the other wants lower the corp tax rate to 15% and institute labor market reform. How can it possibly work?

  213. a reader

    Finally can call them the Wallabies not the Wabblies! Isarel Folau is a legend.

  214. zyconoclast

    My wife bought me this one.

    Had it three days and it stopped dead.

    Sent away over east; sent back with note: “OK. Serviced. Changed battery.”

    Which was nice, because it’s automatic and doesn’t have a battery. And why would you service a 3-day-old watch?

    My wife went ballistic and we (finally) were given a new replacement — which keeps worse time than my old Seiko diver’s watch. 🙁

    The best thing about TAG watches is the full name Techniques d’Avant Garde

  215. zyconoclast

    Seiko automatics are bulletproof and the Grand Seikos better value than any Swiss watch at an equivalent price point.

    +++

  216. DrBeauGan

    Swiss watches? Don’t you guys have phones?

  217. Death Giraffe

    They just want an excuse to wear jewelry DrBG.
    Closet cases.

  218. Steve trickler

    Prince William was at the event recently, to launch the electric bike race around the Isle.

    Ridiculous.



  219. Infidel Tiger

    Eliana Johnson
    @elianayjohnson
    ·
    12m
    [email protected] currently in a G7 breakfast meeting where Canadian PM Justin Trudeau is talking about intersectionality. He is leaving the G7 early.

    He’s the man I aspire to be.

  220. Death Giraffe

    They just want an excuse to wear j*welry DrBG.
    Closet cases.

  221. Leigh Lowe

    He’s the man I aspire to be.

    Justin?
    Or Donald?

  222. zyconoclast

    I suggested something similar
    The only thing the author forgot to mention is the Ireland 2040 plan to increase the Irish population by one million.

    Ireland Opens the Door to Demographic Disaster

    Ireland’s recent referendum works against the laws of demographics. Same-sex couples cannot reproduce based on biology. Sure, they can adopt or hire surrogates, but every same-sex couple takes two opposite-sex couples out of the pool for potential reproduction. Similarly, abortion eliminates the product of reproduction at an early stage, killing babies who will never grow into adults, potentially having children of their own.

    Ireland currently has a fertility, or replacement, rate of 1.9, less than the population-sustaining level, meaning a population in slow decline. That’s the native Irish population. What about immigrants to Ireland? Who, specifically?

    While Ireland currently has a small Muslim population, conditions are ripe for this population to grow. The native Irish population, already reproducing below the replacement rate, has legalized two activities that will further reduce population growth: abortion and the redefinition of marriage.

    An immigrant population, already reproducing at a rate guaranteeing a rapidly growing population, has no such constraints, as its laws and culture forbid abortion and restrict marriage to its natural bounds.

  223. Andreas

    The AFL is playing its annual “pride” game.
    This is where two teams without a self-confessed homo between them suck up to the homo lobby.
    Fucking morons.

    A sign from the game.

  224. a reader

    To be fair to the TT organisers there has been an electric race for more than a decade and it’s both an engineering exercise and a legitimate race. Electric motorcycles make a lot more sense than electric cars

  225. C.L.

    Nice watch, Jupes.
    Longines and Hamilton use the same movements, by and large. (Mostly the ETA 2824-2).
    The Swatch Group, formed to consolidate all the old Swiss makers that were bankrupted by quartz titans Seiko and Citizen in the 1970s – owns both (and many others).
    Hamilton tends to make watches that are overly large but they’ve recently released an exact re-issue of their classic military field watch. At a vintage 38mm, it’s hand-winding and has no date – just as they were during the Vietnam War (when they worn by GIs). Watch lovers are rating the Khaki Field Mechanical a must-have. And it’s affordable. My advice is to snap one up while they last.

  226. cohenite

    One of the good things about the new Italian government is that they are going to take a hard line on islam and Islamic invaders. They also appear to be anti-alarmism. So good signs.

  227. C.L.

    That take by Folau was freakish.
    Normal rugby players simply cannot run, jump and catch a ball with outstretched hands looking backwards while under attack from defenders.

  228. H B Bear

    ALPFL pride game was an outstanding success. Saints played like a bunch of homos.

  229. Infidel Tiger

    The fix is in.

    Newscorpse are claiming it was Pocock who guided the Wobblies to victory. The woke flanker was missing in action most of the match.

  230. Infidel Tiger

    Holy fucking duckshit. I just saw a pick of Buffalo Bill Shorten in his black Akubra! That is hilarious!

  231. JC

    Albert
    Italy’s major problems are
    1. A constipated labor market.
    2. Cronyism
    3. Terrible demographics
    4. Having a totally inappropriate monetary policy dictated by Germany
    5. Very high domestic debt
    6. No productivity growth for the past twenty years.
    7. Bloated bureaucracy.
    Illegal border jumping is certainly a problem, but all the above trump (no pun) this.

    Silence please.

  232. cohenite

    I’m talking about Italy head prefect, you’re talking about Australia. Do catch up.

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