Monday Forum: June 11, 2018

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  1. nemkat

    Entropy
    #2735399
    Banning live exports isn’t just about sheep, it will put almost every northern Australian pastoralist out of business, with flow on effects through the rest of the sector.

    Cry me a river. They’re in the business of rooting Australia for a quick buck, and they want sympathy?
    Mate, if they can’t farm responsibly, i’m sure there are plenty who are prepared to give it a shot.

  2. JC

    Who’s gunna iron the jeans then?

    She doesn’t, that’s for sure. There’s a ironing lady for that. Linda, who’s crazier than a rattle snake on heat.

  3. Gab

    Never you mind about that, CL. That’s secret wymmins business!

  4. Pedro the Ignorant

    Prince George shot all the other kids at playgroup.
    Self defence.
    They knicked his salt and vinegar chips and Mars bars.

    Leigh Lowe (9.26pm) wins the internet for today.

    ROFL, as all the cool kids say. 🙂

  5. Entropy

    You know nothing, DimKat.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    I’m late on this, but apparently Pamela Anderson has had meetings with Putin?

    This is a helluva time to be alive.

  7. John Constantine

    “Poor returns and frustrating business conditions have convinced Elders to cut its last investment ties with the live export sector in Indonesia, selling its 8200-head feedlot and abattoir near Jakarta.”

    https://www.farmonline.com.au/story/5331231/elders-quits-indonesian-abattoir-and-feedlot/

  8. urb

    You’re bullshitting JC. Linda is not a Mexican name

  9. MsDolittle

    Irreconcilable differences due to the spouse’s underhanded subscription to the New York Times.

    What the hell are you doing scratching around that poor, long suffering, woman’s credit card statement? Serves you right.

  10. C.L.

    Excellent news, Gab. 🙂

  11. Leigh Lowe

    I never looked at her side of the credit card statement until earlier today

    Not long after the honeymoon I had to explain to Mrs Lowe …
    “This number in the top right of the Bankcard (remember Bankcard?) statement.
    It’s a limit.
    Not a target.”

  12. Leigh Lowe

    Prince George shot all the other kids at playgroup

    Actually, that is not strictly true.
    He bayonetted two.
    They are keeping him away from Phil for a while.

  13. Gab

    “This number in the top right of the Bankcard (remember Bankcard?) statement.
    It’s a limit.
    Not a target.”

    Wot…? Ya kidding, surely!

  14. nemkat

    I wish them well. No doubt an Animals Australia and get up campaign well funded by the MUA would sort them out though.

    What has the MUA got to do with it, Entropy?
    You sure you know what you’re talking about, old feller?

  15. Leigh Lowe

    urb

    #2735443, posted on June 12, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    You’re bullshitting JC. Linda is not a Mexican name

    Well, der.
    All wetback ironing ladies give a false name.
    One step ahead of ICE and the IRS.

  16. hzhousewife

    I’m s happy as anybody could be with developments in North Korea and more power to Trump, but am I imagining reports a few months ago of the main NK nuclear weapons manufacturing facility blowing up and self-destructing?

    Last October

  17. Zatara

    I just found out Wifey has had a subscription to the NYTImes for years

    “But I just buy it for the crossword.”

  18. Armadillo

    Thanks for the link to the presser, Zat. Impressive.

    I was expecting a question about how Kim is going to sell the deal to his own public. Generations of brain washing by the state controlled media is going to be difficult to overcome.

    Then again, the majority of USSR citizens didn’t seem too perturbed when the wall finally came down.

  19. Oh come on

    So Tom Ballard is Australia’s answer to Kevin Spacey? Not wrt talent – Ballard is of course an ABC hack – but proclivities.

    Another sex pest. And a fat bastard to boot. Listen, you fat fag. Nobody wants to think about your perverse sex life. If you force us to, at least have the decency to lose some weight.

  20. OneWorldGovernment

    John Constantine
    #2735442, posted on June 12, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    “Poor returns and frustrating business conditions have convinced Elders to cut its last investment ties with the live export sector in Indonesia, selling its 8200-head feedlot and abattoir near Jakarta.”

    There is NO business as we know it done in Indonesia, nor most Islamic countries.

    I merely included Malaysia because of proximaty to Australia and the opportunity, with Malaysian Chinese, to send processed meat back to Australia.

  21. nemkat

    “Poor returns and frustrating business conditions have convinced Elders to cut its last investment ties with the live export sector in Indonesia, selling its 8200-head feedlot and abattoir near Jakarta.”
    Indonesia is a corrupt shithole and they did their dough.
    Serves them right.

  22. calli

    I was expecting a question about how Kim is going to sell the deal to his own public.

    Food should bring them round.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2735441, posted on June 12, 2018 at 9:22 pm

    I’m late on this, but apparently Pamela Anderson has had meetings with Putin?

    Well, it’s not hard to cut Julian Assange’s lunch at the moment.

  24. Confused Old Misfit

    I think we need to send the Nemkat out to see how sausages are really made. That will really turn him into the gay vegan wimp he is trying emulate.

  25. John Constantine

    The crony cartel running meat processing in Australia is waiting to be readjusted.

    Robot meatworks were always the big hope, but the system is too entrenched to allow robotics to work to potential.

    Decentralising from big crony meatworks to hundreds of small mobile on farm processing trucks is the only back to the future way around the cronyism that I can see.

    Shorten will never allow this, so there is a narrow window for their turnbullites to sneak through permits for the onfarm niche processing.

    Unfortunately the most rapid uptake for these will be the fundamentalist halal slaughter market, currently done on hills hoists in backyards with the blood flushed down the dunny.

    There will be an open eid festival of slaughter in western Sydney soon enough anyway, so what difference does a few years earlier matter?.

    Hundreds of trucks servicing local niche brands, with the stress on animals taken out of the process and longer hanging and dry aging times will mean a revolution in eating quality.

    Their shorten looting cartel will be under strict orders from the bruvvers of the meatworkers cartel to allow no change to the current cosy cartel though.

    Comrades.

  26. Oh come on

    Trump said his team had brought the video to Singapore on ‘on a cassette and an iPad.’ It’s unclear whether the White House believed it would have to provide an old-technology way for Kim to view it once he was home in Pyongyang.

    LOL Trump is a genius.

  27. Confused Old Misfit

    how Kim is going to sell the deal to his own public

    I rather expect he has to sell it to his own military and elite rather than the general public.

  28. JC

    I had to.

    @TomCBallard Hey Dude, should we think more along the lines of Kevin Spacey or Big Fat Harvey?#metoo

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You know nothing, DimKat.

    Fair comment. I’ll bet good money that DimCat is one of those who thinks that food appears by magic on the supermarket shelves.

  30. urb

    Anyone know if the trumpnado gets his jeans ironed? It might catch on

  31. nemkat

    Another sex pest. And a fat bastard to boot. Listen, you fat fag. Nobody wants to think about your perverse sex life. If you force us to, at least have the decency to lose some weight.

    The bloke’s sexuality isn’t the issue though, is it.
    The issue is that Ballard invited the bloke back to his place for a drink, and assaulted him.
    Indecent assault is the issue, yet the ABC are saying ”Look away, nothing to see here.”

    And so are you, OCO.

  32. Infidel Tiger

    Trump would never wear jeans.

  33. Oh come on

    Ballard has the bulk of Harvey, the proclivities of Spacey and the talent of neither.

  34. hzhousewife

    I was expecting a question about how Kim is going to sell the deal to his own public. Generations of brain washing by the state controlled media is going to be difficult to overcome.

    I thought I heard earlier this morning that NK had reported to their plebs that Kim baby was in Singapore for meetings with Trump. Not sure what spin was put on it. Worth watching – but what possible news reportage will anyone in the lefty west make, where to look for information?

  35. JC

    @leighsales Leigh, someone at Catallaxy blog was curious. Seeing you breathlessly produced Pell’s accuser for something 40 years ago, why are you guys hiding Ballard’s and not even mentioning this #emtoo incident? Curious, is this an ABC doubt standard?

  36. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #2735474, posted on June 12, 2018 at 9:41 pm

    Trump would never wear jeans.

    Mommy jeans perhaps. Slim Fit…? I don’t think they’d have a pair large enough.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mate, if they can’t farm responsibly, i’m sure there are plenty who are prepared to give it a shot.

    Quite so – Malaysian, Chinese or Saudi money is always prepared to give farming in Australia a shot. Australians, not so keen. Farming is seen as “demeaning” and “uncool.”

  38. Oh come on

    Spacey and Weinstein are disgraceful sex pests, no doubt about it. But at least they were good at their jobs. What redeeming feature does fatso Dullard have?

  39. JC

    Farming is seen as “demeaning” and “uncool.

    No it’s not, done right and you’re sitting in a Park Ave., or Greenwich Ct. office.

    Farming, to be profitable, has to be on very large scale and highly mechanized. It why US based hedge funds are buying up very large Australian land parcels and making a very decent go of it.

  40. Oh come on

    You can get away with a *lot* of shit if you’re good at your job. What excuse does Dullard have?

    This is ABC. Incubator of artless, talentless sex predators.

  41. stackja

    Much MSM about Kim brutality. Yet in the past all Communists, beloved by MSM, were just as brutal. Khrushchev killed how many millions. Yet MSM liked his negotiations with Ike,

  42. Rae

    Linda is not a Mexican name

    Don’t see why not. Linda is a Spanish word, and that’s what Mexicans speak.

  43. nemkat

    Robot meatworks were always the big hope, but the system is too entrenched to allow robotics to work to potential.
    The Qld Government spent about $40 mil. on a SOTA turnkey abattoir at Kilcoy over 20 years ago.
    Complete failure.
    Labour costs in the Indutry are well under 10%, so what’s the point anyway?

    Decentralising from big crony meatworks to hundreds of small mobile on farm processing trucks is the only back to the future way around the cronyism that I can see.

    By products are where the profit is, if there is any, and that requires fixed plant, so this is another pointless pipe dream that makes no economic sense.

    Here’s the reality:
    The Cockies got the land for nothing, apart from the cost of wagon loads of bullets, and as far as they’re concerned, no ones making any money out of that land but them.

  44. feelthebern

    monty get here so you can be ridiculed by a mob.

  45. JC

    You know, Australians by and large a xunts to each other.

    I watched a 7.30 segment this evening about old retired types heading to parts of Queensland and speccing for gold with those electronic metal detector thingis. They’re doing it on public land. The leaseholders – beef guys- are up in arms about it, complaining and wanting to stop it. What a bunch of miserable fucking pricks we are to a large extent. What possible harm would oldies buzzing around the outback with a metal detractor do to hurt them?
    The ban syndrome runs deep in this freaking place. I’m writing it up as a mental illness in the New England Medical Journal.

  46. Leigh Lowe

    Look, I can’t stand Bollard, but I am fond of the presumption of innocence.

  47. feelthebern

    presumption of innocence.

    Oh Leigh.
    So very vintage of you.

  48. P

    Hi JC,
    I was married for 42 years when I lost my beautiful husband to cancer. I was always free to do my own thing. I subscribed to publications that my husband had no interest in.
    In our marriage I always felt free.
    I did my own thing as he did his, and he subscribed to many music mags that we probably couldn’t at times afford. I didn’t mind cause I saw the joy he got from them.

    Continue to give you wife complete freedom in all things. IMO this complements marriage.

  49. JC

    Look, I can’t stand Bollard, but I am fond of the presumption of innocence.

    There will be a time and place for that, but not just now when 99% of the accused are lefties. Just enjoy it while it lasts.

  50. Mother Lode

    Bollard is fond of innocence too.

    The wide trusting eyes, the soft, soft skin, the hesitation, the sobbing…

  51. Leigh Lowe

    I know bern.
    But this has become an epidemic.
    Any jilted lover, pissed off neighbour, fired employee sinlky has to point the finger, scream #metoo and … poof (so to speak) … and your career and reputation is fucked.

  52. feelthebern

    Imagine the binge eating monty would be doing today.
    Clive Palmer-esque.

  53. Oh come on

    Yes. Watching the monster these xunts very deliberately released turn on them is just too delicious. Let the rule of law step in. After a judicious pause.

  54. Armadillo

    presumption of innocence.

    Pell.

  55. feelthebern

    Essentially, you are obliged to film any sexual encounters, just to be sure there can be no allegations of non-consent.
    Unfortunately, this will turn people off sex.
    The human race ends now.
    We had a good run.

  56. JC

    P
    Sorry about your hubby,
    Fair enough, but there are limits and as Artiste said earlier this has to be a bigger infraction than bonking the pool boy. 🙂

  57. H B Bear

    Another sex pest. And a fat bastard to boot. Listen, you fat fag. Nobody wants to think about your perverse sex life. If you force us to, at least have the decency to lose some weight.

    Aren’t poofters supposed to be neat, thin and well dressed? What is this rainbow slob’s excuse?

  58. feelthebern

    It could be worse than the NYT.
    It could be the Washington Post.

  59. John Constantine

    The hedge funds buying and farming Australian farms have simply been riding the property Ponzi scheme.

    They would have all been better off just buying the best located highest percentile in value mansions in the capital cities.

    Here is a tip.

    It is possible to do an actuary calculation on what happens when the property Ponzi levels out.

    The asset allocation consultants for the big funds see no farmland price increase, or a fall, then they all tip their holdings on the market at the same time. And no other fund is buying.

    Billion dollars can’t get out an illiquid market in the same quarter.

    They ain’t in it for the graingrowing.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Cockies got the land for nothing, apart from the cost of wagon loads of bullets, and as far as they’re concerned, no ones making any money out of that land but them.

    You forgot the poisoned waterholes, the smallpox infected blankets, and the strychnine laced flour. If you are going to cite “stories that my Nanna told me” get it right.

  61. feelthebern

    What are you on about Bear?
    You sound like a grizzled old gold prospector from Deadwood.
    Goddam hooplehead.

  62. Leigh Lowe

    There will be a time and place for that, but not just now when 99% of the accused are lefties. Just enjoy it while it lasts.

    Yeah, great, but this is how it will play out.
    The left will organise and close ranks. Right or wrong, there will be no more Spaceys hung out to dry. The smear stories will ready to go against accusers and will be peddled by the meeja.
    But this tactic will be adopted and honed by the left against their enemies.
    I predict we will see a couple in the next round of federal Liberal preselections against conservatives.

  63. JC

    P

    I think a fair and righteous punishment is that she irons my attire for a month. That would be close to a life sentence for her, just as it would be for any overworked, time poor western female.

  64. Leigh Lowe

    Fuck.
    What am I doing?
    I am actually talking to a NYT subscriber.
    I feel dirty.

  65. feelthebern

    John, only 5% of Australian farming is via corporates.
    In the US it is approx 30%.
    Sure there are cycles when it comes to ag land prices, but we are just at the beginning of this trend.
    Water security makes Australia a standout in the global ag scene.

  66. H B Bear

    Spacey and Weinstein are disgraceful sex pests, no doubt about it. But at least they were good at their jobs. What redeeming feature does fatso Dullard have?

    Ballard’s main claim to fame is rogering that other whiney, homo, self-described comedian. It’s enough to get you a job at Googles’ ALPBC but I’m not sure I’d call it a talent.

  67. nemkat

    What a bunch of miserable fucking pricks we are to a large extent. What possible harm would oldies buzzing around the outback with a metal detractor do to hurt them?

    As i said earlier, these blokes got the land for the price of bullets, they’re like an Aristocracy, except there’s nothing gentlemanly about them.
    Plenty of these holdings are larger than some European countries, but the bastards would still die of envy if some geezer found a nugget on their land.

  68. feelthebern

    Chrissy Pyne will have to answer for not giving a reach around (x1000).

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The hedge funds buying and farming Australian farms have simply been riding the property Ponzi scheme.

    It was just before we “moved off the place” in July, 2015, but the representative of one of the hedge funds, who’d brought into Australian farms was gnashing his teeth and tearing his hair because they didn’t believe how little Australian farmers received in subsidies and support. Apparently, they’d brought Australia farmland, thinking Australian farmers received support in the same way American farmers did.

  70. feelthebern

    PM Live shift change.
    Caroline Marcus off, bald former ALP dick bag on.
    That’s all folks.

  71. P

    Fair enough, but there are limits

    Nah. When a woman truly loves a man, it’s forever. The man need never worry.

    You know that JC.
    Never question yourself or you wife. Just thank God for you’ve got.

  72. Armadillo

    JC, she’s probably watching CNN whilst your having your morning coffee and smoking your morning cigarette from your hidden stash behind the barista counter.

    She’s obviously not to be trusted.

  73. nemkat

    The asset allocation consultants for the big funds see no farmland price increase, or a fall, then they all tip their holdings on the market at the same time. And no other fund is buying.

    Billion dollars can’t get out an illiquid market in the same quarter.

    Let’s say that happens

    So what?

  74. Robber Baron

    The Left must be thinking ‘if only Trump was black’

    Pretty soon orange will become the new black. Just give it a bit of time.

  75. JC

    John Constantine

    Thanks for the reply. I value your input in this, but here’s my take. Even if land prices fall and they could, it doesn’t always mean the ROE will be below expectations.

    Case in point. Wifey comes from around Kerang .. just a short trek from Echuca. Her dad and bros were /are farmers. Something complicated occurred with water rights there and it’s become an area where there’s been a lot of land buying by US fund interests. I’m talking about huge parcels of land. What used to be wheat and sheep is now seeing nut farming etc. The place has completely changed.
    It’s actually incredible, because you would never see Kerang and NY Hedge fund in one sentence anywhere in this universe.

    Look, demand for high quality protein should make Australian land a decent bet over the long term. Forget the short term wiggles.

  76. Rae

    The wide trusting eyes, the soft, soft skin, the hesitation, the sobbing…

    Meh. You did better with Grigor and Beth.

  77. John Constantine

    New Zealand to raise contracting prices for shearing sheep, to lure kiwi shearers back home.

    The whole contract price with the 25% increase is still only about what the shearer gets per head in Australia and all the other staff have to be paid out of it.

    The threat is real though, without kiwi shearers, the wool industry stops. All time highs for merino wool versus bottom of the cycle prices for broad kiwi crossbred types means Australia can outbid for shearers right now.

    Will be an interesting spring once the first cockies go over four bucks a head bidding for shearers.

  78. harrys on the boat

    Rodmans interview with that arsehole Cuomo on CNN was one for the ages. MAGA hat, slapping Obama, praising Trump. What a world we’re living in.

  79. Bruce in WA

    Just for the record, I think P is genuine.

    Make of it what you will.

  80. Rockdoctor

    egg, cheers will have a look at it see if it works…

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Rodmans interview with that arsehole Cuomo on CNN was one for the ages. MAGA hat, slapping Obama, praising Trump. What a world we’re living in.

    And spruiking a crypto currency based on pot.

    2018 rocks.

  82. Bruce in WA

    Mind you, wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been conned by some sweet-talking young filly …

  83. JC

    Ronery

    This is why you can never be trusted on anything you ever post here. It’s nearly always bullshit.

    It was just before we “moved off the place” in July, 2015, but the representative of one of the hedge funds, who’d brought into Australian farms was gnashing his teeth and tearing his hair because they didn’t believe how little Australian farmers received in subsidies and support. Apparently, they’d brought Australia farmland, thinking Australian farmers received support in the same way American farmers did.

    The canniest most astute investors in the world are hedgies – particularly the NY variety of that species. What you’re suggesting is that these people would simply buy up land – assuming there were all these subsidies etc and then fell flat because they never looked into it. It’s the first thing the lead of an investor group would do is look at the tax and subsidy angle. It’s actually disturbing to see how disturbed and stupid you are thinking you could peddle this unsophisticated bullshit here. It’s also angrifying! You’re worse than Homer Paxton!

  84. JC

    John Constantine

    I read somewhere that either Zegna or Loro Piana were finally making an investment in oz in the wool sector by buying very high grade farms. Did you read about it. I think it was in the press about a year ago. A French manufacturer was also doing the same.

  85. P

    Just for the record, I think P is genuine.
    Make of it what you will.

    Thank Bruce WA, but it doesn’t matter. The pile on has been completed.

    Thanks anyway for stating what you’ve seen.

    Cheers my friend, I wish you well.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    And spruiking a crypto currency based on pot.

    2018 rocks.

    I want in.
    Where do I buy?

  87. Bruce in WA

    Fill your hands you sonofabitch!

  88. John Constantine

    There is a big demand for protein, but we are now learning how to create vast bulks of it at lower profit margins.

    Two years ago Australia created a massive mountain of agricultural produce that was simply too great to be exported through our ports in one year, causing a price slump.

    Without an average production year last year and a lean production year this year to clear the carryover, the price impact would have been horrendous, a profit drought in a high production year if we had have had two big production years back to back.

    The profitless boom looms.

    Local councils actually look forward to the clearances of peasant farmers to be replaced with fly in fly out corporates. councils can then become service providers to the refugee dispersal area schemes, funded by massive rates charged to the corporate farms. seeing the dreamy look on CEO’s faces as they describe this best of all possible futures is a wake up call.

    My take is that the fund money in dryland marginal areas is Ponzi capital growth chasing money. we see even now the funds oozing towards high rainfall cropping zones and high security irrigation areas.

    I cannot see any stickiness in fund money in boom and bust country, returns that cannot indicate continual year on year growth will be a hard sell.

    Massive production gains in bulk, but with price per unit stagnation or reduction. couple that with land price booms as the property Ponzi ripples out into beyond the black stump country and the numbers stop showing a nice chart of predicted every growing returns on capital from operations, just the Ponzi capital growth.

  89. nemkat

    The threat is real though, without kiwi shearers, the wool industry stops

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.
    IIRC, they brought a heap of kiwi scabs over here 35 years ago, to drive down rates for Australian shearers, a mongrel of a thing to do.
    After that, they couldn’t find Aussies who wanted to learn to shear.
    I wonder why?

  90. Farmer Gez

    All this farm chat and I don’t care.
    Trump has made the MSM eat a shit sandwich today.
    I’m content for now.

  91. Baldrick

    Mothballs! I hate the smell of mothballs.

  92. Armadillo

    Nemkat, stop embarrassing yourself.

  93. Pedro the Ignorant

    I watched a 7.30 segment this evening about old retired types heading to parts of Queensland and speccing for gold with those electronic metal detector thingis. They’re doing it on public land.

    JC at 9.58pm.

    “old retired types”. Hohohoho. They are no better than thieves.

    Legitimate prospecting, exploration or mining leaseholders have to jump through many .gov hoops to establish the right to dig up gold (or any other mineral).

    If you want to go detecting, go to the Mines Department, get your Miners Right, find out what land is already under claim and go find your own elsewhere.

    These thieving tourists seem to think they can pull up anywhere in their caravan, get out the detector and pocket anything they find. A few well aimed shots in their general direction might discourage them (NADT) or better still, a visit from the Gold Squad police and some serious confiscations will result.

    This amateur metal detecting mob is becoming an increasing and vexatious problem for legitimate miners and explorers.

  94. JC

    John Constantine
    #2735551, posted on June 12, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    There is a big demand for protein, but we are now learning how to create vast bulks of it at lower profit margins.

    Sure, I think that’s all true, but I also believe there is a very steady segmentation going on in the world with the relatively wealthier demanding higher quality products that have an artisan aspect to them. Australian food products sell at a premium in places like China, because they know there’s a small likelihood the food is going to kill them. 🙂

    Look, Farming is a commodity business and in that line, without much product segmentation, the low cost producer is the king of the heap.

  95. P

    Mothballs! I hate the smell of mothballs.

    Nasty and cruel.

    I accept you make the rules here. What you say goes. So be it.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people.
    IIRC, they brought a heap of kiwi scabs over here 35 years ago, to drive down rates for Australian shearers, a mongrel of a thing to do.

    Stick to revealing the depths of your ignorance about matters agricultural, will you? The issue was about “wide combs” which New Zealand shearers had used for years, and which the Australian shearers union was resisting with all their might.

  97. John Constantine

    It has been quite a while since I saw actual financials for a corporate grain growing operation, they no longer share.

    The compliance regulatory burden for the brave new world of anti-bioterrorism biosecurity will push many old timers outin the next 5 or 10 years, the worksafe burden that stops oldies hiring workers, the scene is set for a clearance like the highlands of Scotland saw.

    Corporates with offices staffed with full time compliance staff will be the big winners.

    Just saying that even at twenty bucks a kilo, land that can run a sheep an acre [ cutting a hundred bucks a head] selling for two thousand dollars isn’t going to work. even if the chicoms don’t pull wool back in price and even if the greens don’t ban live export and even if the kiwi shearers don’t all go home and even if the bioterrorists don’t smuggle in an arse full of Ovine Itchy Bottom scabs to spread.

  98. JC

    Pedro

    Legitimate prospecting, exploration or mining leaseholders have to jump through many .gov hoops to establish the right to dig up gold (or any other mineral).

    Yep and maybe they shouldn’t.

    If you want to go detecting, go to the Mines Department, get your Miners Right, find out what land is already under claim and go find your own elsewhere.

    Oh please. It’s this officious attitude that’s killing this place a bit at a time. They are harmless old geezers.

    These thieving tourists seem to think they can pull up anywhere in their caravan, get out the detector and pocket anything they find.

    Let me get this right, they’re thieving because they’re passing their time away by focusing a metal detector on the ground, waiting for a ping and then dig a small hole? Is that right?

    A few well aimed shots in their general direction might discourage them (NADT) or better still, a visit from the Gold Squad police and some serious confiscations will result.

    Exactly my point.

    This amateur metal detecting mob is becoming an increasing and vexatious problem for legitimate miners and explorers.

    They are not. You’re just too highly wound up like a large number of our compatriots wanting to ban everything. The ban syndrome has infected you too. Get it seen to.

  99. nemkat

    Stick to revealing the depths of your ignorance about matters agricultural, will you? The issue was about “wide combs” which New Zealand shearers had used for years, and which the Australian shearers union was resisting with all their might.
    No such thing as ”the Australian shearers union”, never has been.
    Try talking about facts, rather than your fantasies, if you can.

  100. Armadillo

    I’ve noticed a few signs lately in the New England area (particularly going through Uralla) that point to “Tourist Prospecting Area”. It’s obviously an issue (as noted above). I’m assuming it’s on land owned by the State (or local council) and they are promoting these areas for tourists.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just saying that even at twenty bucks a kilo, land that can run a sheep an acre [ cutting a hundred bucks a head] selling for two thousand dollars isn’t going to work. even if the chicoms don’t pull wool back in price and even if the greens don’t ban live export and even if the kiwi shearers don’t all go home and even if the bioterrorists don’t smuggle in an arse full of Ovine Itchy Bottom scabs to spread.

    Not sorry I’m retired, not with the fucking Greenies honking on about “You need a social license to farm” and ” we see ourselves as your partners in setting ethical standards in your farming enterprise.’

  102. Snoopy

    Anyone got an elastrator for Nemkat?

  103. John Constantine

    We once had ASW Australian standard white wheat as a premium brand.

    once the wheat board was destroyed, the pirate exporters blended utter crap together in export cargoes and destroyed the reputation of Australian wheat to the point that only container by container can any grain sell well, bulk shipments are assumed to be put together with low grade crap at the bottom and only a sprinkle of good stuff on top.

    Australian malting grade barley used to sell at a premium, but criminals took over exporting it and blended it so badly that now all barley is feed price.

    Milling oats used to be a premium product, but once again criminals run low grade blends and substitute it for the real thing.

    Australia is simply too corrupt to be able to supply honest high quality grain.

  104. Baldrick

    No such thing as ”the Australian shearers union”, never has been.

    Oh dumbkat, you’ve done it again!
    The Australian Shearers Union.

  105. Pedro the Ignorant

    They are not. You’re just too highly wound up like a large number of our compatriots wanting to ban everything. The ban syndrome has infected you too.

    Bullshit. I lodge my paperwork, pay my fees, transport my equipment, peg my claim, set up my operation and some bozo can just walk in and help themselves to whatever is in the ground while I am not looking?

    FMD, they are thieves. Just because they may be know nothing old geezers doesn’t change the fact they are robbing me in my legitimate business.

  106. JC

    Pedro

    You should only be lodging minimum paperwork or none at all. They aren’t digging up a typical BHP open cut, FFS. Leave them alone and get on with your life.Stop worrying about what other people are doing an trying to stop them having fun.

  107. Leo G

    No such thing as ”the Australian shearers union”, never has been.

    The Australian Shearers’ Union begat the Amalgamated Shearers’ Union of Australasia which begat the Australian Workers’ Union.

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Terrified South Korean leaders watch idiot Trump doom them to death:

    https://twitter.com/elisewho/status/1006358988840026112?s=20

  109. Oh come on

    No septuagenarian whinges about a “pile on” or says “nah”. It’s totally incongruous with the folksy oldey-timey reminiscing bullshit. Fail.

    Give the devil his due, though – the sock has got a bit better at differentiating its brand. But the fact is that its interpersonal skills don’t extend beyond dungeon talk, and that limits its ability to spawn unidentifiable socks.

  110. OneWorldGovernment

    Does Bill shortern, or his staff, post on here?

  111. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    once the wheat board was destroyed

    Thanks very much, Kevin Rudd, who stood in the middle of a wheat paddock, in Western Australia, dressed in his brand new R.M. Williams gear, and assured the Western Australian growers that the future of Wheat Board was safe. He then turned around, and did the American wheat industries dirty work for them.

  112. Oh come on

    Oh dumbkat, you’ve done it again!
    The Australian Shearers Union.

    It couldn’t find it in Wikipedia, so it never existed. We aren’t dealing with anyone whose knowledge extends beyond an autistic fascination of the facilities of cruiseliners.

  113. JC

    Hypothetical question

    Say you own a large trek of land and find there are minerals . What’s to stop you selling the ore and avoiding the royalty? Are there royalty police in existence? If not minerals, how about oil say?

  114. OneWorldGovernment

    John Constantine
    #2735568, posted on June 12, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    We once had ASW Australian standard white wheat as a premium brand.

    once the wheat board was destroyed, the pirate exporters blended utter crap

    Did someone mention Honest John Elliot!

  115. JC

    We once had ASW Australian standard white wheat as a premium brand.

    Doesn’t that create room for honest traders who can then sell at a premium.

  116. Armadillo

    Just pulling up on the side of the road and walking onto someone’s place with a metal detector is a bit fucking rude for starters (wether owned or leased by whomever has the property rights). It’s like someone rummaging through your backyard.

    Two other examples. Rivers belong to the public, but cutting fence lines and assorted shit to get there is frowned upon. So is pulling up in a car, jumping the fence and collecting all those delicious blackberries without asking. You’re welcome to them. Hundreds of bushes to choose from. That’s why they were poisoned only a few days previously.

  117. nemkat

    Everyone needs a hobby, OCO, Grandma harassment must be the high point of your online career.

  118. Pedro the Ignorant

    JC, if somebody stuck their hand in your pocket and stole your wallet you might get a little upset.

    You worked a legitimate job for that money, the thief had no right to help himself.

    What is different from somebody coming onto my lease and helping themselves to whatever the can find?

  119. Oh come on

    Do not challenge it to a game of shuffleboard. You will lose.

  120. JC

    Just pulling up on the side of the road and walking onto someone’s place with a metal detector is a bit fucking rude for starters (wether owned or leased by whomever has the property rights). It’s like someone rummaging through your backyard.

    No, the discussion was about public land. If it’s leased public land, it has that specific purpose – which is grazing and I think amateurs walking around with a stupid metal detector is okay.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Australian Shearers’ Union begat the Amalgamated Shearers’ Union of Australasia which begat the Australian Workers’ Union.

    A copy of the award rates and conditions, kept in the corner of the shed, used to keep pushy union officials in their place…

  122. nemkat

    The Australian Shearers Union.

    It couldn’t find it in Wikipedia, so it never existed
    Says poor old Oco, who just spent half an hour desperately searching for a Union that went broke in 1886.

  123. John Constantine

    Australia being Australia.

    Let people tick along with gold prospecting, and someone figures out that it is easier and quicker and more profitable to detect areas without tangles of scrub and all the bush in the way.

    Drop a match in the park in summer, then show up after the bushfire to prospect over the ashes.

    Burning thousands of acres, tying up convoys of volunteer and paid firefighters and calling out highly expensive air support firebombers so somebody can scrape a few hundred bucks of gold from the ruins.

    Australia, you are standing in it, Comrade.

  124. Oh come on

    A copy of the award rates and conditions, kept in the corner of the shed, used to keep pushy union officials in their place…

    That didn’t happen, did it.

  125. jupes

    Riccardo Bosi wrote a very disappointing article in the West Australian today.

  126. JC

    JC, if somebody stuck their hand in your pocket and stole your wallet you might get a little upset.

    Public land and my wallet is not a good analogy.

    What is different from somebody coming onto my lease and helping themselves to whatever the can find?

    Well what sort of lease is it? Is it a mining or grazing lease as the two things would lead to different conclusions. If you have a grazing lease, then you are also in the same boat at the amateur. as the agreement doesn’t specify you can undertake a mining operation on the land.

    Explain your “thieving” concept.

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    This needs highlighting again.

    Digital Minister Michael Keenan flags plan for multibillion-dollar ID plan

    https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/digital-minister-michael-keenan-flags-plan-for-multibillion-dollar-id-plan-ng-b88862627z

  128. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A copy of the award rates and conditions, kept in the corner of the shed, used to keep pushy union officials in their place…

    That didn’t happen, did it.

    It did actually, what’s your point?

  129. Oh come on

    “Pushy union rep[s]” know the award rates and conditions inside out. You don’t need a copy of these to show them. Their job is to find and/or manufacture instances where you aren’t complying.

  130. nemkat

    Drop a match in the park in summer, then show up after the bushfire to prospect over the ashes.

    Burning thousands of acres, tying up convoys of volunteer and paid firefighters and calling out highly expensive air support firebombers so somebody can scrape a few hundred bucks of gold from the ruins.

    Australia, you are standing in it, Comrade.

    Have you ever had a whinge here about Greenie Councils stopping cockies from burning off?
    I think you may have.

  131. John Constantine

    Honest traders can only guarantee small individual shipping containers, the market for wheat exports in these has massively expanded, but otherwise bulk shipments are assumed by overseas buyers to be all the same as Pakistani wheat and priced as low grade bulk commodity.

    Profitless boom.

    https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/agribusiness/cropping/australian-bureau-of-statistics-figures-show-wheat-volume-shipped-in-containers-remains-strong/news-story/cf2b9774e6b78d837ec0a469ef1baf25

  132. Oh come on

    My point is you’re talking out your arse. Anyone who has dealt with a chippy union spiv knows that showing them some paperwork isn’t going to do jack.

  133. Pedro the Ignorant

    Jeez, JC, stick to forex trading or whatever you do for a crust.

    Pastoral leases over Crown land are issued for farming. There are no mineral rights attached to a pastoral lease unless the pastoral lease holder also takes out a particular class of mining lease.

    These mining leases require a number of conditions to be met, including fees to be paid, a set amount of money to be spent on conduction mining/exploration/prospecting operations (not farming/grazing), boundaries pegged and recorded, and returns submitted annually.

    Once a mining lease is granted, nobody except the leaseholder may remove any mineral from that lease.

    Some geezer wandering in and helping himself is stealing from the legal leaseholder.

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Riccardo Bosi wrote a very disappointing article in the West Australian today.

    Jupes, if you have a link, I’d be obliged, my copy of today’s “West Australian” is currently lining the cats litter tray.

  135. Oh come on

    Imagine the following exchange –

    Chippy union spiv: your pay and conditions aren’t up to scratch! We’re going to take industrial action!

    Zulu: well look here, I have a copy of the award rates and conditions. Behold this piece of paper!

    Not-so-chippy union spiv: oh, right. My mistake. Sorry to have bothered you. As you were.

    This. Never. Happens.

  136. Armadillo

    No, the discussion was about public land. If it’s leased public land, it has that specific purpose – which is grazing and I think amateurs walking around with a stupid metal detector is okay.

    So if I lease a public building (say Melbourne Town Hall for a wedding), it’s for that purpose. No worries if the amateur homeless want to come in and sleep under the tables for the night, all cool. I only leased it for a specific use. They had other ideas. Got it.

  137. Death Giraffe

    A pastoral lease is a title issued for the lease of an area of Crown land to use for the limited purpose of grazing of stock and associated activities. It is a limited property right and does not provide the leaseholder with all the rights that attach to freehold land. Specific conditions are often attached to pastoral leases, including a time period and the type of activity that may be permitted.

    The primary responsibility for the management of pastoral leases falls on the relevant State or Territory Government, with those in northern Australia having specific legislation for the administration of the lease. The terms and conditions of pastoral leasehold differ significantly across the three jurisdictions within northern Australia.

  138. Death Giraffe

    Pastoral leases cover approximately 44% of Australia’s mainland (338 million hectares)

  139. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Oh come on
    #2735610, posted on June 12, 2018 at 11:20 pm

    My point is you’re talking out your arse. Anyone who has dealt with a chippy union spiv knows that showing them some paperwork isn’t going to do jack.

    I’m looking at finishing shearing. Some corksoaker from the union, turns up in the middle of the first run, wanting to “address his members.” I produce the relevant award, and tell him he, he’s well within his rights, to ” address his members” during morning smoke – oh, or come back at lunch. Oh, and that was the advice of my local Farmers Federation.

  140. JC

    Jeez, JC, stick to forex trading or whatever you do for a crust.

    Sure thing. I don’t think I ever said I was thinking of taking a lease. You sound confused.

    Pastoral leases over Crown land are issued for farming.

    Yep, just as I said, how these leases were likely to be conditioned.

    There are no mineral rights attached to a pastoral lease unless the pastoral lease holder also takes out a particular class of mining lease.

    Yep, so how are the amateurs stealing, when if you (holding a grazing lease) took a nugget from the ground, would put you in exactly the same position as the amateurs? In fact your position would be worse because you signed an agreement stating that your would only be using the land for grazing while they haven’t signed anything.

    These mining leases require a number of conditions to be met, including fees to be paid, a set amount of money to be spent on conduction mining/exploration/prospecting operations (not farming/grazing), boundaries pegged and recorded, and returns submitted annually.

    Dude, you’re really over egging this. We’re talking about old geezers slowly walking around with a metal detector. The country is not going to run out of gold because of them.

    Once a mining lease is granted, nobody except the leaseholder may remove any mineral from that lease.

    And?

    Some geezer wandering in and helping himself is stealing from the legal leaseholder.

    That’s very Germanic of you. Would you jail them, gas them? What do you think is the suitable penalty for this massive infraction?

  141. Armadillo

    On second thoughts, lots of small holes potted across the Australian landscape would be the perfect foil for galloping Death Girrafes [shudder]

    : )

  142. Pedro the Ignorant

    Mineral rights to freehold land are different and much more restrictive to pastoral lease areas.

    Rather than post great screeds of legislation, anyone interested can read the WA Mines Dept summary here:
    Private Land Provisions- Mineral Rights

  143. Armadillo

    Death Giraffe, why have you got a gravitar that looks like a weasel?

    Ohhh….wait.

  144. JC

    So if I lease a public building (say Melbourne Town Hall for a wedding), it’s for that purpose. No worries if the amateur homeless want to come in and sleep under the tables for the night, all cool. I only leased it for a specific use. They had other ideas. Got it.

    That’s just taking it to the silliest extreme. We’re talking about a continent the fucking size of the US with 24 million people. There’s plenty of room to allow people to just do their thing without being c..tish about it.

  145. Pedro the Ignorant

    What do you think is the suitable penalty for this massive infraction?

    Well, there is a century old tradition of shooting claim jumpers dead and tossing the bodies down a disused mine shaft, but that may be a little harsh for some dopey old tourist ratting a tenement.

    Prosecution for theft and confiscation of their gold detecting equipment would be fair and just.

  146. Makka

    That’s very Germanic of you. Would you jail them, gas them? What do you think is the suitable penalty for this massive infraction?

    Whatever way you cut it’s attempted theft. What would you do if someone set out to steal your legitimate property? Let’s say you left your phone on the front seat of your beamer and an old geezer decided to help himself to it. Would you let the old bugger get away with it?

  147. Death Giraffe

    Above posts from some gomerment website.
    No link cant be fucked.

  148. jupes

    Link please, jupes

    Here you go.

    Basically he was blaming the Top Brass for the SAS scandal which is fair enough, but in doing so he threw the reputation of the SAS under the bus by saying the troopers were sub standard and had been operating beyond their authority. He also was happy for the investigations to go ahead, when these days the investigation is the punishment.

    It would have been more helpful if had pointed out the investigation was a witch-hunt initiated by the top brass hiring a feminist to write a report on SAS soldiers. He could have pointed out what he had done so on Outsiders i.e. that he wouldn’t trust her to advise him what feed his dog and that if you ask a feminist to write a report on real soldiers, she is obviously not going to paint a pretty picture. Her report led to the top brass commissioning another investigation, this time by the Inspector General of Defence which is intended to lead to prosecutions. In other words it is a fucking stitch-up.

    He could also have pointed out that previous investigations have taken years and cost millions before there being found no case to answer. A complete waste of time and money.

  149. JC

    Makka

    It’s public land on which there’s grazing. Old folk walking around with metal detectors looking for the occasional gold nugget isn’t stealing from anyone. Don’t be some morphed version of Bill the Butcher and an SS clown.

  150. Oh come on

    S

    ome corksoaker from the union, turns up in the middle of the first run, wanting to “address his members.

    You would have had union reps amongst your workers who could have done that.

  151. Death Giraffe

    JC is talking fossicking on pastoral leases.
    Don’t conflate with fossicking on mineral leases.

  152. Armadillo

    Big country backyards and there is plenty to share about. Inner city backyard, how dare you.

    You would taser the silly old bastards in a heartbeat.

  153. JC

    Where do you idiots get the idea that these old folk are stealing. Who are they stealing from? The government? Don’t make me fucking laugh until my sides ache.

    If I went out the street and found a gold nugget embedded in the lawn, would I be stealing if I kept and sold it as ore?

    What you idiots are suggesting, is that yes, I’m stealing asI should hand it over to the local council.

    You’re both fucking nuts.

    As I said, so Germanic.

  154. Makka

    JC,

    No, the discussion you are responding to and I’m referring to is about mining leases;

    Pedro:Once a mining lease is granted, nobody except the leaseholder may remove any mineral from that lease.

    JC:And?

    Pedro:Some geezer wandering in and helping himself is stealing from the legal leaseholder.

    JC:That’s very Germanic of you. Would you jail them, gas them? What do you think is the suitable penalty for this massive infraction?

    Answer the question dickhead. You are ok with some old geezer stealing your phone out of your beamer? Or is it more likely you don’t have a fking clue what you’re talking about? Again.

  155. JC

    JC is talking fossicking on pastoral leases.
    Don’t conflate with fossicking on mineral leases.

    ‘sactly

  156. JC

    No, the discussion you are responding to and I’m referring to is about mining leases;

    Umm no.

  157. Makka

    Who are they stealing from?

    The legal leaseholder. It’s not so complicated.

  158. JC

    Any more daft crap from you, Makkaroni and I’ll pay a Maasai warrior to clip you over the ears for talking stupid shit.

  159. Makka

    Umm no.

    Lol, you are in quotes doofus.

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You would have had union reps amongst your workers who could have done that.

    Christ All Fucking Mighty. NONE of the union members on the team had any problem with the shed, the facilities or the fact that the contractor was paid by direct bank transfer, or cheque, when the last ram went down the chute. It was only the union reps, struggling to justify their existence, that rolled up, demanding that the shed be shut down..

  161. Pedro the Ignorant

    You still need the pastoral lease holders permission to go on his land for any purpose, including prospecting.

    Right of Way across is the only exception, and it is polite to ask first anyway.

    Where the pastoral lease is overlaid with a mineral lease, only the leaseholder can legally prospect or remove any minerals.

    In the main gold producing areas of Australia, very few leases are pastoral only, most have either exploration or mining leases overlaid and are generally held by mining companies.

    Detect away to your heart’s content on pastoral only leases (after you get the leaseholders permission to go on his land). You won’t find any gold, but you can amuse yourself finding bullets, horseshoe nails and beer cans.

  162. JC

    Pedro:Once a mining lease is granted, nobody except the leaseholder may remove any mineral from that lease.

    JC:And?

    “And” meant it was irrelevant to the debate? Why the fuck is he talking about mining leases when the focus of the discussion was not about someone driving up to the Pilbara and helping themselves. It was about public lands and grazing leases to some extent. Stop wrecking this discussion even more, you yob.

  163. Oh come on

    Pastoral leaseholders make money on site access fees. The Crown owns the minerals.

  164. Makka

    I’ll pay a Maasai warrior to clip you over the ears for talking stupid shit.

    You would run a mile in your white tassled loafers the second you saw a Maasai.

  165. Armadillo

    JC’s problem is that he trusts the old folk. Never a good sign. He also trusted his wife. Look where that got him. He’s discovered she’s buying an online subscription to leftie newspapers on his credit card. Lawyer up, buddy.

  166. JC

    Don’t believe him OCO. He’s either making the entire thing up to sound important and relevant in that annoying gormless way of his or there’s more to it.
    Never believe a thing the idiot says.

  167. Oh come on

    Christ All Fucking Mighty. NONE of the union members on the team had any problem with the shed, the facilities or the fact that the contractor was paid by direct bank transfer, or cheque, when the last ram went down the chute

    So says you. You are either extremely naive or you have no understanding of how these things work. And note that I wrote union reps, not union members. There is a significant distinction between the two.

  168. Oh come on

    He’s either making the entire thing up to sound important and relevant in that annoying gormless way of his

    I think it’s this. Sad.

  169. Top Ender

    only 5% of Australian farming is via corporates

    I played my new game of Guess How Much of Australia has been Mined the other day, with some socialists.

    Got the usual responses:
    – 10%
    – 15%
    – 5%

    Nope. Less than 1% .

    Silence.

    More winning.

  170. JC

    Interview – Trump with Little George. Little George – the bloke that allows his wife to show her tits on prime time TV for fun. Nice rack too.

    But let’s not digress. Trump is seriously man-spreading… any more and his legs would be touching the ears. I think he does it to make George feel really little.

  171. Top Ender

    That box –  – was a copy and paste of the TM symbol from Microsoft Word.

    Bloody Bill Gates.

  172. Armadillo

    JC is defending the rights of old codgers to steal the wealth of legitimate landholders. I suspect wifey has been corrupted and is slowly poisioning his mind.

    mOnster has been suspiciously quiet of late. JC, check her credit card for suspiciously large Krispy Kreme purchases. Possibly about the time of her leftie media subscription payments.

  173. JC

    Answer the question dickhead. You are ok with some old geezer stealing your phone out of your beamer? Or is it more likely you don’t have a fking clue what you’re talking about? Again.

    You know, it’s really hard at times.

    This is what your car/phone analogy is stupid. Your analogy should be closer to a car rental/phone and even then it’s silly.

  174. JC

    Arma

    Stop. We were never talking about freehold land.

  175. Mark A

    Why don’t you all read the relevant conditions attached to the Miners’ Right?

    very basic in most instances’ “unreserved Crown Land, or on private land where the permission of the landowner has been granted”

    The other very important thing, ” metal detectors, hand tools, pans or simple sluices ” not even battery operated pumps.

    Oh and any holes dug has to be filled in and damage made good, almost golf rules.

    Don’t know how any old buger can compete with a shovel against a leaseholder’s heavy equipment even if they were stupid enough to wander onto a mining lease.
    It stipulates in the permit that you have to make sure where you can legally prospect.

    Some far fetched and fancy, outlandish arguments offered here.

  176. Anybody feel like some prospecting?
    JC will be cool about it if you turn up at his place & tramp all over with a metal detector.
    Bring as many people as you like, & dig where you think you’ll find something.
    He’ll consider it just harmless old folk enjoying themselves.

  177. Cpt Seahawks

    Eyebrowgate reminds me of Inspector Clouseau in the dentist scene. Apologies for not linking anything.

  178. None

    North Korea’s been running rogue for decades and it took Trump just over a year to get them to the table. What does that say?

  179. struth

    I thought it strange that we Australians seem so relaxed with flies crawling over our faces.
    Then I saw the Canadian PM totally ignore the caterpillar crawling over his.

  180. struth

    No wonder I can’t sleep.
    Good lord.

  181. struth

    And JC……
    If you give your wife time to read the newspaper this stuff will happen.
    They say a woman’s work is never done and if it is you haven’t given them enough to do.

  182. Mark A

    If interested in the history of railway guns., free download.

    Rather crude PDF compilation from early records, some go back to the earliest known use by the Confederate Army on June 29 1862 at Savage Station.

    (all pages are pictures, being PDF, so the illustrations are in a vertical plane as well, right click and rotate, have to rotate the text back though)

    I found it useful, you waste nothing to check it out.

  183. herodotus

    Thanks Tom.
    Just passing by, have to hit the road.
    But folks might like to hear about a couple of new shows about to be released.
    There’s The Geopolitical Sound of Music, starring Don, Kim and Xi. It features certain hit songs like “How Do You Solve A Problem Like Korea” and “Yalu River”.
    I’ve also heard rumours of a film in production, a sort of western set in the Mainstream Media Badlands. Working title The Wildly Inaccurate Bunch.

  184. Senile Old Guy

    Digital Minister Michael Keenan flags plan for multibillion-dollar ID plan

    This is yet another attempt to introduce an identity card, something Australians have rejected every time it has been tried.

  185. Entropy

    Pastoral lapses and mining leases overlap. Just sayin’
    There aren’t too many pastoral leases where there isn’t also a mining lease if some description over it. Gotta get those royalties.
    A better analogy for JC: a company patents a new idea and starts making money from it; then a small start up copies the idea without paying a licence. They are only small though, hardly worth the bother. Thing is, if you don’t defend your patent it is not worth anything next time a big company copies it. Same with little guys wandering over a mining lease with a detector.

  186. Farmer Gez

    Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics (ABARE) reckon that crop production will be down 4% due to drought in NSW and Queensland.
    They reckon the rest of us will make up millions of tonnes drop because we’ve had a bit of rain. This prognostication is based on early June with five months of weather to go and dry subsoils in the South East.
    You’d have to be a government economist to make such a absurd prediction. Pay should be docked if they get it wrong.

  187. Entropy

    ABARES adds in the area down and rainfall forecasts to work it out Gez. Given the time of the season it isn’t too bad at the State level. That said, the USDA uses detailed satellite imagery and modelling to produce its forecast of Australian production, and is no doubt better and more easily kept up to date.

  188. Farmer Gez

    Entropy.
    There have been big changes in acres and crop types due to the dry so far. Lots more hay acres have gone in as the sheds are empty and demand will continue. Oats looks like wheat from kilometres up.
    I’ve dealt with forecasters in other capacities for a long time. I wish they would keep their forecasts and reputations intact by waiting till early Spring before doing media releases.

  189. Farmer Gez

    Did you have to Zippy? It’s breakfast time.

  190. Cactus

    It differs by state. But generally the crown being the state govt owns the minerals. They can be extracted by either someone who holds a mining lease or by a prospector who holds a prospecting license. The prospector cant prospect on private property or a mining lease. If they find gold on a pastoral lease thats fine they have a right to it. They arent stealing from anyone.

  191. calli

    Amusing. Keith Suter repeated all of M0nty’s talking points from last night in quick succession almost verbatim.

    It’s as if there’s a memory test memo that does the rounds. Sadly, Australia has a time zone disadvantage.

  192. cohenite

    Rosenstein threatened to ‘subpoena’ GOP-led committee in ‘chilling’ clash over records, emails show

    It’s starting.

  193. cohenite

    Amusing. Keith Suter repeated all of M0nty’s talking points from last night in quick succession almost verbatim.

    Suter is interviewed on 2SM every Tuesday afternoon and regurgitates the usual elitist crap about Trump. His complaint yesterday was that Trump did not follow the customary diplomatic processes of the past; the witless interviewer did not ask the obvious namely those customary diplomatic processes had failed dismally. Suter merely says what de niro says only more politely. A typical no nothing academic commentator.

  194. Dave in Marybrook

    Thanks for the toons, Tom

  195. Senile Old Guy

    ABC telling more lies. Headline:

    Aquarius rescue ship carrying 629 migrants will take days to reach Spain through stormy seas

    The 629 are African illegal immigrants, who have no legal claim for asylum.

    Italy also received backing from Hungary’s right-wing Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who is a friend of Mr Salvini and is known for his fiercely anti-immigrant rhetoric.

    No, he is anti-illegal immigrants. Even the ABC knows this as, earlier in the piece, they have this:

    Meanwhile the only charity vessel left to patrol off the coast of Libya — a staging ground for people smugglers — said a migrant shipwreck had claimed at least 12 lives.

    The ABC knows people smuggling is illegal.

  196. The open thread has become unreadable after 8pm at night.
    What with the stoushes and the trolls, it’s easier to find a nugget in a cow paddock, than to get a decent bit of conversation.

  197. calli

    Perfect, Winston. 😀

    Remember when comedy was actually clever and funny? Good times.

  198. C.L.

    Breaking news: looks like Rod Rosenstein is going to jail.

  199. Shy Ted

    But if Tom Bollard did sexually assault you, would you notice?

  200. C.L.

    Robert Mueller: ‘My investigation is a threat to my investigation.’

    Mueller worries Russia could use court case to spy on probe.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team is worried that Russian intelligence services will use a criminal case in Washington to gather information about its investigation and U.S. intelligence-gathering methods.

    In court papers filed Tuesday, prosecutors are asking a federal judge to impose limits on the information that can be shared by attorneys in the first criminal case directly related to Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    So far, only one defendant, Concord Management and Consulting LLC, has appeared in the case, and prosecutors say they’re worried information they provide to the company’s attorneys could end up in the hands of other defendants or Russian spy agencies.

    The government “has particularized concerns about discovery in this case being disclosed to Russian intelligence services,” prosecutors write, noting that disclosure of information they plan to share with the company’s attorneys could compromise ongoing and future national security investigations.

  201. Roger

    Digital Minister Michael Keenan flags plan for multibillion-dollar ID plan

    This is yet another attempt to introduce an identity card, something Australians have rejected every time it has been tried.

    This time we won’t have a choice.

    I note the ATO will store all the information.

  202. classical_hero

    Zippy, that just shows how dangerous homosexuality is.

  203. Digital Minister Michael Keenan flags plan for multibillion-dollar ID plan

    Do we get a choice of where they insert the RFID transponder?

  204. Baldrick

    Ahahahahah …

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    Robert De Niro, a very Low IQ individual, has received to many shots to the head by real boxers in movies. I watched him last night and truly believe he may be “punch-drunk.” I guess he doesn’t realize the economy is the best it’s ever been with employment being at an all time high, and many companies pouring back into our country. Wake up Punchy!

  205. Snoopy

    Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report is to be released on Trump’s birthday, this Thursday US time.

    It hasn’t been a good week for the poo blogger.

  206. Geriatric Mayfly

    Remember when comedy was actually clever and funny? Good times.

    Dull must he be of soul who does not find endless profanities and expletives both clever and funny. Blasphemy is a always a hoot. Explicit or simulated sex, beats the subtle double entendre, the meaning of which might be wasted. A string of insults and abuse directed at the pariahs de jour is both edifying and cause for unbridled mirth.

  207. Snoopy

    It hasn’t been a good week for the poo blogger.

    And it’s about to get a whole lot worse!

    Sad.

  208. Snoopy

    Some of Trump’s foes are being exposed this week. No more hiding under Mueller’s skirts, Monty!

  209. OldOzzie

    Rita Panahi: Bill Shorten has failed abused children

    BY PANDERING to the worst of the activist class, who would have us ignore the plight of the most vulnerable children in this country, Bill Shorten has shown himself to be a man bereft of judgment and principle.

    Rather than tackling the gravest issue facing not only the indigenous community but the nation, Shorten has taken a leaf out of the book of inner-city advocates who’d rather obsess about Australia Day, treaties and flags rather than the shameful rates of child abuse and neglect as well as extraordinarily high rates of domestic violence in indigenous communities.

    Indigenous women are about 35 times more likely to be hospitalised due to domestic violence than other Australian females. Shorten’s puerile comments about “whitefellas” stealing black kids is as dangerous as it is dim-witted.

    “The last thing they need is some know-it-all whitefella to come in paternalistic,” Shorten said during a visit to the Northern Territory.

    “Too many indigenous kids are being taken away from their families. In the last 10 years, the number has doubled to about 17,000 or 18,000. When you take kids away from their connection to culture and country, to language and to family, you make the chances of their success steeper and steeper.”

    Aboriginal leader Jacinta Price was among those aghast by Shorten’s ill-considered race baiting and hypocrisy. The Alice Springs councillor, who is herself a survivor of domestic violence, said Shorten “should be utterly ashamed of himself”.

    “He has come through as the most paternalistic whitefella … He is utterly removed from any kind of dysfunctional Aboriginal culture and his children sleep safe at night in bed,” Ms Price said. “He spends two seconds hanging out in the NT with his new Akubra and he thinks he’s an expert on what’s best for neglected, abused and raped Australian children. Would he leave his children in the same circumstances as the kids being raped in remote communities?”

    Labelling the Labor leader as indulging in the “bigotry of low expectations”, Price slammed Shorten’s for being more concerned about the rights of “dysfunctional adults” than their abused or neglected children.

    Price has blamed political correctness and the “second ­stolen generation myth” for the reluctance of authorities to remove indigenous children.

    “Those who complain about the high rates of removal of Aboriginal children fail to point out why this is happening. Those of us who push for children to be removed in order to save their lives are ­fighting an uphill battle,” she wrote after the rape of a two-year-old girl in Tennant Creek in February.

    Former Labor minister in the Hawke and Keating governments Graham Richardson was also critical of Shorten, particularly after widespread coverage of a number of child rapes in the North Territory earlier this year.

    Richardson said the policies Shorten was advocating were precisely what “got us to where we are in the first place” and admitted that he had been too concerned by PC considerations. “Too many of us feared being dubbed ’racist’ or felt that our indigenous people should deal with the problem themselves. This conspiracy of silence meant that more and more children were subjected to the most vicious forms of abuse,” he wrote.

    Also incensed was indigenous leader and former national president of the Labor Party, Warren Mundine, who called his comments “mealy mouthed and pathetic”.

    “It was a total disgrace. This continuing violence and sexual abuse of kids continues along and he wants another summit,” Mundine said on Sky News Australia.

    WARREN MUNDINE: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REAL RACISM IS

    “How many summits, how many bloody reports and reviews have we had in the past 20 years and we’ve still got the same problems; it’s about time some of these leaders started waking up to themselves.”

    What Shorten called for is both irresponsible and callous, particularly given the fact that we know some child protection staff are making decision based on fears of appearing “racist” and believe culture “should be given unmoderated priority over child protection concerns”, according to a leaked 2015 internal report.

    That could help explain why the two-year-old girl, whose rape shocked the nation, was not removed despite repeated warnings. The case highlighted the plight of not just one toddler and her siblings but also the endemic issue of child abuse and neglect in the indigenous community.

    In May, the Northern Territory Children’s Commissioner’s report into the incident revealed the depths of the failure of authorities to save the girl from a terrible fate. The child has survived the attack but was left with injuries requiring surgery, a blood transfusion and she has been infected with a sexually transmitted disease.

    The girl and her four siblings were known to multiple government agencies, including Territory families and police who had 150 “recorded interactions” with the child’s parents and siblings. Child protection services had 52 reports, including concerns about sexual abuse and 13 substantiated child protection investigations. And yet she was left to be raped. Since then we have heard of cases involving a four-year-old boy and a five-year-old boy being allegedly raped in the Northern Territory.

    This should be the focus of national discussions and yet Shorten prefers to humour the lowest common denominator. To play politics with the lives of children already let down by their parents, authorities and the wider community is shameful.

  210. Shy Ted

    JooYung Roberts favourite song
    Maybe Tom thought he was a male order bride.
    But why miss an opportunity for self-promotion? Mr Roberts said he used his post to provide advice to survivors, as well as point out challenges to sexual assault victims from coming forward and reporting the crimes. He blamed the reason very few allegations had been made public in Australia on the nation’s defamation laws. The Adelaide comedian urged victims of sexual assault to seek professional help for trauma and not wait until they hit “rock bottom“. “We need real systems put in place to prevent sexual assault from happening and make the path to recovery easier for victims to undertake,” he said. “We need to change not just the way we view consent but also the way we silence victims.
    “Our defamation laws are stopping countless Australians from seeking the justice they deserve.”

    My bolding so we can all learn to play Victim Word Bingo.
    DISCLAIMER. These rights are null and void if you’re not a snowflake.

  211. OldOzzie

    A Favorable Headline

    Donald Trump, Kim Jong-un sign historic document: Lifetime of making deals pays off
    James Campbell, Comment, Herald Sun

    “ALL I can say is that they want to make a deal. That’s what I do. My whole life has been deals. I’ve done great at it. That’s what I do.” So said Donald Trump after meeting Kim Jong-un on Tuesday.

    It wasn’t just the first summit between a president of the United States and a North Korean leader. It was the summit of a lifetime of deal-making which has taught the former Manhattan property developer when to seize the moment.

    And for Kim Jong-un? If he achieves nothing else in his time as dictator, he will go down in history as the man who got the United States to treat North Korea as its equal.

    For decades, until Donald Trump’s entry to the international scene, America has refused to grant the communist hermit kingdom’s leaders the legitimacy that would come from meeting the president of the United States.

    It wasn’t just the mismatch in status — one, one of the greatest military and economic powers on earth, and the other, an economic basket case and gangster state which subsists on handouts from its Chinese benefactors across its northern border.

    The reluctance also came from the long-term belief among US policy-makers that a sit-down with the leader of the free world should remain off the table until North Korea made concessions — most recently, that it denuclearise.

    It was a very good strategy, in theory. But only in theory. In practice, it hasn’t worked.

    Not only does North Korea have nuclear weapons, it has an intercontinental ballistic missile that can reach the continental United States. The only question that divides experts is whether the missiles can yet reach the US with one of Kim’s nukes on board.

    To the frustration of successive presidents, this has been allowed to happen while China, the only country with leverage over North Korea, publicly professed opposition to its ally acquiring nuclear weapons, while blocking the international community from imposing crippling sanctions and turning a blind eye to breaches of those sanctions to which the world had agreed.

    Trump, it goes without saying, is unlike any other president we have seen before.

    Love him or hate him, you have to acknowledge he is a disrupter. Ten months ago, he went off script at a press conference, warning North Korea it had “best not make any more threats to the United States” or “they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”.

    In January, Kim was still being belittled as the “Rocket man” on the presidential Twitter account.

    Two months later, the President was junking decades of US policy by announcing that plans for a historic summit were under way.

    Then, after announcing the date of the meeting in Singapore, Trump abruptly announced a few weeks ago the whole thing was off because he didn’t like the tone of the remarks coming out of the North Korean regime.

    But miraculously, after conciliatory words from the North Korean side, it all was back on again. It was no coincidence that this flurry of diplomatic activity has coincided with Kim twice meeting China’s Xi Jinping.

    To Trump, after meeting Kim on Tuesday, the rocket man had become a “a very talented man” who “loves his country very much”.

    As we learned later from his interview with president Bill Clinton’s old press secretary, George Stephanopolous, while this was the first time the two men had met, it wasn’t the first time they had spoken — an example of his administration managing to keep a secret, which must almost count as being as big a miracle as the meeting itself, and the deal in which Kim affirmed his “unwavering commitment to complete denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula.”

    But not only would the deal rid the region of nuclear weapons. As with all good deals you see on TV infomercials, there was more!

    The North Koreans were already destroying a major missile engine testing site. “That’s not in your signed document,” Trump glowed. “We agreed to that after the agreement was signed.”

    As to whether Kim can be trusted, Trump went back to his history: “I know when somebody wants to deal and I know when somebody doesn’t.

    “A lot of politicians don’t. That’s not their thing, but it is my thing … I just feel very strongly — my instinct, my ability or talent — they want to make a deal.”

    But if Kim cheats?

    “I may stand before you in six months and say, ‘Hey, I was wrong.’ I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that, but I’ll find some kind of excuse.

  212. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    DEFENCE
    Afghans sought in Defence inquiry

    Rory Callinan
    The Australian
    12:00AM June 13, 2018

    Two interpreters who worked alongside Australian special ­forces in Afghanistan are being sought for interview by investi­gators probing allegations that soldiers may have breached the laws of armed conflict during ­operations in the country.

    The Afghan men and their families are believed to have been helped to migrate to Australia in recognition of their interpreting service and for their own safety following the withdrawal of Australian troops from Afghanistan.

    The Assistant Inspector-­General of the Defence Force, reservist Major General Paul Brereton, has been running an inquiry in private into potential breaches and is empowered to order civilians and defence personnel to provide information.

    Last month, investigators working for General Brereton, a NSW Supreme Court judge, contacted Australia’s Afghan community seeking two interpreters who worked with special forces in Afghanistan, The Australian has confirmed.

    It is understood investigators hoped the Afghan men could give unbiased witness accounts of operations where Afghans were killed or injured in what some ­allege were breaches of the laws of armed conflict. There is no suggestion the men were involved in such breaches.

    Afghan community sources said the investigators had asked for contacts for the men, one thought to be living in NSW and the other in Perth.

    From the Oz.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    Baldrick at 8:55.

    Wake up punchy!
    Gold!

  214. Snoopy

    I disagree with Warren Mundine on a number of issues but it’s obvious he’s a principled, thoughtful man. No wonder he despises Shorten.

  215. Fat Tony

    classical_hero
    #2735762, posted on June 13, 2018 at 8:38 am
    Zippy, that just shows how dangerous homosexuality is.

    Imagine what it does to ya bum……

  216. Diogenes

    This time we won’t have a choice.

    I note the ATO will store all the information.

    Just emailed him.

    “Are you insane ? I cannot believe a liberal minister proposing this bullshit !

    I don’t care care how secure the ATO , DHS, your arse are, given that our devices are compromised all the time by apps like facebook , the amount of data that gets “phoned home” to Apple, Google & Microsoft, and the lack of security updates (good luck getting a security update on any Android device more than 6 months old !) , what will happen when your official super duper id is compromised ?

    factio liberalii delenda est ! (NADT)”

  217. stackja

    Fat Tony
    #2735787, posted on June 13, 2018 at 9:20 am
    classical_hero
    #2735762, posted on June 13, 2018 at 8:38 am
    Zippy, that just shows how dangerous homosexuality is.

    Imagine what it does to ya bum……

    And the diseases.

  218. Snoopy

    I watched some CGTN’s (China Television’s) coverage of the Singapore summit. It was straightforward and adult. The analysis by ‘experts’ was insightful and cautiously optimistic. What a contrast with TheirABC.

  219. JC

    This is how white high school student males born after 2000 would have voted in the 2016 election. This how the electoral map would look.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-guBNSAbiTdY/WYp4zMkrr-I/AAAAAAAAE0E/N1EPf3f9zj4hvouwzrWTlVHihSQ1GtdFgCLcBGAs/s1600/genzwhiteboys.png

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