Open Forum: June 9, 2018

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  1. John Constantine

    How come their Comintern gets more than one seat at the G7?.

  2. Baldrick

    No DrBG, the sound should be automatic. Try clearing your cookies and doing a reboot.

  3. Entropy

    “Some guy code named Leonidas, kicking a guy down a cliff…”

    Sounds like someone has got a bit confused between real life and a comic/movie.

  4. Baldrick

    Fakenews CNN couldn’t even get the location of the G7 right.

  5. woolfe

    OB and RD,
    70% of mine fatalities are fitters or tradesmen (no women killed yet). We have a lot of rules on site a lot are around isolation of machine power prior to working on it. Our last fatality was someone who didn’t isolate the power source correctly and was crushed by a hydraulic ram when a switch was activated and he was in the footprint, the last fatality in Western Australia was digger operator who was crushed by a ram activate ladder again when he activated a switch on a non isolated machine and he was in the way of the ladder.

    Death is fatal, there is no cure. Sure there is a lot of bullshit but there is also a lot of good stuff. Oh, our last injury was a guy who said his hard hat blew off in the wind and when he bent to pick it up he hit his head on a metal railing and received 4 stitches in his scalp. People get hurt, we don’t believe thyy should

  6. Rae

    Those 2 on Outsiders, is the one in the middle gay?

    Cigar Store Indian impersonator. Suddenly came to life in the final minute. Did much better than Bosi did in the whole interview.

  7. Entropy

    I guess I should have watched the rest of the clip before commenting, it is made clear in the clip that’s there is a link to the 300.

  8. None

    I despise Dan Andrews. The fuckwit sends his kids to private schools not to safe schools and they’re nowhere near injecting rooms which will allow ice. That’s just for everybody else’s kids. No politician should be allowed to implement any law went out first making their own kids for guinea pigs. https://mobile.twitter.com/netz_melb/status/1005021767046344704

  9. C.L.

    Try clicking the volume button, BG.

  10. Apologies, but parts of the brain are still coming back online (hopefully).
    Somebody got a link to the Riccardo Bosi interview please?

  11. C.L.

    Crawford a few points ahead of Horn at this stage.

  12. Entropy

    I had streaming issues too, audio ended up well in advance of visual.

  13. Confused Old Misfit

    You big Australian meanies! Making fun of Our Prime Minister, Mr. Justin Trudeau!
    I’m awfully sorry and I hope you won’t hold it against me but I simply have to “lash out” and say how frightfully disappointed I am in your behavior. Please do not be so disrespectful!

  14. DrBeauGan

    I went to Google Riccardo Bosi sky news, Baldrick, and got a 42 second piece of Riccardo talking. Is that the lot?
    I cleared cookies, but am doing this on a phone, and the sky website is awful. Adverts over a third of the page and automatically diverts to another story when I tap the go button on the video now.

  15. Pete of Perth

    Memory vault, rumours of your death are greatly exaggerated.

  16. DrBeauGan

    C.L.
    #2732800, posted on June 10, 2018 at 1:15 pm
    Try clicking the volume button, BG.

    Wasn’t one on the video, CL. The volume on the phone was at max.

  17. John Constantine

    For every third world peasant killed in combat with Australian military, their Australian left has set themselves to import a hundred of his military age cousins, to be freedom fighters in socialisms revolution to end any future Australian involvement in any struggle against antiwestern totalitarianism.

    Viva La Revolution.

  18. C.L.

    Horn set to lose his belt.

  19. Pedro the Ignorant

    One WA mine site I visit regularly has the site office located about 300 metres from the visitor’s car park.

    Full personal protective equipment (PPE) is mandatory for the walk from the carpark to the office, where there is a dedicated outer room where you can shed the PPE and continue on in shirtsleeves.

    Mine sites are dangerous places, and I certainly approve of 99% of the safety measures adopted on most sites, but the car park trek in PPE is ridiculous.

    “Company policy” quotes the OHS nazi.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Here’s the Sky News/Bosi link again:

    My compliments, Baldrick and thank you. I’m left with the impression that Riccardo Bosi was trying very hard not to laugh at the pair of clowns. Well done, Sir, well done indeed.

  21. None

    The Riccardo vid just has dodgy streaming. If you persevere you can see the lot. The guy is excellent. Samantha Strumpet is uniquely unqualified dot-dot-dot in my opinion. Gold.

  22. C.L.

    Horn’s eye closing up.
    Has to win by knockout – and that’s unlikely.
    If he throws a KO punch in the next five rounds – with that eye – it will be bigger than Balboa besting Creed.

  23. C.L.

    Horn now getting both beaten and beaten up.
    Still he perseveres. He is brave.

  24. calli

    The amount of verbiage coming from Hairy Nellie (h/t Alf Garnett) and at Cardboard Man (at the end) was awesome.

    Why do they bother with interviews at all? Just talk to each other and wave their arms about.

  25. None

    It’s a pity that Bosi got knocked down to second place by Sophie whoever who I believe was one of the invidible and relatively ineffectual movers behind the Marriage Alliance. We need fearless warriors in parliament.

  26. C.L.

    Ref to Horn: ‘Show me something.’

  27. C.L.

    Well done, Jeff Horn.
    I wish he could have scored one or two more big pay days.
    He deserved it.

  28. bundyrum

    Trump should tell the euro weenies & the seal bashers…..no G8 then they get a G6.

  29. DrBeauGan

    I tried another browser. Went from tapping on the go video button to a story about a minister of aboriginal affairs saying he should quit.

    Sky news doesn’t like my phone. It won’t let me watch Riccardo. Afraid I might be corrupted, perhaps.

    It would take an hour or so to fire up my laptop as the battery is dead. Bugger.

    The 42 second excerpt was refreshing to watch, but I wanted to see more.

    Thanks anyway, Baldrick, I blame sky for not being able to take over phone.

  30. Infidel Tiger

    Trump has the best “resting bitch face” on the planet.

  31. pete m

    Horn tried hard but surprised his fitness disappeared so quickly. nerves?

    Ric Bossi – great line – wouldn’t trust that sociologist to pick his dog food. rofl.

  32. Thanks Baldrick and others.
    Very telling interview with Riccardo.

  33. Rae

    Doc, save yourself the trouble. Bosi opened with the “hard men” cliché that he probably starts with in talks to groups of accountants and such, then said nothing of value in the whole interview. It is no surprise that a bunch of his sycophants here have claimed otherwise.

  34. Oh come on

    Horn has had a couple of very good paydays then. Good time to bow out. I think every successful fighter is conscious that they only have a certain number of additional blows to the head before their mental faculties start to crumble. Horn seems like a normal, down-to-earth bloke with a long life ahead of him.

  35. Rae

    The Cigar Store Indian impersonator was really good. Best in show.

  36. Death Giraffe

    Perhaps Trump himself would like to explain the restrictive quotas on Australian farm products hitting US supermarkets. He may also want to explain his own farm subsidies.

    ..
    That’s easy.
    The US is a market of 300 million.
    We are a market of 24 million retards at the arse end of nowhere.

  37. Win 10 has just updated itself and reset itself to all the bullshit stuff – like Cortana – which I had painfully gotten rid of.
    Win 10 has to have been the biggest disaster that Gates has ever foist on us.
    Can the OS be returned under the ‘not fit for purpose’ as described in the TPA?

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Riccardo has broken GrigRae.

  39. Rockdoctor

    Wolfe despite best efforts still happens, last hitch had a non isolation incident in the workshops that the lot of us got briefed on. Near miss on this occasion. 3 months ago again in sister operations workshop someone broke a cardinal rule and booked an early holiday. The machinery seem to have incidents almost daily from minor damage to non compliance to a procedure. I got no issues with PPE/preventitive measures just saying the downturn has seen some reason reappear especially with paperwork.

    Pedro I agree there is a time & place for everything and an SSE had to sign off the measure. I have never been in an Admin area that required full PPE, sounds wierd. I had same though when I did a contract for BHP, open paddock exploration tenement nowhere near the drill rig. Hardhat & glasses mandatory when outside the cab, you would feel ridiculous talking to a cockie sitting on his quad bike dog on the back with nothing but on old furfelt hat on & some of the most non flouro workwear I have seen but their site their rules just had to go with it despite what I thought.

  40. Makka

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has closed the G7 summit by issuing a strong rebuke to US President Donald Trump’s trade threats, calling them “kind of insulting” and saying they would be met with retaliatory measures from July. “Canadians are polite and reasonable but we will not be pushed around,” Trudeau told reporters on Saturday.

    What a joke. Canada’s parasitic economy has been intentionally structured around NAFTA, providing a backdoor for China and slippery others access for their goods into the US under the very favourable NAFTA conditions. NAFTA is now dead and with it will die off a very significant part of Canada’s economy. No wonder Justin from Canada is shitting his schoolboy pants. Being a big boy wasn’t supposed to be this hard.

  41. Death Giraffe

    Or put it another way:
    You are a manufacturer.
    You will pay more to get your product into a supermarket chain with 300 stores than one with only 24.
    That is the market, innit?

  42. dopey

    Landline Weather Report.
    No longer gives locations or figures for rainfall. Taken over by the BOM.
    They know the future but can’t tell you what happened yesterday.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Riccardo has broken GrigRae.

    GrigRea is probably one of the fucking idiots who think the A.D.F. is just another branch of the public service, where you wear funny looking clothes and get shouted at, a lot. The trolls on this site insist on adding new dimensions to the word “moronic.”

  44. OldOzzie

    Chinese plane leaves Pyongyang after brief landing: flight route tracker

    BEIJING, June 10 (Yonhap) — A Chinese private jet left North Korea on Sunday about an hour after it landed in the North’s capital, a flight route-tracking website showed.

    The takeoff by an Air China airplane was detected at the airport in Pyongyang at 8:30 a.m., according to Flightradar24. The website said earlier the same plane had landed in the North’s capital at 7:20 a.m., after leaving Beijing Capital International Airport at 4:18 a.m.

    As to who boarded the plane from the communist state was unknown, but speculation is growing that it might be flying North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to Singapore, two days ahead of the historic summit with U.S. President Donald Trump in the city-state.

    The Boeing 747-4J6 that traveled to North Korea is known to be a private jet used by the Chinese government to carry its high-level officials, including President Xi Jinping.

    The website did not specify the destination of the plane. Many government chartered planes are known to keep their routes discreet due to security issues.

    No other flights were detected from the North, according to the website.

    Kim’s personal plane is a modified Ilyushin IL-62 from the Soviet Union and has never gone on a long-distance flight.

  45. mh

    Jeff Horn should have got a couple more title defences under his belt before taking on on of the best.

    He was out-classed. His manager/trainer has done great things, but I think this fight was a mistake.

    Easy to say now, of course, but I don’t think anyone is surprised at how the fight unfolded.

  46. Fisky

    Interesting that Trump proposed all G7 countries abolish tariffs and embrace real free trade, and they all refused. This proves that they don’t believe in free trade at all. It’s a sham. Time to radically increase tariffs and force the Euroweenies to embrace genuine free trade, not Fake Trade which we have now.

  47. Tom

    Interesting that Trump proposed all G7 countries abolish tariffs and embrace real free trade, and they all refused. This proves that they don’t believe in free trade at all. It’s a sham.

    Spot on, Fisk.

  48. Dr Faustus

    Interesting that Trump proposed all G7 countries abolish tariffs and embrace real free trade, and they all refused. This proves that they don’t believe in free trade at all. It’s a sham.

    Safe bet there.
    Without the vast web of subsidies, internal tariffs, and non-tariff barriers wrapped up in the Common Agricultural Policy, the EU would cease to exist as anything other than a sort of social regulator.

    More Trump trolling.

  49. mh

    Australia used to be a big exporter of sugar to the UK until the UK joined the Common Market (EU). Ever since then there has been a huge tariff on our sugar. And the EU pretends that they are free traders. That deceitful message is spread by the globalist newspaper The Australian.

  50. Gab

    Bosi really has the demeanor of someone that has been in command during terrifying situations. He’d be terrible to play poker against.

    He’d be a great boss! I’d be happy to report to him.

  51. Tom

    Riccardo has broken GrigRae.

    Leftards react very badly to men who aren’t cowards like them. Passive-aggressive jealousy.

  52. JC

    Makka

    Explain how the US consumer is hard done by.

  53. DrBeauGan

    Tom
    #2732858, posted on June 10, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    Riccardo has broken GrigRae.

    Leftards react very badly to men who aren’t cowards like them. Passive-aggressive jealousy.

    Don’t they just! It’s almost a defining characteristic.

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just watched over our late lunch the recording we always make of Outsiders on Sunday morning. Riccardo was riveting. Very clear, took up the interviewers’ queries surgically and answered them as bluntly as he would here on the Cat. Very, very refreshing. He had no time for the idiocy of the bureaucratic left and the defense top brass and very clear that the lower ranks were all very off-side with the current political correctness. He was truly inspiring about the difference between real leadership and simple command. Leadership is an expression of the character and the heart of the man. He also recognized that war is about killing; and left us in no doubt that strength and endurance was required to do the SAS job; which no woman could do properly. As is the case in many areas of defense.

    Responses already coming in to the show suggest Riccardo has made a tremendous impact. Australian Conservatives would be CRAZY to not put him up as a candidate, in my opinion, and the opinion obviously of others.

  55. Makka
    Explain how the US consumer is hard done by.

    ???????????????

  56. johanna

    What an embarrassment boy band wannabe Justin Trudeau is. He is as thick as a box of rocks, vain to a fault, a proven liar – all the things that Trump has been accused of. In the room, Justin rolls over on his back like the weak puppy he is, outside he huffs and puffs and lies.

    There is a great classic cartoon about a big, boofy dog and a little yapper. Yapper encourages boofy to go into a room where he gets the crap beaten out of him, and boofy can never admit that he has been bested. So, he is forced to go in again and get the crap beaten out of him.

    That is Justin and his SJW yappers, to a tee.

    Ontario voters just gave Justin’s party so few votes that they are not even eligible to be a recognised party in the legislature. Formerly, they were in government.

    They espoused every fashionable cause going, especially allowing hairy blokes into women and girls’ toilets and changerooms. They adored multiculturalism and welcomed anyone and everyone to flock over the borders.

    They mired the joint in debt, and promised even more unpayable-for giveaways.

    Worst of all, and this matters a lot in chilly Canada, they promoted all the usual greenie policies about energy, causing prices to skyrocket, with further skyrocketing coming down the pipe. In Canada in winter, heating is not optional. It is a matter of life and death.

    To describe Justin as a featherhead is insulting to featherheads everywhere. It took Trump about 20 seconds to realise this. There is a clip somewhere of an international meeting about a year ago where Justin is on his own, Trump comes into the room, and Justin’s body language is ‘hey, hey, remember me?’

    Trump sweeps past – he may have done a cursory nod or handshake, can’t remember now.

    O Canada!

  57. gingerbeer

    Bosi’s inner calm, composure and self assuredness is a pleasure to watch.

  58. Death Giraffe

    Explain how the US consumer is hard done by.

    ..
    Is the US consumer different to the US citizen in general?
    Are they not the same person?

  59. Fisky

    Remember how the Dems used to rant about unfair trade deals all through the 90s and 00s. It was a sham. They never do anything about unfair trade, because that would require a confrontation with the global elites. Instead they just roll over like Clinton and Obama did, wanting to be loved by the international cocktail circuit.

    This shows that policy has to be viewed as an outgrowth of personality. If someone proposes a policy that you know they do not have the mental fortitude to actually pursue, then they should be ignored on that count.

  60. Fisky

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    If Trump really wanted to troll Merkel, he’d announce that it has always been US policy to oppose German hegemony on the continent, and always will be.

    I love this!

  61. If someone proposes a policy that you know they do not have the mental fortitude to actually pursue, then they should be ignored on that count.

    You mean like Tony Abbott and his born again “conservatism”?

  62. OldOzzie

    Warnings Australia “does not have” the electricity reserves for times of need


    The nation’s energy market operator has warned Australia “does not have the energy reserves it once had” to lean on in times of need as the power market undergoes an “unprecedented transformation”,

    The comments by Australian Energy Market Operator follows NSW losing 3800 megawatts of generation capacity last week, nearly a third of its 12,000MW installed coal generation capacity, raising the threat of blackouts.

    The outages put the network at full capacity, with peak demand in the state outstripping supply and sparking a surge in spot prices.

    This was a “sobering reminder that even outside of the traditional summer peak periods, there is still a need to ensure adequate resources are available to manage the system,” AEMO said today.

    Generators at five of the six NSW coal-fired power stations were hit by outages heading into the long weekend.

    At the same time AEMO noted a thick cloud cover and rain reduced the output of solar generation across the state by up to 254MW a day across several days.

    “The energy system is undergoing unprecedented transformation. With the recent exit of almost 5,000 megawatts of generation in the last decade, Australia does not have the energy reserves it once had to lean on in times of need,” AEMO said in a statement today.

    AEMO reiterated its concerns about the planned retirement of AGL’s Liddell coal fired power generator in 2022, saying there is a need to “ensure a reliable portfolio of resources”.

    AEMO also provided its support behind the Federal Government’s planned National Energy Guarantee, which has reliability components built into the policy.

    NSW generation units at Vales Point, Tallawarra, Liddell, Bayswater and Mount Piper went offline last week due to planned and unplanned maintenance issues, with only Eraring, the state’s biggest and most modern, operating at full capacity.

    The outages threatened a third day of shutdowns at the Tomago aluminium smelter, the state’s largest single energy user, to avoid multimillion-dollar losses on the high energy prices.

    AEMO said there was no involuntary load shedding in NSW or transmission outages that impacted events in the state over the evening peak on Friday night.

    However a surge in spot prices by NSW-power generator AGL resulted in a curtailing of the potline supply at Tomago twice. This occured approximately for one hour each over the peak demand periods.

    A review of events leading up to the weekend stress, AEMO noted around 3800MW of generation resources expected to be available across the peak was not available in NSW.

    While a number of generating units in NSW were out of service due to planned maintenance, this had no impact on reserve conditions.

    “A further two unplanned forced outages however did result in 1320MW dropping out of the market and resulted in tighter reserve levels,” AEMO said.

    It coincided with overcast and low-wind weather that limited renewables generation and forced NSW to draw more heavily on power from Queensland and Victoria.

    “Some factors influencing demand figures during this past week included a thick cloud cover and rain limiting rooftop solar and reducing the output of this generation resource by between 115MW to 254MW on any given day”.

    AEMO said a combined market and regulatory approach that allows participants to compete to invest in a variety of resources will address reserve or reliability deficits.

    One of the four 420MW generators at AGL’s Liddell plant will be out for up to six weeks, while a second unit has been “derated” to around two-thirds of its capacity so that it can operate safely.

    Two of the 660MW units at the adjacent Bayswater plant have suffered boiler tube leaks that took them out of action at the same time as a third unit was out for scheduled maintenance.

  63. Top Ender

    Going to see if I can get this into the Speccie or Quadrant. Appreciate Cat Caustic Comments on it before it’s sent off. Any areas of reader confusion or otherwise being pointed out would be gratefully received.

    A working sub fleet and crew tomorrow – for less than half the dollars presently proposed
    – a simple analysis for the general public –

    By Top Ender

    Australia’s future submarine plans are to build a French re-design of a nuclear-engined boat. The Barracuda re-model will use diesel engines, and fuel tanks, in a plan which will likely be fraught with problems.

    The Australian public has been sucker-punched by the green movement into not understanding nuclear power, and that includes submarines. If we are buying new subs – and we should – the nuclear off the shelf option is the only way to go. In every way they would be our best buy. And we can easily solve the crewing problem with the same purchase. Here are eight reasons why the government should go nuclear.

    Cost. The US Navy’s Virginia-class submarines are in production now, and cheaper than a new build diesel-electric variant. A lot of extra hospitals and federal highways can be built with the spare cash. Australia is planning on spending at least $50 billion on its French project. A US alternative would cost around half of this amount.

    Proven design. If we bought a nuclear boat off the rack, we would be buying something already in service. We would know it works. The odds are against building another “one-off” design, here and in France, and making it work. Submarines are the most complicated piece of military technology around. We’d never built any before the present Collins-class, which have had multiple problems – and we’d never had difficulties with the off the shelf Oberons preceding them. Thinking we can build something as well as countries which have been sub-building for over 100 years is a delusion.

    Endurance. The nuclear sub never needs refueling, and can operate to vast distances from port. It doesn’t have to return to a harbour where its arrival is predicted, and where it can be hit by missiles or aircraft. It doesn’t have to meet a tanker, and position itself to take on fuel, being extremely vulnerable while it does so.

    A diesel-electric is limited by needing diesel, and in a war situation there’s unlikely to be a nearby service station if you’re operating up close to the enemy. And you have to resurface to refuel. Nuclears can stay at sea for years if necessary, limited only by food for the crew. They can scrub the air, make fresh water, and keep everyone comfortable on board – without stopping. If we went nuclear, the boats would need fuel in about 30 years, which could be done in America, but the submarine type would probably be obsolete by then. The rest of the vessel could be maintained in Australia, providing jobs.

    Undetectability. If you have subs, your potential enemy has to guard against them. Upon leaving port, the nuclear boat submerges – and never comes back up. Staying down means avoiding detection. And as every hour goes by, the circle of where that sub could be widens, and the enemy knows it could strike anywhere in that circle. Diesel subs have to come to periscope depth to “snort” – to take in air to run their diesels, and recharge their batteries. When they’re at war, this is dangerous.

    Speed. Nuclear subs are capable of immense speed underwater – faster than they are on the surface. They are much faster than their prey. This means they can chase enemy vessels, or make high speed runs to position themselves favourably in their path. Diesels can’t do this.

    Crew. If we bought boats off the Americans, we could buy a few planeloads of crew too. Why not see if we can attract a few hundred US Navy submariners – and their families – to a new life in Australia? Many may jump at the chance, and we’d get some ready-trained men to mix in with our people.

    Safety. Nuclear subs just have nuclear engines. Many people hazily think they have nuclear weapons too – not so. The nuclear engine is a sealed unit. As the Eveready battery of the depths it just keeps producing electricity. Lots of it. This makes the boat go. America, France, Britain, China, Russia, India – with Pakistan following soon – all have nuclear subs. Their engines have been accident-free for decades.

    Deterrence. Subs are a great deterrent to any enemy thinking of coming here by sea, and there is no other way to mount a credible invasion. Once at sea, the nuclear submarine can go deep, and stay quiet. The enemy will have to expensively equip and train with anti-submarine measures – not easily acquired. They would forever have to guard against an unseen enemy who could be anywhere. Having subs is a bit like having a guard dog. It doesn’t have to bite anyone, just its presence is justification enough for the food and kennel. We’ve got to retain the idea of having submarines – and we should have the most capable.

    We’ve already spent millions on a study to analyse which possible problem to buy into. But we pushed nuclear off the table before we even started research. We should open our minds to not going further down the road of disaster with the Barracuda class. Not a metre of steel has been cut yet for the French design. Instead, we just need our chequebook and a flight to the States. For half of what we’re thinking of spending on a new diesel boat, we can solve our submarine problems tomorrow – and have the most potent strikeforce in the Southern Hemisphere.

    -o-o-O-o-o-

    Top Ender was a naval officer for 19 years. A military historian of 14 books, one of his major works is Carrier Attack, an analysis of the first 1942 air raid on Darwin, carried out after Japanese submarine attacks on the port failed. He is also the author of Darwin’s Submarine I-124, a study of the Japanese 80-man vessel which still lies sunk outside Darwin harbour today – lost in a combat action with the Royal Australian Navy in 1942.

  64. Boris

    Sky news doesn’t like my phone.

    Works excellent on Safari both on my iPad and iPhone. Maybe try another browser?

  65. Boris

    Here Bosi claims that he has successfully trained UAE soldiers but the other day he agreed with statement that training Arabs to fight is as fruitful as teaching camels to sing.

  66. OldOzzie

    ABC’s problem with political diversity goes a long way back – Gerard Henderson

    During the past 50 years the ABC has been criticised by Coalition and Australian Labor Party leaders alike. The unexpected bipartisanship turns on the fact ABC journalists and producers tend to attack both major parties from a left-wing — and increasingly green-left — perspective.

    In recent times, Malcolm Turnbull and/or his Communications Minister, Mitch Fifield, have complained to ABC managing director and editor-in-chief Michelle Guthrie on a range of matters.

    These include the reporting on tax and innovation by ABC ­economics correspondent Emma Alberici along with statements by ABC political editor Andrew Probyn and ABC 7.30’s chief political correspondent Laura Tingle.

    Fifield has accused Probyn and Tingle of repeating “a Labor lie” about the timing of the forthcoming by-elections in Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania.

    When former prime minister Tony Abbott clashed with the ABC concerning Q&A — even to the extent of preventing his ministers from appearing on the program for a couple of weeks — Turnbull, who was communications minister, did not embrace Abbott’s criticism. It is understood his attitude at the time was that most journalists were on the left and it was to be expected that this would be reflected in the public broadcaster. Turnbull appears to have had a change of attitude since moving into the Lodge.

    From his early days as prime minister, John Howard called for the ABC to appoint a “right-wing Phillip Adams”. This was another way of saying the ABC was a ­conservative-free zone without a conservative presenter, producer or editor for any of its prominent television, radio or online outlets. Two decades later, nothing has changed.

    Labor leaders at the commonwealth level are invariably from the party’s right-wing, or social democratic, faction. Kevin Rudd recently received a grovelling apology from the ABC for its inaccurate reporting in recent times of his government’s home insulation program. And Julia Gillard’s supporters were correct in objecting to the demeaning way in which she was presented in the comedy series At Home with Julia during her time in the Lodge.

    However, the most serious conflict between the government and the taxpayer-funded public broadcaster took place when, as prime minister in 1991, Bob Hawke effectively accused the ABC of bias in its coverage of the first Gulf war.

    Hawke, a member of the ALP’s right-wing faction, clashed with then ABC managing director David Hill, who also happened to be a member of the Labor right. In his semi-official history of the ABC, Whose ABC?, KS Inglis described the resultant controversy as a “public and domestic conflict as troubling as any in the ABC’s history”.

    Hawke’s stoush with Hill led to the public broadcaster bringing greater balance to its commentary on the first Gulf war and, on one occasion, providing an ABC critic a right to be heard.

    Hawke well understood that he was being attacked on the ABC from the left since many of its journalists and producers opposed Australia’s involvement in the campaign by the UN-approved operation — led by the US — to drive Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s forces out of Kuwait.

    The problem in 1991 turned on the fact there was an absence of political diversity within the public broadcaster. It’s much the same today. In any organisation without a plurality of views within it, a certain groupthink will form.

    This is accentuated by the unwillingness of Guthrie and her predecessors, including Mark Scott, to run the organisation on a daily basis. Instead, power over programming, appointments and promotions is handed to several cliques that prevail over certain programs. 7.30 presenter Leigh Sales denies the ABC is bereft of conservatives on prominent programs, but she has been unable to name one within the organisation.

    Writing in Fairfax Media newspapers last week, ABC chairman Justin Milne stepped forward to defend the public broadcaster.

    His article was another example of the ABC in denial. He declared that “Australians should not be fooled by the current battle being waged against public broadcasting” and asserted that “fringe political interests, populists and commercial media all have a shared interest in weakening the ABC”.

    Well, maybe they do. And maybe they don’t. But the ABC’s immediate problem turns on the decision announced in the 2018 budget that its expected indexed increase in funding across the next three years will be frozen. Fringe political interests, populists and the like do not determine budget decisions.

    Also, Milne neglected to address the lack of political diversity in the ABC. On Guthrie’s watch, action has been taken to ensure that the public broadcaster reflects a greater range of views from indigenous, ethnic and religious (primarily Islamic) groups.

    However, Guthrie has done nothing to put some political diversity into the organisation. She appears to hold the view that journalism is a left-wing profession and there’s nothing the ABC can do to change this.

    Milne ran the familiar ABC line that 80 per cent of Australians regard the public broadcaster as “the most trusted media organisation in the country”. If this is the case, it’s not clear why the Seven and Nine networks’ news services consistently outrate the ABC.

    Funding for the ABC has never been an issue in Australian elections and this is unlikely to change in the immediate future. Consequently, it makes no sense for the ABC to be consistently off-side with so many political and social conservatives. It needs bipartisan support.

    In the short term, the ABC would be well advised to split the roles of managing director and editor-in-chief and appoint someone to the latter post who is prepared to ensure political diversity at the level of programming and appointments.

    Also, the ABC’s editor-in-chief should be equipped to handle criticisms by the likes of Turnbull and Fifield without referring them to middle-level bureaucrats in the first instance. An active editor-in-chief could ensure that the public broadcaster develops a culture of correcting its own errors in real time. It’s not a difficult task.

  67. Gab

    Here Bosi claims that he has successfully trained UAE soldiers but the other day he agreed with statement that training Arabs to fight is as fruitful as teaching camels to sing.

    I don’t know the provenance of the latter part of your alleged paraphrasing of Bosi but nothing in that sentence contradicts. They may be trained successfully but in the scheme of things that is the ME, it probably is fruitless

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    TE,

    Concise and accurate all around, IMHO.

    Chris Pyne is, as Jason Dunstall would say, a superflog.

  69. Mark A

    Boris
    #2732878, posted on June 10, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    Here Bosi claims that he has successfully trained UAE soldiers but the other day he agreed with statement that training Arabs to fight is as fruitful as teaching camels to sing.

    Can’t see the contradiction.
    Any hints please?

  70. calli

    It was from this, Gab.

    He was agreeing with an Afghan who made an “in” joke. The context was offensive racial stereotypes.

  71. Rockdoctor

    Frolicking was it you that mentioned you process CBM Sect 4’s for your site? If so the colleague I mentioned recently that was having issues with his Sect 4 & reoccurring reviews went to a different NMA, they had to do the whole CBM again. 6 months had expired but apparently Spirometry not done in accordance with regulations, same hearing test and to top it off HSU had no records of him or his CBM or chest x-ray. New doctor given him clean bill of health with no restrictions see you in 2023 unless chest x-ray from from US shows anything. FYI you might want to scrutinise anything outsourced to Sonic Health Plus Mackay, we have another in the office that is having similar issues with them having their NMA order endless reviews.

  72. Gab

    Why am I suddenly thinking of Black Widow spiders?

  73. I don’t know the provenance of the latter part of your alleged paraphrasing of Bosi but nothing in that sentence contradicts. They may be trained successfully but in the scheme of things that is the ME, it probably is fruitless

    Thank you Gab. I was struggling with the words to say much the same thing – only not as well.

  74. calli

    One of those girls is wearing her dress back-to-front.

  75. Boris

    Gab, he here claimed that that was the statement of an Afghan warrior, with which
    Bosi agreed. It was a statement about their ability, not any regional context (for instance no one will say such a thing about afghans, despite the fact that th context is similar.

    A charitable explanation is that it is very hard to train Arabs to fight but with Bosi’s talents, experience and determination, nothing is impossible.

    We should ask him when he is back here.

  76. Confused Old Misfit

    With a few exceptions like our UAE Spec Ops teams, Arabs generally make lousy soldiers.

    Is what is quoted as having said.

  77. Confused Old Misfit

    Is what he, Bossi, is quoted as having said.

  78. Makka

    Explain how the US consumer is hard done by.

    Jobs .

  79. Gab

    You can ask him, I for one see no contradiction but do keep trying to bring down a decent man. It’s what you do most, Boris. Not that you’ll succeed.

  80. John Constantine

    Wymynsys hear the world nuclear and the election is lost for any side that utters it for any reason.

    Sheer instinct, manipulated by focus groups and robocalls.

    The same instinct that led so many wymynsys to lock themselves in the toilet with their children when they heard Trump was elected is their to be manipulated a hundredfold with the word nuclear.

    Their left never intend Australia’s proposed submarines to be deployable, just a project to be kicked further down the road until the old ones get scrapped.

    The Big Australia of the future can’t fight off a foreign power when it has five million of the foreign powers diaspora living inside its borders anyway.

    More profitable for Australian politicals to sell the country out for cash than it is to pursue kickbacks for defence projects.

  81. DrBeauGan

    I tried two browsers, Boris. Same result.

  82. Fisky

    Wow, the angry loon Bob Ellis was a perv who raped underaged girls. Worth remembering that he was a speechwriter to Bob Carr and Kim Beazley, and that all Labor people adored Bob Ellis like their loveable crazy uncle. From the Oz –

    Dorothy Hewett with daughters Kate and Rozanna Lilley in about 1976-77.
    Both sisters allege they had underage sexual encounters — one was an alleged indecent ­assault — with Ellis.

    Kate claims she had sex with Ellis four times when she was 15 and 16 and still living at home. There was no coercion, “just an understanding that he wanted to have sex with me and I just did … whenever he turned up, he’d have sex with me. I didn’t at the time think that was some big, terrible thing … I was reasonably neutral about it. I didn’t hate him.”

    She recalls one of those encounters in a new poem, Chattel, while in her book Rozanna writes of how Ellis allegedly forced her “reluctant ­fingers” inside his “verbose Y-fronts”. That poem is called Come Here, Child.

  83. Boris

    Thanks Cali for the link. Now that I have read it, he has a way out:

    With a few exceptions like our UAE Spec Ops teams,…

    Sorry I forgot that qualification.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Going to see if I can get this into the Speccie or Quadrant. Appreciate Cat Caustic Comments on it before it’s sent off. Any areas of reader confusion or otherwise being pointed out would be gratefully received.

    Top Ender, happy to be corrected, but will the Yanks sell nuclear submarines off the shelf?

  85. Infidel Tiger

    You can’t be an ALP stalwart without a bit of child r&pe on your resume.

    The live for it. The whole party is just a front for child sexploitation.

  86. Boris

    Gab why start attacking people? I saw a contradiction in his words and asked a question. I did it in respectable manner so atypical on these pages and you immediately claim that I want to bring him down.

    I have no such intentions. But I also have no idols.

  87. Makka

    JC, your globalist open border “free trade” wankfest is being derailed and dismantled because people are tired of being told bullshit like ” hey, this will be good for you” by elitist scum. People have twigged to the zero wage growth , hotel busboy jobs and Walmart cheap Chinese junk being fed to them. Trump is doing the absolutely right thing by negotiating one on ones.

  88. Infidel Tiger

    Boris your contemptible lies make baby Jesus cry.

    Stop it.

  89. Gab

    Good to know, Boris. Sorry if I hurt your feelings or offended you.

  90. Baldrick

    Rae
    #2732834, posted on June 10, 2018 at 2:00
    Bosi opened with the “hard men” cliché that he probably starts with in talks to groups of accountants and such, then said nothing of value in the whole interview. It is no surprise that a bunch of his sycophants here have claimed otherwise.

    Remember, this is from the same Troll that’s been smoted for threatening Kittehs on the Cat.

  91. Gab

    Fleetwood Mac guitarist Danny Kirwan has died aged 68

  92. struth

    I love the indignation of Canada and other countries regarding Trump at the G7.

    They call themselves western and can’t understand why Trump demands an equal playing field.

    They are as western as Julia Gillard’s left tit, these days.

    That’s what is shitting them to tears.
    Trump is exposing their hypocrisy and lies.

  93. Baldrick

    I have no such intentions. But I also have no idols.

    Leftards lie about everything, all the time.

  94. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Danny Kirwan, former Fleetwood Mac guitarist who played on five of the band’s albums, has died
    The SunNews Corp Australia Network
    June 10, 2018 3:34AM
    Topics
    Celebrity

    FLEETWOOD MAC guitarist Danny Kirwan has died aged 68.

    The musician, who joined the band aged just 18 in 1968, was described as a “huge force” on the iconic rock band’s early years.

    Announcing his death in London today, the band wrote: “Today was greeted by the sad news of the passing of Danny Kirwan in London, England.

    “Danny was a huge force in our early years.

    “His love for the Blues led him to being asked to join Fleetwood Mac in 1968, where he made his musical home for many years.

  95. struth

    The live for it. The whole party is just a front for child sexploitation.

    Although I tend to agree, is it possible we have been influenced by the late and great Ssr, or srs or SRR?
    Whatever the hell he/she called her/himself?

  96. rickw

    Quite an interesting series on the problems with islam from an historical perspective:

  97. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1206

    Bill Shorten is promising a “truth telling” commission. That worked out well in South Africa, didn’t it?

    Will it cover the truth about domestic violence and sexual abuse in aboriginal communities?

  98. Boris

    Boris your contemptible lies make baby Jesus cry.

    Go fuck yourself. See ya…

  99. Roger

    Bill Shorten is promising a “truth telling” commission.

    You go first, Bill.

  100. Fleetwood Mac guitarist Danny Kirwan has died aged 68

    Yeah, sad. He allegedly wrote “Albatross” even though he isn’t credited and wasn’t an official member of the group at the time. Whichever. Here’s a memory of for the oldies.

  101. Infidel Tiger

    My goodness. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

    Such filth has no place on the internet.

  102. struth

    Bill Shorten is promising a “truth telling” commission.

    Good Lord.
    from the mouths of politicians.

  103. Rae

    Leftards react very badly to men who aren’t cowards like them. Passive-aggressive jealousy.

    Says good old Custard Guts, whose raison d’etre is to search the interwebs in the vain hope that he will someday find a satirist as talentless as he is. Only coward in this conversation, old fellow, is you.

  104. Boambee John

    I am getting another bad case of RSI (Repetitive Scrolling Injury). Worst for a couple of weeks!

  105. rickw

    A diesel-electric is limited by needing diesel

    Given Australia’s lack of refining capacity, and reliance on imports, this is a pretty significant issue.

  106. Confused Old Misfit

    Now Struth! This demonizing by you of Canadians is simply not seemly.
    We both know that some of them are very “nice” people.
    Sorry to chastise.

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Will it cover the truth about domestic violence and sexual abuse in aboriginal communities?

    That will be explained away as the result of the shattering results of White colonialism – such practices did not exist in traditional Aboriginal society.

  108. Top Ender, happy to be corrected, but will the Yanks sell nuclear submarines off the shelf?

    Not to just “anybody” Zulu, but we are, or at least were, on a very short list of countries the Yanks have previously indicated they would do business with re Los Angeles/ Virginia Class boats.

  109. None

    Top Ender that was clear, straightforward and convincing. I hope you can get it published.

  110. Snoopy

    Shorten’s black spot has disappeared.

  111. Wymynsys hear the world nuclear and the election is lost for any side that utters it for any reason.

    Sorry John, but the claim that most Oustralians, especially with women, are anti nuclear warships, is a yet another myth perpetrated by our media and others.

  112. Top Ender

    will the Yanks sell nuclear submarines off the shelf?

    Dunno till we ask Zulu, but they have sold reactors and missiles to the Brits from the 1960s on.

  113. Snoopy

    Top Ender, happy to be corrected, but will the Yanks sell nuclear submarines off the shelf?

    It won’t be a problem. Mal and Don are besties. Everyone knows this.

  114. cohenite

    Wow, the angry loon Bob Ellis was a perv who raped underaged girls.

    Ellis really was a creep. An archetypal leftie. They are monstrous children who have one talent: hating those who are better then them and making a virtue of it. We have a few here. This society needs some consequences.

  115. Roger

    The Guardian 19 mins ago:

    “Bill Shorten wants Australia to vote on indigenous treaty and republic together.”

    Go for it, Bill, please; give it all you’ve got.

    Australians want to hear more about these two issues, I assure you.

  116. Fisky

    I think it might be time to revisit the Bill Henson case, and how the entire arts community closed ranks defending his right to shoot naked pics of underaged girls. We have to assume that most of these defenders were doing this as a way to protect their own private conduct, some of which we are getting a glimpse of thanks to the Bob Ellis revelations.

  117. None

    Re: that Fairfax piece on Barnaby’s daughter. I’m glad to see that most of the commenters are calling out Fairfax for writing that piece and for publishing that photo in particular.

  118. Fisky

    As to Henson himself, all we can say is he liked to shoot pics of naked underaged girls. But we have to assume some of the loudest defenders of his “art” had more sinister motives.

    It’s time to Me Too the entire Leftist arts community, and start laying rcharges

  119. None

    I think it might be time Fisky to also revisit the fact that Turnbull defended Bill Henson. Also I vaguely remember hearing that he may even own one of his photographs but don’t quote me on that.

  120. Infidel Tiger

    Turnbull owns landscape photos by Henson.

    Let’s try and keep to reality people.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Australians want to hear more about these two issues, I assure you.

    Go the “totus porcus.” Bring on a referendum on four topics – the republic (given that Australians have already rejected a President chosen by both Houses), an indigenous Treaty, lower levels of immigration, and policy on refugees.

  122. Fisky

    Very interesting how the Anti-Pell Star Chamber have nothing to say about Bob Ellis [email protected] underaged girls. Why is that?

  123. None

    I think Boris is being disingenuous. I posted a link to Riccardo’s LinkedIn page with an item from 2 or 3 years ago where the context was quite clear and Boris maliciously compared a joke from that page with a serious statement made in a different context years later. If you now want tell me that was a legitimate question then all I can conclude is that Boris is as thick as a plank. But I’m sticking with disingenuous.

  124. Infidel Tiger

    @reason
    President Trump says he’ll “probably” support a bipartisan bill aiming to protect states with legalized marijuana from federal interference.

    Greatest black President ever.

  125. None

    Thanks Infidel but Turnbull still defended Henson when the c********* photos became news.

  126. 132andBush

    Well said Ric Bossi!!
    +1
    +1
    From two other blokes I’m knocking around with this weekend.

  127. None

    Trump hates drugs it’s an almost pathological hatred which is a good thing.

  128. Fisky

    What proportion of Leftist celebrities over 60 years old will turn out to have been p3dophiles? It must be extremely high! Also note the near 1:1 correlation between being a p3do and joining the anti-Pell witchhunt.

  129. None

    Very interesting how the Anti-Pell Star Chamber have nothing to say about Bob Ellis [email protected] underaged girls. Why is that?

    it’s because I left don’t really give a s*** about child sex abuse. Like I keep saying: All that matters to the left is being left.

  130. Infidel Tiger

    Trump hates drugs it’s an almost pathological hatred which is a good thing.

    He may hate drugs, but he is going to support a bill that allows states to decriminalise pot.

    He is also pardoning many drug traffickers.

    This is fantastic news for his black base. He is ending the failed war on drugs and this will be his greatest legacy.

  131. JC

    Makka
    #2732902, posted on June 10, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    JC, your globalist open border “free trade” wankfest is being derailed and dismantled because people are tired of being told bullshit like ” hey, this will be good for you” by elitist scum. People have twigged to the zero wage growth , hotel busboy jobs and Walmart cheap Chinese junk being fed to them. Trump is doing the absolutely right thing by negotiating one on ones.

    Makka, your imitation of Bill the Butcher is nearing perfection. A couple more tweeks and you’re there. Did you know he was a real person? True.

    The US is nearing full employment now, so your explanation makes no sense. The point you seemed to have missed is to do with purchasing power. Cheaper goods make people wealthier even when wages are static. Static means no growth! US consumption stats prove this.

    But no more about the US. What about us, Bill. Should we have continued on with the car industry?

  132. Makka

    It’s because I left don’t really give a s*** about child sex abuse.

    You are way wrong here. The left are VERY concerned about abusing children. So much so they spare no effort in conditioning people to accept it as child love and then have it legalised.

  133. Death Giraffe

    The woman was supposed to paint the shed today. Instead she has gone skivving off to drink coffee somewhere with the young ‘un.
    Meatballs for dinner.
    Cooked by me, therefore will be tasty.

  134. Infidel Tiger

    @TroyBramston
    ·
    1h
    Shocking story about playwright Dorothy Hewett, whose daughter says Labor man Bob Ellis indecently assaulted her at age 15-16 – there should be no more tributes to Ellis, a truly disgusting and demented man @australian

    Well said Troy.

  135. JC

    Trump hates drugs it’s an almost pathological hatred which is a good thing.

    Sure, I would never take illicit mind altering drugs. However, that doesn’t mean both consumption and sale should be illegal. It doesn’t mean the war on drugs should be continued.

  136. JC

    It’s likely to be true, but how do we know it is, Artiste.

  137. Senile Old Guy

    Sorry John, but the claim that most Oustralians, especially with women, are anti nuclear warships, is a yet another myth perpetrated by our media and others.

    Yes, the MSM only tell you what they want to hear.

  138. H B Bear

    … there should be no more tributes to Ellis, a truly disgusting and demented man @australian

    Like the ones Mavis and others used to write?

  139. Nick

    Meatballs for dinner.
    Cooked by me, therefore will be tasty.

    Well, in Taiwan, meatballs are likely to just that, balls from a meat creating animal.

  140. Infidel Tiger

    The US is nearing full employment now, so your explanation makes no sense.

    Absolute horseshit and testament to why economics is the worst science of all.

    US employment rates are only just now touching the levels they were in 2000!

    There are still 100,000,000 working age Americans without jobs. Male employment rates are historically low and unless they recover America never will.

    Immigration has destroyed the fabric of all western societies and must be banned.

    Get some facts about you and stop being a mental slob.

  141. JC

    Wow, just wow.

    Attorney-General Christian Porter says he supports a royal commission recommendation requiring priests to reveal information they hear in the confessional concerning child sex abuse and will work with his state and territory counterparts to ensure relevant legislation is consistent across jurisdictions.

    The Council of Attorneys-General from states, territories and the Commonwealth met on Friday ahead of their responses to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse’s 409 recommendations, which are due to be handed down this week.

    Mr Porter said he was supportive of the contentious confessional recommendation, but the legislation was a state and territory matter.

  142. Infidel Tiger

    Porter needs to explain if he is still having sex with his staff.

  143. Rae

    Very interesting how the Anti-Pell Star Chamber have nothing to say about Bob Ellis [email protected] underaged girls. Why is that?

    That’s easy, Fisky. It’s because it never happened. It’s just something else that Dorothy’s daughters dreamt up to try to capitalize on their late mother’s infamy. After her death and Bob Elis’s death, so they can’t be sued for it.

    Fer Chissake, you’re sounding more and more like twostix.

  144. Death Giraffe

    I couldn’t give a shit about “the consumer”.
    On our side, i.e the non-lefty English speaking peoples, I want people working and saving.
    Not “consuming”.
    Consumers on our side means more people getting in my way. Driving their new-fangled motor vehicles.
    Strolling about the place.
    Queueing at the bank to get loans for more useless shit they will inevitably get in my way backing up at the tip to throw out.
    Fuckers.
    Less money to invest in factories and farms.
    Just work and save.
    If you have any spare time use it to do 100 push ups and a thousand sit ups and 50 heaves so when our mutual enemies try to invade you are ready to shove a bayonet up their arsehole.

  145. H B Bear

    At least Dorothy Hewett can’t be accused of the usual hypocrisy of the Left. It is one thing to destroy the nuclear family in the abstract, quite a different matter to pimp out your own daughters to your depraved house guests.

  146. Infidel Tiger

    Smart work by the Liberal Party to go to war agaisnst Christians before an election.

    First they attack Christian school funding and now the seal of the confessional.

    Too stupid to survive.

  147. OneWorldGovernment

    My computer wenr down so I’m not sure if Pell has been hung, drawn and quartered yet.

    Can someone advise.

  148. None

    Yes JC I was about to post a link to that item. I’ve always thought Christian Porter was as thick as two planks and just another lefty. I’ve never understood the adulation some have for him. I was pleased to see the other day that Tim Blair noted that he’s usually wrong about everything. This particular episode shows that the Liberal party is totally and utterly corrupt it does not stand for freedom it does not stand for common sense he does not stand for small government it does not stand for low taxes it does not stand for strong families it does not stand for strong defence and the only reason it stands for strong borders at the moment is because Tony Abbott gave it to them but don’t think the luvvies like Turnball don’t want to open up the borders again.

  149. Makka

    You’re such a global open borders arsehole JC. Thankfully the cosy club of elitists is being dismantled now by Trump while the likes of you cry and whine about your collapsing carefully crafted “trade” construct. He’s doing God’s work.

    The best part is that not only are these betas in Euro and NorthAm being bludgeoned into commonsense by tariffs, the Euros will be slapped with sanctions if they don’t tow the line with Iran.

    “Cheaper goods make people wealthier even when wages are static. “

    True. What right do these fkn serfs have to expect improving their incomes and creating opportunities for their children, while there is so much cheap rubber dogshit to be had at Walmart? Ingrates!

  150. Infidel Tiger

    We must never forget that it was Margaret Thatcher herself who told JC he was an idiot.

  151. jupes

    Turnbull owns landscape photos by Henson.

    That’s the equivalent of playing your Gary Glitter albums.

  152. Mak Siccar

    Top Ender
    #2732876, posted on June 10, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    Bloody good on you, Top Ender!

  153. Makka

    Absolute horseshit and testament to why economics is the worst science of all.

    You’re spot on about the horseshit but wrong about the science. It’s simply a platform for cranks to spout made up mathematical theories. Used car salesmen are more ethical than economists. Take JC as an example.

  154. herodotus

    Boris is, as Svetta used to say, “most unattractive man”. A transparent attempt to point score against Bosi brought undone by simply checking the facts. Gab’s apology, although nice, a bit unnecessary.

  155. egg_

    The comments by Australian Energy Market Operator follows NSW losing 3800 megawatts of generation capacity last week, nearly a third of its 12,000MW installed coal generation capacity, raising the threat of blackouts.

    Softening us up for Winter?

  156. JC

    Sorry, but you’re wrong, Artiste. US unemployment is very close to full capacity.

    Thanks for bringing up the issue of immigration – particularly illegal immigration, which is currently estimated to be around 12 million. If anything has held down real wage growth in the bottom quintile it would be that.

    More open trade has greatly helped the US maintain consumer purchasing power and would not have hindered wage growth. It helped consumers!

    The story about wages growth etc, is just a right wing version of the left’s inequality argument. That’s all it is and it should stop, when it comes from the right.

    The one an only thing we should be concerned about is real per capita consumption and the chart above shows it’s moving up at the same slope it did prior to the GFC going back for 40 odd years.

    Focusing on income is how the left argues, which of course means it’s total bullshit.

  157. candy

    Turnbull owns landscape photos by Henson.
    That’s the equivalent of playing your Gary Glitter albums.

    Either would be a creepy thing to keep.

  158. herodotus

    At least Dorothy Hewett can’t be accused of the usual hypocrisy of the Left. It is one thing to destroy the nuclear family in the abstract, quite a different matter to pimp out your own daughters to your depraved house guests.

    You mean hypocrisy like sending your kids to private schools while fostering the “Safe Schools” sexual grooming in the public system? A certain Melbournibad denizen has been accused of just that.

  159. None

    He is also pardoning many drug traffickers.

    it’s not like you tiger to fall for fake news. Trump is actually pardoned fewer people than Obama has at this point in his presidency and you need to compare who he has partnered and why.

    Also if he supports anything he possibly support federalism and not having a federal government interfere in state matters. California legalized pot and it’s now the dead shit state. I doubt you Trump would praise deadshit California, especially after he had another go at Mexico’s drug trafficking at the G7. A young Dutchman was telling me the other day it’s only deadshit tourists and crims that smoke pot in the Netherlands. Their locals aren’t that stupid.

  160. cohenite

    Should we have continued on with the car industry?

    Yes head prefect we should have; and the ship building and mostly the electricity. With Patrick Corp looking after unions.

  161. JC

    Makka
    #2732985, posted on June 10, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    Absolute horseshit and testament to why economics is the worst science of all.

    You’re spot on about the horseshit but wrong about the science. It’s simply a platform for cranks to spout made up mathematical theories. Used car salesmen are more ethical than economists. Take JC as an example.

    Again, no argument from Bill, just more abuse disguised as an argument.

    At least though you didn’t

    ??????????????????????????

    Like the imbeciles’ Pied Piper. Thank God for that.

  162. nemkat

    There were some shenanigans around the Horn/ Crawford weigh in, upshot was that Jeff Horn had to weigh in 3 times, and lose 3 and a !/2 pounds, or forfeit the title.
    Since Horn had already dropped weight to make the limit, that’s where he lost it.

    Lionel Rose ran into the same problem when he defended against Olivares on 22/08/1969.
    Muscle mass decreases with weight loss, and the fight is lost in the steam room.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhUuZtgjdns

  163. Infidel Tiger

    Thanks for bringing up the issue of immigration – particularly illegal immigration, which is currently estimated to be around 12 million. If anything has held down real wage growth in the bottom quintile it would be that.

    Wrong again. There are at least 30,000,000 illegals in the US

    It’s a catastrophe. Immigration stopped being an economic good about 40 years ago. Humans and culture are not fungible and the failure to accept this is deeply stupid.

  164. JC

    cohenite
    #2732992, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    Should we have continued on with the car industry?

    Yes head prefect we should have; and the ship building and mostly the electricity. With Patrick Corp looking after unions.

    Albert, how about the 45K a year we subsidized those lowrent idiots and their union pals in the car industry, comes out of your fucking pocket and not mine.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    Should we have continued on with the car industry?

    We never had a car industry.

    We had a leftist Ponzi scheme for union scum.

  166. H B Bear

    Humans and culture are not fungible and the failure to accept this is deeply stupid.

    Better explain that to a few Libertarians who are unable to distinguish between a Chinaman and a Chinese made 60″ TV.

  167. None

    My computer wenr down so I’m not sure if Pell has been hung, drawn and quartered yet.

    my guess is that a super injunction was granted which means we will hear nothing until the end of the second trial even if the super injunction was granted only for the first 1st. I think that is totally disgusting because the revelations during the committal hearing indicate the both the DPP and the Victoria Police Force have got a case to answer as does the Victorian judiciary therefore it is very very important that the trials are open and transparent so that justice can be seen to be done. What we have now is just startchamber witchhunt behind closed doors. Don’t ever kid yourselves that Australians wouldn’t crucify Jesus again if he walked the Earth today. The persecution of Pell just goes to show how evil and rotten our nation is at its core. And I say that as a non Catholic.

  168. Death Giraffe

    Spent last week going to various businesses looking for Model A parts or people who could fabricate them.
    Still a bit of manufacturing out there.
    One sheet metal place had a giant, automated press to cut out pieces.
    Asked him where he got the dies from (Without the ability to make the shape die you want the machine is useless).
    Manager said some place in WA supplies the dies.
    In other words you have got to go out of state to get the basic supplies for a machine to press shapes required to do simple repetitive manufacturing in sheet metal.

  169. cohenite

    Head prefect, read what I said about Patrick Corp. And who could argue against these.

  170. Very interesting how the Anti-Pell Star Chamber have nothing to say about Bob Ellis [email protected] underaged girls. Why is that?

    Fisky, get on twitter and start making some noise. Do it!

  171. Boambee John

    Top Ender

    Like your submarine item.

    But, but, but, where are the opportunities for political graft?

  172. Tom

    Why am I suddenly thinking of Black Widow spiders?

    Because you are a girl, Gab.

    It’s OK: the Cat has so many girls — even among the menfolk.

  173. Baldrick

    Harvey Ballard #MeToo hypocrite:

    Comedian Tom Ballard denies sexual assault claims
    POPULAR comedian and broadcaster Tom Ballard has published a statement denying claims he sexually assaulted an aspiring comedian.
    A man took to social media on Saturday, alleging Ballard had indecently assaulted him in a hotel room in June 2014.
    “His version of that experience as described on social media is simply not what happened. This false claim has been spread via social media, text messages and gossip. It has been deeply distressing for me, my friends and my family. It has affected my work and my mental health,” Ballard added.
    The man complained to police, but he claims the investigation didn’t go further because Ballard “hadn’t gone outside of the confines of the law”.
    Ballard, a former Triple J host, added: “I abhor sexual assault and sexual violence. I absolutely support the philosophy of the #MeToo movement

  174. JC

    Wrong again. There are at least 30,000,000 illegals in the US

    It’s a catastrophe. Immigration stopped being an economic good about 40 years ago. Humans and culture are not fungible and the failure to accept this is deeply stupid.

    Sure and helping to highlight my argument even more in that it hasn’t been trade that has impacted wages growth, it’s been the high illegal immigration levels. The higher you go with this stat the more it makes the argument for me that it’s not trade Agent Orange should be focusing on.

    And by the way, Artiste. Despite all Agent Orange has said against immigration, the only thing he’s done is cut the ref numbers down to around 15,000 a year. Legal immigration hasn’t even been touched. In other words, it’s zilch.

    He’s bullshitting about cutting down (economic) immigration numbers.

    Until two days ago, his trade policy was totally nonsensical hog wash. I do support him on a Western Atlantic free trade zone. That’s a good idea. In fact it’s a great idea…. Remember what I said about purchasing power.

  175. Atoms for Peace

    I like the way car tariffs are still present, despite no car industry to protect.

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Better explain that to a few Libertarians who are unable to distinguish between a Chinaman and a Chinese made 60″ TV.

    If it was only the obscure and irrelevant libertarians it would be okay. That the political class all believe it the major challenge facing our country.

    One of the weirder things I have noticed is how many Catholics support unfettered legal immigration. I am trying to understand how this weirdness developed.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    I like the way car tariffs are still present, despite no car industry to protect.

    Have a look at how much the car dealer cartels donate to each party.

    This is simple stuff. Australia is a horridly corrupt country.

    We even have that fraud Custard here arguing against parallel imports and pretending to support the every man. I am sorry to single him out but I must be true to myself.

  178. Death Giraffe

    Albert, how about the 45K a year we subsidized those lowrent idiots and their union pals in the car industry, comes out of your fucking pocket and not mine.

    ..
    Guess what?
    You’re still subsidizing them JC.
    Only now, instead of making cars, which at least meant we had the ability to do a vast range of other interesting stuff too, now you are paying them to drive around putting out traffic cones. Or to go onto John Constantine’s farm and make sure all the sheep have ear tags or some shit like that.
    Those useless people didn’t just disappear because they stopped making cars.
    And the unions? They just move into other areas that effect you more directly.
    Like:

    Among the country’s Public Administration and Defence workers, union membership is well above the national average, sitting at 28.7% (or 201,000 people). Other industries with elevated levels of union membership include Electricity, Gas and Water at 27.3% (or 98,000

  179. egg_

    The current state of AEMO would be comparable to a Libertarian model for immigration?

    We’re still paying a luxury car tax, even without local production?

  180. JC

    Atoms for Peace
    #2733008, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    I like the way car tariffs are still present, despite no car industry to protect.

    Welcome to modern Australian government.

    This should be a no brainer. Cutting those useless tariffs would be immensely popular and increase consumer purchasing power massively.

  181. Nick

    Attorney-General Christian Porter says he supports a royal commission recommendation requiring priests to reveal information they hear in the confessional

    A strange world where a priest is compelled to say something but a journalists’ right to protect a source is upheld.

  182. egg_

    I like the way car tariffs are still present, despite no car industry to protect.

    As predicted, the ideologues missed the point that manufacturing was the tip of avery big iceberg.

  183. OneWorldGovernment

    Atoms for Peace
    #2733008, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    I like the way car tariffs are still present, despite no car industry to protect.

    Poor blokes.

    I think Mal and Bill should double the tarrif.

  184. Nick

    If Ballard was heterosexual and right of centre, he’d be howled out of his job.

  185. Rockdoctor

    Sorry I call BS on this story, Finder.com.au hardly seems credible but the amount of hours I have spent in holding patterns over Brisbane waiting to land after BAC chose to delay construction of runway 2 to build car parks is phenomenal. They don’t even rate a mention apparently…

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/these-australian-airports-had-the-most-delays-in-2017/news-story/48b604cee3a195a1d31e15d7ca846cfe

  186. H B Bear

    Once the #Metoo crew get started on the homos stand back for a tsunami. Their “lifestyle” is more akin to Dorothy Hewitt house party.

  187. JC

    Have a look at how much the car dealer cartels donate to each party.

    I don’t get it. Why would the car dealers oppose tariffs cuts. They would sell more new cars.

    We even have that fraud Custard here arguing against parallel imports and pretending to support the every man. I am sorry to single him out but I must be true to myself.

    Yep.

  188. egg_

    Better explain that to a few Libertarians who are unable to distinguish between a Chinaman and a Chinese made 60″ TV.

    Smart TV’s listening in?
    /Tinfoil hat

  189. Head prefect, read what I said about Patrick Corp

    JC doesn’t “do” satire, Cohenite.

  190. Baldrick

    Attorney-General Christian Porter says he supports a royal commission recommendation requiring priests to reveal information they hear in the confessional

    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals.
    If they’re going to open up this loophole then do it for journalists protecting their sources, as Nick said, and lawyer–client privilege too.

  191. egg_

    Spent last week going to various businesses looking for Model A parts or people who could fabricate them.

    Luckily it’s not a 1920s Kraut Wagen.

  192. OneWorldGovernment

    JC

    what amazae me is that the panty waist gave AUD$25millian to poor broken down Hillary and then sighned off on the Uraniam to Russia boondoggle.

    Come back USR.

  193. JC

    Oh okay, it would cause a time drop in used car prices.

    There’s a fucking Gerry Harvey hiding under every god damned rock in the stupid country.

  194. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t get it. Why would the car dealers oppose tariffs cuts. They would sell more new cars.

    The car dealer cartel don’t need tariffs now but they won’t allow any competition to their heavily protected scam industry.

    Have you seen how rich the car dealing cartels are? It’s sickening.

  195. egg_

    Should we have continued on with the car industry?

    Nah, p1ss the money up the wall on subs, instead.

  196. areff

    Top Ender: Re your submarine piece, get in touch. Will use it online tomorrow, if you wish.

  197. calli

    his “verbose Y-fronts

    Describing Bob Ellis. Perfect.

  198. Attorney-General Christian Porter says he supports a royal commission recommendation requiring priests to reveal information they hear in the confessional

    Even considering the pitiful position the Church is in the episcopate should nevertheless tell the political class to sod off.

  199. Infidel Tiger

    It is incredible that we are spending $50bn on 12 subs.

    We could relocate Tesla here for that coin.

  200. nemkat

    Since the Church is a major supplier of Migrant Resettlement Services to the Feds, I think it may be a case of Who Pays the Piper Calls the Tune.
    Perhaps they should’ve thought of that before they sold their arse.

  201. cohenite

    I like the way car tariffs are still present, despite no car industry to protect.

    Unfuckingbelievable. How is that possible?

  202. OneWorldGovernment

    Infidel Tiger
    #2733035, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    It is incredible that we are spending $50bn on 12 subs.

    We could relocate Tesla here for that coin.

    I would beat every single farqueing South Australian in the mouth for far cheaper than that.

  203. cohenite

    JC doesn’t “do” satire, Cohenite.

    Or irony. He is a joy.

  204. Death Giraffe

    Gay nick name:
    ..

    Pilots in F-35 community are referring to the jet as “Panther”.

  205. Delta A

    Tim Blair not happy with the old soak.

    And so it goes.

  206. OneWorldGovernment

    Donald Bradman became a scum filth banker.

    I would personally kick the guts out of Bradman and those other scum.

  207. Death Giraffe

    “Panther pilot”.
    Sounds like a costume- inspired gay sex role play, not the operator a war machine.

  208. Atoms for Peace

    The F35 nick name is Panza. If only our pilots didn’t lisp.

  209. Nick

    I’m not sure that Tomcat was much better.

  210. JC

    Unfuckingbelievable. How is that possible?

    I can’t figure if the libs are stupid, or just mendacious douchebags. Zeroing tariffs would be an incredibly popular thing to do and selling it to consumers as them (the Libs) showing concern for making goods cheaper for the punter…. how could not gain more support.

    They may be worried about raising the deficit, but the increase in purchasing power would go someway towards actually countering the red ink. They’re fucking mad not to do it.

  211. Eyrie

    Death Giraffe
    #2733041, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:41 pm

    Gay nick name:
    ..

    Pilots in F-35 community are referring to the jet as “Panther”.

    Tell that to the guys who flew the famous F9F Grumman cat in Korea, the Grumman Panther. As seen in the movie Bridges at Toko Ri. Among the pilots was one Neil Armstrong, later famous as the first human being to walk on another world – then and forever.

  212. squawkbox

    Am I the only cat who had never heard of Dorothy Hewett until 2 days ago? Hell of a thing to be remembered for, giving obese elderly drunk stalinists carte blanche to molest your daughters.

  213. Eyrie

    BTW the F-16 is known to its pilots as the “Viper”. The official name is “Fighting Falcon”.

  214. OneWorldGovernment

    Alan Border was and is the finest Australian Cricketer who shits upon the despicable South Australian so called cricketers.

  215. Rae

    If only it had worked on Ellis.

    Ah. If only Blair, or Neill, or even Hewetts daughters, named people who were actually still living. Or had named those others, long gone but mentioned in the article, when they were still alive. But they didn’t, did they? Why might that be?

  216. Nick

    Apparently Ch 9 has Warner as a commentator for the one day Internationals against England. I won’t be watching.

  217. OneWorldGovernment

    The French can get fucked as they would not give Australia parts for the Mirage Fighters we bought off them.

  218. OneWorldGovernment

    The French are Poofters.

  219. Death Giraffe

    So it isn’t even an original gay nickname, but a recycled one?
    Couldn’t they come up with a new, gay nickname?
    The F35 Gerbil?
    The F35 Rainbow Unicorn?
    The F35 Reach- Around?

  220. Peter Castieau

    IT I happen to be a member of a political party that supports the scrapping of import duties and luxury taxes on cars.

    Are you?

  221. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The French can get fucked as they would not give Australia parts for the Mirage Fighters we bought off them.

    That’s an old myth, was debunked some time ago, on this site. The actual French statement was that “there were no circumstances under which Australia would ever be denied spares for the Mirage 111 fighters.”

  222. Fisky;

    She recalls one of those encounters in a new poem, Chattel, while in her book Rozanna writes of how Ellis allegedly forced her “reluctant ­fingers” inside his “verbose Y-fronts”. That poem is called Come Here, Child.

    Wow!
    #metoo is a boomerang for the Left in Australia!
    For Gods sake, if your party is full of sexual perverts, and I challenge anyone to say they didn’t know that, why on earth would you start a movement to expose them?
    The #metoo movement is turning into the Left’s most spectacular own goal since Marx had this great idea.

  223. OneWorldGovernment

    Our Australian poofta in Chief buys shit from the French poofta in Chief!

    Love it.

  224. JC

    Peter Castieau
    #2733060, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:59 pm

    IT I happen to be a member of a political party that supports the scrapping of import duties and luxury taxes on cars.

    Are you?

    But you weren’t, when you said were running as an independent were you and when you last spoke about it? Nice twisting there, Custard.

  225. Peter Castieau

    And I support the policy

  226. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2733061, posted on June 10, 2018 at 5:59 pm

    The French can get fucked as they would not give Australia parts for the Mirage Fighters we bought off them.

    That’s an old myth, was debunked some time ago, on this site. The actual French statement was that “there were no circumstances under which Australia would ever be denied spares for the Mirage 111 fighters.”

    Funny how my dumb father-in-law told me where he worked to keep planes in the air.

    I loathe the fucking French.

  227. OneWorldGovernment

    The French are Poofters and Liars.

  228. Eyrie

    Jeez the froggies actually denied the Israelis a bunch of Mirages that were paid for. So they stole the plans and made the Kfir with the GE J-79 instead of the Atar.

  229. OneWorldGovernment

    ZK2A

    so you think t6he Poofta French were justified to blow the boat in NZ?

  230. Nick

    There’s a delicious irony in Kim travelling on a Chinese owned jet that was built in the USA.

    I liked the Aussie Kim impersonator who told the camera that he’d like to meet Turnbull and his delicious wife. Rolfmao.

  231. Eyrie

    “So it isn’t even an original gay nickname, but a recycled one?”
    The really funny thing is that the pilots don’t like the re-cycled name “Lightning 2” after the P-38 Lightning and they are now using a re-cycled name.
    As for “Tomcat”, Grumman was running out of cat names for its naval fighters. I came close to buying a Grumman AA-1 once. I was going to call it the Grumman Hauscat.

  232. OneWorldGovernment

    The French pooftersand pissant Germans are giving Iran the technology for a Nuclear Bomb.

  233. Fisky

    Shocking to see that leading Twitter feminists have had nothing at all to say about the fact that Bob Ellis rap-ed underaged girls. What is wrong with these people??

  234. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I liked the Aussie Kim impersonator who told the camera that he’d like to meet Turnbull and his delicious wife. Rolfmao.

    The Aussie Kim impersonator, who went to Singapore, and was promptly thrown into clink by the local cops?

  235. Roger

    Bob Ellis is dead. Perhaps tonight there will be born a baby with the talent that man was given.

    Annabel Crabb, Twitter 10:13 PM – Apr 3, 2016

    Annabel since the revelations? Crickets.

  236. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So it isn’t even an original gay nickname, but a recycled one?
    Couldn’t they come up with a new, gay nickname?
    The F35 Gerbil?
    The F35 Rainbow Unicorn?
    The F35 Reach- Around

    Steady on. There are trolls here about to shoot their load.

  237. OneWorldGovernment

    I would love to have a go at taking over Afghanistan.

    But you would have to listen to me.

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